yeah Just assume because we're talking about something that everyone knows about the world right now we're despicable or something
#40k-lore-chat
queen laurel
languid meadow
They got his ass
his own dad turned him in for 100k
"The bolt-action rifle Robinson used and left in a wooded area near the campus had various phrases engraved on the bullet casings, Cox said, including “Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao ciao,” which appeared to reference an Italian anti-fascist song."
White Mormon
dapper gyro
I really don't understand, people are fine with condoning easy laws that lead to school shooting, but talking bad about some other guy is suddenly oppressive...
outer wave
I really don't understand, people are fine with condoning easy laws that lead to...
Because he had a wife and kids!!! Don't YOU care?!
celest dome
Mf is not left that's for sure
Won't stop them from claiming he is
queen laurel
I really don't understand, people are fine with condoning easy laws that lead to...
And like what
why are you surprise people don't feel sorry for a guy that condones gun violence to preserve the law
dapper gyro
Also, people have the naive idea of "if we do it like them, we are no different"... Peace is not inaction.
languid meadow
the thing is he's not registered with any party and hasn't voted in the past two general elections
so like he just did it for the love of the game
queen laurel
i don't condone shooting a man in the head because you don't like him but like I also won't feel sorry for a guy that condones gun violence to preserve a law because apparently it's a foundation of the people
outer wave
The right hate empathy until something bad happens to their side I swear
queen laurel
Also, people have the naive idea of "if we do it like them, we are no different"...
Sometimes the only way you could ensure peace is by making sure that you have the right amount of force application
languid meadow
Because he had a wife and kids!!! Don't YOU care?!
I feel sympathy for his kids yeah but ngl they're 100% better without him especially after what he said about his daughter
queen laurel
Sometimes words are just not enough and you have to convince them with a firm brick
dapper gyro
It is their fucking idea of "An armed society is a polite society"...
languid meadow
the only time that was worked is Switzerland but that's because their guns are from the government
and they're all trained in it
dapper gyro
And they are extremely tight about their laws.
celest dome
the only time that was worked is Switzerland but that's because their guns are f...
And ammo isn't as easy to get
dapper gyro
If the US people live there, they would scream about "No freedom".
queen laurel
If the US people live there, they would scream about "No freedom".
freedom, achievement, and hard work are apparently what America strives for but you know
I am guessing the president currently doesn't abide by these beliefs
dapper gyro
I don't like violence, but like, come on.
celest dome
The thing with American values is that they've been treated as commodities to cause workers to infight
dapper gyro
Also, when that health insurance dude got killed, people are more sympathy to the killer since many of them got screwed by that insurance. Now, not enough people screwed by mass shooters and assassins I think.
Double standard everywhere...
Especially the dude said death is the price to keep the [USA's] 2nd amendment.
queen laurel
Especially the dude said death is the price to keep the [USA's] 2nd amendment.
People are genuinely surprised that someone out there will shoot that guy?
again I do not condone violently shooting someone in the head just because you don't like them and don't agree with them
But it's like something common everyone should know when a person cracks they can react very differently sometimes way too violently
celest dome
Some far right parties tried to make a minute of silence in the European court
Like 💀
queen laurel
Some far right parties tried to make a minute of silence in the European court
someone tried to hold a minute of silence to someone that condones gun violence
of course
dapper gyro
Some far right parties tried to make a minute of silence in the European court
🤦
The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.
All of those kids died by guns men never get those minute of silence from anywhere not immediate from where they died.
But that guy, he is a hero for saying that their deaths serve his purpose.
queen laurel
But that guy, he is a hero for saying that their deaths serve his purpose.
that's just a gut wrenching topic man
really makes my stomach spin
people want to have a minute of silence on someone like that
sigh
raven stone
You know
sadly
this is one of those moments where 40k parody skirts dangeoursly close to real life
the dispossessed will always find a self-annointed champion to rally behind to overthrow a system they don't think works.
raven stone
Especially the dude said death is the price to keep the [USA's] 2nd amendment.
As I said it before: My sympathy only extends to the fact that I have a feeling if we resurrected his spirit and asked if he would stick to the same point of view knowing he was shot, he would, most likely foolishly, insist "yes"
There is no force more to be feared than a stubborn zealot
outer wave
I feel sympathy for his kids yeah but ngl they're 100% better without him especi...
Yeah I feel bad for the family, but the guy himself? Nothing at all
near wasp
Ah great were talking about this again
outer wave
Sorry I was typing this up earlier then my class started
near wasp
Ah yeah because I don't like discussing a man who was fucking murdered on nation television
queen laurel
Ah yeah because I don't like discussing a man who was fucking murdered on nation...
OK but like it's normal for human to talk about something big
You can't expect everyone to just conform to what you want
near wasp
And how I don't like seeing people celebrating such an action. Like holy fuck I must be monster
queen laurel
And how I don't like seeing people celebrating such an action. Like holy fuck I ...
god you sound just like that guy from we aren't celebrating I literally said I do not condone the action but like we just said we don't feel sorry for the guy
dapper gyro
I'm not celebrating. I'm talking about the nuance around it.
queen laurel
Is that so hard
near wasp
god you sound just like that guy from we aren't celebrating I literally said I d...
You saw chat when it happened dude.
valid needle
The right hate empathy until something bad happens to their side I swear
Do you mean sympathy?
Empathy means feeling what someone else is feeling
near wasp
Do not fucking compare me to eternal
dapper gyro
I love guns, I use firearms more than many people, but having such opinion like rather have people die than gun control is just dumb.
queen laurel
You saw chat when it happened dude.
Yeah and it's just people talking about something quite big happening that's normal for humans but there are people who came in here saying we are apparently monsters and therefore we shouldn't talk about it because talking about it is celebrating about it
outer wave
Do you mean sympathy?
There was a while where some guy on Twitter was talking about how empathy was a sin
Also Charlie Kirk even straight up said that empathy was a current day issue as well
dapper gyro
I don't attack the guy, but his idea and the irony of the situation.
queen laurel
^
forest orbit
You saw chat when it happened dude.
I legit do not understand why you expect anyone to feel sympathy for a literal nazi.
lol
near wasp
Bro I don't even trust people who throw around the word nazi anymore
forest orbit
Sure buddy.
near wasp
I'm a slightly right leaning libertarian and I've been called a nazi frequently because I near Portland and I don't agree with the general population
storm jungle
He was a total piece of shit. Im not really gonna say much beyond the fact that he pretty much prospered the situation that lead to his demise lol.
