40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

they're husks without souls

[celest willow]

you turn braindead without one am pretty sure

[arctic talon]

They still have their minds, they’re just trapped behind chains

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[celest willow]

or just become really weird

[opaque coyote]

They all still have their minds

[arctic talon]

Warriors can’t think properly

[humble shoal]

The disease

[opaque coyote]

They literally just cannot express it

[storm jungle]

I turn braindead even with one in this fandom so idk

[arctic talon]

The engram is the whole ass person though

[arctic talon]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GxdjtDdWIAA19YB.gif

[opaque coyote]

I find it really fucking funny that the reason why is because their bodies are too low tech

Like

[celest willow]

eh potato potato

[storm jungle]

I mean

rich people would do that to us too IRL if they could

[humble shoal]

It was a prank by the deciever

[hallow plover]

What even happened there? I know he lost at a game

[crystal forum]

now the real question is do men of iron have souls

and the answer is probably yes

[opaque coyote]

"sorry buddy, your engram is being stored in the fucking windows 95 PC"

• The Deceiver

[celest willow]

jeff bezos must imagine servitors in his wet dream

[humble shoal]

Star trek asked this question

[crystal forum]

since machine spirits have quasi souls

or something like it

[humble shoal]

You mean pleasure servitors

[celest willow]

has that ever been confirmed

[arctic talon]

He does this everytime he loses finals against that dude as a bit, he’s been doing it for 10+ years now

[celest willow]

please tell me that isnt a thing

[humble shoal]

It is

[celest willow]

ew

[storm jungle]

why wouldnt it be a thing

[humble shoal]

Why wouldnt it be a thing

[crystal forum]

hints here and there

[arctic talon]

Unfortunately for you

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[opaque coyote]

There are also like servitors that act as children's toys

[arctic talon]

Depends on the type of machine spirit

But yes

[storm jungle]

Do you know the kind of sick shit rich people do to their innocent workers IRL?

like

[opaque coyote]

Also literally servitors that just

Open doors

[storm jungle]

pleasure-servitors are on the LOWEST spectrum

[celest willow]

who is banging lobotomized half dead pale robo zombies

[storm jungle]

rich people

[opaque coyote]

Rich people

[celest willow]

like how can you even like that

[crystal forum]

cant the rich just buy real sex slaves

[opaque coyote]

Ayyyy

[storm jungle]

By being a bored hedonistic fuck

again

[humble shoal]

Doesnt rogue trader have lines about a noble lady complaining about her husband with the servitors

[storm jungle]

Eppstein Island exist

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

But they like it better when it's cold

[storm jungle]

idk why this is a huge thing

[arctic talon]

Some people don’t want someone thats independent

[opaque coyote]

[opaque coyote]

Also this.

[arctic talon]

They want a lobotmized thing that looks like a human

[crystal forum]

lobotomize them, keep the body intact

[humble shoal]

Servitors dont try to kill themselves

[arctic talon]

Servitors also don’t talk back

[opaque coyote]

You still gotta make them move

[humble shoal]

Thats a pleasure servitor....

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Or be independent

[storm jungle]

Customized.

[crystal forum]

just a person who was lobotomized?

[celest willow]

so just brain dead human bodies

[opaque coyote]

Yeah basically

[humble shoal]

With some "improvements"

[opaque coyote]

But with robo parts to make them

Like

Move

[arctic talon]

Usually there’s cybernetics implanted

[crystal forum]

lobotomized people can still move

[arctic talon]

To make the body “work” better

[humble shoal]

Like servitors have a wide breadth

[crystal forum]

they just arent really people anymore

[young pecan]

First it was "it didn't happen", then it was "she enjoyed being #####, actually" 🟠

[celest willow]

ok but that sounds dumb at this point just make a full machine

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but you need to like

Instruct them somehow and shit.

[arctic talon]

GW doesn’t give too much info on it

[celest willow]

you dont need any ai

[storm jungle]

again

you dont understand sick people

[arctic talon]

Servitors cheaper

[opaque coyote]

The cruelty is part of the appeal.

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

I had a Dark Heresy game with a group once, we werent sent onto this Pleasure World

and like

[crystal forum]

i thought you said they were rich wolf

[storm jungle]

the nobles had a caste of slaves

[celest willow]

well thanks internet strangers I know feel sick

[opaque coyote]

Penny pinchers

[celest willow]

[arctic talon]

Don’t worry

[crystal forum]

i'm with clipxlx here this makes no sense logistically

[storm jungle]

they referredded to as "the pinks" or something

[arctic talon]

The imperium is awful

[opaque coyote]

Trust me

It gets worse

[humble shoal]

Oh slaaneshis huh

[storm jungle]

and they were like gene-enhanced/forged to be physically weak

[celest willow]

am ok with the lobtomized babies

[storm jungle]

so when nobles used them they couldnt fight back

and we had to sit and listen to this noble tell us about it

it was fucking awful

[opaque coyote]

You don't get called

"The worst regime in the history of mankind".

For nothing

[storm jungle]

Nah lol

[queen laurel]

Welcome to the imperium and leave that optimism outside

[celest willow]

thats why am a ork main

[humble shoal]

Wait until you find out about the baby killing machines

And the flying baby corpses

[celest willow]

they are messed up as hell but they have a good time

[crystal forum]

you know what's always fun about the 40k community? when the mere mention of queerness makes people mention slaanesh

[celest willow]

i dont mind those

[opaque coyote]

Quite annoying

[humble shoal]

Why are those less bad than pleasure servitors

[celest willow]

fr hate people that do this

[humble shoal]

Or the space marine maker

[opaque coyote]

...

I do admit that some daemonettes have cool outfits though

"Slayyy queen, flay that person alive!"

[celest willow]

they are lab grown and then lobotomized doesnt feel as bad

[storm jungle]

I mean

some are made from actual babies

[opaque coyote]

It used to be old lore that they did actual babies

But now it's only

[arctic talon]

No

[opaque coyote]

Some of them

[arctic talon]

That was never lore

[celest dome]

The Slaaneshi cultist in AoS though, those are well dressed

[arctic talon]

GW never wrote that

[humble shoal]

Also space marine maker

The skinmarine was too wholesome for this world

[arctic talon]

But some are made from real babies

[celest willow]

pretty sure they areant they need special genes or something

[storm jungle]

What genes

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

its a baby

[crystal forum]

people seem to genuinely mistake slaanesh as a god of deviance instead of excess

[arctic talon]

You can make them out of normal babies

Explicitly lol

[opaque coyote]

Listen

Khorne has blood
Tzeentch has knowledge
Nurgle has happiness

But Tzeentch?

