40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

And the rifle

It reminds me of the Gauss rifle lol

[paper haven]

We shoot first in this house

[arctic talon]

💀

[opaque coyote]

That's literally what they said. Along with improper threat assessment

💀

Mader was also ex-military btw

That's probably why he tried de-escalation first

[summer mural]

So are those ironkin wearing armor on top and a helmet like a marine or is that basically their body

[winter vessel]

hah, this one looks like "dad?"

[opaque coyote]

I love American police

[opaque coyote]

"Father is that you?"

[paper haven]

That tracks. He's had guns pointed at him before so he could think beyond GUN!

[opaque coyote]

"Are you going to pay the Votann the child support dad?"

[summer mural]

Kastelans are remnants aren't they

From the dark age

[opaque coyote]

Probably explains why they look similar tbh

[paper haven]

Are those what Voltann look like?

[arctic talon]

Kastellans are DAOT battle automata yeah

[paper haven]

I thought they were mechanicus things

[summer mural]

Maybe the votann had a hand there

[arctic talon]

The steeljacks are LoV

[summer mural]

Yeah they are admech units, kastelans that is

[arctic talon]

The kastellans are mechanicus

[paper haven]

They look remarkably similar

[arctic talon]

That’s the point

[winter vessel]

still can't get over the tzeentch looking automata minis

[arctic talon]

They look so bad

In bone white

[summer mural]

Those are titans too

[paper haven]

I really hope there's a lore reason for that and not just lazy design

[arctic talon]

It is

[opaque coyote]

...why did they choose bone white

For like

[arctic talon]

They’re both likely spawned from the same DAOT program

[opaque coyote]

MOST OF THE BODY

[arctic talon]

or some sort of tech

[opaque coyote]

Yeah see

That looks so much better

Easier on the eyes

[summer mural]

It's a part of tzeentchs plan, duh

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-futurama-neat-wow-gif-5744318

[opaque coyote]

Can actually recognize the details

[arctic talon]

Ur calls a kastellan a simple minded cousin

Of itself

[summer mural]

Kastellans are pretty cool too

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[paper haven]

Aren't kastellans ai?

[summer mural]

They look plain, but they got good tech

[opaque coyote]

So

The Kastellans and the Ironkin are definitely cousins of the OG Men of Iron

[paper haven]

Like, actual AI?

[opaque coyote]

Nah

[summer mural]

No afaik

[opaque coyote]

Basically droids

[paper haven]

Beep boop

[opaque coyote]

Basically just

"Shoot guy"

...

Actually I have a fucked up idea

[summer mural]

They are just robots, the preist or skitarii have to use like a data chip floppy drive thing and slot it into the kastelann and it follows those sets of commands

[opaque coyote]

What if the Kastellans are like

Lobotomized Men of Iron

[paper haven]

Still, autonomous killing machines not run by a human brain is a big step for imperial tech

[opaque coyote]

Like their AI was originally complicated

But the Mechanicus intentionally like

Damaged it so that it's simple

[winter vessel]

agreed

[arctic talon]

Technically yes but no

They’re sentient

Arguably sapient

But they’re restricted

[paper haven]

Laati predicted it

[arctic talon]

They’re like a smart as a dolphin

If that makes senses

Not human like(yet)

But getting there

[summer mural]

Also the disk slotting is not a one time thing, you have to order them fairly frequently to do stuff like follow you or hold position, they can walk off a cliff if you let them

[arctic talon]

There are also actually fully sentient and sapient rogue kastellans

Called Itenerent kastellans

That are actual DAOT remnants

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-what-gif-21202579

[summer mural]

It's exactly that

Like Exactly

[paper haven]

I sort of figured

[opaque coyote]

..

So the Kastellans are lobotomized ai

Got it

[arctic talon]

No

[opaque coyote]

Dang

[arctic talon]

Because they’re designed that way

With the wafers and such

If you insert all wafers into a kastellan you uh

unbind it

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, it would be in Mechanicus creed to intentionally damage a complicated AI to make it simple

[arctic talon]

Then you better hope you’ve got a friend

[summer mural]

They got cool tech though, like their shields are pretty high tech

[paper haven]

Insert floppy disk for 1 percent of mental capacity

[arctic talon]

Yeah the shields are cool

They’re also what some tech priests use instead of refractor fields

All battle automata have atomantic shielding

[paper haven]

Insert separate floppy disk for completely different actions

[summer mural]

Also they can punch hard

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

Now I'm imagining an unbinded Kastellan and a Tech Priest hanging out.

[arctic talon]

Rather then refractor fields

[arctic talon]

This happens in kill protocol lol

Speaking of which

[paper haven]

Sounds... Unwise

[summer mural]

Kill protocol is pretty good

[arctic talon]

Look, if you’ve made good friends with it it probably won’t kill you maybe

[paper haven]

That guardsman got a raw deal

[opaque coyote]

Like the Tech Priest unbinded it to free the machine spirit.

The Kastellan is like "Yeah... I'm... totally a machine spirit. Not at all an AI by definition..."

[winter vessel]

https://youtu.be/ZY2XoQCxGxg?si=7pjt_bqjKbCmB8GA found it

[summer mural]

If you've seen kill protocol how'd you forget about how kastellans work

Well

I forget most things, so nvm actually

[paper haven]

Look, I don't trust Warhammer plus to be consistent with canon

[summer mural]

Fair fair

[arctic talon]

It’s consistent

With how kastellans work

[paper haven]

Cadis stands

[summer mural]

That guardsmen did get fucked though

HE WAS CARRYING HIS SQUADS DOG TAGS TOO

[paper haven]

proceeds to die in single frame combat

[summer mural]

[arctic talon]

Yeah he got fucked lol

But she’s a legio Cybernetica priest

And therefore very attached to her pet

Aka robot

[paper haven]

Like, I don't even think that was necessary.

[arctic talon]

It wasn’t

lol

[summer mural]

She should have ripped off her own arm or something

[arctic talon]

But her pet dog robot was injured

[arctic talon]

Servo isn’t compatible

Is likely why

[paper haven]

She was just like: It will give us a slightly higher chance of success so.

[winter vessel]

Guardsman: "so good to see someone that isn't an ork" Tech priest: I want you... Guardsman: "..."

[arctic talon]

Legio Cybernetica priests literally kill space marine dreadnoughts

Sometimes

[paper haven]

Mixed signals.

[arctic talon]

Because dreadnoughts have compatible servos

[summer mural]

What happens to the guardsman with the tech priest in angels of death is the most fucked up thing ive seen on Warhammer plus

[arctic talon]

lol

[winter vessel]

oh yeah that prequel short

[summer mural]

Yeah

[summer mural]

Patience of iron it's called iirc

[calm frost]

How about that space marine 2 roadmap

[paper haven]

I still gotta watch the prequel

[summer mural]

Not good

[lament shoal]

Was this event centered around a small town/small city police department?

