40k-lore-chat

[crisp heath]

Or something like this

[storm jungle]

I THINK so?

[paper haven]

The inquisition is as much a risk to the average citizen as the forces of Chaos and Xenos

[vagrant fox]

"by November 1923, one US dollar was worth 4,210,500,000,000 marks."
It was completely and utterly worthless money, they just burnt it to keep warm from what I remember

[summer mural]

god ubisoft makes me upset

why on earth do they still need you to run a game through uplay and bind it to a uplay account when you have it on steam

I was helping my friend, he has ac syndicate, then he bought 1 dlc, which has somehow got bound to a different ubisoft account, so he cant play the base game now because ubisoft keeps telling him to use another account to play the dlc, but then if he logs into that account he cant do anything because the basegame is bound to the first account

[crisp heath]

I have a theory there just ragebaiting now

Try to get as much profit as they can and dip

[summer mural]

well

I just wanna solve his problem

right now hes raised a ticket and they are replying, so hopefully that works

[crisp heath]

Shit they got him in the infinity loop

[summer mural]

or..what I thought can work is he can ask for a refund on the DLC on steam, buy it again and make sure he links it to the correct account with the basegame this time and he bought the dlc like yesterday. its still a gamble because steam can be kinda iffy with dlc refunds I guess

i dunno how they are with it, they are pretty cool with game refunds (as long as you meet the 2 very simple criteria), but i think they do dlc refunds on case by case basis

[crisp heath]

I mean that might work?

[violet nexus]

They're basically bankrupt and have a deal with tencent that injected cash into the business

[tough haven]

GSC have a hive mind where they share info right? That’s how the cult coordinates so well

So if one sees something critical to the enemies plans, would it matter if you shoot the messenger, so to speak?

[celest dome]

Broodmind yes.

They're not as developed as that, they still need to use the normal communication systems.

The Broodmind serve more for the Patriarch to give out orders

[rose thorn]

No army box for imperial knights thsi time

I guess they didn’t wanan sell 7 armingers

[rocky gale]

They got a Battleforce last Christmas, that's enough for them

[paper haven]

It's more of a one way morse code receiver than a hivemind. They can receive basic instructions but can't send information.

[rose thorn]

And it got scalped to hell

Like all of the 40K Christmas battle forces

[rocky gale]

Naa, it's fine

[celest willow]

how's life as a deamon

is it chill or does it also suck

[valid needle]

Hell

[storm jungle]

If you can rise above others its pretty good

also like, you are a daemon, unless you get trapped in some weapon/machine you can spend literally forever fucking around doing stuff

its like being a ghost but even more evil lol

[queen laurel]

that's why being a daemon prince is such a coveted price

[storm jungle]

Thats living beings

being a daemon is kinda differnet

[queen laurel]

aren't they immortal

[storm jungle]

You gotta kill like gazillions of people to be a daemon prince

daemons are born as paranormal entities

[queen laurel]

I mean this in a sense that you can live a pretty good life by chaos standards if you become a demon Prince

[storm jungle]

yeah but it takes forever lol

[queen laurel]

You know what they say in chaos 99% of gamblers get their heads blown off by a gun before they hit it big

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[rose thorn]

I can’t remember where but I heard the life of a plague bearer is fucking hell

[winged jacinth]

They're cool with it though

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah in AOS they are born from the people who died of one of nurgle s diseases

[celest dome]

Is also the case in BF/40k

But honestly I always regarded that suspiciously

Like Plaguebearers being able to use Sick -> Deads as portal to the real space, and not being born out of it

[winged jacinth]

I thought that they were born out of a LOT of people dying to plague

Like metaphysically that's where new ones come from

And then they're summoned

[spring cairn]

irrc your soul can be reborn as a plaguebearer if u succumb to one of nurgle's plague but i might just be insane

in fantasy

[queen laurel]

yeah if they die to nurgle's rot

[winged jacinth]

Idk that much about fantasy but i don't think specific people in 40k have come back as plaguebearers outside of rituals

[queen laurel]

which just happens to be one of his most horrific diseases

[winged jacinth]

I think the deal is like n [large number] of people die to the rot creating 1 pb

In most cases

[celest dome]

And that suck imo

[winged jacinth]

Otherwise its like ok does nurgle have 10 trillion plaguebearers lol

[lament shoal]

Isn't the reason why there currently aren't as many daemon princes as there used to be is because Sigusmund slaughtered a bunch of them at the siege of terra?

[winged jacinth]

Tertium alone is bordering on a 9 figure population even if the rot got 1% that's a billion plague deaths lol

[storm jungle]

Lol what no

Daemon Princes can literally respawn later down the line

A single marine affecting the entire galactic populace of how many daemon princes can be is also like mad goofy

[celest dome]

GW lowered the number of DP cause it just make them less special if there are loads of them

[storm jungle]

not quite

just like every special character theres unprecedented numbers of them

theres an entire mini dedicated to it

[celest dome]

There are as many as the narrative need yes

But they're more rarely used than they have at some point

[storm jungle]

No?

Daemon Princes dont have a set number, theres billions of them as far as we know, the galaxy is huge.

[lament shoal]

Okay so it WAS just BT fanboy propaganda

Typical

[storm jungle]

If that is where you heard it from then yeah

Fans love sucking sigismund's cock

Hes a cool character and I say this as his biggest hater but like you can literally go to the lexicanum page of his now and read the things he actually did during the Siege.

[rose thorn]

“But, but, space marines brought tyranids they are the reason they came to the galaxy”

[storm jungle]

LMAO

too soon

[celest dome]

Next time someone complain about Eldar causing Slaanesh in 40k, remind them of the Tyranids being here is due to the Imperium\Space Marines

[lament shoal]

Is that actually true?

[storm jungle]

Yeah it is.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pharos_(Device)

The Pharos was discovered by Humanity on Sotha by Barabas Dantioch during the Horus Heresy and used by Roboute Guilliman as a beacon to attract scattered loyalist forces to his new empire, Imperium Secundus.[1] The Pharos became the subject of battle when the Night Lords under Krukesh discovered the nature of the device and became determined to claim it in order to find the Nightfall and Konrad Curze. In the ensuing Battle of Sotha, Dantioch overloaded the Device to defeat the traitors and its engines fell silent for the first time. Unknown to all involved, this act served to alert the Tyranids to the Galaxy.[2]

Its bright implosion was seen in the intergalactic void between galaxies where the massive armadas of hive fleets were slumbering inbetween meals before the flash was spotted and then they set course.