Tzeentch has drip

[storm jungle]

^

[humble shoal]

Its a baby with wings grafted onto them

[opaque coyote]

Fuck

[humble shoal]

What genes

[opaque coyote]

I mean Slaanesh

Shit

[storm jungle]

Yeah what Ebil said

[arctic talon]

It’s just normally done with vat grown ones

[storm jungle]

it isnt rocket science

[opaque coyote]

God dammit Tzeentch

[celest willow]

well you could argue the babies where never sapient soooo

[opaque coyote]

You made me mix up my words

[storm jungle]

bruh

💀

[celest dome]

Honestly the Disciples of Tzeentch are the least noteworthy of the 4

[arctic talon]

I curse you with being turned into a servitor

[opaque coyote]

It was a 96th trimester abortion

[celest willow]

imagine being a pleasure servitor and suddenly malfunctioning like a medicea one tho

[arctic talon]

They’ve got no armored unit smh

[humble shoal]

Nah only like 9th

[celest willow]

thats just horrifying

[opaque coyote]

...tbf that would be horrifying regardless

[humble shoal]

Imagine being a worker servitor and having all of your flesh rot off

Since pleasure servitors are eventually killed

[celest willow]

those are stupidly brain dead tho

[humble shoal]

Heh

You think so

[crystal forum]

tzeentch is the most ignored god because magic is for nerds

[opaque coyote]

...no

No they aren't

[celest dome]

But even discarding the armoured units for the other 3, theirs are the least interesting imo

[celest willow]

show me a piece of lore that says otherwise

[arctic talon]

Manufacturing errors happen

And yeah they’re lobotomized

It’s just that sometimes someone fucks up

The lobotomy lol

[humble shoal]

Not if punishment

[crystal forum]

also tzeentch is the only god that you can't just explain easily as the god of war or the god of disease

[opaque coyote]

Mistakes happen and a tech priest can fuck up the lobotomy

[arctic talon]

No they’re always lobotomized

[opaque coyote]

Or

[arctic talon]

They’re supposed to always be lobotomized

[opaque coyote]

It's on purpose cause you

Idk

[humble shoal]

They get that locked in syndrome

[celest dome]

Ambition, knowledge

[opaque coyote]

Accidentally used the boss's pencil

[celest willow]

yeah but that tends to happen with more complex servitors

[crystal forum]

that's more complicated to explain imo

[opaque coyote]

Nah

[crystal forum]

like nurgle is pretty easy to understand

[storm jungle]

There was more -- somehow, the lobotimised woman's very last thoughts had been of her human life and the weeping children that had been pulled from her hands as she was hauled away, screaming, on her way to processing. Alpha-Rho-25 discarded the data as irrelevant: a tesiously emotional misfire of a dying, imperfect biological engine.

[opaque coyote]

It fits tbf

He is needlessly complex like that

[humble shoal]

Love tech priests

[opaque coyote]

Although you could summarize it as

God of Lies

[celest willow]

last thought before the lobotomy

[opaque coyote]

Nah they

[humble shoal]

Dark mechanicus, aka the mechanicus with less slavery

[opaque coyote]

They still remember

Moments of clarity are common

A breath of air in an ever growing ocean

[storm jungle]

thats already a servitor

lol

[humble shoal]

There are like 5 or six cases of sentient servitors in rogue trader alone

[arctic talon]

Nah she’s already lobotomized

[celest willow]

well in that case she must have thought twice before stealing those extra rations

[arctic talon]

The servitor just died

[crystal forum]

dark mechanicum, the faction so similar to its counterpart that it can't even be called evil

[opaque coyote]

Basically it's like how manufacturing fucks up a door or something

Or even simple things like a table

Same goes for Servitors

[humble shoal]

Nah they less evil, less slavery

[opaque coyote]

Nah

More

[arctic talon]

The dark mechanicum and adeptus mechanicus are both comically evil

[opaque coyote]

Way more

[celest willow]

they are so much worse

[humble shoal]

I still think its a charade

[crystal forum]

they enslave demons instead

[arctic talon]

Dark mechanicum just uses a lot more sacrifices lol

[celest willow]

they got like 0 regulations

[arctic talon]

Human sacrifices

[opaque coyote]

The only difference looks wise is that one is literally just a shade darker

[humble shoal]

So do tech priests....

[opaque coyote]

Which is funny

[humble shoal]

Cawl

[celest willow]

tech priests do

[arctic talon]

The dark mechanicum is worse then the mechanicus

[humble shoal]

They really dont

[arctic talon]

But it’s a pretty close contest lol

[humble shoal]

Ill say they are the same faction

[crystal forum]

dark mechanicum just accept the being evil aesthetic

[humble shoal]

The schism was a lie

[arctic talon]

Just depends on if you find mass slavery

Or horrific sacrifice

[humble shoal]

[celest willow]

they can get testy with the rules but they still gotta follow them

[opaque coyote]

It's like killing a puppy vs flaying one

One is worse

But it kinda just

[crystal forum]

mechanicus try to not look evil, sometimes

[arctic talon]

The mechanicus absolutely looks evil as shit lol

[opaque coyote]

Blends together at some point

[celest willow]

cawl just loop holes his way out of alot of things

[humble shoal]

Hereteks arent real

Dark mechanicus arent real

Its all just mechanicus

[crystal forum]

they don't hide under clothes as often!!

[opaque coyote]

That and the fact that the Mechanicus argues

A lot

[arctic talon]

Parliament of Mars

[opaque coyote]

Imagine the average US politics board

Okay

[arctic talon]

Aka the worst goddamn place imaginable

[opaque coyote]

Now imagine it but 2000 times worse

[crystal forum]

also dark mechanicum is another of those factions that NEED their own books

[opaque coyote]

You got the parliament of mars

[humble shoal]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

They will argue which type of red should be the standard for the robes

[celest willow]

anyways yeah the baby servitors are less bad than the pleasure ones

[humble shoal]

Martian red

[crystal forum]

i want to know about dark mechanicum explorers trying to find a demon core

[arctic talon]

The parliament of mars isn’t even the worst mechanicus parliament lol

[opaque coyote]

"CRIMSON IS CLEARLY THE BEST, MEAT BAG."

