40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Though it ultimately depends on the cult

And the resources available

[summer mural]

so metamorph hybrids are like

the best genestealer infantry types?

because you get acolytes who look like tyranids, then you get the neophytes who are humanoid

and then they go back to metamorph like tyranids , because I guess its time to go all out in the open

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Metamorphs are 4th and 3rd gen often

They just all of a sudden just end up like that

[summer mural]

the norn siblings seem much more dangerous than the hive tyrants tbh

[rocky gale]

The next Warhammer+ minis have been revealed

[shadow plover]

oh damn

the eldar is fucking great

[summer mural]

whos the guy on the right though

[shadow plover]

I like the skeletons in the AoS one but the dude is quite whatever

just some necromancer probably

[rocky gale]

Yea just a Necromancer

[summer mural]

the eldars back has some nice detail

[rocky gale]

So it's a Spiritseer and a Necromancer, two characters who raise the dead, just with different connotations

[queen laurel]

One controls people using elf gundam the other one uses bones

[spring cairn]

society

[summer mural]

toxicrenes are kinda huge tbh

[rocky gale]

Looks like it's going to be another get both models year

[rocky gale]

Yea he isn't the most interesting part of the mini, you could probably build it without him and just focus on this segment as like a Wight king rising with his retinue.

Like this

[queen laurel]

This guy would go hard on the rock ye

[rocky gale]

No no, I mean the guy coming out of the ground is the Wight King

He's wearing a crown

[queen laurel]

Oh I see

[summer mural]

why dont drukhari have psykers

[rocky gale]

They technically do since all Eldar are psykers, Drukhari just actively supress all their psychic potential

To avoid attention from Slaanesh

[celest dome]

Psykers are more succeptible to Chaos, and She who thirst

[summer mural]

well, it seems drukhari are also more physically capable than aeldari

[paper haven]

Being a drukhari Psyker is a significant occupational hazard

[rocky gale]

Yea because they supress their psychic powers they have to focus more on the physical side than Eldar typically do

[paper haven]

It makes sense. Drukhari make up for the lessened Psyker potential with heightened physical potential

[summer mural]

is this like, the latest vect mini

[rocky gale]

Yep

[summer mural]

seems a tad dated tbh

[rocky gale]

Yep

[paper haven]

Not over the top enough

[summer mural]

well the vehice is..okay, but vect himself looks pretty dated

[rocky gale]

It's over 25 years old and no longer in production

It's also apparently a complete nightmare to build

[summer mural]

youd think theyd give vect a mini

instead of 25 primaris ultramarine lieutenants

[rocky gale]

Nope, nothing for Drukhari

[misty vector]

How do other eldar protect their psykers from chaos?

[rocky gale]

Soulstones

[opaque coyote]

Soul stones

Training

Not being a dumbass

(very difficult)

Eldar are much better Psykers in general

Except the Drukhari

They don't have the ability to use Psyker stuff anymore

Primarily because they don't have the luxury of soulstones

[misty vector]

Ahh okay, i didnt know soul stones could protect them too while theyre alive

[summer mural]

this archon aint so bad, pose is pretty mid imo

the flayed skin cape looks kinda odd too

[rocky gale]

Yea, Drukhari also live in the Webway in Commorragh, where it's much easier to get soul snatched while using psychic powers than it is in real space

[summer mural]

i bet szeras would get along great with haemonculi

[queen laurel]

they hitting that shit yeah

[summer mural]

medusae seem kind of a goofy unit

all they can do is just stare at someone and make them feel anguish?

in combat

[rocky gale]

They basically make you feel such intense emotional pain that your mind collapses and you go into a coma

[summer mural]

yeah but

whats that gonna do to a kastelan

they dont seem particularly armed either

[rocky gale]

Make them feel such intense emotional pain that their mind collapses

[summer mural]

I wonder if they hit a servitor with that, it survives but all that emotional pain triggered personality recall

[celest dome]

What would it do to a Tyranid bioform though

Would it do nothing, or make the Hivemind feel it

[summer mural]

its goofy

[rocky gale]

You're not going to believe this

But it would make them feel such intense emotional pain that their mind collapses

[celest dome]

Like if it's a freed Tyranids it make sense if it just does their regular thing

[summer mural]

they need like some other trick in addition to staring

give them a klaive or something

[rocky gale]

But their purpose is to stare

[summer mural]

well the lore isnt bad

its a jellyfish that looks like a nest of snakes with brains

maybe they can shoot lasers too

[rocky gale]

This is like saying "Yea Guardsman are alright, but they should all have plasma guns instead of lasguns, they'd be stronger if they all just used plasma guns, why don't they all use plasma guns"

[summer mural]

nah guardsmen can fight

they can shoot and stab

[rocky gale]

and the Medusae can stare, that's what it does

[summer mural]

let it like, explode whatever it stares at

[rocky gale]

Why?

[summer mural]

also, does it even work on ironkin

[rocky gale]

Yes

I'd understand your point if Medusae were a standard battle line unit for the Drukhari, but they aren't. They're a very specialised elite case designed to do one single thing

[summer mural]

I suppose if you get like 60 of them together and drop them on a frontline, they could probably immobilize an organic army much faster than a 100 kabalite warriors

[pearl brook]

Most people are always in awe in regards to the crazy mental toughness, physical strength, healing factor, acid spitting and a the other super human crap space marine bodies can do. But alot of that shit is unrelateable to a normal human. The average person doesnt need a betchers gland or a black carapace to be lethal. Give him access to an artillery piece and he'll be lethal enough.

No, what impresses me the most is how little sleep the average space marine needs to function on a very high combat level for days, or even weeks, in extreme circumstances months.

If i sleep less than 8 hours (like tonight, thx very much, nightmares), i am and feel and perform the next day like a wet towl.