[lament shoal]

Saving this

[storm jungle]

🫡

[celest dome]

It's likely that at some point the Tyranids would have found the Milky Way, but they've most likely cause them to arrive much earlier

And in bigger numbers

[lament shoal]

They got the doordash pickup notification 💀

[paper haven]

Gotta love that time Guilliman rang the dinner bell

[tough haven]

Actually Dantioch did

Guilliman just set it on the table

[paper haven]

Blame falls on the leader

[tough haven]

https://fxtwitter.com/shitposts_mp4/status/1964252238022660356

🎞️ shitposts.mp4 🎞️ (@shitposts_mp4)

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The fucking agonized screams after a sound like a gunshot got me dying laughin

[median star]

i hope they retire mephiston soon like sigismunds dumb ass

[valid needle]

No, he slaughtered chaos champions not daemons.

[celest willow]

dont you loose your soul when you become one

it honestly sounds like a bad deal cause you dont even reap what you sow

a version of you thats not you gets to

[valid needle]

There’s like

Not very many things that can kill daemon princes nevermind one marine

But he did slaughter chaos champion after chaos champion.

[celest willow]

welp imma go eat peace

[storm jungle]

"Honestly sounds like a bad deal"

literally having killed gazillions of people to get there serving mega-hell deities

no way to go but forward I guess

[paper haven]

If genocide is wrong then why does god reward me for it?
-Daemon Princes, probably.

[crystal forum]

does anybody else's youtube algorithm think you're a 50 year old retiree

[hallow saddle]

no but my algo is actual fuckin shit now for some reasonn

[storm jungle]

Tbh its not even genocide

[hallow saddle]

the same stuff just comes up all the time

[storm jungle]

its just mass-slaughter

omnicide is the term i think?

[crystal forum]

oh yeah that too

especially for music

impossible to be recommended a new song you like on youtube

[hallow saddle]

i dont get it

theyve cooked youtube

and i dont understand why

[languid meadow]

https://fxtwitter.com/tigernoer/status/1964063181891879352 I need to watch this movie

hamfish (@tigernoer)

I had 5 more that day

Quoting Parody/Spoof/Satire Clips (@NoContextSpoof)
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[storm jungle]

god i need to watch this movie

[arctic talon]

Its really good

[rose thorn]

oh really? i expected the new naked gun to be really bad

[plush mason]

i think most people did afaik

but it wouldnt be the first time a movie ended up being better than anyone expected

[shadow plover]

it's good

too short though

I knew it would be good after the trailer where they made fun of O.J. Simpson

[celest dome]

I first saw Liam Neeson in a comedy role in Derry Girl and at that moment I was fully in for him taking those roles

[crystal forum]

so good it makes you forget how racist liam neeson is

[winter vessel]

It was an entertaining film

[crystal forum]

jk i dont think it's nearly as funny without the zucker brothers involved

[winter vessel]

||when it showed spirit Halloween I lost it.||

[crystal forum]

neeson does play a good "straight man turned comedian" though

[celest dome]

Leslie Nielsen was in the same situation

Known for playing more classic roles (though more Love movie than action)

[crystal forum]

that's why i said that

they picked an actor who could be a leslie nielsen

[shrewd depot]

There such a thing as dropping titans from orbit?

[jade holly]

Pizza done

I love making homemade pizzas now

[winter vessel]

Like straight from scratch? All the way up to the dough?

[celest dome]

Not really

[storm jungle]

No, they are too important for that stuff

[crystal forum]

that's kinda how titans are deployed if you consider their big drop transports to be drop pods

[shrewd depot]

It's funny. Titans are really, really big until you realise 1 macro cannon on a corvette is bigger than a Warlord

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

Fans also love to wank titan sizes

[crystal forum]

like some titans literally deploy with their repair bays

which are their own fortresses

[winter vessel]

I remember that one time a noob on SM2 was asking why there wasn’t a war hound class Titan to deal with the Hierophant in that op

[shrewd depot]

Castigator being the size of the Burj Khalifa and yet its still just a spec compared to some of the smallest ships of the line

[storm jungle]

Well yeah

[shrewd depot]

I do personally find it weird that Space Marines dont have Titans

[storm jungle]

we cant exactly have planet sized titans so

[storm jungle]

Way too much power.

you cannot trust that to space marines

they are very much their own entity for a reason

[shrewd depot]

I mean, I guess that is the whole point

[crystal forum]

dilara you read titandeath right

[storm jungle]

I have, why

[crystal forum]

does it go into detail about titan transport

[storm jungle]

Kinda, but its literally just what you know

they just drop painstakingly by dropships or bigass transports

its not really anything glamurous

[shrewd depot]

Even still, a couple warehounds aren't gonna increase a chapter's overall power that much

[crystal forum]

man i wish we had art of that

[storm jungle]

It doesnt fit the way Marines operate.

A giant combat walker is still too much to give to marines

[shrewd depot]

Landraider

[winter vessel]

I forgot, did the Dies Irae shoot down the remembrancer’s skiff when they were on Davin and they couldn’t identify it?

[storm jungle]

Yeah, which is a tank lol

[shrewd depot]

Scout titan

[storm jungle]

Yeah

to Scout for titans

[crystal forum]

scout titan means it's mobile

for a titan

[storm jungle]

I think so... 🤔

[crystal forum]

also you shouldn't be surprised at all that space craft are way bigger than titans lol

[shrewd depot]

There's a cool scratch building series of a 'gamma' titan. It's currently bigger than a warlord and has the warhound style legs.

[crystal forum]

titans have to go where gravity is

most imperial ships cant even land

[sick copper]

Ok so I'm confused about a thing regarding the ruinous powers. All the "gods" are based on an extreme emotion gone out of control. Khorne is perpetual anger, Slaneesh is extreme pleasures etc. ...what is Tzneetch? He's the god of change, somthing that truly is an inevitable thing in the universe...I understand that extreme rapid change is inherently chaotic but what's the emotional basis?

[shrewd depot]

Which honestly just makes me wish Big E succeeded in bringing more Eldar tech to humanity

[winter vessel]

Okay, I just thought that was hilarious if that’s how Petronella died. 😂. She was so eager to see Horus in action and this would’ve been her first exposure to a battle up close. Reading that part in the book got me laughing and then I found it she survived the crash.

