40k-lore-chat

[summer mural]

it looks like any lord

probably a lord celestant

[storm jungle]

Bro is this gonna be on the test

[celest dome]

The autism test ?

Didn't we all graduate on that already

Isn't this the Autism containment area ?

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

maybe you guys i'm just stupid

[celest dome]

Too stupid to realise you're one of us

[ornate estuary]

Shit imma need some hypnoindoctrination to this shit.

[summer mural]

so

how many stormcasts actually get to see sigmar

like his gates are closed and all

but hes probably got like..helpers running around

[storm jungle]

It kinda depends as usual, Sigmar is like an actually active god so only THE highest stormcast in Azyr are allowed an audience with him

guy is busy dealing with like 1000000 problems daily so

[summer mural]

i wonder if carthalos has ever seen him

[storm jungle]

Very likely, hes a bigshot.

Sigmar talks with his Stormcast in person but it's sort of rare and a big deal whenever it happens. Its like meeting the president, he does go and talk to people but unless you're part of his personal inner circle you'll probably meet him only once or twice in your life.

[summer mural]

and the inner 6 probably have

[storm jungle]

most of your interactions with him will also basically be like the president

"Hey I know that guy! Ive seen him!"

[summer mural]

yeah

[storm jungle]

but he also actively takes part in your resurrection so uhhh already better than most world leaders lol

[summer mural]

like see him eating breakfast or something at mcdonalds

i finished s1 of black talon too

[storm jungle]

Its good innit

[summer mural]

bruh, her past life

[storm jungle]

Its fucked up

[summer mural]

yeah its pretty good

[storm jungle]

[summer mural]

I enjoyed it, cant lie

story kept going

so shes a knight zephyros

the idoneth mage inclusion was especially nice

[storm jungle]

Yeah Lorai, shes basically a mercenary-mage and also pretty hot so she has my vote

[summer mural]

Dude thats what I thought

SHES HOT

also smart

[storm jungle]

I literally had to clip every single one of her appearances in S1 for a friend once so uhhh I very much get the appeal

[summer mural]

is the one with the crossbow a raptor

or a judicator

the old white guy with the beard is an asshole, like they tend to be, although I can understand his motivation

[storm jungle]

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blacktalons_(Stormcast_Eternals)

i think ALL of them are technically Zephyroses

since they very much act as dignitary assassins in the series constantly

[storm jungle]

The reveal was a fucking gutpunch too

it makes it even more fucked up with the dementia from respawning

[summer mural]

yeah

her mirror self was like " youl be back here"

and wont remember this

and shes like" il choose again"

and the mirror self goes like " you always do"

[storm jungle]

And thats why shes a great hero and exemplar yeah

naive but brave

adds up lol

[summer mural]

that cycle is so fucked up

i bet some of them have super messed up stories

[storm jungle]

Oh nah yeah absolutely, its even worse the more you lose yourself as well. Its why I love when she wakes up in like the first episode and sees one of the stormcasts overseeing her healing and shes traumatized and doesnt want to end up like them

[summer mural]

the waking up needs like

a procedure

they just wake up and wander around all traumatized and the stormcasts are like " first time?"

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly. Its one of the few things non-AOS fans call "lame" on the grimdark scale before you kinda see it visually or described in detail on text.

dementia/losing memories is a great fear of a lot of people IRL

so i think it makes it even better in my opinion

[summer mural]

also

its not like stormcasts get trained from childhood or something, you basically die and then you get reborn somewhere as a grown up stormcast

so do they get like..indoctrination

or do they just tell them that theyve been brought back to life for a great duty for the good of the realm and sigmar chose them because they were brave heroes in their past life

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah and they dont exactly lie to them, the people chosen are chosen for a reason knowingly that they would serve Sigmar and the mortal realms willingly.

[celest dome]

There is some indoctrination, but not like SM ones

[storm jungle]

Sigmar only chooses pure souls who WANT to fight but yeah there is some indoctrination, but its like a lot more light version of what marine Chaplains do

[summer mural]

well its a positive activity, especially considering the chosen people already have heroic traits innate in them

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah

[celest dome]

Some were Chaos warriors

[summer mural]

but Im assuming they get like training

[storm jungle]

^

Oh nah yeah they do

[summer mural]

so ive discovered

[storm jungle]

stormhosts are basically Chapters so they all got their own ways/teachings

some are good, some are grey and some are terrible

[summer mural]

the ruination chambers are the bomb

[storm jungle]

though there is some other examples

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Keldrek

like this cunt

[summer mural]

[storm jungle]

Some people will just be evil

[summer mural]

the idoneth mage has a good deal too

she gets to mercy kill and drain souls from like bad guys and stuff

[storm jungle]

Yeah shes a hireling so that checks out

[summer mural]

the general alliance thing took a second to adjust to after watching all the 40k shows

the treekin and stormcast going into battle together like its normal

backstabbing politics with daughters of khaine

[storm jungle]

Yeah just like Warhammer Fantasy in AOS Order factions are all "allies"

it only gets murky depending on the diplomatic talks/which faction is meeting who lol

also in many cities lots of species live alongside each other

[summer mural]

well the daughters of khaine one was good tbh

especially considering the daughters were innocent

[storm jungle]

I was too distracted by the gyatt but ill agree

[summer mural]

well " innocent" innocent of the crimes they were charged with

and yeah those daughters were uh

well they were well animated

[storm jungle]

I took many screencaps when that episode was out

but jokes aside yeah that is one advantage WHF/AOS has

aka you can actually have different races work together without convoluting anything

[summer mural]

the queen was majestic

[celest dome]

perv

[storm jungle]

which you basically cant in 40k

[celest dome]

based

[storm jungle]

unless its like nids/crons attacking

I love 40k but AOS just has so many alternatives to stuff you cant do in it which is great

[summer mural]

40k needs like a season where you only follow one group of marines around and it should be episodic

basically like black talon

conceptually

[storm jungle]

man I wish

[summer mural]

or guardsmen or anything too, but lets face its its gonna be marines if its like that

[storm jungle]

the thing that makes Blacktalon interesting is they actually walk around, talk and interact with different communities and species etc, which is essentially impossible in 40k hence why almost all space marine animations are just bolterslop

[summer mural]

yeah its an episodic group that go on adventures every episode together

they get to plan out stuff and talk amongst themselves

[storm jungle]

Yeah classic fantasy stuff with a warhammer tinge its really good

[celest dome]

Rogue Trader is basically the only means to do so

[storm jungle]

Yeah meanwhile if Marines did this they basically have zero free will in the matter + are just brainwashed.

