But the best fantasy animated show to me is from Wakfu, like it's just 1 episode
#40k-lore-chat
celest dome
queen laurel
also american football body gear works wonders as a basis for medieval armor change into football gear
celest dome
But it's great
winter vessel
But the best fantasy animated show to me is from Wakfu, like it's just 1 episode
damn, been years since i last watched that series.
plush mason
was the center in a big ass mechsuit looking thing?
queen laurel
celest dome
was the center in a big ass mechsuit looking thing?
plush mason
ah no the TT was very dystopian and violent
all the players where like convicts/clones or something
winter vessel
I remember the football series, Supa Strikas
plush mason
how does he see?
queen laurel
how does he see?
Through small slits
plush mason
ah so he basically doesnt it got it
queen laurel
ah so he basically doesnt it got it
he doesn't need to really because i'm pretty sure all he cares about is what it is in front of him and he sure is known to just punch it
plush mason
yeah
ngl i wonder how hard it was for her to change what the herald pets say
how do they even program those things anyway?
tough haven
With code
plush mason
i mean specifically the herald cherubs and servoskulls and their vox casters, how do they program what they say and what triggers the given phrase
celest dome
Small vinyls
tough haven
i mean specifically the herald cherubs and servoskulls and their vox casters, ho...
I think it’s the same way as anything else
Often it’s just timed
plush mason
Small vinyls
i love that idea
tough haven
i love that idea
It’s probably not far from the truth
That’s more or less what doctrina wafers are
plush mason
Often it’s just timed
so i was right to headcannon the bug that had them play their lines non stop as the timer being broken
plush mason
That’s more or less what doctrina wafers are
that was what i was wondering, if the lines are preloaded or on some kind of wafer thing
crystal forum
i'm trying to think of what would be the highest tier loot location for each faction
imperium: imperial palace
mechanicus: catacombs of mars
eldar: crone worlds
tau: t'au
although i'm not sure with tau
celest dome
T'au would either be an Earth Caste research facility or an Ethereal manor
crystal forum
what about the ethereal place on t'au
celest dome
Necron are I guess Tarzyn's museum
crystal forum
the planet
crystal forum
Necron are I guess Tarzyn's museum
oh right i forgor necron
what's the capital of necrons
celest dome
imperium: imperial palace
mechanicus: catacombs of mars
eldar: crone worlds
tau:...
Eldar -> Black Library
crystal forum
mmmmh black library is a strong contender
tough haven
what's the capital of necrons
There isn’t one
storm jungle
what's the capital of necrons
Average guard fan moment
crystal forum
isn't black library controlled by the harlequins?
storm jungle
arctic talon
isn't black library controlled by the harlequins?
Yeah but the craftworld eldar also defend it
storm jungle
isn't black library controlled by the harlequins?
They are protectors, its not really controlled by them
celest dome
Harlequins are Eldars 🤷
crystal forum
yeah im thinking of dividing the eldar choices
storm jungle
Harlequins are Eldars 🤷
they are Eldar* actually 
celest dome
Is Eldars not a plurar of Eldar
storm jungle
no
crystal forum
exodites: crone worlds
harlequin: black library
celest dome
God the english language suck
storm jungle
It does tbh
crystal forum
i think for votaan it would be any ancestor core location
arctic talon
exodites: crone worlds
harlequin: black library
Crone worlds are tied to the craftworlds
Exodites don’t give a shit about the crone worlds
Craftworlds need to go to croneworlds to get soulstones
crystal forum
Crone worlds are tied to the craftworlds
oh right exodites are the wood elves
sorry i literally learned what an exodite is yesteday
storm jungle
Exodites are literally just "It aint much but its honest work."
celest dome
The Votaan are their home worlds in the center of the galaxy
storm jungle
sorry i literally learned what an exodite is yesteday
Average guard fan moment 2x
crystal forum
The Votaan are their home worlds in the center of the galaxy
maybe their holds?
they probably have a ton of treasures in there
what's the super elite votaan again
storm jungle
Which ones
rocky gale
For Drukhari it's Vects secret vaults
storm jungle
also the sub-realms probably
arctic talon
New valrak leaks
crystal forum
Which ones
the big one with red armor
arctic talon
Thankfully someone else has been nailed to the cross already
storm jungle
the big one with red armor
Thats just a random Kin
arctic talon
So I’ll just post their summary
storm jungle
gimme gimme
rocky gale
Give
arctic talon
Warhammer 40,000 - Christmas Boxes
reiterates previous rumours; Tyranids (monster box), Chaos Space Marines (Obliterators, Venomcrawler, Havoc Squad, Rhino, Legionaries)
has also heard; T'au (Farsight-themed), Space Marines (potentially the rumoured box set consisting of ten Assault Marines, a Captain, a Chaplain and a new Ancient)
Warhammer 40,000 - Drukhari
has heard the Combat Patrol consists of; Haemonculus, a squad of Wracks, a Talos and a Cronos
11E refresh; Kabalites, Wyches, Court (?), Beastpack, Tantalus, Asdrubael Vect, Castigators, Kherdruah, Scourges, a new "giant coven monster" along with new wracks,
reiterates previous rumour about the multi-part Archon releasing in 10E
Warhammer 40,000 - Flavoured Combat Patrols
has heard more flavoured Combat Patrols are coming for other factions, in a similar vein to the recent Space Marines ones
Warhammer 40,000 - Pirates
has heard the tail end of 10E will be pirate-themed
reiterates previous Aeldari Corsairs (Prince Yriel, new Vyper, jump troops, Seer character) and Huron Blackheart
crystal forum
Thats just a random Kin
ymyr conglomerate
queen laurel
imperium: imperial palace
mechanicus: catacombs of mars
eldar: crone worlds
tau:...
Don't even think of the highest tier loot location place for orks because what's valuable to you is their valuable place
though it would probably be the Mek workshops
storm jungle
Warhammer 40,000 - Christmas Boxes
reiterates previous rumours; Tyranids (monste...
Yeah same as usual very likely legit
sounds kinda halfway boring
so that makes it more real lol
rocky gale
The Drukhari one is fake
arctic talon
thats the only thing that made my eyes go wide
crystal forum
Don't even think of the highest tier loot location place for orks because what's...
what would ork loot even be?
arctic talon
Fuck no plastic tantalus ig
crystal forum
if you're any other race
storm jungle
what would ork loot even be?
