40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

the bigotry is what leads to cults being made

[daring creek]

Aw.

[opaque coyote]

Yesn't.

Ignorance of Chaos can cause you to be taken over by Chaos

[storm jungle]

^

Theres no escape from it

[opaque coyote]

Knowledge of Chaos can cause you to be taken over by Chaos.

[daring creek]

[opaque coyote]

There is no fucking winning

[storm jungle]

this isnt like Fantasy or AOS where you can just not be a psychopath and just go worship Sigmar

[daring creek]

Okay so both ends are just

doomed.

[opaque coyote]

40k moment

[storm jungle]

in 40k theres no other choice, both options suck

[daring creek]

lmfao

[storm jungle]

Also as usual daily reminder that Sigmar > Emperor

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-priest-paladin-cleric-paladin-cleric-fantasy-gif-11053904435304373663

[sour hornet]

No. People turn to cults because they work 16 hour work days, 6 days a week at best. A cult gives you a chance a better live, no matter how slight that chance may be.

[storm jungle]

Its also why we got cults IRL

[opaque coyote]

Basically it's surprisingly easy to frame the benefits.

[storm jungle]

people are tired and want to get into "secret" things and do fun stuff

or just be weird or unhinged

[opaque coyote]

"Join our cult and you can easily kill your boss"

[storm jungle]

Based ^

[lament shoal]

I love how in RT at one point Argenta's like "How do people not know anything about the dangers of chaos? How are people not being educated on this?" LIKE GIRL HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE TYPE OF REGIME YOU SERVE?

[opaque coyote]

By the time you notice that everybody is taking each other's skulls.

You're already too busy ripping out somebody's skull.

[daring creek]

So I'm guessing thats a 40k equivalent to a Union. Also what sort of cult? a cult opposing slavery?

[storm jungle]

Fascists in general are ignorant of how rotten their regime can be:

"STALIN IS DYING, GET SOME DOCTORS!"
"Sir we had most of them executed/exiled to gulags."
"Oh fu-"

(actual thing btw)

[daring creek]

lol

[opaque coyote]

Yesn't.

Chaos can infect anything

A local rebellion

[sour hornet]

Like, Khornate cults give you the power to take your life into your own hands, and fight your way to a better existence. For an overworked grox-farmer that has literally only known endless, meaningless toil for his entire existence—what would you rather put your strength towards?

[opaque coyote]

A cult

[daring creek]

Also pardon for all of my weirdness about Dreadnoughts and Servitors

[opaque coyote]

Your fucking local bakery

[storm jungle]

Any kind of cult.

ıts left entirely open

[opaque coyote]

You

[daring creek]

I just like dreadnoughts a lot and think about servitors more than I should

lmao.

[daring creek]

hm

[valid needle]

No

[daring creek]

Bakery cult/

[opaque coyote]

Btw before this he was gonna order another purge of doctors

But this time specifically jews

[lament shoal]

Sometimes nobles turn to it because they're stupid and power hungry. Other times its forced upon people

[opaque coyote]

This was directly after WW2

[valid needle]

Cults think it’s all fun and games until the daemons and chaos marines pull up and start eating them

[storm jungle]

Yeah be more like the Imperial cult, where you are just a corrupt pseudo-christian cunt who lets billions suffer by being the mega-pope

or ordering planetary genocides

[opaque coyote]

idk man this purple lady is kinda hot

[storm jungle]

or entire crusades that burn hundreds of worlds

[opaque coyote]

idk why she has crab claws though

i'll figure something o-

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/big-meaty-claws-mr-krabs-spongebob-squarepants-blue-fish-claws-gif-7387164

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

i forgot the answer to this

i think it was just Blanche being a gooner

[opaque coyote]

WELL THESE CLAWS AREN'T JUST FOR ATTRACTING MATES-

[sour hornet]

Yeah, only to be slowly converted to a Tzeenchian cult, due to the scheming it takes to keep an anti-slavery cult alive on an authoritarian slave-planet.

[storm jungle]

Legend btw

also hold on i gotta get a cult example for Missus

[sour hornet]

Most cults start out kinda benign

[opaque coyote]

Also doesn't help that most nobles are extremely degenerate.

Like

[sour hornet]

then there comes the tipping point

[opaque coyote]

The reason why Cherub's exist is because of them

I still find it funny that Cherubs are the equivalent of like

[storm jungle]

@daring creek heres probably one of the best examples of how a Chaos Cult can form.

[opaque coyote]

buying an expensive purse

[daring creek]

Thank u

[storm jungle]

🫡

[opaque coyote]

Like I just find it funny that some noble is like

[storm jungle]

legit one of my favorite lore entries ever

[opaque coyote]

"I just bought two new cherub's the other day!"

"Well mine has golden cybernetics"

[opaque coyote]

"Now they freely sold their souls to the one who protected them in their time of direst need."

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[lament shoal]

Also it's good to know that the formation of chaos cults depends on the situation. Sometimes they're born out of people wanting a better life, sometimes its forced upon people, and sometimes people willing turn to chaos as a means of preserving/increasing their power and influence

[opaque coyote]

and sometimes it just

happens to you randomly

not even forced upon you

[lament shoal]

Yeah because "fuck you"

[opaque coyote]

shocker

Chaos is

Chaotic

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-cat-meme-gif-12840712051420478510

[lament shoal]

Omfg I love that video

[storm jungle]

🫡

[opaque coyote]

I love how Khorne actually borrows from Buddhism.

It really makes me wish there were like more Buddhism styled cults for him.

[lament shoal]

Yeah the eightfold

Literally called the same thing irl

[opaque coyote]

A path of peace and tranquility

Through slaughter.

[lament shoal]

"Nails biting too much? Rent your mind to a daemon today!"

[opaque coyote]

I have no idea why Tzeentch's is 9.

[opaque coyote]

Also the classic pointed star of Chaos somewhat resembles the Hindu wheel of reincarnation

Just well... more chaotic.

I have a personal headcanon/theory that those who get absorbed back into the warp eventually reincarnate.

[sacred ginkgo]

It would make sense if you just become a part of a conglomerate of mass that becomes some warp entity

[opaque coyote]

Considering all the buddhism and hinduism related symbolism Chaos has.

It makes sense that Chaos needs some way to

perpetuate.

And how do you do that?

Mortals.

Mortals are the way to create more chaos and continue the game.

It's why the Eldar getting their souls permanently stuck in Slaanesh is like a big deal.

I think it's also mentioned that before Slaanesh, they could reincarnate as well, but be able to control it to a degree?

(Please correct me if I'm wrong)

So I can imagine humanity reincarnates as a result.

[lament shoal]

@storm jungle

[opaque coyote]

It's also why Necrons have a hard time changing.

Necrons don't have their souls anymore.

And Souls allow a person to change.

[dapper gyro]

How can I sell my soul?

[sour hornet]

I'll let you know when I find out

[lament shoal]

Dial the chaos hotline and a representative from one of the 4 will be with you shortly

[sour hornet]

Chaos is eight-pointed, and whats more chaotic than eight??? Nine!!!

[dapper gyro]

They say that I have to wait on the line and waiting music is bad...