Anyway yeah everyone chill out please and take a breath 
queen laurel
Sorry I got heated
I get it you don't like it it's not a good situation and not a fun one to think about but getting mad at people talking about something natural because it's a big thing is not gonna make you look good on anyone
storm jungle
Its fine, like I said everyone just relax, the topic is gonna come up because again literally international news due to how much the media is milking it compared to other events (down to just flag half-mast nonsense)
queen laurel
Yeah it's a big news and people talk about it That's normal, I get not liking it but getting mad at other people for talking about it
That's just weird man
outer wave
Sorry I got heated
Its chill, it happens to everyone, but yeah this IS pretty big news considering everything right now.
dapper gyro
I'm not even anti gun. You can ask me most stuff about firearms and I can answer you. But I will never say anything like Kirk said or did.
near wasp
I get it you don't like it it's not a good situation and not a fun one to think ...
My issue with it all is that even though charlie had opinions that many did not like he was willing to sit down with people and talk about those points one one. And he was murdered in a public way. It's gonna look like to many people that now you can't talk without being killed so it's just gonna fuel more violence
valid needle
Innocent girl is butchered on a bus and no one bats an eye but you assassinate one guy and everyone loses their minds
raven stone
Innocent girl is butchered on a bus and no one bats an eye but you assassinate o...
Do you mean the train thing? In all honesty there were a certain group that really did care a lot...
And the media kind of came very late to reporting that
near wasp
"it was some sort of celebratory shot kind of thing" -CNN reporting on the assassination
raven stone
Its fine, like I said everyone just relax, the topic is gonna come up because ag...
I should tell the Brit civvies to hang more flags to distract everyone :p
dapper gyro
There are other people got assassinated, yet I heard a lot "they asked for it."... But not much in this case.
queen laurel
My issue with it all is that even though charlie had opinions that many did not ...
i get it you're afraid what happens to him is just gonna become a trend of people taking justice to their own hands in a way that is irrational and fueled by hatred, but being sarcastic with a group of people just talking about the issue in a very common civil manner is not like a good look I get it it's bad it's not nice but getting mad at people talking about it it's just not good
it's natural for people to talk about something to get a bearing on something
understand it try to get how it why you know reason like that
When something is just too big for people to escape they may as well face it their own way
storm jungle
Innocent girl is butchered on a bus and no one bats an eye but you assassinate o...
This is what gets me the most yeah.
near wasp
Yeah and I'm discussing it in a calm manner now
But straight out comparing me to that price of shit eternal from the get go, not a good start to the convo
queen laurel
But straight out comparing me to that price of shit eternal from the get go, not...
My apologies on that you were literally like the third the one who came in sounding like why are you guys talking about it
summer mural
i hope they get nicolas cage to play the emperor of mankind someday tbh
dapper gyro
It is also why we should look at ourselves in the mirror from time to time.
near wasp
The emperor needs like multiple actors to play him
raven stone
i hope they get nicolas cage to play the emperor of mankind someday tbh
Sadly whoever gets casted will always get someone telling them they aren't good enough
raven stone
true
celest dome
Cage should be Tzeentch tbh
near wasp
My apologies on that you were literally like the third the one who came in sound...
Apology accepted
dapper gyro
Nic Cage carrying the D-C tier movies for starting directors for the last 10 years.
summer mural
although I really feel like he should have been in a videogame by now , with all the increasingly bigname actors getting in roles in em now
dapper gyro
His debts are gone 10 years ago.
summer mural
also not to diss anything keanu does, but I think he was a poor choice to cast as silverhand
near wasp
He was fine as silverhand
dapper gyro
Silverhand can be played by anyone really.
summer mural
like nic cage
queen laurel
Cage should be Tzeentch tbh
make jim carry play a Harlequin
near wasp
He's too old
dapper gyro
make jim carry play a Harlequin
A harlequin? Nah, the fucking laughing god itself.
summer mural
oh yeah
near wasp
Cegoragh would be better
queen laurel
He's too old
Counterpoint
near wasp
You guys know that one YouTuber who straight up can become a cartoon he need to be a harlequin
dapper gyro
shia labeouf can be Harleyquin, the dude is crazy.
dapper gyro
Nah, he can type act.
summer mural
he pretty much looks like a bulldog, he could definitely do it though, he can act
dapper gyro
Like how he lived as a homeless to be like a WW2 veteran for Fury, to be felt like time accurate...
In real life!
summer mural
method act yeah
i mean he can do it, hes done great acting in a lot of movies
revenge of the fallen doesnt count
unless you count that eye twitching classroom freak fest thing
dapper gyro
Like, Bale did crazy things, but he has class. Shia is full blow stupid.
summer mural
what does that have to do with his ability to play roles
near wasp
That one guy on YouTube has ability to just move so cartoony he'd be perfect
dapper gyro
So he can play questionable characters.
summer mural
even bale can do that, you dont have to be stupid for it
daring creek
I'm curious. Since Orks multiply from the spores they leave behind after dying. Aren't explosive weapons like the Bolter a horrible weapon against them?
summer mural
well
dapper gyro
I'm curious. Since Orks multiply from the spores they leave behind after dying. ...
Yes
near wasp
They're gonna spread either way
summer mural
i think they leave spores even if you kill them with laser precision one hits
near wasp
Using a flamer would be the only weapon that'd be good
celest dome
I'm curious. Since Orks multiply from the spores they leave behind after dying. ...
