ignore new sanguinary guard
#40k-lore-chat
rocky gale
Everything was shit, new Sanguinor shit, new Lemartes shit, Astorath shit
spare osprey
I kinda fw’d astorath
storm jungle
Im glad Eternal isnt here anymore
he was like the only person in here going
"You xenos players get minis by marines making money"
shut the fuck up
lmao
rose thorn
I like ultra marines so I’m happy with the update but damn it’s not fair
vagrant fox
true and eternalpilled bring him back
queen laurel
Im glad Eternal isnt here anymore
he still lives rent free on our heads
arctic talon
UM are the favored child of the codex compliant chapters
queen laurel
arctic talon
lol
hallow saddle
nah the current one is multipart but its pretty shit, very t-pose
arctic talon
by far
rocky gale
I also like the new sanguinary priest
Sanguinary Priest was like the one good model in the refresh
storm jungle
tbh
rose thorn
UM are the favored child of the codex compliant chapters
Why are half of their successors cannibals lmao
storm jungle
gayguinary guards?
rocky gale
Captain was alright, but like it's a Captain
storm jungle
or whatever their name was
rocky gale
Don't need another Captain
arctic talon
Why are half of their successors cannibals lmao
Because traditions are funny
rose thorn
Good point
arctic talon
also because the UM have a lot of sucessors
so we just get more lore
on some of the really weird ones
rather then the Genericus Marines
rose thorn
What the fuck was the ultra marines successor I liked
arctic talon
or the skinning alive ones
arctic talon
rose thorn
Libators and exorcists are my favorite chapters
I’m not sure what I like more
Actually probably libators fi greyknights get a refresh
And exorcists if they don’t
Maybe next edition will be my year
Also best part about liberator kitbashes is that you can keep the ultra marine symbols
Non shoulder*
So no scraping
rose thorn
They ahve the ultramarine symbol as a core part of their identity, especially since they like worship them
So it works out
Im wondering who the libators were before the first founding lmao
Like the people who were used to found the chapter
yes gulliman we can be a trusted as our own chapter. We drink the blood of our enemies in your name gulliman.
arctic talon
Im wondering who the libators were before the first founding lmao
Honestly probably some fringe predation fleet people
LOL
rose thorn
Lmao
“Well the horus heresy is over, we must establish the codex so that this never happens again.”
“Let the most devoted and honorable fight the foes of man’s kind on their own front. You, you, you, and uhh…..”
hand goes past super chad captain and heroes
points to an ultra marine in the corner who’s hunched in the corner covered in blood
“You yeah you”
“Your uh, skills and uh, devotion to man kind, and stuff, will be needed on their own front”
That or they got an email after slaughtering a small planet for a minor chaos uprising getting an email saying they are good to be their own chapter
opaque coyote
I have thought of more sister of battle themes
But
Amazons technically already exist
Right?
rose thorn
Every good primarch has a blood cult devoted to them just saying
celest dome
Does Corvus ?
rose thorn
Does Corvus ?
Let me check I thought they did
Also I realized why I felt off about the lion
Mother fucker is green arrow
celest dome
I mean, you didn't even pick the most "Green Arrow" looking head
rose thorn
YEHA LMAO
rose thorn
Does Corvus ?
Death spectates ig?
arctic talon
Does Corvus ?
Death specters are really weird but they don’t drink blood
valid needle
Listen, you blood angels don’t need any more nipple armour, or your wings for that matter too.
valid needle
I want wings
Best I can do is red ultramarines.
winter pine
me and the other slaves to darkness when Abaddon finally finishes what Horus couldn't (we're cheering and having the best time ever before the warp destroys Terra)
spare osprey
ignore new sanguinary guard
Actually the fact we were talking about it
And then honor guard THIS good looking gets shown off
Is fucking hilarious
rose thorn
And then honor guard THIS good looking gets shown off
Love this kit
hallow saddle
could be a very cool conversion project
outer wave
Cato Sicarius too
Ngl thought he'd look more handsome
plush mason
https://tenor.com/view/my-deer-friend-nokotan-noko-gif-18012137691229584690
that anime annoyed me because some friends did nothing but talk about it and spam clips of it lol
opaque coyote
Once a common voidsman in the Imperial Navy, the Daemon prince now known as “The Carrier” began life as Josephus Mallone in the Calixis Sector. At void from his earliest recollection, Mallone was, by all accounts, a terrible voidsman. Known throughout Battlefleet Calixis as unreliable, unrepentant, and a serial malingerer, he gained a reputation as the laziest man in the battlefleet, a title he accepted with honour. While that appellation was, perhaps, an overstatement, Mallone was a man who cared little for work and instead made his way through life avoiding it, a task easier than one might believe aboard a massive Imperial Navy voidship. For five decades he coasted in the belly of one voidship after another, avoiding superiors and as much labour as possible until a simple accident changed his life forever.
During a fateful voyage in which the ship’s Gellar Field failed and suffered a minor Warp incursion, Mallone fought Daemons of Nurgle as part of a security party. During the pitched battle, Mallone contracted a disease from one of the Daemons. Strangely, some would say miraculously, he showed no signs of illness or taint, and his affliction went unnoticed. While he did not suffer from the disease, he carried it, and over the next few decades spread the taint of Nurgle among the battlefleet. Thousands of voidsmen and Imperial Navy functionaries died over the years, consumed from within by the awful plague Mallone unknowingly carried. Eventually, Mallone was discovered by agents of the Plague Lord and they approached him while he was in port. They informed him that he had been doing Nurgle’s work for decades, spreading disease among his fellows. Papa Nurgle was pleased, they said, and offered him a proposition. Nurgle would give Mallone a life of eternal ease, away from the demands of naval life with its watches and hectoring bosuns, in exchange for continuing to spread his disease. He accepted, out of a sense of curiosity and idleness more than any real dedication to the Ruinous Powers.