[humble shoal]

What about the urinal servitors

[arctic talon]

The one on Metalica was like

Way worse

[arctic talon]

We don’t have lore on those

yet

[humble shoal]

They in darktide

[celest willow]

I mean your just the flushing system soo

[arctic talon]

Those are just skulls

Not a servitor

[crystal forum]

we pee in skulls?

[arctic talon]

Though it is hilarious there is a skull there

[opaque coyote]

...

I can imagine them still having mouths purely so that people can piss in them

[celest willow]

we have electric toilets soooo

[arctic talon]

Mfw theres a cogitator in the urinal

Awful

[crystal forum]

big emp getting your bladder information

[opaque coyote]

@arctic talon I once thought of something in like a joke fanfic.

Where it's a gaming cogitator. And there's like

A bunch of servitors zip tied together

The Inquistor fucking turns it out and one begins screaming

"God dammit I have to take it to the shop again"

[crystal forum]

i find it funny that the imperium is too incompetent to have a proper surveillance state

too shitty to be 1984

[opaque coyote]

It's also just too big

Also time dilation

[crystal forum]

people should credit 1984 more as a piece of grimdark

[celest willow]

the imperium really just cares about getting tithes and recruits as far as it is concerned

[crystal forum]

it's like the perfect grimdark setting

absolutely no hope possible

[opaque coyote]

I still find it interesting that

There is still a bunch of mystery on the world

Because we don't know how big Ingsoc is

Or anything

This limited perspective is probably the best

And coolest thing about the novel

[crystal forum]

orwell didn't intend the world to be fully fleshed out is the interesting part to me. he built the entire setting to serve the plot

[opaque coyote]

Just like the protagonist, we only know what Ingsoc tells us

[crystal forum]

that's like classical worldbuilding

[opaque coyote]

It's probably the most interesting because of that.

Because we can only speculate how big the empire even is

Is it like North Korea? An isolated island

Or maybe bigger?

We will never know

[celest willow]

btw I wana know who in the imperuim went "ykw I think we gotta start lab growing cyborg flying babies"

[opaque coyote]

They're basically status symbols

[crystal forum]

these days sci fi would focus a lot more on building a world first to give a sense of a working universe

[opaque coyote]

The Imperial equivalent of like

Jordans

Supreme shirts

Etc.

They literally only exist to show how rich you are

[celest willow]

yeah but who got the idea first cause like it is so cartoonishly evil

[opaque coyote]

Most likely

Somebody who was bored

[crystal forum]

oceania? it's all of the americas and the UK

[celest willow]

also am pretty sure they retconned using actual babies

[opaque coyote]

Yeah. But that part could be a lie.

It could just be the UK.

How would the citizens know otherwise

[celest willow]

I might be wrong tho

[opaque coyote]

Except maybe those that go to war

[crystal forum]

i get where people come from when they use that theory but imo it goes against the political ideas behind the book to have it all be fake

[opaque coyote]

Either way, I like this ambiguity

[crystal forum]

i know a lot of people want to make ingsoc less depressing and more incompetent since the book itself is just so careless

[opaque coyote]

I guess it depends since North Korea doesn't lie about like

The fact that South Korea is a thing.

They do talk about reunification a lot

So they most likely aren't lying about the size of their empire. There is more benefit to not lying.

Things like Eurasia could more likely be a lie

It could be a collection of countries that they just call Eurasia

[crystal forum]

they do but at the time the book was written north korea wasn't even a year old

and orwell had a much more western idea of authoritarianism

[opaque coyote]

Yeah most of the oppressive empires never lie about their territory

So it's probably not the case for 1984

[crystal forum]

there's definitely lies going on but i don't think the setting is just the UK

i think the other world powers do exist

[opaque coyote]

I think the best part is that we genuinely don't know.

And I hope it stays that way

[crystal forum]

there's no way we'd ever know

[opaque coyote]

I think so too, though maybe under different names and organizations.

I remember a funny story that is also sad

Apparently Italian soldiers under Mussolini were told that if they got captured

Then the American soldiers would castrate them

When a group surrendered, one of the soldiers said something equivalent to

"Are you gonna cut our dicks off?"

And the American soldiers were like

"no wtf??"

[crystal forum]

it took me a while to understand that 1984 has strong anarchist influences

[opaque coyote]

Oh 100%

[crystal forum]

which makes sense given where orwell fought in the spanish civil war

and he was exposed to anarchism and nationalism

[opaque coyote]

I don't believe anarchy is the best way.

Or even a viable way

Because ub

We just aren't capable of it.

[crystal forum]

it's just very clear to me that the book is specifically criticizing hierarchy

[opaque coyote]

Yeah. It does actually go against the grain somewhat by having the protagonist not like start at the lowest class.

I think he's basically in the equivalent to the middle class of sorts.

And it's much worse than the "commoners"

Even less freedom than if you were born dirt poor

I don't think many other dystopias actually do fhat

Most dystopias, especially YA, have the protagonists at the bottom

[crystal forum]

he would be treated as the hero of the story if the book had bolshevik messages. middle class thought heros is the bread and butter of that ideology

[opaque coyote]

Doubleplus ungood

[crystal forum]

but the book is more about how change can't come from unique talented individuals

[opaque coyote]

Which is ironic because a lot of dystopian novels do the opposite

Again, especially YA

It is wild how even after all of this time. It goes against a lot of tropes

Truly a timeless book

[crystal forum]

individualism is an easier sell to teenagers

telling them they're the special heros who will tear down the system

the kind of shit ayn rand would write about

[urban spire]

or the black mold infested castle dweller

[arctic talon]

Yeah well Ayn Rand is a hack

[crystal forum]

the fountainhead was written before 1984

it's funny how completely opposed the books are

ayn rand genuinely thinking that socialism has more conformist art movements than other systems

meanwhile soviet union era animation vs copy paste hanna barbera cartoons of the same era

[urban spire]

ayn rand is a type of creature you normally only see in the zoo (steam discussion forums) these days

[storm jungle]

