40k-lore-chat

[jade holly]

Some Iron Hands fan I am lmao

too much humanity

[rose thorn]

Korsareo, feirros, adrax?

[crystal forum]

the last true iron hand fan in this place was banished to the shadow realm

[arctic talon]

Korssaro isn't CM

[opaque coyote]

I say to the child trying to get their first faction

[rose thorn]

He is? Okay he’s a ‘hunt master’

[jade holly]

Do I even wanna know what happened?

[rose thorn]

Which is the same thing

[arctic talon]

no

[crystal forum]

yes

[arctic talon]

he's Captain of 3rd company

Jubal Khan is chapter master of the White Scars

[rose thorn]

Oh my bad

[arctic talon]

Ferrios also isn't CM

[opaque coyote]

Let's just say

He will eternally be in our replacement hearts

[arctic talon]

he's the head tech marine

and Adrax is 3rd company captain

and #1 warcrimes merchant of the salamanders

[rose thorn]

WHY THE FUCK DOES HE AHVE A MODEL???? GW WHY DID YOU MAKE THIS UTTER STRANGER

[crystal forum]

there is no iron hand CM

[nocturne crest]

Also, I wonder if anyone has managed to take a defiler and make it loyalist.

[rose thorn]

WHY

[crystal forum]

because why focus all your leadership under 1 person

[jade holly]

I’m starting to think I should make Salamanders my favorite faction but I doubt they have cool cyborgs

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

Because he was the main imperial character of the Tau warzone books

[nocturne crest]

Like, cut off all the chaos bits off.

[arctic talon]

so he got a mini

[jade holly]

Then again I also love Admech

[opaque coyote]

I mean they are racist

Like

[arctic talon]

Adrax was part of the primaris mini wave

[opaque coyote]

Actually

Unironically

Racist

[jade holly]

Literally everyone in 40k is though no?

[arctic talon]

IGNEAN

[rose thorn]

I’m baffled

[arctic talon]

no like

irl racism

[rose thorn]

It’s so stupid

[arctic talon]

they hate a minority group on their homeworld

called the Igneans

this isn't a joke

[jade holly]

Damn

[arctic talon]

Kyme actually wrote this

[storm jungle]

I like it ngl

[arctic talon]

There's a Salamander who's an ignean

and he basicially gets shit on

[storm jungle]

idk why people assume human-on-human racism wouldnt exist in 40k

[arctic talon]

by his Squad SGT

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

oh no its just

funny that Kyme wrote this

and he got irl racism like

down to a T

[rose thorn]

Okay

Alternative working

Why do the chapter specific detachments only affect the new character and not their chapter masters / any other characters they have

[arctic talon]

perfectly

[storm jungle]

IGNI-

[opaque coyote]

Salamanders got some bad luck in their books tbh

I mean their Primarch is in the fucking War of the Beast

[jade holly]

You think some members of the Imperium would call servitors clankers?

[storm jungle]

Uhhh probably

💀

[arctic talon]

Because in the case of IF and Sallies they're basicially the face of the chapter, for sallies Vulkan He'stan is more important then the chapter master

[opaque coyote]

I mean would you call your coffee machine a clanker?

[arctic talon]

and the IF chapter master

literally dies every 3 editions

so he doesn't count

[crystal forum]

those damn cadian immigrants ruining the local youth by teaching them "drill discipline" and "cadia stands"

[arctic talon]

For WS their thing isn't out yet

so idfk

[jade holly]

Can’t believe we live in a day and age where we use clanker as an actual term for robots lol

[arctic talon]

Wdym Cadian immigrants

[rose thorn]

Why doesn’t it say ‘tor or ysander’

[arctic talon]

you mean fresh meat

[arctic talon]

because its the first company detachment

and Tor isn't part of 1st company

[crystal forum]

from the perspective of an unlucky world subjected to cadia refugees

[arctic talon]

the detachment is themed around the Imperial fists first company

[jade holly]

Is there any planets in 40k that are relatively just a chill normal planet?

[arctic talon]

yeah

but we don't get lore on them

[storm jungle]

Ngl I dont know why it started becoming a thing

[arctic talon]

because they're boring

[storm jungle]

clanker is such a joke "slur"

[arctic talon]

Clanker has been a thing for ages

[storm jungle]

i cannot take it seriously

[arctic talon]

in star wars

for like

battle droids

:sk

[jade holly]

I know that

[arctic talon]

anyways don't use a slur for AI, it doesn't deserve one

its not sentient or sapient

[rose thorn]

Why, theme a detachment around 1 company? When there’s already a detachment called first company

[opaque coyote]

That's probably why it became popular.

[arctic talon]

because the detachments are sidegrades

[dapper gyro]

In the future, "Borg" would be an insult, too.

[arctic talon]

to the existing ones

[opaque coyote]

It's not meant to be taken seriously

[storm jungle]

Unfortunately.

[arctic talon]

they're not meant to be entierly new ones

[jade holly]

Oh I’m done with Wano

[arctic talon]

they're meant to be sidegrades to existing SM detachments

[crystal forum]

the idea that an LLM can be insulted is itself an insult to our state of sentience

[rose thorn]

[jade holly]

I started OP midway through July… is that a problem

And I’m already done with Wano

[arctic talon]

because GW doesn't want to actually give marines that many detachments to pick from

lol

I'm guessing

[opaque coyote]

Welcome to hell

[arctic talon]

this is a level of favoritism but it isn't like

that much favoritism

if that makes sense

[rose thorn]

And the RG one is based off the whole chapter so it’s fine

[jade holly]

What nationalities are the Iron Hands usually based on?

[rose thorn]

Since he’s the new chapter master

[crystal forum]

boring

[rose thorn]

Otherwise shrike would be the special interaction

[jade holly]

or is that not a thing for chapters?

[crystal forum]

but medusa has greek elements

obviously

[arctic talon]

Greek, Scotsman, some Judaism stuff

[storm jungle]

^

[jade holly]

I see them as the industrial heavy machinery guys so my mind goes to stuff like Russia and Germany

[rose thorn]

Scotsman?

[arctic talon]

yes

[crystal forum]

german is imperial fists

[storm jungle]

Blow me bagpipes......

