40k-lore-chat

[opaque coyote]

Four men dressed up in fursuits pull out guns

"THIS IS A ROBBERY"

One immediately pulls out a drill

It also immediately breaks as soon as it starts

[crystal forum]

oh my fucking god i know ganii

craziest thing i've ever seen coming back to this channel

[rose thorn]

I always forget that deer are fucking everywhere

I wonder why deer weren’t in the Chinese Zodiac Calander

Like, come on, horse and sheep?

[opaque coyote]

Idk why the fuck are snakes there

Horses are used for transport and well known

And sheep have wool, meat, and milk

While deer just have meat and their fur

[rose thorn]

Mfs when rats provide meat, fur, and milk

https://tenor.com/view/como-ordenando-ratas-milking-los-simpsons-leche-de-rata-gif-10119846

Also I think China has some of the most venomous snakes in the world

I have no proof

But I know they also have alot of spitting snakes

[celest willow]

huh I just looked into trench crusade and damn the lore there is hella vauge

most answers are just idk lol

[cyan merlin]

Ideally it’ll stay that way

Trench crusade keeps things a lot more mystic

[celest willow]

I really like it for that tbh

[cyan merlin]

The demons are freakier when less is explained

[celest willow]

it hits that note of grim dark without trying to be excessive

[cyan merlin]

Being so grimdark it becomes silly seems to be called grimderp

Which I think warhammer did
Everything sucks
Nothing ever gets better
Even when the chance to make things better comes up someone fucks it up because grimdark

[celest willow]

you do need a flutter of good for grimdark

if you have these mild moments it gives you a sense of scale to the horrors

instead of haha we all suffer cause yes

[cyan merlin]

The potential for something good to happen is what makes Grimdark grimdark

What makes it really tragic

[opaque coyote]

Tbf I think 40k is supposed to be somewhat stupid.

Like it started off as a satire ffs

The main Ork villain is named after Margaret Thatcher

There's literally cannons the size of cities

[celest willow]

true but when it tries to be serious it can become a bit effiy

you can be a satire and have good writing

[opaque coyote]

True

The books generally try to walk away from that in general

Like the setting itself is Grimdark but the individual stories are a mix

Like the Cain series

[arctic talon]

You can have good things happen in 40K

[celest willow]

or anything with the orks

[arctic talon]

They just never will affect anything long term

Is more so the thing

Good things that happen are in spite of the universe

The universe is still going to shit

[opaque coyote]

The governmental body is so big that only the body itself can destroy itself

[arctic talon]

That will never change

[opaque coyote]

At best

And this is

Very rare

Your planet joins the T'au empire or something

Pray that the Imperium doesn't invade again

[arctic talon]

Which is fine, the point is everything is going to shit.

Things can get better on a small scale but never a large one

Trench crusade just like 40K is stuck in stasis

It’s also in a Cold War period which is how they justify the fact it’s a skirmish game

[celest willow]

then your gonna die and get molested by daemons cause funny

[opaque coyote]

But yeah a good chunk of the silliness is intentional.

Like the lore blurb about Kriegers yelling for a city to surrender.

They refuse. They bombard it.

[arctic talon]

Blame the crons

lol

[opaque coyote]

They surrendered

...

They continued bombing it until there was nothing left but dust basically

[arctic talon]

Trench crusade is a universe with very little hope as well lol

To arguably no hope

[celest willow]

to be fair the crusaders atleast get a vauge but still a chance nonetheless of eternal paradise

[arctic talon]

The forces of Hell have fought anyone opposing them to a stand still, to the point where both sides are horribly exhausted and unwilling to fight

[celest willow]

a very vague but in there one

[arctic talon]

The crusaders are the evil ones

Who opened a portal to fucking hell

lol

[opaque coyote]

Tbf arguably no hope is better than 40k where there is

Outright zero hope

[arctic talon]

The crusaders literally are the entire reason why it’s shit

[celest willow]

I mean the non demon worshiping ones

am still new to it's lore

[arctic talon]

So the ones who are damned to an eternity of suffering and the church says will never reach heaven

Because they’re crusaders

And responsible for opening the portal to hell

[celest willow]

ok yk what I meant tho

[arctic talon]

All the crusaders are evil/forever repenting

[arctic talon]

I mean no?

[opaque coyote]

I think clip means the church itself

[arctic talon]

If you mean the forces who fight for God/against Hell

We don’t even know if you go to heaven when you die

Explicitly

[celest willow]

yeh

[arctic talon]

I mean we know God and Angels are real

[celest willow]

ik but it still a very spark drop of hope

[arctic talon]

And so are Demons and Hell

But all known lore points to humans going to hell when they die, ceasing to exist or become stuck in undeath

So like

[celest willow]

tbh the lore tends to avoid mentioning heaven

[opaque coyote]

I find it extremely funny that God is basically just

Eating chips while watching basically

Like IK he does help

But like

C'mon man send some angels

[arctic talon]

Not allowed

Hell isn’t sending demons

[opaque coyote]

Ah

[arctic talon]

Therefore god won’t send angels

[celest willow]

the angels cant really help

[arctic talon]

The last time God tried to directly intervene

[opaque coyote]

So basically it's a proxy war

[arctic talon]

They weaponized his words

[opaque coyote]

Great

[arctic talon]

And used it as a weapon

As in the church

[opaque coyote]

The grenades

[arctic talon]

Reversing gods speech and loading it into shells

[celest willow]

the angels are also basically nukes

[arctic talon]

Works as very good artillery

As far as we know demons and angels in reality

[opaque coyote]

Goes hard

[arctic talon]

Would probably destroy it

lol

[opaque coyote]

So basically

It's a proxy war

[arctic talon]

Though the church of the metamorphosis stuff is weird

[opaque coyote]

And Earth is Vietnam

[arctic talon]

Because they’re meant to be playable at some point

But we don’t know any like

Non fallen angel members

[opaque coyote]

Eldritch entities

[arctic talon]

For the church of metamorphosis

[opaque coyote]

Let's goo

[arctic talon]

Well that’s what they’re worshiping

It’s something the demons bricked up

And left in the ass end of hell

[opaque coyote]

Honestly that does sound interesting.