Those will burn the spore slightly
dapper gyro
However, explosive takes the of the immediate danger, then a cleaning crew with flamer finish it after the battle is done.
summer mural
although I dunno if blowing them up means they leave more spores
celest dome
Either copious amount of fire or doing rounds and exterminating the mushroom as they pop
summer mural
i wonder if they leave spores in space
queen laurel
I'm curious. Since Orks multiply from the spores they leave behind after dying. ...
yes
summer mural
like do orks spores grow in like a spacehulk
near wasp
Yes
queen laurel
the best is literally just using a flame thrower on them
queen laurel
like do orks spores grow in like a spacehulk
yes
it can grow in just about everywhere
dapper gyro
Flamer does stop them spread, but it is not actually effective vs orks.
near wasp
Space hulks are usually infested
dapper gyro
Especially that many are armoured.
queen laurel
like do orks spores grow in like a spacehulk
near wasp
If a flamer can kill an space Marine it'll kill an armored ork
queen laurel
i assumed they needed uh some kind of soil, even artifical one
They can live in acidic swamps and radioactive asteroid fields
trust me they are a hardy bunch
summer mural
mhm
dapper gyro
Well, Orks do have guns, too... so I hope that your framer has the reach.
summer mural
they got big dakka too
like those orks I forgot, the heavy weapons one, who walk around carrying looted plasma guns and heavy bolters
dapper gyro
They have artillery and counter battery, too...
queen laurel
Well, Orks do have guns, too... so I hope that your framer has the reach.
or you unfortunately meet a Burna boy
dapper gyro
So yeah, explosive is still the better immediate solution.
summer mural
like those orks I forgot, the heavy weapons one, who walk around carrying loote...
Flash Gitz
yeah flash gitz im pretty sure, those boys have BIG guns
dapper gyro
Unless you start to use DAOT weapons or Necrons.
dapper gyro
If you are not a SM, then flamer vs Ork is asking for immediate demise.
queen laurel
Unless you start to use DAOT weapons or Necrons.
By the way on the fly orks can literally turn their flamethrowers into cutting torches with enough strength to cut through Terminators
dapper gyro
So it is a glorified blow torch?
summer mural
yes
near wasp
Orks are scary
queen laurel
So it is a glorified blow torch?
yes burnas are cutting torch and also flamethrower
plucky moth
Orks are visionaries and innovators
queen laurel
Orks are visionaries and innovators
Yeah it's usually how do we throw this rock further than we have now with a catapult, we get a bigger rock and turn that into a drop pod
dapper gyro
like, the RAF spitfires and mustang airforce is crazy
That's a Mig-15...
queen laurel
they are visionaries and innovators when it comes to bludgeoning your head in
summer mural
melee orks I find..okay, but like the orks with shootas and flash gitz with their 1 million warmachines and mekboys is wack
queen laurel
melee orks I find..okay, but like the orks with shootas and flash gitz with thei...
That's just the bad moons
that is literally just the bad moons
near wasp
Dakka is dakka
queen laurel
They could pack enough firepower to humble tau gun line
near wasp
Mooms 
queen laurel
Mooms <:PU_FeelsKekMan:855154600507736094>
I will activate the eternal switch again do not test me
near wasp
You know what fair
summer mural
tau gun like is crazy too, though its not as cool as orks, because orks got all that ballistic gunpowder going off nonstop
plucky moth
tau tech is very cool in that it's very different to the usual 40k vibe
dapper gyro
Tau weapons is what humanity could have been.
summer mural
tau certainly have disgustingly strong tech
queen laurel
tau tech is very cool in that it's very different to the usual 40k vibe
Battle suits go hard
summer mural
like imagine going into trench warfare against an army filled with dudes who have a massive amount of precision railgun delete buttons and flying battlesuits
plucky moth
Battle suits go hard
40k gundams
queen laurel
40k gundams
i'm a personal fan of the riptide battlesuit
summer mural
i like the big one
the uber one
i forgot what its called
the biggest one
with the cannons on the back
queen laurel
i forgot what its called <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
KX139 Ta'unar Supremacy Armour
summer mural
yah that one
queen laurel
Also known as the compensating for something and doing it well suit
misty vector
do tau control the suits by plugging their nerves in like humans?
summer mural
imagine being like yo " I got my 5000 year old imperial knight bucket of bolts with motorized chainsword yeah!!" and then that thing just shows up on the battlefield and pops you open like a can of tuna
the drukhari dont use big stuff do they
summer mural
except for pain engines I guess
also I guess it doesnt really fit into their style of being raiders and kidnappers
queen laurel
Just the brain
summer mural
and sun kidnappers
near wasp
They use monstrositys
misty vector
neat 
summer mural
are their monstrosities that big
well
children of bone make em huge apparently
what do they do if like a bunch of wraithlords attack em, do they just start blowing them up with dark matter bs
near wasp
Don't they continue to grow rapidly until they just die or am I thinking of something else
summer mural
dunno
summer mural
well, gw doesnt care about them, dark eldar that is, look at how they treat poor vect
near wasp
Isn't he dead
vagrant fox
Vect is alive and chilling
storm jungle
Isn't he dead
He "died" and was put on a public funeral by mayne cartel I MEAN kabal leaders
then he had them killed and had himself resurrected from their anguish
LITERALLY just to be a troll btw
near wasp
Chad
vagrant fox
Standard procedure for Vect
storm jungle
Also he had the kabal archons he killed resurrected
just as a flex
and also a "i own you losers" thing
summer mural
also someone showed me this fanart of raven guard fighting mandrakes in an abandoned temple, and that fight as a concept is so cool, its like a super bloodthirsty, savage stealth battle
near wasp
and also a "i own you losers" thing
He's so extra
storm jungle
Hes essentially a diva yeah lol
this is the same guy
who sent a coffin of gifts to a "pal" of his
||(it had a blackhole inside it)||
near wasp
Nahhhh
storm jungle
Yeah
also last example
one of his rival archons tried to breakaway from Commorragh in his own subrealm.
Vect dealt with it by opening a webway portal above his giant palace and dropping a ruined imperial cruiser ontop of it, blowing everything up.
hes such a cunt, i cant even explain it
summer mural
vect sounds like the dark elf malekith aspired to be.
storm jungle
Basically yeah lmao
near wasp
Didn't he ascend to power by baiting the imperium into killing all his rivals
storm jungle
this man is so untouchable he literally had himself assassinated to make a point
storm jungle
Didn't he ascend to power by baiting the imperium into killing all his rivals
Yeah that was like WAY back
vagrant fox
Very megamind, being a supervillain is all about the presentation
storm jungle
he let 2-3 Chapter companies into the higher echelons of commorragh to let all the noble houses be killed then let them escape to take over in the power vacuum.