[calm frost]

What in the alpharius is this

[paper haven]

Angels of death was actually pretty good

[summer mural]

I didn't like it tbh

[paper haven]

You know, relative to the rest of Warhammer plus

[summer mural]

I thought the story and plot in writing was acceptable , but the execution was so meh

[winter vessel]

its at the very least for me, "tolerable"

[paper haven]

I'm not a blood angels fan. Like, yeah you're mad your dad died. Get over it.

[lament shoal]

Don't worry bout it...

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568118870913581080/893109104472637450/screen-capture_online-video-cutter.com.mp4?ex=68b19a2b&is=68b048ab&hm=0cf25bf8691cb8ca109aacb9abdb838e0aad7354b230e87b4f5f6cb2e15e6401&

watching this shit legit makes me dizzy

jesus christ

[opaque coyote]

YUP

[storm jungle]

the awkward mocap for everyone including the marines is also just terrible

[opaque coyote]

Again search up Stephen Mader for actual details

[paper haven]

It's very clearly some poor mocap and mostly still backgrounds

[opaque coyote]

Average 2010's Hollywood action film camera work

[summer mural]

Interrogator, 6 out 16 episodes in hammer and bolter and black talon were the peak of wh plus for me , like by a huge margin

[winter vessel]

whoever was holding the camera must've had parkinson's disease

[paper haven]

So the action scenes have a lot of shaky cam to cover the fact that they're moving very awkwardly

[opaque coyote]

And to make it seem realistic

...

But I didn't come to 40k for fucking realism

[lament shoal]

Yeah, not surprising. Major city police departments typically have WAY better training and incidents such as this are almost unheard of with them, because of funding. Smaller city police stations have these issues a lot more because of lack of said funding

[opaque coyote]

cough LAPD cough

[winter vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-shaking-the-camera-that-would-be-great-shake-unstable-shaking-gif-3554054

[summer mural]

The only good thing I liked about angels of death is that the enemies were genestealers and the primus fucked up a bunch of terminator honor guard

[lament shoal]

Yeah LAPD used to be really fucking bad lol, but its a lot better nowadays

[paper haven]

Lore accurate Primus

[opaque coyote]

That gif actually makes me feel slightly dizzy

[opaque coyote]

It still is that bad. Police gangs still exist

Especially recently

But it's a different type of bad compared to small town police forces

[winter vessel]

the only character i liked in Angels of death was the Plot B protagonist, Hadrael

[opaque coyote]

Don't worry, they KNOW that they are violating your rights

[opaque coyote]

They just don't care

[paper haven]

GSC are all like: We will no longer be slaves to this mindless system that doesn't care about us

And then become slaves to a thinking system that sees them as food

[arctic talon]

Bro was farming aura

[storm jungle]

Sounds familiar

also to be fair the Imperium also sees them as food

[storm jungle]

just in different ways lol

[summer mural]

And the shipmistress, she was cool, and she didn't have to deal with action cam and bolter fangirling, her scenes were nice, and also hadrael is the greatest techmarine of all time

[opaque coyote]

God he really thought he looked cool when he did that as a mugshot

[storm jungle]

perhaps

[arctic talon]

Baseball cap guardsmen

[storm jungle]

its mostly due to her voice actress Anna Gregory

she also voices Minthara in BG3

absolute legend

[opaque coyote]

Also some cults just don't care about the oppressive system. They just wanna join the four armed emperor

Which they do

[summer mural]

God*

[paper haven]

Trump being a genestealer would explain a frightening amount of his actions

[opaque coyote]

I find it interesting that some gsc actually fully follow through

While others are like

"Ah shit"

[opaque coyote]

If he was a genestealer, he would be more competent at ruining the USA

[arctic talon]

You have the energy of a third son

[paper haven]

Wait, I didn't think you were being literal!
GSC cultist, on the edge of the pit

[storm jungle]

The Wokeperium.....

[arctic talon]

Minthara is the kindest least evil drow I’ve seen in a hot minute

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I always kinda wish there was an instance of a GSC Cultist realizing the truth and actually escaping

[arctic talon]

lol

[summer mural]

Also angels of death was a huge missed opportunity to have a kelermorph show up at high noon and have a showdown with a space marine

[opaque coyote]

And then just

Rethinking his entire life

Although I know lore wouldn't allow that

[arctic talon]

Would people have liked minthara more if she was more evil lol

[opaque coyote]

Cause it's literally in their like

Soul and genetics

To follow the Tyranids

[arctic talon]

Tbf

[lament shoal]

https://youtu.be/5NvxDcdgDHI?si=mHs_P_0VgwAoxAps

[arctic talon]

If they’re kissed

[opaque coyote]

But I always wonder what would happen if one actually got released from the grasp and escaped

[arctic talon]

They’re not like

Completely like that

[lament shoal]

I LOVE GENESTEALER CULTS RAAAAAAAAH

[opaque coyote]

Would they just continue to set up cults

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

Or would they just try to live normally

[arctic talon]

Depends

[summer mural]

You can break out of it probably, just find the nearest plot armored character good at convincing people probably

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I just wonder how this fringe case would ever work out

Like some cults know the actual fate and still go through with it

Others are like "This is NOT WHAT WERE PROMISED"

[paper haven]

It would be cool to see, but as I understand it the hive mind waits until the very last moment to cut the connection so by the time they are even able to think for themselves, the situation is pretty bleak

[arctic talon]

It depends

[opaque coyote]

And I always wonder what would happen if the "NOT WHAT WE WERE PROMISED" group somehow escaped

[arctic talon]

Sometimes it doesn’t even cut it

lol

It varies

[summer mural]

Can't wait for them to reveal Omegon as the first genestealer primarch ngl

[opaque coyote]

Aware. It's just something that I wonder.

[paper haven]

Honestly it seems like a cruel twist to cut it at all like, bro

[arctic talon]

It doesn’t care

[lament shoal]

I beg tzeentch loves genestealer cults now that I think about it

[arctic talon]

The hivemind

[paper haven]

Does the hive mind have a sense of humor?

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, I take it as evidence for the Hive Mind being fully sapient.

