40k-lore-chat

[summer mural]

Not if you were accurate

[rocky gale]

I think you underestimate how hard it would be to throw a halberd effectively

[summer mural]

Excuses

You can hit a person square in eye with that if you just, pratice.

[celest dome]

But you shoudln't

It would be quite difficult to throw it well

[rocky gale]

I found a video of a guy doing it, but like not more than 10ft and he's been training with weapons his whole life

[winged jacinth]

First farming faction in tabletop
Tractor and bailer vehicles coming next

[rocky gale]

How could I be so foolish to overlook the faction which uses repurposed imperial tools as weapons, it's Genestealer Cults

[winged jacinth]

Throwing a halberd at someone is really easy you just can't expect to stick them with a sharp part

[arctic talon]

It’s prolly AoS or whfb

I think it’s night haunt

[rocky gale]

That sickle is going to be a better anti vehicle weapon than Sororitas Melta

[arctic talon]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/r8cdyjiv/a-massive-warcry-update-paves-the-way-for-the-helsmiths-of-hashut/

WARCRY IS REAAAAAL

[rocky gale]

Na, too clean and they just got a sickle wielding unit that looks completely different

[summer mural]

the legend

[arctic talon]

Good point

Hm

Who tf else uses sickles in AoS

Cities of sigmar?

[summer mural]

does it have to be aos

its probably a necromancer of some kind

or trotsky

[rocky gale]

Possibly but I'm starting to think Daughters of Khaine is most likely

[rose thorn]

I LMOW WE AHVE BEEN FREAKINH OUT ON THE AOS DISCORD

[rocky gale]

Sickles are pretty connected with Druids

[summer mural]

also farmers

reapers

[rocky gale]

So maybe some sort of Shaman or druid priest

[rose thorn]

Oh a new space marine

[rocky gale]

Reapers have Scythes, not sickles

[arctic talon]

Black library mini

Ngl I don’t like his pose that much

[rocky gale]

Yea it leaked a couple days ago

[arctic talon]

The one on the book cover is way better

[summer mural]

another ultramarine 🧶

[arctic talon]

Where he’s got the flag

[rose thorn]

Yeah lmao

[arctic talon]

Like his mini isn’t bad it’s just

Idk could have done more with the posing

[rocky gale]

I like it, it's got some character

[summer mural]

i dont dislike the mini, just the choice of character

it looks fine

the new alaitoc spiritseer is an eyecatcher though

at least i think its a spiritseer

[arctic talon]

It’s Iyanden

Fake fan, go my eldar fans kill Drifter/j

Shame it’s warhammer+

[rocky gale]

That's a pretty big blunder

[summer mural]

'fan'

[arctic talon]

But whatever

Might be worth the sub for me

lol

and I can pirate the shit out of warhammer+

[summer mural]

couldve been worse, I was gonna say its an alaitoc warlock

eldar fans ought to be grateful Ik what a spiritseer is

[arctic talon]

LOL

[rocky gale]

and you should be grateful I answer your lore questions instead of turning you into a chair

[summer mural]

on that topic

i was looking through ork army units

[arctic talon]

Kindest haemonculi

[summer mural]

for a lot of beefy stabby and shooty bois they got an absolute metric load of vehicles

[summer mural]

including what looks like RAF spitfires

and helicopters

[rocky gale]

Yea Orks have a ton of unit variety

[summer mural]

i think they might have a variant of every vehicle from every faction on some level or the other

[rocky gale]

and a lot of it is redundant tbh

[queen laurel]

yeah that's orks alright

[arctic talon]

Okay

So apparently the new marine dude

[summer mural]

all I can surmise is mekboyz must be really valuable and in high demand, since they can upgrade themselves to be like warboss sized

[arctic talon]

Is not a black library celebration mini

He is a normal black library mini

Whatever the fuck that means

[rocky gale]

Means he's not limited, he's sticking around like Uriel Ventris

[arctic talon]

Oh

[arctic talon]

I wish severina stuck around

Like I know she was resin

But her mini was good

[rocky gale]

She was Finecast but she was good

I'm so glad I purchased her when they brought her back on Made to Order

[arctic talon]

She funnily enough wasn’t finecast, she was GW’s new weird resin

That they barely used

[summer mural]

yeah tis nice

I think i didnt like the ard boyz model much

the rest are mostly good

kommandos are dope

[rocky gale]

Also means his rules probably won't be legends like Uriel Ventris isn't

What justice is there that this gets to stick around permanently with non-legends rules

While this is limited and gets Legends rules

[celest dome]

SM slop being the favourite of the 40k suits

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-chuck-charles-gif-26670840

[summer mural]

how do eldar manufacture their weapons

also they got pretty massive variety of weapons, considering you got normal units and you got each aspect shrine with its own set of weapons

[arctic talon]

Bonesinger weapon smiths do it

Specific weapon smiths exist who specialize in making specific weapons as well

[summer mural]

are their weapons made out of wraithbone

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

yes

[summer mural]

nice

[arctic talon]

I’d assume the metallics are wraithbone taking a different form

The only bits that are explicitly not wraith bone are the gemstones

Which the eldar just have a fuck ton of

[summer mural]

I should find a vid that shows me a map of a craftworld layout

like wheres the captains cabin on this thing

[rocky gale]

Here you go

[summer mural]

are eldar corsair forces made up from eldar of all 3 groups

or just ex craftworld eldar

[rocky gale]

Ex Craftworlder

[summer mural]

i didnt know they had an entire army list

[rocky gale]

Some keep falling and end up in Commorragh

[summer mural]

I thought they were like a killteam or something

[rocky gale]

They used to have more under Forgeworld, but now they're mostly just a Killteam

Time will tell though, there's been long standing rumours about them getting more units, the same way Krieg did

Krieg used to be Forgeworld, then they vanished, then they were a Killteam and now they're a full army in GW plastic

Same is apparently going to be true of Corsairs

[arctic talon]

It depends but mostly craftworlder

[summer mural]