[celest dome]

They're not really

[crystal forum]

oh yeah the bitch with the bodyguard?

[shrewd depot]

He's the God of schemes, fate and magic

[surreal nest]

i dont think khorne is really angry he is chill we talk a lot

[winter vessel]

Yeah Maggard

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tzeentch

Tzeentch is a God of Chaos who represents the vitality and volatility of change. Tzeentch is closely associated with sorcery and magic, as well as dynamic mutation, and grand, convoluted scheming. The domains of history, destiny, intrigue and plots are his chief interests, and in pursuit of these aspects he listens to the dreams and hopes of all and watches their plans take form. He is not content to merely observe, however, and chooses to interfere in the skeins of fate in order to fulfil his own, unknowably complex schemes. Tzeentch is known by an endless multitude of names, but the chief titles he bears are the Changer of the Ways, the Master of Fortune, the Great Conspirator and the Architect of Fate.[6]

[crystal forum]

yeah she sucks im glad she dies

[jade holly]

I got a mix pack for the dough but the way I make the dough is mine. I wanna make a high hydration ratio dough one day but it’s so hard to work with

[surreal nest]

tzeentch is lowk the god of reddit powerscaling arguments i love him but he pisses me off

[crystal forum]

tzeentch is the god of chizophrenia

[celest dome]

Khorne is just bloodshed
Slaanesh is just extremes
Nurgle is plagues and decay
Tzeentch is change.
There are common personalities for each (Berserk for Khorne, Vanity/Pride for Slaanesh, Apathy for Nurgle and Ambition for Tzeentch) but they're not their main things

[jade holly]

I’m sad

[shrewd depot]

In the most basic of terms: Nurgle is stagnation, Khorne is violence, Slaanesh is excess and Tzeentch is fate

[jade holly]

I’m on the final 20 episodes of One Piece that are out currently

[winter vessel]

Based Maggard for not intervening with her death. He already pledged his allegiance to Horus, but there’s a good half of him in that part that was “y’all can miss me with that shit”

[storm jungle]

God speed trooper 🫡

[jade holly]

Wanna know the worst part?

I started my OP journey in July

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

christ

[crystal forum]

maggard could have become an interesting CSM if he didn't get killed off for the plot

[jade holly]

Mid July even

Like the 10-13th

Around there

[winter vessel]

Respect

[shrewd depot]

It's the vagueness of their domains that makes them powerful. Any act of violence strengthens Khorne, whether its warfare or kids bullying each other.

[crystal forum]

i was actually rooting for maggard at the end

[shrewd depot]

Slaanesh is excess of anything

[crystal forum]

guy had to put up with so much shit and finally gets a chance at having power

then he immediately dies

[winter vessel]

Bit of a shame

[celest dome]

Any drive to become a Deamon Prince power Tzeentch.
But all acts will also power Slaanesh

[storm jungle]

Thats a bit of a massive generalization

it tends to start that way then hone the more you go forward

[sick copper]

Heard it theorized they all there own goals for real space. Khorne wants perpetual violence and war, Nurgle wants everything to rot and decay, Slaneesh wants an eternal decadent party and Tzneetch wants to return the material plane to it's primordial beginnings when everything was limitless chaos but also potential.

[storm jungle]

Thats... not a theory thats literally what they do.

[crystal forum]

their goals are to keep fucking with realspace with no real end plan

[sick copper]

Am new to the lore lol

[storm jungle]

Time to read the lexi

[crystal forum]

there is no real possible timeline where they win

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gods_of_Chaos

[celest dome]

The worlds are just games for them

[storm jungle]

There is ala Fantasy. They will move to other realities when one is destroyed, its a neternal game.

Its also confirmed warhammer is in a multiverse.

[celest dome]

Competitions to be won and squabbled over

But the strongest

Is

[crystal forum]

i guess yeah. point is they'll keep going until everything is dead

[storm jungle]

Relatable.

[celest dome]

And will always be
NUFFLE

[crystal forum]

their endless desires leads to them never settling with sustainability

sounds like

a certain system

[celest dome]

They do, but then they just start new games

In new existences

[crystal forum]

they changed the youtube PC UI in the middle of me listening to something

[shrewd depot]

That would fall under ambition, fate, plans, hope, etc, which is all under Tzeentch

I guess ambition could also be a Slaanesh thing

[celest willow]

what the actual hell is up with the lamenters bro

spider man syndrome

[shrewd depot]

They are the Emperor's most tragic sons

[storm jungle]

Literally just bad luck.

[storm jungle]

the worst part is this is very lore accurate

[tight stratus]

thats hilarious

[surreal nest]

i love darktide roleplay

[lofty mason]

The Grey Knights have sanctified bolter rounds. They are sanctified by the blood of a sacrificed person. Per bolt.

So a bolter rifle magazine costs 20 - 30 humans. Got it.

[calm finch]

in otherwords, dont miss...

[crystal forum]

where did you read that

that sounds awfully like the SOB blood thing

[lofty mason]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1107qh7/who_has_killed_more_humans_dark_elves_or_imperials/

[crystal forum]

right, reddit

[lofty mason]

Not the most reliable source, but considering the scale of 40k, this might be true 😂

[crystal forum]

it doesnt really make a lot of sense for grey knights

but grey knight lore is wacky so whatever

[storm jungle]

no it doesnt

shut up

[vagrant fox]

I think in Sacrifice it describes people being bled for the bolt shells to be purified in that manner

i forget

[storm jungle]

Yeah its official lore

idk why people see this shit and call it stupid

thats the point lol

[lament shoal]

Didn't they also slaughter a buncha sisters for a similar reason? 💀

[storm jungle]

That was more stupid because it made no sense

[vagrant fox]

Sorta retconned afaik but yes

[storm jungle]

Yea, because like killing the sisters outright is dumb

using mass sacrificial means on a supply of lives you can eagerly take constantly from a population of gazillions is not.

[crystal forum]

because GK are stupid

even by 40k standards they're stupid

[storm jungle]

They're fine.

Also silence Guard Stan.

[dapper gyro]

It is if we apply real life logic. However, faith works in a weird way in 40K, so it is not that stupid in that context.

Also, if the bolt can kill something that could kill a 10 men team of guardsmen, then it makes sense for the person to willingly sacrifice themselves, for the greater good.