[queen laurel]

me watching the chaos lord i serve get molly wopped by the average discord friend group

[summer mural]

you can do an awesome deathwatch show

its not like the talons arent under orders

[storm jungle]

Yeah that too

A marine would never for example stop and talk to that clean looking man-at-arms dude to explain to him hes spreading Nurgle's plagues everywhere

[celest dome]

Is this a tag yourself game

[storm jungle]

they'd just say some generic shit and shoot him

[tough haven]

I’m still ham fisting in reasons for my multi race party to work together

[queen laurel]

what no because you would be this guy

[daring creek]

Is that an Ork with repurposed space marine armor

[storm jungle]

"hamfisting" is the best way to put it lol

[tough haven]

Basically the reason that’s prevailed is “everything’s fucked, might as well work together”

[rose thorn]

mercy kill,,, yeah...

[tough haven]

“Can’t afford to kill you yet”

[queen laurel]

age of sigmar ironjaw, a brute specifically

[daring creek]

lmao

[summer mural]

well shes not allowed to kill innocents

[celest dome]

Tbh if I was to be isekaied on AoS, I'd hope to be a Duardin Kharadron

[storm jungle]

Yeah and thats lame and tedious, its much better in the classic fantasy setup where its just "Hey wanna teamup?" followed by a "Sure why not" compared to the amount of backflips you need to do to explain it in 40k lol

[summer mural]

she is allowed to take souls from dying folk though, or put someone out of their misery

[rose thorn]

oh the black talon character?

[summer mural]

yeah

[rose thorn]

i have the kti i cant rememebr her name tho

[summer mural]

not normal idoneth lol

[celest dome]

"Hey we're looking to find a lost shipment of Dwarf alcohol, you in"

[summer mural]

lorai

[queen laurel]

I would settle for the loudest form of a bard in fiction

[tough haven]

There’s no backflips, basically all of the party is thinking in a collective thought bubble “they’re useful, so I’ll kill them later”

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats a backflip though

[tough haven]

Everyone is gonna be fighting in the end slides of the campaign like in RT

[storm jungle]

the most tired excuse in 40k is "common enemy lets temporarily teamup"

[rose thorn]

i hope they do another expansion soon for ruination chamber, gitmob, and cities of sigma r

[celest dome]

But honestly that create stiff relations

[tough haven]

It’s the temporary team up that slowly grows in affinity

[summer mural]

single deathwatch kill team for a season, they have overarching plot but episodic nature every episode, they get a boss they answer to and their deathwatch outpost

[tough haven]

That’s the point!

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

Unlike with the U5, they're fighting hopeless fights, they're gonna die, but they're able to evolve past it

[tough haven]

My favorite dynamic is the ragtag group that’s forced to work together

[summer mural]

so, drug addicts

[tough haven]

But would otherwise kill one another

[tough haven]

Yes

[summer mural]

definitely drug addicts

also the entirety of the dark angels

but i guess you can do tau and eldar teamups

and throw in a guardsmen ig

or a radical interrogator

maybe a tzeentch guy

[storm jungle]

[summer mural]

or you can just make cool killteam from different chapters with competent marines that have friction, including new guy and veterans and different roles and murder xenos men, women and children with ruthless abandon and extreme gore

https://tenor.com/view/toad-hype-overload-overload-gif-7868864

[storm jungle]

NO.

[remote widget]

You wouldn't say hand sanitizer doesn't work because .1% of bacteria survive, so why hate on the lasgun when it's the same tale

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-eyes-pretty-please-please-me-love-it-gif-15068169

[median star]

the deathwatch in question

[summer mural]

yes

the woefully underutilized arm of the ordo xenos

except for that time they may have saved slaanesh's life

[median star]

my favorite small group tho hardly having any lore behind it in 40k is the immaterial college

[summer mural]

mine is 40k fans that are part of the employed labor force

[tough haven]

Deathwatch.

[summer mural]

yeah its deathwatch

I just forgot to mention deathwatch killteam lol

[rose thorn]

road map next week for aos

HYPE

[summer mural]

is that a realmgate

[celest dome]

Think so

[summer mural]

well its from aos

cant be anything else I think

[celest dome]

Might be one of the special one from Azyr/Sigmar

[summer mural]

this is in hammerhal

so..probably?

[rose thorn]

yes! i think thats the hammerhal one, which is one of the most stable one in the realm

[rose thorn]

hammerhal is in aqshy and ghyran

[tough haven]

Trying to come up with a second name for a runtherd that was kicked out of his tribe for his protective nature towards his grots

Ogak Githelpa comes to mind but it ain’t very Orky

It does work though, cause now he’s a Freeboota mercenary and has accidentally helped a lot of gits

[summer mural]

do the keys the castellants carry mean anything

like the giant keys on their back

they also get called keeper of the keys iirc

do they open the locked door to the larder?

[rose thorn]

?

[summer mural]

uh

lemme see if I can find a pic

That thing

[rose thorn]

OH

the guy in toll

[summer mural]

oh hes THE SAME GUY, I JUST REMEMBERED

thanks for reminding me lol

[rose thorn]

no porblem

[summer mural]

so I guess only he carries the key to the larder?

or to..wherever

also that pics from blacktalon , so hes in both

[rose thorn]

Valius, the Keeper Aqshian

[queen laurel]

What do you mean that's very orky

[summer mural]

yeah lord valius

does his key symbolize anything

or in general

[tough haven]

I feel like that’s a name that orks get made fun of for lol

[queen laurel]

yeah

that's the point

[rose thorn]

i think it probably ahs to do with his role as a protector of hammerhal

[queen laurel]

orks mock members they find not right

[rose thorn]

it just symbolizes his dedication to protecting hammherhal aqhsy? his shiel dhas the old hammerhal symbol on it too

[tough haven]

Yeah thats why it didnt seem very orky lol

[summer mural]

his gryphs got a key too

[tough haven]

Dude has a crazy bonus vs locks

[queen laurel]

have you read the new Grotsnik

[storm jungle]

Yeah tho in his case thats becaue hes a good boy

[summer mural]

hes probably levelled up thievery to 100

[tough haven]

Yeah with Valtun the Patient?