[arctic talon]

celtic woul be more accurate

then scottish

sorry lo

[jade holly]

Techmarine walking out playing 3 bagpipes at once

[rose thorn]

Is there a reference in iron hands I’m not getting?

[arctic talon]

No

its just for naming

not culture

[rose thorn]

Oh okay

[arctic talon]

IH culture is completely made up

lol

most of the marine chapters cultures are

compltetely made up

[crystal forum]

space wolves could have had russian influence if fantasy wasn't dominated by pure undistilled nordic factions for some fucking reason

[jade holly]

IH culture is just… you know that one group in SCP that worship machinery?

Literally that

Church of the Broken God

[rose thorn]

I wonder if knights of the raven have gotten any new lore

[opaque coyote]

You're now gonna be posting about how Aokiji will beat everyone

Because Kuzan is much faster and can freeze his opponent

[arctic talon]

they got a tiny bit

[jade holly]

But I’m a Fujitora bro

[arctic talon]

in Crusade Tyrannic war

and a white dwarf

[rose thorn]

Oh neat

[jade holly]

Why freeze everyone when you can drop meteors on them

[arctic talon]

good luck finding that white dwarf

💀

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[opaque coyote]

But kuzan is much faster and can freeze his opponents

[jade holly]

Yes but that’s not as fun now is it?

[opaque coyote]

True

[rose thorn]

I forgot what do knights of the raven do now? It got changed a bit last I heard

[dapper gyro]

One Piece argument... Pointless.

[arctic talon]

As in the marine chapter? Same stuff as always culturally

And behaviorally

They haven’t changed much

[opaque coyote]

God I fucking love power scaling based memes

They are

So stupid

[arctic talon]

They got some new termie stuff

[opaque coyote]

[jade holly]

I forget, are Dark Angels rat bastards or nah?

[arctic talon]

Kinda

[rose thorn]

Honor, bikes, and a little stealth?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Honor, bikes, some stealth

Also apparently like terminators

[rose thorn]

But you can’t telefrag with bikes

[arctic talon]

The terminator stuff is new

[rose thorn]

I guess that makes sense?

[jade holly]

Imagine a terminator with tank treads for legs

[dapper gyro]

Aren't Knight of the Raven the primaris who don't want to associate with their 1st founding?

[arctic talon]

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcTG0BupDuhvx2FIA6uhOHgLPb0GaRuWa5uu2eKN-c0t78q1CbRj3IAEtje2wz7wwN-87O73lOSOf5j1Bv61fwJjx4H28StqNQsY_YkwrZsAEtClMaBRVs_KHw

[rose thorn]

I’d say that’s soul drinkers but they don’t know their first founding

[jade holly]

Hell yeah

[rose thorn]

i hate soul drinkers

[arctic talon]

Love me kataphrons

[crystal forum]

weakest admech security guards

[arctic talon]

Weakest mechanicus lobotomites

[jade holly]

I love how Admech are, by their very nature, incompetent as Hell yet extremely fucking dangerous at the same time

[dapper gyro]

Soul Drinkers don't know their 1st founding, but they want to be associated with IF. It is the opposite.

[arctic talon]

They’re incompetent and competent

It’s so funny

[jade holly]

They’re competent at being incompetent

And it wraps back around into competency

[crystal forum]

it's like giving a nuclear bomb to a religious fanatic

[arctic talon]

Mmmmm radiation

[jade holly]

Children of the atom be like

[arctic talon]

They literally worship radiation

The mechanicus

As a holy cleansing light

[rose thorn]

Omg drukhari is literally the last faction

[arctic talon]

FULL REWRITE!!!!!

[dapper gyro]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/doom/images/3/35/Tumblr_c9390b82e9ef999e5386151d5cf217ae_6470d4fa_1280.png/revision/latest?cb=20200426074013

[arctic talon]

It’s literally a full rewrite

There’s no way it isn’t

[jade holly]

I bet just standing near one will be like being at the point blank blast zone of fat boy

[dapper gyro]

Doom Hunter is so metal and mental.

[arctic talon]

Skitarii vanguard literally are so radioactive they cause radiation poisoning to people

[jade holly]

True rivals to Nurgle

[crystal forum]

the primaris reinforcements for soul drinkers arrived to their destination only to realize that the entire chapter was destroyed btw

[rose thorn]

Idk if it will be funnier if it’s a foot hero or if it’s a huge refresh with bad rules

[rose thorn]

Good

[arctic talon]

Same with myrmidon war priests

lol

[crystal forum]

they literally are trying to understand what they're even supposed to do

[arctic talon]

Myrmidons also give off a fuck ton of radiation

Not an issue for anyone past the crux mechanicus

Big issue for any weak flesh bags

[jade holly]

Now I see why Iron Hands loves these toaster loving goobers

[dapper gyro]

Me too, I have a radioactive aura.

[nocturne crest]

Iirc, they have servitors instead of serfs.

[crystal forum]

"love" is a strong word

[arctic talon]

They have serfs

[jade holly]

Compared to the other chapters

[crystal forum]

mechanicus basically made shit up and made iron hands think they had a debt to mechanicus

after the HH

[jade holly]

Gaslight gatekeep radiate

[arctic talon]

Multipart archon and Malys apparently

[crystal forum]

and for a long time the mechanicus were controlling iron hands behind the scenes

[jade holly]

Honestly the Mechanicus are a scary ass group

[crystal forum]

but iron hands have a chad character now who realizes how dumb the chapter has become

[jade holly]

They just look like jokes, but looking at the influence they have…

[crystal forum]

and they're changing slowly

[jade holly]

Noooo not my funny heartless cyborgs

[crystal forum]

they're still heartless

[jade holly]

Yay

[rose thorn]

that would pretty funny

[crystal forum]

just not actively stupid

[arctic talon]

Tbf

The faction has never been actively stupid

It’s always a coin toss member to member

lol

[rose thorn]

Also I might know what the fyreslayer model is

[arctic talon]

They just got curse of no army syndrome till 7e

Which means they’re easy to make as scapegoats/incomptent in book

Lol

[jade holly]

How much stronger are IH Techmarines compared to other chapter Techmarines

[nocturne crest]

I wonder how IH fans would feel if Ferrus got brought back, but he became an agents of the imperium exclusive unit.