[lament shoal]

Just came back from my local warhammer store and found out that genestealers have bike models

Which is cool as fuck

[sacred ginkgo]

One of them has the power axe which was the base for the ingame Rashad model

[lament shoal]

Saw that one too, dope as hell

[sour hornet]

When I'm in a "being massively wasteful for no reason" competition and my opponent is a grey knight

[arctic talon]

jackals are cool

[crystal forum]

would you stan grey knights

NO

grey knights crank the stupid levels to 11

[tough haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946985520918044683/1412201416667299972/Introducing_the_Multi-verse.mov?ex=68be060f&is=68bcb48f&hm=7f91521a0fb9496db2431aa898b10e914ab9e8c3291b0574d1d652874178e15a&

[crisp heath]

Noooo

Come on man

https://tenor.com/view/oocw-outofcontextwrasslin-oh-sad-sad-emoji-gif-15462661027727635708

I stg if they start doing parallel shit I'm done

[lament shoal]

"B-but they're powerful psykers! They could t-totally siege the imperial palace despite being overwhelmingly outnumbered!"

[crystal forum]

see im actually fine with that

they're the OP faction so they should be in situations where they might actually lose

[lament shoal]

Yeah but GK glazers don't wanna admit that lol

Not even counting the custodes and sisters of silence, they'd also have to fight through the dozens of other elite militant groups protecting terra as well as any loyalist chapters who would undoubtedly arrive to help defend it as well

The grey knights are not winning that shit 😭

[crisp heath]

You forget a very big thing tho

If they got that plot armour

They would atleast get pretty close I think

[lament shoal]

Gw would piss so many people off if they ever wrote the GKs winning in that situation

[crisp heath]

Yeah

Would be wonderful

[arctic talon]

The warp is literally a parallel dimension

Technically lol

Same with the weird flayed one dimension

[crisp heath]

Ah man please don't ruin this for me

[arctic talon]

And whatever the fuck necron deathmarks use

Which might just be a pocket dimension

But they use it to wait and teleport around

[crisp heath]

[arctic talon]

lol

Well “teleport”

Remember whenever a necron deathmark teleports

They had to run between the 2 spots

[lament shoal]

It would suck man, like if it ever happened you just know it would be because some fucking corp at gw wanted their favorite faction to win for no reason 😭

[crisp heath]

I did not know this bahaha

[arctic talon]

There’s some weird distance dilation going on

But necron deathmark teleportation is like a nether portal

Lmao

[crisp heath]

Atleast it would shut the imperium stans up for abit

[arctic talon]

But Necrons have 2 weird parallel dimensions going on

One for flayed ones

Which is how they move between places

And the other is for necron deathmarks

[crisp heath]

You mean we killed ourselves whaaa

[lament shoal]

I've only ever seen grey knights fans arguing in favor of it

[arctic talon]

Who just use it to “teleport” or hide

[lament shoal]

Everyone else from my experience thinks its dumb

[crisp heath]

I'm not really a gk fan

[arctic talon]

The terminus decree makes sense in universe as a

Everything is going to shit plan

[crisp heath]

It doesn't it's stupid

[arctic talon]

Yes it does

The emperor literally will turn into a chaos god at some point

lol

[tough haven]

Grey knights when sisters of silence

[lament shoal]

Like you don't even have to be an imperium fan. If you're knowledgeable enough on the lore it should be obvious to you that the GKs would not win in that situation

[arctic talon]

The grey knights will not win

There is literally 0 chance for them to win

But it exists as a deranged contingency plan

In case the emperor is going to become the dark king lmao

[crisp heath]

But the whole thing here is they are writing themselves into another corner

[arctic talon]

Not really

[crystal forum]

now you're wrong though. GK could easily be written to have some of terra's defenders take their side

[arctic talon]

The emperor inevitably becoming a chaos god can happen after the setting is dead

It’s not a corner

[crisp heath]

Ok so big e will become chaos that kinda just ends the whole thing

[crystal forum]

like in the scenario where the emp is clearly having some bad shit happen

[arctic talon]

I mean we already know

[lament shoal]

But assuming they aren't

[arctic talon]

The imperium is going to die

Like explicitly

[crystal forum]

why would you assume that

[arctic talon]

The imperium is going to inevitably die

[crystal forum]

if GW wants GK to win they can win

[crisp heath]

Ah well I don't feel bad for them

[arctic talon]

And the emperor will (someday) ascend into a chaos god

What that time scale is

Is up to GW to set

[crystal forum]

even some custodes could take the side of GK just think about it

[arctic talon]

(Aka when this setting becomes like whfb and is actively losing GW money)

If the emperor is going to become the dark king the real question is how does that work

For the custodes like

Loyalty to him

[crystal forum]

they can't hate the emp but if the emp changes into another warp being then custodes could be like ayo wtf

[crisp heath]

But they won't ever do that because profit

So it's fkn stupid

[arctic talon]

Well they’ll do it when 40K dies

lol

Which is like

20 years off at least I’d say

[crystal forum]

they'll have GK fight him and sit him back down

boom, nothing major changes

[arctic talon]

Whfb got blown up because it was selling like shit

lol

The emperor becoming the dark king and the imperium dying thing

Is GW’s break in case of severe money loss glass

lol

[crisp heath]

🤷‍♂️

I'm just saying is all

[arctic talon]

Anyways 40K already has parallel dimensions

Technically

The warp, necron stuff and like

[crystal forum]

the emp is written on purpose to forever be edging his ascention

[arctic talon]

If you count it the fucking webway

lol

[crystal forum]

like so many end time prophecies in 40k

OooOOh it might happen next edition i swear

[arctic talon]

It won’t

lol

[crystal forum]

emp lore sucks you have to embrace it

everything involving emp sucks ass

[arctic talon]

The closest GW came to blowing up 40K was 8e

If 8e did like shit financially

I think GW would have endtimes’d 40K

[crisp heath]

Yeah he's just a bit of a cunt tbh

[crystal forum]

he's just a plot device

since he can't be a character ever

[crisp heath]

I suppose he "was" a cunt

[crystal forum]

he still is

you can be sure of that

[lament shoal]

Its 40k, everyone's a cunt

Lol

[crisp heath]

He's a psychic cunt now

Not a physical one

[lament shoal]

He was always a psychic cunt tbh

[crystal forum]

even his appearance has never been consistent

[crisp heath]

Yeah but I mean when he's on his throne he's kinda just like a Xmas tree sending a signal out to the galaxy

So people can travel back to terra

[crystal forum]

nah they use it for all space travel

if he dies the entire imperium dies

[arctic talon]

It’s like a compass/lighthouse basically

[crisp heath]

I thought it was mainly for if your really far out it shows the way back

But apparantly there is parts of space where you will not see it

[crystal forum]

that's how much of a dumb end times edge he is

he cant simply be a powerful figure of the religion

he has to also be the biggest fucking macguffin in the setting

[arctic talon]

If you go far enough it gets dim

[crisp heath]

Like your so far away from any known and charted space , there was a audio book about a ship trying to locate it

[arctic talon]

Or in some really fucked up places

lol

Like the ghoul and halo stars

[crisp heath]

They were like in the ghoul stars iirc

[dapper gyro]

Human has tech to nagivate without the big E, but such thing is deemed heretical because there is no faith in the big E.