summer mural
well
storm jungle
Yeah this was in like M35
storm jungle
Vect was born a lowly slave in Commorragh. Carving a bloody path through the city using a combination of deception and his own wits, Vect climbed the ladder of Commorragh and founded the Kabal of the Black Heart. By the time the arrogant nobility of Commorragh acknowledged that the low-born Vect could pose a legitimate threat,[2a] it was too late and by 984.M35 with a pact signed to the Masque of the Veiled Path[9], Vect had forcibly united the disparate sub-realms of the Dark City into his fold.[2a]
Vect then captured the Salamanders Space Marine Strike Cruiser Forgehammer, which provoked an Imperial invasion of Commorragh itself. In the ensuing battle, the Lords of Commorragh were killed by the vengeful Space Marine forces and Vect emerged as the undisputed ruler of the Dark City
The damage the marines did basically didnt matter, dark eldar can just spawn more of themselves through vatborn.
it was a very smart play
summer mural
does the imperium even know who runs commorragh
summer mural
fair enough
storm jungle
also essentially endless
near wasp
The imperium didn't even know the silent king was real until he showed up on there doorstep
summer mural
well
summer mural
that one is kinda understandable
storm jungle
silent king has been around since the 5th edition necron codex
so he WAS actually in the galaxy for like over 20+ IRL years
just never mentioned in any big capacity
summer mural
well yeah, he never went to sleep in lore right
storm jungle
Yeah he has been awake for over 60 million years
storm jungle
its his own self-imposed penance for dooming his race
near wasp
Well yeah gw can't just let the setting progress
storm jungle
Well yeah gw can't just let the setting progress
Yeah that too
queen laurel
its his own self-imposed penance for dooming his race
and then he met the hungry hungry dinosaurs
storm jungle
people assumed he came back with 9th edition
summer mural
hes just been floating around on his dias with ctan shard warming his chair
and his mute af advisors
although its pretty cool there are triarch praetorians who havent slept ever either and have been roaming around the galaxy
~~ and they totally founded ancient egypt on prospero back in the day~~
summer mural
just like in real life
dapper gyro
Live leak footage of Pariah Nexus
summer mural
how people expect a 40k battle to go vs how they actually go
dapper gyro
Table top vs lore
languid meadow
the new Chorf short story is cool
summer mural
arctic talon
I’m just shortening chaos duradin
summer mural
phew
arctic talon
Wait no
queen laurel
https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-gif-20710889
they call themselves in lore Zharradon
languid meadow
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ylhfookl/chronicles-of-ruin-forged-in-darkness/ they're called Helsmiths of Hashut in AoS
arctic talon
Its hellsmiths of hashut
languid meadow
their army at least
queen laurel
like kharadron overlords
arctic talon
With the new one
summer mural
calling them Legions of Aosgorh is a missed opportunity
opaque coyote
its his own self-imposed penance for dooming his race
Nah that's a lie clearly. Bro took 5 bottles of 24 hour energy before being biotransferred.
And now he can't even go into sleep mode even when he wants to
queen laurel
calling them Legions of Aosgorh is a missed opportunity
Zharrdron it's what the chaos dwarves call their race in aos
summer mural
i see
i hope they flesh em out, they got much more scope in aos than they did in fantasy
potentially.
languid meadow
But uh yeah the new short story is cool
queen laurel
i hope they flesh em out, they got much more scope in aos than they did in fanta...
Imagine mixing all three of the order dwarves factions and then twisting it into the worst image you can imagine
that's what they are
near wasp
Somebody pissed off the machine spirits at work and now calls are randomly dropping
summer mural
tbh
they should give em something cool like corrupting that gold the fyreslayers slap on their bellies
ur gold?
near wasp
Gold is pure
queen laurel
ur gold?
Probably not gonna happen because that thing is literally filled with the violent essence of a war God the fire slayers worship
and besides them no one knows how to harness that power
summer mural
good, let hashut turn it into slag for daemonic weapons
or whomever is doing hashuts thing
queen laurel
good, let hashut turn it into slag for daemonic weapons
OK but why do that when they could just literally do the same thing with much cheaper and much less hassle materials that is demons
summer mural
to troll fyreslayers of course
arctic talon
I’m going to enjoy killing them with trees
near wasp
Ok wood elf
queen laurel
to troll fyreslayers of course
Trust me they would be doing something way different and corrupting grimnir like trying to calm down a meth addict who already inhaled his daily meth intake
queen laurel
Ok wood elf
sorry mate Sylvaneth might have been once elves but they are literally just living trees now
queen laurel
Jokes aside I want to play into them
They seem like a snow ball army though
arctic talon
They do
valid needle
sorry mate Sylvaneth might have been once elves but they are literally just livi...
Mf that groot?
queen laurel
Like those demon point accumulation mechanics seem like something you want to stop them from doing
arctic talon
They also seem pretty elite
summer mural
chorfs?
arctic talon
Yeah chorfs
summer mural
chorfs tend to be elite yeah
arctic talon
Gobs are horde trash
near wasp
They are literally wooden elves
Congrats on being a dad
summer mural
chaff
arctic talon
Congrats on being a dad
I don’t have the money to raise a child smh
Would be nice though LOL
queen laurel
Gobs are horde trash
Yes so I feel like everyone who will be fighting them will do everything in their power to avoid them from accumulating those demonic points
Because if you let them horrifying things are gonna meet you
dapper gyro
I don’t have the money to raise a child smh
You can sell the child to make money. Basic economic.
summer mural
do they have a faction leader type yet
queen laurel
do they have a faction leader type yet
yes
summer mural
also do they still have stone curse thingie
arctic talon
also do they still have stone curse thingie
Yes
near wasp
Xbox
hallow saddle
theyve not got any epic hero characters yet
arctic talon
Yeah no named dudes yet
summer mural
i hope they do make a new one, i dont like the chorfs leaders enough to want them to be reincarnated in some way
hallow saddle
GOD i love chaos dwarffs
summer mural
the named ones that is
summer mural
and the gorth
opaque coyote
Guess who actually said this quote?
celest dome
Guess who actually said this quote?
Isn't it in RL
queen laurel
Not a big named dude
What do you mean they have no big name dude
This is their legendary character Urak Tarr
summer mural
i might have been referring to the ogre metal bull guy
opaque coyote
Isn't it in RL
Yup
arctic talon
What do you mean they have no big name dude
This is their legendary character...