[crystal forum]

they're taught directly on mars

[arctic talon]

IH tech marines are very good

[jade holly]

Don’t they usually have more Techmarines than other chapters

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

their captains are basically techmarines

[jade holly]

Admech priests when they pray to a fax machine and it starts printing

[arctic talon]

They don’t just pray

Tbf

The mechanicus do understand what they’re doing

For a large chunk of the things they’re doing

[jade holly]

I know I just love those jokes

[arctic talon]

It’s just under many layers of

crap lol

[jade holly]

Admech in reality is honestly terrifying

Their competent incompetency combined with their influence in the imperium

[arctic talon]

Like no you don’t need to fucking turn off the printer before printing with it

But the mechanicus do it anyways

Because it somehow became codified lol

[crystal forum]

it's the cargo cult idea

they just do things expecting it to work since it's worked before

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

yes im forcing you all to learn

[arctic talon]

I already know what a cargo cult is

[crystal forum]

other people might not!!

[arctic talon]

[vagrant fox]

I also knew smile

[rose thorn]

omfg im ight be right i clocked the fyreslayer model

[crystal forum]

who would win

[rose thorn]

in lore or in game

[crystal forum]

lore

[rose thorn]

necrons by a country mile lma o

[crystal forum]

but these are knights

[rose thorn]

necrons are supposed to be uber OP in lore

you just never seei t

except in necorn books

[crystal forum]

i think a full house of knights would give necrons a bit of a pause at the minimum

[vagrant fox]

Knights are mechs and mechs are lame so the necron no diffs the knights

[crystal forum]

i used to think this until i read kingmaker

i love knights now

[vagrant fox]

That aside it depends on how awake the necrons are

Kingmaker just made me like assassins more

[opaque coyote]

no

[vagrant fox]

It's my guarantee

[crystal forum]

why does it look like a small child

[rose thorn]

its literally the size of one lmao

[crystal forum]

he wants the nuggies

the first accurate tabletop sized imperator titan

[rose thorn]

seeing these make me wanna get the HH epic game knight army

[crystal forum]

doooont

[rose thorn]

but htey are so coooool

[crystal forum]

weren't you going to buy more aos stuff

[rose thorn]

true

unless they release a knights mini army set i forgot what its called

[plush mason]

blasphemy

well the mechs being lame part

[tough haven]

Yeah, it would certainly provide a small tactical challenge

but when your weakest footsoldier can fire a weapon that can easily disitegrate a key component if fired at the right time

the odds are certainly not in the knights favor

and in the image

there is at least one monolith

so uh

good luck with that

Along with at least one doomsday ark which can annihilate titans or even starships

and triarch stalkers are no joke either, their heat rays can do some serious damage to knight armor, but they are more easily dispatched

[rose thorn]

KAMEN RIDER MOVIE IS AMAZING AAAAAAAAAA

it may or may not be all fan service

[arctic talon]

Monolith means the knights are fucked lol

[opaque coyote]

I think in this case

A literal guardsman swarm would work

Give some of them plasma and melta

Since armor doesn't matter like you say

Swarm tactics might actually be the best

Also apply liberal usage of air support if it's on the surface. Preferably before there's boots on the ground.

If it's underground then uh

💀

Might as well bury the tomb further to delay the Necrons

Oh wait they have teleportation nvm

[tough haven]

Cause a plot device to make the necrons beatable

thats what every book fighting them does

[opaque coyote]

So true.

[tough haven]

"uhhh the rocks here just happen to have the effect of blocking reanimation protocols and phasing"

[opaque coyote]

Still though swarm tactics might actually work against the necrons

Well

"work"

It's the least worst

[tough haven]

Tesla weapons

Annihilation barge go

[opaque coyote]

Oh right

💀

Does it have the same armor rending properties as like

The Gauss guns

Which literally disassembles molecules and goes through any armor

Yup

Yup it does

[late verge]

genuine question: why are space marines religious in dawn of war

did the emperor used to like, wanna be worshipped as a god in the old fluff?

[opaque coyote]

Cause most of them are

[opaque coyote]

Most who were there in the great crusade are dead

The oldest is ~1000 years old

Nobody remembers the Emperor's actual desire for no gods

[late verge]

but then what abt the black templars' worship of the emperor is so unique

[opaque coyote]

So they all worship him as a result

[opaque coyote]

Because they're especially insane

[late verge]

hmmmmm

do you have sources

[crystal forum]

bruh

read the lexi

[paper haven]

Balck Templars are extreme even in the eyes of extremists

[tough haven]

Read any black templar excerpt or source lol

They are so fanatical that the fanatics go "whoah there buddy, calm down"

[late verge]

i mean for the claim that most space marines worship the emperor as a god

[crystal forum]

most astartes chapters dont actually worship him as a god

[late verge]

^

[paper haven]

Some do.

[tough haven]

There are some that do, some that dont, its a mix based on chapter culture, traditions, and various other variables

[paper haven]

Blood Ravens are one of those.

[late verge]

so its just a blaven quirk

that makes more sense

[tough haven]

But mostly due to what they said, if it isnt passed down into chapter culture that he was just a man, it doesnt get remembered

[opaque coyote]

They literally killed their Primaris reinforcements along with the custodes because they thought that it went against the Emperor's edict.

[late verge]

huh

interesting

[crystal forum]

the chapter who's sole existence is based entirely on games i have not played

[late verge]

theyre in space marine 1 actually

[crystal forum]

no they are not

[paper haven]

They're the magpies, I think.

[opaque coyote]

No

[late verge]

yes they are

[crystal forum]

a color scheme is not a chapter

[paper haven]

Blood angels =/= Blood ravens

Two completely different chapters

[late verge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjyElFKs2yA

no theyre blood ravens

they say theyre black ravens

[crystal forum]

oh the first game

never played it dont know

[late verge]

oh i see

[tough haven]

So the first statement is correct

[paper haven]

I thought they were Blood angels, my bad

[late verge]

truth

[paper haven]

I was sure that the Blood ravens exclusively showed up in the dawn of war games

[late verge]

fair mistake, i dont like that the blavens are also called "blood (something)" when one of the most famous other chapters is also called blood something

[crystal forum]

they dont show up outside games that's for sure

[opaque coyote]

Huh must have misremembered

[late verge]

they couldn't've called themselves like, the red ravens or something? alliteration? yeah?

idk

i still love blavens even if theyre very silly

[paper haven]

The guy who made them is not a very creative man

[late verge]

funniest space marines

[crystal forum]

doubt

there are much funnier ones

[paper haven]

Also didn't they like. Fully turn traitor or something?