[opaque coyote]

I always thought that maybe it could be an expression of classic arrogance.

Basically, 8 sideways is infinity. The eight fold path, etc. blah blah blah-

But Tzeentch is the god of knowledge (among many other things)

He claims to know everything

So it's a expression that he's beyond infinity

He is beyond knowledge

He IS knowledge.

[sour hornet]

When you invite the retired Scion to teach the schola kids

[lament shoal]

From what I'm reading on Lexicanum its basically because Tzeentch was like "because I said so"

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think it's just him being an arrogant prick

"I am beyond knowledge"

"Beyond infinity"

"I think therefore I am."

Bro is somehow even more conceited than his fellow gods

💀

No wonder he wanted Magnus

[storm jungle]

heres one I made

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-40k-dreadnought-redemptor-dreadnought-by-the-nine-i'm-tweakin-gif-9390896391163403429

[sacred ginkgo]

Trying to make an impactful kill animation but you aren’t allowed to move the model

Rotate 90 degrees

[storm jungle]

bro legit went to sleep

[sacred ginkgo]

“Brothers I am eepy”

[lament shoal]

The venerable brother is a little bit sleepy

He needs his sacred oils and for the tech priest to read him a lullaby

[languid meadow]

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[storm jungle]

^ this is me btw

Eat shit angel boy

[daring creek]

If you think about it, IRL is a lot like 40k.

You wake up, you don't want to get out of bed, but you have to piss, but the bed is also comfy. but you need to pee.

Such moral greys..

[storm jungle]

I mean yeah 40k started out as satire

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/

[daring creek]

What are the ususal arguments imperium glazers have for why the imperium r good

Is it a "They don't read the books" thing

[storm jungle]

You saw some of them above already

but its like "Everyone else is worse. Also chaos exists."

when its never been a competition, YOU are also evil lol

Also the classic "If they dont protect humanity bla bla will get slaughtered" when the Imperium has arguably killed more humans than any species in the entire setting by just being comically evil to its own populace lol

[opaque coyote]

Honestly always thought that like

Space Marines move similar to shonen anime protagonists

Like they're described as going fast enough that it looks like a blur

So I just imagine them casually doing parkour in spite of their mass

Wall runs and shit

And now I'm imagining a Raven hanging from a tall ceiling like Batman

Doing a sneak attack similar to Grevious

https://youtu.be/WIj7gIDFDe4?si=gOB_igD5ysh8-7QN

Like this is how I imagine a Raven Guard would fight

And a Night Lord also

Y'know minus some of the shit like the 360 degree speen

I also imagined terrifying shit like

Ripping out somebody's Jaw so they physically can't speak or give any info.

And leaving them there as a sign of intimidation

[lament shoal]

The raven guard have the ability to quite literally phase out of existence and reappear somewhere else at will. Its how they're able to sneak around despite being 8ft tall super humans in hulking armor, and why it looks like they just materialize from the shadows when going for stealth kills

Pure nightmare shit lol

[nocturne crest]

Maybe Iron hands could do that.

[lament shoal]

Curze had every reason to be jealous of Corax. The raven guard are everything the night lords wish they were lol

[rose thorn]

WHIPPING OUT THE CLASSICSSSSSSSSSS

[lament shoal]

Still is imo. Don't care what the imperium dick riding tourists say

[rose thorn]

'but but but once all of chaos and aliens and other inferiors are dead then then the impeirumw ill be the perfect civilization!!!'

[celest cedar]

god I love this format (wrong ping woops)

[valid needle]

Better than dick riding slaanesh.

[lament shoal]

Well obviously, but the point is that neither side is good in the slightest, and people shouldn't act like they are

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/family-feud-buzzer-wrong-answer-strike-survey-says-gif-16314402

[lament shoal]

Its not that hard to like a faction while also accepting that they're fucked up and evil

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, it almost wants me to just

Shove in a faction that's morally good

Just as a comparison point

And also to get Imperium stans to shut the fuck up

This is definitely my hottest take but slightly lukewarm since people have talked about it before.

If there was a morally good faction in 40k. Like unironically.

[winter vessel]

goated animation from Genndy Tartakovsky

[opaque coyote]

I think it would be fine

Because it would serve as a wonderful light bulb so to speak

To make the shadows contrast easier

It is easy to just have all the horrific shit kinda blend into the background

Don't get me wrong, I love that type of banal evil.

But at the same time, occasionally while reading. I read through like a severely emotional scene

And then the next scene I'm like

"Oh right, I'm reading about the Night Lords. I forgot for a sec."

But have them small similar to the T'au. And obviously out of their depth.

Basically what I am saying is that.

The Imperium are puppy kickers but there's barely any puppies left.

...

Make some more puppies to kick.

And this is probably the hottest take that I have about 40k

I think most of my opinions are kinda typical otherwise

[valid needle]

Votann.

[opaque coyote]

Have a faction that is morally good to act as a tiny lamp to the overwhelming darkness.

[opaque coyote]

Neutral

[lament shoal]

Yeah they're more out for themselves really

They just wanna be left alone lol

[opaque coyote]

Also to praise their AI overlords

"OUR GLORIOUS ANCESTORS... GIVE US YOUR WISDOM."

[opaque coyote]

"I’m sorry, but as an AI language model, I do not have the ability to access or analyze specific offers or websites. Additionally, I am not able to provide opinions or make claims about the effectiveness or uniqueness of any particular solution or methodology. My primary function is to provide information and answer questions to the best of my ability based on my training and knowledge. If you have any other questions, I would be happy to try and answer them for you!"

[winter vessel]

Wonder how the Mechanicus would react to seeing Rex Salazar from Generator Rex given his machine/nanite abilities

[opaque coyote]

Could be considered a Technomancer

Which would either Garner admiration or severe jealousy

[lament shoal]

Likely both

Because he's an alien

Wait we ain't talking about a votann character mb

Lmao

[opaque coyote]

Lol

[winter vessel]

Yeah, sorry to deviate from the convo, it just crossed my mind because I’m watching the show rn

[opaque coyote]

Wouldn't get shot instantly because he's still human

And then if he shows off his technical powers, it elevates him from meatbag to possibly something else

[opaque coyote]

Also not to worry

I've had ideas for crossovers too

Godzilla

On Terra

Would be fun

Ghidorah also

Imagine Ghidorah vs like the Imperium Navy

That shit would be gas

[winter vessel]

I like to think it’s a duking out session that happens every 1,000 years. Wake up, do some old fashioned banter with each other, and then just F off and sleep till the next 1000 years

[opaque coyote]

Real

Also the English dub of Godzilla strikes back gave Godzilla and Angirius a fucking

Old Man voice

Which is funny because honestly

That's exactly what I imagine Godzilla would sound like... If he bothered to speak

A cranky old man

"GET OF MY PROPERTY!"

atomic beam

[winter vessel]

The immortal grump

Another species crossover I thought of would be either the Flood from Halo. Or the Necromorphs from Dead Space. Along with the brethren moons.

[lament shoal]

I once talked to some moron who tried to claim that superman would side with the imperium 😭

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I imagined Shin Godzilla or Godzilla Ultima being the main version.