I forgor
celest dome
I know the one
summer mural
was there a chorf metal bull guy
opaque coyote
I know the one
That's why quizzing you all on who said it
summer mural
also im not referring to taurox, the actual metal bull guy
celest dome
was there a chorf metal bull guy
There was meant to be one, for the Tamurkan novel sequel
opaque coyote
I will give two imaginary dollars if you guess correctly
celest dome
Which never happened
opaque coyote
However, they're only considered tenure in Lala land
celest dome
I will give two imaginary dollars if you guess correctly
||Trump||
opaque coyote
opaque coyote
||Trump||
Ding ding ding ding
Congratulations
You get two imaginary dollars
To spend in Lala land!
The fact that this is a real fucking quote from a leader of a country
Let alone one of the biggest ones
Is uh
Certainly a proof that we are definitely in a wild ass timeline
queen laurel
I thought it was only the generic one
he's like Mozrog you can build him into a generic Daemonsmith on a infernal taurus
arctic talon
They might bring this dude back
opaque coyote
Listen. At least in Cyberpunk
queen laurel
that's the reason why you probably forgot
summer mural
where are the aos chorfs living? in aqshy?
opaque coyote
queen laurel
where are the aos chorfs living? in aqshy?
no in ghur actually
in this setting that's why the bull centaurs are a thing
arctic talon
where are the aos chorfs living? in aqshy?
Everywhere mostly aqshy and ghur
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queen laurel
hashut manifesting the power of the realm into trampling everything he hates
arctic talon
wtf are they gona do with the Legion of Azgorh
queen laurel
because he got the annoying realm apparently
queen laurel
He didn't like it
arctic talon
Call them a subgroup of hellsmiths now
queen laurel
So decided to just **** it
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infernal guard are cool, the concept of them having slayer like penance and wearing those molten helms was dope
queen laurel
Use the power of the realms to make centaur dwarves
celest dome
infernal guard are cool, the concept of them having slayer like penance and wear...
I love the ironic thing with them that they can fullfil their oath
And be released from it
arctic talon
Chaos is more forgiving
celest dome
Though being released from it mean they pry the mask off
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also just wearing molten helm , packing guns and heavy armor as penance is so much more sensible than being a redheaded naked berserker
unless you're gotrek
queen laurel
Chaos is more forgiving
Oh the reaction I remember when you found out they were in ghur
genuinely the most distraught emotion i have seen of you
opaque coyote
Oh the reaction I remember when you found out they were in ghur
GW when they make a change:
opaque coyote
arctic talon
AoS 3e was all in fucking ghur
queen laurel
GW when they make a change:
OK you don't understand like last edition they were literally the main realm
arctic talon
AoS 4e is back in fucking ghur
queen laurel
so i can kind of get why he is crashing out
summer mural
ulgu is being reserved for naggarond 2.0
opaque coyote
OK you don't understand like last edition they were literally the main realm
Yeah I'm making fun of the fact that GW makes a lot of bad choices
celest dome
When thye'll do a TW AoS it'll just be Ghur
opaque coyote
near wasp
I don't know fantasy/aos so I have no idea what's going on
arctic talon
When thye'll do a TW AoS it'll just be Ghur <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
God I know it
queen laurel
When thye'll do a TW AoS it'll just be Ghur <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I love that place and I swear to God I will skin you
arctic talon
I don't know fantasy/aos so I have no idea what's going on
GW had an entire edition where the main focus was basically one planet/continent.
and then they went back to it this edition
queen laurel
Even I can only take so much of skull island
celest dome
I love that place and I swear to God I will skin you
I have no ill will toward it
arctic talon
I don’t even dislike ghur
opaque coyote
I love that place and I swear to God I will skin you
I think that's partially why the fanbase complains about even minor changes.
Because it is at least an 60% that the change they make is dogshit lmao
arctic talon
We’re just in ghur too much
lol
It’s cool, I do actually like it
I don’t like how over saturated it is
queen laurel
I don't know fantasy/aos so I have no idea what's going on
ghur in aos it's basically a realm of monsters and survival of the fitness even with plants it's basically skull island
summer mural
just base them in aqshy and a smaller kingdom in ghur, they probably love aqshy
opaque coyote
Get burned once, it hurts
Get burned twice, it might hurt
Get burned hundreds of times, I am stuck in a cave. Please stop using a flametrheoer
near wasp
Get burned once, it hurts
Get burned twice, it might hurt
Get burned hundred...
Why is this so funny
queen laurel
considers it their home base
arctic talon
just base them in aqshy and a smaller kingdom in ghur, they probably love aqshy
They’re both in aqshy and ghur in major portions
So it’s both
queen laurel
I have no ill will toward it
i love ghur but if i have to stare at that for 20 times a day every time i play i would not like it
summer mural
is hashut still their goto bestie
arctic talon
We’ll get more like
opaque coyote
Oh yeah also on a completely unrelated note.
I remembered that the reinforced combat armor actually exists in Fallout New Vegas only.
I forgot how ugly it fucking looks
arctic talon
Lore on them
queen laurel
i want realm variety
arctic talon
is hashut still their goto bestie
Yes
summer mural
eh
opaque coyote
i want realm variety
In the grim darkness of the 21st century.
Ghur is the only region.
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I wish theyd make it like drazhoath displace hashut as their new bull bro or something lmao
opaque coyote
celest dome
So how likely is it that the Chaos Dwarf will have some bullshit train system that work as their planar transport
opaque coyote
So how likely is it that the Chaos Dwarf will have some bullshit train system th...
100%
queen laurel
So how likely is it that the Chaos Dwarf will have some bullshit train system th...
very high
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itl probably be a flying train by this point
arctic talon
So how likely is it that the Chaos Dwarf will have some bullshit train system th...
100%
dapper gyro
Oh yeah also on a completely unrelated note.
I remembered that the reinforced c...
Airsoft enjoyer I guess.
opaque coyote
Trains are the most efficient
Like
Even in Combine in Half Life 2 uses trains
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also having hashut as the bull guy feels kinda weird because all the lumineth elves are running with bull paraphernalia which while different just looks odd
arctic talon
also having hashut as the bull guy feels kinda weird because all the lumineth el...
There’s a bull earth spirit
opaque coyote
Able to go through any terrain as long as we build a railway
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theres too much Bull shit
queen laurel
So how likely is it that the Chaos Dwarf will have some bullshit train system th...
funny thing is they aren't even the most technologically advanced faction of dwarves
opaque coyote
Trains are great
Did I mention that I have auti-
arctic talon
If a city of sigmar has a tram system
celest dome
They're not really the same types of bulls I think
arctic talon
They're not really the same types of bulls I think
They’re not
opaque coyote
The chorfs can have an inter realm train system
The trains are possessed by daemons
arctic talon
But it is a shared thing
celest dome
funny thing is they aren't even the most technologically advanced faction of dwa...