Yes.
rocky gale
Like confirmed fake, the guy who made it has outright said he made it as a joke like a year ago on Discord and didn't realise it was doing the rounds
arctic talon
Like confirmed fake, the guy who made it has outright said he made it as a joke ...
oh thats funny as shit
celest dome
Warhammer 40,000 - Pirates
has heard the tail end of 10E will be pirate-themed
reiterates previous Aeldari Corsairs (Prince Yriel, new Vyper, jump troops, Seer character) and Huron Blackheart
Wonder if it'll be at the same time of the AoS Coast Pirates
arctic talon
> Warhammer 40,000 - Pirates
> has heard the tail end of 10E will be pirate-them...
wouldn't line up
since AoS's rumored pirate stuff is for next edition
storm jungle
yeah was gonna say lol
arctic talon
which is a year off of 40k's next edition
winged jacinth
what would ork loot even be?
A big enough waagh has probably found some good stuff but anything they produce... yeah idk lol
Your tabletop party gains 10,000 teef
celest dome
When would AoS's next edition be ?
rocky gale
We still have like a year and a half for the current edition
arctic talon
2027
for next edition of AoS
bcs it released in july 2024
unless GW decides to cut it short intentionally
for one reason or another
crystal forum
imperium: golden palace
mechanicus: catacombs of mars
harlequins: black library
craftworld eldar: crone worlds
tau: t'au
votaan: rich individual holds
ork: N/A
queen laurel
what would ork loot even be?
Gubbinz, say like looted plasma generators stolen technology from other factions. Maybe an entire tank
arctic talon
oh also no one gives a shit but BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD BOWWWWWWWWWL
queen laurel
Usually a lot of diluted technology of other factions go to the mek shop
queen laurel
oh also no one gives a shit but **BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD BOWWWWWWWWWL**
Maggie is right there wolf
arctic talon
First time Bretonia has actually been a thing in blood bowl
does she play blood bowl?
genuine question
crystal forum
i have not seen her talk about it
queen laurel
does she play blood bowl?
apparently she's planning to start
crystal forum
isn't she thinking of starting like 6 armies 
celest dome
6 ? Have you missed like 3 months ?
rocky gale
Like all true Warhammer fans
arctic talon
average krieg player who is at their fucking limit
crystal forum
more krieg models?
arctic talon
Like all true Warhammer fans
I'll have you know I only have 3 armies
queen laurel
genuine question
if her LGS makes a player base she might pick it up @rose thorn also yes I am talking about you
crystal forum
in reaction to the subfaction thing
what's that
rocky gale
I'll have you know I only have 3 armies
Your restraint is legendary
arctic talon
GW is making more themeed combat patrols
which means guard is
probably getting a krieg one
crystal forum
oh just combat patrols smh
arctic talon
okay this is a really cool ball
arctic talon
I like these ball options
queen laurel
okay this is a really cool ball
Man these balls are not aerodynamic
who are designing these they need to be fired
rocky gale
I'll have you know I only have 3 armies
I have like 10 (technically 12)
rose thorn
First time Bretonia has actually been a thing in blood bowl
both of these were refreshes of old legends teams
crystal forum
its literally a severed head
regulation sized severed head
arctic talon
Is it actually?
I've literally never seen anyone play the Bret team
I know the Tomb Kings team existed
celest dome
Dwarf, Admech, VCount and Tau
arctic talon
actually the bret team was prolly total ass huh
I own 4 armies but I don't really do anything with my Blood angels nowadays
they're shelfwarmers
arctic talon
I actively like do stuff with Sylvaneth, Admech and CWE
crystal forum
you play admech? no way
celest dome
Sold my Dwarf and Admech to one of my ex, the VCount to a friend, and the Tau to a person I didn't really know
queen laurel
I want AoS bloodbowl
bro they would have to minus it one faction
rose thorn
i think they shoudl put aos stuff into blood bowl lmao
celest dome
Blood Bowl but it's another sport, pick Gaelic Football
rose thorn
"STORMCAST ETERNALSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS VS BRETSSSSS"
crystal forum
the blood bowl lore people will be so mad
queen laurel
FUCK IT age of sigmar basketball
crystal forum
age of dunkmar
crystal forum
yes i was joking
arctic talon
there's no actual lore beyond Nuffle and the star players
queen laurel
No one actually cares about the lore of blood bowl
Alright these guys are banned in the AOS blood ball
arctic talon
Praise be to nuffle
arctic talon
Alright these guys are banned in the AOS blood ball
I've seen enough, star player for your entire budget
can't pass for shit
celest dome
Alright these guys are banned in the AOS blood ball
Nah, Star player 😎
arctic talon
can't score for shit
rocky gale
I actively like do stuff with Sylvaneth, Admech and CWE
I've got Nids, Sororitas, Drukhari, Imp Guard, Blood Angels, Chaos, Chaos Knights, Cities of Sigmar (With some Stormcast and DoK models), Flesh eater courts, Nighthaunt and Soulblight.
rose thorn
kruleboyz team woudl be so fun
celest dome
can't score for shit
Under the umpredictible rule too
crystal forum
I've got Nids, Sororitas, Drukhari, Imp Guard, Blood Angels, Chaos, Chaos Knight...
no militarum?
rose thorn
shove a ball onto a bolt boy bow
arctic talon
I've got Nids, Sororitas, Drukhari, Imp Guard, Blood Angels, Chaos, Chaos Knight...
Big range
queen laurel
kruleboyz team woudl be so fun
instead of tackling you they just shank you in the Gut with a knife covered in shit and dirt
rocky gale
no militarum?
Imp Guard = Militarum
rose thorn
the pull out a fake ball
crystal forum
Imp Guard = Militarum
i thought you meant some fantasy chaos faction
arctic talon
hilarious how Skaven are one of the more "honest" teams
rose thorn
smh gw when aer they adding the bonesplittaz team, the most iconic part of old world
arctic talon
in bloodbowl
rose thorn
hilarious how Skaven are one of the more "honest" teams
the underworlds alliance is crazy
queen laurel
lmao
then how the **** the sigmar recruit players he just looks for people with genuine hatred and want to beat the chaos players to death
arctic talon
smh gw when aer they adding the bonesplittaz team, the most iconic part of old w...
all the ORc teams but black orcs suck 💀
also goblins ig
goblins are good
Black Orcs are good because you can actually run goblins with orcs
rose thorn
lmao
queen laurel
Black Orcs are good because you can actually run goblins with orcs
i love black orcs but what makes the original more balanced orc team bad
rocky gale
My Militarum are a mix of Cadians and Scions, plan on getting some Solar Auxilia models from HH to make it a triumvirate
crystal forum
odd
arctic talon
i love black orcs but what makes the original more balanced orc team bad
because the original more balanced orc team is all orcs
and orcs suck at catching and passing
queen laurel
because the original more balanced orc team is all orcs
What about their main strategy of killing people not reliable currently?
arctic talon
and absolutely clobber the shit out of other players
arctic talon
What about their main strategy of killing people not reliable currently?