[summer mural]

and got a giant key

[queen laurel]

yeah you see the point i'm making

[tough haven]

Thats immediately what I thought of

[queen laurel]

Orks gave that name to him not as a good title but to mock him

That's the point you already made a perfect name

[summer mural]

either that or he was a thief in his past life and sigmar gave him auto penance armor

[rose thorn]

yeah its specifically something for him, ill get the callis and toll book hes in sometime soon adn ill tell you whats up

[summer mural]

nice, thanks

[rose thorn]

i gotta read the silver shard first

[near wasp]

I just finished grotenik

Peak book

[summer mural]

so how often does warhammer plus get content added to it

in terms of shows

[storm jungle]

like

a month or two lol

its very long

[summer mural]

thats not so bad

I assume hammer and bolter and blacktalon are the only ongoing shows

[rose thorn]

@summer mural

[summer mural]

damn

He must be getting discounts at the best stores

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/197489573436063754/1410292661298008257/99120218001_CelestantPrime01.jpg?ex=68b07ce4&is=68af2b64&hm=fc0eb68042614ee552af310a11092de79fe087e798d7cc25d39df41c6cb7273c&

When tf are they updating him

He’s so ugly lol

[summer mural]

he doesnt have the legendary jawline of karl franz yes

[rose thorn]

probably end of this edition or start of next

[arctic talon]

Helmetless option is just Karl franz’s head from the WHFB kit

[arctic talon]

I hope so

[summer mural]

like

really?

[arctic talon]

No

But it literally is Karl franz

Like the dudes face is described

And it’s suspiciously similar

Along with being the last of the emperors in an civilization of the world that was

[summer mural]

well that I knew

celestant prime probably does get to see and talk to sigmar i assume

probably moreso than anyone else

[rose thorn]

the freeguild general on gryphon is still avaliable rules wiselmao

[summer mural]

what if the entire planet of catachan is a giant tyranid

[lament shoal]

SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS

[lament shoal]

Is there any mention of the rest of the Moebian regiments' reactions to the 6th falling to chaos? I imagine it would be a mark of shame

[summer mural]

it is kinda

dukane blames the leadership on atoma prime

and she runs the moebian 23rd

who are from magna branx iirc

different planet in same system basically

[lament shoal]

Gotcha, ty

[summer mural]

basically she says the leadership and administration on atoma prime is so corrupt and sloppy they enabled the moebian 6th to fall to chaos

[celest dome]

53rd

[summer mural]

yeah 53rd

[celest dome]

The only regiments we know of are the 53rd of Dukane, who are planning on using that to establish themselves as the bestest boys of the sector (and push Branx as the dominant and capital world); and the 21st, who are pretty much just depressed or dead

[lament shoal]

Ty

[urban spire]

proportions of an infant with a very tiny head

[arctic talon]

My hatred for the original stormcast look will never die

Thank god GW didn’t double down

[opaque coyote]

The fucking E.T comment is wild I love it

[lament shoal]

Its almost always black templar fans

[paper haven]

The only people more irritating than the media illiterate are the media literate

[lament shoal]

Nothing against black templars, its just that some of the fans of the chapter are so insufferable

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[paper haven]

And Death Korps fans

[lament shoal]

God you're right, I forgot about them

[paper haven]

The media literate and Death Korps fans are just. The worst.

[spring cairn]

literate or illiterate ?

why would understanding the medium be annoying

or you mean people who constantly go "uhm acthutally"

[paper haven]

Refer to my previous statement for clarification.
And you have answered your own question

[spring cairn]

yes i usually do this because i'm very smart

[paper haven]

It's fairly convenient, I would imagine

Saves a lot of time, presumably

[rose thorn]

forgot the ai art

[paper haven]

Oh man, 40k AI art is getting bad. I'm seeing it every where

[rose thorn]

the online 40k community has gotten pretty bad lately, mainly becuase of bots and idiots

[opaque coyote]

Pain

[paper haven]

The fun part is trying to tell one from the other

Well, not fun

Part bemusement, part infuriating

[rose thorn]

i have a feeling like, 15% of the toxic 40k community is just alt accounts

[opaque coyote]

God I

Remember the fucking chaos LGBTQ+ strawman chapter

That used AI art

[rose thorn]

huh??????

the wheel chair thing?

[opaque coyote]

I remember it being posted in fucking

Horus Galaxy

[rose thorn]

oh lmao

hrous galaxy

thnk god its dead

[opaque coyote]

The

[arctic talon]

Prolly lol

[opaque coyote]

What

[arctic talon]

But people love sock puppeting

In general

[rose thorn]

yeah

[rose thorn]

ai art of a black female queer obese space marine in a wheel chair, and people who dont know warhammer gaslit them selves into believing its real??????

[opaque coyote]

...

So dreadnoughts got it

[rose thorn]

and drew art of like, kicking or killing them?

[opaque coyote]

[paper haven]

Baited

[rose thorn]

its psychotic

yeah

then it became a bit of an art trend

[spare osprey]

It actually wasn’t ai lmao

Which made it even funnier to see them mad

[opaque coyote]

I need to see this

[spare osprey]

The person who draws the uhhh

Space maids

Drew it

[opaque coyote]

My morbid curiosity

[rose thorn]

ohhhh so it was literal bait lmao

[opaque coyote]

Oh it was bait

[paper haven]

I don't know anything about the artist, it was clearly bait so I looked at it, chuckled a little and moved on

[queen laurel]

@opaque coyote this one

[opaque coyote]

Fantastic

[celest dome]

People thought it was like official art ?