I imagined it happening possibly during the tail end of the unification war.

Basically, all of the damage that has happened on Terra woke up Godzilla. All the pollution makes him angry at the main perpetrator. Humanity.

Luckily there's a ton of radiation to power himself up.

[opaque coyote]

Not even the worst versions of Superman would side with the Imperium

[opaque coyote]

Either way if I decided to make a 40K x Godzilla crossover

I think I would make my own weird version of Godzilla

Because it would be fun and it's literally a fanfic concept anyways

Why not snort more crack

[young pecan]

Normal Superman would try to change the Imperium for the better
Injustice Superman would probably kill so many nobles alone that it would cripple the Imperium and cause its death to other factions

[lament shoal]

And Khorne starts salivating as soon as he shows up lmao

[opaque coyote]

I feel like

Normal Superman would first try to go after the biggest problem

Chaos

Would be difficult because technically every single part about Chaos is magic

But he would fucking deck the four firstly and calm the warp down

Then deal with the Imperium

[young pecan]

True, I just mean his general approach to the Imperium whenever he does find the time

[opaque coyote]

To be honest, changing the Imperium is impossible.

[young pecan]

He would certainly try

[opaque coyote]

Like at it's very core, it's rotten.

Also Servitors

He would have to go into a bit of injustice territory

and overthrow the government

[young pecan]

Or bare minimum step in like he did in the movie

Defending the oppressed

[opaque coyote]

I mena the Imperium wants to kill all aliens

and mutants

That would be a point that he really wouldn't like

Having an outright genocidal galactic empire is the type of shit he HATES

[lament shoal]

@storm jungle just made this lol

[winter vessel]

the french dub has forever ruined this scene for me, lol

[languid meadow]

RAUH RAUH RAUH

[winter vessel]

caveman speak

[crystal forum]

does it not sound equally as knuckle dragging in english

anglophones are stupid

[sand fjord]

Is there such thing as Cadian Space Marine?

Do they recruit from Cadia or do they consider the purple eyes a form of unacceptable mutation?

[surreal nest]

I think cadia was far too hands on deck for anything like that

[sand fjord]

what do you mean?

[lament shoal]

Cadia was recruitment and fortress world solely for the guard. And all space marine chapters have set worlds/locations they exclusively recruit from.

And the purple eyes are not seen as an unacceptable mutation

The guardsmen who have them have natural warp resistance, so it would be counterintuitive to condemn such a minor mutation

[dapper gyro]

Most worlds belonging to the IG recruitment are not used to recruit SM.

You don't see Catachan SM for example.

IGs do as much heavy lifting as the SM as an organization, they don't want to cross each other.

[lament shoal]

Yeah, to take recruits meant for one branch and use them for another would only cause problems

[celest dome]

There are rare cases where some world pay their Tithe with both IG regiment and SM recruitment.
Like Necromunda, who has the Necromundan Spider and the Imperial Fist

[daring creek]

Wow.

Ngl I thought this was ironic

[crystal forum]

they dont recruit from cadia because it blew up

[daring creek]

fighting to protect their families

isn't everyone fucking conscripted into a life time service to die in battle

[crystal forum]

but space marines can come from any world really

[daring creek]

plus hive worlds

[crystal forum]

there could be cadian space marines. it wouldn't be notable though since space marines dont care where they come from

all that stuff is wiped away during the indoctrination process

with some exceptions like night lords or whatever

[lament shoal]

Most if not all of the marines belonging to the founding loyalist chapters are aware of where they were born because the chapters stick to like 2 recruitment sources at most

[raven stone]

Driving lessons in Imperium of Mankind be like

https://youtu.be/k7YVxLLIuGM?feature=shared

[lament shoal]

Its not, they genuinely believe what they're saying 😭

I wish it was ironic

[lament shoal]

Also yes a vast majority of people in the guard are drafted into it

[daring creek]

Like

[surreal nest]

i opened general for 5 seconds

i hate this server

[daring creek]

The Imperium is most likely going to kill their family before anything else can.Was this created from someone who gets all their 40k knowledge from youtube shorts or something

[lament shoal]

These types of memes usually are created by such people lol

[sour hornet]

More

[sour hornet]

Not necessarily

Most guardsmen never see their families again, but a sizable portion retire.

Most end up settling somewhere along the deployment path.

[surreal nest]

Saw a dumbass trying to argue that the imperium cant be evil because god doesnt exist in that universe therefore evil is ill defined

and then he ends it with

"The whole point of 40k is the concepts of good and evil do not exist within the narrative of the universe, and the only faction that good can come out of from its individual characters and heroes is the imperium, not that the imperium itself is good."

lets just hyper focus rq

The whole point of 40k is the concepts of good and evil do not exist within the narrative of the universe

the only faction that good can come out of from its individual characters and heroes is the imperium

[crisp heath]

I mean that's a wild take

[sour hornet]

I hold religious based arguments inherently flawed

like from the start

[crisp heath]

I came to understand wh40k is taking the piss out of politics

Mb I am wrong tho

[surreal nest]

yeah because their entire basis relies on you coming from a background of faith its nonsensical

you can only make an argument like that if your audience already agrees with you

[surreal nest]

ok also to make this even more funny the context was debating the evil of the black templars

[sour hornet]

off-topic but your pfp flashbanged an old memory into my head of a friend that had a pfp just like yours

[surreal nest]

SUCH a good profile picture

[crisp heath]

Jfc

Not always a templars fan but usually is

Smdh

[sour hornet]

Templars and Kriegers (and Sallie fans) are heavily vibes based factions

and so get a lot of people not versed in the wider lore

or the context in which the factions exist

[crystal forum]

there's a ton of exceptions

plus that's just founding chapters

also not dark angels

[lament shoal]

We literally had one of those in here earlier. Granted he wasn't acting as rabid and spewing abysmal takes but he was kinda dipping his toes into it lmao

[crisp heath]

It's far to common , you think there Allgood then they drop their guise and say some really nasty shit and your just like ugh

[summer mural]

which is like

the meanest nastiest space marine chapter

you know, the really bad guy bad guy ones

[sour hornet]

Its very funny when those kinds of fans step into the lore channel and realize this is NOT grimdank lmao

[crisp heath]

I like bt because of the siege of terra and how much a chad sigismund was

I dont really look into any of there other lore apart from that

Oh and the crusade some of them unrightfully done against the primaris

When like they see gumboot Guerella suit as a demigod

So it doesn't make any sense they would reject his creation

[summer mural]

I mean

bt are funny

I love em

also sigi was cool

so is grimaldus

the funniest thing is how they just seem to grow numerically out of control with infinite crusades

they are practically roving orks by this point

id like the salamanders a lot more because I like their color scheme and having a bronze dragon theme is dope

but god salamanders is just such an awful name for any group of anything

" Hi , we are the Salamanders"

[crisp heath]

Heck yeah , the vibe of each chapter really cracks me up

It's so cringe

[summer mural]

it is

its basically comicbook lore

i dunno why its taken so seriously, like you dont see people losing their minds over doctor doom having an army of evil doombots

[crisp heath]

Ikr

[summer mural]