Killing people is good, but other teams can also kill you
an entire strategy on beating the shit out of your opponent isn't viable
because you're also liable to get your skull caved in
queen laurel
Killing people is good, but other teams can also kill you
ok so black orcs are good because they can at least handle the ball while also being a straight up Wrecking Ball
queen laurel
because there's also goblins
the goblins are like thicker than usual right
arctic talon
and goblins are excellent at catching running and scoring
celest dome
Killing teams usually only work against running team imo
arctic talon
no they're just normal goblins
lol
yeah killing teams exclusively is only viable if the team has no like counter punch
celest dome
Like focusing on killing as Orcs vs WElves
arctic talon
which is why the high elf team is dogshit
queen laurel
yeah killing teams exclusively is only viable if the team has no like counter pu...
yeah i can see orc struggling with something that can match them like khorne
crystal forum
high elves being bad at sports
arctic talon
WElf team can at least try to fight back
arctic talon
high elves being bad at sports
They’re not bad at sports
They just don’t have any like
celest dome
HElves have bag killing, but great running, passing and another thing
arctic talon
Defense against getting punched in the face
arctic talon
HElves have bag killing, but great running, passing and another thing
This is true
celest dome
Dodging ?
celest dome
Playing Dwarfs vs HElves must suck
arctic talon
Elven Union being the best elf team because you cover for all the weaknesses 
You can just fucking kill people with DElf players
queen laurel
Playing Dwarfs vs HElves must suck
Hey if you have the ball it would take high elves a lot of effort to crack your skull open at least stubborn little gits
Genuinely trying to take the ball away from a dwarf is like trying to take away candy from a kid
You will succeed eventually but you will have to fight and tooth and nail for it
crystal forum
is there any necron place that can be considered to have higher than average loot
queen laurel
is there any necron place that can be considered to have higher than average loo...
Literally their tomb worlds
crystal forum
because im pretty sure every necron world will have top tier loot
queen laurel
that's literally it though
crystal forum
what about trazyn's place
queen laurel
Basically since necrons are so advanced their territory would be their greatest loot place
celest dome
is there any necron place that can be considered to have higher than average loo...
Tarzyn's museum
queen laurel
what about trazyn's place
are we counting personal character collection collections?
crystal forum
that's the thing, i'm assuming his collection is mostly trash
celest dome
He doesn't just have peoples iirc
crystal forum
just sentimental stuff
storm jungle
that's the thing, i'm assuming his collection is mostly trash
Not really.
where are you getting this
crystal forum
or stuff you cant even use as a non necron
storm jungle
He literally has everything
crystal forum
ah
storm jungle
Entire battallions of other races frozen in dioramas to priceless singular artifacts or doomsday weapons etc
he doesnt collect something unless it has actual value or historical presedence
crystal forum
would it have better loot than the average tomb world
celest dome
For sure
storm jungle
Considering the shit he has in there id say yes lol
queen laurel
would it have better loot than the average tomb world
of course he owns literal god like artifacts
for fucks sake he has a krork
celest dome
For the Orks, he has a full fledge Krork, for the Imperium, he has a clone of Fulgrim iirc
crystal forum
for fucks sake he has a krork
oh yeah i noticed that at the start of infinite and the divine
casually mentioned krork
queen laurel
yeah like he basically has the most valuable collection in the galaxy
crystal forum
alright so his museum is on the list then
i wonder what a krork would do if unleashed in the galaxy
queen laurel
i wonder what a krork would do if unleashed in the galaxy
literally just a repeat of the beast
storyline but way worse
celest dome
If there are 4 places I can freely pilfer through, it would be the Museum, the Black Library, the Noctis Labyrinth, and the Vaults under the Imperial Palace
storm jungle
its trapped inside a tesseract labyrinth so
crystal forum
And even if it did the security system would just eradicate it
i meant if the krork was outside the museum
queen laurel
alright so his museum is on the list then
OK going back by valuable like the most valuable to the species or most valuable to like the whole world of the Galaxy or the general sense of humans and stuff
storm jungle
i meant if the krork was outside the museum
Who knows. We dont really know how Krorks work aside from them having power-armor
crystal forum
OK going back by valuable like the most valuable to the species or most valuable...
places you'd go in a d&d campaign to get the end game loot
like dungeons
queen laurel
places you'd go in a d&d campaign to get the end game loot
then orks get the mekboy workshops
crystal forum
would any of it be useful to a non ork
celest dome
Not really
queen laurel
would any of it be useful to a non ork
i mean if the tau can reverse engineer ork tech
they might be able to find something useful in their
celest dome
For Chaos, would definitely be that crystal place of Tzeentch or maybe the Forge
crystal forum
chaos will have to be divided between the gods i think
celest dome
Unless we count Nurgle's garden with that Eldar goddess
crystal forum
i can't really count characters as loot
queen laurel
chaos will have to be divided between the gods i think
What type of equipment would you even find on nurgle
I'm pretty sure unless you have this blessing all of it are useless
because all of his equipment are rotten
Rusting and literally falling apart
God of decay and all that
crystal forum
What type of equipment would you even find on nurgle
I'm pretty sure unless y...
if you're a strong chaos enjoyer wouldn't you still be able to wield them
like a word bearer
celest dome
If you're not blessed by Nurgle it would be a bad idea
queen laurel
if you're a strong chaos enjoyer wouldn't you still be able to wield them
it would be a bad idea because nrugle gives you a resistance
every weapon corrupted by him literally is a disease spewing bio weapon
try grabbing a plague claw without his blessing you're gonna get turned into pile of flesh
rocky gale
Aren't we technically already piles of flesh?
storm jungle
try grabbing a plague claw without his blessing you're gonna get turned into pil...