Because that is literally just sadism

[arctic talon]

Prolly not

Actually it might

lol

[summer mural]

Hmm

[arctic talon]

We dunno

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it could be the equivalent to a cat playing with it's food

[lament shoal]

The hivemind does have the ability to react emotionally instead of just purely on instinct

[opaque coyote]

Or it could be fully aware and genuinely laughing at their suffering

[summer mural]

Is the hive mind or tyranids into revenge

[paper haven]

That little tidbit makes me think the hive mind is aware and does take some satisfaction in screwing with people

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think the latter is scary to me

Like it's fully alien, but the one part that we can understand

Is that it loves to see us suffer

[paper haven]

The desolation of Baal seems to suggest it is

[arctic talon]

The swarmlord and hive tyrants are all fully sentient and sapient

Funnily enough

It’s the same mind

[summer mural]

So , vengeance

Over feeding

[arctic talon]

So swarmy remembers

[summer mural]

Is possible

[arctic talon]

Every fucking time

It’s lost

[paper haven]

And it holds a grudge

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's 200% anger lmao

[summer mural]

Yeah but does it care apart from overcoming that defeat

Does it go like " Fucking URIEL VENTRIS IM GONNA FIND THAT UGLY SMURF"

[arctic talon]

The swarm lord?

Yes

It’s fucking pissed

In octarius

[paper haven]

God I hope so

[opaque coyote]

Hive Mind, we don't know

The swarm lord, 100%

[arctic talon]

After it gets crushed by the Overlord of octarius’s gargant

[paper haven]

Since Uriel actually killed a hive queen

[arctic talon]

Tbf those die in void combat

All the time

[paper haven]

And it tried to kill him but failed

[arctic talon]

But yeah the swarm lord is

Sentient and sapient

[paper haven]

Yeah but he did it in person

[arctic talon]

As are all hive tyrants

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I get that the appeal of something being fully alien and completely non understandable

But I also like the idea of an Eldritch entity just being

Absolutely petty and pissed

It's like that one scene in Minus 1

[summer mural]

So, GW.

[opaque coyote]

Where Godzilla fucking chases after Koichi inside a tiny boat

[paper haven]

That was so great

[opaque coyote]

I kinda imagine that but the Hive Mind and some poor human

[lament shoal]

"I'M GONNA FUCKING KILL THAT PIECE OF SHIT BLUEBERRY TIGURIUS!"

[paper haven]

Just went right after him

[opaque coyote]

Honestly Minus One Godzilla originally was chill.

The novelization said that it specifically didn't attack Koichi cause he didn't shoot.

[summer mural]

Oh yeah, if someone pisses off the hive mind, it's definitely gotta be tigurius lmao

[opaque coyote]

But after being nuked, it thought that the nearby country was the problem

But if there's a sequel

...

[paper haven]

There was a human soldier in that book that did pretty well but died off screen ( probably?) because Honsou is the pettiest Warsmith to ever exist

[opaque coyote]

Godzilla is 100% gonna hate Koichi

Like

Just

It's gonna be a fucking full on grudge bro

He got murdered by him.

[summer mural]

Godzilla isn't like the hive mind , or is it..

[opaque coyote]

Godzilla canonically has two brains

In all of it's iterations

[summer mural]

That doesn't change anything from what I said

[opaque coyote]

Also Godzilla Ultima is some type of

Eldritch 13th dimensional entity

[summer mural]

Cocaine bear?

[opaque coyote]

And it's implied that Ultima is merely a shadow of the giant entity

So

In that specific case, yeah

Similar to the Hive mind

[paper haven]

Godzilla minus 1 started out like a damn horror movie it was great

[summer mural]

I wonder if the hive mind is ultimately revealed to be some kind of warp entity

[opaque coyote]

Probably not

[arctic talon]

GW won’t elaborate

[paper haven]

Cop out

[opaque coyote]

I hope not

That would be lame

[arctic talon]

The hivemind is meant to be nebulous

And weird

[opaque coyote]

I don't mind giving more of a personality to the Hive mind

But please god never let it be a full warp entity

That would be so fucking lame

[paper haven]

The potential that every other galaxy has already been devoured is some serious nightmare fuel

[summer mural]

It's gonna be omegon 🙏

He's the hive minds Trump card

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I imagine that Omegon just fucked off

Like he has no greater plan

[paper haven]

Alpha Legion all along

[opaque coyote]

He just looked around, saw his brother get his head chopped off

And was like

"Yeah fuck this shit"

[summer mural]

I think he got kidnapped by the hive mind

[lament shoal]

I thought he was publicly pretending to be Alpharius until Dorn killed him?

[paper haven]

He definitely did after

[arctic talon]

No that was alpharius who died

[opaque coyote]

There's a 95% chance that the actual Alpharius is dead.

And Omegon continued

[arctic talon]

It’s 100%

We literally get

Omegons pov

[lament shoal]

Gotcha

[arctic talon]

Alpharius died on Pluto

[opaque coyote]

Something something "everything is a lie".

Hurrrr

[arctic talon]

And omegon fucked off

[paper haven]

The author confirmed. Alpharius is dead as hell

[arctic talon]

Wrong book

[lament shoal]

Alpha legion lore is confusing as hell lol

[arctic talon]

Smh

[summer mural]

And jaghatai khan got haemonculi experimented on for centuries to the point he's now a horrible deldar serving entity

[opaque coyote]

But yeah 100% with a -5% penalty by default because the alpha Legion sucks at telling things straight

[paper haven]

But you know how death works in 40k.

[summer mural]

It's ferrus's head or nothing?

[opaque coyote]

I honestly want to ask a question

[paper haven]

I'm sure there'll be some grand plan by the Alpha Legion that results in bringing him back to life or whatever

[opaque coyote]

This one is a doozy

[paper haven]

I'm not ready

[opaque coyote]

If y'all could rewrite Horus's turn to Chaos

How would you handle it?

[paper haven]

Making it because of Erebus is dumb and makes Horus look weak.

Horus needs to be an active participant in his own downfall for it to mean anything

[celest dome]

Have him realise that the Emperor did a deal with the Chaos God, then seek to do a similar deal to get out of what the Emperor did

[opaque coyote]

Agreed

The poop knife was only meant to be like

The first drop, but there's not enough time and actions in between "Chaos" and not chaos, that it just seems like the poop knife did all the work

[lament shoal]

Poop knife lmfao

[opaque coyote]

That is an interesting plan yeah.

[humble shoal]

Poop knife

[opaque coyote]

Maybe make it so that he genuinely wants to be somebody equal to his father.

At first

Because he wants to actually help fully within his plans

[summer mural]

I'd make it so that at the exact moment the emperor would ceremonially and publically declare horus warmaster and horus was beaming with pride, the emperor would wink at sanguinius in the back, and that would be it

[humble shoal]

Nah horus was literally tripping on jankum the whole heresy

He was high on the fumes

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I don't really like that part honestly

Like I get that Chaos is some strong shit but that just kinda

Leaves out the ability to make his fall something more than

[humble shoal]

I mean there are drugs now that cause schizophrebia

[opaque coyote]

"Get stabbed by knife, tripping balls, fight dad, die horribly"

[humble shoal]

Could be some combo of warp and xenos tech

[humble shoal]

Horus heresy is an ad for malort

[summer mural]

How did the emperor react when he learnt horus was a traitor

[paper haven]

All of the elements are there.
The Emperor lying about chaos, the fact that he used chaos to make the primarchs, the fact that he abandoned Horus to pursue his own agenda, the distinct possibility that the Emperor was gonna fucking kill them all once he had the galaxy secured.