Now, centuries later, he lives among the chaotic worlds of the Void Dancer’s Roil and serves his master with glee. While he kept his human appearance upon apotheosis, within he is a roiling mass of poison and disease. His laziness was, if anything, intensified upon becoming a Daemon, and it is widely said that he would be one of Nurgle’s most powerful servants if only he could be bothered. None of this matters to The Carrier; he is content to spread his plague and do the will of Nurgle as he sees fit. He does this by appearing aboard voidships lost in the Warp and offering them a way out of the howling Chaos of the Empyrean. Surprisingly, most are desperate enough to take the help of a shabby, ill-looking voidsman who simply manifests aboard and offers safe passage with an easy smile. Even ships of the Imperial Navy have fallen prey to this. True to his word, The Carrier guides each and every ship safely from the Warp, disappearing as soon as they transition back to realspace. Of course, by that time he already done the festering work of Nurgle, and the unfortunate vessel has also become a carrier of the Plaguelord’s pestillence.
opaque coyote
> Once a common voidsman in the Imperial Navy, the Daemon prince now known as “T...
- How the fuck did this man not get executed.
He was so spectacularly lazy that he was known
THROUGHOUT A BATTLE FLEET
Imperium ships contain hundreds of thousands of people
And he was known for being so lazy, that the entire fucking FLEET knows how lazy he is.
rocky gale
A legend amongst an organisation that big they wouldn't know what he looked like
Probably didn't even know his name
Just "I heard tale of this one crewman"
golden imp
Wow they weren’t kidding, lamenters really do make you just….sad
Just everything about them oh my god
arctic talon
They also make some really stupid decisions sometimes
golden imp
True
arctic talon
So some of it is absolutely deserved
The one incident completely out of their control
Was the warpstorm
Literally everything else was self inflicted
surreal nest
And then honor guard THIS good looking gets shown off
GW is on a roll lately
paper haven
> Once a common voidsman in the Imperial Navy, the Daemon prince now known as “T...
A hero
sour hornet
We all know a guy like that
granted, on ships, a guy like that will usually get his ass beaten for not showering
imagine working a full shift on a shitty military ship, returning to your warm bunk, only to find that the whole place smells like unwashed dog ass
arctic talon
Tbh
sour hornet
i am promptly and immediately throwing hands
arctic talon
water is prolly rationed
For stuff like bathing
There’s prolly a lot of perfume/deodorant going on
sour hornet
Even a quick water rationed wash-up and some 40k babywipes will prevent you from assing up the bunks
arctic talon
Tbh the funny thing is
Nothing said he didn’t shower
He just was an asymptomatic carrier
Of the disease
storm jungle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209843216227368962/1416896993212502147/20...
LMFAO
storm jungle
💀 💀 💀
arctic talon
Trust
It’ll happen
My sources which are located at the bottom of a bottle
Are very accurate
arctic talon
Have fun with your banana guard
storm jungle
🫡
nocturne crest
So here's a thought, but what are the chances GW will make a new rhino/land raider model, that is just 5% to 10% bigger to make primaris fit inside.
storm jungle
Entirely possible
they are very famous vehicles/iconic but we'll see
they have been kinda being replaced by the primaris-grav vehicles
rose thorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209843216227368962/1416896993212502147/20...
HHHAAHAAHAHAHAH
arctic talon
So here's a thought, but what are the chances GW will make a new rhino/land raid...
Okay so for one, vehicles are in their own scale and even if they scaled it up it still wouldn’t fit primaris inside
But GW are absolutely going to make updated LR and Rhinos that are gona be the scale of the Deimos rhino and the heresy stuff
rose thorn
they have been *kinda* being replaced by the primaris-grav vehicles
i wish 40k had the hover bieks instead of hh
i feel liek hh should feel lower tech
but also like
the point is all teh tech was lost
so waht ever
arctic talon
i feel liek hh should feel lower tech
Heresy is meant to be higher tech
For marines specifically
nocturne crest
I wonder if anyone would be upset if they gave the guard a new vehicle, but it's hover/grav tech instead of good old treads.
arctic talon
I wonder if anyone would be upset if they gave the guard a new vehicle, but it's...