Meanwhile the space marine has slept 3 hours in the last 7 days and is still combat ready

[summer mural]

well

the not needing food part is crazy though

[rocky gale]

Also the main purpose of the Medusae is it's fruit, the anguish beam is just how it aquires sensations to provide said fruit

Drukhari don't keep Medusae to kill everything, they keep them to harvest their fruit

[summer mural]

well yes, its a recreational activity for the drukhari

and it is in the court of the archon

rather than being in a battle formation of some kind

[rocky gale]

So the answer to why doesn't it have other weapons is because they want it to use the emotional beam to grow fruit

[green loom]

He's probably slept a lot more

Marines can like partially sleep and shit

[summer mural]

they do get beds in their little rooms

[green loom]

Shut off parts of the brain to rest

Real weird crap

[summer mural]

do tech priests ever sleep though

can they even lie down without needing to remove half their body

i guess they sleep standing up

[green loom]

Don't need to

[pearl brook]

Some do

Uriel Ventris chamber on macgragge is described having a bed

[vagrant fox]

it depends emote
Varies on how borged up they are I'm sure

[summer mural]

well

the marine rooms in sm2 had a bed iirc

[vagrant fox]

A little cell with a tiny shelf and a bed, perfect

[summer mural]

and you get a wall to hang up your medals

[rocky gale]

Wish I could do that

[pearl brook]

Irrc Ventris room is described as having a bed, two chairs, a small table and a grey gunmetal locker

[summer mural]

the second chair is for his ego

[pearl brook]

No, its for passanius

Who comes over regularly with wine

[summer mural]

[pearl brook]

Read the sextology, its really good

Six books with pretty decent ultramarine lore

[summer mural]

mandrakes are a cool unit

also their lore is dope

and so is their kill team

which seems much more recent than most of the roster

judging by the art

[shadow plover]

well it is

an year old iirc

prior that the incubi got a new release in 9th edition

[rocky gale]

Our last two releases have both been Killteam

Mandrakes and Hand of the Archon, which was an upgrade sprue for regular Kabalites

[summer mural]

is that the one with kabalite agents and the medic

exelicator?

exicator?

i forget

the medic

[summer mural]

elixicant

yeah there he is

is the leader a sybarite or a dracon

[rocky gale]

They're an Archsybarite

We don't have any Dracon models anymore

[summer mural]

ive seen better kill teams ngl

[rocky gale]

Eh it's nice, adds some new weapons, heads/helmets and allows you to spice up your Kabalites

Shame there aren't rules for those new weapons in 40k but what can you do

[summer mural]

was the skysplinter assassin not part of the new kabalites

[rocky gale]

Yea, that pic isn't all of them

[summer mural]

this guy

[summer mural]

i gotta say

I watched ep 1 of hammer and bolter, deaths hand

I think I understood like..10% of it

why did the inquisitor kill his buddy arturo

why are there 2 officio assassins after him

why is there an eldar in his retinue

and did the tarot cards just predict his death or was there more to it

[median star]

because he was onto him

[median star]

he was going off the walls trying to change his own destiny while the whole time only making it a self fulfilling prophecy

[median star]

he thought theyd he useful

[summer mural]

well it makes more sense now

I guess he was consulting eldar, so arturo was mad at him

and so was whoever sent the assassins after him

also was arturo an inquisitor

[median star]

either that or a rogue trader dont remember

regardless that pretty much sealed his fate when he killed him

[summer mural]

probably an inquisitor

he had two arbitrators with him, I mean rogue traders can have those, but seems more likely he was an inquisitor

although he didnt wear the inquisitor badge anywhere iirc

so maybe he was a rt

[rose thorn]

redditors dream come true

[storm jungle]

Lmao where is that leak from

[rose thorn]

its from the new warcom article

[storm jungle]

uagh

[rose thorn]

yeah

shitttttttttt my favorite chapter

[rocky gale]

Iron Snake shoulderpad lets gooooo

[rose thorn]

red scorpion, medusas, storm wardens, iron hands

red talons

another, talon?

[surreal nest]

Wow

[rose thorn]

aos W

[surreal nest]

This is fucking awesome hello

[rose thorn]

as per usual

[surreal nest]

Wait how is the new model of the year revealed already

Is it too late to get the last one now?

[rocky gale]

Doesn't change over until like September

[rose thorn]

no

[surreal nest]

Oh ok good

I want the inquisitor but I signed up in November

[rose thorn]

this is the free mini you get, if you have warhammer plus you can buy the older minis staright up

while they are in stock

[surreal nest]

Well i still haven't been able to redeem my free one for this year

[rocky gale]

Was talking about the Necromancer earlier, I unironically think it looks better without the Necromancer

[rose thorn]

weird, i think it looks better without the wright king

[surreal nest]

This is gonna sound stupid but im really tired of painting feet

So i dont really like that model front and center

[rocky gale]

[rose thorn]

wh-what army

[surreal nest]

Skaven

[rose thorn]

oh

paws

[surreal nest]

These motherfuckers cannot wear shoes it is all toe

I hate it

[rose thorn]

lmao

[rose thorn]

i think it takes too much focus off the necromancer-

who i love, it reminds me of the guy from princesss and the frog

[rocky gale]

Wonder if I how hard it would be to build them separately

Like have the Barrow guard and the Wight on the diorama base and just put the Necromancer on a seperate base

[surreal nest]

Im so brainrotted I can't fucking take it I saw these two heads for deathwatch and immediately conjured up this image

These faces are hideous oh my god

[rose thorn]

have the wright lik eontop a hill maybe have the horse come out of the grounf at the same time

[nocturne crest]

I just recently realised, but if any company made a 40k game like COD or BF, people are going to want a Battle Royale mode for it.

[rose thorn]

...?

[celest dome]

Not necessarily

[queen laurel]

he realized that if a warhammer game that is a first person shooter a battle Royale mode will be pretty obvious choice

[celest dome]

Well majorly depend on what they're spinning upon

[rose thorn]

OHHH

i thought they meant if call of duty of battle field made a 40k game there would be a battle royal mode

my bad

[celest dome]

It's more that if they make a Battle Field 40k, some people are going to ask for a BR mode (like how CoD has introduced one in a past game

[rocky gale]

Horse?

[nocturne crest]

Thing is, there are streamers complaining that because BF6 is slowing movement down, it's not going to make the battle royale fun

[rose thorn]

for like, the wright lord/king on steed?

[queen laurel]

People that are complaining about that are looking for a cod alternative that is not cod

[rocky gale]

Oh, no just a regular Wight king

[rose thorn]

ahh my bad

[queen laurel]

battlefield was not about its movement in the 1st place

[nocturne crest]

Exactly.