" The Doombots are KILLING CIVILIANS!" i gotta put this on reddit and talk shit about dr doom

[crisp heath]

Ppl condemn you for silly stuff

[summer mural]

sigi was a crazy character though

how did the man just keep winning lmao

[crisp heath]

Also i think a good 40% of the wh fan base is fed some bs about imperium being good guys

When he smacked fulgrim w his chain

Then dorn pops up

Sigismund lacks in bla bla I do not lack

[summer mural]

well, I think people expecting to attach to a heroic character in an all around terrible galaxy is an acceptable thing, you know , like titus, but because titus is off doing heroic shit doesnt mean the imperium are good guys of course

[crisp heath]

And I suppose they only see Titus and his deeds and get this assumption from the game

[summer mural]

in fact id argue the main point about liking titus is that hes good despite the imperium

and not because of it

[crisp heath]

I wonder when our man will be put into a dreadnought sm5

[summer mural]

and the unfairness and dogmatism of the faction is clearly visible when he does his job, saves a planet and gets hauled away in chains

[crisp heath]

I'm very sick of these fans that agree w what the chaplain did

[summer mural]

he just behaved like a braindead zealot

[crisp heath]

I feel like leandros will most likely be the villain

In next game

That boy ain't right

[summer mural]

no, they actually did do leandros better in 2 than 1

because in 2, he did support you in doing your job

like he helps titus too

he just doesnt trust him

because " the taint of heresy never fades"

[crisp heath]

I agree but i still just don't like him I don't like how he looks I don't like how he sounds and i think if anyone's showing signs of heresy irs those damn bags under his eyes

[summer mural]

in fact, i think I would have loved the chaplain character in 2 if it ended the exact same way it did but they never revealed it was leandros

because by that point the chaplain had become pretty likeable for a chaplain

[crisp heath]

I probably would have too lmao

When they reveled him I was like NAh

[summer mural]

yeah and his attitude hadnt changed

[crisp heath]

He really annoys me

[summer mural]

but yeah i dont think hes ever going to become a traitor, if anything i think hes going to die in an epic last stand fighting for the imperium

[crisp heath]

#1 hater

I think it would be funny if that happened

This whole time he's been under tzeentch

[summer mural]

in 2 he was better, but in 1, he was just terrible

[crisp heath]

I honestly barely remeber playing through 1

I was like 13

I remeber the ork boss and the choas guy

[summer mural]

thats primarily because you are an ultramarine captain of the 2nd company, thats like...really really high up in terms of rank for a space marine, the highest it gets kinda , and leandros is your battle brother the whole time with you , and not only does he not stop whining and snivelling, he actually straight up rats you out

[crisp heath]

AND LETS NOT FORGET THE WAY THEY DEAL W SUSPECTED HERESY IS IT IS KEPT IN THE CHAPTER

[summer mural]

yeah

[crisp heath]

They are not to be sent away

[summer mural]

like fuckin leandros , bro just go tell calgar, go tell a chaplain, you called the inquisiton directly on your boss?

[crisp heath]

That was wrong but I can see how people can say it was there only option they didn't have the time to wait to see if he had been corrupted

And then I think they also forgot about him

/assumed he was dead

Bro astartes just kinda .. suck

[summer mural]

they arent all there..mostly

since its their job to be living weapons

[crisp heath]

Yeah

[summer mural]

the grey knights have next to nothing do with humanity

[crisp heath]

Are they all test tube babies?

[summer mural]

no

[crisp heath]

I thought they would have been , it's kinda a bit silly how strong they are when the usual psyker is most likely to make his skin explode

[summer mural]

they are recruits but, their geneseed is directly from the emperor himself, and not a primarch, and they have all their memories wiped and have to take new names

[crisp heath]

Ahhh so they are kinda created

[summer mural]

compared to normal astartes? they are more fine tuned yes

they are also required to be like, basically inhuman because of the psychological conditioning, willpower and belief they require since their main job is to fight daemons

[crisp heath]

You would think humanity would be the strongest counter to demons not machinery 🤔

Right?

[summer mural]

like the new names they take? those names are designed to serve as a weapon by itself, their names are like antithetical to daemon names

[crisp heath]

Ah yeah I remeber that

[summer mural]

well , its not machinery per se, but as for humanity, it just makes you more prone to corruption if your will isnt strong enough and even then

[crisp heath]

Smh

[summer mural]

like grey knights purge civilians and planets without thought lol

[crisp heath]

They calmed down on thar now since you van literally see the tear in reality everywhere

I'm pretty sure

[summer mural]

also , grey knights actually have somewhat decent track record, like yeah they fuck up a lot of things, but they can pull off stuff like banishing daemon primarchs and greater daemons and stuff

[summer mural]

yeah

[crisp heath]

Yeah there good at fighting the stuff that generally is not able to be countered

Like a great unclean one

[summer mural]

what I like about them is their geear tbh

[crisp heath]

They do have some cool stuff

[summer mural]

like grey knight armor is always pristinely polished pretty much, they tend not be covered in muck all the time or faded generally, they get the best tools to play with , only wear terminator armor

[crisp heath]

They have special termy armour too don't they

Its like alot more valuable

[summer mural]

and all of them are psykers, but not all of them are like a magetype, like they dont all sit around and shoot fireballs, they use their psychic stuff to do different shit, like channel it into bullets and their weapons

[crisp heath]

Reckon they have fortune readers

[summer mural]

yeah, they got the magetype librarians too

[crisp heath]

That's actually pretty neat

[summer mural]

theres always some guy with precognition

[lament shoal]

Since we're on the subject of the grey knights, is chaos gate any good?

[summer mural]

yes

one of my fav games

HIGHLY ENTERTAINING

CHAOSGATE 2 PLEASE

[crisp heath]

The guy who voiced golem plays the main charecter I'm pretty sure ANDDD he plays and collects 40k

[summer mural]

also chaosgate does make you feel like your commanding grey knights and leading an invasion

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-grey-knights-chaos-gate-kicking-door-in-gif-8759459760838327390

as far as wanting to fullfill grey knight fantasy, chaosgate is really good

you can customize em all too

you got classes, multiple weapons etc

also, i recommend you get the assassinorum dlc

because thats the best representation of the officio assassins ive seen

[lament shoal]

Thx, I'll check it out sometime

[summer mural]

as for the gameplay

I love xcom type games

and this is a very good xcom type game

but if you dont like xcoms style of turn based squad combat you might not enjoy the gameplay

it doesnt have % chances though, if you can hit somoene, its a guaranteed hit

also its obviously got a melee focus compared to xcom

[lament shoal]

I've got almost 400 hours on rogue trader so I think I'm covered as far as liking xcom type games lol

It looks fun

[summer mural]

bro

your gonna enjoy it

be warned, the story is super average, but its got a cool premise and more importantly, like xcom and stuff, its hard in the beginning

until your grey knights get juiced and you do the tech and research and ship upgrades etc etc itl be challenging in the beginning

but im pretty sure its meant to be that way , so should be fine

as for story, well i dont wanna spoil it

but there are some big name folks involved

the dreadnought dlc is not great, it just gives you a dreadnought you can take on some very specific missions, the techmarine is awesome though

the assassinorum dlc is 100% worth it

those characters are really well done assassinorum assassins, and you get to use all 4

you can send them with your knights or make a team of just assassins or send them solo

they are pretty darn strong and can solo shit

[valid needle]

In what way

[daring creek]

Parodying those who see the imperium as the good guys

[valid needle]

Well

The imperium are not good guys

[daring creek]

Since when

[valid needle]

But

[daring creek]

[valid needle]

It’s usually the ruling classes/inquisition/high lords who are the evil factors. The average human or guardsman like the cadian guard are not inherently evil and the average guardsman is usually fighting for their home and families meanwhile chaos and heretic marines are ultimately uber evil.