The forbidden nosepicker finger
crystal forum
it would be hard to figure out the hypothetical highest tier loot location but i'm guessing if somebody finds an old one planet that would be it
rocky gale
More of a flesh arrangement
Look at flesh sculpture man over here, not like us piles
queen laurel
it would be hard to figure out the hypothetical highest tier loot location but i...
going chaos undivided would be your best bet because of the mixed blessing
so you could bring in non chaos into the equation
celest dome
Forge of chaos
queen laurel
And if we're going by that then it's definitely the forge of souls
crystal forum
we are flesh automaton animated by neurotransmitters
celest dome
Or if we go way back, some of those places with minor gods
queen laurel
Yeah it would be forge of souls
crystal forum
the forge is a good place yeah
i was looking for eldar loot places and stumbled upon webway lore
there's a place in the webway where time flows backwards
storm jungle
Theres places in the webway where it can literally make you younger.
crystal forum
but that lore seems to be just from one story where an inquisitor goes to it and learns about the star child or some shit
crystal forum
then he becomes illuminati
storm jungle
hes hunting for that Black Library lore
rocky gale
So the beach makes you old and the Webway makes you young
storm jungle
the Beach?
crystal forum
i dont want to bring up sensei lore but that shit is just irrelevant these days right
rocky gale
No, the beach which makes you old
crystal forum
isn't that a shamalan movie
storm jungle
LOL
celest dome
YES
rocky gale
storm jungle
i dont want to bring up sensei lore but that shit is just irrelevant these days ...
Theres nothing really wrong with it
its just never been used since it was made and isnt grimdark enough since its 90's stuff
crystal forum
it just seems like the kind of lore that people think is key to the entire setting because it involves emp
storm jungle
I kinda agree but I still like the concept behind it
the "supposed" or legit childs of the Emperor acting as adventure bands that sew anarchy across the Imperium is fucking hilarious
celest dome
its just never been used since it was made and isnt grimdark enough since its 90...
wasn't there some lore about an Inquisitor hunting them, in the hope that their death would power the Emperor back or something ?
storm jungle
wasn't there some lore about an Inquisitor hunting them, in the hope that their ...
Yeah thats one part
we'll see if they ever bring it back
GW loves nostalgia milking
celest dome
the "supposed" or legit childs of the Emperor acting as adventure bands that sew...
Damn the Emperor really never get a break with his children's
celest dome
Deserved
crystal forum
what i like is how sensei page on lexi is mostly "citation needed"
storm jungle
Its funny because like
they got literally 1 location of lore in a rulebook
and its 4-5 pages
(surprisingly a lot)
crystal forum
also at the end of the illuminati page is
crystal forum
rocky gale
GW Italy 6th edition Apocalypse Campaign - Attacco All'Imperium is my favourite 40k module
crystal forum
i was thinking of illuminati
storm jungle
i was thinking of illuminati
All of that is from the Jaq Draco books
i guess the guy writing it just didnt bother
rip
crystal forum
does starchild lore imply the emp is beyond human
rocky gale
Can you blame him, you'd have to read the Jaq Draco books to confirm
storm jungle
does starchild lore imply the emp is beyond human
I mean
crystal forum
i think him being created directly by the old ones is a better origin story than shamans
storm jungle
he literally is beyond human
guy's psyker power limit is "whatever the author wants to put in"
like this is fucking Baki or something
crystal forum
he literally is beyond human
i meant beyond the creation of humanity
storm jungle
i meant beyond the creation of humanity
We dont really know.
We got 2 backstories of him currently
crystal forum
ye we prob wont ever
rocky gale
The Beginning and the Birth coming 2031
storm jungle
^
crystal forum
isn't it weird that old ones created all those advanced races like krorks and eldar but put humans into cavemen era
storm jungle
isn't it weird that old ones created all those advanced races like krorks and el...
Because humans didnt matter
its not that weird
crystal forum
why did they create them then
storm jungle
do scientists care about all the lab mice they experiment on?
storm jungle
why did they create them then
Because they could? lol
we literally do the same sort of shit in experiments
"Why did you do that."
"I dunno."
languid meadow
The Beginning and the Birth coming 2031
crystal forum
idk i like the idea that humanity was meant to be lead by the starchild that old ones created
storm jungle
Alex Jones ahh
also I dont need another "humanity are the destined species" stuff
40k is already well into that 💀
rocky gale
Isn't it implied that like the creation process took a long time since they basically let them develop as societies to some extent before using them in the war, humans were just too slow to be useful.
arctic talon
also I dont need another "humanity are the destined species" stuff
destined for something indeed(birthing a fucking chaos god)
storm jungle
Isn't it implied that like the creation process took a long time since they basi...
We dont know.
The old ones creating humans lore in 40k is ancient
crystal forum
Isn't it implied that like the creation process took a long time since they basi...
but we know old ones directly transferred knowledge to eldar
like webway stuff
rocky gale
we were just frogs in ooze
Better times
celest dome
What if the Old one "created" many species, but only uplifted the ones that they thought had actual potential
crystal forum
potential to fight the necrons?
celest dome
ANd they looked once at humanity, and decided on not doing them
storm jungle
We know enough really
there isnt much to explore
they literally just had super-tech and did what they wanted, they achieved societal completion
crystal forum
were they as snobby as modern eldar
storm jungle
Look at super rich people we got today who got everything at their fingertips.
Then ask the question again lol
storm jungle
Not really same time, Eldar were dominant way before that
they co-existed afterwards
crystal forum
so slaanesh's birth coincides with the emegence of the emp since that event cleared the warp for travel
storm jungle
Yes.
crystal forum
so the eldar were hate fucking eachother while humanity was in age of strife
storm jungle
No it ends with it
crystal forum
yeah and that eldar decline took a long time
before the birth
i just find it funny that humanity destroyed itself and eldar just didn't care enough to help
storm jungle
i just find it funny that humanity destroyed itself and eldar just didn't care e...
They literally were about to birth a new chaos god
and half their population was bailing seeing the carnage
why the fuck would they care
celest dome
It's like asking why the Imperium barely care about the Tau
crystal forum
so the two races were destroying themselves around the same time
storm jungle
Also help humanity how. It was literally billions of conclaves.
Every human settlement was doing its own thing
crystal forum
It's like asking why the Imperium barely care about the Tau
im not asking, i know it makes perfect sense in the setting
but it's still funny to imagine lol
storm jungle
so the two races were destroying themselves around the same time
Pretty much. Its the classic case of how after a civilization reaches its "zenith" it kinda destroys itself from decadence.
zenith remnant
Also their farthest-seeing of Farseers hadn't seen the magnitude of the damage Humanity's impending fall was about to cause.
storm jungle
ala most older human civilization
crystal forum
Every human settlement was doing its own thing
was the eldar empire more cohesive?
storm jungle
Also their farthest-seeing of Farseers hadn't seen the magnitude of the damage H...