Never were 😎
opaque coyote
They have to beat up the engine to prevent the train from derailing because the Daemon wants out
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they arent, its just weird since they are still like..two bulls ?? idk
near wasp
Chaos dwafts can't have trains because they are things of order
opaque coyote
Chaos dwafts can't have trains because they are things of order
They can be chaotic as well though
Have you seen Japanese Tram system maps
celest dome
They’re not
Leant more of the bull shape, like the Chaos Dwarf have more of the Spanish bulls
opaque coyote
Have you seen Japanese Tram system maps
Actually the closest thing we have to a map of Tzeentch's library
celest dome
While the Elven ones kind of make me think of Highlands cows
opaque coyote
How the fuck does anybody know where to go
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also they should flesh out the chorf faction so much that they can handle all the duardin factions, give them like flaming zeppelins with hellcannons or something
arctic talon
How the fuck does anybody know where to go
It’s not that bad
lol
Unfortunately GW has a big Order bias in AoS
For better or for worse
opaque coyote
Dude, it looks like a bunch of colored lines
arctic talon
Hopefully they can balance it out
arctic talon
Dude, it looks like a bunch of colored lines
You must read it smh
opaque coyote
Add some Japanese words
arctic talon
It becomes more comprehensible
opaque coyote
"look a Japanese Tram system map"
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you dont need to look at the actual map
celest dome
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you can just choose a destination at the ticket counter, including the automated one, and itl tell you the color
then just look at the color
you dont have to see every line
opaque coyote
you can just choose a destination at the ticket counter, including the automated...
That is exactly why it is tzeentchian
You don't need to
It compels you to try and decipher it
The only way is to ignore it
Don't let it's chaotic whispers tempt you
arctic talon
you dont have to see every line
Yeah but my mom made me practice Japanese by reading it
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arctic talon
It did work
opaque coyote
this sounds more like a khorne problem
If it was a Khorne problem, it would be all red
arctic talon
I still suck at reading Japanese compared to Chinese
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If it was a Khorne problem, it would be all red
i think thats all you're seeing on the map
opaque coyote
i think thats all you're seeing on the map <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Maybe.
Me no like color
Me like red
Me rev chain axe
New path
Clap
Steal passerby skull
near wasp
Part of me wants to build a chainsword
opaque coyote
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"steal"
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Part of me wants to build a chainsword
i think theres a legit tutorial online
complete with demo
opaque coyote
"steal"
Yeah I just yoink it out of them
Like I just grab their scalp
And just rip the skull out
Easy
near wasp
i think theres a legit tutorial online
I feel bad for who ever breaks into my house
opaque coyote
They barely even notice
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the practical problem with chainsword is the same as the one with an actual chainsaw, it needs fucking fuel
arctic talon
Chainsword wouldn’t be hard to build in theory lol
Assuming you like have a chainsaw
opaque coyote
the practical problem with chainsword is the same as the one with an actual chai...
Also the actual chain part isn't good for like
Anything other than wood
celest dome
The problem is it being just worse than a Chainsaw, and worse than a sword
near wasp
I mean the fuel only needs to last like a few seconds tbg
young pecan
Aren't chainswords like "Made Special" or something
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Also the actual chain part isn't good for like
Anything other than wood
yeah but thats for the joy of using it on flesh, not the efficiency of it
young pecan
Carbide edges or some such
opaque coyote
The problem is it being just worse than a Chainsaw, and worse than a sword
Like using a chainsaw like it's a horror movie won't work
Primarily because it'll get stuck
And maybe even unravel and hit you instead
I just assume the Imperium has more durable chains
And a miniscule battery that lasts longer
near wasp
They use promethium
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power weapon on the other hand would be dope
opaque coyote
power weapon on the other hand would be dope
Honestly I have thought about wearing a guardsman costume for Halloween
Just like
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as a catachan?
opaque coyote
Put on a military costume with "body armor"
near wasp
Lol
opaque coyote
But idk how I would make the lasgun
near wasp
Just don't do cadian
arctic talon
Aren't chainswords like "Made Special" or something
They also don’t work like irl chainsaws
When they get caught
near wasp
Or do and have a jar of dirt
arctic talon
They start sawing back and forth
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i think you should go as ferrus, you just wear a giant suit of inflatable body armor with no head
opaque coyote
Just don't do cadian
I thought of Krieger because
I still love their drip
vagrant fox
~~I still suck at reading Japanese compared to Chinese~~
Is it that bad, it's mostly the kanji that's difficult and they have a chinese origin
arctic talon
Rather then just going in one direction
near wasp
I thought of Krieger because
I still love their drip
There drop immaculate, their fans not so much
arctic talon
Is it that bad, it's mostly the kanji that's difficult and they have a chinese o...
Its just familiarity and drilling, i just need a moment sometimes
lol
arctic talon
Chinese I can read without any real issue
near wasp
Make a foam plasma gun
opaque coyote
Or a laser pointer
arctic talon
Japanese my brain needs to think a bit sometimes
opaque coyote
Flashlight would be funny due to the nickname
But laser pointer would be more accurate
arctic talon
I can read stuff like a menu/newspaper
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you can actually use a nerf gun and paint it green tbh, and stick a flashlight, nerf guns look like lasguns in design
near wasp
Use plastic tubing with florescent dye as coils
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mostly
opaque coyote
But I haven't really made my own cosplay before
arctic talon
I just read it slower lol
opaque coyote
you can actually use a nerf gun and paint it green tbh, and stick a flashlight, ...
Yeah I thought about that and taping a laser pointer on it
vagrant fox
Its just familiarity and drilling, i just need a moment sometimes
Valid, it's a peculiar feeling seeing a chinese sentence and picking out parts because of overlap with kanji
Then I get to something that doesn't exist in Japanese and it throws me for a loop
opaque coyote
And then turning it on if I want to
arctic talon
I would say I am fully literate in mandarin Chinese
opaque coyote
"shoot"
opaque coyote
Have considered Cadian but I don't want to use contacts to mimic the eye color
arctic talon
Less smooth
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nah go as a catachan
opaque coyote
Because I hate putting stuff on my eyes
arctic talon
You’re gona need some roids
opaque coyote
nah go as a catachan
Not muscular enough
arctic talon
lol
near wasp
Have considered Cadian but I don't want to use contacts to mimic the eye color
Don't worry about it they don't have purple eyes anymore
opaque coyote
Don't worry about it they don't have purple eyes anymore
Yeah but like that is one of their defining features
You think of Cadia. There are two things.