[summer mural]

Did he zap the nearest custodian

[opaque coyote]

We don't know

[summer mural]

Sad

[humble shoal]

He was pissed at magnus mostly

Cuz webway broke

[paper haven]

Horus looking at the Thunder warriors like: "But you won't do that to us right?"

[opaque coyote]

Although in that same scene, there might be a hint towards how he feels about Horus.

When the trouble began, it began swiftly.

The golden portal shone with its own inner light, as though some incredible heat from the other side was burning through the metal. Vast gunboxes fixed around the perimeter of the cave swung up, their barrels spooling up to fire. Lightning flashed from machine to machine as delicate, irreplaceable circuits overloaded and exploded. Adepts ran from the site of the breach, knowing little of what lay beyond, yet knowing enough to flee.

Crackling bolts of energy poured from the molten gates, flensing those too close to the marrow. Intricate symbols carved into the rock of the cavern exploded with shrieking detonations. Every source of illumination in the chamber blew out in a shower of sparks, and centuries of the most incredible work imaginable was undone in an instant.

No sooner had the first alarm sounded than the Emperor’s Custodes were at arms, but nothing in their training could have prepared them for what came next.

A form pressed its way through the portal: massive, red and aflame with the burning force of its journey. It emerged into the chamber, wreathed in eldritch fire that bled away to reveal a robed being composed of many-angled light and the substance of stars. Its radiance was blinding and none could look upon its many eyes without feeling the insignificance of their own mortality.

None had ever seen such a dreadful apparition, the true heart of a being so mighty that it could only beat while encased in super-engineered flesh.

The Emperor alone recognised this rapturous angel, and his heart broke to see it.

“Magnus,” he said.

“Father,” replied Magnus.

Their minds met, and in that moment of frozen connection the galaxy changed forever.

- A Thousand Sons

[paper haven]

Big E: "... Of course not."

[humble shoal]

Magnus look at this cool chair I found

[summer mural]

Lol

[opaque coyote]

He basically realized it was the beginning of the end

[storm jungle]

almost like

some kind of

The End

and....

The Death

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

[paper haven]

He said the thiiiiing

[summer mural]

Does the emperor even know the alpha legion were traitors

[storm jungle]

yea

[opaque coyote]

I like my Emperor more human because I can imagine his face when he saw Magnus.

I imagine it not as angry but more so just

A sad realization

[storm jungle]

like

literally everyone does

lol

[summer mural]

Well

Do they

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[paper haven]

My money is on he told Alpharius to do it

[storm jungle]

the Alpha Legion never helped the loyalists in any capacity during HH minus like attacking the Khan

[humble shoal]

The khan goes fast

[opaque coyote]

Like his eyes wide open as he realized that everything is going to shit.

Kinda similar to realizing that you forgot to turn in an important project that's worth 50% of your grade

But around

[humble shoal]

Most based response to the heresy

[opaque coyote]

100x worse

[paper haven]

" Prank 'em Alpharius."
"You already know."

[summer mural]

The khans running a marathon through the entire web way mapping it out by hand with a quill and a scroll

[opaque coyote]

Like the realization that all you CAN do is just try and mitigate the unavoidable fuck up

[crystal forum]

is it really under any debate whether alpha legion are traitors or not

[summer mural]

No

I just like them being funny

[opaque coyote]

There's definitely a couple that are delulu but most of them are teaitors

Teaitors...

[humble shoal]

Alpha legion are the most comedic space marines

[opaque coyote]

"Ah yes Horus, a spot of tea perhaps?"

[paper haven]

Alpha Legion are my favorite loyalist chapter

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

Nah

the Khan goes Indecisive™

[humble shoal]

Because their shit is so ridiculous

[humble shoal]

Choosing requires thinking which slows you down.

[paper haven]

No thought only speed

[opaque coyote]

To be fair.

I would do the exact same thing as Khan. Avoid all of my responsibilities and charge after a distraction that would inevitably cause me pain in the future.

[summer mural]

Are the alpha legion good enough to hide forever on catachan and not get killed there

[opaque coyote]

Nobody is good enough to hide in Catachan

Nobody

[summer mural]

I love catachan

[crystal forum]

with enough speed you too can outrun your child support

[paper haven]

My understanding is that they're really good at not being recognized as Space Marines but their actual combat prowess is average

[summer mural]

The khan just went to party in comorragh

[storm jungle]

This is correct.

[opaque coyote]

They also use human operatives frequently

[paper haven]

He told everyone it was for revenge.

[storm jungle]

the Mike Brooks alpha legion book does a great job showing it

[summer mural]

OH SHIT I JUST REALIZED COMMORRAGH IS A REFERENCE TO GOMORRAH

[crystal forum]

of all lost primarchs i think the khan is the most likely to be dead by current events

[storm jungle]

🏅

this is yours

[paper haven]

One of the reasons why I like them so much

[summer mural]

[paper haven]

Then why does it still exist?

[summer mural]

Nah I think it's ferrus

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it is also an aspect I like from them as well.

Although it's unclear if the 40k alpha Legion still uses them

[crystal forum]

hey i said lost not dead

[opaque coyote]

I like to think it does since it would be a nice change of pace to have a Chaos legion...

[paper haven]

They definitely do.

[opaque coyote]

Not treat their human operatives completely like garbage

Yk?

[paper haven]

The short story We are one does a great job of showing how modern alpha legion operate.

[crystal forum]

if khan comes back alive do you think he'll have a bunch of cool leather gear and piercings

[opaque coyote]

Like, at least in 30k, they go out of their way to extract human operators if they get into deep shit

[summer mural]

When will gw retcon lucifer blacks into never existing or being entirely repurposed

[paper haven]

And their human operatives view the space Marines as half-brothers

[opaque coyote]

It's honestly a nice change of pace, and different from like

[summer mural]

I think he'll have a bike wrapped in human or drukhari skin yeah

[opaque coyote]

The Salamanders or the Lamenters

Since they still don't care about civvies

They just care about their own

It just so happens that their own includes baselines

[paper haven]

The idea that original traitor legionaries would look at modern space Marines and be disgusted amuses me endlessly

[opaque coyote]

Tbf that is the case for most CSMs

I remember a scene where a CSM saw a Primaris marine and just mentioned

[storm jungle]

this is the case for loyalists as well tbh

[opaque coyote]

"Ah yes, another thunder warriors situation"

[summer mural]

Imagine if they just fight first born and tell them " see , you're getting replaced"

[opaque coyote]

Iron Hands moment

[storm jungle]

Everyone.