[arctic talon]

And Lucifer and the fallen angels started worshiping it and changing

[opaque coyote]

I always like a 3rd party into the mix

[opaque coyote]

Oh no

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikitide.net/trenchcrusadewikiwiki/thumb/6/68/Mike-franchina-sister-of-the-holy-larvae.png/300px-Mike-franchina-sister-of-the-holy-larvae.png

Say hello

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/trench-crusade-english/images/f/f5/Mike-franchina-metamorphosis-monk.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1200?cb=20250509122614

Anyways point being this is our only art of angels so far

But they’re heavily mutated lol

[celest willow]

Imma name it james

[arctic talon]

https://trenchcrusadewiki.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Mike-franchina-doorway-chrysalid-pupa.png

[celest willow]

they dont say be not afraid for nothing lol

[opaque coyote]

Y'know this is horrifying

But I wonder how this MF even works.

Like his stomach is just the outline of his intestines??

If they eat something and swallow

Can you like

[opaque coyote]

See it digest

[arctic talon]

This is referred to as a seraphim

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

A “pupating” one

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

That is a sick design

I love it

[arctic talon]

Anyways I’m not sure how they’ll be playable on the tabletop

Because we’ve seen 0 human members so far

Or have had any mentions of humans in it

[celest willow]

maybe they take the WH40k daemon route where they are so eldritch humans struggle to perceive there actual form

[opaque coyote]

Maybe similar to Custodes?

High point cost, low numbers

[arctic talon]

Nvm we have 1 art

Of a human member

[celest willow]

also smash

[arctic talon]

Gona spoiler it because their head is cut open

And you can see their brains

lol

Anyways point being they’re likely going to explain more about demons and angels at some point

Because we already have a good bit

Just not a ton

Anyways trench crusade is pretty terribly hopeless

If there was lore that you can actually go to heaven

Then yeah I’d say It’s more hopeful

But there isn’t, we only know of 3 outcomes when you die. You dissipate into nothingness, you’re damned to hell or you become an undying ghost that hates life

Also I guess the god worshiping vampires but that depends on if you count vampires as alive or dead

lol

[celest willow]

id say this is a more opinionated take

[arctic talon]

I guess?

[celest willow]

but between 40k and trench crusade id say the average fella from TC gets it better

[arctic talon]

I’m not saying God isn’t benevolent and not trying to help in his own way

But like, we have more lore indicating you don’t go to heaven then lore indicating you do

[celest willow]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Prolly because you’re a farmer or factory worker

But in a more feudal way

Being an actual soldier is about as shitty as it is in both settings

Though rn in trench crusade it’s way better

Because it’s a Cold War

And everyone is exhausted from fighting

So if you’re fighting it’s not in horrific mass trench warfare(ironically)

[celest willow]

also most of the worshippers are technically parts of separate sects and sometimes religon so they do often friendly fire when thereis nobody to fight

[arctic talon]

Also if we take gameplay at face value at least you’ll die fast. The setting is so lethal some dude with a fucking shiv can easily murder you in power armor

[celest willow]

Britain😔

[arctic talon]

Yeah the iron sultanate will take potshots at soldiers from New Antioch because they’re mad about the whole Hell thing still

Ignore the fact the random New Antioch soldier they brained probably has nothing to do with it

[celest willow]

also the christian sects sometimes have habits of forcefully indoctrinating each other

[arctic talon]

Also as of the current era in trench crusade warbands fight each other over resources or glory as well

So there’s that part

The forces of hell are always infighting but those who fight against hell are starting to murder each other because there’s the common enemy isn’t as prevalent lol

Anyways trench crusade the tabletop wargame is absurdly lethal lol

[celest willow]

lowkey wana get into it

[arctic talon]

If the in universe combat is remotely as lethal then

lol

Lmao

[celest willow]

I love how models look

[arctic talon]

I would try it out

The rules are free

Imo it’s

not the best

It’s very skewed in favor of cheaper things rn

Due to the blood token system

[celest willow]

eh doubt considering how space marines work on the table top vs the books vs in animations vs when named

power scaling prop gets goofy

[arctic talon]

Nah mostly because what we’ve seen of in universe combat

Is also absurdly lethal

The only exceptions being how easily monsters go down on the tabletop

Which is very much a sake of gameplay

But watching a Shrine Anchorite get one shot by some random black grail zombie with a wooden club is funny as shit

[opaque coyote]

"YOU WORSHIP GOD THIS WAY!"

"OH SHUT UP, YOUR FACTION LITERALLY OPENED THE GATES OF HELL"

"WE AREN'T AFFILIATE-"

"I wonder if the other side has to deal with similar things..."

The "other side":

"YOU SKIN BABIES THIS WAY!"

"NO YOU IDIOT! YOU HAVE TO BOIL IT FIRST!"

[celest willow]

sister Agnes' skirt has 3 colors instead of 2

must be heretical

[arctic talon]

“YOU DON’T JUST EAT THEM?”

Anyways fighting in trench crusade sucks

Power armor more so prolongs your suffering then adds protection lol

[opaque coyote]

...so

[arctic talon]

It’ll usually survive even if you die though

[opaque coyote]

like armor now

[arctic talon]

Yeah basically

lol

[opaque coyote]

how does power armor work in trench crusade

[arctic talon]

A grenade that turns you to mush inside the armor might only ding it up

[opaque coyote]

especially the uh

power part

[arctic talon]

You need to take drugs to use it properly, it’s big and loud, it’s heavy, but it’s very protective

[opaque coyote]

big guy is pa

i assume

[arctic talon]

It’s powered by Idfk

We don’t have lore on it

[opaque coyote]

sad

let's just say uhhh

what's something fitting

[celest willow]

the big one gives off timmy vibes while the small one is a dad taking his kid to work

[arctic talon]

They’re most valuable for the big guns they carry and catching small arms fire

[opaque coyote]

The souls of baptised babies

that will work

[arctic talon]

Too evil

[opaque coyote]

hm

unbaptized babies

[arctic talon]

It’s new Antioch

Not the trench pilgrims

New Antioch are pretty sane highly religious people

[opaque coyote]

hmmmm

then just pious people who died

[arctic talon]