[crystal forum]

like minotaurs

[paper haven]

Dawn of war 2 made it seem like there was no going back for the chapter

[late verge]

im sure there are other funny ones but I personally cant ever get over "spehs mehreens"

[opaque coyote]

Nope, only a huge part of them

They still exist as an entity

They got Primaris reinforcements

[paper haven]

Including the chapter master?

[late verge]

their librarian right?

[paper haven]

Even if some loyalist elements remain, that's pretty much a death sentence for them as an orginization

[late verge]

dont they have loads of psykers for some reason

[opaque coyote]

They're just about as numerous as the thousand sons

...

Gene-son momen

[paper haven]

What a strange happenstance

But wait, why aren't their non-psykers all vaporized?

[late verge]

yeah isnt that what the whole thing about dark angels with the fallen is about

[jade holly]

Could a TechMarine librarian exist?

[paper haven]

Didn't Ahriman's Big Fuck Up affect all thousand sons?

[crystal forum]

the fallen are the minority

[late verge]

ohhh

[opaque coyote]

No idea.

[crystal forum]

no

[paper haven]

Great plot hole, GW

[opaque coyote]

It's a mystery (tm).

We don't know how they managed to not get sandpilled

Or not turned into Chaos spawn

[crystal forum]

i refuse to learn anything about thousand sons because they're boring

[paper haven]

The books have like, some mention of mutation risk for new recruits

But that's it

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-of-ra-curse-of-ra-gif-10622361558915339590

[crystal forum]

prospero should have been burned the moment emp found it

[paper haven]

Space wolves did nothing wrong

[jade holly]

I read that as perospero

[opaque coyote]

cries with my books

[jade holly]

I’m too OP brained right now

[opaque coyote]

Also

Yamato is hot

[jade holly]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

I think whole cake island is generally one of my favorite arcs

Sanji is still on my top 5 one piece character list

Even ignoring the fact that Toei somehow made him worse

[late verge]

right??? they are not boring, ultramarines are boring, dont lump them together

[crystal forum]

reminder

[lament shoal]

Chickens

[opaque coyote]

(half of the drink is filled with ice)

[opaque coyote]

also

By Ilya Belyakov

"WE ARE BEHIND ON THE BABY SKINNING QUOTA. COULD NONE OF YOU FIND AN ABANDONED CRIB TO STEAL AND FLAY?"

[opaque coyote]

aaaannnnnnnnndd finally

[paper haven]

I mean, that is what is most likely to happen to you if you leap from an aircraft in low orbit while being actively shot at.

[languid meadow]

The power of character driven plot

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[shrewd depot]

I mean...

You can argument that for most other races, but with Orks he was probably operating on, 'Well the Orks have built all their guns for shooting down ships. I will simply leave the ship."

[celest dome]

There were still hails of bullets going arounds

[lofty mason]

I refuse to believe that a space marine chapter has only around 1,000 Astartes per chapter. Is this another case of GW's poor sense of scale or intentional? For an empire with a million worlds, having only around million Astartes seems infinitesimal.

[celest dome]

yes

gw and numbers

[shrewd depot]

There's a few recent videos that actually show off a Chapter's size

The 1000 marines sounds silly until you realise how much more there is

[lofty mason]

I feel like there need to be at least a billion to ten billion Astartes to make a difference in a galactic-scale war.

[shrewd depot]

You also have to realise that there's a Hell of a lot more Chapters than we know about and some don't give a shit about the number limit

Ala Black Templars with their 8k+

[hexed orchid]

They are intentionally undersized, they're supposed to show up for complete shitshows and there are never enough as the imperium grinds towards damnation

[lofty mason]

You mean there are chapters still undescovered?

https://tenor.com/view/space-king-space-king-chestnut-warhammer-gif-1233012471148688620

[shrewd depot]

Literally every fanmade creation is canon to 40k in some way

I think I've heard that before lmao

But yeh, every fan character/custom paint job is technically a whole ass Chapter in 40k

[shadow plover]

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FixupX · Sep 3, 2025, 3:54 PM

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/hWo7XGxblCU?si=FlFAWPPZY86LrUQ3

[raven stone]

So

Demons for HH are added as a download list

Only interesting if you want to speculate on how GW is slowly pushing to have 8 Chaos gods instead of the current 4 (5 if you count Malal, 6 if you count Vashtorr)

[shrewd depot]

Huuuuuh

[raven stone]

From the Ruinstorm list, we can pretty much “map” 6 out of 8

Leaving 2

[shrewd depot]

How the fuck did we go from 4 to 8

[raven stone]

Infernal Tempest and Encoraching Ruin

(It’s a stealth lore expansion when some HH PDF gave each point on the 8 pointed Chaos Star a name)

[shrewd depot]

Thats actually not terrible

[raven stone]

So, full rundown…
Encroaching Ruin - ???
Heedless Slaughter - Khorne
Putrid Corruption - Nurgle
Rapturous sensation - Slaanesh
Formless Dostortion - Tzeentch
Infernal Tempest - ???
Ravenous Dissolution - Malal
Malevolent Artifice - Vashtorr

Would be interesting if Horned Rat and the…Chaos Dwarf thing…from AoS eventually make it on this list.

Also IIRC Encroaching Ruin is “between” Khorne/Nurgle on the star.
And Infernal Tempest…ok I can’t quite recall where that is

(Horned Rat feels appropriate for Encroaching Ruin, given what I know of the Skaven)

I mean yes I am aware of three Imperium = Skaven memes

But having actual 40k Skaven would be pretty cool too

[queen laurel]

granted here's orks and imperium

[shrewd depot]

The problem with adding Skaven is that Ratkin already exist as abhumans

[raven stone]

I mean, could be actual Rat based Xenos

[shrewd depot]

Like the Votann are basically just abhumans

[raven stone]

Chaos aligned Votann when

[queen laurel]

also if you port them straight up raw which are backstabbing untrustworthy bad guys with very unstable weapons that's literally just orks

the reason why they won't work in 40K is their general shtick is overtaken by multiple factions

[shrewd depot]

I mean

Their thing is actually closer to the Imperium

A race of borderline insane/indoctrinated slaves using tech they don't understand from a more prosperous age.