[opaque coyote]

Although I doubt Ferrus would be surprised

Just disappointed

"YOU DID THE EXACT THING I TOLD YOU GUYS NOT TO DO."

"IT'S NOT A PHASE DAD!"

[summer mural]

Ferrus seemed like a reliable sort

[opaque coyote]

I would say Vulkan wouldn't be disappointed.

He wouldn't be happy either. Just kinda neutral

Guilliman was mostly okay. Minus the whole Codex Astartes booklicking

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

It wouldn't be pride just

[paper haven]

In Talon of Horus when Abaddon finds out the Emperor is being worshipped as a god the Emperor's Children guy begins laughing uncontrollably and declares that the Word Bearers won.

[opaque coyote]

"Oh, you didn't ruin everything. That's nice."

[paper haven]

That made me laugh

[opaque coyote]

Well the lost since they switched to the losing team

Smh

[paper haven]

Classic Word Bearers, even when they're in the right they still lose

[summer mural]

Kurze failing miserably at torturing and tormenting Vulkan and getting the snot beaten out of him by Vulkan is such a satisfying primarch moment

[paper haven]

"It's also a hammer."

[summer mural]

Because it's like

Vulkan

[paper haven]

Well he did turn that Eldar child into charcoal

[sacred bluff]

which one

[paper haven]

In the same book, I think? Wait no couldn't have been

[opaque coyote]

By accident tbf

Also felt really bad about it

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-gif-5935759059195122434

[paper haven]

Definitely wasn't on accident

[opaque coyote]

Probably the only Primarch who did actually feel bad about torching a xeno

[paper haven]

He did regret it but he 1000 percent meant to kill that child

[opaque coyote]

I do like the Alpha Legion aesthetic

The issue is that it looks like torture to paint

Especially the scales

God

[paper haven]

Alpha Legion armor looks sick as hell

[summer mural]

Oh guilliman is going to feel pretty bad when he accidentally kills yvraine for that grimdark ending, trust.

[paper haven]

The best part is when he gets hailed as a hero for it

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

[paper haven]

And he's like, guys no

[opaque coyote]

Staring contest

Fuck I blinked

[summer mural]

Ban

[paper haven]

Gottem

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1354577144440688736/1356243022899052634/LEGION_LEADER.gif?width=1000&height=563

[paper haven]

Slapping the opponent to make them blink, while not specifically against the rules, is still considered a dick move.

[summer mural]

I feel like tau and votann should mostly get along

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Kin mostly get along with anyone as long as theres profit to be made

they literally gave ion-weapon tech to the Tau

which is a weapon type they use A LOT

[summer mural]

Oh yeah

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/guarbie-gif-21257355

[summer mural]

I forgot about that

[paper haven]

But they still hate elves, right?

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats me @ you, shut up

[storm jungle]

Not really.

why would they lol

[opaque coyote]

Nuh un

[storm jungle]

[summer mural]

I confused it with duardin in my mind

[paper haven]

Because dwarves always hate Elves

[opaque coyote]

Ow

[paper haven]

It's tradition!

[opaque coyote]

Genetic

[summer mural]

Dwarves are always giving tech to people smh

[opaque coyote]

I always find it funny that in Fantasy, the elves and dwarves were specifically besties until like

[summer mural]

WHEN WILL THEY TAKE THEIR RIGHTFUL PLACE AS THE LEADERS OF THE GALAXY

[paper haven]

That why we gotta have the elf and dwarf become friends

[opaque coyote]

One incident singlehandedly caused bitter hatred that lasts for a long time even for them

[paper haven]

And go on adventures

[storm jungle]

Once

THEY FIX

THIS DAMN DOOR CORE

[summer mural]

The door to Moria?

[opaque coyote]

They're furnishing it first.

Give them time

[storm jungle]

[summer mural]

The one where Mellon means friend?

[paper haven]

My favorite is when it happened so long ago that nobody really remembers why that hate each other but they do it anyways

[opaque coyote]

Also I have unfortunate news.

The Power scaling brain rot somehow reached politics.

[summer mural]

The fantasy is kinda sensible tbh, two powerful empires fought each other to near oblivion

That's good enough for me

[storm jungle]

would never happen IRL

[summer mural]

It's a good thing

[paper haven]

And then he died under mysterious circumstances

[summer mural]

Irl isn't relevant here

[storm jungle]

it is

[summer mural]

Only revolver with phosphor grenades are

[paper haven]

Play Vostroyan roulette with it

[summer mural]

...

Please tell me that's not a thing

[opaque coyote]

Kennedy was killed by Oswald?

No

The CIA?

No

The KGB?

No.

Clearly he died of a opium overdose 0.01 milliseconds before the bullet hit him

[storm jungle]

Dont you mean Valhallan Roulette

[paper haven]

Actually I think Vostroyan are meant to be Cossacks, which are Ukrainian.
So, Valhallan?

[opaque coyote]

Valhalla roulette

My favorite

[summer mural]

Is it the same as Russian roulette

[paper haven]

I want to like the Valhallans, but I don't

[paper haven]

Tragic

[summer mural]

Or is there a 40k twist to it where if you lose your grandchildren and children have to pay extra tax or something

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

...

That's just the medical bill

[paper haven]

Both actually, each bullet costs more than your entire family could make in four generations

[storm jungle]

Tbh the entire reason they exist is because someone at GW watched Enemy at the Gates and decided to make an entire regiment out of it

[summer mural]

[storm jungle]

Valhallans are like

literally just the soviet army in space

they got no quirks

or anything lol

[opaque coyote]

I swear that is 90% of the origin for a lot of SM chapters and Guardsman regiments

[storm jungle]

Kinda but not really

they flesh them out usually

its why Vostroyans are great

[paper haven]

That wasn't even an accurate representation of that battle

[storm jungle]

YEP

Yet somehow

they made an entire officer/commissar character of that "no step back" meme with Chenkov

where he sometimes kills more of his own men tha nthe enemy

lol

[paper haven]

Screaming Uraaaa and running head first into machine gun fire didn't become doctrine until 2020

[opaque coyote]

Minotaurs when they have a fucking maze in their ship

[storm jungle]

no

[storm jungle]

Oof

[summer mural]

Lmao

[paper haven]

Ok but why don't Minataurs build their ships with labyrinths in them?