When a Voidsman is assigned to their ship, there is no going back. From that day on they are part of the vessel. They take part in the ship's vital fluids in a solemn ceremony, drinking incense-laced oil so that the ships essence flows through their bloodstream

[arctic talon]

There can be drukhari present in a Corsair crew

Depending on the tolerance of the crew

[summer mural]

drukhari seem pretty much like corsairs already as a race

[arctic talon]

Yeah they’re pirates

[rocky gale]

Na Drukhari are worse

Typically

[summer mural]

worse sure

[arctic talon]

Corsairs don’t torture you for eternity(normally)

[rocky gale]

Corsairs still use Spirit stones and don't survive off of the suffering of others

[summer mural]

drukhari have some absolutely dope units though, like mandrakes look nice

[rocky gale]

They're like an inbetween of Drukhari and Craftworld

[arctic talon]

The void scarred killteam having drukhari options is something I appreciate GW doing tbh

[summer mural]

also mandrakes straight up being able to pop out of shadows and teleport around using them is kinda nice too

[arctic talon]

Since the old FW Corsair minis were all craftworld unless you wanted to do a lot of Kitbashing lol

Mandrakes live in a realm of shadow™

[summer mural]

do deldar just not have any spirit stones

[rocky gale]

They can't use them

[summer mural]

i imagine there were spirit stones back in the day in commoragh

[arctic talon]

Deldar are not compatible with spirit stones

[rocky gale]

You can't just pick up and use a Spirit Stone, you have to bond with it

[arctic talon]

They disintegrate if you try to bond with them

If you’re an awful person like the drukhari often are

[summer mural]

what about like early on though

around the fall

after it basically

[arctic talon]

Spirit stones didn’t exist yet

[rocky gale]

Yea they came after

[arctic talon]

And the eldar empire was like the drukhari already

So like

💀

[summer mural]

thats true ig

the craftworlders make an effort not to be like before

and the drukharii just lean into it

[rocky gale]

The Craftworlders were the people who'd fled the way the Empire was going

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Though some craftworlds did try to rescue people

[summer mural]

well they basically came to the planets a few times in a year right, so they could visibly see the empire turning to degeneracy

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Some hadn’t left yet and were waiting till like

The last moment lol

Because they wanted to try to convince people it was going to shit

[summer mural]

[storm jungle]

🫡

[summer mural]

boy, yvraine's had quite the adventurous life hasnt she

[rocky gale]

Yep

Warlock, Dancer, Corsair, Wych, Gladiator, Dead person, High Priestess of the God of Death.

She's done it all

[summer mural]

itd be great if guilliman "accidentally" kills her

[storm jungle]

[summer mural]

also i think shes fought every faction no

[storm jungle]

More or less-ish

[rocky gale]

Oh it's Happening

It's so happening

[storm jungle]

If its just the Malys reveal ill scream

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/believe-motivation-ted-lasso-jason-sudeikis-trendizisst-gif-3529704266728728998

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

Hellions and Cerates plunge on their preys. Who are your favourite hunters from the Warhammer universes

[summer mural]

why are they always infilitrating the garden of nurgle and not the brass citadel

[arctic talon]

Multi part archon as well

Apparently

[arctic talon]

Because isha

[rocky gale]

What's a Cerates?

[summer mural]

oh right

and whats a cerates

[storm jungle]

Now I KNOW that cannot be real

[summer mural]

i assume hellions are those unemployed deldar teenagers who like speeding

[arctic talon]

If it’s real I’m eating your mod role smh

[rocky gale]

I'm assuming it's a French word for Drukhari unit

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically uh

well actual hellions

a rowdy or mischievous person, especially a child.

[rocky gale]

I've already made a bet with a friend, if the Drukhari get revealed this week he's painting one of my models

[arctic talon]

Pretty much lol, but they’re somewhat closely tied to the wych cults

[summer mural]

[arctic talon]

They’re too young to be Kabalites or Wych’s yet

[rocky gale]

and if they don't I'm painting one of his

[arctic talon]

But they want to “make it big” so to speak

[storm jungle]

Yeah Hellion = Hooligan essentially

[summer mural]

yeah arent they like lower class criminals basically

[storm jungle]

Basically yeah

they are like cyberpunk criminals with jeyboards

[summer mural]

and theres two more criminal tiers above them

[storm jungle]

theres no "tiers" persay

[summer mural]

yeah just different gangs

[storm jungle]

they are like a cultural group that just heavily rely on jetboards

basically yeah

[summer mural]

i think lord hellion has a model though right

[storm jungle]

Nope

dark eldar dont have privelage like that

[summer mural]

lord hellion? king hellion? hellion prime? i forgot his name

[summer mural]

vect

[storm jungle]

Not even him

[summer mural]

yeah hes the worst offender

[storm jungle]

he hasnt had a model update since like

[summer mural]

his model is terrible

[storm jungle]

3rd edition???

yeah its from like actually 30 years ago

its crazy

[arctic talon]

Vect had an awful 3e mini

And then it got killed in 6e

Now granted for the time his mini came out it was insanely good

[rose thorn]

new book or is this battletome art- codex art

[queen laurel]

There is only one choice and it is the Chad Mozrog Skragbad

[arctic talon]

It’s old codex art

It’s from the 9e codex

[rose thorn]

ah nvm then

[summer mural]

my fav hunter is Shalaxi Helbane

[rose thorn]

the only real answer

[summer mural]

that looks like a kroot

[rose thorn]

it

is a kroot

[summer mural]

i see

[queen laurel]

that is kroot

[rose thorn]

i love kroots

[summer mural]

i dunno, i got so tired about reading about the battlesuits I didnt get into kroot units yet

[queen laurel]

bro are you alright?

[rose thorn]

kroots are the coolest thing in 40k

i loev space cowboys

[summer mural]

ik they have the adaptation of what they eat thingie

also krootox is dope

especially rampaging krootox

[storm jungle]

Accurate.