Based on how some people hated how the dorn was shaped yes absolutely
Imo jetbikes are the most fancy guard should get
Mostly as a call back to 2e stuff
storm jungle
I too watch SnipeWib
but also yeah the Guard dont really need new vehicles, they could use some older update ones tho, they got tons
arctic talon
^
Guards whole thing is brutal kind of “low” tech
And also considering a traditional guard vehicle upgrade is literally called armored treads
I don’t think GW are gona give them something without treads unless it’s a bike lol
storm jungle
yeah and even then theres no way they are gonna get it en-masse when rough riders exist
UNLESS they do like
cawl did it
only higher tier Cadia-esque regiments get it
arctic talon
Tbh guard lore on the tabletop is really funny
Because you can’t even depict the shitty regiments even back in the day
Because chimeras and chimera chassis vehicles aren’t given to shitty no name regiments
nocturne crest
What about something silly like jump sentinels?
storm jungle
Im pretty sure that exists
arctic talon
They have Sentinels with grav chutes yeah
they don't jump but they fucking slow fall lol
the Elysian Drop Sentinels are funny as fuck
nocturne crest
they don't jump but they fucking slow fall lol
Exactly. Make Sentinels that can jump. I will also accept the concept of rocket propelled sentinels.
arctic talon
Well
thats prolly not happening
for balance reasons lol
considering sentinels can take multi meltas
also because it would shore up a weakness guard is supposed to have with vehicle heavy lists
the only flying walker is the Eldar Wasp Assault walker
frail cedar
I surprised that GW never made Sororitas styled after some of the loyalist legions.
Like imagine Space Wolf Shieldmaiden Sororitas
Or Salamander Pyresisters
That would be rad
arctic talon
and its allowed to do that because its made out of glass
well its not really that fragile
but you're paying out the ass for it
and its squishier then most vehicles, and I don't think GW wants to make another sentinel kit
nocturne crest
Exactly. Make Sentinels that can jump. I will also accept the concept of rocket ...
TBH, I thinking about the time the soviets strapped rockets to a tank to make it go faster.
arctic talon
if you want fast flying vehicles
nocturne crest
nocturne crest
if you want fast flying vehicles
They're not even that fast.
arctic talon
faster
in any case
strapping rockets onto vehicles exists in 40k
the Tau and Orks do it
rose thorn
gw give gsc the loader sentinel please
paper haven
Even a quick water rationed wash-up and some 40k babywipes will prevent you from...
Hygiene? In this economy?
storm jungle
I surprised that GW never made Sororitas styled after some of the loyalist legio...
It takes away the identity the Sisters have
and also ties them to space marines, again, in a universe where everything already revolves around them.
It also holds no weight aside from "Oh wow norse sisters" which everyone has done at this point.
sour hornet
I surprised that GW never made Sororitas styled after some of the loyalist legio...
Imagine actual new Sister orders (impossible)
arctic talon
New subfactions
replacing current big subfactions
💀
there's factions with bigger differences per subfaction that already don't get stuff lol
sour hornet
a shit ton of minor orders technically exist, but as footnotes on literally half a codex page
Elite
Where there is delusion there is hope
rose thorn
can they not take it?
they can but its legends to hell
i mean as like a gsc exclusive unit
nocturne crest
using a cargo loader is very gsc
Imagine if you could detonate missile at the cost of destroying the unit.
Kamikaze with a deathstrike missile.
paper haven
While this is hilarious, it really is that guy's fault for not taking care of the commissars that were after him while he was in power.
rose thorn
OH
arctic talon
While this is hilarious, it really is that guy's fault for not taking care of th...
Imo he likely thought they had forgiven him for his slight ect. Ect.
rose thorn
They killed hive cult and made it’s replacement dog shit
storm jungle
While this is hilarious, it really is that guy's fault for not taking care of th...
Honestly probably the most realistic part of this entry lmao
rose thorn
tehr ifht hting to do was to just get rid of brood botehrs and make generic units int he army
like
'Brood brothers infantry"
"brood brotehrs lemanruss"
arctic talon
tehr ifht hting to do was to just get rid of brood botehrs and make generic unit...
Did you have a stroke at the start
rose thorn
the right ihtng to do was *
storm jungle
💀
arctic talon
💀
storm jungle
But anyway yeah Aquilan Shield lord from the new codex is great
they also finally establish they can bodyguard both great figures and literal nobodies/hobos
paper haven
Honestly probably the most realistic part of this entry lmao
Like, I get it but he was still a war master. I've seen commissars get killed for trying to shoot popular people and it sounds like this guy would have been very popular amongst the troops
storm jungle
His use ran out essentially is the point.
Custodes do not care about anything that doesnt threaten segmentum solar
paper haven
Sure.
storm jungle
its wasteful but that kinda fits the bill
Custodians are assholes like that, the page has a previous bit for the Aquilans that says as much
arctic talon
Like, I get it but he was still a war master. I've seen commissars get killed fo...
It’s likely he was called for a “meeting”
paper haven
It’s likely he was called for a “meeting”
His fault for trusting them.
paper haven
Custodians are assholes like that, the page has a previous bit for the Aquilans ...
The animation with the female custodes did a good job of showing that
storm jungle
The animation with the female custodes did a good job of showing that
Yeah people hated on her more for that not realising it literally would have been the exact same scenario if she was a male custodian.
The codex explores the shield hosts really well, let me get one page exploring what an agent of an Eye of the Emperor deems an actual "threat"
paper haven
Custodes are masters of prioritization.
It's one of the reasons I like them, because on any given day there are thousands of potential threats cropping up and they have to shift through each one and decide which ones are worth spending their limited resources on
storm jungle
Yeah its one of my favorite excuses/reasons their codexes conjured up for reasons as to why they'd have homebrew groups among themselves and what they'd be doing beyond the walls of the palace, its very smart.
arctic talon
Tbh they’re technically not militarily organized either
Not in the same strict way as other imperial factions
It’s very fluid
paper haven
Their flexibility is one of their greatest strengths
storm jungle
Yeah a lot of the shield hosts are just madeup formations that fits their job
Aquilans go in like a small group or just alone, Solar Watch can be a few shield hosts, etc etc
languid meadow
It's how some military units/orgs are organized throughout history and I think even today.