[queen laurel]

there are three points why orks work better in my opinion

They either use monsters that are very aggressive and shouldn't exist or technology so volatile it makes cyber trucks seem like the best vehicle around

They are irredeemable bastards and trusting them could get you absolutely pounded to the floor as they kill you

#3 they talk funny and everyone loves the way they talk funny and mimics the way they talk funny

[shrewd depot]

I mean

if Orks sometimes used hyper advanced tech, that wasn't scrap, I'd kinda agree with you

But Skaven, specifically, use old tech they made and now just keep running with duct tape and crack

[queen laurel]

I mean I'm not talking about being advanced here I'm talking about both the fact that their technology are both unreliable

[shrewd depot]

So is the Imperiums lmao

[queen laurel]

would you describe their as unreliable and prone to exploding

[shrewd depot]

Plasma weapons.

[queen laurel]

jamming breaking down randomly

[queen laurel]

that does not happen as often as you think

troopers are trained to regulate its temperature

[shrewd depot]

I mean

I've literally binged 2 vehicle heavy books, Titanicus and Baneblade

And the Imperium's tech was treated very sketchily

They literally operate on the assumption praying hard enough will keep their tanks running

[queen laurel]

They are treated with reverence that is different I'm talking about technology here that is unstable and if it works properly is amazing but if it doesn't it becomes into a random pile of junk that can kill you

[plush mason]

how many "titan killers" does the guard have aside from the shadowsword?

[queen laurel]

that's what skaven and ork tech is

[shrewd depot]

Only thing I've found vehicle based so far is a 'Doomhammer'

[left talon]

The massive space ship lasers

[plush mason]

well thats the navy

[green loom]

*Malice fyi fyi

[raven stone]

Heh true

[rocky gale]

Encroaching Ruin being Dark King

[summer mural]

Who guards the astromonican

[storm jungle]

The starting votann were but now not really, they are basically an entirely clone race thats genetically edited depending on whatever the ancestor core (aka you the player) want them to be.

[remote widget]

Why didn't aurelian immediately report lorgar to the emperor when they drew on him?

Seems like that would count as notable

[storm jungle]

Because plot.

we need the Heresy to happen

[tough haven]

40K is a tragedy through and through about people supposed to be smart making poor choices compounding on each other

[storm jungle]

Lmao

thats one way to look at it

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-duh-gif-13669009

[remote widget]

Better answer!

Otherwise it'd be much more efficient to say all the gods just flipped some coins to decide and mindmelted all the chaos primarchs and yoinked their kids.

And kicked big e in the balls on the way out.

bish bash bosh, saved several dozen years of writing

[tough haven]

This is it described in one gif

[storm jungle]

The joke was thats more my point.

literally almost nothing the Imperials do in 30k makes any sense lol

you can only handwave it with "Oh they just didnt know any better" so much

[tough haven]

Another explanation, in 30k there was some psychic parasite that makes you stupid and it was completely widespread to humanity

[storm jungle]

Yeah its called Black Library Writers

a terminal illness

[tough haven]

Thank the Emperor it’s died down a little

It’s hard to eradicate it fully

Cause it mutates into new names every time

Instead of the beach that makes you old, it’s the writing group that makes you stupid

[ornate estuary]

But it's so grim and dank. It's gotta be the grimdankiest.

[crystal forum]

there's also way too many types of votaan to classify them as a single species imo

it's not like ogryns where they're all basically the same

[storm jungle]

Yeah that as well

when the rulebook outright says you can modify your homebrew Kin however you want it kinda further proves that entire point

[crystal forum]

some are born to survive toxic environments better, some are born to be better fighters

[celest dome]

Then numbers don't really matter to them being a single species or not though

[crystal forum]

it's like if tau were actually cool

[celest dome]

Ogryn do appear to be a convergent class though

But Squat and Ratling aren't as far as we know

[crystal forum]

votaan lets you genetically modify your units but they all still look like ugly short men

[paper haven]

Too bad the T'au aren't cool

[crystal forum]

you are born into a caste
we are born to fulfill our kin role
we are not the same

[balmy tusk]

I forgot, but was Vandoth the Fallen's background ever confirmed?

I find it funny that there might be a random blood angels marine running around killing people on necromunda and drinking their blood

[queen laurel]

he's basically confirmed the marine yeah but

we don't know how the hell he got there

[crystal forum]

you can literally see his black carapace

[celest dome]

Didn't we have soft confirmation on which Legion he was from ?

[rose thorn]

helsmiths refer to them selves as Zharradron so ill probably call them that for now on

[rose thorn]

blood angels

[crystal forum]

necromunda is the one place where a rogue space marine is not the weirdest thing to see

[rose thorn]

its literlaly right on his knife

[crystal forum]

blood angel yeah

the warhammer community post even points to it

[celest dome]

The most fun thing is tha Necromunda is a recruitment for a SM legion

But not Blood Angels 🙃

[queen laurel]

his knife sheathe

[crystal forum]

he's prob gone completely insane by now so i doubt they'd want him back anyways

yet he has not fallen to the blood angel insanities

[queen laurel]

and the rumours of thirst for blood makes him a blood angel

[celest dome]

Still honestly think that Munda should get a IF Hanger-on

With the effect that he can take out some Juves to be sent to the IF for intronation in exchange for coins

[queen laurel]

They are also literally take the defining traits of each dwarf faction in order and literally make each of it the worst possible one and boom you mix them into pot and you have it

[rose thorn]

lmao

[crystal forum]

if anything, munda needs arbites

cmon GW the people yearn for more cop larpers

[queen laurel]

But they already have a cop faction

[crystal forum]

that's a private army faction

and tabletop deserves more arbites that aren't just generic imperial agents

[celest dome]

They got High noble cops

[queen laurel]

what no they're a private police force

[celest dome]

Don't think we would really need more of it unless they're just a Hanger-On

[crystal forum]

they are literally used as a private mercenary force

[celest dome]

Helmawr's private army

[crystal forum]

plus thematically they look like mercs

[celest dome]

Eh, not really

[crystal forum]

they have a lot of guns

[queen laurel]

Yeah but like mercenaries don't usually look like these guys

They're way too unified

[crystal forum]

true

but i still want cool arbites

and they'd still be their own thing

arbites look and act very differently than palatine

in fact they'd fight eachother constantly

[queen laurel]

they use similar gear too so literally

i love arbites

but like the enforcers are already the cops that do their job

[celest dome]

Ye, would be redundant if they would be a faction

[crystal forum]

i just want more arbites representation

[celest dome]

Honestly they should introduce it in the Agent of the Imperium stuff then

Not Munda

[crystal forum]

arbites are already in imperial agents

they're like the common line unit

[paper haven]

How would private militaries be portrayed?
Noble house troops and the like?