[opaque coyote]

I love it

[rose thorn]

yeah

it was originally ai art i was right

[opaque coyote]

PDFFFTTT

[celest dome]

Are people brain dead

[rose thorn]

but the space maid perosn redrew it

[rose thorn]

yes

[spare osprey]

It made the worst ppl you know mad

[celest dome]

Like even without the Ai part it just doesn't look like any official art

[opaque coyote]

More importantly, would dreadnoughts count as SM in a wheelchair

[celest dome]

They need to be put in an hospice

[rose thorn]

even with the ai part it doesnt look like naything officially 40k

[paper haven]

I wish it was official art, but sadly we cannot have such treasures

[opaque coyote]

The dreadnought literally could be considered a very advanced wheelchair

[celest dome]

Mobility Walkers

[spare osprey]

Yeah walkers

[opaque coyote]

I don't think they thought it was official? They just hate it

[spare osprey]

Yeah cause they’re fuckin dweebs

[opaque coyote]

And hate the artist

[spare osprey]

Who buy one primaris kit then call everyone else tourists

Looking at you Black Templar Twitter fans

[opaque coyote]

I have no kits

Y'all are tourists clearly

[paper haven]

They gotta support the creators

GW is a small indie company, after all

[rose thorn]

i know poeple thought it was real lmao

[queen laurel]

Mobility Walker just like this guy but more armed to the teeth with armor and weapons

[median star]

the worst part is its also phobos

[opaque coyote]

...

That image could technically be canon

[paper haven]

I would say a penitent walker fits the combat wheelchair thing better

[opaque coyote]

Like

[spare osprey]

Just found the art of a sister of battle kicking them

[rose thorn]

no?

[rose thorn]

yeah made by a generally well respected artist

[paper haven]

Dreadnaughts are like, full on life support

[spare osprey]

And it’s made by the bitch who makes black Templar x sob stuff

Saw that coming

[spare osprey]

I trust no black Templar fans I’m ngl

[rose thorn]

i think he just didnt realize what was going on? he seems to just be trend hopping there

[opaque coyote]

Should've been a picture of them in a poly relationship

[rose thorn]

peak

[paper haven]

I don't think black Templars can be in a relationship like that though

[rose thorn]

rogue trader polyamory mod when

i d check but the rogue trader mod page is utter ass

[opaque coyote]

They ignore the codex astartes, they can ignore monogamy

[spare osprey]

LET ME WATCH MY COMPANIONS FUCK

[winter vessel]

just came across this cool artwork of a homebrew chapter. kinda going for like a Tibetan monk style look

[rose thorn]

i wonder if 40k players kin post thier ocs

[paper haven]

Like even if they had the ability, they're like super committed to their job.

[opaque coyote]

That is cool

[spare osprey]

That tech marine is actually really awesome

Idk how serious I can take a guy with his eyes perpetually closed tho

Lowk Dante is goofy too

[opaque coyote]

Top one reminds me of Zenyatta

From overwatch

[rose thorn]

pretty good, i like that it isnt over designed like most 40k homebrew chapters inspired by stuff like that

[winter vessel]

it'd be funny if underneath the mask he takes it off and he is just the most angry s.o.b in the chapter

[rose thorn]

i hope you are sitting down

[paper haven]

Tibetan monk space Marines should be possible

[rose thorn]

you will never guess what zenyatta is based off of

[queen laurel]

@celest dome you know how the Champions of chaos expansion for soul bound is supposed to be a thing

[opaque coyote]

No way... YOU MEAN?!?!

[queen laurel]

Apparently they just went screw it let's just make it into a different TTRPG

[paper haven]

There's pretty much every other combination of sci fi and warrior culture out there

[opaque coyote]

[spare osprey]

Wdym the prison marines are peak

[rose thorn]

what i like also is that the space mairnes arent like, all casting magic like most monk marine ideas, isntead its repersented by designs on their amror

[opaque coyote]

Seriously though, I love the top guy's design

[rocky gale]

[opaque coyote]

It's cool

[celest dome]

No way

That's great

[rose thorn]

squid games aah

[winter vessel]

i call this one the beetlejuice marines

[celest dome]

Dark Crusade AoS time

[spare osprey]

I’m just sayin let me put Pasqal and Kibellah in a room and see what happens

[opaque coyote]

Don't drop the soap next to them

[spare osprey]

Aye

That tally mark ain’t for kills

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-booty-warrior-i-likes-ya-i-want-ya-gif-7256881

[winter vessel]

hold on i found a side by side gear comparison for the Tibetan Marines

[queen laurel]

it's gonna be fairly similar but it's basically its own stand alone expansion

just like an old RTS game from an old time

[vagrant fox]

Blazing Lotus chapter or whatever they're called is a cool homebrew

[rocky gale]

[opaque coyote]

The flaming ring is probably a decorated iron halo

[winter vessel]

i swear the one with the death mask is this close to doing the pacha meme👌

[queen laurel]

@rose thorn oh yeah

[rose thorn]

glad the artist showed restraint

[rose thorn]

WHERE IS THAT???

[queen laurel]

The new champions of chaos expansion for soulbound starts you at

[winter vessel]

trying to find the artist's name...

[rose thorn]

HOLY SHIT

[queen laurel]

Blood wind spoil

[rose thorn]

LMAO

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

finally

[vagrant fox]

https://www.deviantart.com/arturbs/art/Warhammer-40k-Blazing-Lotus-897832508

Should be this guy

[winter vessel]

yeah! thats the one

[queen laurel]

yeah the expansion is coming out very close i'm pretty

sure

And don't worry I will immediately get it to read all of the material just to not play the game

[near wasp]

So I just listened to the conversation with big e and gulliman again and I've started to think

What it big e isn't calling gulliman a failure but himself a failure. Maybe the emperor is refecting on how bad his plan failed how everything shattered.

[celest dome]

soo

[rose thorn]

i need to get all teh soulbound stuff i just have no clue wher eot get it

[celest dome]

it's difficult to really say

The Emp. never really appeared as the sort to self reflect

[rose thorn]

he could mean both of them are a failure, emperor called him his tool, so when the emperor fails his tools fail and vise versa. he is also insane

[celest dome]

I wouldn't really think that excerpt can really be considered as it calling himself the failure

[rose thorn]

eh only realized his mistkae being put into a coma

[vagrant fox]

It's hard to say, it could be every possible conversation psychically unzipped in into g-mans mind and his brain just has to interpret the whole thing somehow

[near wasp]

Yeah it's hard to interpret

As is the case with everything with the emperor

[arctic talon]

Drive through RPG or cubicle 7’s site

[queen laurel]

i love the fact that the other three orders are literally you can be undead you can be a literal ogre you can

still work with the good guys

but chaos

Yeah we're gonna need to be a bit different here to make it work

[lament shoal]

That's dope as hell. Giving me ideas for my own homebrew that I've been working on

[rocky gale]

Dark Heresy Sororitas companion

😳

[lament shoal]

Yeah I noticed that as well. Is that a Canoness?