I just need to find walk im talking about to not seem insnae
nocturne crest
Do Custodies have rules where they can have any army follow them?
sour hornet
Custodes do not care about anything that doesnt threaten segmentum solar
Bro
I remember when a squad of them got trashed by a naked berserker
nocturne crest
they ca bring agents of the imperium
I see.
I do wonder if Agents of the imperium is going to still be around next edition.
sour hornet
literally no force in warhammer is immune to being worfed to jerk off space marines
rose thorn
I do wonder if Agents of the imperium is going to still be around next edition.
is it a hot take to say i hope not
storm jungle
literally no force in warhammer is immune to being worfed to jerk off space mari...
Correct.
storm jungle
is it a hot take to say i hope not
DONT SAY THAT
I WANNA READ MORE LORE IN THE RULEBOOK
nocturne crest
When you say I hope not, do you mean you want them gone or want them to stay?
rose thorn
I WANNA READ MORE LORE IN THE RULEBOOK
good point
sour hornet
From "The Outcast Dead"
His blooded fist hammered into Uttam’s chest, driven by rage and betrayal. Ceramite shattered, adamantium buckled and bone broke. Tagore bellowed in atavistic triumph as his power, momentum and strength drove his fist deep into the Custodian’s chest. Meat and blood parted before his digging hand until his fingers closed on iron-hard bone. The Custodian’s eyes were wide with agony, his body still fighting for life even as Tagore ripped it out of him. Tagore spat blood in his face, grinning a manic skull’s grin. ‘Still think I make empty threats, Custodian?’ he snarled. Uttam tried to respond, but only managed a horrid sucking noise from his gored chest cavity.
nocturne crest
Also, can the Inquisition / Inquistiors own deathstrike missiles launcher?
rose thorn
yeah
storm jungle
If they got the clout yes
sour hornet
They can own almost fucking anything
sour hornet
Literally anything not 100% proprietary to that faction can be owned.
nocturne crest
What about Rogue traders?
rose thorn
i want inquisitors to be thier own army or their respective orders gets perma added ot their corirlating armies
yes
this time if htey have money
nocturne crest
Land Raiders?
rose thorn
yes
sour hornet
Like Knights / Titans / Space Marines. They best you get with those is allying agreements.
nocturne crest
Actually, could GW make Titans a 40k army?
storm jungle
Arent thye already one?
rose thorn
its 2 armies acutallpy
sour hornet
Land Raiders?
Literally the equivalent of a jeep to your average Inquisitor
nocturne crest
Huh.
rose thorn
and its terrible and i hate it htae it hate it hate it
nocturne crest
So what can Titans armies field?
sacred ginkgo
Knights
sour hornet
Knights.
rose thorn
nocturne crest
Also, silly question, but what would you put into a Darktide Combat Patrol?
rose thorn
knights and titans are differnet
sour hornet
Knights have Knights armigers, and household troops, but only in lore.
sacred ginkgo
Also, silly question, but what would you put into a Darktide Combat Patrol?
Darktide would be a killteam
rose thorn
i want titans to stay in hh so it cna ruin that kngihts there
rose thorn
they are awful and everyone redditors over them
arctic talon
marginally less awful in heresy because their points costs are lower
languid meadow
Secutarii are so cool.....
rose thorn
secutarii are awesome
arctic talon
the best titans in 40k are the Eldar ones
lol
because they're fast as fuck
once again
speed wins
sacred ginkgo
How fast
arctic talon
Revenant is 16" move with fly
lol
also it auto advances 6" always
phantom titan is 14"
but no fly
unique bronze
Is this like in tabletop terms
rose thorn
ph yeah elite d yo know why tyey nerfed gsc
sacred ginkgo
How fast are most bikes for reference
arctic talon
bikes are 12"
rose thorn
nerfing gsc means they broke something and were op
radiant lance
arctic talon
unless you're eldar jetbikes in which that case you're 14"
nocturne crest
Darktide would be a killteam
True, but what would you add for a combat patrol?
arctic talon
ignoring reavers
arctic talon
Also, silly question, but what would you put into a Darktide Combat Patrol?
Imperial Guard
rose thorn
True, but what would you add for a combat patrol?
it would be agents of hte imerpium probbal y
arctic talon
Primaris Psyker, Cadian Squad, Ogryn Squad, Ecclisarchy priest
this is the minimum effort lazy one
nocturne crest
it would be agents of hte imerpium probbal y
Wait, do they already have a combat patrol?
rose thorn
most of Grendyls warband
grendyls?
arctic talon
yeah
rose thorn
OH
arctic talon
anyways this is the Agents patrol
rose thorn
i thouhgt Grendyls was hte name of hte combat patorl and i paniced for a second
unique bronze
Whos that guy with the spear glaive looking thing
rose thorn
Whos that guy with the spear glaive looking thing
deathworld vet
arctic talon
Whos that guy with the spear glaive looking thing
veteran guardsmen
nocturne crest
anyways this is the Agents patrol
Honestly, they should have swapped out one of the arbites for Guardsmen.
arctic talon
from a deathworld
sacred ginkgo
Combat Patrol 3 killteams and an eversor
And a Blackstone model
arctic talon
Honestly, they should have swapped out one of the arbites for Guardsmen.