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just go as a homeless person in kevlar, there, cadian.
arctic talon
just go as a homeless person in kevlar, there, cadian.
Average cyberpunk homeless person
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and make sure to bring up cadia every chance you get, thats the defining cadian quality
opaque coyote
https://tenor.com/view/fall-of-cadia-cadia-battlefleet-gothic-gif-25242351
Pegi 12
As they show a fucking planet being blown up
near wasp
What it's not graphic or gory
opaque coyote
just go as a homeless person in kevlar, there, cadian.
Tbf that is literally ever generic guardsman
near wasp
Technically child safe
opaque coyote
Technically child safe
Robot moment
I was actually surprised when watching Transformers One
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Tbf that is literally ever generic guardsman
well yes, but most guardsmen arent homeless, the cadian living situation is...scattered at the moment
opaque coyote
Like I know that "robot is fine to die in brutal manners"
But it still genuinely surprised me seeing Sentinel Prime get fucking torn in half
near wasp
It was awesome
opaque coyote
Hell, the pipes and circuits acted like guts and viscera
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well that movie was wack because optimus was so utterly ruthless
sentinel was all defeated and was like " forgive mee forgive mee im your old friend " and optimus shot him in the face
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sentinel prime is in-ohhhhh
near wasp
Bros thinking of a different movie
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that one
opaque coyote
Gets his brains blown out
I love how each sentinel prime death gets more and more violent
Transformers One was easily more brutal than even the Michael Bay series for Prime's death specifically
Like you see Sentinel fucking howling in agony
As Megatron tears him in half while screaming
near wasp
Glory kill
opaque coyote
His circuits fucking snapping in half
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opaque coyote
Although tbf Transformers One was actually partially directed by Michael Bay
So
Maybe he saw an opportunity to one up his own Sentinel Prime death
opaque coyote
I dislike the character (I love to hate him), but Sentinel Prime's design is genuinely pretty good
Even has the whole faux religious look down
Emperor looking ahh
near wasp
I like sentinel because he's such an asshole but he's so charismatic
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so
near wasp
But he's also the scum of the earth
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which transformers lore is the canon one, lets exclude the bay movies
opaque coyote
But he's also the scum of the earth
I feel like the twist wasn't that he was evil. Like that is obvious
But the twist was how evil he actually is
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like which is the main main transformers lore before the bay movies existed
opaque coyote
like which is the main main transformers lore before the bay movies existed
There is no main one
...
near wasp
The twist was he ripped out there cogs and was kneeling to the quintessons
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figured
opaque coyote
Primarily because even at the advent of G1
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thats why its all fuckin over the place
opaque coyote
There was the Japanese TV show
The American TV show
The Marvel Comics
And another set of comics
It was fucking wack even at the very beginning
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theres like 120 different versions of what happened on cybertron before they came to earth
opaque coyote
Basically think of it as mythology
Same characters but their personalities and back stories are fluid
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what I do remember from one of the adaptations is that hotshot was like a big deal main character type of guy
opaque coyote
Hell G1 didn't even have Megatron and Optimus's "Ex-friend" relationship.
Megatron in G1 was literally just
An asshole
That part was made for later adaptations
But in the OG cartoon, Megatron was literally just an asshole
The reason why Optimus became Optimus in G1 was purely because Megatron shot him and left him to die
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and there was one where some teenagers were running around on scooters and wheelies and those were some minicon dudes who could fuse with the transformers to make them chad
dapper gyro
OG carton Megatron is just cartoonish.
opaque coyote
OG carton Megatron is just cartoonish.
I love him.
Frank Weller does an amazing job voicing him
near wasp
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-one-megatron-d-16-transformers-hasbro-gif-60...
Beautiful scene
opaque coyote
"WE WILL SUCK THIS EARTH PLANET. DRY!!'
near wasp
Might go rewatch tbh
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actually, whats consistent in all of them is that starscream and megatron have a toxic relationship
opaque coyote
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and starscream always runs away to "survive"
opaque coyote
and starscream always runs away to "survive"
One adaptation actually does away with that
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also because he can fly at ultrasonic speed
opaque coyote
Armada has Starscream be a valiant and brave warrior
And puts focus on the abusive relationship
More of an abusive student and teacher relationship
Rather than "MEGATRON HAS FALLEN. I, STARSCREAM, SHALL BE YOUR NEW LEADER! DECEPTICONS FOLLOW ME!"
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so whats like the actual backstory of what happens on cybertron
like..megatron is fighting?
autobots are rebels?
they lose?
idk
dapper gyro
Don't forget Starscream
Starcream is the guy in most Transformer shows, bar Bay's movies.
opaque coyote
so whats like the actual backstory of what happens on cybertron
Differs per adaptation.
But currently it generally it goes...
Decepticons were originally made because they were disgruntled slaves and/or military men.
With Megatron at the helm
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yeah generally
opaque coyote
With Optimus and Megatron being friends
Before not being friends due to differing views on how the system should be made
Either reformed or destroyed
celest dome
So basically the Decepticons were getting revenge on the Autobot for having enslaved them ?
opaque coyote
So basically the Decepticons were getting revenge on the Autobot for having ensl...
Originally yes, but it quickly devolves into a complex war
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autobots were a later faction iirc, that were rebelling?
queen laurel
Differs per adaptation.
But currently it generally it goes...
Decepticons were...