[rocky gale]

But no I'd keep the Wight and skeletons as is in the model, it's the Necromancer I'd remove and put on a seperate base

[rose thorn]

any necromancer model is better than the official one rn

[celest dome]

Some are asking to do what can be called the same with Darktide

[summer mural]

omg I saw bound for greatness, the book counter episode of hammer and bolter what in the name of the emprah that was really good

[rocky gale]

I can't even use a Necromancer in my army, since I plan on using Barrow Legion and it's only Deathrattle units, but still nice to have a Necromancer

Even if their rules aren't great

[storm jungle]

Basically the message is dont be a nerd

[summer mural]

that was significant improvement over ep1

and angels of death

" TO REASON IS TO CONSIDER LIES"

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/that70s-show-kitty-drinks-drinking-day-chill-gif-16669162

[storm jungle]

Low bar but agreed

its such a shit series lol

[summer mural]

yeah it was pretty bad

[rose thorn]

greyseer from the new aos show trailer

[summer mural]

tithes and hammer and bolter is good though so far

im watching the hb ep with the orks

[storm jungle]

Yarrick's one is really fun

[rose thorn]

i really like the AOS ones, they are all really good

(i sound liek a broken record)

[queen laurel]

he needs to snort more drugs

[rose thorn]

hes so puppy coded wtf

i bet he feels liek a new born puppy lmao

[summer mural]

oh shit they have a diagram of yarrick as the legendary ork killer

[storm jungle]

Hes the peak for a reason

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if GW could make a Warhammer version of Holdfast or BF work, but with every warhammer universe in it at the same time.

Like having fantasy or AoS modes alongside HH or 40k.

[celest dome]

That's a hellish scope

[rocky gale]

Yea like just making a game like that which covers all the major factions of a single one of those settings is a massive amount of work

[nocturne crest]

That's true.

[summer mural]

the space wolves aspirant was kinda mid

[celest dome]

Alsobthe files sizes

[rocky gale]

Worlds first 3 TB game

[celest dome]

Much better to do a series of game that hit each setting on its own, much easier scope to do, and more sensible

[queen laurel]

I think the only game where they can include every warhammer faction safely would be RTS or strategy games

[storm jungle]

Checks out

marine centric episode

[celest dome]

I mean, you do realise that 1 game series has done like half of the list already

Tides need only AoS and HHand they'll have the trifecta equivalent of 4

[queen laurel]

Yeah fantasy has Total War 40k has plenty of strategy games like dawn of war and gladius, now we only need the ones in AOS and now the three settings have games that represent them best

[summer mural]

green aspect warriors are striking scorpions right

[celest dome]

I wouldn't really consider Total War and DoW tbh, they're different enough that they're not by themselves covering both setting but each covering 1 setting in their own different way

[queen laurel]

what i mean is like a game free AOS similar that covers every faction and is a strategy

A game series covering every warhammer verse would be sick

[celest dome]

Total War might cover 2 of the 3/4 setting with thr 40k one being rumoured abouf

[celest dome]

A DoW (or better yet one like LotR:BfME2) AoS would be stellar

[queen laurel]

yeah it would be sick

[celest dome]

As much as I would equally love an AoS TW, I feel like the lack of set maps kind of make it hard to envision

Not to say that such maps are impossible to do, they're tricky but not impossible, but rather that they're not defined yet, and I doubt that GW would appreciate it being defined that much

[storm jungle]

the ones with dreads and claws yes

[summer mural]

In the garden of ghosts is just

so good

[queen laurel]

i guess that's true with old world you just have to put in old world with AOS you have multiple realms multiple times the size of old the world

[summer mural]

whomever wrote in the garden of ghosts should write all 40k content

[storm jungle]

Only episode where I legit cried

it got me bad lol

[summer mural]

its really good

im still thinking about it

[storm jungle]

I showed it to a friend of mine who didnt like Eldar much

and by the end he was like:

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

genuinely priceless

[summer mural]

i dont even feel like watching the next one anymore lol

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Thats how empty i felt too yeah 💀

[summer mural]

the one time im glad they used ultramarines instead of another chapter

[storm jungle]

Same

also just the entire:

[celest dome]

Aye that's the tricky part (making a more skirmish based rts easier), but the other problem is that most of the realm aren't really as developed as battle fantasy's map was

[storm jungle]

"YOUR CRAFTWORLD BURNS, ALIEN!"
"...How proud you must be, of your ability to commit atrocity."

fuck, so good

[summer mural]

IKR

still, even eldar centric episode needed avatar of khaine to melt

[storm jungle]

Yep it did

that episode got a lot of flak for the usual eldar punting but the emotional care at least saves it.

I think this would be a lot worse to read, its way better as a visual media, really puts some ideas into perspective that way

[summer mural]

yeah the eldar music helps too

[storm jungle]

Yeah that elven choir as that warlock kid is going through the ghost memories of the ruined garden is... man

[summer mural]

the parents

" I stood my ground...I die-I died..did my boy make it"

[storm jungle]

GOD

"Yes. He did."

https://tenor.com/view/lewissaunderson38-lewissaunderson-cry-crying-cry-meme-gif-11499408157122608476

onto more fun/goofy episodes hopefully

[tough haven]

What about ones that don’t share a primarch

[summer mural]

yeah im watching kill protocol now, that one seems good

[tough haven]

The situation is that a raven guard is trapped in the nihilus without any of his chapter and has resigned to the fact that the rift’s not closing any time soon

[summer mural]

in general I tend to enjoy the setting of post apocalyptic/ruined urban environment

[tough haven]

And wants some brotherhood by joining the Absolvers

[summer mural]

the traitorous scumbag

[tough haven]

For as much as he knows his chapter is gone

[summer mural]

just let him hang out with the absolvers and keep his colors

[tough haven]

The imperium might be gone

[summer mural]

his chapter cant be gone, hes still alive 🫡

" AS LONG AS EVEN ONE RAVEN GUARD LIVES"

[celest dome]

Well there are the theories that the Lost and the Purged's Space Marines were pushed to the Ultramarines

Don't think we've had confirmations of SM joining other legions before

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195404877688602624/1409563301943316560/image0.jpg?ex=68add59f&is=68ac841f&hm=3e1ce44025e68212ef34254bf4c0824755fd37742d7f6754b35c3af22092db4f&

It’s peak

AoS one is also cool

[rocky gale]

[rocky gale]

However

[tough haven]

I just realized, the vanguard character in my campaign that just died and was just introduced, I introduced them by having a tech priest rendition of Geppeto ask the party if they'd take his creation with them for safekeeping and had a really emotional display for a tech priest where he basically tells the skitarii that this is what he was made for, to go out and do good in the galaxy. .....and then he was brutally murdered by daemons
I dont know about you but I am NOT going to be the one to deliver the body
I cant tell Legally distinct Geppeto that his son died the instant he entrusted him to us

"Hey uh, wheres my creation"
"Oh we found him a nice paradise world to live on"

[arctic talon]

Okay that alt build is really good lol

[summer mural]

the artefacts episode was baller

how did trazyn trap them though

did he trap both chaos terminators and the drukhari

[arctic talon]

He used a labyrinth

[storm jungle]

All of them yes. As you saw in the flash of possibilities sometimes the druks murder them and sometimes the terminators kill them, or they both die.