Imperial Agents don't get guardsmen
nocturne crest
The Karskin?
rose thorn
uniornically why isnt there more guard in imperial gents
arctic talon
GW did not put any effort into the army rules
rose thorn
yeah lmao
nocturne crest
Dang.
arctic talon
uniornically why isnt there more guard in imperial gents
because it was last minute turned into a full army
lol
all the detachments are super generic rules wise
sacred ginkgo
I love how the blackstone models were so good they just infiltrate every existant faction
nocturne crest
anyways this is the Agents patrol
Honestly, they could have added a rhino or something.
rose thorn
fix warhammer 40k but you can only play the assassin detachemtn in agents:
what hte hell is it called
uh
arctic talon
Genuinely all the fucking Agents rules fucking suck as a comprehensive army
THEY DON"T HAVE AN ARMY RULE
rose thorn
why arnet the assassins non unique int hat army
rose thorn
**THEY DON"T HAVE AN ARMY RULE**
like gsc every other week
nocturne crest
....
rose thorn
just required drilling a hole into the wirters head
nocturne crest
So would splitting armies of the imperium into Inquistors and Rogue Traders make things better?
rose thorn
who thought making an army rule that sotps working if you lose too much was fun
arctic talon
So would splitting armies of the imperium into Inquistors and Rogue Traders make...
No
lol
Just fucking kill the book as its own army
rose thorn
lmoa
arctic talon
there's literally no point
not if GW isn't going to fucking rebuild it from the ground up
Inqusitorial section mentions stormtroopers
rose thorn
40k is not in a position to have allies
arctic talon
number of stormtroopers you can take: 0
Allies are fine
in theory
Agents are like
rose thorn
literaly it breaks shit veryt ime you do it
arctic talon
bleh
rose thorn
in 40k
rose thorn
infinte chimeras
nocturne crest
I wonder if a inquistor rhino predator is possible?
green loom
Prolly is
arctic talon
Predator prolly/prolly not
predators are like
specifically used by marine chapters because they mostly share parts with a rhino lol
rose thorn
warhammer need smore deer....
nocturne crest
Actually, new question, but would the Arbites work as their own army?
arctic talon
no
rose thorn
no they are bad
nocturne crest
If they got stuff like the repressor as a unit?
arctic talon
still no
Arbites wouldn't work as their own army
because they're not an actual army
nocturne crest
Or the option to take Necromunda units?
arctic talon
they do not function like an army
nocturne crest
Fair enough.
rose thorn
dont bring more finecast into 40k
arctic talon
Every army in 40k that is an army
functions like an actual army to an extent
or some other form of one
unless GW wants to completely rewrite arbite lore
like they did Deathwatch lore
to make them work as an army
rose thorn
oh really?
arctic talon
in which that case sure whatever lol
Deathwatch can deploy in actual company sized formations now
lore wise
They also have access to a motor pool
as of the 9e codex supplement lol
rose thorn
oh i throught hey did that for like doomsday level therats
arctic talon
usually
dapper gyro
Guard formations are in the same veins.
arctic talon
but sometimes they just do it because you can't be subtle anymore
you just need to be the fucking hammer
rather then a small knife
nocturne crest
So what about a imperial navy army?
Actually, better question: If you could get rid of 3 armies that are a part of the imperium, what would you pick?
arctic talon
Actually, better question: If you could get rid of 3 armies that are a part of t...
That have their own codex/codex supplement?
nocturne crest
Yes.
rose thorn
flyers are bad
and will and shoudla lways be bad
imagine plyaing khrone agaisnt an army fo all flyers
arctic talon
daemons just fucking fly and beat the shit out of you
in the sky
GO MY BLOODTHIRSTER
dapper gyro
Sub factions have codex, does that count?
arctic talon
I'd assume
rose thorn
navy is apart of imperial guard
nocturne crest
Doesn't the bull thing that WE technically fly?
rose thorn
only the named one
nocturne crest
Oh.
arctic talon
Agents, Imperial Knights(they've been a mistake from the start as their own army), titans
nocturne crest
So the named one could charge a flyer if he wanted to.
arctic talon
For a marine army that doesn't need a codex supplement
probably blood angels
they're more codex compliant then some of the codex only chapters in 40k
lol
but whatever
nocturne crest
How so, in regards to the knights?
arctic talon
Because
they're so fucking skewed
every other army runs at least like
25+ minis
lol
Knights cap out at like
fucking 10
or 12
max
rose thorn
and you will neverguess waht hte best wya to play kngihts is
rose thorn
spam as many as possible or bring 3
rose thorn
sijahfisahfahkjf
arctic talon
But yeah knights are
literally always miserable
I'll never not play a game with a knight player
but I think I would rather play against literally any other army
then Imperial or Chaos Knights
they are fundamentally unfun
rose thorn
knights are so cool 
arctic talon
they do not play the same game as everyone else
the solution would be house troops
which would also piss off knight players
dapper gyro
Low but powerful unit army is always harder to balance.
rose thorn
which would also piss off knight players
you would basicall be playing fuckingg uard
dapper gyro
Custode are usually the best or the worst. Not often in between.
arctic talon
Custodes are less problematic then Knights
due to the nature of their army just resembling a really fucked up terminator marine one structure wise
dapper gyro
They have more unit on the field as well.