[rocky gale]

That's my girlfriend

[lament shoal]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

Probably not

[rocky gale]

Palatine probably

[lament shoal]

Regardless, its nice we'll be getting another sororitas companion

[rocky gale]

Nice to see a Sister that's not Martyred Lady

[paper haven]

We stan martyred ladies in this house

[opaque coyote]

I'm thinking of a story for my dark heresy one shot

Basically

Considering it's gonna be 3 people? I think. Maybe 4

Either way, since it's gonna be a one shot, I thought of it starting off with their characters needing to investigate and clear out a chaos cult

And then it ends with them encountering a Chaos SM.

And of course, I entirely expect all of their characters to fucking die because it's a Chaos SM.

[paper haven]

Oh I get it, because they'll all die in one shot

Clever

[opaque coyote]

ba dum tss

Idk maybe two

[paper haven]

I've had a dark heresy character lined up for awhile, but nobody plays that game anymore

[opaque coyote]

The Chaos SM is probably just gonna be a word bearer

If I remember correctly, I think they sometimes set up cults solo

[paper haven]

They do. They're all about that, actually

[opaque coyote]

Should I at least give an opportunity for their characters to run

Or should them all fucking dying be the ending

[paper haven]

I'd leave it up to how the game goes. If there's a reasonable chance at escape, go for it if not, welp

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I was thinking of keeping like a hallway open and telling them to fucking run

And see how it goes

[lament shoal]

They do that in rogue trader lol

[near wasp]

Make the Marine offer them salvation for making it this far and that souls as strong as them shouldn't die a pointless death

I'd they run or fight the dice shall choose there fate

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that would be an option also

[near wasp]

See if you can legit tempt them to chaos

https://tenor.com/view/john-waters-creep-corrupt-what-did-you-expect-gif-15970831

[opaque coyote]

I imagine if one accepts, they'll actually get escorted out and left alive

And maybe appear later if I do a long form one

[near wasp]

Pov future daemonhost

[opaque coyote]

Probably, but honestly, I'm thinking of the SM actually being a rare breed.

He actually follows through on his words

[near wasp]

You know what that's better. Because why would he have to lie or cheat he's just spreading the truth

Sure its corrupting and terrible but it's the truth

[wintry scarab]

Off topic random little rant for halo nerds: While playing helldivers, ive had 3 arguments now with people telling me that the sidearm in ODST is not a magnum. Only for the argument to devolve into them telling me that it isnt a magnum and is instead a "varient" of the magnum. THAT STILL MAKES IT A MAGNUM!? NO!? Am i right, or am i right?

Both these guns also fire the exact same ammunition!

[opaque coyote]

I think Spartans canonically have a bigger version

With a higher caliber

Both are still a magnum though

[wintry scarab]

Nope! In Halo CE master chief had his pinky outside the finger guard because spartan hands are too big. They use the standard issue ones.

[spare osprey]

So first day of moving

May

Have

Splurged

There are emp children and possessed aswell

[spare osprey]

It’s a variant, so still a magnum

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/my-condolences-im-sorry-for-your-lost-sympathy-deepest-condolence-my-deepest-sympathy-gif-17339817

[spare osprey]

I’ve got a halo encyclopedia with in universe lore I could totally look at it later

They go like in depth on what master chiefs armor is made out of

And gun specs

[languid meadow]

the M6C/SOCOM is a magnum variant that shoots M225 12.7x40mm semi-armor-piercing high-explosive rounds, which is the same caliber as the normal magnum. But yes they're the same gun just the M6C is integrally suppressed.

[opaque coyote]

Apparently the M6D, the variant in Halo 1, uses explosive ammo while the M6C doesn't.

That's

Basically it beyond looks

No

No wait

Ngm

They're the same

Feels different because it just

Fucking sucks in Halo 2

[wintry scarab]

What the hell? The magnum shoots explosive rounds?! I never knew that lol

[opaque coyote]

Apparently both the C and D are up sized compared to the originals

Although the original A and B variants are only used with civilian security now

[wintry scarab]

Also imo the magnum sucks in most halos lol. Besides CE. Same with the AR

Feel wise. Not actual performance

[opaque coyote]

So the C, D, etc. was actually upsized for mjolnir and military

[spare osprey]

CE is defo the best, I did enjoy it in reach tho

[storm jungle]

I mean

mos tof the games are literally before most people on this server were born

[opaque coyote]

Assault rifle is fine in 3.

[storm jungle]

so the "feel" being not grea tis not really that weird

[spare osprey]

And then we didn’t get it in infinite lmao

[opaque coyote]

I think 3 had the best feeling for the AR

[spare osprey]

You know

Screw all shooter halo games

Halo wars is where the franchise should go

Who’s with me

[opaque coyote]

Surprisingly enough, Infinite nailed the gunplay

[arctic talon]

I want Halo Wars 3

[opaque coyote]

...

[languid meadow]

forgetting that Halo CE came out in 2001

fuck

[opaque coyote]

Too bad Infinite had many other problems

[wintry scarab]

Wait, so are you saying that spartans did use upscaled models?