Idfk

[opaque coyote]

...

honestly I have met a couple

so

eh

[arctic talon]

Anyways point being, they take an orphan

Given them special holy drugs

And train them to use the power armor

[opaque coyote]

So basically space marines

[arctic talon]

More like halo Spartans but yeah

[opaque coyote]

oh yeah probably should've thought of that first

[arctic talon]

Since they’re still normal humans

Just

Juiced up

Anyways they can catch rounds for yeoman or shock troopers

But anti armor stuff makes a mess of them

Or explosives

Or magic

[opaque coyote]

so basically it's like being in a tank

but

person sized

yeah that makes snese

[arctic talon]

On the upside they have big guns

Like grenade launchers

Also some weapons require further enhancement to utilize

There’s a grenade launcher

Which requires the user to replace an arm with a mechanical one

[opaque coyote]

oh hey somebody made trench crusade inspired armor for FO4

[arctic talon]

Okay nvm

I found the lore on their fuel

It’s a diesel engine

[opaque coyote]

hm

[sacred ginkgo]

That kinda fits too

[opaque coyote]

where the fuck even

oh

the back

duh

thought that was a ""portable"" radio tbh

actually mig ht still be that

[opaque coyote]

yeah the mod page said that it was made by ripping out pieces of the tanks and shit all around

and welded onto a frame

[arctic talon]

Conventional explosives don’t do too much to hurt you in machine armor

Unfortunately

They don’t use conventional explosives

They just use the grenade that rots your bones instead

[opaque coyote]

can't wait to get absorbed into the "god speaking backwards" shell

[arctic talon]

Look

[opaque coyote]

is it like a liquid

[arctic talon]

That’s just unfortunately friendly fire

If that happens

[arctic talon]

It’s a magic bomb

That’s filled with liquid

But the liquid spreads the magic farther

[opaque coyote]

yeah I assume that like

you throw it

it smashes and spreads on somebody

their flesh melts

[arctic talon]

It gets in the gaps and melts you

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

...

[arctic talon]

If you want fully sealed machine armor that’s an upgrade

lol

[opaque coyote]

jesus christ

[arctic talon]

Now granted

Being fully sealed isn’t beneficial either

Because it can still eat through the softer joints

[queen laurel]

What's the most technologically advanced faction in trench crusade right now anyway

[celest willow]

yall think pizza exists in trench crusade?

[queen laurel]

It seems to be new Antioch

[arctic talon]

New Antioch and the iron sultanate are pretty tied

New Antioch is more advanced raw tech wise

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I guessed like

it potentially breaking into like a designated hole that gives you oxygen

[arctic talon]

Iron sultanate deals with magical shit

[opaque coyote]

so you're breathing in the

flesh destroying fluid

[sacred ginkgo]

Pizza exists everywhere
It’s just food

[arctic talon]

It’s sealed that way

[celest willow]

actually now am wondering about Italians

[queen laurel]

To be fair they do combine their technology and magic together they could make some more advanced stuff

[opaque coyote]

so are you basically infused into the armor

[arctic talon]

You can take it off

It’s just like

An irl body glove seal

[opaque coyote]

oh

...

[celest willow]

pizza hut must be where the sinners dine

[arctic talon]

Or like space marine or spartan armor

lol

[opaque coyote]

yeah that sounds like it sucks ass anyways tbh

especially if you get hit by the flesh melting grenade

can't exactly dodge

[arctic talon]

I still don’t know wtf the forces of hell hit those poor shock troopers with

But I want it as relic wargear

Lmao

[celest willow]

I genuinely hate pizza hut the crust feels like smearing a knife into your mouth

[opaque coyote]

Trench Crusade is basically like

[celest willow]

and it is so oily

[opaque coyote]

That one meme about the wizard war

[arctic talon]

Magic is ultimately the Achilles heel of most conventional armor

In trench crusade lol

[opaque coyote]

Lemme find it

[sacred ginkgo]

Generic canister shot

[arctic talon]

Or napalm

Napalm also works

[arctic talon]

Is it actually?

Neat

[sacred ginkgo]

No

I’m guessing

[arctic talon]

Fair

[opaque coyote]

Trench Crusade be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVPpILRiWa8

[arctic talon]

anyways I love cooking heretics alive with Iron Sultanate napalm

Armor doesn’t do great when it gets in all the cracks

[sacred ginkgo]

“What turns people to mist?”
Marbles at 1000 m/s

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Fair lol

[arctic talon]

I’ve heard this before

[celest willow]

what about marbles made out of cremated babies

[arctic talon]

Anyways iron sultanate is the best faction because I can load magical napalm into my basic infantries guns

And then the napalm says fuck you to your armor

Or acid

Acid and napalm rounds are great

[queen laurel]

to be fair they're the only holy faction that could send in monsters ugly enough and large enough to match that of hell

[arctic talon]

Alchemy is funny

[queen laurel]

New Antioch has to go in raw and hard with nothing but human grit and advanced armor

[arctic talon]

But I don’t play iron sultanate for the giant monsters or elite infantry

I play them for the alchemists funny guns and bombs

[arctic talon]

And RA Said Unto Themself:
LET MY NAME ENVELOP YOU. SEEK NO SHELTER FROM THE FLAME OR THE TEETH OF THE BEAST. CLOAK YOURSELF IN THE FIRE OF MY WORD AND CAST BACK TO YOUR ENEMIES THAT WHICH WOULD BLACKEN YOUR FORM.

look on the upside if someone is castigating it can only happen once because they're fucking dead after that

[sacred ginkgo]

8d6 of martyrdom though

[arctic talon]

It’s true

[cyan merlin]

(It’s aesthetically similar to WW1 and a Cold War should not be possible from the lore I know which is admittedly limited)

[shadow plover]

Can't wait for my Trench Crusade book to arrive 😩

[cyan merlin]

I disappear for a few minutes to deal with work things and this chat explodes ;-;

[cyan merlin]

I still need to actually read my first 40k book

Fifteen hours in my hands and I keep being busy

[arctic talon]

Its a Cold War in the sense that the 2 "sides" are exhausted from fighting each other and in a period of recovery

they're still murdering each other

[shadow plover]

oh I meant the rule book proper, but yeah I recommend reading plenty of 40k books as well

[arctic talon]

its just no longer in massive battles

[queen laurel]

meanwhile my favorite mechs just go

[arctic talon]

its in a much smaller scale

[opaque coyote]

Imagine fighting for so long

[queen laurel]

about to play like a street fighter grappler in the streets

[opaque coyote]

That even Hell is like

"ENOUGH"

"TRUCE. WE NEED A TRUCE."