[near wasp]

They fucking better

[paper haven]

They definitely should be doing that

[summer mural]

So yvraine can get a ball of thread and map it

[near wasp]

If the space sharks can have a megalodon they minotaurs should have a maze

[arctic talon]

Their main ship is labyrinth like

I’m not joking

Also they do have a “Minotaur” prowling the halls of their Capitol ship

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[paper haven]

Oh well, nevermind then

[arctic talon]

It’s a contemptor dread lol

[summer mural]

[arctic talon]

Anyways moloch rage baited the lamenters

By calling them traitors

[summer mural]

That's so funny

[paper haven]

Carry on Minotaurs, I have no further notes

[summer mural]

I can't

[arctic talon]

And that saying sanguinius would be ashamed of what he died for if he saw the lamenters

[summer mural]

[opaque coyote]

Gotta fucking commit to the bit

[arctic talon]

Anyways the rage bait worked

And he baited the lamenters to launch a boarding assault

[paper haven]

Because the Lamenters must suffer

[opaque coyote]

Again, if the Minotaurs was like

A single person.

It would be a 12 year old CoD kid screeching slurs through your mic.

[arctic talon]

And ran the Minotaurs jumped them

As they tend to do

Because the Minotaurs are assholes

[near wasp]

I join a siege in sm2 with a lamenter safe to say I didn't make it out of that mission

[paper haven]

Remember how their chapter master basically loses every fight he's in

[opaque coyote]

Minotaurs would be the type to become a friend

...

Just so that they can steal something from you

Actually the Minotaurs are the proper kleptomaniacs

They will steal your shit

[arctic talon]

Moloch is funny

He has aura

But is shit at fighting

What does that bum even do

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/as-you-should-worthikids-bigtop-burger-bigtop-burger-gif-26818418

[arctic talon]

Smh

[summer mural]

The minotaurs have a maze on their capital ship with a minotaur patrolling it who's a contemptor dreadnought

[opaque coyote]

They call him 007

0 wins
0 fighting prowess
7 million minutes of Aura farming

[paper haven]

Minotaurs are the 40k equivalent of Spartans.

100 percent aura 0 percent combat prowess

[arctic talon]

At least the Spartans were brave

I think

I dunno Greek history

[paper haven]

Ehhh

[opaque coyote]

HEY

At least the Spartans treated their women the best. (Well, relatively anyways, it's a low bar since it's ancient Greece)

[paper haven]

Ehhhhhhhhh

[arctic talon]

The Minotaurs literally turn and run whenever a battle goes to shit

lol

[paper haven]

I guess both are true but the bar is in hell

[summer mural]

Can we move on from the minotaurs I'm about to have a stroke from all the laughter

[opaque coyote]

Like Spartan women could legally own and inherit property

To put that in perspective, 1950's America didn't allow that

[paper haven]

Like, Spartans did tend to fight to the death, it was actually a serious problem and resulted in unnecessarily high casualties

[paper haven]

And Spartan women could vote

[arctic talon]

This dude is cool

[summer mural]

Who is that

They look unemployed

[arctic talon]

They’re the generic navigator replacement you get

Instead of cassia

[paper haven]

So long as they were in the position to do so, which I believe was by owning land I'm not as familiar with their specific brand

[opaque coyote]

They also had state education and some elite women were highly literate

[arctic talon]

You know, if for some reason you get rid of cassia

lol

[opaque coyote]

Like, I find it funny that Sparta is generically scene as like

[summer mural]

They look cool for a navigator

[opaque coyote]

The ultimate masculine culture

When

A) they suck

[paper haven]

So. Definitely points in their favor

[arctic talon]

Greatest mortal servant of tzeentch in our time

[opaque coyote]

B) They actually treated their women somewhat equally

Like

[languid meadow]

every "ultimate masculine culture" fucking sucks

[opaque coyote]

People forget B a lot and it makes me sad

It technically isn't even the ultimate masculine culture

[paper haven]

But this was still ancient greece

[opaque coyote]

Yeah true

[summer mural]

Nah , scientology is great

[arctic talon]

Xenu

[paper haven]

And they definitely viewed women as ruled by emotion and therefore having a lower state of consciousness

[opaque coyote]

Also Sparta has the earliest document that expressed homoerotic sentiments between women

[paper haven]

I actually didn't know that one. Neat.

[opaque coyote]

-by limb-loosening desire.
She looks at me more meltingly
Than sleep or death;
She is sweet in no way ineffectually.
But Astymelosia does not answer me at all,
When she has the crown,
Just like a brilliant star falling through the sky
Or a golden bough or soft feather...
She advanced with striding feet...
The moist allure of Cinyras
Sits upon her maidenly hair...
Ah! If she should come closer and take
My tender hand, I would become hers

[summer mural]

The codex astartes

[opaque coyote]

This is a part from Alcman's Partheneia

[paper haven]

Guilliman actually just wanted to write lesbian fanfiction

But was forced to write a treatise on military strategy

[opaque coyote]

Born to write lemon

Forced to plan strategy

[summer mural]

This is what malum Caedos reading everytime he pulls out that tome

[paper haven]

Everybody loses

[opaque coyote]

Also most of the sources about Spartan women are from outside PoVs.

[near wasp]

Bro gulliman writing smut would be the most dry smut ever

[opaque coyote]

So maybe they ignored some

Things that might have been too extreme

[lament shoal]

Sesbian lex

[opaque coyote]

So much purple prose to the point where you can't even understand what it's actually trying to say

[paper haven]

Theoretical: are female orgasms real?

Practical: I've never seen one

[summer mural]

" The tax collector came calling today.."

[lament shoal]

Really? If that's actually how strong they are that's fucking awesome lol

[summer mural]

Primus are pretty strong yeah

[near wasp]

I can't breathe omg

[paper haven]

That's what I've seen at least. They're supposed to be extremely tough

[opaque coyote]

I remember reading a smut piece out of boredom.

And the author note at the end is like

"Btw I never had a romantic relationship so forgive me for any inaccuracies"

+1 for being honest at least

AO3 author notes are interesting as fuck

[lament shoal]

"I guide others to a treasure I cannot possess."

[summer mural]

Primus is pretty much the Frontline war leader for the whole cult, they tend to have no better single warrior

Except the patriarch probably

[opaque coyote]

I read a fanfic. It's a helltaker one.

And what is wild is that every update, it seems that the author is just

[paper haven]

He's doing his best

[opaque coyote]

Going through the wildest and worst possible fates a person can have

And it genuinely makes me feel terrible for him

[paper haven]

At least it's lore accurate

[arctic talon]

They’ve studied the blade

While all the other hybrids were having children or living their lives

They studied the art of war

[paper haven]

That's basically all they do

[summer mural]

Their entire job is military combat and leadership

[paper haven]

I'm fairly certain there's some hive mind installed combat skills too

[lament shoal]

The more I learn about genestealer cults the more I love them

[opaque coyote]

Like, this is unironically a part of the most recent chapter author notes for the fic.