[spare osprey]

Oh infinite plays fantastic

[arctic talon]

yes

[languid meadow]

still older than 2 at least

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

But also the officers as well

[arctic talon]

CE has the best feeling Magnum, and Shotgun

It’s not even close lol

All other games pale

[spare osprey]

WOE CURSED HALO BLUNDERBUSS

[arctic talon]

Halo 3’s magnum is awful

Halo reach’s is tolerable

[opaque coyote]

Infinite comes close with it's pistol honestly. It does genuinely feel good

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/throwable-hog-stfu-cursed-halo-infernoplus-halo-gif-12319373437556061615

[opaque coyote]

Too bad it isn't the magnum

[arctic talon]

The sidekick is the sidekick

[spare osprey]

I liked that one rifle they added

[arctic talon]

I thought it was gona be the thanos gif and I was terrified

For a moment

[wintry scarab]

Booo! Infinite mentioned

[arctic talon]

Commando is cool

lol

[spare osprey]

That’s the one

I’ll always be a dmr supremacist tho

[arctic talon]

Ngl

Why is the AR ass in almost all the bungie games

[opaque coyote]

Infinite has many flaws

But the base gameplay and feel is definitely not one of them

[arctic talon]

It’s literally only good in CE and reach

[spare osprey]

It actually looks really really good in helldivers

[arctic talon]

It skips 2 but the smg is also meh as fuck

[wintry scarab]

Yeah, fair enough. Its a bit jank but good overall

[spare osprey]

Like it actually shoots the ammo it’s said to

[arctic talon]

Funny

[opaque coyote]

2's pistol is probably the worst

[arctic talon]

The AR in reach is my favorite Bungo AR

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Halo 2's balance in general sucks ass

[arctic talon]

2’s pistol is fine for what it’s trying to be

[wintry scarab]

It sounds really good in helldivers as well

[arctic talon]

Except I hate what it’s trying to be

[opaque coyote]

But the pistol just sucks

[arctic talon]

2’s sandbox balance is

Prolly the worst of any Halo

[opaque coyote]

At least the SMGs are fun to dual wield

[opaque coyote]

Especially if you go for the higher difficulties

[arctic talon]

The shotgun in 2 is so sad

lol

Saddest Halo shotgun ever

Yes I am including the shitty infinite one

[opaque coyote]

I LOVE THE NOOB COMBO BEING THE ONLY VIABLE STRATEGY FOR LEGENDARY

[arctic talon]

That one genuinely feels better

[arctic talon]

Tbf 2 was designed for having cover

And leaning for a lot of the maps

The game went through a nightmare of a dev cycle

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's held together via duct tape and dreams

[arctic talon]

Me when CRUNCH

[wintry scarab]

Yet 2 imo has the best story of all the halos

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

Because they didn’t rewrite the story at all

The story for Halo 2 was the story for Halo 2 till they had to cut the ending 1/3rd

[opaque coyote]

Also, although the anniversary edition actually looks great graphically

[arctic talon]

And then they shoved it into 3

[opaque coyote]

Why didn't they rebalance

Anything

[arctic talon]

Cause it’s a remaster

Not a remake

Well it’s a remake in terms of technical terms

But it’s meant to just be a remaster

[opaque coyote]

I know but they could at least nerf the fucking sniper jackals

[arctic talon]

It’s using the Halo 4 engine and everything partially

[opaque coyote]

I doubt anybody would cry about it

[arctic talon]

And running in parallel with the Halo 2 one

It’s actually super cool

[wintry scarab]

I think that halo 2 anniversary is the best thing that 343 ever did. Besides the h2a multiplayer that is.

[opaque coyote]

I do admit that it is very impressive

[arctic talon]

MC collection is good imo

[opaque coyote]

After they spent like 3 years fixing it

[arctic talon]

The idea was sound

💀

[opaque coyote]

But it is pretty good now

[wintry scarab]

MC right before infinite came out was prime modern halo imo. having new stuff in old halos was so good. And then infinite came out lol

[arctic talon]

Infinite is like

Idk

It’s so close to actually being decent lol

[opaque coyote]

I know Halo 5 sucks ass, but I still found it weird that they never added it to MC collection honestly

[arctic talon]

Halo 5 is a bad Halo game

[spare osprey]

The micro transactions and the horrid launch just fucked it

[arctic talon]

But it’s not a bad game

[opaque coyote]

Single player is fun.

Empty at times.

[arctic talon]

Is the best way to like describe 5

[opaque coyote]

But genuinely fun

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[wintry scarab]

Thats literally what i always say

[arctic talon]

The game is like literally well designed and good

Except it’s not halo

[spare osprey]

I remember halo 5

[arctic talon]

And I like mobility shooters a ton lol

Like the deranged stuff

[wintry scarab]

Its super high quality. Especially when compared to infinite.

[opaque coyote]

Except for the Warden Eternal

[arctic talon]

Quake

[spare osprey]

I joined a call once during a recruitment server cause I was fucking with them

[arctic talon]

I like Quake

[spare osprey]

And it was a bunch of Irish children who called me a fat hog

[arctic talon]

Infinite went through a development process as hellish as Halo 2 from what we know lol

[spare osprey]

It still hurts

[opaque coyote]

I liked shit like the Mecha Grunt

[arctic talon]

Which is hilarious

Because how tf did that happen

Why the fuck were they replacing almost the whole team

Every couple of months

[opaque coyote]

I swear Halo has a development curse.

[arctic talon]

Halo 5’s weapon sandbox was pretty neat and I like the comically large amount of options in it. Ignore the horrid balancing lol

[wintry scarab]

I would have no issue with them putting out a shitty game. I just hate how theyve made - effort to rebuild their rep and instead just want to squeeze the remains of halos community for their last pennies.

[opaque coyote]

Having the chain gun actually be a weapon that can be reloaded and shit was fun

[arctic talon]

343 and bungie are both awful at time management lol

[opaque coyote]

I have to admit

[arctic talon]

They’ve tried, not gona call it a good job because it’s not 💀

lol

[opaque coyote]

And the worst part is that it literally isn't the dev's fault.

It's purely management.

[spare osprey]

What yall know about the halo novels bro

[arctic talon]

I like the new banished shotgun

[arctic talon]

I’ve read like the forerunner stuff, ghosts of onyx and that’s it

lol

[spare osprey]

Bro the opening quadrilogy

Is so fucking peak

[arctic talon]

I should read it I’d assume?

[opaque coyote]

It's a classic case of "PLEASE JUST LET US ACTUALLY WORK ON THE GAME-"

"no. add more skins."

[wintry scarab]

£100 to recreate my reach spartan. Thats just nuts and unnaceptable. Also when corsscore helmets came out, all bundle prices were raised because of the new "added value". 343I literally has horns growing out their head.

[spare osprey]

1000%, it covers halo reach, halo CE and then into halo 2

[arctic talon]

Again I never said the monetization in infinite was a good thing, it’s god awful lol

[wintry scarab]

Youre probably right but im sure some of the devs also didnt help.