rose thorn
just sayign gargants dont have this issue (armies usually have built in anti monster)
nocturne crest
the solution would be house troops
I recently learnt that failed knights aspirants can be turned into skitarri.
arctic talon
yeah Gargants don't have the issue
because the entire game is built around monsters existing
rose thorn
(game was made aware of low model count armies(
rose thorn
lmao
rose thorn
holy shit hardon is alive
rose thorn
lmao
arctic talon
anyways point being if they wanted to make Knights the same way as gargants
green loom
My favourite knight army
nocturne crest
My favourite knight army
That's beautiful.
arctic talon
Yes
rose thorn
okay
nocturne crest
Does it actually work?
arctic talon
But you can't give everyone and their mother anti vehicle
rose thorn
yeah so the issue is most armeis dont fucking have anti vehicle
arctic talon
the same way anti monster is in AoS
well
they do
I also still hate gargants in AoS
rose thorn
more than 1
arctic talon
they're not problematic
rose thorn
I also still hate gargants in AoS
valid
arctic talon
but they're still boring as fuck
to play into
which is the crux of the issue
Knights could be perfectly balanced
and they'd still suck to play into lol
rose thorn
hey is ec bad?
arctic talon
EC are bad rn
dapper gyro
Does the Marines Suppressor have "Anti veh"?
arctic talon
they were decent for a while
but the Knight codexes being terrorists
has made EC bad
rose thorn
EC are bad rn
ah, slaanehs beign bad is a universal law
arctic talon
Curse of Hedonites
rose thorn
lma o
arctic talon
Does the Marines Suppressor have "Anti veh"?
No
Marines actually lack the anti vehicle keyword
in general
rose thorn
i want ec to be bad out of spite
rose thorn
becuase they dont have bieks
arctic talon
Kid named S14 AP-4 cannon
rose thorn
sorry auto mod
green loom
I feel like knights would improve drastically it they got stealer cult esque farmer militia chaf
green loom
Idk balance wise but it'd be cool and awesome
arctic talon
I feel like knights would improve drastically it they got stealer cult esque far...
They would, but knight players don't want that(based on surveys)
lol
rose thorn
then we would jsut play guard
arctic talon
Also based on the popularity
of the detachment
that lets you take cultists or skitarii
based on if you're CK or IK
rose thorn
also you nver see agens in ak night list
arctic talon
those detachments are also actually really fucking good
Agents in Knights are also really good
but knight players don't want that
green loom
I feel like the more accurate claim is that you never see agents
arctic talon
they want big stompy mech that smashes your infantry
No
you see agents a lot
supplementally
not as their own army htough
green loom
Crazy
green loom
Wasn't there a brief bit not long ago where everyone was taking arbites allies
green loom
Since they were stupid good
arctic talon
because GW accidently made the arbite sheet way too undercosted
for how strong they were
green loom
Anyway I do hope they expand the agents list with inquisition specific stuff, it's not like we lack inquisition specific weird shit
arctic talon
I agree
agents needs a lot of hellp
I'd rather Gw not remove agents from the game
again
arctic talon
but this has happened literally everytime GW has tried to make inqusition an army
nocturne crest
Repressers, more acolytes stuff, more weird stuff.
arctic talon
if greykngihts dont get a refreesh next ediiton
Drukhari and Grey Knights 11e
1100000000%
rose thorn
green loom
More black opsy looking stormtroopers or guard vets, witch hunters, ecclesiarchy militia guys, crusaders etc. etc.
arctic talon
well
rose thorn
i will roleplay on reddit
rose thorn
i will make it my dientity
nocturne crest
Also, I just had a thought, but seeing how blanks exist in Grey Knights, should they become a unit as well?
arctic talon
on what GW is updating
rose thorn
we're gona get marines on launch 100%
hopefully its replacing the first born weh av enow
arctic talon
Also, I just had a thought, but seeing how blanks exist in Grey Knights, should ...
Ferrymen may become a unit
green loom
I don't think it's Orks
arctic talon
I would also agree its not Orks
but there's way too much evidence for it(unfortunately)
nocturne crest
Ferrymen may become a unit
Someone did steal all the dead bodies.
It was probably that rat bastard bile.
green loom
Orks are more likely than Deldar for popularity reasons
rose thorn
.... OH UYEA i forgot its only xenos and chaos in 40k
i was like
"wait whats teh third alliance"
nocturne crest
Wait, are agents of the spider/bile still a thing in this edition?
arctic talon
There's not grand alliances in 40k anyways
rose thorn
itsgotta be chaos
arctic talon
its
Imperium
Ynnari/Eldar forces
Chaos
Tau Empire
green loom
Edition start usually comes with gigantic overhaul
rose thorn
i say we
nocturne crest
Bile is a thing yeah
So that faction thing with Bile is still around?
arctic talon
Yes
green loom
At least that's been the trend for both AoS and 40k since like 40k 8th ed
rose thorn
they are the grotmas righT?
green loom
Besides DE ig
arctic talon
its just those 2
green loom
They have the AoS option of "new army" but I get the feeling they're not as willing to make new additions to the 40k roster as they are AoS
arctic talon
There's some new army possabilities for 40k
Chaos Xenos
Chaos mortals
uhhhhh thats abouti t
lol
arctic talon
yeah
nocturne crest
Renegade Space marines?
arctic talon
new xenos
rose thorn
please add liek 4 more xenos to 40k
green loom
There are more marine factions than basically everything else
arctic talon
you can proxy it with loyalist space marines
rose thorn
GW has said they'll never do that
thank fuck
green loom
Renegade Space marines?