Shes an evil cunt that is burning in hell

anyone that defends her views or her is a dumbass too

https://tenor.com/view/jj-laughing-lol-haha-laugh-gif-17577715

tho she gave us Bioshock so she did SOMETHING right

[crystal forum]

ayn rand books are unironically popular among wealthy people

who would have known that atlas shrugged, a book about jerking the meat of billionaires, is popular among the 1%

[urban spire]

her ideas were so fucking

incomprehensibly divorced from reality

[crystal forum]

right wing libertarians are all that way

it all stems from a very basic early level misunderstanding about how society works

[crystal forum]

wealth and power is a drug

you always need more

and you get more and more desensitized to it

i genuinely think billionaires are deeply unhappy people

[hallow saddle]

you've got to be fucked in the head to even be a billionnaire

[arctic talon]

The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is a billion

💀

[hallow saddle]

as opposed to just a wealthy millionnaire

you have to have fucked over people to get that much

[arctic talon]

A billion is 1000 millions which starts to have the human brain breakdown

In terms of how big it is lol

[urban spire]

a million is already kinda a fucked amount of dollars to think about

[arctic talon]

It’s already a fucked amount

But it’s much more comprehensible

[hallow saddle]

you get to like 100mill and youre like "this is still not enough, i must have more"

youre fucked in the head

[arctic talon]

Like you can see how someone could become a millionaire

[hallow saddle]

i must have 10x this smount

[arctic talon]

By working a somewhat normal white color job

For a long time

[hallow saddle]

yeah thats what im getting at

its just another level of wealth

[urban spire]

but yeah, there's no way to have a billion without fucking people over, it's an amount where even just having it causes deprivation in other people

[arctic talon]

Idk, I just find millionaires seemingly more relatable and sane in comparison to a billionaire

In terms of like “yeah I can comprehend how this cash came to be”

[urban spire]

idk i reckon i could eat a millionaire too

[arctic talon]

lol

[crystal forum]

you could be born in it

and that makes you an even less happy person

[urban spire]

even if it's inherited it's not moral

[crystal forum]

of course

and anyways billionaires never come from the working class

[urban spire]

just having all that money concentrated under one person negatively impacts the economy

[crystal forum]

it's literally always upper middle class

who already have a lot of money at their disposal

[crystal forum]

money isn't even real anymore. billionaires aren't propped up by any real value other than investor speculation

elon musk is only considered the wealthiest person because of his tesla shares, something completely meaningless in the real world

[urban spire]

yeah fingers crossed all that falls apart soon

[crystal forum]

old world money is insidious, i've only been exposed to it once in my life

[urban spire]

tesla, american auto makers in general actually but especially tesla, has been so bad for the ev market

[arctic talon]

Literally have never been exposed to it and I hope to keep it that way

lol

[crystal forum]

a stronger union would have prevented this

but american unions have been decimated in the 20th century

too complacent in my book

[crystal forum]

there is something uniquely sociopathic about people who were born to an ancestry that has been above the average man for centuries

tech billionaires dont quite compare since they've at least had to interact with normal people at some point in their lives

old world rich is quiet and truly evil

[arctic talon]

I have met a tech billionaire

Once in my lifetime lol

The current Intel CEO

Though he prolly wasn’t a billionaire yet when I met him lol

[crystal forum]

the new generation of rich haven't learned to stay quiet

the families that survived the aristocratic purges of the earlier centuries learned that

in a way it's good for us the people since dipshits like elon musk reveal how stupid the 1% truly is

replaying disco elysium has me ranting about politics again

[hallow saddle]

tech billionaires have caught up big time

look at fucking peter thiel 🤮

[crystal forum]

i was not prepared to learn about rationalism when listening to a podcast about peter thiel

and i hate how the entire world has to suffer due to californian kids who have no idea how the real world works

and treating extremely basic philosophical concepts as this ground breaking idea

[tough haven]

@arctic talon Could you help me make a good melee focused bebop build?

[crystal forum]

rationalist think tanks arguing about the safety of AI for the human race while completely ignoring the current harm it's doing to the working class

americans will do ANYTHING to avoid developing class consciousness

[arctic talon]

I’m ngl I got no clue how to build him

Or melee builds in general

[crystal forum]

how are software engineers supposed to save the world when they cant even compile their own codes

/jk

[tough haven]

This is what I'm using rn

[tough haven]

Any tips on building/playing doorman, he seems interesting?

Might play him till I can figure out bebop

[arctic talon]

Build spirit, his guns suck. There’s a funny combo where you can use knockdown on someone then ult them. Their portals have a ton of utility

[tough haven]

Yeah really I just wanna make an abduction build

[arctic talon]

You can slam someone through a door the moment they leave your ult

[tough haven]

Where I can just portal in, send someone to hell (a small midwest motel) and then leave

[tough haven]

as in throw them in the ult, portal on a nearby wall, cart them through into your team?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Or into your walker/turret lol

[tough haven]

So I do not have enough experience in this game yet to custom make my own builds, any suggestions?

[tough haven]

Hows this one look, I like it just for the theming

[crystal forum]

holy shit i just randomly stumbled upon this song https://youtu.be/_gYjh863j4g

i was listening to his other music and was not prepared to hear a tiktok song 😭

[arctic talon]

Looks good to me

I’d consider escalating exposure

[fervent gull]

Does guardsmen have acces to grenades?

On infantry rank I mean

[tough haven]

What should I change to it?

Also do you think transcendant cooldown or spirit burn first?

[shrewd depot]

Are there bigger tanks than the Baneblade and it's variants?

It feels weird that the next biggest Imperial vehicles are the Knights and Titans

[crystal forum]

there are much much bigger tanks

leviathan

this is epic scale

which means it's huge

this image is on the fandom wiki but i have no clue where it's from

you can see rhinos next to it

and you have to keep in mind that baneblades themselves are pretty damn big

[tough haven]

@arctic talon mind if I dm for deadlock build suggestions?