[arctic talon]

I mean the devs got almost 0 funding

Like explicitly

[spare osprey]

The Flood is halo CE basically just from different perspectives

[opaque coyote]

They probably would help if they didn't get swapped out every month or so

[arctic talon]

Wait I’ve read them out of order

Fuck

💀

[wintry scarab]

lol

[arctic talon]

Look that was only during development

They just fired like 50% of the team

Instead

[opaque coyote]

💀

[arctic talon]

Anyways the next Halo game might crash and burn

Who knows

I want Halo Wars 3

[spare osprey]

Can’t be worse than how I played wolfenstein ngl

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

If it does

[arctic talon]

Did you start with Youngblood and go backwards lol?

Or did you do like

[opaque coyote]

I would be partially relieved

[spare osprey]

That ship battle concept art was dope

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Because then Halo can finally rest

Would prefer a good game though

But still

[arctic talon]

Never

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

lol

[spare osprey]

[arctic talon]

Microsoft will not let the cash cow die

[arctic talon]

Holy shit

Lmao

[spare osprey]

Yeaaaaah

[opaque coyote]

I mean

If it releases such a shit game that nobody plays it

[wintry scarab]

Nope. Calling it now. they will show some trailer and all their misdeeds will be forgotten, only for the halo cycle to continue once more. Calling it now!

[opaque coyote]

Then the cash cow is no longer a cash cow

[arctic talon]

I said might

Maybe it’ll actually be goood

(Probably not)

[opaque coyote]

Again I hope so

But I have

0 expectations

[wintry scarab]

Dont even entertain the idea lol

[arctic talon]

I’m not

[near wasp]

Who knows maybe studios are starting to wake up to the reality of modern gaming and might start making good games again

[arctic talon]

lol

[opaque coyote]

I mean Halo Infinite clearly had a ton of care and love in it's designs and such

[arctic talon]

There’s plenty of good games rn

For the genres I like

[near wasp]

I've been playing vampire the masquerade recently

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, the video game industry in general has had a lot of flops throughout its history

[wintry scarab]

Its a gold ring stuck under a mountain of shit. Its hard to focus on the gold ring imo.

[opaque coyote]

The only reason why it's noticable now is due to them costing millions of fucking dollars

[arctic talon]

In the grim dark future of the 41st millennium, there is only Linux

[opaque coyote]

Vs some shitty tie in game that you can ignore

Basically there were always a lot of bad video games.

But they never were huge to begin with

[near wasp]

Infinite wasn't even that bad imo

I played on legendary tho

[opaque coyote]

I think they nailed the single player aspect. Hell the bosses aren't actually bad either.

[arctic talon]

I mean gameplay wise yeah infinite was completely fine lol

[opaque coyote]

Which is shocking since well

[arctic talon]

It has a lot of other issues

Though

[wintry scarab]

All im saying is: "Zeus! Give the rights to Halo to literally any other fucking studio! And my life is yours!"

[near wasp]

Fuck the first brute boss he's an ass

[opaque coyote]

Halo always struggled with bosses

[arctic talon]

That shouldn’t be ignored

[opaque coyote]

Monkey paw curls

[arctic talon]

Wdym Halo studios is brand new 💀

(Kill me now)

[opaque coyote]

Halo is now owned by Ubisoft

[near wasp]

Ubisoft buys it

Dammit

[spare osprey]

GIVE HALO TO KOJIMA

[wintry scarab]

The words "Halo studios" just made a vain pop out in my forehead.

[spare osprey]

it’d be funny

[opaque coyote]

Ah hell yeah, The Weapon with only a bikini

Finally

[arctic talon]

3 minute long segment of chief climbing a ladder

[opaque coyote]

A lady in my head that calls stud muffin

[arctic talon]

actually just make it a grav lift

[opaque coyote]

What a thrill...

[lament shoal]

PERFECTLY SCANNED FEMALE SPARTAN FEET

[near wasp]

Cease

[lament shoal]

[opaque coyote]

I would say an overly complicated story

But Halo 4 already did that

Seriously if you never read the novels

You would get like only 30% of it tbh

[arctic talon]

343 also like

Bitched out of committing to a plot

2 times in a row

JUST FUCKING DO IT

[opaque coyote]

Halo 4 genuinely had a really good ending

Like for a moment I forgot about the jank and shit

[opaque coyote]

And felt sadness for Chief basically losing his best friend

Like that scene where he looked up to Earth

He probably fully expected and wanted to die

[spare osprey]

I like 4’s comics

It actually has uh

[opaque coyote]

...

And then Halo 5 ruined it

[lament shoal]

Hey man, Kojima likes feet lmfao

[spare osprey]

Halo 3 designs in it

Like the covenant used both looks

And they elaborated that the new jackals were a subspecies

[wintry scarab]

Halo 4 had one outstanding element. If you know, you know.

[storm jungle]

Goontana 💀

[spare osprey]

OH and it had a story line about the brutes and the arbiter making a treaty

[arctic talon]

Also the banished in infinite look like shit

[spare osprey]

That was cool

[arctic talon]

Everything looks worse

[spare osprey]

THANK YOU

Was gonna say

[arctic talon]

Then their Halo wars 2 design

They don’t look like the banished

[spare osprey]

Like they destroyed the aesthetic for no reason

[arctic talon]

They look like the some generic remnant called the Blades of Regrets Left Chin sack

[wintry scarab]

YES! Thank you! Most people like them, and imo, like their artsyle is just kinda ass

[spare osprey]

And “killing” atriox was fucking stupid

[arctic talon]

The banished lol extremely good in Halo wars 2 and artwork

[spare osprey]

Fuckin strips? Really

[wintry scarab]

This thing is ugly as fuck. Fight me

[arctic talon]

The whole scratched polished metal and stuff

Looks good

The infinite stuff looks too fucking

Shiny?

[spare osprey]

Mhm

Also not a fan that they had just random blue like the covenant

Like cmon man

Gimme red

[arctic talon]

The spirit in Halo wars 2 looks good

[spare osprey]

Atriox’s comic was so good too

Fuck halo man make your games as good as your books

[wintry scarab]

Eh. I know its the HW2 artstyle but im still not a big fan of how their stuff looks

[arctic talon]

The banished had a clearly defined aesthetic

And then 343 just

Ignored it?