[arctic talon]

The ghoul stars are just fucked up

[crisp heath]

And then a bunch of shit happens

And everyone dies

[arctic talon]

Also the navigators smashed it all

lol

Whenever they find it

They send out teams to destroy that shit

[crystal forum]

it's also always slower than navi methods

[dapper gyro]

Oh yeah, to protect their status...

[arctic talon]

There’s ways that are faster

Void compasses exist

[crystal forum]

imperium has like the fastest FTL travel apart from webway

[arctic talon]

Though the navigators you know

[crisp heath]

Those creatures that come from the stars fkd them right up

[arctic talon]

Hate it

And they just destroy it

[crisp heath]

I forget what there called

[crystal forum]

necron

[arctic talon]

There’s a lot of horrid creatures in the ghoul stars

lol

[crisp heath]

There like ghouls

But they are alive and sentient

[crystal forum]

somebody watched youtube shorts

[dapper gyro]

All of the Dark age stuff are faster than whatever the Imperium is using.

[crisp heath]

Nah audio book actually

[arctic talon]

Might be an unnamed horror

lol

GW let’s authors play loose with ghoul and halo star shit

[crisp heath]

Audio books are good , its a worry w ai though

I worry about ai making books

[dapper gyro]

Chaos princes and champions get destroyed in the ghoul stars, not even Tzeentch knows what the fuck is there.

[crystal forum]

black library has too many incentives to hire british voice actors

they wont use AI

[dapper gyro]

Tzeentch... god of knowledge my arses.

[crisp heath]

Most of the YouTube audio books have actually been written w ai it's a trend lately

Shardwalkers is ai

[crystal forum]

the books themselves?

AI books are so clearly written by AI

[crisp heath]

I'm not too sure on how it works but you can kinda tell if you listen to scentence structure

[crystal forum]

oh you mean the voice

[crisp heath]

No

The words the voice is reading

[crystal forum]

just dont listen to new books ig

so many classics to read

[crisp heath]

I need to start reading again

Audio books are not the same

[arctic talon]

GW is very proud of being British

To the point of being a detrimental to their profit

Lol

Since all book printing/miniature production is UK only

[crisp heath]

Might explain why there prices are so fucked lmao

[arctic talon]

Their prices are

Not the worst for miniatures for wargaming

Which is fucking hilarious

Especially for the quality

[crisp heath]

If your paying worse than warhammer prices you have been scammed

[arctic talon]

Infinity is much higher quality but you’re gona deal with pewter or resin

[arctic talon]

Oh I’m not

I just know there are worse prices

lol

Warmachine is way worse nowadays

[crisp heath]

Jesus that's crazy

Warmachine used to be the cheap alternative

[arctic talon]

And its 3d printed(mostly)

Yeah no warmachine prices are fucked now

lol

[crisp heath]

Back in the day 70$ for the starter kit jack set

[arctic talon]

It’s like 80$ usd excluding shipping

For a squad + some spare change

[crisp heath]

And that's a whole army pretty much

Minus some scouts and a heavy

But some of the boxes had a heavy jack

[arctic talon]

But yeah GW prices I find easier to swallow compared to some historicals

[crisp heath]

The russain themed faction had the best box

[arctic talon]

Because holy shit

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah

[arctic talon]

Some historicals are absurdly expensive

For miniatures that look god awful

[crisp heath]

Historicals are actually sculpts tho

[arctic talon]

Well

Not infantry

[crisp heath]

The amount of detail on some of em

Especially when you go to like 32mm

[arctic talon]

I’m willing to pay higher prices for model vehicles

But not for some of the systems infantry

[crisp heath]

Perry miniatures makes some gorgeous stuff

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

I actually gotta admit I feel Like thar black powder book is so fun

That's like actually really well done

[arctic talon]

You’re basically playing Russian roulette with historicals tbh

In terms of quality

[crisp heath]

Yeah 50/50

I have a box full of Puter napoleonic Prussians

From like the 90s or something

Back when you could only order models through magazines n stuff

Pretty sure gw was like this w white dwarf 🤔

[sour hornet]

Grey Knights when their enemies don't just run into their swords and die, but instead use actual tactics and obliterate them with artillery

[arctic talon]

They had ads in white dwarfs for stuff yeah and you could order stuff by tearing the page out and circling stuff lol

[crisp heath]

I remeber seeing leman russ for like 20 pounds in one of those early wd's

[arctic talon]

Nowadays white dwarf doesn’t have advertisements in it

Well

Not the same sort of advertisement lol

[surreal nest]

Yeah man its easy for you to power scale when you interpret a sentence long lore confirmation as the most one sided outlandish scenario ever

[crisp heath]

Someone was here a while back w the actual stats of a gk vs a custodes

I can't remember but

[arctic talon]

Tabletop stats are always an abstraction

[crisp heath]

Nah he was talking lore wise

[surreal nest]

Yeah but the idea that it's just going to be an outright siege of terra is so illiterate

[arctic talon]

Ah

[crisp heath]

If the sisters of silence wernt there

Cooked

I'm pretty sure mb I got this wrong

[surreal nest]

"if the emperor starts ascending, kill em john" is the most basic secret society plotline ever there are million different options present to GW

[crisp heath]

If they did kill big e

What would happen

[surreal nest]

everything explodes probably

[crisp heath]

The entity he made his deal with, well actually nah I take that back bruh

[surreal nest]

the emperor is a very well shaken can of diet coke

[crisp heath]

It's not confirmed but it's pretty likely

One does not just become a tall man w a sword made of fire from waking up in a good mood

You can't tell me 11.5 feet is a normal height 💀

That's either some spooky power or he's on alot of roids

[arctic talon]