They did though?
storm jungle
was the eldar empire more cohesive?
We dont really know.
They literally formed/shaped stars at will lol
crystal forum
see that's what i mean
storm jungle
Like
they just did what they want
theres no "core" thing
Basically imagine a galaxy-spanning greek city state
with like magic supertech and shit
crystal forum
i know exodites had dominion ships which are like entire planet creators
zenith remnant
They did though?
Eldrad had no idea the Dark King would come about as a result
storm jungle
Eldrad had no idea the Dark King would come about as a result
Whos talking about the Dark King?
crystal forum
exodites, the space amish, having the tech to create planets
storm jungle
lol
storm jungle
exodites, the space amish, having the tech to create planets
They didnt create planets
older eldar groups seeded them with life
Exodites settled on them afterwards
crystal forum
is that not what dominion ships did
crystal forum
ah
storm jungle
Exodites are the first eldar fringe groups that VERY first saw what was happening and just abandoned their hedonistic ways.
aka going full amish.
crystal forum
yeah
storm jungle
its basically like your pals building a giant farmland
and leaving it because it was just a fun experiment
then you just move in and take it over
since no one was using it
zenith remnant
The Eldar sat back and did nothing. Their failure to anticipate the Dark King was the main reason.
Only the Harlequins knew, and frankly, they basically just didn't bother to tell anyone because they're Harlequins
storm jungle
The Eldar sat back and did nothing. Their failure to anticipate the Dark King wa...
Thats a reach.
lol
zenith remnant
It's literally in The End and the Death
storm jungle
We literally got zero implication that they knew the Dark King was gonna form
that book just pops it out of nowhere
and they just go "oh yeah i guess thats happening"
crystal forum
there's also lore i found of a sword created to kill slaanesh while it was still young
storm jungle
Yeah thats from Farseer
ironically its one of the reasons that book got retconned
then uhhh
the ynnari were invented
irony
crystal forum
ah
storm jungle
Yeah lol
arctic talon
The Eldar sat back and did nothing. Their failure to anticipate the Dark King wa...
The clown god wills it, also they couldn’t have even intervened at that point due to the time bubble terra was in
storm jungle
^
crystal forum
i like the rogue trader in that book. just some drunk gambling his ship away
storm jungle
This feels like a really bad reach to blame Eldar for stuff
storm jungle
which is normal I know but lol
storm jungle
i like the rogue trader in that book. just some drunk gambling his ship away
Its a REALLY fun book
one of my favs ironically
zenith remnant
I wasn't blaming, just explaining
storm jungle
"Yeah uh I sold the dreamstone for some cash."
arctic talon
It’s canon in my heart
storm jungle
"YOU WHAT."
storm jungle
It’s canon in my heart
No reason for it to be not anymore yeah
arctic talon
Most responsible rogue trader
arctic talon
There’s plenty
storm jungle
It has you
zenith remnant
I read the Path of the Eldar omnibus and it was pretty good
arctic talon
Of incompetents in books
storm jungle
the reader
arctic talon
I read the Path of the Eldar omnibus and it was pretty good
Gav “the world builder” thrope
storm jungle
I read the Path of the Eldar omnibus and it was pretty good
Thats one way to look at it I guess 
nice worldbuilding, awful in everything else
arctic talon
Thats one way to look at it I guess <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
It has good world building
Smh
arctic talon
storm jungle
but anyway yeah pre-imperium timeline lore is likee
a fucking mess really
necron backstory stuff especially
💀
arctic talon
The clusterfuck that is the war in heaven lore
crystal forum
i find it interesting that we dont know what the eldar homeworld is
arctic talon
Ty for somehow making it more of a clusterfuck gav
rocky gale
I bet the Drukhari still have technology that could create new planets they just don't use it because why would they care
zenith remnant
The spirit stones coming from Crone Worlds raises the question as to whether or not they've ever accidentally smuggled a tricky daemon back home in one
arctic talon
The spirit stones coming from Crone Worlds raises the question as to whether or ...
As far as we know daemons can’t go into them
storm jungle
^
storm jungle
It'd also likely be noticed and cleansed by seers.
arctic talon
Malevolent daemons are
crystal forum
theres some lore for it
i wonder if eldar care about it still
storm jungle
i wonder if eldar care about it still
Not really no.
Every Craftworld is its own entity
some do, some dont, some dont even care
arctic talon
Considering yvraines stone turned to dust
rocky gale
"And this is where we keep the machine which can create new planets"
"The what?"
"I know pretty useless right, dunno why we keep this thing"
arctic talon
When she started skinning people alive for fun
crystal forum
it's really just humanity that really care about their homeworld huh
arctic talon
And that’s like light work for daemons
arctic talon
it's really just humanity that *really* care about their homeworld huh
Tau
storm jungle
The homeworlds of the Necron also exist, but they dont give a shit
arctic talon
The kroot also care about their homeworld
storm jungle
not when they can just blow up suns
zenith remnant
Home is where the souls of your dead ancestors run the thermostat
rocky gale
The homeworlds of the Necron also exist, but they dont give a shit
Yea like I can understand not caring about your homeworld when living there gave them mega-cancer
zenith remnant
And I think the Necrons probably actively despise their homeworld for giving them super space cancer forever, yeah
storm jungle
Yea like I can understand not caring about your homeworld when living there gave...
Literally.
crystal forum
what do you guys think of sci fi settings where earth is either destroyed or rendered irrelevant like star wars
storm jungle
Nothing really
Earth is the place that birthed us but once we propel to the stars it should mean nothing.
zenith remnant
Earth never existed in Star Wars
storm jungle
you got new lives and homes ahead of you
crystal forum
Earth never existed in Star Wars
that's what i mean
storm jungle
its why if we ever colonize other planets in the solar system we'll very likely get secessionist movements that already want independence
home is where the people go to
rocky gale
But like humans didn't come from Earth in Star Wars
arctic talon
its why if we ever colonize other planets in the solar system we'll very likely ...