[spare osprey]

They said some bull of like

How the dudes with atriox were his personal elite

So they’d be all red

Like cmon man

[arctic talon]

I am sure the literal mercenary elites with no loyalty to attriox beyond the paycheck were his personal elite

💀

[spare osprey]

Literally

[wintry scarab]

Thank you 343i. Very cool

[arctic talon]

Craig….

[arctic talon]

Literally every other depiction of them has them all in black/red/white/metallics universally

Why tf did they change that in infinite lol

Also it’s a game with brutes

But no spiker

[spare osprey]

Also weird thing, random atriox mentor

He never showed up before

I felt he was random

[arctic talon]

When the banished literally have a unique spiker design

[wintry scarab]

Also a bit off topic, but im sad the direction they went with the brute deignes after halo 2. Imo they just became more and more generic. The Halo 2 ones looked so unique imo. This artist did some renders a while back and i still think its some of the best brute designs ive seen.

[arctic talon]

It’s really weird how bungie just moved away from that look entirely tbh

But the Halo 2 brutes are really good looking

[celest dome]

I quite like the Brute from the rts game

[wintry scarab]

Yeah, this was form Halo wars 1 and i thought it was really cool as a kid.

Wait, is that the one from hw2? i dont know lol

No, its the one im thinkin of. nvm

[arctic talon]

Yeah that dude is halo wars 1

The warlord in halo wars 2 has no beard

They mostly have a Halo 3 esque design

[opaque coyote]

Halo wars 2 had awesome designs

Also

Scarabs would've definitely been good for Halo Infinite

Too bad again

Halo Infinite went through development hell

[arctic talon]

Banished scarab is cool

[opaque coyote]

But seriously it would've been cool if some outposts were banished scarabs

That you had to fight

And destroy

Those were one of the most fun parts of Halo 3 tbh

[wintry scarab]

One good thing that ill say about infinite though. The elite designs in infinite are by far my favourite. Like they are just perfect. Some of their armour is a bit meh though. But the sangheli themselves are cool as hell.

[arctic talon]

Oh they’re great

The actual individual designs of the infinite enemies are great mostly imo

[wintry scarab]

I dont like the weird arms that they gave to the grunts.

[arctic talon]

it’s just not the banished

I like them tbh

[opaque coyote]

Again, the devs clearly cared. They actually followed the enemy designs of Halo 1, 2, and 3

[arctic talon]

Helps make them look

[opaque coyote]

While giving their own spin

[arctic talon]

Weirder

[wintry scarab]

Maybe its nostalgia for me, but i liked it when the grunts looked sort of like jagged rocks.

[arctic talon]

Ah

I like the more

Idk

The new texture more?

[wintry scarab]

Also offtopic again but cheif is my favourite design in infinite. (Even though it is just a copy of the legends one lol)

[arctic talon]

I like the halo 3 design the most still tbh

[wintry scarab]

Im about to say a crime, but i dont like the CE baby look for cheif lol

I know people loved this when it came to infinite (for £25 btw), but i just think it looks kinda goofy. Besides the helmet. I like the mk5 helmet.

[crystal forum]

paintball mask type helmet

[spring cairn]

i am master chef

i ride motocross

[storm jungle]

no

[spring cairn]

very loudly in my street at 3am

like fuck off

[storm jungle]

you ride the motorcross

you should be the one being silent

🗣️

[spring cairn]

i don't

i was complaining about the cunt doing so every night

the maestro helmet triggered my ptsd

[storm jungle]

skill issue

next

📣

[spring cairn]

i paid him 5 euros, he's heading for ur house now

🖕

[near wasp]

The hell is going on here

[rocky gale]

Can't believe we're going to get a surprise Drukhari reveal tonight at the NOVA open

[near wasp]

Lol

[rocky gale]

It's happening guys

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-cat-mocking-gif-13935821400850516732

[rocky gale]

Trust

[arctic talon]

We’re gona overdose at this rate

Ima be real with ya

[near wasp]

Ok ok it's time to take your meds

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/ted-lasso-afc-richmond-believe-gif-22969950

[spring cairn]

deldar fans taking the mantle left by skongers

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[arctic talon]

Deldar and Grey knight fans get to be mentally insane

For the rest of this edition

And next until they get their refresh

lol

[spring cairn]

so forever

[arctic talon]

Nah

They’re the only 2 armies left

So GW will do it

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but if Fatshark wanted to add a t'au to Darktide, is there anyway they actually could?

[near wasp]

Grey knights fans are all digging there own graves rn

[nocturne crest]

Like, the warp taking a t'au ship and spitting it out over Atoma?

[near wasp]

Inquistor would just order the Tau ship to be destroyed

[paper haven]

You know what, I believe it is going to happen

[nocturne crest]

Wouldn't use them as cannon fodder in order save the imperium's resources?

[near wasp]

Because they are xenos and aren't to be trusted to exist

[nocturne crest]

True.

[near wasp]

Also Tau would just be a blue vet

[languid meadow]

legit all the alien designs but the Jiralhanae are peak

even the endless

I like them a lot

they give me synthetic being vibes

[wintry scarab]

I sadly do not share the same opinion. Maybe id think differently if the story of infinite was good, but so far, i am not the biggest fan of them.

[languid meadow]

I don't care about their story stuff

I just like their design only but yeah they could've been cool

but womp womp we killed cortana off screen and had Atriox be hidden

[wintry scarab]

But heres something that i did like about infinite. The hunter sounds. Scary as fuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_dFfWngj38

And iirc, a lot of the loud roars would only start to play once one of the bond brothers was killed

[languid meadow]

I think Hunters have never been done wrong in any of the games?

maybe CE

since they're pushovers

one of the few species to be generally consistent in every appearance

[spare osprey]

HALO LEGENDS MENTIONED

SPARTAN 1337 MY FUCKING GOAT

https://tenor.com/view/tjarkmanak-gif-18118324

[wintry scarab]

My mom pirated it for me when i was like 6, and my i remember being so blown away that my favourite videogame has a whole obscure, confusing and very weird movie about it. I loved it.

[spare osprey]

Mhmmm

I used to get it from my local library

It and halo wars 1 and halo 4

Halo wars was actually my first halo game