Tau are basically suppose to be like the Covenant from Halo army -wise

but all you get is battlesuits

because they are more marketable lol

[summer mural]

I like the rampaging krootox minis, mostly because i like how it kinda captured the krootox actually moving and rampaging vibe in a stationary mini

[arctic talon]

Battle suits are cool tho

I want both

[queen laurel]

Name a tau auxiliary that is not kroot or vespids

[arctic talon]

I want tau to have a space marine sized fucking codex

lol

[summer mural]

not more battlesuits

please

MAKE IT STOP

especially since that one tank driving ace, longshot?? got his own experimental battlesuit

[arctic talon]

I like battlesuits

[summer mural]

[arctic talon]

I also like tau auxilleries

I want both smh

[queen laurel]

i want something besides primal zerg on a budget and highly developed insects with dangerous guns

kroot are cool simple vespid but it's always those two

[summer mural]

also, farsight is a very cool character

I love the khorne thing they got him going off on

[arctic talon]

Khorne: “you should kill your friends”

[summer mural]

and the fact that he doesnt like ethereals

[arctic talon]

Well

He’s fine with them as a race

He hates the caste

[summer mural]

also, I actually do really like how they killed aunva via culexus and now hes a proxy ai hologram

[queen laurel]

well if they do stuff like this i can kind of see why he doesn't like them

[arctic talon]

Engram Aun’va being an even bigger dick

Is the funniest shit ever

[queen laurel]

Like really

[arctic talon]

lol

[queen laurel]

Communication headset my ass

that thing is a mind control device

[arctic talon]

It’s unclear

lol

It’s left ambiguous intentionally

But the ones the normal vespids wear aren’t mind control seemingly

[summer mural]

yeah, I hope gw isnt just gonna tease ethereals hiding stuff forever like some its " obvious but not confirmed theory" and just cement something

[arctic talon]

Well they’ve got plenty of revealed stuff

Along with just normal evil deep state government stuff

[summer mural]

i can appreciate ambiguity with things like uhh

the yellow king

[celest dome]

I've seen your hunters, and I raise you this one

[summer mural]

those are some nice feathers

on the top of his hat

[arctic talon]

We still don’t know if puretide was murdered

Or if he just died of whatever disease he had

[summer mural]

also the 8 are a pretty cool idea

[arctic talon]

Well it’s more like the 6 now

Considering 1 of them died and another got crippled

[summer mural]

in that instead of them being generic tau fire cast superboys they have their own band of outsiders thing going on

[queen laurel]

That's my pick for the sci-fi department here's my pick for the fantasy department

[rose thorn]

Amazing model, I’d love to use him for order of azyr

[vagrant fox]

I'm telling you it's REAL

[storm jungle]

SHUT UP!

[rocky gale]

What's real?

[vagrant fox]

They're 100% definitely going to do a Black Crusade game based on that little bit in the In a Nutshell video

otherwise I'll ban Dilara

[celest dome]

At least it's not Only War, that isn't one that would work for OC

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[urban spire]

only war was cool

unwilling to call it good, but cool

[celest dome]

It is cool

And I quite like it

But it's not really suited for a OC game, nor is it for a tide game either imo

[urban spire]

what is an OC game exactly

oh owlcat?

[languid meadow]

I think it could work in a game style like XCom or Aliens Dark Descent

but past that?

[celest dome]

Absolutely

[summer mural]

xcom mentioned, i have arrived

[languid meadow]

ehhhhhh

[summer mural]

also, did the tau in the of the exodite end up in....commorragh

[urban spire]

check out the rosigma mod for openxcom

it's really fucking good

[urban spire]

at least, if you can tolerate the original xcom graphics

[languid meadow]

I will give it a look after this game

[urban spire]

anyway idk i think the military context is either underused or misused in videogames

often*

[celest dome]

Missused, sure

Underused

ehhh

debatable

the military are still some of the most frequent topic for video games

[urban spire]

to clarify: misused when it is used, and interesting implementations are underused

i've had fucking brain fog for a couple days now i have to warm up every time i try to talk to someone

obviously there are fucking oceans of linear military shooters

[summer mural]

this warsmith mini is cool

its growing on me

[rocky gale]

That'll be the daemonic influence, I'd have the growth removed as quickly as possible

[celest dome]

I like the hammer

[summer mural]

i like the arm on top

[shadow plover]

THE CLAW

[summer mural]

also,the ending of the exodite was incredibly whiplash inducing

but it had a death jester, which redeems everything for me

[arctic talon]

Honk honk

[rose thorn]

Oh yeha isnt there 2 versions of this model that’s the same thing in different poses

[opaque coyote]

Literally me the first time I encountered one

I'm sorry to that random ass team I doomed like a year ago

[arctic talon]

Yeah but one is warhammer world only

[celest dome]

You even look like that person (pfp at least)

[rocky gale]

Our Cadian girlfailure

[winter vessel]

i remember doing a very slow turn to a zealot when they decided to throw a knife to aggro the D host.

[median star]

i may be evil

[storm jungle]

gay

[urban spire]

huh?

[nocturne crest]

Dumb idea for a KT: Human Necron cultists vs Human Eldar cultists.

[median star]

it will get worse

something something suffer not the xeno

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[celest dome]

Unepic_cole casually sending crotch-shots

[median star]

glad thats the first thing your eyes gravitated towards

[arctic talon]

Why tho smh

[celest dome]

Cause the Xenos deserve nothing and the human slop need to grow

[median star]

TRUE

[spare osprey]

JUST GIVE ME A FUCKING FALLEN KILLTEAM

[opaque coyote]

Different character.

It is sayori from deedeelcee

[opaque coyote]

The Cadian Girlfailure

...

Who somehow killed a CSM

Truly captures the spirit of Cadia

[nocturne crest]

INB4 The Fallen not longer exist.