@arctic talon also is it ever mentioned what happens to like

A regular civilian that happened to get caught in the middle of a battle

And then died

Like has there been a case where they've been sent to hell or something

[arctic talon]

No

you only get sent to hell if you you know

are evil

or pledge your soul to hell

[arctic talon]

not even a truce, they've just stopped doing massive attacks

[opaque coyote]

So the MFS that are part of hells forces are like

[arctic talon]

So the heaven/non hell aligned ones

are just deciding

[opaque coyote]

All insert bad person here

[arctic talon]

fuck it if they're not doing shit we'll wait

[opaque coyote]

Like they're all explicitly bad peoole

No like

[arctic talon]

well

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Corruption business?

[arctic talon]

aside from the zozmbies

I mean if you grow up with it

is it really you being evil inherently

or is it just what you've learned and absorbed

[opaque coyote]

So what is the situation with hell

[arctic talon]

but yes the forces of hell choose to be more evil

[opaque coyote]

Do they like

[queen laurel]

This is the Drow paradox isn't it

[arctic talon]

Hell is not intervening directly

[opaque coyote]

Have territory?

[arctic talon]

Yes

well hell aligned forces do

lemme just pull up the fucking map

[opaque coyote]

Thank you

[opaque coyote]

I will gently assume

That the parts on fire

Is hell territory

[arctic talon]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

Also what the hell are the

Creatures wandering around

In hell territory

There is a creature with 3 pairs of arms

[queen laurel]

so new antioch and sultenate really are just good neighbors

Well good relatively speaking

[opaque coyote]

Ally ship of convenience

[shadow plover]

just random mythological beasts

[arctic talon]

they do work together

also we still don't have an answer

[opaque coyote]

Oh one of them is literally just Beelzebub

[arctic talon]

as to why the Kaaba is floating, and on fire

[opaque coyote]

[shadow plover]

I should get my map framed

[arctic talon]

lol

[opaque coyote]

Like Beelzebub is just there

[arctic talon]

I really want to know why the Kaaba is floating

and on fire

[opaque coyote]

Standing around

[arctic talon]

well they aren't actually

[opaque coyote]

Awww

[arctic talon]

its just a represnetation of whos in control of the territory

[opaque coyote]

Ah

[arctic talon]

which is the black grail

[opaque coyote]

So I assume the kings of Hell are like transformed humans

[arctic talon]

Mammon is a demon

[opaque coyote]

And not demons?

[opaque coyote]

Huh

[arctic talon]

So is Beelzebub

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I just wonder how are the territories that are like farther away

Like are they just chill

[queen laurel]

the british literally has a giant warship that could double as a giant war tank

[arctic talon]

All the Christian/catholic countries contribute to New Antiochs military forces

we dunno what the Muslim nations outside of the Iron Sultanate are up to

the Iron Sultanate is trading with China and other nations on the silk road

and Spain is trading with the native americans of south america

who repelled an invasion from hell

[opaque coyote]

...

Now that

I really want to see

[arctic talon]

we dunno how

We don't even know the proper cosmology of the universe

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I like that

[arctic talon]

beyond heaven and hell are both real as are the Abrahmmic God

and all that stuff around that

[opaque coyote]

Like the ambiguity

[arctic talon]

well

I just want to know what the fuck is up with the rest of the world lol

[opaque coyote]

Like maybe the Abhramiac God isn't a true one

[opaque coyote]

Real

[arctic talon]

not that its needed

but you can't just say "the silk road exists"

and not fucking elaborate on that

LOL

[opaque coyote]

I am imagining China just like

Eating rice

[arctic talon]

LIKE THERE'S SO MANY NATIONS ALONG THE SILK ROAD

[opaque coyote]

While seeing power armored warriors fight against the forces of hell

[opaque coyote]

The merchants pull up with snacks

To watch the battles

[arctic talon]

Also the Mongols are around in trench crusade

the Golden Khanate rather

The House of Wisdom stuff mentions Mercenaries and Exotic weaponry, except its just new antioch stuff you can run on Iron Sultanate units

[shadow plover]

I have some insider information about TC too, once everyone gets their Kickstarter minis, they will start dropping loads of new models right after. No longer than a couple weeks it seems

[arctic talon]

🔥

[opaque coyote]

Imagine Chinese Gods and Dragons fighting Abrahamic Demons

[shadow plover]

I already saw two new renders of a Sultanate model and a new Warlock

[opaque coyote]

Buddha giving Beelzebub a good old dropkick

[queen laurel]

to be fair technologically speaking iron sultenate weapons use exotic types of alchemy based weapons

[arctic talon]

thats cool

[queen laurel]

new antioch weapons on a baseline is more technologically put together

[shadow plover]

I don't think I ever said it in here but I got to read through two of Franchina's sketch books when they were in an event in Helsinki. Filled with amazing sketches from cover to cover

Also took part in a massive multiple player 13 hour TC game

[sacred ginkgo]

Is that board full custom?

[shadow plover]

yup

someone I half know built it for this event and then donated the halves to two different gaming clubs

[sacred ginkgo]

Damn, that was probably someone’s summer

[shadow plover]

it took a couple or few months yeah

[queen laurel]

The heavens have blessed them

[shadow plover]

[dusky scroll]

Recently I saw a bunch of meme with something about Emperor wanting to die and reincarnate but Grey Knights not allowing it or something like that.
What's this all about?

Can anyone explain?

[sacred ginkgo]

A thing in the Grey Knights codex called the Terminus Decree

It has been teased ever since like 5th ed or something but in the 10th ed codex they just straight up dropped it
It’s the last command given by the emperor, which was revealed to be that if he ever rises from the golden throne the grey knights are to make sure he gets back on it

[shadow plover]

Was it by the Emperor or the Sigilite?