[arctic talon]

Go for it

I’m kinda busy rn

[arctic talon]

Conditional ultimately, you need to consider if you’re a big source of damage and if you have a lot of spirit damagers

[arctic talon]

If you count the Ordinatus war engines they win

Ordinatus Mars

There’s a baneblade in the art

Another Ordinatus mars, that is a city beneath it

The Ordinatus Minoris are already comically big as well

[storm jungle]

Why is that weird

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Astra_Militarum_Vehicles_(List)

[arctic talon]

the mechanicus's overcompesnatorinator

ordinatus minoris are goofy as fuck

[storm jungle]

actual lego toy

PEAK

[arctic talon]

I LOVE IT SO MUCH

I want to own one

and then I look at the price tag

and decide that I don't need to own one

[storm jungle]

it definitely enters the same category as the tau Manta

aka uh

"You can definitely smash someone over the head with this and kill them"

[arctic talon]

nah the Tau manta is like

3x bigger

the Tau manta is horrifyingly large

[storm jungle]

same shit bitch

shut up

[storm jungle]

📸

[rocky gale]

I love spending 5 grand for a Tau Manta, then finding that half the pieces in the kit are missing and the other half are shaped wrong

Classic Forgeworld

[storm jungle]

based as hell

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[rocky gale]

If you've ever seen Squigmars video of building the Tau Manta, it's legit hell

[arctic talon]

This is like the least fucked up manta

I've ever seen tbh

[rocky gale]

Using heaters to reshape half the pieces and having to take a literal hacksaw to pieces to shave them to the right size that they fit together

[arctic talon]

yeah

Squidmar's manta isn't the worst manta I've seen

is the worst part lol

[rocky gale]

Oh is it Squidmar?

I thought it was Squigmar, like Ork Squigs

[spring cairn]

manta looks cool tho

[arctic talon]

oh its super cool

its just hellish to build

its an old forgeworld mould

and its a big old forgeworld mould

so its like double whammy

[rocky gale]

Thank goodness, it's got space for all 200 of the Tau infantry you're going to have in your army

[arctic talon]

Glory to the Tau’va

[spring cairn]

and the 4 vehicles

and the 8 battlesuits too

might aswell

[arctic talon]

I wish GW made it exactly 2k points

lol

The fact it’s 2.1k is a crime

I wana see the solo manta list at a tournament

[spring cairn]

the 200 only made up of tactical drones

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/nato-gif-26965518

Tau empire moment

Shame the manta can’t take Remora’s like it can in Aeronautica lol

[storm jungle]

remember, drone-striking your enemies is always based

[arctic talon]

The we’d have the real tau predator drone

[spring cairn]

i need bf6 to come out so i can put c4 on the drone

i need that carnally

[arctic talon]

I love the remora so much lol

It’s got 2 burst cannons, a stealth generator, marker lights and as many seeker missiles as it can fit

Make non tau players want to kill themselves in Aeronautica when you can’t kill the crew or worry about the crew passing out

Great for being used as a literal Kamikaze unit since you can strap so many goddamn explosives on it

And it doesn’t cause morale cascades because it’s a drone

Never forgiving GW for killing Aeronautica

ignore the fact it sold like shit

[celest willow]

Say what happens when daemons consume your soul

Do you like become one with it?

[rocky gale]

Behold a 5k Tau list that can entirely fit inside the Manta

[arctic talon]

You get tormented for eternity until the demon grows bored or your soul gives out

[arctic talon]

It’s peak

[celest willow]

Wdym

[arctic talon]

Your soul literally comes apart at the seems

And disintegrates

[celest willow]

I thought they like ate the souls

[arctic talon]

Not in a literal sense

They draw power from them

But they don’t consume them

[rocky gale]

Maybe should probably take some of the smaller Battlesuits rather than all Commanders, I dunno I don't play Tau (and none of my friends play tau)

[celest willow]

I was imagining a khrone daemon eating psyker souls like cereal 😭

[arctic talon]

Commanders on their own are pretty meh

[storm jungle]

bro what do you think this is

Disney?

[storm jungle]

Hmmm yes

[rose thorn]

can kroot go into the manta?

[rocky gale]

Yep

[rose thorn]

oh cool

[arctic talon]

Yeah but not the monsters

[storm jungle]

they dont know how to put on their seatbelts 😔

[rose thorn]

i imagine lore wise is the kroot just dont like going into the devilfish preferring gurrilla tactics, but i imagine when a kroot tries to get on there is a 'no kroot allowed' sign like a kid's tree house

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but can Rogue trader's fund their own projects?

[rocky gale]

They fund all their own stuff

[nocturne crest]

Innovate, by giving a servitor some hotshot lasguns.

[rocky gale]

Yea gun servitors exist

[nocturne crest]

How about Gun servitors with Eldar or t'au tech?

[rocky gale]

If anyone's gonna do it it'd be a Rogue Trader

[rose thorn]

hey does anyone know Philippines mythos?

im looking at crabs from mythos and i came across Tambanokano

but i cant find any solid sources if its from real phillipines mythos or not

the only srouce i could find is a book from 1916

[sacred bluff]

are there any good warhammer painting channels where it's just music and painting, no talking

[vagrant fox]

If anyone would do it, it's the Deathwatch

[crystal forum]

ordinatus does not count smh

that shit is not a tank

[crystal forum]

stop pushing your mechanicus agenda!!!

[arctic talon]

It’s not an agenda smh

[cyan merlin]

Are there any Ogryn-sized pistols that could potentially be added to Darktide?

[crystal forum]

tell me sincerely, if you saw that image with no context would you think of the word "tank"

[arctic talon]

Yes/j

[crystal forum]

the leviathan barely looks like a tank either

there's a certain point where a 40k vehicle just becomes a moving bunker

[vagrant fox]

Aside from models using ripper guns one-handed in their models, nothing officially afaik but Fatshark could just make something up it'd be fine

[vagrant fox]

has tracks
has gun
it's a tank to me boss

[winged jacinth]

Leviathans basically are moving bunkers afaik

The giant gun is secondary to its role as a command center

The gun is comedic

[vagrant fox]

Has wheels
Not a tank

[cyan merlin]

Don’t make me get the tank alignment chart

[cyan merlin]

One-handed minigun

Shredder pistol on steroids

[cinder pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWivCmXacaA

unexpected, but a welcoming one

[sacred ginkgo]

Bad example this is literally a rhino

[crystal forum]

is a rhino a tank

[sacred ginkgo]

Kind of

[crystal forum]

wdym kind of

which criteria is it fulfilling at all

tracks?

[sacred ginkgo]

Its not really a tank by role by itself but its one bit swap away from being a predator

[crystal forum]

predator isnt a rhino

come ON

[sacred ginkgo]

Its a rhino with a hat on

[crystal forum]

BEHOLD: A TANK

[languid meadow]

the babykiller 5000 🔥

[crystal forum]

warcrime machine

unironically

[cyan merlin]

Warhammer… 50k

[cyan merlin]

Don’t make me get the tank alignment chart.