[spare osprey]

[arctic talon]

Next season

[opaque coyote]

I accidentally shot one out of panic at least two times

[nocturne crest]

Alternatively, it's just some cultists and two Fallen marines

[arctic talon]

We already got a CSM and SM team this season

Which is a rarity lol

Also you can do a fallen team pretty easily with angels of death/legionaries tbh

Depending on how chaosy you want them

[spare osprey]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

A specific team would be nice

But I hate subfaction specific teams

COUGH COUGH NEMESIS CLAW

I give deathwatch a pass only because the system is named after them

[median star]

me when scout marines

[spare osprey]

Tbf haven’t we already been shown two kill teams for next season?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

We’ve got 2 of the 3 or 4 sets

[spare osprey]

The raptors and sisters

[celest dome]

There are a couple of Kill Team concepts that I would love to see.
For the Imperium: Adeptus Astra Telepathica; Navigator Dynasty
For Chaos: Deamons (I swear there were some, like a Plaguebearer with a cauldron in its guts)

[arctic talon]

We dunno if it’s a 3 set season or 4 set season

[arctic talon]

The Dameon one is a Underworld one

[nocturne crest]

Would a Fallen KT mean the other side would have to be Dark Angels?

[arctic talon]

No

[spare osprey]

See I would prefer not

[celest dome]

oh right

[nocturne crest]

Ravenwing KT?

[arctic talon]

Does an arbite killteam mean the otherside needs to be criminals

[nocturne crest]

True.

[arctic talon]

(The answer is no we got Kabalites lol)

[spare osprey]

Fallen vs Zoats, let me live my dream of KILLING THOSE BASTARDS

[arctic talon]

lol

[celest dome]

Or Tithe

[nocturne crest]

Have we had a chaos vs chaos kill team yet?

[celest dome]

No

Neither for fantasy iirc

[arctic talon]

No but GW tries not to double up on factions

For boxes

[celest dome]

Think Mordheim had something like that happen

[arctic talon]

Yeah but not as a box set

[nocturne crest]

Maybe they could do a Red Butchers vs Daemonettes

[arctic talon]

Watch the next box be Harlequins vs dark eldar or some shit

[celest dome]

Were they all individual sales ?

[arctic talon]

And I eat crow

[arctic talon]

For warcry yeah for the chaos teams, they never get bundled for mordheim no it was never chaos vs chaos box

[median star]

fried or boiled

[celest dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPzshUIu_S0&pp=ygUydG90YWwgd2FyIHdhcmhhbW1lciAyIGRhcmsgZWx2ZXMgdnMgaGlnaCBlbHZlcyBkbGM%3D

[arctic talon]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

I’d prefer fried

But boiled is fine

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if KT will allow vehicle units in the future.

[arctic talon]

Fuck no

Never

lol

Vehicles in skirmish scale always go horribly wrong

[nocturne crest]

Like, Sonic Dreadnought vs Berzerker Dreadnought

[arctic talon]

Terminators I don’t want to see in Killteam either after the clusterfuck that was 8e killteam’s ending

[spare osprey]

Yeah we’re sticking with fragments of gods for now

[celest dome]

The only way I could see a vehicle would be like the Necron shard for this season

[arctic talon]

At least as an entire team

[arctic talon]

Not an operative

It’s an NPO boss fight

For the pve gamemode

[nocturne crest]

Miniature Dreadnoughts.

[spare osprey]

Ik lol

How does that work btw?

[nocturne crest]

1/2 scale dreadnoughts

[median star]

invictor suits

[spare osprey]

Does someone roll for the npc’s

[arctic talon]

Yeah someone rolls for the NPCs can either be a third player as a GM or the two Allie’s teams

[spare osprey]

Interesting

[arctic talon]

The enemies have a “brain” on their sheets so to speak

That pre programs their options as an operative

For example a sniper NPO always targets the lowest health target

And will always reposition away from enemies

But a brawler NPO always closes the distance to the nearest target

[nocturne crest]

Just imagine those servitors from Necromunda, but chaos-y

[celest dome]

Slave Ogryns ?

[arctic talon]

They’re talking about the

Enforcer automata I think

I could be wrong

[nocturne crest]

Yes.

[celest dome]

Sanctionner Pattern Automata

[celest dome]

I want to fight one in Darktide

https://tenor.com/view/moris-dog-gif-25855809

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough they’re not even automata

[nocturne crest]

Just make them a bit more Khrone-y by adding swords, saws and guns

[arctic talon]

The naming convention is just for intimidation I’d assume

[rose thorn]

ah

[nocturne crest]

Just picture them as Temu Dreadnoughts.

[celest dome]

Isn't Automatta also used for the 30k not-Dreadnought that the Admech use ?

Thallax or Ursarax

[arctic talon]

No

No automata keyword and those are both Ordo reductor units

Which automatically makes them not Cybernetica

[celest dome]

What else use Automata then

Does the Ambot

Ambot are the same sort of thing I guess

[nocturne crest]

Hell, somewhat off topic, but you could just do what the Skaven did and put a chaos lord's brain into an Orygns body.

[arctic talon]

Ambots are also not automata, the true condition for an automata is a cybernetica cortex

[nocturne crest]

A 40k's version of Ghoritch

[hallow saddle]

thats weird

are Castellax the only automata?

[arctic talon]

No

All the 30k and 40k units labeled automata under the legio Cybernetica

Are automata

[hallow saddle]

ah, okay

[arctic talon]

But an automata must have a Cybernetica cortex

[celest dome]

Annoyingly lexi list a lot of Servitor into the robot category

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Robot

[arctic talon]

Damnit

[celest dome]

Among which the Cyber Mastiffs, Sanctionner, Psyber pets...