Like tau and like eldar they also have redeeming elements and not all are inherently evil whilst chaos is outright the greater evil.

[storm jungle]

They absolutely are evil

A regime’s evil comes from its populace as much as its leaders.

The Guard fight for the status quo of the Imperium and spreading its rule/dominance across any planet that has some value to the regime, a Cadian guardsman will literally kill your entire family if his or her commanding officer deems you to be a heretic.

I get that you wanna sympathize with these people but they are literally brainwashed from their literal childhood to hate everything and kill anyone that opposes the faction they serve lol

[rocky gale]

Gotta be honest, Lysanders rules look kinda doodoo

[shadow plover]

he's a big beat stick that can take a hit

thinks that's fine

7 wounds is kinda crazy too

[rocky gale]

Like he's got 1 more wound than a regular Terminator captain and the same Save/Invul save

But lacks the ranged weapon

[shadow plover]

he also lessens the attackers wounding rolls and can activate the 2++ once a game

[storm jungle]

I mean

its Lysander Boreal or whatever his name is

what did you expect

[valid needle]

What did you expect from chapter master of the imperial poop vault marines.

[shadow plover]

the melee profile is kinda wild too

5A hitting on 2+ S10 -3AP 3D

dev wounds

[rocky gale]

Like he's going to get mulched by a Einhyr Champion that only costs 60 pts

[storm jungle]

I mean

you compare a mere man to a dwarf

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-chad-chad-dwarf-gif-27635881

[rocky gale]

Like kinda dumb he sacrifices his ranged weapon for a shield and it doesn't increase his invul save or regular save

[valid needle]

IF combat patrol going straight in my basket and resprayed BT

[shadow plover]

having a base 3+ invul would be kinda wack though

[rocky gale]

This message brought to you by the 2+ Archon invul save

[shadow plover]

which also goes away once you fail it

[rocky gale]

Just don't fail

[shadow plover]

but shields haven't increased invuls for anyone in this edition iirc

or they're baked into the profiles

deathwing knights also have 4+

think the idea is that the shield gives an extra wound?

if you look at Bladeguard or Vitrix Guard they both have an extra wound

same goes with the Deathwing Knights

termi base 3 to 4 wounds

[rocky gale]

He just seems very doodoo

[shadow plover]

how much does he cost

[rocky gale]

His old model was 100pts, dunno if that's changed

If it has they've not included it with the new rules

[dapper gyro]

IF army list sucks in general. The dude is there as a poser.

[rocky gale]

I like Tor Garadon's rules, he's cool and feels like he has a place in a list. But Lysander just feels like I'd be better off saving points and getting a regular Term captain and giving them an enhancement

[valid needle]

Ironic you say that

With him being from the poop vault chapter

[shadow plover]

says the poop vault successor chapter

[valid needle]

Hey now

The poop vault novel was after the second founding

[shadow plover]

uh huh

[valid needle]

Idk where I’m going with this

[rocky gale]

First rule of comedy, have more than one joke

[valid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-gif-20454669

[rocky gale]

See now you're getting it, there's your second joke right there

[valid needle]

Nah cypher based

He do be committing a bit of tomfoolery on the custodes

[summer mural]

More marines should dual wield pistols

Although using different pistols to dual wield is kinda wild

[valid needle]

It’s too cool, guillinerds codex wouldn’t allow it.

[summer mural]

Codex tells you what to wield?

[valid needle]

I mean codex tells you how to structure your chapter, what tactics to use, how many marines you can have. Your doctrine everything. So probably.

[summer mural]

Well

It's easy to ignore

[valid needle]

Based lol

[summer mural]

Guilliman himself is around and he can't be bothered rn

[valid needle]

Just do what dark angels and space wolves do and say you are adhering to it but don’t actually adhere to it

Or do what BT do and ignore it completely as Rogal dorn intended.

[summer mural]

Do they even bother saying they are adhering to it

[storm jungle]

I love his book so much, hes such a fucking edgelord

fucking plotting a door hinge from mars being faulty and being on the exact door of his cell

[valid needle]

Cypher in 40K is actually corswain I’m not crazy

Corswain defeated soy boy zahariel and became the new cypher I’m not delusional.

[storm jungle]

Probably. We'll see one day I guess.

[valid needle]

Ain’t no way a traitor like zahariel taking down my king Corswain

[lament shoal]

Its meant to be a guide tho, not a rulebook to strictly adhere to

[valid needle]

Well, some more zealous like the ultramarines would say it’s strict rules and a holy book.

[shadow plover]

Not really

There are chapters that hold the codex as gospel but not the ultramarines

[valid needle]

So those of guillimans line don’t look upon it as absolute rules?

[lament shoal]

Thats just from memes, the ultramarines for most part dont feel that way

The black templars use it too, as a battle tactics guide

[valid needle]

No they don’t

Rogal and Sigismund abhorred the codex and the splitting down of their legion

Infact it even says so in the codex hold on

[shadow plover]

Funnily enough Hammers of Dorn are among the most codex adherent chapters

[shadow plover]

Thay also have a rivalry with the Ultramarines because they dont think the Ultramarines respect the codex enough

[valid needle]

In the old codex Dorn even called guilliman a coward and guilliman called Dorn a rebel for opposing his codex

[lament shoal]

I am aware of this yes

Never said that they followed everything in it

[valid needle]

They don’t follow it at all

[shadow plover]

they do to an extent, they just utilize loop holes to stay out of real trouble

like being constantly on a crusade to be allowed to have larger numbers at one time

[valid needle]

No they don’t. Rogal dorn made them non compliant. The loop hole is meme lore.

There’s legitimately no loophole for crusade and chapter numbers

It’s been a rumour for the longest time and there’s never been any mention or reference of a loophole in lore.

It’s highly hinted in multiple pieces that Rogal made the BTs non compliant at his meeting with Sigismund to discuss the founding of BT.

Since he also gave them his favourite ship eternal crusader and gave them their ultimate mission of persecuting the enemies of mankind on an eternal crusade.

It’s theorised the rumour this stemmed from is the loophole that if on crusade you do not need to send geneseed samples back.

[dapper gyro]

Some groups among the legions react differently about the codex.

Like the DA and RG are maliciously compliant.

[valid needle]

Honestly I think the codex is on its way out

[dapper gyro]

RGs were already operating more independently as legion companies l. So the codex thing is a nothing burger for them.

Yet, they are usually said to be the more defiance of the codex.

On par with the Wolf.