"-My dad nearly broke my leg. Twice. Two days back to back. Wasn't intentional, mind you, he just REALLY fucking sucks at moving heavy furniture! And listening to other people. AND APOLOGIZING."

[summer mural]

I'm pretty sure Primus can handle honor guard on average , plot things aside

[paper haven]

Like how Neo learns kung fu

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-kung-fu-neo-keanu-reeves-the-matrix-karate-gif-22197104

[opaque coyote]

Along with...

"-My house got half-demolished. It was initially for "minor" renovations but then we found out a whole wall was water-damaged to like, a structurally concerning degree when one of us swung a hammer into it and unleashed Nurgle's cauldron. Ya ever smell a smell so mind-meltingly foul you can almost get a whiff of it just by remembering it? I have. The horror... Oh and we're still not even done fixing things yet either!"

[summer mural]

Kelermorphs are awesome

[opaque coyote]

Meanwhile I haven't updated my fic because I am busy with college

[summer mural]

I'm lost ngl.

[paper haven]

I know it sucks now but he's lucky he found out that way

[lament shoal]

I will probably forever glaze owlcat for the void shadows dlc lmfao

[summer mural]

It's a cool little concept

To have gunslingers be like rebel heroes for the common folk

And they are genestealers with three revolvers ofc

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/revolver-ocelot-gaming-mgs-guns-gif-17353618

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

That would be a cool story

[lament shoal]

Also I love that if you're a commissar, you scream at a human rebel who sided with the cult and she immediately realizes that you must be in the right because of how pissed you are LMAO

[opaque coyote]

A classic Western but it's a genestealer

[summer mural]

Well that's the idea

Like people look up to the kelermorph

[paper haven]

Like all good westerns, it doesn't end well

[summer mural]

Because he's a lone hero fighting all the obvious oppression

[opaque coyote]

It would be Grimdark because again...

Genestealer

But it would be framed the exact same as a western

[opaque coyote]

Imagining a classic standoff with an arbites

[tough haven]

THATS literally every Kelermorph

[opaque coyote]

God that would be awesome

[summer mural]

Yeah

[summer mural]

That's what I said?

[tough haven]

You described exactly what they already do

Yeah

[summer mural]

Yep

[paper haven]

Did the hero die because he was burdened by the code he follows?

[tough haven]

Western fans when they have to travel one of the other 3 cardinal directions

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-shape-cat-fall-collapse-tired-gif-19686585

[paper haven]

It's just not possible

[lament shoal]

Felinid guardsman attempts to climb into a baneblade

[summer mural]

Plus genestealers tend to have cool vehicles and weaponry in general because they to behave like terrorists and freedom fighters, riding gun trucks, dirt bikes and stuff instead of some hybrid advanced tyranid tank fusion

[paper haven]

I'm still in disbelief that cat girls are canon.

[tough haven]

Honda truck with a mounted gun on the back

[arctic talon]

Ultimate weapon

[lament shoal]

Took humanity a near galaxy ending civil war and 10,000 years of stagnation to finally get cat girls

[paper haven]

If it ain't broke don't fix it

[opaque coyote]

"You violated law 16-29210B."

"For trying to prevent you from shooting a kid?"

"This planet is 1% short of it's tithe."

"And does that mean that children should be shot? By the four armed emperor... I just don't understand!"

"It's the law. And it's also against the law to obstruct an officer."

Arbites points a gun at our 'hero'

"Wait. WAIT! LAW 16-210A!"

Arbite simply points the gun

"A duel. When the planet's sun rises through the smog. 9 Terran hours from now. If I win... you leave them alone."

"...fine. Say your prayers to the Emperor."

[summer mural]

High noon showdown with a cowboy holding three revolvers

[paper haven]

And then he shoots him anyway. Roll credits

[tough haven]

Waits for him to turn away and then shoots him

[lament shoal]

Yeah no way an Arbitrator would let that slide lmfao

[opaque coyote]

That's what I imagine tbh. The Kelermorph turns to walk away and the Arbite shoots him.

And our 'hero' dives away and begins blasting

[summer mural]

The Maul interrupts this conversation by bursting out of a door going " THREATENING AN ARBITRATOR. MANDATED EDICT : PSYCHIC RECONSTRUCTION"

[paper haven]

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford

[tough haven]

No I mean he says "sure we'll duel' kelermorph turns away to start prepping for the duel, and the arbitrator instantly shoots him in the head when he drops his guard

[paper haven]

But in 40k

[crystal forum]

i feel like im about to learn some deep american lore here

[summer mural]

It's a great movie

[lament shoal]

Ah, well definitely that too lol

[paper haven]

Well I mean.

[tough haven]

Dude, my country has the fucking craziest deep lore

[summer mural]

One of the greatest movies

[tough haven]

its a really fucked up country

[summer mural]

also arguably Brad Pitts best movie. Arguably

[arctic talon]

Ned Kelley kellermorph when

[tough haven]

but some of the little lore tidbits are so weird and hilarious I question if the US is real

[paper haven]

It's a really good movie

[opaque coyote]

I can imagine a shoot out would happen as a result.

Well if you want to make the story exciting lmao

[crystal forum]

what movie

[summer mural]

The assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert ford

[crystal forum]

is that the name

[summer mural]

It's the name of a movie

Yes

[paper haven]

That's the full name

[crystal forum]

damn

[summer mural]

Based on true story

Iirc

[tough haven]

Its like those anime that say exactly what it is in the title

[paper haven]

The perspective might seem biased

[lament shoal]

The fact that all these things happen across a comparatively short time span too lmao

[paper haven]

But only a little

From what I've heard the movie is about as true to what happened as you can get

[lament shoal]

Tombstone is really good too since we're on the subject of westerns

[lament shoal]

I have been waiting for someone to make this variant

[paper haven]

I don't believe in humor

[tough haven]

Shit, now that we're talking about it, I cant remember a single one

[tough haven]

Fabius bile

[paper haven]

Which is a bit ironic when you consider how much of a joke he is

[summer mural]

Is fabius even devoted to slaanesh

[arctic talon]

Sort of

Not really

He’s blessed by slaanesh

But he isn’t that devoted to slaanesh

[lament shoal]

Dude he's an atheist to his CORE. He literally came face to face with Slaanesh HERSELF and went "Nah you ain't real, fuck off."