Yeah you basically either just run chaos or just run loyalists and the renegade bit is just dluff
rose thorn
oh fucking chaos damech
arctic talon
the answer is run loyalist or chaos
rose thorn
dark admech is prbbalu th enext new faction
arctic talon
Dark Mechanicum and Adeptus Mechanicus are basicially the same fucking faction
lol
one just uses more slavery
and the other uses daemons
nocturne crest
I will make my own codex /s
arctic talon
lol
If you want to make renegade space marine rules
take inspiration
from the like
5e Astral Claw rules
nocturne crest
Huh.
rose thorn
is launcg boxes good for 40k?
green loom
40k actually has deceptively few factions
nocturne crest
Actually, they'll probably turn the Badab War into the next HH game.
green loom
Nah, Scouring
rose thorn
launcg bxoes are great for aos since it always was super healthy for the game
it was new factions or major refreshes
arctic talon
is launcg boxes good for 40k?
Yeah launch boxes are good
rose thorn
im just saying gw you could do a make your own launch box
green loom
There are about as many LSM factions as factions in 40k in general 
arctic talon
im just saying gw you could do a make your own launch box
build your own box has been a thing people have asked for years
lol
GW likely won't do it
rose thorn
yeah
green loom
So if we only count "space marines", there's like 22 factions in total
rose thorn
on the store page?
i will say it 100 times ynnari needs their own full army
i wante dhtemt o be soup then i realzied no
i dont wnat them soup lol
OH A HARLEQUINS RELEASE FOR NEXT EDIIOTN LAUNCGH WOUDL BE COL
no i cant buy clowns no i cant
it iwll be bad
nocturne crest
I got a dumb ass idea for 40k army/subfaction.
rose thorn
i want the clowns theya re the coolest thing in 40k
but i their rules will suck
when im done
arctic talon
lol
rose thorn
I was gonna say 40k should have wizards my brain has rotted off the core
The meme became real in my head
nocturne crest
Pentient Crusaders: Angels Pentient, Sisters Repentia, Krieg and Arco-flagellants with a new model of Inquisitor Lord Fyodor Karamazov as the leader.
nocturne crest
You will drink the soup.
rose thorn
arctic talon
Pentient Crusaders: Angels Pentient, Sisters Repentia, Krieg and Arco-flagellant...
That is one of the worst armies I have ever heard of
on par with the 6e random codexes
Absolutely not lol
I do not want this shit as a release
💀
nocturne crest
Nah, it's genius, it's like a box of celebrations.
You get multiple various chocolates in one box, except their models.
Sadly, it would mean that we would have to give the Angels Pentient successor chapters.
Also, just realised, we could have death company.
Or replace the krieg with penal legionaries.
nocturne crest
I do not want this shit as a release
So makes it better right?
nocturne crest
For my next trick, I will make a pirate faction, that is chaos and xeno soup.
arctic talon
if you soup Eldar of any flavor with chaos
I'm hitting you with a plastic squeaky hammer
nocturne crest
Do I have to call you anything when you do so, or is saying ow enough.
Actually, has xenos soup existed before?
Like, Dark Eldar working with regular eldar?
arctic talon
Actually, has xenos soup existed before?
Yes
the best army for 7e was Taudar for a large portion, then Marines, then Admech
then Ynnari
lol
Also Chaos Daemons
were fucking evil in 6e allied with eldar
lol
because eldar had a thing that let you take no damage on perils
nocturne crest
T'audar
arctic talon
and Daemons had a thing that had you summon daemons on peril
so
*you would just fate dice your psykers into periling
so you would just puke out free blood thirsters
and other greater daemons
👏
nocturne crest
Sounds like a spicy soup.
I just had an idea how to make an awful chaos faction: Agents of the Imperium Dark Gods
Chaos inquisitors/Rogue traders, dark mechanicus and CSM to replace arbites.
plush mason
so that giant warp travel capable ring that one forge world has, does it need a navigator and if so does it need more than one?
nocturne crest
Chaos inquisitors/Rogue traders, dark mechanicus and CSM to replace arbites.
You are all in awe of my genius.
arctic talon
so that giant warp travel capable ring that one forge world has, does it need a ...
they have a single navigator for the Graian rown
plush mason
dont the LoV have a similar device?
arctic talon
they have a world eating thing
not a space station
just an actual like
it just fucking eats the planet
nocturne crest
That's Unicorn!
plush mason
yeah but they both serve the function of collecting raw resources on mass, the Graian just dumps it on the forge world it sits over
arctic talon
yeah
plush mason
i wonder how many people die during those off loads
plush mason
ether crushed by the rain of ore or falling out of the Graian with it
opaque coyote
i wonder how many people die during those off loads
Considering it's 40k
Probably like
1 million
Per off load
I am assuming that it would be only one per day at most
Due to a fucking PLANET being processed
opaque coyote
That's Unicorn!
unique bronze
Sheesh, I thought I read somewhere they at least give the inhabitants time to leave or something, do they actually just swallow up the planet just like that
opaque coyote
The entire very first transformer movie is still fucking wild to.me
Like most of the cartoon is basically just stupid shenanigans.
It's basically a playground fight between the decepticons and autobots.
And then they decide "Okay how are we gonna open the film?"
"Introduce cosmic horror."