[valid needle]

I think the codex was good for its time when the imperium needed it but it’s become out of date and with the imperium facing greater threats than before it’s been proven only a legion can stop some things I.e war of the beast when IF got wiped down to one man and they had to enact the last wall protocol and be refounded by BT and CF and the other successors.

[dapper gyro]

Nah, codex will never be out.

It is a plot device so people can do more homebrews.

[valid needle]

It’s definitely still thrown in your face when first getting into the hobby

But then you realise more chapters than not are either partially compliant or maliciously compliant as you said.

[hexed orchid]

Progress?

In the imperium?

[valid needle]

I do love that the worst possible thing to happen to the imperium is our leader getting up and regenerating

[storm jungle]

When he does they'll just find some way to explain it without everything imploding, dont worry about it.

[valid needle]

Yeah but wouldn’t that be one of the biggest retcons ever?

Like they’ve dug themselves into a very deep hole with that storyline

[storm jungle]

40k is built with retcons + If its written well people will be fine about it.

Theres never a bad concept, only lack of good writing. Its also kinda less egregious when you can just make the Emperor rise up to be a proper warp-god, people will have issues with it as ever but if the larger majority doesnt care + it still makes money it doesnt matter that much

[valid needle]

Idk I have missed feelings on big e returning

It would be cool to have him back

[shadow plover]

is it even a retcon if it just happens in the storyline

retcon implies going back and changing something already happened

[storm jungle]

I dont think so no, especially with all the teases of Big E becoming a good.

[celest cedar]

he would be hunted by the grey knights

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[valid needle]

But then he most certainly will kill the eldar and yvgraine. Then it kind of becomes a well imperium is just OP now and there’s no real threat besides tyranids.

[storm jungle]

KINDA.

You can explain it away as like him returning and being a god destroying Terra as he ascends to the Warp, which kinda entirely destabilizes the Imperium and just work off of that.

Its very doable, you just need lots of pages to explain it

...which well they kinda already do with every core edition rulebook really so lol

The Rift was also a massive thing back in the day but its barely a inconvenience now lol

[shadow plover]

IF he does start stirring I hope it's something like that instead of "yeah we now have a 40k Emperor miniature and you can field him as a part of your imperial armies and he is just up and about now"

"and he costs 2000 points"

[storm jungle]

Mmmm money

[valid needle]

I suppose they could do it like guilliman realises his psychic presence is becoming stronger and stronger and ultimately figures out what will happen if he returns, so Guilliman and lion create a imperium Secondus 2.0 and move everything bar protection for the emperor to a safe planet and wait for his return.

And then it’s like well Terra is gone, mechanicum is almost gone. Everything built bar what could be transported is gone and it’s a now the imperium rebuilds from scratch type thing.

[storm jungle]

Yeah this is a fantastical setting built on bullshit, everything is comic-book tier nonsense, you just need to give some good writing and it kinda solves itself.

[storm jungle]

It helps that the Mechanicum have proven they'll INSTANTLY bail the moment anything happens to the Imperium when push comes to shove, worst case they'd move Mars to somewhere else, the Emperor meanwhile can just act as the actual entity of the astronomicon itself in the Warp as he did beforehand etc etc

I probably list off even more duct-tape solutions but ill leave that to the GW writers when this happens maybe in like uhhhh 30 more IRL years idfk

My point is more that some people are way too stuck to the idea of this setting being stuck in limbo when it can easily be always moved to whatever state GW wants it to be, the only core issue is the writing for it to be good, I say this as a huge hater of the Rift Era even though fortunately lots of people like it.

[valid needle]

Sounds about right

Scouring is going to go like Horus heresy

That was meant to be a 10 book deal I believe until someone said “hey let’s make this a franchise”

Boom 60 main books and multiple anthologies

[storm jungle]

^

Pretty much. This is a setting built on narrative excuses, its why I always roll my eyes when people act like the Emperor "dying" is gonna End the Setting™

it goes wherever GW wants it to go while keeing the status-quo still in a diet fashion.

As long as its not utter dog I really dont care so

[valid needle]

Basically

As long as I get me a templar dorn in his inevitable return I’m happy

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much lol

Its why 40k online discourses will always be pointless.

The majority of the playerbase is happy + buys minis, thats the endnote.

(well that and all the "bad lore" they get mad at is basically nothing)

[valid needle]

But idk I go back and forth on if I really want the emperor back or if the imperium would be better tri ruled by guilliman, lion and dorn.

[queen laurel]

I would want the emperor to go back just to see the nothing burger plan of the grail Knights on action

[dapper gyro]

Remember, 40K is a live service, the story cannot end.

[storm jungle]

My biggest copium fantasy is the Imperium shattering to smaller empires/kingdoms where everyone kinda does their own thing + Primarchs just ruling stuff from their own mini-empires and largely not bothering to return to the status quo due to just well the titanic effort it would take and acting more as "peacekeepers" with their marines.

it also gives a great reason as to why you can still keep and play any army you want while keeping them more free from the constant "HEY, YOU GOTTA PAY YOUR TAXES"

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

Hopefully I can see it before im dead in like my 80's

[shadow plover]

We need a Badab War 2.0 on the imperium scale for it to happen

[vagrant fox]

If nothing else Nihilus could be the perfect breeding ground for that kind of setting but oh well

[valid needle]

Honestly, I had a thought about that but on a legion level if Rogal dorn does return it would be very smart and cool if he reformed the 7th legion but kept individual chapters in it whilst organising them into different sectors and roles. Like black Templars and other fleet based chapters as offensive and reactionary forces and organise more world based chapters as defensive forces like the imperial fists.

[violet nexus]

My biggest fantasy in 40k is to have a base of DAoT on cryosleep wake up like the Necrons

Nothing too massive

[daring creek]

If there are no good guys

Then theres no bad guys :3

[violet nexus]

Well it's a matter of perspective

Half of the factions in the setting are first and foremost doing things for self preservation

Am Human, I don't want to see humanity perish, it's that simple

[daring creek]

But it would be funny

[queen laurel]

ok then charge that night lord with a bayonet

go ahead

[violet nexus]

😃

[queen laurel]

you wanna do your part right then go ahead and charge that night lord

[misty vector]

Shouldnt have had skin in the first place, whatd you expect

[violet nexus]

I'll rather charge him with a suicide vest filled with ficelyne than a bayonet, I'd least I'll be able to do something

[queen laurel]

we ran out of bombs to rig into explosives so you have to do what we have

[violet nexus]

I see.

[daring creek]

I think in 40k

Everything can only get worse

Might be better to let it collapse into a singularity and go to hell

[violet nexus]

The Iconoclast rogue trader :

40k is an improvement over The Old Night

[violet nexus]

I appreciate 40k as a story concerning resilience and hope. Like, the legacy of fighting has been going on since the IA uprising pretty much, but at the end of the days every sacrifice is done in the expectation that there will be a light in the tunnel for future generations.

At least that's how I see it, and it's kinda beautiful

It's just that millennia of fighting has progressively reduced humanity into a mindset of extreme survivalism

[valid needle]

It’s a fight against the inevitable and hopefully die better than giving up and letting slaanesh wear your ass like a glove whilst daemons feast on your soul.