My favorite will always be Grimlock
opaque coyote
There are a lot of differences
For example, in G1, the decepticons were actually war robots
Due to them having no war to fight
They turned on the very citizens
With Megatron in particular being tailor made to be blood thirsty
opaque coyote
My favorite will always be Grimlock
Also G1 Hot Rod is genuinely my favorite
He is basically a soldier that stepped up to be a leader after Optimus's death
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yeah ik hotrod is supposed to be one of the main characters
and one of the better good guys
opaque coyote
yeah ik hotrod is supposed to be one of the main characters
Basically he came about because in the G1 cartoon
Optimus fucking dies
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based
opaque coyote
Basically this was due to a multitude of factors
But basically, execs didn't understand that killing off characters might actually traumatize children
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opaque coyote
After the very first Transformer movie, there was a case of like
A kid being so traumatized by Optimus's death
That he locked himself in a room for three straight days
opaque coyote
Tbf all the deaths in the OG movie were brutal. Despite it being made for children
Like
It's awfully similar to like actual deaths
They get shot
They immediately die
No fanfare
Characters who were prominent in the cartoon
Who had full arcs
Literally just die in one shot
Like fodder
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also was there actually a goddamn interspace travelling transformer bounty hunter named lockdown
opaque coyote
That includes Optimus btw
Died by a sneak attack from Megatron because Hot Rod fucked up and accidentally became a hostage after trying to wrestle the gun from Megatron
@summer mural it's also wild since the G1 cartoon was pretty obviously like
For kids
Like the lasers might as well be Lasguns from the tabletop
They did nothing
And then suddenly in the movie, they just fucking die in a single shot
Huge tonal difference
opaque coyote
well
Like imagine being some 5 year old kid in the 1980s.
Excited to see your favorite toys in the big screen.
And then you see this scene:
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personally id disagree with them and tell the transformers they dont have feelings
and they should get on with it
opaque coyote
https://youtu.be/umwZ8qVorwo?si=_xNpJzLe1ZQzsMc-
Also that scene has so much aura
I'm sorry but seeing Starscream scanning the area with Megatron transformed as his gun is fucking awesome
opaque coyote
Btw the autobots that die are literally lkke
Popular major characters
Ironhide is usually characterized as a grizzled veteran
Alive for millions of years through the war, usually older than Optimus
And he just gets executed in a single shot with zero fanfare
Fucking awesome
opaque coyote
oh yeah I remember laserbeak was a big deal
I suggest you watch the G1 cartoon
It isn't... like... good
But it is fucking entertaining as shit
Basically due to it being like the beginning of transformers in general.
They threw a lot of shit at the wall.
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i cant lol, i tried watching a bunch of old cartoons recently and I realized im one of those people who can only handle dated animation to a point
opaque coyote
So you have a lot of crazy shit that will literally never be seen again
Next to things that are defining for the franchise
opaque coyote
i cant lol, i tried watching a bunch of old cartoons recently and I realized im ...
That is exactly why you should watch it.
It is
Utterly stupid
Do not take it seriously
It is however
Very entertaining
One of the first episodes is having the decepticons become fucking wasted from energon
And being too drunk to effectively fight
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the only cartoon im considering rewatching is beyblade
opaque coyote
i cant lol, i tried watching a bunch of old cartoons recently and I realized im ...
Tbh I have a hard time watching the Michael Bay movies
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because I never finished it
opaque coyote
Not even because of like
The quality
It's because there is so many moving parts in each transformer that it genuinely becomes hard to identify and follow
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the michael bay movies are filled with a lot of garbage yes
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yeah ik what you mean
like my friend went to watch it and he was like " dude after the first 20 minutes i had no idea what was happening, it was just a bunch of noise and machines slapping into each other"
opaque coyote
like my friend went to watch it and he was like " dude after the first 20 minute...
Like I prefer the old ass "I need to finish this in 20 minutes or my boss will kill me" animation
Because at least I can fucking look at it
At least I can understand what is going on
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transformers 1 had a beginning middle and end
the others just kept going on and on about random shit
opaque coyote
the others just kept going on and on about random shit
I like Transformers 3 because of the fight scenes
Like the choreography is genuinely pretty good in spite of the several moving parts
opaque coyote
Also seeing humans actually like
Fight back against transformers
Using tactics
I get that it's part of the contract to glaze the military
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its a michael bay thing
opaque coyote
But it is genuinely pretty cool to see people actually fight back
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he loves the military
opaque coyote
he loves the military
To get most of the action parts like the explosions and shit
dapper gyro
He loves the military, but he doesn't give a fuck about accuracy.
opaque coyote
He signed a contract with the military
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He loves the military, but he doesn't give a fuck about accuracy.
of course not
he just loves to hype it
dapper gyro
Spielberg movies, when the military appears, it is always so much more accurate.
opaque coyote
He loves the military, but he doesn't give a fuck about accuracy.
My guy just wants to blow things up
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the marine corp and navy cant land battalions of tanks and troops next to the pyramids by sea carrier in a few hours because a guy called lol
dapper gyro
In the 1st Bay movie, the fucking helicopter was in middle of a military base and take no damage for anything.
In the later movie, LMG can blind and damage the bots easily...
opaque coyote
In the later movie, LMG can blind and damage the bots easily...
Tbf most of the bots it damaged were fodder (tm)
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also john torturro being a random nobody and calling a naval destroyer from a gunship via sat phone and browbeating their commander to fire their EXPERIMENTAL RAILGUN at the pyramids isnt happening either
near wasp
Gonna watch transformer one for the resty time at work
dapper gyro
Oh, even the ancient bots that are supposed to be stronger?
Even starcream was bodied by human infantry...
opaque coyote
Even starcream was bodied by human infantry...
dapper gyro
Starcream is supposed to be much stronger than the other bots, including he heli one, as well.
opaque coyote
Wrong clip
opaque coyote
Starcream is supposed to be much stronger than the other bots, including he heli...
Right clip
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starscream just has a craven personality
he is quite strong
just doesnt really get into fighting to my last breath kinda thing
well
near wasp
That's what we call being smart
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"breath"
near wasp
Warhammer has just conditioned us into death fights
opaque coyote
That's what we call being smart
A key part of G1 Starscream's characterization is that he was actually almost always right
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plus starscream has always had the advantage of being able to fly off at supersonic speeds
so he does
opaque coyote
Always poking holes in Megatron's plan
They usually forget that though
Like G1 Starscream specifically was a scientist
He is intelligent
The problem is that intelligence is NOT what the deceptions value
summer mural
i remember shockwave was like one of the big heavy hitters, like hed fight fight
opaque coyote
i remember shockwave was like one of the big heavy hitters, like hed fight fight
He usually is
That's why Bay was disappointing
He is also like Magos level of insane bre
He casually does war crimes and is lobotomized to have zero empathy
dapper gyro
Like I said earlier, aside from Bay movies, Starcream is the GUY.
summer mural
idr
arctic talon
in the bay movies no