[sacred ginkgo]

Idk

It’s not easily searchable on Lexi and I’m not looking up the codex paragraph

[celest dome]

Emperor iirc

And it most likely isn't just:

If Emperor get up
Then kille Emperor

[left talon]

“Listen guys I’m gonna be stuck here for a while and when I get up I’m probably gonna be very cranky and I don’t trust the imperium to not make me a god while I’m taking a long nap so make sure I don’t get up and kill half the galaxy”

[opaque coyote]

The true story

At least the memes that came out of it are funny

[trail gorge]

Explain yourself

[unique bronze]

Reminds me of this

[opaque coyote]

My personal theory is that it's to prevent anybody imitating him

"I am the Emperor, reborn in the flesh"

"FUCKING PUT HIM BACK IN NO-"

[unique bronze]

I've always just thought that the golden throne would have been broken by the time he does die on it

[dapper gyro]

To be fair, it is already broken.

[unique bronze]

Well, not to the point where it fucks everyone else just yet i think but its getting there

[sick copper]

Can anyone recommend good 40k YouTubers? Currently been watching Arbitrator Ian and Scholar's Lore

[sick copper]

From my (admittedly limited) understanding, isn't it that the Emperor is holding back Chaos from the human Webway and if he stops even for a day Chaos could overrun Terra? And that if he does get up it's probably because his body got possessed?

[celest dome]

The Throne is keeping the gate of infinity together, preventing it from becoming a new Eye of terror.
The gate is an access to the Eldar webway though, not a separate one

[sick copper]

So the Human Webway Project that took so much of the Emperor's Time to the point he neglected to see the Heresy coming...that was a co opted part of the Eldar/Old Ones Webway and not a separate construction?

[hexed orchid]

Check out Weshammer and Luetin 09

[hexed orchid]

There are a few things that could cause the emperor to get off the throne, although I don't think possession would work out, given how even his symbols can cause daemons pain.

[valid needle]

Left ambiguous

Only three people can use that sigil, Big E, Malcador and valdor but I can’t see it being valdor.

Since he’s been missing since 30k

I personally think malcador

Especially since grey knights were his pet project

The only reason valdor is included is because he was widely accepted as third in command of the imperium behind malcador and he would have access to the seal used on the terminus decree.

[celest dome]

More like trying to take over the Eldar's one

[fervent gull]

does inquisitors also widely believe that big E is a god?

[hexed orchid]

Yes

[celest dome]

Depend, some do, but it's probably much less than the common Imperium.

[storm jungle]

You already got the two best imo.

Ian is great for both a very clear loreteller while also providing context for why the thing hes covering exists from an IRL perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/@OculusImperia/videos

Oculus Imperial is another one id highly recommend though

he roleplays as a scribe beneath the forgotten chambers of the Imperial Palace and retells a lot of good lore bits from an in-universe perspective, super comfy

[queen laurel]

i also recommend pancreas but he does branch out to other non warhammer topics which doesn't really make him as a full lore tuber but what he does have on warhammer is good

And most of his stuff is warhammer

[shell mason]

Sup nerds

Miss me?

[storm jungle]

Didnt you like disappear then do the same "Did you guys miss me" thing a few weeks before

[celest dome]

I have no idea who that is

[queen laurel]

I'm gonna be honest I forgot you even existed as a actual person here

[storm jungle]

bruh 💀

[shell mason]

Well forgive me for needing to gets some more milk, witchfinder

[shell mason]

Likewise

[storm jungle]

[shell mason]

[rose thorn]

Warcom broken for anyone else

English won’t load

[shadow plover]

ye

it's just the front page

all news works

[rose thorn]

ah okay

hasnt this book been republished like 5 times now

`or these books

[storm jungle]

Oh my fucking god

can Steve Lyons just stop writing Krieg novels

[rocky gale]

Hmmm

[queen laurel]

what is that cover

[rocky gale]

Me and the boys up late looking for beans

[queen laurel]

They definitely had someone who goes in deep with the details

[storm jungle]

Its very like

awkwardly 3D?

They did it with Vraks too

I hate this art style

[rose thorn]

I really like their uniforms- i jsut realized the yare imperial navy lmao

person on the right looks sick

[storm jungle]

yeah guard dont own aircraft

[rose thorn]

yeah

try telling a guard player that whent hey paint a flyer /lh

sick ass helmet

and cool tattoos

[queen laurel]

Yeah when I look at warhammer art I usually expect something like Da big Dakka where it's this smooth blend of 2D and 3D

This one just feels like

[storm jungle]

Best kind of uniforms to wear during sex

I mean what

[queen laurel]

Something is just off it looks too 3D

[storm jungle]

@vagrant fox Get some better taste in kinks you judgemental fuc-

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[rose thorn]

he looks photoshopped in lmao

[vagrant fox]

I am pure of mind and body I have no kinks

[storm jungle]

Lie detected

[rose thorn]

which tbf the book cover is to get your attention

[rose thorn]

clown pfp

ur cooked

[storm jungle]

got his ass

[rose thorn]

you either really like clowns or are a space station 13 player

[vagrant fox]

I have played a lot of SS13

[rose thorn]

yeah ur cooked

[dapper gyro]

Hey, at least the Tempestus cover looks way too sick, it balances it out.

[rose thorn]

i wonder if the rates of a historical novel writer is cheaper than a scifi writer

all he does is write historical fiction ww2 books and got pickedup by gw

[dapper gyro]

Ask the TC guys to offer him something, so GW can start doing something else.

[sick copper]

Damn, that's the good shit! Lol. Instant fan

[storm jungle]

Yeah hes a real veteran of the hobby as well so very much not a shill

[rocky gale]

Space station 13 is goated

[rose thorn]

waiting for one of hte like 8 community made remakes to finally make it off the ground before iplay

one of tehm wont get cancelled

righ?