Kind of situation

[daring creek]

Mhm

[valid needle]

I know I’d rather fight than be eaten alive by the evil demons of SA and murder

[daring creek]

And I'm guessing chaos wants to speed up that process

Fight --> Eaten alive by demons

[valid needle]

Fighting in hopes of survival is better than giving up and being SA’d and eaten alive by demons and emperors children marines.

[daring creek]

No I mean you'll fight and then get eaten alive by slaanesh demons.

[valid needle]

You are getting eaten alive either way

[daring creek]

Indeed

[valid needle]

At least with fighting you have a chance of survival

It’s like saying if a burglar breaks into your home and tries to murder you do you either fight back or let him murder and burgle you.

[violet nexus]

Everyone believes that there is a light in the end of the tunnel (the Emperor)

If defeatism or apathy was widespread in the Empire, it would've already collapsed

In fact heretics seek salvation as well

[daring creek]

Yeah but this burglar is an insane hyper sadistic demon with a ever growing army of insane fucks ready to absolutely eviscerate you at the chance given

I don't think it can be equaled. If I'm dropped in the setting of 40k. Knowing everything I do.

I am not living in a hive city and I am not being a guardsman

[storm jungle]

The reality is most of humans still get eaten by daemons in the warp

[storm jungle]

It also is widespread/common, the Imperium is not functioning in any proper way, its just slogging along

its why people getting mad at the Imperium doing dumb things and calling it "grimderp" is funny

[near wasp]

The imperium is basically only held together by the church

[daring creek]

Indeed

[storm jungle]

🫡

[violet nexus]

Looking for what they're gonna do with the Star Child business

[storm jungle]

We'll find out

[near wasp]

Probably nothing

[storm jungle]

||in about 10 years||

[crisp heath]

The orphanage on fire makes this lmao

[storm jungle]

its so good

[crisp heath]

Might have to steal this

[daring creek]

Nah dawg I'd just OFF myself if I were in the 40k universe NAH DAWG NAH.

I would've joked about running away infront of a commisar

But like

Death isnt guaranteed

You could be put in the fucking TORTURE MAIDEN MACHINE

[paper haven]

Average Night Lord fan

[daring creek]

[crisp heath]

Oh completely unrelated but

[daring creek]

Do 40k dwellers even know what happiness is

[daring creek]

It could be literal shite

Most likely so

[crisp heath]

Most likely

But interesting that ai can do this

[paper haven]

Happiness isn't real

[left talon]

It’s not interesting

[crisp heath]

You can do this from the browser too

[left talon]

It’s concerning

[dapper gyro]

Humanity was at its strongest when it was ununited. Once united, it becomes shattered by its own size.

[shadow plover]

it's not creating it, it just copies the visuals and recreates it based on those

[daring creek]

What would house Md do in 40k

[crisp heath]

I dont know what I think about it tbh

I hope it's fake

[paper haven]

Become Nurgle's greatest opponent

[daring creek]

I wouldn't be shocked if there weren't already ai generated games.

[crisp heath]

House md would have saved cadia

Ong

[daring creek]

NURGLE GOT NOTHING ON RATBITES

https://tenor.com/view/house-dancing-in-front-of-deaf-patients-room-fight-the-power-house-in-shades-hugh-laurie-house-md-gif-20407298

[crisp heath]

Someone say mice hise

[storm jungle]

WDYM FULLY PLAYABLE WORLD

IT WAS ALREADY A FULLY PLAYABLE WORLD

[crisp heath]

I can't beileve I didn't catch that slander to my beloved

Smdh

[storm jungle]

also I love all these GTA 6 memes

me when huge games take time to make

[paper haven]

I haven't cared about GTA since the fourth game

[storm jungle]

Same but I like the series so

also after RD2 im kinda hooked back into it

[paper haven]

RD2 was a fantastic game

[queen laurel]

Yeah but when I start saying we got GTA 6 before dawn of war 4 I'm suddenly gonna get burned in a pyre

[storm jungle]

100%

again ,I had no idea what i was getting into

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[near wasp]

smiling too much is illegal on some planets

[daring creek]

Watch it be a fucking terabyte

[paper haven]

I always kind of hated the main character of the first game, but Authur Morgan actually is a great character

[storm jungle]

SAME.

I think John is a good character but Arthur is just something else

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-morgan-hot-day-gif-1837632201296304101

[daring creek]

I bought red dead a while ago

Never played

[storm jungle]

Play it, its worth it

"You sir, are a fish."

[paper haven]

You can play him as an absolute bastard, but I found myself naturally falling into trying to be better once he found out he was sick

[storm jungle]

Yeah it works better that way as well

since he actively tries to be a better man

https://tenor.com/view/estou-com-medo-gif-24487508

that fucking look man

[paper haven]

Him admitting that he was afraid was such a gut punch

[crisp heath]

Arthur my boy

[storm jungle]

Hes a good man

[crisp heath]

Sorry I couldn't save you

I stopped giving him alc and smokes and started to try get him to eat 😭

Started using elixirs n what not

[storm jungle]

Bro the way he coughs and shit when you DO use those items 💀

[crisp heath]

That was the best part of the game tbh

So emotional

[paper haven]

However, before he was sick. I played him as an absolute menace

[crisp heath]

I played good karma

I helped the poor

I tried to correct my wrongs

[paper haven]

Everybody got shot or robbed or robbed and then shot

[crisp heath]

Lenny , and my boy Sean 😭

AAAAH

[storm jungle]

"Maybe when your mother's finished mourning your father, I'll keep her in black on your behalf. You think on that boah."

[crisp heath]

Ptsd lmao

[paper haven]

If there was an opportunity, I would have stolen candy from a baby

Fuck them kids

[storm jungle]

Agreed

[paper haven]

A menace.

[crisp heath]

That game was

[storm jungle]

Genuinely

[crisp heath]

I can't even

It's just to real

[storm jungle]

Its just great.

I watched like an 8 hour video analyzing the historical accuracy of RD2, its amazing

[crisp heath]

DID YOU KNOW THE CALLOWAY STORY WAS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM UNFORGIVEN

[storm jungle]

YES!

[crisp heath]

I'm pretty sure Dutch is based on butch Cassidy

Cause the wild bunch ran to south America not cuba

Iirc

[paper haven]

We're going to Tahiti boas!

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[paper haven]

Dutch started to really grate on my nerves as things went on

[storm jungle]

Oh my god dont ge tme started

"I got a PLAN."

[crisp heath]

Dutttch come and rescueee meee

[storm jungle]

"WE JUST NEED MONEY"

SHUT THE FUCK UP

JUST SHUT UP DUTCH

[paper haven]

Alright, I have held up like five trains and robbed three banks. Here's your money, Dutch.

[crisp heath]

Dah do be doah take me to tahitii 🎶

I butchered the meme

[paper haven]

"You gotta pitch in more, Authur."