[arctic talon]

Those are def not automata lmao

Those are just augmented dogs for the mastiffs

[rocky gale]

She's even got a super rare shade of the Cadian purple eyes, she surely is the best of Cadia

[median star]

do you think orks view cadians as eyeless

[arctic talon]

No

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/that70s-show-kitty-drinks-drinking-day-chill-gif-16669162

[cyan merlin]

Is there a lore reason to use comically oversized pauldrons or are scale-style joints a lost technology

[rocky gale]

To protect their shoulders

[storm jungle]

Deflecting oncomin fire

[cyan merlin]

That just makes me imagine terminator armor with treads for legs

[rocky gale]

I know this art isn't accurate to the minis, but with shoulder pads that big and his backpack the only way to shoot his head is from directly infront where he can also shoot back

[cyan merlin]

Or overpressure from explosives
Point being wear your damn helmet

[rocky gale]

Na, he'd win

[cyan merlin]

I’d say it also comes at the cost of situational awareness but I’m pretty sure auspex has that covered

[arctic talon]

there's no reason for marines to not wear helmets

lore wise lol

its for aura

[rocky gale]

Aura farming

[cyan merlin]

Intimidation matters
…Against, like, the tau, and that’s about it

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/boat-kid-aura-farming-pacu-jalur-indonesia-boat-race-aura-farming-kid-gif-13961136228978115920

[cyan merlin]

Man a majority of factions in warhammer are immune to being intimidated

[rocky gale]

Nuh uh

[storm jungle]

Not even the tau

me when sniper drone

[cyan merlin]

Tyranids, Necrons, Orks

[rocky gale]

Nope, nope and nope

[cyan merlin]

They can be intimidated?

[rocky gale]

Yes

[cyan merlin]

…How?

[rocky gale]

By intimidating them

[storm jungle]

Orks are understandable

Nids dont really feel fear unless its for cinematic effect

Necrons is like uhh when they realise they're probably about to explode

and its only the higher-ups

[cyan merlin]

The nids when sisters of silence

[storm jungle]

Thats not fear, thats just "ow my head"

Sisters mean jackshit when they get shot by fleshbore beetles

[celest dome]

Can't individual Tyr get overwhelmed ? If the Broodmind is broken

[storm jungle]

Thats not really fear either

thats going animalistic

and attacking things

[rocky gale]

Out of fear

[cyan merlin]

Yeah individual Tyranids but, not the hivemind
Severing the hivemind is, so far as I can tell, rare

Imagine having a pet gaunt

[storm jungle]

Nope

[storm jungle]

It'd kill you

you'd be like those dumbasses that try to own pet tigers lol

[rocky gale]

Nope

[storm jungle]

Yep.

Next.

[cyan merlin]

Was literally about to bring up tigers

[arctic talon]

Everyone breaks eventually

[rocky gale]

You can intimidate tigers

[arctic talon]

Everyone in 40k has a breaking limit

You just gotta hit that shit first

[storm jungle]

Yeah and still get mauled

They are wild animals

they arent your pets

[cyan merlin]

Bears too
And elephants
Humans keep a lot of things that will kill you as pets

[storm jungle]

Yeah because those people know the threat they face

[rocky gale]

Oh damn my bad it was Lions not Tigers

[storm jungle]

and arent dumbass media influencers usually

[rocky gale]

You can intimidate Lions

[arctic talon]

“They shall know no fear”

Is a lot more catchy then

They actually can feel fear and they have high tolerance to it but their response is muted and modified to not be as much of an issue so they can operate properly”

[storm jungle]

LMAO

also to quote

"We are space marines, we dont run!"

"WE DO FROM THIS"

[arctic talon]

This was from a marine player in the 40k discord

It’s funny as shit lol

When someone else was complaining about morale tests

[cyan merlin]

Gonna be honest this is the only 40k server I need

[rocky gale]

Yea every factions has morale tests, proving that every faction has morale

[arctic talon]

But yeah every faction has a breaking point except for nids and crons basically lol

But even then there’s other issues

[storm jungle]

tabletop =/= lore

[arctic talon]

That are similar to morale

[celest dome]

I'm in 3 warhammer discord and only 1 is 40k

[storm jungle]

remove yourself from this channel at once

[arctic talon]

Synapse stuff

Necron lords level of control over their underlings

Ect.

[rocky gale]

Lasguns can canonically only shoot 24 inches

[arctic talon]

Holy shit

[storm jungle]

Nope. Next 🗣️

[cyan merlin]

Yeah how are necrons going to feel intimidation
They don’t even know what’s in their hands much less whatever they’re fighting

[arctic talon]

Well the sentient ones can

And they can lose control of the squads under their command

Due to their morale issues

[rocky gale]

Checkmate

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

"Yes let's advance... backwards!"

[cyan merlin]

If I ever play the tabletop it’s going to be in tabletop3d (on steam) or with resin printed minis

[storm jungle]

good

you save money

[arctic talon]

It’s better for your wallet

lol

I would know

[opaque coyote]

Actually maybe I should do that

[arctic talon]

Anyone who complains about krieg having morale should be forced to read vraks

So they get the funny retreat scene

[opaque coyote]

That would solve like one of the three barriers I currently have at playing tabletop

[arctic talon]

Where they frag comissars lol

[opaque coyote]

I think people forget that the Imperium still has human beings

[cyan merlin]

I can spend 2k on that one tau airship and wait two weeks or I can spend like 60¢ on resin and wait a few hours

[arctic talon]

Everything can break eventually

[opaque coyote]

The propaganda affects us out of universe too

[storm jungle]

The Manta?

[arctic talon]

Don’t print a manta

lol

Your printer will beg for death

[storm jungle]

we were talking yesterday about how you can kill someone IRL with that model

[opaque coyote]

The Dark Eldar are expert demolitionists I swear

[arctic talon]

I’ve seen one manta irl

As part of a diorama lol

I’ve never seen one on the table

[storm jungle]

[cyan merlin]

Nobody wants to risk “That guy” getting it covered in mysterious hand fluid

[rocky gale]

Too expensive

Both in money and points

[celest dome]

AoS || 🏴‍☠️ ||

[arctic talon]

Fun fact it’s 13 KG heavy according to GW

[storm jungle]

Hmmm

[opaque coyote]

Actual throat slicer

[rose thorn]

How are tau armies organized? Like what is it you are playing in tabletop

[storm jungle]

So ive heard the Marines/Orks thing a lot so that has to be legit, AOS also sounds pretty accurate

[arctic talon]

You’re playing a Cadre of Tau

[arctic talon]

This seems accurate

[cyan merlin]

I should print an oversize one and mount a bat’leth to it

[celest dome]

No idea what hook ( ) they could use for an Undead Coastal army that isn't Vampire Coast

[arctic talon]

Based on other known leaks

[rose thorn]

Idk what that first part is referring to. But we just had a few events across most of the games relating to the coasts of AOS

That part like, no kidding AOS rotates between the 3 alliances

[arctic talon]

Rumor that stormcast are being replaced as poster child

Which is like

[rose thorn]

Ah, bullshit I see

[arctic talon]

99% likely to be Bullshit lol

[opaque coyote]

Sharpen the points

[arctic talon]

https://preview.redd.it/lg82c2ffkpj91.png?width=953&format=png&auto=webp&s=c76e43fa5bb6736bed90340c045a996ba90ae099

[celest dome]

Who would even replace them

[cyan merlin]

Y e s.