[rocky gale]

I just play on Goonstation 3

Or 4

[rose thorn]

what is goon station

[rocky gale]

It’s one of the servers

[rose thorn]

oh

[rocky gale]

Best combination of QoL mods, content, moderation and player base I’ve found

Its name predates the modern interpretation of goon

[median star]

goon station

[rocky gale]

It’s not that kinda goon

[queen laurel]

Is it the kind that says we got you boss and here's the weapon boss

[rocky gale]

Yea

Like goons/mooks

[vagrant fox]

Goonstation was goated

When something awful users would make a clan or something in a game they'd usually use goon, like goonswarm in EVE

now it has taken on a darker meaning

[queen laurel]

Ah yes the sus paradox

[dapper gyro]

I hate how the internet take whatever words and meme and ruin the vocabulary.

[queen laurel]

When a word that used to be just a normal word become victimized and caught in the crossfire

[storm jungle]

Mood

[queen laurel]

And therefore every time you say the word everyone now stares at you

[storm jungle]

back in my day "goon" meant the disposable underlings of supervillains lol

[dapper gyro]

The rate that words get censored more and more often now sometimes makes me mad.

[queen laurel]

Back in my day suspicious meant suspicious and not among us

[storm jungle]

YEET

[dapper gyro]

Fuck I hate that shit so much.

[queen laurel]

Let me tell you a transformer called backshot back in the day would have been fine

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-40k-dreadnought-redemptor-dreadnought-by-the-nine-i'm-tweakin-gif-9390896391163403429

[queen laurel]

Now you say the word backshot everyone is gonna look at you like you just committed a crime

[dapper gyro]

Simp is another word, though the old definition is not better, but it is still something else.

[queen laurel]

The sus paradox continues to victimize for people

[hallow saddle]

goon station

RIP Goonswarm

[crystal forum]

i dont goon i hench

henchman

[median star]

okay grandma

[storm jungle]

Shut the fuck up you little wankstain

go back to the genepool

[median star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1382070913973092464/slap.gif

[crystal forum]

jesus christ dilara

safety is OFF today

[storm jungle]

:]

[queen laurel]

what do you mean today

Just like the skeleton mod has said

She is born with the boxing gloves

[crystal forum]

usually it takes a little bit more to get that kind of attack though 😭

[rocky gale]

Thats just a normal conversation with an English mother

[queen laurel]

Bro it does not it does not take a lot for her to come out swinging like a mantis shrimp

[crystal forum]

dilara is the embodiment of "i want problems always!"

https://youtu.be/LgmL4TQCNtI

[storm jungle]

Real.

African shao kahn is my idol

[rose thorn]

Grotmas is around the corner!

[queen laurel]

I love how G double you fully went in with the fact that orks are just now apparently the Christmas icons of warhammer

[rose thorn]

I hope they do AOS stuff

Scourge of Ghyran 2.0

[queen laurel]

granted but kurnothi will be further delayed by 2 years

[rocky gale]

Think we’re going to get more Grotmas detachments?

Last years were great

[languid meadow]

"Police brutality coming right up"

[sharp pollen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/563797305472450599/1417436804277207170/Disco_Elysium_The_Engraved_Shell_Casing.mp4?ex=68ca7a64&is=68c928e4&hm=2d31ad258bd2d69408cc1dc4546969911be16f4d95d4d53d22da4d330acbee38&

from my experience the lore channel is the new political+meme channel now

[storm jungle]

Its really not

that topic is already been over like 2 days ago

(also this is coming from the guy who spams zesty ass gifs in theorychat 24/7)

[sharp pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/283984194382725124/1206581043553894400/toughlife.gif

[winged jacinth]

In my experience this channel and book club are the only ones that consistently stay near topic most of the time lol

Most of the convos ive had here have been about obscure lore

[storm jungle]

he gets VERY angry sometimes 😔

[valid needle]

Why do some toilets flush clockwise and others flush anti clockwise. This question keeps me awake at night.

[rocky gale]

Just a British MP talking about playing Warhammer in an interview while everyone else sits confused

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/hlb3v2/eli5_why_does_water_go_counterclockwiseclockwise/#:~:text=It doesn't%2C the direction,effect only affects large bodies.

[rocky gale]

There’s an argument to be made that them not knowing is kind of ridiculous when Warhammer contributes more to the British economy than the entire Fishing industry

[storm jungle]

I mean

politician

knowing things

one of these things is not like the other

[valid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/look-looking-for-is-it-gif-18734602

[rocky gale]

Yea but knowing where the moneys coming from is a different thing

[surreal nest]

To be fair we still have congress members in the US that don't know what the internet is

[storm jungle]

Is mayonaisse the internet

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-duh-gif-13669009

[valid needle]

Why is sugar called sugar but sweeteners are called sweeteners and not artificial sugar?

[rose thorn]

because its not artifical sugar

[storm jungle]

Sugar is called sugar because it refers specifically to naturally occurring or added sugars like sucrose, which are carbohydrates that the body uses for energy. Sweeteners are called sweeteners or sugar substitutes because they are chemically distinct compounds, often not sugars themselves, designed to provide a sweet taste with fewer or no calories, and they don't serve the same nutritional role as sugar

[spring cairn]

why can't I stop doing heroin

[rose thorn]

thank you witchfinder

[spring cairn]

can you answer that please

[rose thorn]

because you cant afford to go to rehab

[spring cairn]

It's free where I live

[queen laurel]

why did god make me

[storm jungle]

Next 📢

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-dexter-dexter-doakes-gotcha-found-you-gif-14688017774431904057

[rose thorn]

watch train spotters you will stop doign heroin then

[storm jungle]

According to Abrahamic religions, God made humans to live in relationship with Him, to glorify and worship Him, to love and serve others, to reflect His image, and to have a family to express His unconditional love. Different faiths offer similar reasons, emphasizing a Creator's desire for a relationship with the created.

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[surreal nest]

is santa claus canon in the warhammer universe

[storm jungle]

No, Santa Claus is not a canon character or tradition in the Warhammer universe; instead, there are no cultural equivalents to Christmas, though some communities might celebrate Sanguinala as a proxy. While the concept of Santa Claus could theoretically exist as a minor Warp entity due to belief, the grimdark nature of the 40k setting makes it more likely he would be a daemonic or forgotten figure if he did manifest, rather than a benevolent gift-giver.