Step 1: terra explodes into a new eye of terror

Step 2: the collective death and suffering of the quadrillions on Terra, Mars, ect. However big the new eye is fuels the emperors ascension into a new chaos god or greatly empowers the existing chaos gods and the emperor fails to ascend

It’s why the terminus decree doesn’t say to kill the emperor. It says to put him back on the throne

[crisp heath]

Ohh

Ok so I was misinformed

I thought terminus decree was to kill him

It makes abit more sense now lmao

[arctic talon]

Yeah no killing the emperor is a terrible idea lmao

[crisp heath]

Can u see why I thought it was a dumb ass idea before 😭

[arctic talon]

Though if the emperor stops focusing on keeping the webway tear under Terra closed

Uhhhh

It might happen anyways

💀

[crisp heath]

💀

Oof

[arctic talon]

Yeah Magnus’s little fuck up

Wasn’t a little one

[lament shoal]

The imperial palace is the most defended fortress in the imperium. Hell the custodes have been training constantly for another invasion ever since the heresy ended. Its just hard to imagine any scenario where the Gks could pull off their mission without a billion things going wrong. There's no need for you to be rude

[crisp heath]

Didn't he cause fkn portals to open up all over terra

[surreal nest]

Your expectation is still that its just a hard blanket siege gk vs custodes lol

[crisp heath]

Or he mucked up his dad's project causing something really bad

I can't member

[lament shoal]

If their goal is to kill the emperor then that requires some sort of way into the throne room no? I'm not even talking about just pure siege.

[arctic talon]

He caused a bunch of minor warp incursions and a massive tear in the webway portion the emperor was building yeah lmao

[arctic talon]

The goal is to put him back on the throne not kill him

[surreal nest]

Im just saying be more reasonable, if the emperor genuinely starts ascending I can only imagine how insane terra is going to look

[crisp heath]

Man 💀

[surreal nest]

Who knows maybe the GK slip in during the chaos

Million options

[lament shoal]

He's a half dead corpse same thing really lmao

[crisp heath]

I loved how during the seige of terra the warps presence was so strong it was messing w logistics maps anything to do w navigation

[surreal nest]

If GW ever does follow up this storyline I am expecting something wacky and fun

Im just too sweet and whimsical for this world

[crisp heath]

I assume

That's magnus fault ?

[arctic talon]

Nah that was just

Chaos being chaos

[crisp heath]

Or was this just because there was a large concentration of despair

Ah

Emotions n what not

[arctic talon]

It’s likely the chaos gods

Forced that into reality

[lament shoal]

Also wasn't it stated that in this situation the throne would stop working?

[crisp heath]

Interesting

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah probably

[lament shoal]

So they're gonna put him back on a throne that no longer functions

Then what lol

Everyone dies ig

[arctic talon]

The throne might still function

[crisp heath]

Either way

[arctic talon]

After he gets shoved back on

lol

[crisp heath]

The imperium is cooked

[arctic talon]

It’s a Hail Mary in universe

lol

[crisp heath]

[lament shoal]

Fuckin factory reset type shit 💀

[crisp heath]

Supprised they haven't brought anyone from Mars to try reboot him yet

[lament shoal]

"If your emperor is not responding, try turning him off and on again."

[crisp heath]

Unplug the wall turn the switch off wait 30 seconds and try again

[arctic talon]

There’s some inquisitors who want to kill him

So he is “reborn”

[lament shoal]

Radicals am I right?

[arctic talon]

LOL

Yeah

[crisp heath]

I remeber someone telling me about there philosophys

[vagrant fox]

During the great rift popping open a half dozen dark angels start fucking around in the palace pretty unnoticed so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crisp heath]

Istavatism is a very interesting one

Khorne would approve

[surreal nest]

Dark angels are so fucking weird

[crisp heath]

Istavitism is basically just carnage for no reason

Starting shit and watching it go down

I'm pretty sure there seen as heretics

[surreal nest]

The ragebaiting philosophy

[crisp heath]

Very interesting tho lmao

politica

[vagrant fox]

Sometimes you gotta stress test your systems

[crisp heath]

It reminds me of one that's like this in real life

It revolves around war because war makes ALOT of money

The US does it to destabilize others

You basically fund a group then just pretend like you never knew them

And deny all affiliation

Isis was funded by the Corps to fight the taliban

[lament shoal]

Also the fact that the inquisition is fighting literal wars over what date it is in the galaxy is so hilariously silly

I love it

[crisp heath]

They are??

Lmao is this why it's always really vague on the date

[lament shoal]

Yeah lmfao

[crisp heath]

Somewhere around m41 ass

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

Actually tbf tho

We are not that different

[arctic talon]

Ordo chronos is still killing each other

Also it’s M42

[crisp heath]

There's a Like MASSIVE part of our history just gone

I'm pretty sure in a game I was playing it was set around m41

Or leading up to m42

The dark ages for example

We just stopped recording what was going on

It's such a bad term "the dark ages"

[arctic talon]

Most 40K lore is 999.M41

[crisp heath]

It makes it sound like something it is not

[arctic talon]

Or 9XX.M41

Newer lore is mostly 02X.M42 at latest

It’s 20 something years into the indomitus crudade

[crisp heath]

I heard a theory that they were killing the scholars around those ages

And that kinda actually could be it but

Kinda like how artists in medieval painted stupid on purpose to not mock God

[vagrant fox]

Didn't Guilliman take a look personally and figured the pinpointing the exact date could be off by ~1000 years

Or was that memelore

[crisp heath]

They should just all reset their clocks

Problem solved

[arctic talon]

It was 100 but yes

[arctic talon]

We already did that

The date got hard set to M.42

By Ordo chronos

And guillimans decree

[crisp heath]

Smh who missed the meeting

[arctic talon]

And then Ordo chronos started killing each other

Over what the actual date was

[vagrant fox]

Off by a bit, close enough

[arctic talon]

Due to “some” time dilation

[crisp heath]

I mean

Why start killing each other tho

Thats just stoopid

[vagrant fox]

Why not

Imperials kill for dumber reasons

[lament shoal]

Imagine being the inquisitor who missed the important chronos meeting because you were stuck in the bathroom trying to flush out the extra spicy fajitas you ate last night, only to accidentally start a war because you weren't there to present your findings to the group?