[arctic talon]

A tesseract labyrinth

[summer mural]

also did the necron who baited them in the beginning actually believe there was a webway red herring there or did he know he was sending them to trazyn

[arctic talon]

We don’t know genuinely

[summer mural]

fair enough

[arctic talon]

The cron isn’t from the same dynasty as trazyn

So they can’t be from solomance

[summer mural]

makes sense

[storm jungle]

Very likely a memory of HOW they get there ingrained into them which they experience every time they are "reset" and in reality they are permanently stuck inside the arena that is the spacehulk.

[summer mural]

yeah

because they never choose to not explore it , since they have no reason not to

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly lol

Tesseract labryinths also can house like entire battallions of people or hivefleets inside them so it can be basically anything

I love bullshit necon science

[summer mural]

trazyn is a special bullshitter for sure

[storm jungle]

🙏

https://tenor.com/view/trazyn-the-infinite-warhammer-40k-gif-17198857275038458751

horny ass

[summer mural]

[tough haven]

hot

[spring cairn]

have u tried the new chars on deadpeak ?

@arctic talon

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[spring cairn]

from very awesome to extremely awesome how do you like doorman

[queen laurel]

A key kolder that double as a pistol is peak

[spring cairn]

doorman has the best lines and delivery I heard in a game in a very long time

[rose thorn]

my statistics teacher asked me if im realted to my uncle who is in prison

gulp

[queen laurel]

how does someone who teach statistic come to ask you about your relations with your uncle who is in prison

[rose thorn]

he saw my name from the random name puller thing

[queen laurel]

alright that makes sense

[rose thorn]

adn i have a very unique last name

[arctic talon]

Very Awesome, extremely good voicelines and design and kit lol

[spring cairn]

i can't get enough doorman matches

i need more

[arctic talon]

His ult feels a little under tuned rn

But it’s still very strong

[spring cairn]

valve giving deadlock portals and the ice gun from the wip ep3 is peak valve i can't even

[tough haven]

I just got back on deadlock

and its sooo much more polished

its really coming along

hope they work on balance soon though

[arctic talon]

I’m gona be real with you

It’s an icefrog MOBA

70/30 matchups are considered acceptable

lol

[tough haven]

and maybe more ease of access to new players, cause Ive seen a lot of friends of mine try to pick it up and struggle hard

[tough haven]

Fair

but a lot of times it doesnt feel that way

[arctic talon]

The classic MOBA issue

Tbh

No one has ever solved the onboarding issue for MOBAs

[tough haven]

Once you understand a good chunk of the shitton of content and mechanics you can be like "Oh I see how I lost that matchup and how they killed me in 3 seconds"

[crystal forum]

when will we get a quality team fps

that isn't an overwatch clone

[arctic talon]

For sure

[tough haven]

But a new player will have that happen and just be like "alright I'm out"

[arctic talon]

I mean it’s something you ultimately need to learn/endure

[tough haven]

Cause the right combination of items can feel genuinely unplayable against

until you learn deeper mechanics or item counters

[rocky gale]

Recently got into League as like my first Moba and yea, it was many hours of "What the hell am I doing" and people telling me to get cancer when I ask what I'm supposed to do

[arctic talon]

Yeah but that’s just a MOBA moment

For better or for worse

[spring cairn]

i hate moba's and love deadlock, original ik and yeah i'm struggling

but i find out new tech every match

[arctic talon]

Deadlock is the best 3rd person MOBA by far lol

it’s not even close

[tough haven]

So far I have had a great experience with deadlock

[arctic talon]

Me listening to someone scream at me in a language I don’t recognize on DOTA 2 ranked

💀

Deadlock being a closed beta helps rn

[tough haven]

and classic valve the worldbuilding and universe is just chef's kiss

I want to know more about it it feels so captivating

[arctic talon]

Because if you’re a toxic shithead you might just get taken out back and fed to icefrog

[crystal forum]

why are moba communities so toxic

[arctic talon]

Heavily team reliant, competitive by nature, game is extremely complex

[rocky gale]

"Why didn't you ward pixel?"

"I'm sorry, I don't even know what a ward is"

"Is this your first game?"

"Yes"

"Then FF right now"

"I don't know what that means"

[arctic talon]

Yeah that sounds about right

[shadow plover]

the games degrade the brains of their players

[arctic talon]

Can confirm

Am a MOBA player

[tough haven]

I only had one guy be kinda toxic on my morning of deadlock

[crystal forum]

i used to hang around LoL players in highschool even though i never played it

[tough haven]

He was like "why the fuck are you playing like that"

[crystal forum]

those people sucked

[arctic talon]

But my main issue with deadlock rn is just

Idfk

[tough haven]

and the guy was like "this is my first game, I dont even know whats going on"

[arctic talon]

Lane I guess? lol?

[tough haven]

and he was like, oh sorry

and started teaching him

[tough haven]

How so?

[arctic talon]

Lane mechanics in deadlock are weird as fuck

[tough haven]

Thats true

[arctic talon]

The turrets are extremely underpowered

Even compared to Dota

[tough haven]

ooh actually

[arctic talon]

They basically offer 0 actual protection lol

[tough haven]

what if you could buy upgrades for the turrets

[arctic talon]

Would be a waste

Imo

[tough haven]

actually wait yeah

nvm

bad idea

[arctic talon]

The big thing for turrets rn is that like

[tough haven]

so easily cheesable

or easily shredded

[arctic talon]

Valve can’t seem to decide if they want the turret to be a net of safety

In deadlock lol

As in the guardian

The walker is absolutely a net of safety

[tough haven]

its threatening for like 10m of the early game

then its just a minor annoyance

[tough haven]

true

[arctic talon]

Less tbh

[tough haven]

walker can fuck you up if you play too agressive

[arctic talon]

You can take cover against it

And it loses aggro

It’s super easy to juggle aggro while diving lol

[tough haven]