[arctic talon]

His obsession over genetics and his perfection

Of the stuff

[arctic talon]

Tbf he comes around on that

By the final book

[lament shoal]

Gotcha

[arctic talon]

But he doesn’t worship slaanesh at all

[summer mural]

We need more world eater apothecaries

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh just feeds on his actions and has marked him

[lament shoal]

A WE apothecary is performing surgery on a brother when suddenly the nails start biting and he just kills the guy on the operating table lmao

[summer mural]

Also after getting into aos, I can't recall what the empire was doing in fantasy anymore to fight chaos warriors in melee, it's kinda hard to recall after the sigmarine option became available

[summer mural]

FOR KHORNE

That'd be so great to watch

He just turns around with his needle and goes who else is wounded

Finds another world eater wounded and starts flensing his skull then and there

[young pecan]

Probably dying for the most part

[storm jungle]

Literally just fighting them medieval style

sometimes getting help from wizards and artillery barrages with fireworks rockets

[summer mural]

Imagine training your whole life to be a greatsword instead of picking up a rifle and then deciding to charge into chaos warriors

For Sigmar

[arctic talon]

Tbf they still have normal ass people fighting chaos warriors in melee

It uh

It doesn’t usually go well

tbh even in whfb it didn’t go well

[paper haven]

From what I've seen the empire is at Pike and Shot technology currently and also has magic

[arctic talon]

But on the upside, gun

Yeah the empire is fantasy pike and shot

Empire infantry traditionally exists to stall for time

On the tabletop lol

So your people with guns and artillery can put on the hurt

[paper haven]

Their firearms are powerful but still very primitive so they need the protection of other unit formations to be effective

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[paper haven]

Generally, pikemen

[arctic talon]

Normal ass person vs disgusting nurglite chaos warrior

[paper haven]

And you might ask, why pikes and not spears and why no shields

[arctic talon]

It’s for dealing with cavalry no?

[paper haven]

A spear wall would be just as effective against cavalry.

[sacred ginkgo]

18 feet of reach versus like 6

Your choice

[paper haven]

The reason is body armor and the fact that pikes have better reach

[arctic talon]

I c

Anyways people complaining empire melee soldiers in TWW3 feel like they deal no damage and are weak has always been a weird argument to me

[sacred ginkgo]

Pikes also let you put multiple ranks worth of infantry to work instead of 1 or 2

[arctic talon]

They’re not supposed to be your main like

[summer mural]

Nah

[arctic talon]

Source of damage lol

[summer mural]

It's ca recommending empire as beginner faction that's problematic lmao

[paper haven]

Pikemen wear breastplates and helmets, which doesn't provide perfect coverage but is good enough to justify dropping the shield to two hand your weapon

[summer mural]

Empire is not easy to field in battle in wh3 if it's your first time playing

[arctic talon]

Oh for sure lmao

Empire is total shit as a beginner faction

[paper haven]

And when their only job is to stall while your artillery and gun lines get set, that's all you really need

[summer mural]

New players try to make a traditional line of spear walls to fight back chaos warriors, because it's intuitive thing to do, of course everyone's gonna die because you need to deal dmg with your guns asap

And artillery

And you have to use your magic to buff liberally or to deal dmg but new players tend to forget that

[arctic talon]

What’s magic

/s

[summer mural]

The correct thing to do is play gelt, Yell LORE OF METAL and bomb every heretic from orbit

[arctic talon]

Real

[summer mural]

welcome to Estalia gentlemen, I promise you , some of you are going to die for my personal research but I'll try to save as many as possible

Finally, honesty.

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/kong-apocalypse-now-chaos-smiling-explosion-gif-17522854

[summer mural]

At least bretonnian lore against chaos is decent?

Like grail knights are superhuman

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[paper haven]

Yes but at the cost of being French

[summer mural]

True

[arctic talon]

Also cav fucks unmounted Chaos Warriors in lore

Big surprise

[paper haven]

Medieval French

[arctic talon]

lol

[summer mural]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

The issue is when the chaos warriors start riding horses

[paper haven]

Oh wow, Shock cavalry is good against infantry

[arctic talon]

Surprise

[paper haven]

Who could have predicted this?

[summer mural]

Well, afaik chosen are generally the best toe to toe melee infantry in the setting, plot and heroes aside

[arctic talon]

Archaon hates grail knights so much he made his own grail knights in AoS

/hj

[arctic talon]

Yeah no chaos chosen are pretty horrifying both in lore and on the tabletop lol

[paper haven]

Yeah, but they are still just a guy on foot with a sword

[arctic talon]

They cost you several arms worth of cash though

lol

[summer mural]

Varanguard have extra stuff over chaos knights in lore?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[paper haven]

Even if that sword is very scary

[arctic talon]

Varanguard are all chaos lords

And go on a “journey”

[summer mural]

Oh right

[arctic talon]

To finally become one

[summer mural]

Yeah they need some Uber qualifications

[paper haven]

I like fantasy chaos better than 40k chaos

[arctic talon]

The devious 400 wolf rider whfb list

Chaos in AoS is my favorite iteration of chaos by far

Due to how many chaos civilizations GW made

[paper haven]

Even though I generally like 40k more

[summer mural]

I liked fantasy and aos more than 40k in general, end times don't exist. But I find 40k funnier

[paper haven]

I think fantasy does a far better job of portraying chaos

[arctic talon]

I like 40k more generally

Tbh

[summer mural]

40k is stretched a little thin when it comes to chaos, also 40k daemons don't get as much representation in comparison

[arctic talon]

Tbf chaos daemons also get fucked in AoS

lol

They’re not winning in any of the systems rn

[paper haven]

How do you have a whole galaxy to play with and somehow wind up being less fleshed out?

[arctic talon]

Too big

lol

[paper haven]

Get your shit together 40k

[summer mural]

But 40k xenos are the cake

[arctic talon]

Anyways bring morale back in AoS

I’m sad morale got removed

[summer mural]

They get so much detail and stuff with the xenos

[arctic talon]

Not because I liked causing a total rout with trees

[summer mural]

And none of them have to kowtow to the hoomies

[arctic talon]

After turning the board into Vietnam

[paper haven]

That's lore accurate

[summer mural]

Also fantasy and aos doesn't make me uncomfortable and curious with stuff like hive cities and servitors and shit

[paper haven]

When the trees start speaking Evlish, lore of metal is the only solution

[summer mural]

The thing I think I've come to appreciate most about fantasy as a setting is that it has a simple map where everything happens

Aos has multiple realms

40k is well

You know

[paper haven]

Multiverses are just for cowards who don't want to commit to a single storyline

[arctic talon]

AoS’s multiple realms aren’t treated like a multiverse

So it’s fine

It’s more like planets lol

[summer mural]

They are

[arctic talon]

That are connected via portals

[summer mural]

Like planets yes