[rose thorn]

Thought I was looking at battletwch for a second

[arctic talon]

Cities of sugmar

LOL

[cyan merlin]

The very idea that something would ever overthrow the ultramarines is heretical

[arctic talon]

Stormcast aren’t UM

Smh

[rose thorn]

Stormcast are pretty cool tbh

[arctic talon]

Ngl if GW was truly creatively bankrupt they would have called them Order Warriors

Lmao

Since they’re just order chaos warriors

[rose thorn]

Next edition is probably the the vanguard refresh

[arctic talon]

Everything from that 4chan post though is like

[rose thorn]

Old world ass naming

[arctic talon]

Seems accurate

Based on existing leaks

And knowledge of how GW’s teams work

[rose thorn]

What leaks?

[arctic talon]

The SM vs Orks thing, the timeline of release thing

[celest dome]

Ohh if it's based on Vangheist and ghostly ships it could be so cool

[arctic talon]

And then for AoS

[celest dome]

Otherwise, maybe some Drowned stuff

[arctic talon]

The costal theme leaks

Which are limited

AoS runs a much tighter shop in terms of leaks

[spare osprey]

Stormcast in bikinis

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[spare osprey]

Men and women

[celest dome]

Could also see it be Vampire Coast, but without Vampires

[arctic talon]

Stormcast sunbathing kit

[arctic talon]

Oh that would be weird but cool

[rose thorn]

There is some guy who everyone has been pogging over who has been wrong like 5 times

[arctic talon]

Valrak is accurate enough

[rose thorn]

So I don’t trust AOS leaks

[arctic talon]

Oh for AoS

Yeah AoS is

💀

Russian roulette for leaks

[celest dome]

It would make sense imo cause the Vampire in the Vampire Coast were kind of surplus tbh

[rose thorn]

He was SUPER SUPER wrong about the chuardin and the spear head reveals

[arctic talon]

Yeah the vampires in Vampire coast aren’t the like

Core themeing of the faction ironically

[rose thorn]

Death does have some of the best navies in AOS lore wise

[celest dome]

Felt very tacked on purely as "Vampire are the lords of the Dead"

[arctic talon]

GW doing official pinup minis will happen when hell freezes over

[rose thorn]

with Ossairchs having the best navy out of every faction (besides idoneth)

[arctic talon]

Idoneth are cheating

[rose thorn]

Yah

[celest dome]

I miss Battle Fantasy having Liches be more important

[rose thorn]

So it might be vanguard stormcast vs Ossiarch bonerspers

[rose thorn]

?

[spare osprey]

Just get Wētā on that shit man

Gimmie Asmodai boobs

[celest dome]

Old Battle Fantasy had quite a lot more Undead not tied to the Vampire (or the Tomb King)

[cyan merlin]

Hey wait how are the tau alive
Hasn’t it been long enough for the imperium to determine that they are both a threat and a rapidly growing problem

[storm jungle]

No?

jesus christ

💀

[celest dome]

Hell there is even a very important Elven liche

[arctic talon]

The imperium is too slow and disorganized for that shit

[rose thorn]

Oh yeha AOS has a lot too but it’s mostly out of rebellion and don’t have tabletop rep

[arctic talon]

Also the Tau aren’t a huge threat

[spare osprey]

They can defend themselves + bigger problems

[arctic talon]

Comparatively

They’re like a very dangerous spider sitting in the corner of a closet

That’s building a bigger and bigger web

[outer wave]

They're still a very small threat on the priorities list for the IoM

[rose thorn]

Lithis have chill sentient undead, shysh has a lot of after lives still kicking against nagash, order ghosts are a thing (sorta)

[celest dome]

Is chaos the monster under my bed 🧸

[arctic talon]

Chaos is the giant creature that’s living in the attic and comes out of the closet at night to whisper in your ear

That it’s going to eat you

[celest dome]

Ah yes, Freddy the sleep paralysis deamon

[spare osprey]

He’s taken a couple of your kids up there too

They don’t like you anymore

[celest dome]

Hey I bought those kids fair and square

[opaque coyote]

They have 15 other threats

To take care of

[arctic talon]

In any case the Tau are the “issue for another day”

[celest dome]

Bring them back

[arctic talon]

For the imperium

[opaque coyote]

And that are way more dangerous

[rocky gale]

Yea there's mention of it in the latest Soulblight codex, where a Vampire overlord is shouting at their Wight King that his plans aren't going to work and he needs to follow their orders instead and the Wight basically just tells them to shut up, then when the Vampire threatens to ruin his strategy the Wight just decapitates them

[opaque coyote]

They are tiny compared to like

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

Tyranids

Orks

[celest dome]

Based

[opaque coyote]

Even the Deldar

[arctic talon]

Based wight king

[opaque coyote]

Necrons

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

LORD

HELP ME

[opaque coyote]

Nah trust the T'au will take over the galaxy-

[arctic talon]

The Vior’la counter attack did work

Tbf

Just don’t ask what happened to the expedition team

That was in charge of the counter attack

[celest dome]

Still want the Tau in Mechanicus 2

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

Y'know the funniest part is that the T'au are still less advanced than the Imperium.