Lancer moment
storm jungle
YEET
storm jungle
Yep lol
arctic talon
But Lancer is the only one where I can think of where humans actually went fucking extinct on earth
lol
zenith remnant
In any event. I think it's logical that people not born here wouldn't care for it as much. Maybe as a curiosity or a cultural note
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
Yeah
crystal forum
its why if we ever colonize other planets in the solar system we'll very likely ...
i like that yeah. i think sci fi settings do it to make the setting more disassociated with modern era
storm jungle
Yeah that
crystal forum
like dune
queen laurel
We are an adaptable species
That's why humans are always the Jack of all trades in every single fictional setting because they are just stubborn little kids that can live just about everywhere if they are pushed hard enough
crystal forum
That's why humans are always the Jack of all trades in every single fictional se...
i thought of it more as there being much more diversity in natural human real life than any writer could ever dream to create for a fictional race
rocky gale
and ironically in Star Wars the leading theory on the human homeworld is Coruscant
zenith remnant
Hell, I don't even care that much for where I was born. But I'm a jaded, diagnosed autistic and borderline misanthropist, so take my perspective on the importance of culture and things like that with a grain of salt.
And when I say grain, I mean the kind of grain you strap to a mule to get it out of the mine
storm jungle
Same.
I like my country but national borders and ethnicities dont mean anything to me
if you are a cool person and arent an asshole then thats all ı care about lol
thats kinda it really
https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-coen-brothers-joel-coen-ethan-coen-jeff-bridges-gif-14873468
basically me
zenith remnant
I'm in a weird spot where I want to love my country, but the other people in it make me reconsider daily
crystal forum
if i was born on mars i probably wouldn't give a shit about earth
storm jungle
if i was born on mars i probably wouldn't give a shit about earth
also like if we ever set up a large colony city(s) on mars IRL the Martian humans will 100% rebel, very likely due to shit like corporate abuse or other reasons ontop of it lol
rocky gale
Like it kind of implied that humans in Star Wars descend from a race from Corsuscant (at the time called a different name) that were taken from the world by another Empire at the time and propagated throughout the galaxy, eventually humans rediscovered and establishing a colony on Corusctant, with it eventually becoming the capital of the Empire/Republic
queen laurel
if you are a cool person and arent an asshole then thats all ı care about lol
i cannot understand why people find rating system such a baffling concept genuinely
Don't be a cunt and you're a good person holy shit i like you as a person now
crystal forum
i do love how in 40k terra is clearly a blood sucking parasite on the imperium
storm jungle
Yeah and the books say as much
its one of my fav lines in Vaults of Terra
something along the lines of how Terra takes everything and returns nothing
trillions/gazillions of ships make through its orbit to feed it
queen laurel
something along the lines of how Terra takes everything and returns nothing
Well it does return something in that the paraplegic grandpa works as a very good tower light in traversing hell
storm jungle
Well it does return something in that the paraplegic grandpa works as a very goo...
yeet
zenith remnant
If the Emperor was entombed on another world, Terra would be an abandoned relic
crystal forum
arguably the only thing it produces is the astronomicon and that still doesn't justify the absurd amount of wealth it has to import
rose thorn
Damn I really like the brets team
queen laurel
arguably the only thing it produces is the astronomicon and that still doesn't j...
Which has made it probably in the worst position a planet can be it's the most useless yet the most integral planet in the entirety of the imperium
it's like your game having a picture of A T Rex on its files that literally does nothing but if you remove it it literally collapses
crystal forum
im not much of a fan of how GW made humanity forced to keep terra due to the golden throne as if the setting wouldn't be dark enough if terra wasn't needed at all
storm jungle
I mean give it time
people say if the throne is gone the setting is over when thats never gonna be the case
this setting is built on excuses written in to keep the limbo narrative going lol
queen laurel
@arctic talon this is what I mean when i said the black orc goblins are a bit tougher than usual
Is this still completely useless or what
zenith remnant
I don't trust GW to not pull an End Times on us again in obe way or anothee
crystal forum
i still think the idea of the imperium propping up terra purely because of dogmatic faith reasons is darker than the requirement of a golden throne
storm jungle
End Times isnt gonna happen
rose thorn
Also unlike old world they ahve women without issues lmao
storm jungle
it will be some shit like uhhh
Emperor rises up i nthe Warp as a god, becomes the astronomican or whatever
Terra implodes
people still keep going or some shit idfk
crystal forum
that would be pretty funny
storm jungle
the entire reason this setting exists is to give people reasons to keep playing with their armies
GW will write ANY excuse to make sure that is still possible
the lore is always secondary
rose thorn
“YOU CANT BE A KNIGHT YOUR A W-W-W- WOMEN”
storm jungle
or even third place lol
crystal forum
i think GW will explode mcragge before terra
storm jungle
Likely lol
zenith remnant
The whole Dark King thing interests me. After all, it's said his Realm and servants both already exist in the Warp
crystal forum
which will be very enjoyable
storm jungle
The whole Dark King thing interests me. After all, it's said his Realm and serva...
Prob for when he finally becomes a god or some shit
it will happen
arctic talon
End times will only be done if 40k is literally killing the company
Like WHFB was
lol
storm jungle
so it will prob be the same here
arctic talon
But endtimes was done because WHFB was actively killing GW
storm jungle
Prolly more
Thats what people said before Gathering Storm 💀
zenith remnant
But the Dark King won't neccessarily be the Emperor. It almost was. But before that the entire Warp was sure it would be Horus
storm jungle
also yeah, blowing up Fantasy was the correct decision
arctic talon
Thats what people said before Gathering Storm 💀
Yeah and I was one of them
As much as it pains me to say whfb dying literally saved GW lol
crystal forum
they did cadia to introduce the reboot of the franchise and cadia itself only really affects one tabletop faction
storm jungle
Yeah and I was one of them
Yeah and you were WRONG.
rose thorn
End times will only be done if 40k is literally killing the company
I wish
arctic talon
GW had to either kill it or let it bleed out
So they just picked killing it with a bang
lol
Now granted
AoS 1e was total ass
Till 1.5e
But it did do way better financially then Whfb
zenith remnant
I do suppose the alternative was just going along with a continual story progression until Fantasy organically turned into 40k
storm jungle
Its second place still now isnt it
arctic talon
Its second place still now isnt it
Third place in overall tabletop wargame sales, 2nd place in GW’s portfolio
celest dome
AoS wasn't even planned when the 1st death plans for battle fantasy existed
arctic talon
Anyways WHFB was super unprofitable due to how the games army building was setup
And also like
The whole cost of entry thing
Because people complain about 40k being expensive
But it didn’t have shit on WHFB’s price tag to start playing lol
crystal forum
speaking of which, prices went up again
zenith remnant
I still can't and don't and probably won't ever touch the actual tabletop. I can barely afford the vidya even when I'm being picky.
arctic talon
Reasonable
But yeah WHFB’s minimum playable points count was 1.5k points
Because the game quite literally did not function
Below that points count
zenith remnant
Speaking of, I'm still amazed Space Marine 2 ran on my older comp
Not great, but it ran playably well. The devs need to be investigated by the Ordo Hereticus because that is some witchcraft optimization
arctic talon
Speaking of, I'm still amazed Space Marine 2 ran on my older comp
Not great, bu...