I learned how in my first 10m of the game

[arctic talon]

And it lacks ramp up like Dota or league turrets

so like

Lmao

[tough haven]

I'm sure devs will work oni t

rn I feel like they got bigger fish to fry

but I'm sure it will be looked at

[arctic talon]

I mean it’s likely to stay this way

Imo

[rocky gale]

League turrets are racist though

[arctic talon]

I think deadlock is pretty good rn already

[tough haven]

Tbh yeah

its near perfect imo

[arctic talon]

League turrets are by far the most dangerous turrets in any MOBA lol

It’s hilarious how dangerous they are

[tough haven]

I'd be ok with that really

I'm cool with players needing to be the main threats and the turrets are just meant to be a thorn in the side

or to deal with npcs

[arctic talon]

Oh also creeps are strong as hell in deadlock lol

Those troopers hurt

[spring cairn]

i learned that the hard way when i started

[arctic talon]

Getting gunned down in NYC by a candle

[spring cairn]

doorman interactions are peak

[arctic talon]

#1 rage baiting eldritch god

lol

[spring cairn]

in his ult he can't help it but go back to his nature of tormenting people

[shadow plover]

I kinda wanna try deadlock again but I enjoyed it more when people were still relatively unfamiliar with the higher end active item usage and I really didn't like how those started to steer how the games went

though I don't know if it has changed since then

[arctic talon]

Active items aren’t as extremely dominating now

With the item rework

[rocky gale]

Played a game yesterday where I got shot after hitting an enemy under tower, so left it's radius and then walked back in with a wave of minions, tower still shot me and then as I was leaving it's range again it shot and executed me.

Then in same game enemy Fiora just launched at me under tower without minions, combo move kills me all the way from full and leaves without taking a single tower shot.

[arctic talon]

Though some characters are more reliant on them

[shadow plover]

That's good at least

[arctic talon]

Characters like Pocket or warden basically need an active item

But like Infernus literally does not give a shit lol

[shadow plover]

have they changed my boy Bebop in any way

[arctic talon]

He’s about the same as he’s always been

Tbh

[shadow plover]

good

[arctic talon]

Ultimate pub stomper lol

Gun bebop is better now

[shadow plover]

neat

I used to play gun bebop more but then started to focus on big bomb

[arctic talon]

Can’t believe they nerfed Lash smh my head

Taking away his ult always stunning

It was balanced I swear

[shadow plover]

is echo shard still the bomb

[queen laurel]

I have seen people play Boombop in which they place enough bombs on themselves to level a skyscraper and then run head first into the enemy

for some reason this pisses people off

[shadow plover]

you can place them on yourself now?

[shadow plover]

what the hell

that wasn't a thing a year ago was it

[queen laurel]

I'm merely an outsider watching what I see to evaluate whether I want to play the game or not but i'm pretty sure no

it was either the enemy or ally

[shadow plover]

yeah I used to stick them to lil dudes and swing them on to the enemies

was good fun

or allies

without their consent

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/ML8lcvx2uAA?si=16rMHXefggxpM81p yes some people are apparently doing this little funny thing where they strap enough bombs on themselves to level the city block and then just run head first into the enemy

[shadow plover]

good shit

make reddittors mad

[arctic talon]

Yes

[shadow plover]

Good

the fucking salty kids lmao

[spring cairn]

i mean when you start the game and you don't know jack about shit and you get hit by this it's understandable

he's a literal noob bully

[arctic talon]

Bebop is designed to torment new players

[surreal nest]

Why is this UI so familiar

Ohhh deadlock sick

[surreal nest]

Yeah the meta isnt very fun from what ive been witnessing. No thanks!

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-crouching-crouch-infernus-tbagging-gif-12697938362154204732

[arctic talon]

Meta is fine mostly

Imo

It’s about what I expected from a valve MOBA lol

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/ivy-dance-deadlock-gargoyle-wings-gif-14395078240533540499

[arctic talon]

shame they got rid of being able to freeze a lane forever

Was funny denying people farm

For 15 minutes straight

Because it’s right by my walker

[surreal nest]

I dont doubt its well balanced it just doesn't seem like my type of game

[arctic talon]

Fair

Well it’s not that well balanced tbh

But it’s a valve MOBA

Icefrog has condemned us to his glorious vision

[queen laurel]

what about Mo & Krill. are they good or what

[arctic talon]

They’re good

If you’re cordinated

Otherwise meh

The ult can’t kill on its own anymore really

[queen laurel]

What about Billy

[arctic talon]

Billy is a noob stomper

lol

He literally just preys on people who don’t know how to stay away

Or parry

[queen laurel]

and abrams?

[arctic talon]

Fine

Splitpush/1v1 menace

Prolly bad in actual coordinated play but that doesn’t exist in deadlock

So he’s kind of a terrorist lol

[queen laurel]

Great the three interesting characters that appeals to my tastes and specialize in being up close and CC ain't the best

[arctic talon]

I mean Mo and Krill is good

You’re just reliant on having team mates with at least 5 brain cells

To identify the person you’re ulting, to aim at the person you’re ulting, to shoot at the person you’re ulting, and to keep shooting until they’re dead

[queen laurel]

OK what about sir get down warden

[arctic talon]

He’s strong as fuck rn

lol

[opaque coyote]

So I was thinking of my Khornate PMC to actually be based off of traditional navy rankings.

But as a genuine question. What are the Imperium Navy rankings? Do they follow like USA Navy rankings or are they different?

I know, Lexicanum, but I want to hear it from y'all because I like talking with all of you

@queen laurel even you, you big fucking green bell pepper looking ass.

[queen laurel]

i'm like the last guy you should ask for navy rankings though

[static wren]

can you do the funny mo and krill one shot spirit spin still

felt like jaws

[opaque coyote]

Hm true.

Not sure it'd even fit anyways cause again, Khornate.

I do still want it to be organized though

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Like to reflect a proper military rather than most Khornate people

Which are just

Uh... Ork tier in terms of choosing their rankings

"Biggest is the strongest"

Thought about just copying Imperial Navy rankings cause most of them are human

A few Xenos in there, but I doubt most want to join the raving band of psychopaths and sociopaths that kill for materials and their God

And also make piles of skulls to sacrifice to said God

I imagined like literal Skull totems being around casually with satanic/chaotic symbols all around

Similar to how company buildings sometimes have abstract art statues that just... are there

[humble shoal]

Isnt the general answer whatever tf the writer wants

[opaque coyote]

Maybe

I like to base it off of something though

[humble shoal]

Use us navy rankings then

[opaque coyote]

Also I plan to actually have it be this fucking

Clean ass corporate aesthetic.