[opaque coyote]

There are two types of tanks in 40k

1. "Hey WW1 called, they want their shitty riveted armor designs back."

2. "This is literally just a moving castle. Does this even count as a tank?"

[winged jacinth]

I meant doctrinally

Instead of deploying with an armored division a leviathan usually has a field command inside

[opaque coyote]

So it's basically a giant fortress as a result

Either that or a giant APC?

Fortress is probably more appropriate given it's size

[winged jacinth]

Yeah the line blurs

But in contast to like, a knight which is a giant war machine for combat it's a mobile command center

With a hilarious cannon

Fortress is right yeah

[opaque coyote]

Fortress then since APCs bring combat squads

Although I guess the Leviathan also does that

So

Moving Fortress sounds a lot cooler than Giant APC

[winged jacinth]

The comparison works best when you think of it as a border fortress that gets to move with the front line

[opaque coyote]

Either way this is what 40k is all about

[winged jacinth]

I love a good ordinatus

A magos gets a dwarf fortress ass strange mood and makes a device out of strings and paper that turns planets inside out

[summer mural]

is the 9th ed cinematic trailer connected to the pariah nexus tv show

it looks like a prequel

[shadow plover]

It's more so that both animations take place in Pariah Nexus

but it's quite likely that the 9th edition trailer happened before the show

given all the ultramarine corpses

[winter vessel]

I do like how Pariah Nexus depicted Imperium forces to be losing the fight. 9th edition trailer made it seem like they had a "chance" but the 'Crons steamrolled the defenders.

also cool when i later found out the SOB narrating in the cinematic is the same VA for Minthara in BG3

[shadow plover]

she also narrates quite a few warhammer audio books

[summer mural]

its the same

pariah nexus is prequel/teaser

the ultramarine sergeant in the trailer is the same as the one in the show

he gets taken out by a deathmark 😭

[shadow plover]

Pariah Nexus is such an oddity of a setting really, it has lots of cool stuff going for it but it is barely talked about

[arctic talon]

Kid named crusade pariah nexus

[summer mural]

also the imperium must have really botched it up on that planet, you had kriegers, cadians, sisters of battle and ultramarines all fighting necrons and they got demolished

[shadow plover]

there were multiple dynasties too though

also a necron civil war that barely anyone knows about

[summer mural]

i see

[arctic talon]

Blame Imotekh

lol

Sautekh dynasty is the only rebelling one

[summer mural]

but its kinda huge right

[shadow plover]

Stormlord be Stomrlording

I kinda wanna get this book just for the lore

I don't really care for the Crusade game mode

[summer mural]

also szeras is a cryptek right

or was he an overlord

[shadow plover]

Cryptek

[summer mural]

did he have a cryptek specialization

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s the biggest dynasty by far

[summer mural]

like ethermancer ig

[arctic talon]

The only reason the imperium forces don’t get pounded to dust is because of the civil war

Having the Necrons attention split

[winter vessel]

when was the last time the Maynarkh Dynasty got mentioned. 2013?

[shadow plover]

But why is there so little 'hype' going on for this setting? It has barely had any marketing besides "yeah we got these books" yet it keeps being relevant in almost half of the 40k releases

[arctic talon]

The hype is those rulebooks

Tbh

[shadow plover]

but they don't really push it like they would some other long story campaign like they used to

Pariah Nexus has been going for what 5+ years now?

[arctic talon]

Yeah give or take

There has been progress though

The original imperial forces sent are pretty much all dead

The necron civil war was cold up till 10e

Where it went properly hot

[shadow plover]

has it been mentioned in anywhere else than the crusade book 1,5 years ago?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Necron codex in 9e and 10e

And in the 9e crusade book I forgot the name of

And the 9e tournament pack that was pariah nexus themed

Also core rulebook

[shadow plover]

Wild that none talks about it then

or do I just miss the 'discourse' by not using reddit

[arctic talon]

You’ll only really find it on discord really lol

Mostly focused around the wargame itself

The necron discord yaps about it a ton

[shadow plover]

I'm on multiple but I don't really go to the big ones I guess

this is the biggest one I visit regularly

[arctic talon]

The 40k discord also talks about it sometimes, but in general

Rulebook lore

Gets talked about less Because it’s mostly dryer stuff

It’s not a novel it’s like

“At the battle of aratis necron rebels ambush loyalist forces of the blorgus dynasty forcing them to withdraw from an engagement with the 21746th Skulltakers” or some shit lol

I’m oversimplifying obviously but you get a lot of lore like that, that’s dry

[shadow plover]

yeah

but afaik the later crusade book has some more juicier stuff going on for it

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s got 3 short stories in it

When I say short I mean short they’re like 3-4 pages

[shadow plover]

yeah your usual rule book short story length

[summer mural]

oh shit, sakan is the same salamander from tithes ep1?

why does this guy get to star in 2 different shows and survive both

[crystal forum]

space marine

[median star]

helmet less

[summer mural]

kill lupercal wasnt great

the only thing I liked was the moderati lol

[crystal forum]

did you really find that sentence funny or are you simply using the "laugh out loud" to blend in with the crowd

[summer mural]

ofc not lol

I found it funny lol

[crystal forum]

smh

[summer mural]

[crystal forum]

kids these days with their roflcopters and laughing their asses off

[summer mural]

time to watch the exodite

in an hour maybe

is it about wood elves and dinosaurs

[crystal forum]

how would i know

[rocky gale]

Unfortunately not

[summer mural]

sad

[crystal forum]

i only recently learned that wood elves exist in 40k

[rocky gale]

It's barely about Exodites

[summer mural]

oh it looks like its about tau

[rocky gale]

Yea

[summer mural]

at least animations lookin pretty good so far

seeing only tau and tau tech is like being in a completely different setting compared to the baroque mechanical shit the imperium uses

[tight stratus]

I had to read this headline several times to understand.

I never thought about people reading Warhammer while in active war themselves

[hexed orchid]

Thankful they aren't fighting the forces of Nurgle irl

[sick copper]

Ok, serious but dark question bout lore. Seeing as Servitors exist and can be tailored for any specific purpose and Noble family's and govenors are often vile decadent assholes....do Servitor pleasure slaves exist?