[crisp heath]

It's almost like the people who beilve in human supremacy actually don't give a damn if you below them

[crisp heath]

LMAO

Comes back to the room every ones dead and dieing

Uhhh

Slowly walks out and closes the door

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-crazy-shocked-surprised-flames-gif-16577214

[arctic talon]

Simple disagreements get worse and worse

And escalate to violence

To prove a point

[crisp heath]

Now again tho , also average day in the 'perium

[vagrant fox]

Heretical calendars are not to be tolerated

[crisp heath]

The ignorance really pisses me off ngl

Superstitious fools

[arctic talon]

Oh also the Ordo chronos somehow fucking removed themselves from existence

For 3 years

This is not a joke

[lament shoal]

Don't you see? That calendar is an agent of chaos!

[vagrant fox]

Then add the problem of time just flowing differently depending on where you are and it gets really exciting

[arctic talon]

The entire Ordo chronos got wiped from the timeline before returning

lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

Guilliman has already been to imperium nihlus in imperium nihlus and left it

He has not gone to imperium nihlus in imperium Sanctus

[crisp heath]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

Warp corruption of real space is funny

Time dilation is funnier

[lament shoal]

Man sci-fi super fascism is so funny, I love warhammer

[crisp heath]

What's time dilation explained for a idiot

Hell yeah

[arctic talon]

You spend 1 year in X but it’s been 2 years everywhere else

[crisp heath]

Ah

Got ya

[arctic talon]

Guilliman who has not left in Sanctus yet

Arrived in nihlus

As his trip went backwards in time in nihlus

[crisp heath]

Lol what

[lament shoal]

Happens commonly in warp travel

[crisp heath]

Um sire we were not expecting you for another 3 months

[lament shoal]

Like that time some heresy era nightlords got stuck in the warp on their ship and were transported to 40k lmao

[crisp heath]

Does that mean

That they are talking to 2 different gumboot guerillasuits

At the same time

Ugh this making my brain hurt ngl

[arctic talon]

There were 2 around for a bit

Now there’s only one again

lol

[crisp heath]

What makes this scary is

This could be the 7th angron coming this week to you

Jfc

Sorry 8 is his number my bad

[lament shoal]

CURSE OF ONE BILLION MORTARIONS

https://tenor.com/view/crows-crow-gif-20723088

[crisp heath]

Ew

Why does nurgle assume these are gifts

I do not want whatever he's giving

[lament shoal]

That's just what he tells his followers to manipulate them

[crisp heath]

Keep it and double it for the next guy

Tyvm

[crisp heath]

I like this

[lament shoal]

Also this one lmao

[arctic talon]

god this is so old its using the old typhus mini lol

[crisp heath]

That gaurdsmen like what tf am I looking at and WHAT AM I SMELLING RN

Typhus was a way better charecter than morty

[lament shoal]

I wanna put a nurgling into a pool of lysol and watch it fucking dissolve

[crisp heath]

But

But he's just a lil guy

[lament shoal]

He STINKS 😡👎

[crisp heath]

Yeah they really do tbh haha

[opaque coyote]

Mmm yes very compelling choices

Tbh I kinda hate it when all the choices are completely dogshit.

Like I get it, reality doesn't have a complete "good ending" choice

[crisp heath]

Fallout 4 did this to me

[opaque coyote]

But at the same time like

[crisp heath]

Nothing made sense

[opaque coyote]

C'mon some are obviously gonna be worse than others

Like there's a reason why New Vegas has the Legion.

[crisp heath]

Nv was great w factions

[opaque coyote]

It is objectively the worst choice

You only choose it if you want the world to burn

[crisp heath]

Nah i disagree it felt like they would keep going without your presence fallout 4 it's entirely reliant on you it's weird

[opaque coyote]

You can argue between House, the NCR, and even yourself technically in terms of how "good" they are. Hell that's partially how the game is still alive.

But the Legion is just

[crisp heath]

Like if you stop thinking about the story in 4

It stops

Lmao

Ave caeser , crucify degeneracy

For the legion

[opaque coyote]

True. It would kinda go on a stalemate

The institute is underground

And none of the factions have a way to find it

[crisp heath]

I love the legion cause they wear the armour of factions they have defeated

But they are the baddies yes

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think that is the best part about NV

The war would go on without you

[crisp heath]

Yus

[opaque coyote]

Meanwhile all the factions literally need you

Except ironically the Institute

[crisp heath]

Your even streamlined into it

Exactly like skyrim lmao

[opaque coyote]

The Institute literally does nothing.

I don't even mean that as an insult

[crisp heath]

Free choice my ass

[opaque coyote]

Their goal is to wait it out

[lament shoal]

Man fuck the institute, me and my revolutionary war homies nuked that place

[crisp heath]

No matter what you will play the exact same game you played last time lmao

[opaque coyote]

The Minutemen are basically fucking gone

[crisp heath]

Unless you mod the fuck out of it

[opaque coyote]

The Railroad is too small

[crisp heath]

F4 factions just pissed me off

[opaque coyote]

And eventually would be destroyed if we go by the main questline where the Institute eventually finds their base

So all that's really left is the BoS

[arctic talon]

The Railroad isn't a real faction

in FO4 lol

[lament shoal]

But hey, at least using power armor is blast in that game

[opaque coyote]

In my opinion they should've combined the Minutemen and Institute together

[arctic talon]

well they are, but they're not actually trying to establish any sort of government

[opaque coyote]

It would've made more sense

[arctic talon]

The Railroad should have been anti slavery in general and connected to the old common wealth government that imploded

or the Minutemen

[opaque coyote]

Sorry not institute

[crisp heath]

Synth rights bro... you guys are advocating for clankers

[opaque coyote]

Minutemen and Railroad

There you go

[arctic talon]

I mean Synths are literally human

lol

[crisp heath]

Kill them all

[opaque coyote]

...

[arctic talon]

from a philsophical standpoint

[opaque coyote]

Curie

[arctic talon]

they're sentient and sapient

[crisp heath]

Nah the first ones wernt

[arctic talon]

well

I mean the current Gen

lol

[lament shoal]

I LOVE PAIN TRAIN RAAAAAH

[arctic talon]

but yes gen 1 and 2 aren't uh

aren't sentient

or sapient

[opaque coyote]

3rd Gen synths are basically clones tbh

Like

[arctic talon]

3rd gen synths are basicially just clones with machine bits shoved in

yeah

[opaque coyote]

You actually see the process

[crisp heath]

I find it insulting to humans to be seen as the same as a synthetic

[opaque coyote]

Their skeletons are natural

[arctic talon]

they're more grown

then manufactured

imo

[crisp heath]

They lack the main thing that matters tho lmao

[arctic talon]

not really?