[humble shoal]

But change rear admiral lower half to the old phrase

"Commodore"

[opaque coyote]

Also on a completely off topic note

I swear at least 1000 slaves must die by slipping on something in Chaos ships

Like Everytime you see them they're usually caked in something

Blood and gore usually

Stink and moss for Nurgle

Etc.

Example: https://youtu.be/_bGF35ZgF3k?si=nk_o-zonnZybEwKp

Like bro how are you supposed to fucking walk without slipping

Do all the Chaos Gods have to make every room the equivalent to a College Student's room but with gore and viscera instead of dirty clothes and textbooks?

Make the floor not slippery at least

Tzeentch isn't even free from that

[rocky gale]

Simply be better

[valid needle]

They take heavy inspiration from original imperial fist organisation when they had marshals and Lord castellans etc etc

[celest willow]

what happens to a chaos worshipper when they die

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/ivan-drago-rocky-mad-boxing-gif-12740361343431073274

[queen laurel]

it can depend

eaten by demons

Revived later by chaos

[celest willow]

damn even if you sell your soul to them

sheesh

[storm jungle]

Damn

almost just like IRL myth you shouldnt trust daemons

[rocky gale]

Yea they eat your soul because you sold it

Why did you think they were buying it

[queen laurel]

well what did you expect serving a faction literally called chaos

[storm jungle]

[celest willow]

to add to there table top collection?

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

You don't eat that?

[celest willow]

only a little nibble at a time

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-eat-eating-food-monster-h-reginald-gif-2362901127389079325

[opaque coyote]

Now imagining a Daemon going to subway

"Yeah can I have Soul sandwich with extra blood."

[rocky gale]

Me to my opponents everytime I win

[opaque coyote]

"Hold the pickles."

[opaque coyote]

I mean you could trust a Khornate Daemon.

Mainly because they probably wouldn't make a deal

They would just fucking kill you

[storm jungle]

no

[rocky gale]

Meatball marinara on Italian herb and cheese with double gherkins goes hard though

[opaque coyote]

True

That's mainly because meatball subs are good

Subway sandwiches are kinda bland unless if you idk

Put a bunch of spicy sauce

[rocky gale]

You're US though right, so like our Subway and yours is completely different recipes

[celest willow]

tzeench daemons are the most trustworthy cause yk your gonna get back stabbed no matter what

[opaque coyote]

I mean US Subway bread is legally classified as cake in Britain and Ireland due to how much sugar there is

[opaque coyote]

Honestly the worst part is that I bet some actually follow through on their deals

Just to fuck with people further

[rocky gale]

Like they legally had to change their recipes in order to operate here because of higher food safety standards

[opaque coyote]

Because you won't know if they actually will backstab you or not

[opaque coyote]

I wish the USA had ghat

[rocky gale]

and that yea

[opaque coyote]

RFK Jr, despite being the worst possible person in his position.

I do agree with him on one thing. A lot of shit in our foods are basically poison

...

[celest willow]

imagine excepting to get betrayed just for the daemon to leave you alone tell you die so you stay living under constant paranoia

[opaque coyote]

It's too bad that he is again

A seriously deranged asshole

And also hitting the wrong areas

The high amounts of corn syrup we use? The worsening quality of even fast food? The lack of vegetables?

Nah

Let's restrict rna vaccines!

Fucking jackass

The most ironic part is that I'm currently eating corn on the cob

[arctic talon]

Also the US version has way more sugar

[opaque coyote]

The worst part is that it doesn't even taste sweet

Not that I want it to

Why

Just

Just fucking make regular bread man

[celest willow]

how did we go from talking about heretics to food products

[opaque coyote]

Because the food safety standards in the USA might as well be controlled by Chaos

At least we get bigger drink sizes

Mmmm liquid corn syrup

My favorite

The worst part is that most of our soda doesn't even have actual sugar in it

It's mostly corn syrup

[queen laurel]

this the lore chat way

[opaque coyote]

Kill corpos

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk2077-keanu-we-have-a-city-to-burn-handsome-shades-off-gif-16336796

[humble shoal]

No politics, but RFK is literally pink from the wall album

Worms ate his brain

[opaque coyote]

Also, on yet another unrelated note.

I really fucking wish we got swords that weren't katanas. God dammit Arasaka.

[opaque coyote]

I legitimately don't think it should be political to say that RFK Jr shouldn't be in charge of our FUCKING HEALTH DEPARTMENT

DID NURGLE PUT HIM THERE

[humble shoal]

the main reason why its political is some people disagree with you (dumb or not), and the discussion pushes us away from 40k

[opaque coyote]

Also, moving away from actual politics

I think that like

The projectile launcher arm cybernetic is probably the most useless

Out of the four you can get

Like it's a shame too since Edgerunners and other media show it basically being an extremely effective grenade launcher

But in game it feels like I should've just thrown a regular frag grenade

And it's a shame since it's the only arm cybernetic that isn't like

A melee weapon

Haven't tried monowire

But Gorilla arms and Mantis Blades?

Fun as shit

[humble shoal]

Run 0 cybernetics

No chrome psychosis

[opaque coyote]

I'm sorry but I need that double jump

If I can't run across buildings like it's mirror edge

Then what's the point

Jokes aside, I do hope that in the new game

We go outside of Night City

Like Night City is cool as fuck

But I genuinely wish we went to some other places for like a dlc

Also more melee weapons

The choice is surprisingly limited

Why is the only sword

A katana

Where are the longswords

I get that Arasaka is like the most oppressive corp

But nobody else tried to make European style swords a thing?

Imagine how cool a claymore would be

[celest willow]

fellas would you say that angron is a bad guy

yes or no

[humble shoal]

Hes a mad man

[opaque coyote]

Yes

100%

[storm jungle]

Yes?

what lmao

[humble shoal]

Wouldnt call him a guy anymore

[opaque coyote]

Only the most deranged fans would say he isn't an awful person let's be fair here

[humble shoal]

Hes like 30 feet tall

[celest willow]

ok here me out tho he kinda lacks free will

[storm jungle]

he doesnt

he could have ended his life at any time

[celest willow]

in the sense that he was drugged up 24/7

[storm jungle]

he just chose to be a attack dog

[opaque coyote]

He did have free will though.