[queen laurel]

aight thats god

welp

even though i'm christian that's good enough i guess

[rose thorn]

how di you get that so quick-

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-40k-terminator-space-marine-tyranid-gif-1894942018275864402

[sharp pollen]

i actually got less angry lately, i get therapy

[storm jungle]

Based.

[sharp pollen]

i spend more time with my dad, i got him play elden ring

[storm jungle]

wish my dad played games

(boomer)

[valid needle]

Because it’s good?

[surreal nest]

i could only ever get my dad to play dirt biking games

Bro has never used a dirt bike irl before

[valid needle]

Wdym I watched it and then started doing heroin.

[rocky gale]

Since we’re all trauma dumping, my dads dead

[rose thorn]

thats like watching judge dredd and then becoming a cop

[valid needle]

Same

[rose thorn]

mine is buildign cabins in montana

[queen laurel]

i'm gonna be honest this blindsided the crap out of me

[rocky gale]

His heart done exploded

[queen laurel]

talking about dads playing video games to dead father in minutes

[valid needle]

I watched my dad struggle to breath and then die

[queen laurel]

record time as well

[rocky gale]

Won’t happen to me though, not with all the energy drinks keeping it pumping

[rose thorn]

mine thinks that the idaho govermetn has been taken over by a govermetn funded neo nazi organziation and or a drug cartel

so he sounds about right

[queen laurel]

Cities of sigmar getting taken over by lumineth

[rose thorn]

HAHAHAHEHAHEEHAH

[valid needle]

Mine got sepsis, went into hospital to get it treated. Caught Covid in hospital. Got sent home. Collapsed. Hospitalised again. Spent a week unconscious and died.

[queen laurel]

OK genuinely though how the fuck do you explain this conversation rotation to someone

[valid needle]

Ok enough trauma dump for one day

[rose thorn]

For context non americans, idaho is where that old lady was kidnapped by thugs the sheriff hired because she wanted to talk about womens rights in idaho at a town meeting

[surreal nest]

You dont

[rose thorn]

if yu remmeber that

[rocky gale]

I was about to say “I know someone from Idaho” and was going to ask if you knew them but then remembered that like US states are huge

[rose thorn]

im the only person in this server who is from idaho probbaly

let me check

[celest dome]

I da ho ?

[rose thorn]

i think pepper is from idaho

[rocky gale]

U da ho

[shadow plover]

that's the Dune character

[celest dome]

[rocky gale]

Dr Pepper?

[queen laurel]

ydaho

[rose thorn]

someoen in teh server who left

oht heres no audio.

whos ducan idaho btw

[shadow plover]

dune

he's dune

[rose thorn]

OH

IT HOGUHT YOUW ERE JOKING

MY BAD

[storm jungle]

*John Dune

[rose thorn]

john dunehammer

[spring cairn]

Yeah, I'm Dune

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-stilgar-as-written-dune-part-two-dune-part-2-gif-7721435987346957801

[rose thorn]

at eh end of the dune movie did john dune look at the camera adn say "it looks like a... dune"

[spring cairn]

What is a Dune, a miserable little pile of sand

[rose thorn]

i hate sand

[rose thorn]

eheheheheh

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-paul-atreides-i-am-paul-muad'dib-atreides-duke-of-arrakis-gif-10565349926785199692

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-kiss-hd-feyd-rautha-kiss-dune-2-dune-part-two-gif-8296991559080743796

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-butler-feyd-rautha-harkonnen-gay-gif-4077468297717386539

man I fucking love dune

[rocky gale]

Peak

Most normal uncle-nephew interaction in House Harkonnen

[storm jungle]

Real.

I still dont get why he kisses him on the lips tho

[vagrant fox]

russian tuant

[storm jungle]

Russian?

I didnt think much of the cheek kisses since muslims do it a ton here lol

[vagrant fox]

one of my faves

[storm jungle]

oh that lol

[rocky gale]

Oh the Baron is gay

[queen laurel]

Does being gay in the dune universe correlate to any particular lore reason

[storm jungle]

OH RIGHT

I forgot he literally has sexual feelings for his kids lol

also Paul included

[summer mural]

im gonna rewatch the twilight saga from beginning to end

[rocky gale]

Like that’s the answer, also why he doesn’t have any kids and the nephews are his heirs, he refuses to sleep with women

[summer mural]

Im having like 6 cans of diet coke rn to get me pumped up for it

[rocky gale]

He had to be blackmailed to make ||Jessica||

[rose thorn]

“Why did ocelot stick his tongue into my mouth passionately and after what felt like a year he whispered in my ear and said ‘you are my passion’ and”

[storm jungle]

Herbert also gave the Baron gay tendencies since it was an aspect he considered disgusting/evil as well which adds more subtext to the whole thing.

[rocky gale]

Yea unfortunately the answer is homophobia

[storm jungle]

Yep lmao

he drove his own son to suicide so 💀

still love Dune tho

[rose thorn]

I get it but kissing a guy is still pretty gay even if it’s an insult

[storm jungle]

tbh to us it is

the humans in Dune are an entirely different culture

the Baron 100% gets what Feyd is doing with it

[rose thorn]

Ah, I haven’t seen dune

I just imagine an actor getting really flustered and blushed when he gets kissed by a guy as a taunt and they ahve to like photoshop his face in post

[shadow plover]

as if actors aren't all a bit gay

or a lot gay

[rose thorn]

You aren’t an actor if you haven’t had on screen gay intercourse at least once

[shadow plover]

non-derogatory

[rose thorn]

Like Spider-Man

[outer wave]

"Hahahah, you're gay--" kisses man on the mouth "Hahahaha--" Kisses man again on mouth "--Ahah--" another smooch

[rose thorn]

HAHEHAHEHW

actor in a mafia movie who’s having a bit too much fun giving the kiss of death

[rocky gale]

Actors are like rugby players even the straight ones have had sex with a man atleast once

[rose thorn]

There’s straight rugby players?