[rocky gale]

Yes

[sick copper]

Da fuq

[celest dome]

There are also "toy Servitors" for kids

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

[sick copper]

Wait, as in child sized servitors?

Meaning...omg

[celest dome]

No no, well probably too

But like Servitors that are made to be toys for kids

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/ssleho/the_bookkeepers_skull_shows_that_even_childrens/

[sick copper]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-are-we-the-baddies-surprised-gif-19176339

[celest dome]

Only one of them moved: Gambol, my clown. He stood out with his red hair, whitened skin, blue diamonds stitched over his eyes, and a broad, red smile tattooed upon his face. He rocked back and forth on his sutured haunches, the bells on his harlequin's uniform ringing gently as he scratched at the brass flesh-plug behind his ear. His voice was boyish, despite his adult size.

"Ruddie go?"

"Ruddie go," I said in our childlike pidgin.

He sniffed ostentatiously as a tear rolled down his pockmarked cheek.

"Who Gambol play with?" He pulled an exaggerated sad face and started to sob theatrically. "Gambol sad."

[storm jungle]

They are basically not that different from rich people IRL whos into absolutely awful shit and got the money to afford/hide it.

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

like gandhi

or ...more like ..epstein I guess

[storm jungle]

Gandhi doesnt even scratch the surface tbh

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/gandhi-gandhiji-wwe-mahatma-gandhi-fight-gif-9928432748774061887

[storm jungle]

Theres rich people IRL that run literal slave rings

[summer mural]

tau have too many battlesuits, I cant absorb all the battlesuit lore at once

[sick copper]

Just think, file the wrong file someplace or look at a Commisar or governor in the eye for a second too long and you could end up brain scooped and turned into a child's play thing....truly the Emperor's Vision realized

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[summer mural]

admech is pure evil btw

[storm jungle]

And the excuse for why you end up in that fate can just depend on anything lol

[summer mural]

you should see how quickly the tech priests just find like a single human and decide, " hmm, he has no friends around to stop me, Im just gonna chop him up and use him for parts"

[queen laurel]

i mean could be worse

[storm jungle]

Like I said before

only difference between Mechanicus and Dark Mechanicus is one uses daemons

[sick copper]

Least there ya die fighting...while in indescribable agony...but still!

[summer mural]

oh I finished hammer and bolter btw

garden of ghosts def my favorite of the bunch

[storm jungle]

based

[summer mural]

garden of ghosts, bound for greatness, ol bale eye, artefacts, kill protocol and undercity were the ones I found very good , rest were meh

so 6 out of 16, not bad, could be better

[storm jungle]

yeah that sounds about right for the series

lots of throw-aways

[summer mural]

undercity surprised me

[storm jungle]

The AOS one? Yeah that one is really fun

[summer mural]

hanniver toll was great though, as was the reluctant captain

and their thief pal

[storm jungle]

Yeah they got a big book series, i think the episode does a good job to remind people that AOS still has tons of Warhammer Fantasy elements

down to grungy wooden undercities and other shit

[summer mural]

oh hanniver toll is an established character?

like, outside the ep

[storm jungle]

Yep they both are

[summer mural]

nice

[storm jungle]

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hanniver_Toll

[summer mural]

some of the bad eps were really ridiculous though

like the fuckin genestealer family

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[sick copper]

Since the Warp is a reflection of base Sentient emotions and imaginations...wouldn't 10 millennia of belief make the Emperor manifest in the Warp like the Chaos God's?

[storm jungle]

that one was great imo

[storm jungle]

He basically is slowly

thats a plotpoint in 40k

[summer mural]

look, I liked the we gotta escape this tyrannical hellhole stuff

but the reveal was so goofy

[storm jungle]

dude

the genestealer legit looks like a chibi toy

its SO CUTE

[summer mural]

[sick copper]

So the thing he tried to avoid in life is basically the only real hope for humanity now....great lol

[summer mural]

i think the only episode that completely flew over my head was plague song

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

[summer mural]

which was the nurgle body horror one

like..what happened

[storm jungle]

Yeah that explores the bullshitness of the Warp

where basically tiem doesnt exist

so you can get shit like that where they destroyed the fleet they were ALREADY on their way to the planet for

[summer mural]

but that guy destroyed an entire fleet somehow

[storm jungle]

Basically the plaguesong he unleashed is paranormal in nature

[summer mural]

ohh

[storm jungle]

so it was broadcasted from the ground like the ywere already in the fortress

[queen laurel]

oh my god it's blood berserker wolverine

[rocky gale]

He used the telepathic choir to send the nurgle plague that destroyed the fleet and allowed him to infect the telepathic choir

[storm jungle]

^

its a paranormal time-event essentially

its confusing at first until you realise it

[summer mural]

so did he ever at some point actually have to do a proper fighty invasion of the choir building

[storm jungle]

Yep he did

[summer mural]

ahhh

now it makes sense

[storm jungle]

its basically 2 events overlapping

like ever watch Prisoner of Azkaban?

[summer mural]

ye

[storm jungle]

its like were Harry and Co gotta avoid their past selves

when they were ALSO there in the present

hence why before the time travel device reveal they are like

"Huh, what was that noise?"

THEN we see what it was

like that

[summer mural]

thats some real fuckery in 40k

[storm jungle]

Yep

[summer mural]

considering how casually that guy went about it

[sick copper]

Just realized another thing, Orks and there collective belief in things...so...if we somehow got all the Orks to believe Chaos doesn't exist....would that get rid of Chaos?

[rocky gale]

No

[queen laurel]

no they cannot bend reality it acts like psychic duct tape

like they can make a gun that is poorly built work like a normal one but it still has a chance of blowing up

or make that gunfire off a few more shots before it completely breaks itself

The technology is made out of random materials but it's still materials that have to connect together and make something

it can't just be grabbing a piece of wood and turning it into a laser cannon

[sick copper]

I thought they can make guns that shouldn't work at all work. Like I remember something about tech priests looking at Orky guns and mechanically it shouldn't work as it lacks the parts to function at all

[queen laurel]

It's basically the rawest form of a gun

their technology is just very crude

[sick copper]

If it looks like a duck and they believe it's a duck it'll quack like a duck

[queen laurel]

you can use a ork weapon you know

but on your hands it's just highly unstable

[summer mural]

also is the bull guy in the lucius the eternal episode like an established guy

[storm jungle]

Also basically if they could make anything work from imagination they wouldnt have the need for Ork Meks who actually engineer all their wargear and warmachines.