[humble shoal]

He just decided to make his existence everyones problem

[storm jungle]

He also willingly abused and butchered his own Legion into being even bigger killers than they already were.

everything that happened to him is almost entirely his fault

[humble shoal]

Rip kharn

[storm jungle]

fuck Kharn lmao

[opaque coyote]

The Butchers Nails are cruel in that it still allows clarity.

It wasn't his choice to become somebody that needs to kill to feel any sort of calm.

But it was his choice to make it a fucking problem for EVERYONE.

[storm jungle]

hes about as worse

[celest willow]

cant that be blamed at the butchers nails

[storm jungle]

No lol

[humble shoal]

No thanks too much blood

[storm jungle]

no

[opaque coyote]

It's like abusing a partner and being like

[storm jungle]

the Nails didnt force him to turn his legion into what they are

[opaque coyote]

"It wasn't me, it was my mental illness"

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^

[opaque coyote]

Angron is the same

[storm jungle]

best explanation

the fandom really wants to like

tragedy-cope angron

he was always a monster

[humble shoal]

He is the definition of the cycle of abuse

[hallow plover]

Space marines did have gene daddy issues

[celest willow]

ok but there that and theres having constant rage meth being poured in your head

[opaque coyote]

I like Angron precisely because he reminds me of some... bad experiences

It's cathartic in a weird way.

[storm jungle]

He still chose to do what he did

[humble shoal]

He also chose to inflict that upon his whole legion

[arctic talon]

Angron did not have to tell his legion to mutilate themselves lol

He chose to say that

[celest willow]

while under a constant influnce

[storm jungle]

Yeah to kill

not abuse his legion

and tell them to mutilate themselves

and turn to chaos

and doom billions of planets

lol

[opaque coyote]

Didn't say that the choice wasn't hard.

Or that it's an optimal situation.

But he didn't have to tell his soldiers to basically become suicidal attack dogs, abuse them, and then turn to chaos

[humble shoal]

But but he did a gladiator salute to that ome guardsman

[arctic talon]

lol

[celest willow]

yall remember he was supposed to be a healer primarch right?

[storm jungle]

Yeah and so?

[arctic talon]

It doesn’t matter

[storm jungle]

The Nails just give you a killer instinct/urge

[humble shoal]

Healers can be dicks

[opaque coyote]

Doesn't matter.

[storm jungle]

it doesnt control your mind

[arctic talon]

Angron chose everything he did after he got the nails

[storm jungle]

^

[humble shoal]

Just like petty man baby

[arctic talon]

Angron actively chose

[storm jungle]

Hes a cunt that got what was coming to him

[arctic talon]

To do the things he did

[storm jungle]

even if he didnt have the Nails he'd join Horus and eventually damn himself

[arctic talon]

His rebellion was doomed from the start

He never tried to establish an actual rebellion

[opaque coyote]

Basically

Circumstances in life make people suffer.

But people choose to let it turn them into a continuation

[arctic talon]

It was entirely blind rage

[celest willow]

didnt vulkan crack his skull and see only the nails

[humble shoal]

Which primarch had the least agency?

[crystal forum]

angron chose to stay pissed at the emperor instead of moving on and accepting his sons

[humble shoal]

Probably magnus or lorgar

[arctic talon]

No it only replaced 30% of his brain

[opaque coyote]

Angron is basically a tale of cyclical abuse

He got trauma

[arctic talon]

Angron is the cycle of abuse

[opaque coyote]

He passed it onto others

[arctic talon]

Except he’s also an abuser

He’s the drunk son of a drunk father

[celest willow]

yeah I wouldnt really say he was in control

[arctic talon]

Who makes his own sons drunk

[opaque coyote]

A lot of abusers (not every abuser ofc) were victims at first

[arctic talon]

He was still making decisions consciously explicitly

[humble shoal]

He was more in control than magnus/lorgar

[arctic talon]

^

[humble shoal]

[arctic talon]

Magnus was damned from the start

[opaque coyote]

He still made conscious decisions and had periods of lucidity

[celest willow]

core memory unlocked

[opaque coyote]

He wasn't drugged 24/7

[arctic talon]

Angron never regretted shit

[humble shoal]

Lorgar was sorta f'ed from the start

[opaque coyote]

More like

[arctic talon]

When it came to what he did to his legion

[crystal forum]

angron was ruined by a shitty planet but he chose to stay angry at everything

[opaque coyote]

16/7

[celest willow]

yeah periods

[humble shoal]

Loyalist world eaters though

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[arctic talon]

Well you can’t blame him for being angry, you can blame him for doing that shit to his legion

lol

You can blame him for killing anyone who tried to reason with him

Angron just wanted to lash out blindly

[celest willow]

cause he was lobtomized by nails that put you in said constant state

[arctic talon]

He didn’t care about anything

[storm jungle]

For the last time

The Nails dont control his mind

[crystal forum]

he wasn't lobotimized

[opaque coyote]

Magnus is honestly tragic... In the Greek way.

Everything he did could've been avoided if he actually stopped for a moment.

But uh

[arctic talon]

He was not lobotomized

[opaque coyote]

He didn't because Hubris

[humble shoal]

I still got no good reason as to why the emperor couldnt save the gladiators

[storm jungle]

this is what happens when you dont read the books

[crystal forum]

angron had all his mental faculties

[arctic talon]

The rebellion was doomed already is why

[crystal forum]

he could think and everything

[celest willow]

yk what I mean tho

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

And in those periods...

He still chose to abuse his legion

[arctic talon]

No

I blame an alcoholic for everything

[humble shoal]

Beam em up and take the 40% that survive

[arctic talon]

Yes the alcohol is an issue

But they’re still at fault

[hallow plover]

Does still have some sentience left since his daemonhood power up

[arctic talon]

That is Angron

[arctic talon]

He wrote a book

So yes

[opaque coyote]

There's literally no excuse other than the Emperor is an asshole

[humble shoal]

Also angron was a dick irregardless of the nails

[arctic talon]

Angron wrote a book on military tactics post ascension

lol

[celest willow]

eh semi he gets his moments

[humble shoal]

See his wxchange with russ

[hallow plover]

Everyone always portrays him as a mindless beast

[crystal forum]

i feel like angron would be the worst person to give military advice

[arctic talon]

Angron is a mindless beast the same way a blood thirster is

[humble shoal]

Flanderization of evil

[arctic talon]

Apparently it’s a good book

lol

[celest willow]

he does peak one in daemon hood

[opaque coyote]

Imagine Angron calmly writing a book.