[rocky gale]

Allegedly

[shadow plover]

what the fucks a rugby

||/s before someone starts to explain it to me||

[outer wave]

"Ay, the father wants ya dead--" A couple pecks "Ya, better watch yo' bac--" A few more kisses of death onto the cheek

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/nrl-xxx-gif-27698775

[rose thorn]

HAHWHWHEJABDJSDBAKNS

“Let the father know I’m waiting- stop that- I get the message-“

[rose thorn]

It’s like soccer with physical assault

https://tenor.com/view/rugby-maddison-levi-australia-new-zealand-gif-4598003425101051202

[shadow plover]

you fuck

/S

[rocky gale]

Cleanest tackle I’ve ever seen

[crystal forum]

imagine two greasy italians kissing eachother on the mouth as a friendly greeting

with some tongue in there

the european hello

[outer wave]

Yeah a lil bit of tongue

A tip even

A tip of tongue

[crystal forum]

it's funny we do the cheek peck here in french canada but only with women

handshake for guys

[rose thorn]

It’s what American football is based on, it’s literally soccer except you can hold the ball and tackle players

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-fight-play-fighting-sparring-stick-fighting-gif-7426966748664647995

[crystal forum]

rugby is crazy

why is there no protection

[rocky gale]

It’s gets in the way of the kissing

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/brian-lima-tackle-gif-23805898

hes ufckign dead

[crystal forum]

"the romans were so barbaric with their gladiators"
meanwhile the modern age:

[rose thorn]

i cant imagine the soudn his body made

when your animating like fist to fist combat

[green loom]

Yes actually

[rose thorn]

just draw ontop of a clip a rugby tackle

[green loom]

There's a very dramatic scene where he stares into the camera and says "Dune" and everyone goes crazy and starts worshipping him

[crystal forum]

the one year i played football our running back had his back broken

yeah pun

[shadow plover]

"desert power..."

[crystal forum]

but we were like 13

imagine having your back permanently messed up that young

[shadow plover]

Same thing happened to me from sitting on a pc for a living, no biggie

[rose thorn]

he shoudl go into propane

[crystal forum]

hank didnt play football

that was bill

fake fan

[rose thorn]

he literlaly did

they were in teh same team

[crystal forum]

no bill did

[rose thorn]

hank broke hisl eg

THEY LITERLALY BOTH WERE

[crystal forum]

hank didnt play

[rose thorn]

HANK DID

he broke his leg

dale was the water guy

and bill jioned hte military before finishing the season

[crystal forum]

oh right boomhauer was the one who didnt play

[rose thorn]

yEAH

acutallly idk if he played

oh he did

dale dint play

[crystal forum]

wait this is before college

[rose thorn]

yeah noen of them played college

[crystal forum]

way before bill joined the army

[rose thorn]

wlel

maybe boom

[crystal forum]

bill played college no?

[rose thorn]

no he never finished highschool

[storm jungle]

Marlon Brando my beloved

[crystal forum]

man young boomhauer looks nice

[rose thorn]

closted pansexual or perfect actor

or is he legit queer

[crystal forum]

"that's bait"

wise words

if he was queer the media would never shut up about it

[rose thorn]

good point

[storm jungle]

its prob one of the reasons why most modern actors dont come out yeah

then you got the old guard ala Ian McKellan or Patrick Stewart who arent afraid of anything lmfao

[crystal forum]

he'd become "gay actor tom hardy"

which is genuinely so insulting

as if that's your entire personality

[rose thorn]

i love all teh fake thumbnails of tomholland reacting to his scene in teh crowded room

trying to make it look like he has ptsd or somethign

[storm jungle]

What was even up with that

is it just mocking him for playing a "queer scene"?

[dapper gyro]

Usually, they already have an established career before they open themselves.

[dapper gyro]

It is not just for their imagine, but also the abuse one could get in the Hollywood.

[crystal forum]

the hollywood

[rose thorn]

he was great in that movie btw

i saw it like

idk

OH YEAH LET MEGET THA ERALY FUNNY THUMBNAIL

[crystal forum]

what movie is it

[rose thorn]

the crowded room

i need to watc it again

[crystal forum]

why does he have a black eye amount of makeup

[rose thorn]

he was cross dressing at a dance club if i remmeber correctly

wow

i didntknow this lmao

[crystal forum]

that is the straightest cuddling i have ever seen

do straight people cuddle

genuinely asking

[rose thorn]

only after they get pegged

is waht i heard

[crystal forum]

lmao

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/james-charles-suspicious-meme-dexter-gif-16862144012666500782

[rose thorn]

ahhhehaeahaehe

[shadow plover]

I fucking love cuddling

hell to the yeah

[crystal forum]

interesting

is maggie the bay harbor butch

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-bar-gif-4298875606784040546

[queen laurel]

yes, do you think cuddling is like a gay specific ability in the earth meta

[spring cairn]

they do it better that's 4 sure

men cuddle better tha women

i can attest to this

[queen laurel]

that is true the gays get the cuddle master perk

[celest cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-5305267

[crystal forum]

literally the tamest topic this chat has ever had

[crystal forum]

yes

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/i-can-fix-that-gif-11919043

[crystal forum]

my impression is straight guys act like most masculine gay tops

[languid meadow]

I need money to gamble

[crystal forum]

i say this as a masculine top

[valid needle]

Yes straight people do cuddle, me and my homies always feelin eachother up.

[languid meadow]

Sure what the hell

[queen laurel]

GORKAMORKA ALLOW ME TO JUJU ON THAT BEAT

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

dilara are you above 5'8

[rocky gale]

In this presentation I will explain why Perterabo is the only Primarch that can understand what it's like to live life as a woman with Autism...

[crystal forum]

asking for unrelated reasons

[storm jungle]

im 5'9

[celest cedar]

man and I thought #40k-lore-chat is exclusively wholesome topics

[crystal forum]

jesus christ she's a giant

[storm jungle]

💀

[queen laurel]

Wholesome?

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

this the surface

[celest dome]

I think I'm 5'5

[crystal forum]

are belgians tall

i know nothing of this demographic of people

[vagrant fox]

yea

male average is like 181 cm

[celest dome]

Usually

[crystal forum]

oh right average of 6 feet

cacti is just tiny

[shadow plover]

hell yeah I'm perfectly average

[crystal forum]

i thought you were british jerk