They just give their soldiers actual gear instead of a flash light, a vest that 15 other people used and died with, etc

[storm jungle]

I think the greatest mistake GW did was not expanding Tau territories with every edition to the point that they actually become a galactic power

[celest dome]

Would have been awesome to see some Earth caste expedition scrambling to create new tech to level the playing field

[storm jungle]

they are so laughably tiny

its actually sad

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

They have expanded them bit by bit but it’s not enough

lol

[storm jungle]

its like

[arctic talon]

They’re like twice the size they were in 3e

Which is

[storm jungle]

micro-meters

[arctic talon]

Not a lot

Over like

[storm jungle]

theres generic throwaway ork empires in lore

[arctic talon]

20+ fucking years

[storm jungle]

that are larger than them

[arctic talon]

Of existence lol

[spare osprey]

No lobotomized slaves to open their doors tho, what a backwards ppl

[arctic talon]

Let the sixth sphere of expansion

Be huge GW

DO IT

DO IT DO IT DO IT

[rose thorn]

how are clades organzied? like are they assigned per planet or sector or

[opaque coyote]

I honestly think that the solution is to basically make the whole Imperium equivalent to Nihilus.

The Emperor finally explodes and the Imperium is shattered as a result.

The T'au weren't a threat before.

But to say

A warlord state with only 5 planets?

Now they are THE threat

[storm jungle]

Never

🫡

[opaque coyote]

IT WOULD BE SO INTERESTING TO SHATTER THE IMPERIUM

[arctic talon]

Cadres are organized into contingents, which consist of 3-6 cadres these contingents are temporarily assigned to worlds based on the needs of the tau empire

Cadres are permeant organizational bodies

[opaque coyote]

ABADDON GO FASTER

YOU FUCK

[arctic talon]

While contingents are not and are broken/reshaped

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

As needed

[opaque coyote]

LET THE STATUS QUO CHANGE

[arctic talon]

There can be multiple contingents per world

[arctic talon]

Not happening

It’s a GW system

[opaque coyote]

Also more stories set in Nihilus

Actually

[rose thorn]

last time they did we lost psykers

[arctic talon]

Dark heresy is set in nihlus

[opaque coyote]

The T'au empire is nowhere near Nihilus right

[arctic talon]

It’s not

[celest dome]

Well it's more that it's 40k
BF, AoS and BB have had some status quo be broken and changed

[arctic talon]

There’s some territories in it

But it’s mostly in Sanctus

[arctic talon]

Not really

[opaque coyote]

Damn that would've been a prime opportunity to make them a threat

[arctic talon]

AoS and WHFB’s overall status quo was the same

Till they blew up WHFB

[opaque coyote]

Actually

Logically they should expand into Nihilus

[arctic talon]

And AoS’s overall status quo has not changed

[opaque coyote]

Like the Imperium is absolutely fucked there

[arctic talon]

Which is all of the grand alliances being about equal and fluctuating in strength

With them gaining and losing territory ect.

[opaque coyote]

It would make sense that more would fall/accept the Greater Good

[arctic talon]

So no

AoS def hasn’t had a true status quo shift

[rocky gale]

The Cities established a buttload of new holdings

[arctic talon]

A true status quo shift would be shit like Nagash permanently dying and grand alliance death shattering between the mortarchs

[opaque coyote]

Damn I should really set up a campaign using that

[arctic talon]

Yeah but it’s not such a huge one that Order is so extremely
Dominant above the others

[opaque coyote]

...BSUT THAT REQUIRES MONEY

AAA

[arctic talon]

Considering the vermindoom happened

Chaos is currently the biggest scariest grand order

for now

[storm jungle]

Elite doesnt know any AOS lore

disembowel this man at once

[opaque coyote]

But yeah, I feel like T'au should expand into Nihilus

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

It makes sense

And also many systems are isolated

[rocky gale]

Yea but it means that Cities of Sigmar went from hiding behind their walls from a post apocalyptic world to actively establishing new cities and reclaiming lost lands

Sure there's a lot of failures, but like it's a change

[opaque coyote]

Their form of FTL would also be beneficial.

Since if I remember it's basically them just jumping in and out of the warp constantly right?

[arctic talon]

Yeah, but if that counts as a status quo shift then 40k has had them as well

What Laati is stating is a way bigger one

Which is unlikely in a GW system is my point

[celest dome]

Fair

[opaque coyote]

It would be so cool though

[arctic talon]

I’ve read AoS lore since 1e I’m going to make you play 1e AoS before the rule changes

[celest dome]

We might see the status quo change when Malerion get out of his mom/man cave

[opaque coyote]

This is how T'au FTL works right?

Or is my memory wrong

[arctic talon]

Malerion will likely make Order on top until GW decides to shift the scales again

Tbh

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-cat-cat-my-honest-reaction-cat-with-the-hat-cat-in-the-hat-gif-25359607

[arctic talon]

Sorta like with the lifequake

[opaque coyote]

Dilara is a hat cat

A cat

In a hat

[arctic talon]

Or idoneth becoming more active

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/catinthehat-mikemyers-drsuess-burn-gif-3572472

[celest dome]

Wild chaos rambling.

[opaque coyote]

Dilara irl

[arctic talon]

Yes

[celest dome]

Malerion will be Destruction

[opaque coyote]

Yeah so the T'au should be all over Nihilus

[arctic talon]

Cacti, if you’re correct I’ll buy you malerion/j

[rocky gale]

Wait and see Daughters of Khaine will become 3 subfactions wearing an overcoat like the Drukhari

[arctic talon]

I doubt it personally unless they change the name

But if that happens that would be funny

[rocky gale]

It will be Daughters of Khaine, Sons of Malerion and Children of Morai Heg.