The death count went from 0 to fucking billions in like 2 minutes
green loom
Sheesh, I thought I read somewhere they at least give the inhabitants time to le...
They probably do give an eviction notice but like
The Imperials won't exactly help them off lol
opaque coyote
The Imperials won't exactly help them off lol
"You got two weeks to move out"
green loom
And space travel is wholly controlled by the Navy pretty much
opaque coyote
"But... some can't even get to the evacuation zones"
"Then we will get more resources."
plush mason
They probably do give an eviction notice but like
i doubt that highly
green loom
Hey it's good business
I mean
Assuming they don't, ykno
Go and kill them personally
Which is a thing they do
plush mason
Graia likely targets uninhabited worlds to harvest, and if there are non humans living on it they would just kill them
green loom
Oh wait I thought you meant Votaan
opaque coyote
Hey it's good business
I think they would send out a notice if it's a inhabited world (with humans) but do nothing else
green loom
Yeah nah Graia will not give a shit
unique bronze
Oh, I thought that was Votaan too kekw
opaque coyote
Graia likely targets uninhabited worlds to harvest, and if there are non humans ...
Most likely yeah.
Because inhabitated worlds are already sucked dry
plush mason
yeah
green loom
If there's people there they're either getting enslaved and then servitorized or they skip enslavement and go straight to servitors
plush mason
yup
opaque coyote
If there's people there they're either getting enslaved and then servitorized or...
Honestly if they had to go for inhabited
unique bronze
Whats Graia about
opaque coyote
I imagine they would just be like
"GET OUT"
And then everybody desperately tries to leave
They get like a two week at most
green loom
Nah
opaque coyote
Anybody left is processed.
opaque coyote
Human life is expendable
Yeah but not too expendable.
plush mason
Whats Graia about
forge world with a massive orbital space station ring around it that can warp travel to strip worlds of all useable resources
opaque coyote
Just because you can use it
Doesn't mean that you should all the time
If that makes sense
green loom
I mean I figure at least a good amount will almost definitely be enslaved
unique bronze
Are they owned by space dwarfs like Votaan is
opaque coyote
I mean I figure at least a good amount will almost definitely be enslaved
Oh yeah probably
plush mason
Are they owned by space dwarfs like Votaan is
nah Admech
opaque coyote
But I would imagine not mass servitorized
green loom
Are they owned by space dwarfs like Votaan is
Votaan are the things in charge of the Space dwarfs
opaque coyote
Servitors have limits
In terms of what they can do
They can do a repetitive task
But not much else
Or act as a mainframe of sorts.
...
green loom
They can get pretty advanced
opaque coyote
Yeah but those are expensive
green loom
They pay for themselves
opaque coyote
They can get pretty advanced
Honestly I thought of a joke where I imagined a gaming PC but 40k
And it's like this
Fucked up technology and flesh abomination
With a bunch of brains used as the CPU essentially
green loom
Yes
opaque coyote
And the guy just treats it like normal
Booting up Skyrim (the 31038th rerelease)
Getting annoyed at the "fans" (eternal screams of agony) being too loud
While he goes onto loverslab and installs sex mods or something
Either that or just playing something really basic
Like Tetris
opaque coyote
Yes
Like my favorite part about 40k is the benign horror
Like Cain just casually mentioning
"Yeah we use prisoners as target practice"
green loom
And said prisoners actually being for torture practice
opaque coyote
Like genuinely, there is a reason why my main hot take is that there should actually be a good guy faction.
I know the T'au kinda take this... "Role". At least in terms of the individual naivete (not actually being good).
But it is funny to imagine a faction from a much brighter sci-fi world just
Looking at what the Imperium does on a daily basis and being like
"What the actual fuck???"
opaque coyote
And said prisoners actually being for torture practice
Again, there is a missed opportunity for a 40k Sitcom
Like it would have the same structure as like
Full House
F.R.I.E.N.D.S
Etc.
But they're all hivers
Actually the Deldar would fit even better considering their general attitude
green loom
Like genuinely, there is a reason why my main hot take is that there should actu...
The Tau are still bad but they're about on the level as irl stuff
arctic talon
But it is funny to imagine a faction from a much brighter sci-fi world just
this happened during the great crusade and macharian crusade
lol
Human civilizations horrified about the imperium
The imperium dealt with them
in the imperium way
opaque coyote
The Tau are still bad but they're about on the level as irl stuff
Yeah that's why I'm kinda saying "good faction".
Cause the T'au aren't good.
green loom
I had a guy argue with me that the average imperial world is actually pleasant/chill to live on
arctic talon
tbh Tau feel evil due to how their evil is a familiar evil
The average imperial world is probably empty
lol
opaque coyote
in the imperium way
I swear I grumble Everytime people try to criticize that the Imperium is the only way in-universe
green loom
Yeah and the average imperial is on a hive world
arctic talon
Yeah
opaque coyote
Like
opaque coyote
It wasn't
green loom
There's 3 things no imperial escapes though
green loom
The Admech, the Ecclesiarchy, and the Tithe
opaque coyote
That humanity could progress
Sure you could argue that means that means that the Imperium is the only way they could succeed
But that's like saying "might makes right" in a boxing match of a fully adult man vs a 5 year old kid
green loom
That humanity could progress
Yes, and they gave the evil hell monsters gigantic militaries to achieve their goals, and summoned horrors from the deep
opaque coyote