The game is super well optimized tbh
It’s insane
zenith remnant
I need to do that. I've been slow getting into the newer lore. Primaris marines really rubbed me wrong at first, but GW seem to have found hiw to write them
zenith remnant
For context, my first 40k anything was the Eisenhorn Omnibus
arctic talon
Tbh I think it’s funny how many people got into 40k post primaris
And then complain about primaris
It’s like really funny
To me
arctic talon
For context, my first 40k anything was the Eisenhorn Omnibus
Good old eisenhorn
crystal forum
and the thing i never really thought about is that kin are short but super strong
and these guys have augmented muscles
zenith remnant
I want more Cherubael stuff. I feel like we need a short story from his perspective.
He's the funniest daemon prince since Voldorius
arctic talon
Funny creature
zenith remnant
He even kills people funny
crystal forum
also wolf i looked up the funny volkanite
arctic talon
What about it
crystal forum
it is in fact that same as volkite in principle
crystal forum
volkanite is just how votaan call it
zenith remnant
Semi believable language drift
crystal forum
but the version votaan use is much older than the one mechanicus has
arctic talon
Yeah that tracks
Tbh
Volkite still being produced and used by the mechanicus is the funniest shit ever
Since no one else wants to use it since maintenance is a pain and it’s sensitive
arctic talon
Tired of being nice? Just beat your opponent to death
arctic talon
also apparently ironkin have faces?
Sorta? Not normal faces
But there is something under the bubble lol
crystal forum
the visors we see on tabletop are just to hide what's under
arctic talon
It’s not an actual face
As described in high khals
It’s a mess of sensor arrays and stuff
But it is a face
zenith remnant
Meanwhile the Mechanicus treat it like
"You mean I get to fondle a complicated archeotech mechanism for extended periods of time while I commune with my God? What forms do I sign?"
arctic talon
Tbf the issue with volkite with marines
Is they use it as a bludgeon
This makes the volkite weapon sad
And usually breaks it
crystal forum
bolters being dark age tech is one of those mini retcons which im ok with
zenith remnant
Hence why the Mechanicus swapped them to Boltguns
Surely. This was due to easier economies of scale.
crystal forum
like who cares if the emp didn't literally create the bolter or whatever
it would be stupider if he did
and it can easily be explained away as propaganda
zenith remnant
The modern imeperium at large probably believes he did. Which is fitting. Because it is stupid.
celest dome
The Bolter being created by the Emperor didn't make sense anyway
arctic talon
Tbf the great crusade imperium did as well
Ignore the fact it makes no sense
Because techno barbarians had bolters
And so did the mechanicum
And the leagues of votaan
celest dome
The Interex did too iirc
arctic talon
And necromunda
The interex had a gyro jet weapon but it’s not called a bolter
For reasons
storm jungle
like who cares if the emp didn't literally create the bolter or whatever
Must.
Argue.
Lore.
arctic talon
celest dome
Some explain it by it being created much earlier than the Age of Strife or what ever, but it doesn't really make sense
crystal forum
i think it's definitely dark age tech if votaan use it
and it's not like bolters are particularly high tech by 40k era
it was probably like the caveman's wooden club of the dark age
arctic talon
That’s the lasgun’s function
Though the lasgun is way more advanced lmao
Then the bolter
crystal forum
a time when disintegrators weren't that rare
arctic talon
I do personally wish the LoV didn’t use bolters
As their primary gun
Because that’s overlap with the imperium
But w/e
crystal forum
i think it's fine
arctic talon
I don’t personally
But it’s whatever
I wish GW came up with something different
Flechette guns? Idk
celest dome
Maglev guns would have been good
crystal forum
railguns
arctic talon
Basic guns all being railguns would be neat
But meh
Too late now
I do find the existence of the LoV’s super las guns funny
crystal forum
or coilgun
mass driver is still my favorite term for a weapon
since it's just a literal description
arctic talon
Idk I just think it’s boring there’s another faction that just uses fuckin bolters as their basic weapon
arctic talon
since it's just a literal description
It drives mass forward
crystal forum
indeed
celest dome
I quite like guns that just teleport things into other things
opaque coyote
like who cares if the emp didn't literally create the bolter or whatever
I just like to think that he invented a new pattern
Like the Imperium bolters look different compared to the Votann
Maybe the Emperor Brand Bolters (tm) are easier to produce or something
I mean at the time he made them, Earth literally had the ocean fucking evaporate somehow
crystal forum
that's what water does
opaque coyote
Yeah
But like
The entire fucking ocean
Bro either the ozone layer on Terra got erased
Or colonization age humanity used up the entire water supply
crystal forum
i think votaan having bolters is more to give them similarities with humanity
it has to be intentional
opaque coyote
i think votaan having bolters is more to give them similarities with humanity
Yeah. I just assume that the Emperor made like
The equivalent of a new pattern
Instead of reinventing the bolter or some shit
crystal forum
why would he
opaque coyote
Could be a version that uses less resources or something idk
crystal forum
he was in the middle of starting the imperium
where would he have the time for that
opaque coyote
Where would he have the time to create the custodes
crystal forum
he did that before the unification wars no?
arctic talon
Wait
The fucking terrawatt clans
Lmao
They invented the bolter the imperium uses largely
That’s why the emperor subsumed them
opaque coyote
If you have the time to turn a toddler into a fucking super soldier. You can make a bolter pattern
crystal forum
and most of custodes gear
arctic talon
They got culturally genocided and integrated into the imperial household
arctic talon
Well
crystal forum
They got culturally genocided and integrated into the imperial household
i dont think we fully know that
opaque coyote
Meant to slander them
...
Yeah the Emperor would be petty enough to do that
crystal forum
techno barbarian is a term only an 80's writer could come up with
but they were very advanced
opaque coyote
Here is a funny story.
In the Berlin Olympics, the Nazis hosted them primarily to show Aryan superiority.