[storm jungle]

Yep he is, but hes like an OLDDD obscure character lol

[celest dome]

It's lube or glue depending on the situation

[summer mural]

i didnt know slaanesh and ec had affinity for bullheads

[queen laurel]

There is also a character got an ork claw but instead of it exploding on his arm he got his mech buddies to fix it and he uses it no problem

[summer mural]

ah yes

ol bale eye himself

🙏

[sick copper]

So it's more they can unconsciously effect probability?

[queen laurel]

Yeah, again it's just like more like lubricant tape or glue for reality

For example if they paint themselves blue they can have things going their way a bit more than usual

but they cannot fundamentally change hard set coded rules of the universe

[sick copper]

And Da red ones go fasta

[queen laurel]

they cannot bend reality they cannot make a log into a laser cannon

[sick copper]

But if you made the log look and feel like a laser cannon....

[queen laurel]

why bother using a log for a laser cannon when you can just collect scrap and loot from the enemy and make a laser cannon that's way more reliable because it's made out of something tougher

[sick copper]

Like you said, glue or duct tape for reality. So a gun without a firing mechanism could still fire for an Ork if they believe it should.

[queen laurel]

No it needs to have a firing mechanism the gun just won't immediately jam and explode

It's like very limited psychic duct tape that they apply to everything

[sick copper]

That seems like a bit of a retcon, to me it was explained as such but this was a loooong time ago. Or the person more then 10 years ago was wrong?

[celest dome]

Afaik it's just a Power Fist but in the shape of the Ork Power claw

It's not a repaired Power claw

[queen laurel]

Yeah but the construction of ork technology makes it rather very volatile and crude

[rocky gale]

Most people are wrong about it, one of the major problems with 40k lore is someone will exagerate something to make a meme and then it spreads as memelore and everyone just assumes it's canon

[queen laurel]

So he had it like fit him properly and make sure he definitely included more bits

[summer mural]

wonder how fungus beer tastes

[rocky gale]

Ork's collective belief enhances things, it doesn't rewrite the laws of reality. A bunch of Orks running along holding sheets of scrap metal saying "I'm a tank" don't become as tough as a tank.

[queen laurel]

^

[celest dome]

And shouting Pew pew doesn't kill them

[ornate estuary]

Not with that attitude they won't.

[rocky gale]

and painting Orks purple doesn't make them invisible, it's just a meme

[queen laurel]

Red vehicles become faster because their psychic power basically just overdrives the components or blue vehicles fail less

^

[celest dome]

Ad-blue for Orks actually does work

[queen laurel]

Honestly probably the most nonsensical thing they can do with their powers would be the color theory thing

Because I just think they're psychic fields just help them do what they believe each color does

[summer mural]

[ornate estuary]

Are they only asking the iron circle?

[hushed cedar]

Let me guess, Dantioch is the one who disagrees?

[shadow plover]

It refers to how Pert had 10% of hus legion killed

[celest dome]

Yuo

Decimated in punishment

But then after he threw his legion in the worst battles in the worst ways

[shadow plover]

good picture

[hallow saddle]

Slaanjak just dropped

[rose thorn]

I can’t believe warcry got an update

[vital ginkgo]

Why are many horus heresy era dreadnoughts shown as having a helmet piece instead of the flat coffiny thing? Even castraferrums have the helmet thing. Why the change?

[storm jungle]

Because it looks cool

also its a different dreadnaught variant

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dreadnought

[vital ginkgo]

There are castraferrums with it too

So there isn't a lore explanation for it then?

It does look cool but that's not a lore explanation lol

I prefer the coffin look personally

[storm jungle]

I mean it is

its ceremonial

also has some extra targetting arrays

[storm jungle]

Those get given to Venerable ones as veterans

[vital ginkgo]

Lol

Ok so the cofffin is an upgrade

I would've thought it the other way around

Going with the whole thing about the imperium is in decline or whatever

[rocky gale]

Definitely Drukhari

[summer mural]

look more like definitely Lenin to me

[celest dome]

Undeath

[rose thorn]

cities ?

[rocky gale]

I'd say 3 possibilities, new Daughters of Khaine, new Aelf model for Cities or we're finally getting Malerion's Shadow Aelves

[queen laurel]

this radiates nighthaunt

For me

[rocky gale]

The hand looks too human and there's a sleeve

Doesn't strike me as Nighthaunt

It's much more ragged

[celest dome]

The Nighthaunt have human hands

though

[rose thorn]

they dont have nuckles

or well

well defined nuckles like human models

and usually have thinner hands

[celest dome]

They do

[queen laurel]

The blade is too clean and the new guy did have that

[celest dome]

I'm thinking Soulblight Vampire

[rocky gale]

I just don't get a Nighthaunt vibe from it, the cloak, sleeve and blade all look too pristine

[queen laurel]

Yeah too clean

[rose thorn]

lmao

[storm jungle]

Its not.

Venerable Dreads are way more formidable

Coffin-naughts are basic models

[rocky gale]

Librarian dreads also have little heads

[rose thorn]

"oh heey my crab themed city of sigmar i should use a colorscheme thats related to teh cancer zodiac"

every single source says completely different colors

[rose thorn]

is- that a sword hand?

[rocky gale]

Pretty sure they call it a Force Halberd, but yea

[summer mural]

looks more like a dagger hand on the dread

[rocky gale]

Like it's very clearly not a Halberd, but who am I to argue with the nerds at GW

[vital ginkgo]

Oh I see what you're saying

[rose thorn]

it looks so silly\

[storm jungle]

🫡

[rocky gale]

At best it's a type of glaive

Damn I can get that Halberd for only £96, that's a bargain

[summer mural]

Like a full sized one?

[rocky gale]

Yep

[summer mural]

Sick

[rocky gale]

205cm long

[summer mural]

Get it , you can throw it at people

[rocky gale]

Halberds aren't for throwing at people

[summer mural]

And take it to restaurants

Yes but you can

Take it to the park

Unless you prefer sprinting after people with a halberd I dunno

Might as well throw it

[rocky gale]

and then they've got my halberd

and can chase me with it