And then immediately feeling the nails biting, going out, and beating a random serf to death

[crystal forum]

rule 1: charge the enemy
rule 2: scream loudly

[opaque coyote]

And then he just casually comes back to the table and continues to write

[arctic talon]

Point being Angron post ascension isn’t a mindless animal

Even if he doesn’t want to talk

[celest willow]

run straight just copy pasted at max font size

[arctic talon]

And just mostly screams and roars at people

lol

[humble shoal]

I do like the world eaters who overcome the nails

[hallow plover]

The man did forged a sword by beating a daemon

[humble shoal]

Who are calm

[hallow plover]

A true artisan

[crystal forum]

can we talk a bit about how necrontyr decided to go to war with ancient gods because of jealousy

[opaque coyote]

Tbf, the world eaters were good strategists.

Remember that they also have to plan for when they inevitably go insane and freak out

So they have to plan to mitigate the damage, strike, etc.

[arctic talon]

Tbf they got their asses beaten

[celest willow]

I feel like any sane person would have did what khrone did or just killed themsleves if they had to deal with the nails

[arctic talon]

The first time round

[humble shoal]

I mean, the old ones straight said "nah we aint helping you avoid extinction because reasons"

[arctic talon]

Angron should have just killed himself for someone who constantly said he wanted to die rather then spread his suffering to trillions more

lol

[crystal forum]

yeah and somehow losing against the old ones is what made then bitter at all forms of life. THEY STARTED IT

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's just outright a plot hole

[arctic talon]

Angron literally constantly talks about wanting to kill hismelf or die

[hallow plover]

Jealousy or because they were denied salvation? || they were assholes pre biotrans||

[arctic talon]

Well no, it’s because he doesn’t want to kill himself

He wants to hurt other people

The same way he was hurt

[celest willow]

speaking of the emperor could have 100% killed and revived him and am dying on that hill

[arctic talon]

It’s cope from him

[crystal forum]

i hope we get modern lore than gives them better reasons

[opaque coyote]

Yeah, I know.

It's the same type of suicidal feeling that I got during my worst depression

[crystal forum]

maybe coming from the silent king

[opaque coyote]

"I want to die but I don't."

Self contradictory

[arctic talon]

We had the reasoning

Explicitly

They wanted the cure to their disease

[humble shoal]

He is kraft punk he cannot die

[arctic talon]

The old ones said no because they were evil as shit

[celest willow]

your brain is programmed to want to live

[hallow plover]

Modern book is pretty much escaping cancer

[arctic talon]

It’s a perfectly valid background lol

[opaque coyote]

Honestly @arctic talon I think there should've been depictions of more suicide attempts anyways.

[humble shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/kraft-punk-eric-andre-adult-swim-kraft-punk-gif-19260602

[arctic talon]

Like

[opaque coyote]

...

[arctic talon]

The Necrontyr literally got told no

[opaque coyote]

That is a wild thing to say out fo context

[crystal forum]

ah

[arctic talon]

Because they were evil assholes

[storm jungle]

Its not even killing

[arctic talon]

Like they had a big slaver empire

lol

[storm jungle]

he could have just waved his hand

[opaque coyote]

Necrons when they were somehow worse than humanity is in 40k

[storm jungle]

and removed the nails

the Emperor's psyker powers are literally just "can do anything"

until uhhh

the plot requires them not to work

lol

[arctic talon]

The actual plothole is that lol

[crystal forum]

so old ones could literally teleport from planet to planet right

[arctic talon]

But uhhh

[celest willow]

the fact that he didnt do that was so brain dead

[arctic talon]

Idk

Go my DAOT mcguffin

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

They had a huge skill issue

[celest willow]

like even if he died after the nails removeal he could have been brought back

[humble shoal]

Blame the 34 dickhead shamans

[crystal forum]

like old ones are meant to be the most advanced species to ever exist

[humble shoal]

Whose turn it was to wear the skin suit

[storm jungle]

I love the explanation of like "OH its dark age tech its ingrained into his brain!"

Motherfucker you literally wipe out entire armies from existence lol

[opaque coyote]

Skill issue

[arctic talon]

In terms of Psychic stuff yeah

[humble shoal]

You sealed a ctan

[arctic talon]

We don’t know their actual level of technology

[arctic talon]

A shard of one

[celest willow]

said the guy who he can regenerate flesh

[young pecan]

"Oh I kept the nails in him because I thought it was funny when he tweaked out"

[humble shoal]

Shard could still remove the nails

[young pecan]

plot hole gone

[arctic talon]

Ngl I would not trust the void dragon with shit

[hallow plover]

It'll be explained as part of his masterplan once he comes back. (Written in a 10 part novel by Abnett ofc)

[arctic talon]

lol

[humble shoal]

-Malcador the sigilite

[arctic talon]

It is The end and the death

[crystal forum]

but it's safe to assume that they're more advanced than eldar

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, I think it would be less of a plothole if it was also like

Embedded in his soul somehow.

[celest willow]

also why do people ignore malcadors vent slave

[opaque coyote]

Like if they remove it, it would not only damage his brain

[celest willow]

like are we just ignoring that

[opaque coyote]

But also literally just take out parts of his soul

[crystal forum]

my question is how did necrontyr have such high tech at the beginning

they had living metal so early on

[opaque coyote]

Rise and grind

[arctic talon]

Because it’s funny

Malcador is awful

I love him

[celest willow]

kinda proves my later point if your saying the butchers nails affect the soul but 🤷‍♀️

[crystal forum]

i think it really is just another 40k case of being born at an earlier era means you're straight up better than everyone

[opaque coyote]

There's a reason why he's besties with the emperor

[opaque coyote]

Maybe but we... Also have zero idea how souls actually work

[storm jungle]

we do know how

[opaque coyote]

Like how important they are

Specifically

[arctic talon]

They are important

[crystal forum]

the soul is the mind

[storm jungle]

its ||"whatever the author wnats to fucking do for a novel"||

[opaque coyote]

Necrons

[arctic talon]

Die

[celest willow]

souls can get corrupted and change a persons behavior just saying

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside the body needs the soul to function in 40k

[crystal forum]

most necrons lost their minds after bio transferrance. the ones who haven't still are just shells of what they were

[arctic talon]

That’s the only solid lore we have