[crisp heath]

🎶 hey hey trelawny don't you know I have tb 🎶

[storm jungle]

hes also like

such a fucking slippery narccisst too

[crisp heath]

Do be do doah

[storm jungle]

"I only got Micah, hes the one that trusts me"

IM RIGHT HERE

[crisp heath]

I recognized this straight away

How he speaks to you "son"

[paper haven]

Him trusting Micah at all sent me into a rage

[misty vector]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-morgan-pompompurin-red-dead-redemption-2-rdr2-picmix-gif-10179188738298985331

[crisp heath]

And when you think about it , he rescued them as kids and used them.

[misty vector]

Hes so babygirl

[paper haven]

Turns out Micah sold you out to the feds.

[crisp heath]

That was his plan all along

Arthur had been w Dutch for 20 years

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/howlers-den-gasp-shock-star-trek-gif-498338148729931701

[crisp heath]

So he didn't even think of u loyalty

Dutch is master manipulator

[paper haven]

Straight up just viewed Authur as a tool

[crisp heath]

Yep

[storm jungle]

so what you mean is

[crisp heath]

Fucking snake

[storm jungle]

Dutch is the perfect Chapter Master

[paper haven]

Listen

[crisp heath]

To a t lmao

[storm jungle]

"I GOT A PLAN ARTHUR. ONE LAST CRUSADE."

[crisp heath]

Fuck

[paper haven]

We just need MONEY

[crisp heath]

My son's

Listen to me

We got to try

[storm jungle]

GOD

I hate

how much his personality can apply to any verse

"We just need GENE-SEED."

[crisp heath]

Yeah I wanted to throttle him at the end

[storm jungle]

Same

especially tragic considering where he ends up in RD1

work with snakes, die like a snake

[paper haven]

All we gotta do is steal the Gene-seed from this vault. Now, are you with me Authurius?

[crisp heath]

These 2 chapters won't know where the middlemen and gonna take their relics

The whole time lmao

[paper haven]

We're gonna play these two chapters against each other.

[storm jungle]

Oh my god lmfao

[crisp heath]

Wdym they know

[hallow saddle]

Ohhhhh Orthurrr

[storm jungle]

THEY KILLED SCOUT-BROTHER SEAN

[paper haven]

What do you mean they saw right through us and are working together to screw us over now?

[storm jungle]

actually jokes aside

this is legit a perfect plot setup

I might use this for a homebrew thing i was doing lol

[paper haven]

Glad we could help

[crisp heath]

And you mean this whole time we were really pushing our luck which is what they were doing to see how far we would go?

Well I'll be

[storm jungle]

God thats the worst part

[paper haven]

I liked Sean too

[storm jungle]

i was watching a guy play RD2

[crisp heath]

Sean

[storm jungle]

and he was going INSANE by the last times Dutch was mentioning "plans" and "money"

its amazing how much of a proper gaslighter he is

[paper haven]

The italian guy who's just Dutch but more successful was a nice touch

[crisp heath]

Even at the start of the game he does th8s to Arthur

Gives him a choice then makes him feel like he made the wrong one

Even tho both choices are wrong

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

Bronte is a nice example yeah

since hes also the start of the italian mob groups in America

a perfect contrast to the outlaw gangs of the dying times

[crisp heath]

I liked bronte

[storm jungle]

same

its why Dutch saying "our time has passed" is not really correct

crime will always exist and so will outlaws

they just change shapes and forms

[paper haven]

He definitely deserved to get fed to the gators, but Dutch brought that on himself

[crisp heath]

He had a certain way about him that just worked for me

Must have been the whole mob sthick

[tough haven]

Ive got a guy in a server who’s saying “the inquisition is so smart and they’re just misunderstood”

Like come on man

[storm jungle]

Bruh

lol

[tough haven]

It’s a coin flip on if they just fuck things up worse than they started

[hallow saddle]

Fuuuuck RDR2 is so goood

[paper haven]

The Octarius War

[crisp heath]

No one expects the imperial inquisition

[storm jungle]

my favorite Inquisitor is Agent Milton

[tough haven]

I brought up warzone Octarius and he was like “yeah but kryptman lost his badge after”

[storm jungle]

of Ordo Pinkertonus

[tough haven]

Any inquisitor can do this shit though

[crisp heath]

Is this based on the pinkertons!!!!

[paper haven]

Ordo Pinkertonus.

[tough haven]

Hindsight is 20/20

[crisp heath]

They still exist today

[storm jungle]

Hold on

[paper haven]

Sounds legit, we should trust them

[crisp heath]

They do cyber security solutions

[tough haven]

The Ordo tasked with threatening imperial citizens that get their hands on classified items

[crisp heath]

There no longer a millitia for hire smh

[paper haven]

So he admits that the Inquisition fucks up

[tough haven]

Yeah but he said “gotta cut off the hand to save the body”

And that “it’s just that ONE time”

[crisp heath]

For the longest I thought the pinkertons were like the fbi 💀

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[crisp heath]

That's about as far from it as you can be

[paper haven]

There are dozens of examples.

[storm jungle]

Yeah reminder, pinkertons were so bad, they had an entire law made against them

the Pinkerton Act

they were basically a corpo militia

[crisp heath]

They were a millitia for hire

From what I understood

[storm jungle]

yeppers

Yeah basically

[paper haven]

Honestly shocked that law got passed

[storm jungle]

they were sent to destroy or kill unioners if it came down to it

[paper haven]

They must have been completely out of control

[storm jungle]

100% they were

[crisp heath]

Yeah

They were above the law

[storm jungle]

Yep, now you can do that through more "legal" means instead

[crisp heath]

Because the law couldn't realky mess w them

[storm jungle]

or just be like Boeing, and send corporate hitmen lol

[crisp heath]

What you and your deputy are gonna aresst 20 armed pinkertons

[paper haven]

Just shoot them

[storm jungle]

RD2 is great because

[crisp heath]

There chasing you

[storm jungle]

• You get to shoot Pinkertons
• You get to shoot US Cavalrymen

[daring creek]

Who suffers the least in 40k

[crisp heath]

I love how the whole game your evading them

[paper haven]

Also cuban soldiers

[crisp heath]

Man that agent is a cunt

[paper haven]

Strange how they keep finding you basically as soon as you set up in a new place

HMMMM

[storm jungle]

TO BE FAIR

Even before Micah rats

we really leave a huge trail of bodies lol

[crisp heath]

Yeah

It was that whats his name

We robbed his train

He started the search for us

[paper haven]

And then shot him

[crisp heath]

We did later on yes

Leviticus cornwall

Damn that's a english sounding name

[daring creek]

Orks. Lemme be an ork.

[paper haven]

They didn't even get that much money from that train robbery

[daring creek]

Those guys seem to be the only ones having fun

[crisp heath]

Tbf 1000$ was seen as massive wealth in those days

Even 500$ could do alot for you

[storm jungle]

Yeah its like billions now it hink

even 5 bucks was a ton of money

[crisp heath]

5 dollars could have probably bought a horse

Maybe 7$

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

even when you give 10 bucks to someone in RD2

Arthur is like "well it aint no chicken-feed but sure"

[crisp heath]

Ain't no chicken feed just enough to keep your family fed for half a year

[storm jungle]

economy man

its weird

[crisp heath]

Didn't germany during the great depression all of the Frank's in Germany wasn't enough to get a tram

[paper haven]

Imagine saving their worthless lives only to get executed for corruption