With Morathi, Malerion and Krethusa as the three heads

Who work together while also trying to actively undermine eachother

[arctic talon]

One big shitty family

[rocky gale]

Call them the Godspawn Coven or some shit

There you go

GW pay me £40k and we'll call it a day

[arctic talon]

New cities of sigmar minis when

I need it

[celest dome]

God is they give CoS Cogforts

[arctic talon]

I want handgunners tbh

And also the aelf and Duradin stuff

Pls GW

[celest dome]

Don't we have Handgunners ? With shields

[opaque coyote]

This is unrelated to anything

I just find this picture funny

What would this count as rules wise

[arctic talon]

Nah, they’ve got a completely different profile and role

[opaque coyote]

Actually

I must ask

What is like

The closest 40k tabletop game to something like DnD

Where you make a long campaign/story

And have people play it

[rocky gale]

There's tons

What kind?

[opaque coyote]

The closest to DnD in terms of system

And also the ability to make a long campaign and story

And also good for newbies

Who don't know what a space marine is

[rocky gale]

What do you mean in terms of system, like with how the dice work?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

All of the FFG ttrpgs or cubicle 7 ttrpgs

Wrath and glory def the easiest

Of the bunch of reach people

Or soulbound for AoS

[opaque coyote]

FFG

?

[rocky gale]

The FFG's are all d100s, rather than d20 based

[arctic talon]

Fantasy flight gsmes

I would do unspeakable things for a D100 AoS system

[opaque coyote]

Eh should be fine. Just gotta read and figure out what the fuck I'm doing

[rocky gale]

Wrath and Glory is d6 based

[opaque coyote]

Just

[vagrant fox]

WANG is relatively simple I think

[opaque coyote]

Something that I can make a good campaign with

Idk man

[rocky gale]

What I was also meaning is like what kindof campaign do you want

[opaque coyote]

Long, narrative based

But with room to have different skills and abilities. Like persuading somebody to stand down

As an example

[rocky gale]

Like if you want to play as Space Marines you can do Deathwatch, if you want to be Inquisitorial warband you use Dark Heresy, if you want more power and adventure you go Rogue Trader, if you want Chaos you go Black Crusade etc

[arctic talon]

Oh, one of the FFG systems tbh

Or imperium maladictum

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I was thinking either Rogue Trader or Dark Heresy

[arctic talon]

Those work well

[opaque coyote]

Although I am also DMing for the first time

Like

Eber

[arctic talon]

Just know combat gets bloody fast

lol

[vagrant fox]

I think Dark Heresy is just fine, you get someone telling the group what to do so there's some goals and aims

[opaque coyote]

Actually

That sounds fine

[rocky gale]

I'd say Dark Heresy is probably easier for new players

[arctic talon]

Dark heresy or imperium maladictum

[opaque coyote]

The biggest problem I have with DnD is how it takes two hours to do like one minor battle

[arctic talon]

Is the best system for new players for d100 40k stuff

[urban spire]

the sooner you get the hell away from d20 based systems the better you'll feel, growing up on d20 and finally playing a pbta game was like realizing i'd been living with arsenic poisoning my entire life

[opaque coyote]

Also am I required to buy minis for Dark Heresy

[arctic talon]

No

D20 systems are fine

Tbh

[opaque coyote]

Like do I need to delve into

Plastic crack

[urban spire]

the icosahedron is a vile demon of filth

[opaque coyote]

Or can I just like have dice or something represent players and enemies

[arctic talon]

No

[vagrant fox]

Nah, I've never played with minis

[arctic talon]

Yes

[rocky gale]

You don't need models for Dark Heresy

[opaque coyote]

Oh thank god

[opaque coyote]

Yeah see

That's what I am terrified of

Thank god

[rocky gale]

You can do it all theatre of the mind

[vagrant fox]

D20 is fine but if you're so DnD brained you need to convert everything into the DnD system it's a problem

[arctic talon]

Real

Anyways pathfinder fixes this/j

[urban spire]

yeah i mean in general just get away from dnd, i personally have a hangup with the icosahedron but it's mostly me

[arctic talon]

How to play cyberpunk 2077 in DND gave me a stroke

[urban spire]

even dnd is like, fine if you want to run dnd specifically

[arctic talon]

Dnd is like perfectly inoffensive

Tbh

[opaque coyote]

Which edition is the best for Dark Heresy

[urban spire]

but if you want to run anything other than specifically dnd, look for something closer to what you want to run

[opaque coyote]

Idk man I'm kinda new at this.

Only tabletop I ever played IS DnD

[arctic talon]

Both are good

1e and 2e are both good but 2e is streamlined to play smoother

A bit less crunch

[urban spire]

most people start with dnd, no shame in it, it's just got the market share

[arctic talon]

Still plenty though

I will say Dark heresy 2e’s biggest loss is diversity in stuff

[opaque coyote]

So 2e got it

[arctic talon]

But sometimes less options are good for new players

[opaque coyote]

Good for me too

I'm gonna try DMing for the first time

[arctic talon]

oh also do mine combat takes a bit long in dark heresy

[opaque coyote]

Maybe I should do a short campaign first

[urban spire]

oh shit good luck

[arctic talon]

Due to limbs

[arctic talon]

Run a one shot

But good luck DMing

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I should.

[arctic talon]

I find it super fun personally

[vagrant fox]

There's plenty of premade quick short campaigns out there, some are pretty good even

[opaque coyote]

How the fuck do one shots work

Just like a scenario where four characters go through a dungeon or something rifht

[urban spire]

game you can run in a single session

[arctic talon]

A game you can run in one session

There’s a very good dark heresy one shot I found

If you would like

[opaque coyote]

Yeah sure

[urban spire]

if you're building from scratch, a mystery (murder optional) is a fun thing to do

[opaque coyote]

[urban spire]

for a one shot, i mean

[opaque coyote]

True

I need to introduce basic concepts

Lile

Space marines

And shit

Anyways

[arctic talon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40krpg/s/6FHQ2txlWs

Yes I know Reddit

But this dudes one shot they made is solid

[arctic talon]

You don’t need space marines tbf

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I know. Just generally trying to introduce them to like the basics of 40k lore as well

Like wtf a hive is

[arctic talon]

Might want to write something around that specifically then

[opaque coyote]

True

[rocky gale]

You won't normally cover Space Marines in Dark Heresy, it usually starts out much smaller scale

[opaque coyote]

Dang I can't believe I have to put effort.