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

they already exist

[queen laurel]

also these cops have robocop but way more lobotomized and given a body the size of ogryn

[storm jungle]

Private militaries at teh end of the day are basically well equipped goons of the rich and the elite, theres plenty examples of them in 40k.

[paper haven]

Because robocop worked so well in the movies

[celest dome]

Military grade Gangers could be cool, though Vann Saar already are better equipped

[crystal forum]

"we can rebuild him, we have the technology but i don't want to spend a lot of money"

[paper haven]

Vann Saar can't even make it to the surface. Next

[balmy tusk]

A faction of guys who are all just kitbashed with a Bone Scrivener model as a base

[storm jungle]

Surface? What surface

[balmy tusk]

Love this little guy

fat fuck

[paper haven]

Well. I'm sure that there is a surface of some description

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

I have no idea what they mean

[balmy tusk]

Van Saar have ash wastes units, don't they

[storm jungle]

All Houses do

[paper haven]

Oh well, nevermind then.

Fuck me I guess.

[celest dome]

They didn't have any dedicated vehicle other than the spider rig

[storm jungle]

???

what lmao

[paper haven]

Not literally

[storm jungle]

Bruh

well okay i guess

[balmy tusk]

They use their gravboard thingies and ash-jumpers

[celest dome]

They said to not mind them, what are you doing minding them

[crystal forum]

van saar are the perfect example of the 40k rule about "any faction dealing with archeotech must have a greater amount of downsides than what is given to them"

[storm jungle]

Because I got a mind

[crystal forum]

like oh you get space lasers but also super cancer

[celest dome]

Well mind other peoples, like Jay

[storm jungle]

Well yeah otherwise people will call them mary sues (and they still do but still)

Bionicle mechs my beloved

I love these

[crystal forum]

it's just a little obvious sometimes

[storm jungle]

ıts needed unfortunately

otherwise its a bit blatant

[crystal forum]

votaan: they have STC's but they're senile and also possibly crazy

[storm jungle]

if they had a perfect STC they'd also likely slowly take over Munda

[storm jungle]

Also needed because it adds a nice Negative

nothing can be exactly perfect

[crystal forum]

hey i didnt say it doesnt work

it's just like a monkey paw thing

[queen laurel]

oh my god deff dreads but more advanced

[crystal forum]

or taking a wish from a racist genie

[storm jungle]

Not even racist

just a genie

those things are always cunts

"I can give you what you want but your eyeballs will pop out."

"What sense does that even make."

"Lol idk deal with it."

[crystal forum]

oh you want to be rich?

buries you in a mountain of gold

[storm jungle]

fucking STALKER ending

[rose thorn]

i think these guys are getting scammed that sword is lame as shit

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/lM0teS7PFMo

recommend watching this btw, its amazing

[queen laurel]

i say orks and skaven are beloved and not called mary sues because of one thing

their race is highly aggressive with everyone and each other, that they are kept in check by this because they are constantly killing themselves

[crystal forum]

ye i saw it lol

[celest dome]

The best way to deal with a Genie is to just chuck the lamp in a mire

[celest dome]

Skaven weren't Mary/Gary Sue-ish until the End Time

And they became that cause they lost their basic problems

As in them being able to unite and work together without a cascade of backstabbing

[queen laurel]

i said not called mary sues because of one thing cacty

[crystal forum]

lore accurate worm

[celest dome]

Yes, and during the Et they lost that trait

[queen laurel]

i was taking age of sigmar into account where they are mostly not that mary sue ish

[celest dome]

Yes, they're back to "normal"

[queen laurel]

hey they almost failed the great horned rat from ascending

So at least they are being handled way better now

[paper haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/271835888722378753/1407525526343778375/20250819_203929.jpg?ex=68badb0c&is=68b9898c&hm=44892a73cb64d570a3a4f2d02acddfa4af02d2a4b6d2e3f49eea10a0e723bbb9&

[wintry scarab]

I need to change my pants

[storm jungle]

Hmmm

[summer mural]

why

looks like generic marine

with laurels of victory

probably got em from oiling calgars back every day or something

[rocky gale]

Firstslop for the old gooners

[summer mural]

i understood nothing in that statement

[hexed orchid]

It seems... Smoother... Than expected

[paper haven]

I'm not sure what the issue is

Clearly I'm a fake fan

[vagrant fox]

firstslop for old gooners like me

[crystal forum]

there was already a mark 7 helmet in the game like 7 months ago

[rocky gale]

Too long ago for the grandpa’s to remember

[crystal forum]

in fact they've been slowly drip feeding mark 7 armour pieces into the game for a while

because they know old gooners will play the events to get the full kit

i need to log in to check if gravis armour has actual gravis options for helmets

[vagrant fox]

more like stinkis

[storm jungle]

Woke..............

https://tenor.com/view/cachorro-gif-3496462739915813872

[wintry scarab]

oh, my sweet summer child

[crystal forum]

literally nobody in this 40k lore channel knows what you're talking about

[wintry scarab]

Was that to me?

[crystal forum]

yes

[rocky gale]

It’s usually said to me but I don’t remember saying anything

[storm jungle]

I assumed it was said to me

I do not know a lot of things

[queen laurel]

Alright I'm pretty sure this is said to me because my rambling sounds like someone got their head replaced with noodles

[summer mural]

I know a tonne of lore

[crystal forum]

metric amount of lore

[wintry scarab]

Im confused

[crystal forum]

#40k-lore-chat message

it's just mark 7 helmet

what is special

[summer mural]

That's what I asked too

I bet it's leandross new helmet

[wintry scarab]

What? We just dont get that sort of thing on primaris. Like ever. And its just cool to see.