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I unironically watched the loop of 3rd Gen synths being created for 30 minutes.

[crisp heath]

I mean they kinda do

[opaque coyote]

It was genuinely fascinating

[crisp heath]

They are programmed

[opaque coyote]

It's due to the chip

Remove it

And they can't

[arctic talon]

they're still sentient and sapient flesh and blood

the only reason they're programable is due to something thats shoved in their brain

[opaque coyote]

The chip

[crisp heath]

Still tho

Not human

Machine

And blood

[arctic talon]

anyways point being they should be treated as sentient and sapient people

lol

the railroad isn't wrong on that

but the railroad not being anti slavery as a whole is

[opaque coyote]

I mean

They're literally made out of flesh

[arctic talon]

stupid lol

[lament shoal]

76 was quite fun last time I played it. Made a friend here

[opaque coyote]

Again minutemen and railroad should've been fused together

Have the railroad have the same goal with the minutemen

[arctic talon]

is that fucking moth man

[crisp heath]

So are we gonna start giving our androids rights soon lmao

[opaque coyote]

With like a branch focused on saving sy ths

[crisp heath]

They are literally a tool

[lament shoal]

Yea lol, dude's chill like that

[opaque coyote]

If they are sentient, sapient, and can feel emotions

Yeah

[arctic talon]

modern ones no

they're not thinking

lol

Synths literally posses sentient and sapiance

[crisp heath]

I see making this as mocking God

[arctic talon]

thats my cutoff point personally

[opaque coyote]

God should just

[arctic talon]

in terms of philosphy

[opaque coyote]

Do better then

Skill issue

[crisp heath]

We shouldn't try create

[arctic talon]

if something is sentient and sapient

[crisp heath]

It doesn't work ever

[arctic talon]

then its considered a "person"

I mean current machine learning is fascinating

LLMs suck

[crisp heath]

Look at the scientists who play God and make shit worse

[arctic talon]

but machine learning has actual uses

in regards to certian fields

[crisp heath]

Lol how did I manage that

[arctic talon]

its not a thinking machine

[crisp heath]

Tagged myself

[arctic talon]

Discord is fucky sometimes

lol

[opaque coyote]

We are nowhere near the ai apocalypse

[arctic talon]

Anywas point being we're absurdly far from anything remotely sentient

let alone sapient

lol

[crisp heath]

I see machines as a tool and nit to ever be devolved beyond this

[arctic talon]

The Synths are literally just clones

they jammed a bunch of machines into

[lament shoal]

Dude gets sent to the fucking stratosphere

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, there is a 50% chance that if we create a skynet equivalent

It wouldn't even fucking

Kill us all

It'd just give up

[arctic talon]

I love fallout ragdolls

[crisp heath]

Rokos basilisk is very scary

[arctic talon]

its also not real

[crisp heath]

Yeah lol

[opaque coyote]

Basically the process in the institute has them build an already premade skeleton that's organic.

Weave muscle fiber into it

[arctic talon]

unless it is in which that case its too late anyways lol

[opaque coyote]

Activate electric signals

[arctic talon]

But yeah 3rd gen Synths are literally clones

which is my whole thing with them personally

[opaque coyote]

And then dip in some weird fucking

[crisp heath]

It's a philosophical veiw but that being said

[opaque coyote]

Flesh vat?

[arctic talon]

its likely some sort of super stem cell thing

lol

[opaque coyote]

To make the skin

[opaque coyote]

Again I watched the process for 30 minutes

Genuinely mesmerizing

Idk I guess it's the part where they literally sew muscle and tissue onto a skeleton

That shit looks cool

Even if it's slightly janky because

[crisp heath]

Where's the flesh coming from?

[opaque coyote]

Bethesda

[crisp heath]

Lmao

They surely aren't growing this in labs

[opaque coyote]

Most likely grown.

We already have the capability currently

Lab grown meat is genuinely considered a thing

They got everything else down. The nutrients, the protein, etc.

The problem is

The taste

[crisp heath]

I know but the synths are explained as boogeyman and people go missing..

[opaque coyote]

It just tastes like garbage

[arctic talon]

cloned likely

we can already grow flesh in a lab environment irl

though not via cloning(generally)

[opaque coyote]

They can clone flesh and bone but they can't make a decent laser rifle

[crisp heath]

It's probably just rumor but cmon

[arctic talon]

oh well

the institute does fucking kidnap people

and replace them lol

[crisp heath]

Yah

[arctic talon]

thats just gameplay imo

lol

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, I think the worst part about the Institute is that their goal is kinda unclear

[arctic talon]

its not

their goal is isolationism

and research

[opaque coyote]

Well the way it's communicated makes it unclear

[arctic talon]

yea

[opaque coyote]

Not the actual goal

[arctic talon]

the institue also sucks writing wise

lol

[opaque coyote]

It's sad because it genuinely is a cool idea

I like the Institute's designs

The art team did a wonderful job with it

[crisp heath]

They think they did a plot twist w your son but it was really just fucking dumb

[opaque coyote]

Another highlight is the voices for Nate and Nora

I don't like voice protagonists for RPGs

And I hope they never do it again

[arctic talon]

Their voice acting was good

[opaque coyote]

But I do admit that both of the VAs did a wonderful job

[crisp heath]

Yeah the VA was good in that

[arctic talon]

unfortunately it also has the curse of having a voice acted RPG protaganist lol

There's only a few games where I think a voiced protaganist is good

[opaque coyote]

Genuinely, I think the best moment is when they shouted at "Father" to give them their son back

[arctic talon]

mostly due to the protaganist having a pre established personality

[opaque coyote]

"Give me my son back. GIVE ME SHAUN."

[crisp heath]

I like halos approach to it

[arctic talon]

and like actual traits

lol

well Halo isn't an RPG

but Chief and Noble 6 are both stoic, slightly sociopathic, maladjusted killing machines

[crisp heath]

no ik but THE WHOLE REASON CHEIF KEEPS HIS MASK ON IS SO WE CAN PRETEND WE ARE HIM , Having him remove it on the series made me so mad

[arctic talon]

Tbf

we already had that ruined

way earlier lol

with the comics

[crisp heath]

Yeah true that

[opaque coyote]

Wasn't that lik