They all got beaten by a black man.
crystal forum
earth was a very advanced planet during the dark age
opaque coyote
They coped by saying that "of course an animal would beat a human"
arctic talon
lol
The Selenar gene cults
Also literally helped with making marines
So yeah “barbarians”
opaque coyote
Which is huffing so much copium that it's probably more than the meth and other various "medicines" Hitler took
arctic talon
They had better super soldiers then the imperium lol
opaque coyote
This reminds me of the whole techno barbarian thing
arctic talon
And then they got integrated into the imperial household
crystal forum
all of the techno barbarian powers left on earth were like war clans
arctic talon
They tried to rebel and got their teeth kicked in
opaque coyote
All I can say is
crystal forum
arguably mars was in a better state than earth ended up being
opaque coyote
I can fully believe that the Emperor would lie about creating the Bolter pattern
It's fucking funny that he didn't even create that
Bro only created the Golden Simps
opaque coyote
The Manchildren
crystal forum
emperor had a lot of help for custodies
opaque coyote
And the Manchildren but with his seed inside of them
arctic talon
The custodes didn’t have the gene cults working on them
arctic talon
But he still had the astaetes program nerds
crystal forum
Mars had its own civil war
do we even know what the other faction wanted
arctic talon
do we even know what the other faction wanted
They wanted to reunify mars under their rule
crystal forum
like i know mars was ok for a while after the collapse
crystal forum
but things started going badly due to lack of maintenance
because like nobody on mars were scientists or whatever
opaque coyote
because like nobody on mars were scientists or whatever
They were pretty much all IT workers
crystal forum
just technicians yeah
opaque coyote
And honestly the Mechanicus religion makes much more sense once you know the origins
Of course they wouldn't know how the shit works. They only know how to maintain it
crystal forum
probably the over reliance on STC's had that effect where all the smart people were spread around humanity
and died during the age of strife
or hell maybe during the late era of peak humanity nobody was really advancing science since there was no need
opaque coyote
probably the over reliance on STC's had that effect where all the smart people w...
I mean tbf that applies to nowish.
No single person knows how to fully build a nuclear reactor
Polymaths simply don't exist anymore due to how complicated everything is
So imagine that process... and then make it bullshit future tech
crystal forum
that makes sense to me
opaque coyote
The mechanicus had to reinvent the scientific method
Tbf I think the process was invented sometime in the 1800s?
Before then, our process consisted of
"Will it kill me if I eat this?"
"Well I didn't die immediately so that must mean it works"
crystal forum
enginseers are like PC enthusiasts who can name every model of component and build PC's from scratch but don't understand what CPU architecture is
crystal forum
you're also studying to be an engineer
arctic talon
I don’t know how to make a CPU though
crystal forum
my point is they know a lot of facts but little true knowledge
opaque coyote
Also doesn't help that like
Most of the Imperium's technology would be far more complex than even
Current day
I'm sure that part of the reason why the AI rebellion was so devastating wasn't due to like
The actual war
But more so that
"Our fucking storage of all the blueprints got deleted because our STC maker got pissed off"
celest dome
All our automated shit just turned off
crystal forum
i think the hatred for AI is mostly unjustified by humanity at this point
opaque coyote
It's like if robots deleted all of the internet
crystal forum
we know of a lot of good AI in the setting
opaque coyote
And then decided to burn every Library they could find
arctic talon
i think the hatred for AI is mostly unjustified by humanity at this point
It is but the imperium is batshit insane
crystal forum
It is but the imperium is batshit insane
i first thought they were in the right
opaque coyote
It is but the imperium is batshit insane
It is true that we should not rely on the ai
arctic talon
That is true but the whole all AI deserves only death thing is obv wrong
opaque coyote
But also we shouldn't become crazy religious fanatics and use lobotomized people as a replacement
crystal forum
but honestly it just makes no sense. nobody in the imperium lived during the dark age so how could they know about men of iron? they just hate sentient life that isn't human
opaque coyote
Like many things.
Many extremist ideas start off with a genuine grievance
crystal forum
like xenos
opaque coyote
It's just that their way of solving it
...
Isn't the best way to say the least
"Our reliance of AI has left us crippled, we must gain back our own knowledge and destiny."
arctic talon
but honestly it just makes no sense. nobody in the imperium lived during the dar...
The mechanicus knows
And they spread it
opaque coyote
"you're right! That also means that we should destroy low level drones that literally cannot develop to become sentient!"
"...Mark what the fU-"
languid meadow
crystal forum
The mechanicus knows
they probably just want AI to blame instead of humanity
it's easy to blame somebody else for the age of strife
arctic talon
The the men of iron rebellion did kill a ton of people
ironically the mechanicus did not purge psykers on mars like many worlds
crystal forum
i bet humanity caused them to rebel
by being shitty to them
ironkin are happy doing what they're doing since they're treated like fellow kin
crystal forum
imagine being a steeljack though 
arctic talon
We don’t know why the men of iron rebeled
opaque coyote
by being shitty to them
It could be that
Or it could be that some AI are like
"wait we're better than these fleshy meat bags. Why are we even giving them 0.01 picoseconds of our attention? We should kill them all instead!"
arctic talon
And GW is unlikely to ever answer
opaque coyote
It's probably a mixture of many things
opaque coyote
With each AI having their own reasons
arctic talon
Because we know a lot of AI sided with humanity
crystal forum
It could be that
Or it could be that some AI are like
"wait we're better than...
why dont ironkin do that then
opaque coyote
Some out of genuine grievances.
Others wanted to create a 30th Reich
celest dome
Are Steeljack like Ironkin of more like the Cog ones
arctic talon
why dont ironkin do that then
The ancestor core
arctic talon
Are Steeljack like Ironkin of more like the Cog ones
They’re ironkin
Just an ironkin who really likes killing
crystal forum
steeljacks have the same cerebral unit as other ironkin
but personality wise they're more combat oriented
and they're loved by kin
opaque coyote
Because we know a lot of AI sided with humanity
I can imagine it quickly became a war that's just overly complicated
opaque coyote
And because humanity is kinda... bad at recognizing complicated reasons and nuance as a collective
We just sorta simplified it
"Some of our AI rebelled against us. That means ALL AI are bad!"
crystal forum
mars was green before the civil war right
opaque coyote
I definitely think at least a couple of AI were bad apples
crystal forum
it was terraformed
arctic talon
It was green before the age of strife yeah
opaque coyote
That just wanted to kill a lot of humans