[crystal forum]

what kind of thing

[summer mural]

Oh

[crystal forum]

the sergeant skull? the laurels?

[summer mural]

I guess the hype is the helm itself, I thought it was a teaser for something

Fair enough ig

[rocky gale]

It’s not just any helmet it’s the helm of Signafulus, 4th lieutenant of the 9th company Ultramarines

[languid meadow]

Leo over here wears chaplin helmet he wouldn't be wearing an old mark with laurels

[crystal forum]

of course how could i forget

[summer mural]

Is that a real name

[crystal forum]

genericus the third

[rocky gale]

All names are real

[summer mural]

oh shit I completely blanked out him being a chaplain the whole game

[rocky gale]

Except Vince, fake as name

[summer mural]

Is it pronounced signaflus

Because that's the sound of guilliman sneezing pretty sure

[languid meadow]

the helm without the hood looks like a skinhead

https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-running-run-leave-quick-gif-25686144

[storm jungle]

Average black templar fan gathering

[summer mural]

Chaplain helms are cool

[crystal forum]

literally just a skull

[summer mural]

YES SKULLS ARE COOL

God

[crystal forum]

skull with a low mohawk

bad to the bone meme

[languid meadow]

no wonder they wear hoods the mohawk makes it lose all aura

[summer mural]

Is the crozius arcanum used like an axe or a club, it doesn't look very.. sharp, also looks very to get it bent out of shape hitting someone with it

[rocky gale]

Y’all think if Phineas and Ferb were a drag double act they’d be called Skinnyass and Serve?

[crystal forum]

larmoth

thinass was right there

[queen laurel]

@storm jungle add this to the lore-chatian whiplash

[summer mural]

I bet the mandalorians would be a decent guardsmen regiment

[jade holly]

What the fuck did I just read

[rocky gale]

An artist at work

[summer mural]

The Truth

[crystal forum]

thinass is still way better

[summer mural]

You read the emperor playing 4d chess with tzeentch

[rocky gale]

Na it doesn’t flow with the name as well

[crystal forum]

thin ass

phineas

[rocky gale]

Skinnyass rhymes better

Than Thinass

[crystal forum]

we need a neutral third party to decide

[summer mural]

Also if there were video games in 40k would playing them empower tzeentch

And is there a tzeentchian cult of hard-core gamers

[queen laurel]

Skinnyass

[crystal forum]

bribed

[wintry scarab]

Im still super confused why i got shat on for this. SM2 added a mk8 (We have never seen a MK8 helmet on a primaris to my knowlege.) Some guy said that its nothing special and i basically said that it is special. Because all primaris ever wear are mk10. And its also just a really cool helmet.

[wintry scarab]

Its a new helemt added to SM2 today. We have never seen that mark be on a primaris before. Thats why i think its really cool. Because its also my second fav marine helmet

[storm jungle]

Tbh we have, its just not widespread

thanks James Workshop 😔

[wintry scarab]

In books does not count

[storm jungle]

We had them on minis and art

[rocky gale]

Is it not this?

[wintry scarab]

Can you find the mini? I swear ive never seen it before

[wintry scarab]

MK7 im pretty sure

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the one

GW launched them with like a veteran pack

[crystal forum]

the thing i literally posted above

[storm jungle]

they dont advertise with primaris much since it would be technically false marketing

hence why its not that prominent

[wintry scarab]

Welp. People clearly dont share the same opinion as me, so just forget i said anything.

[queen laurel]

Just like a politician suddenly I'm wrong because it doesn't count for some reason

[wintry scarab]

also i just realized ive got my marks wrong. When i said 7 i meant 8 and when i said 8 i ment 7

[crystal forum]

mark 7 and 8 helmets look identical

[vagrant fox]

but 8 is not backwards compatible so they're different ☝️ 🤓

[crystal forum]

those little tube things aren't indication of mark 8

they're just artist's choice

[wintry scarab]

MK8 and MK7. Not identical in SM2

[crystal forum]

again mark 7 and 8 helmets are identical

the tubes are not an indication of being mark 8

[wintry scarab]

Right, lets just handshake and end this here.

[languid meadow]

Mk8 is just up armoured 7 no?

looks that way in the graph

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Though the shoulders are different

Sometimes

[crystal forum]

it's the chestplate that's the main difference

[arctic talon]

lol

[crystal forum]

you can tell with the gorget

[arctic talon]

Yeah there’s a gorget

[crystal forum]

but even that isn't consistent

in that older art above the gorget is massive

[vagrant fox]

MK8 lore vs art is weird

[vagrant fox]

It's decribed as needing a new helmet but it looks the same

[crystal forum]

this one is smaller

[vagrant fox]

and because it's a new helmet it wasn't backwards compatible but it still looks the same

Extremely ???

[crystal forum]

mark 8 is just a small amount of deathwatch glaze

it gives them no real benefit but they get to look different

unlike grey knights

[languid meadow]

waiter waiter more deathwatch glaze

[crystal forum]

they have all the drip they need

deathwatch are for when you want a space marine army but you want them to actually look like individuals

[storm jungle]

some kind of

Suicide Squad

[rose thorn]

Some kind of

Death watch?

[near wasp]

Are deathwatch still criminally bad on table

[storm jungle]

Probably.

[celest dome]

Deservibly

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-squad-harley-quinn-margot-robbie-bubble-gum-walking-gif-17510437

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-the-suicide-squad-on-it-coming-in-team-gif-21040503

Need the better version

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/abner-krill-abner-krill-mom-suicide-squad-mom-team-suicide-squad-polka-dot-gif-22616169

[storm jungle]

god such a good fucking movie

lmfao

[paper haven]

What is this?

[storm jungle]

The Suicide Squad

the better sequel Gunn made to the dogshit Snyder version

(its great)

[paper haven]

I know, I saw the first few minutes

[storm jungle]

And?

[paper haven]

And thought:
Hey, this is pretty good

But I didn't watch the rest

[storm jungle]

Bruh

criminal act

[crystal forum]

snyder made the first one?

[paper haven]

I got busy

[crystal forum]

holy shit he really does suck

[rocky gale]

Polka Dot man has got some childhood trauma, so he see's everyone as his mum.

[storm jungle]

Yeah, it basically got buried after release thankfully

[crystal forum]

i didn't know snyder made it

[storm jungle]

• his mom experimented on him painfully to the point that he got trauma yeah

its what got him his polkadot powers lmao

[paper haven]

I know basically nothing about him

[storm jungle]

thats norma

[rocky gale]

Yea and killing all of his siblings with said experiments

[storm jungle]

hes like a D-List villain

Gunn loves using unknown comic characters

[crystal forum]

he's like possessed by an extra dimensional being

anyways he dies

[paper haven]

Perfect to send on a suicide mission

[rocky gale]

Nuh uh

[paper haven]

Captain boomerang got a raw deal

[storm jungle]

I mean

[crystal forum]

this is slipknot

dies immediately

[storm jungle]

I hate how if you gave Slipknot to gunn

he'd probably make him one of the best characters ever

meanwhile Snyder

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-squad-suicide-squad-gi-fs-slipknot-grappling-hook-lets-fly-gif-5482137

climbs

dies

[crystal forum]

how did it go with the sword chick again

[storm jungle]

nothing

[paper haven]

Woooooo-
Pop

[crystal forum]

"this is sword. she has a sword"

[rocky gale]

Vanished

[storm jungle]

Katana just does japanese sword trichs

and just leaves

[crystal forum]

no the way will smith introduces her

[storm jungle]

Not Will Smith you idiot

its Rick Flagg lmao

[paper haven]

Didn't know you could just leave

[storm jungle]

THIS IS KATANA

SHE HAS MY BACK

HER SWORD HOUSES THE SOULS OF THE PEOPLE SHE KILLS

DONT CROSS HER

yada yada

[rocky gale]

We need a redemption arc for T.D.K

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[crystal forum]

that movie is quotable for how shit it is

[storm jungle]

I legit love how he uses his powers

and everyone was like

[paper haven]

But like
She's still just a normal person with a sword yeah?

[storm jungle]

"What the fuck"

[storm jungle]

Yeah, just token japanese character with a katana

[crystal forum]

the start of suicide squad 2 would traumatize me as a child

[storm jungle]

Good.

[crystal forum]

if i were to glimpse at it

[storm jungle]

i do legit respect how he just kills off the starter cast instantly

[crystal forum]

i still dont get why adult super hero movies have to have some trauma shit out of nowhere

[storm jungle]

Because they are all unhinged beings

[paper haven]

I like how guns actually just are the best way to go most of the time

[crystal forum]

the way they die though

[storm jungle]

why do you think they do the stuff they do lol

[dapper gyro]

Katana is supposed to be like Mortal Kombat Kenshin... But without any power.

[crystal forum]

one burned alive

[storm jungle]

Its great

[celest dome]

To distance from just being "kid" movies

[storm jungle]

I dont get how he does it

he makes me care

[celest dome]

Same thing happened with comics too

[storm jungle]

about Rick fucking Flagg

like, how

https://tenor.com/view/what-a-joke-peacemaker-what-a-joke-rick-flagg-death-rick-flagg-the-suicide-squad-gif-27281333

[paper haven]

Rick Flagg deserved better

[storm jungle]

Agreed

[crystal forum]

remember that shitty doctor strange movie

[storm jungle]

but his death thankfully still affected Peacemaker which i respect

[queen laurel]

This movie still has the best interpretation of nanotech ever

[storm jungle]

and it isnt just glossed over

[queen laurel]

Bloodsport goes hard

[paper haven]

Bro got washed by the Peacemaker

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodsport-the-suicide-squad-tss-sta-starro-gif-22672106

[crystal forum]

which decided to just spaghettify the guy from the office for no reason

[storm jungle]

I fucking LOVE the way they did it

like how the frame forms first

then the material follows after it

so fucking badass

[queen laurel]

It's practical and it's not an infinite super weapon from the comics

[paper haven]

Cgi gun shape

[rocky gale]

Holy fuck I was joking, but Gunn confirmed that T.D.K survived

[storm jungle]

LMAOOOO

[paper haven]

Like
How?

[storm jungle]

He better come back

[crystal forum]

"only with serious injuries"

[storm jungle]

I mean

[crystal forum]

dude his arms are literally gone

[rocky gale]

Don't worry my injuries were only serious

[storm jungle]

thats his power

shut up

[paper haven]

He got lit the hell up

[storm jungle]

we got people IRL that survive being impaled in the head with a pipe

[queen laurel]

He eats those

[storm jungle]

he will be fine

[crystal forum]

those arms are chunks of meat now

he cant use them

[storm jungle]

arent all arms chunks of meat technically

[celest dome]

DC characters have come back from worse

[paper haven]

Yes but now with less consistency

[celest dome]

But they're not mince meat usually

[shrewd depot]

Why did he not put spikes or like, armour around his arms

[storm jungle]

because its funny

and hes stupid

i thought that was clear tbh

[paper haven]

That one lady who jumped on the helicopter.

That was a terrible decision

[shrewd depot]

Yeh but like.... He's not even bullet proof lmao

What did he expect to happen

[storm jungle]

I mean

hes stupid

again

[rocky gale]

Although we probably won't see him in the movies again, since Nathan Fillion is now Guy Gardner

[storm jungle]

BASED.

My king

[queen laurel]

Do you really expect every story to just work with people thinking sense?

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/nathan-fillion-superman-middle-finger-finger-green-lantern-gif-17596216700593022139

[paper haven]

Is that green lantern?

[storm jungle]

yes it is

[queen laurel]

We won't have plots

[storm jungle]

Guy Gardner

aka a total cunt

https://tenor.com/view/superman-2025-movie-film-james-gunn-gif-7422589023283060075

[paper haven]

Yeah I can see that

[queen laurel]

Yet somehow a pretty good superhero

You have to respect the game

[paper haven]

You can be both

[storm jungle]

Well he got the Ring

[paper haven]

He's clearly worthy

[storm jungle]

yeah exactly