40k-lore-chat

[celest dome]

Overarching symbol of Chaos, not undivided

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I always thought it similar to like

The cross for example.

Like "Yeah they're Christian, but we don't know what denomination"

[storm jungle]

Basically.

[opaque coyote]

So it seems that they grafted some of it into his right shoulder, but other parts are seemingly not like

Stapled in

Oh

Oh no wait they are

I thought the metal plates weren't for a sec

Also

Ouch

Still wonder how the fuck they managed to surgically add it to the Ogryn.

[sacred ginkgo]

It is both impaled and bolted into them

The spike behind their right elbow appears to be run straight through from the other side

[opaque coyote]

Probably caused at least almost 100 cultist deaths just to add the Chaos star into the Ogryn

Let's be fair here

[summer mural]

no

its an ogryn

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s more than likely they didn’t feel it

[summer mural]

they paid him with a sandwich

and he agreed to

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but like

Try getting a 3 year old to do anything that seems slightly inconvenient

...

Now make said 3 year old gigantic

With strength and durability beyond a space marine in power armor

[summer mural]

ogryns take simple orders

bribe it with food, tell him its for the good of the imperium

sit him down, plant that thing in him

tell him to go kill those space marines

for the good of the imperium

[sacred ginkgo]

I’m assuming that chaos ogryn follows anything you tell them to unquestioningly

They’ve also got their commissar with them

[summer mural]

i doubt you even need to do much with chaos ogryns, just transport em to the battlefield and let em loose

"For valour in battle and service to the Emperor of unbounded courage, you are hereby awarded the Star of Terra, bear it with pride that you may inspire others to worthy endeavor in the service of Man". The Colonel completed the dedication in a single breath before pinning the ribbon onto Marbo's chest. This one was for wiping out a whole squad of aliens, killing their commander and capturing their command post single-handed. He leaned closer to Marbo and asked, "You want me to look after it for you son? Like the rest?", Marbo nodded solemnly. "Alright son, you can go". The words had barely left the Colonel's lips before Sly Marbo had plunged back into the jungle as smoothly as a fish slipping into a stream."

Sly marbo stuff is so funny

[raven stone]

I admit the Ironkin models look good enough I might use one or stand in for UR25 on the Imperial Agents Legends choices.

[tough haven]

Trying to figure out exactly how harsh I should be with consequences of player choice in my campaign, it is 40K so it should be fairly harsh, but I always hated it when games are like “you didn’t choose the option that was secretly the best one even though you had no idea, everyone dies”

[raven stone]

Rather than everyone dying, you could have an external party stop the crisis, but say your PCs are under scrutiny for heresy

Which is pretty heavy handed enough

In the 40k verse

[tough haven]

So the situation is

[tough haven]

The party is aiding the war to retake the systems only agri world from an Ork WAAAAGH! And they were given some selections for operations, with the two main options being to rescue a hab block full of new militarum recruits that were left behind during the chaos, or to escort a convoy carrying a macroharvest

And they picked to save the recruits

[storm jungle]

Yeah people got no idea how expendable human life in 40k is

[tough haven]

Well they REALLY need the PR

[storm jungle]

Lmao Id probably showcase that the choice basically doesnt matter and the Imperium always gets its tithe of flesh

[tough haven]

After accidentally nuking half a forgeworld

[storm jungle]

Im surprised the mechanicus hasnt bombarded them to paste

[tough haven]

They underwent a trial

[storm jungle]

[tough haven]

Which realistically was only a farce

The inquisitor they worked for could have swept it under the rug of “Inquisition business” but he let them go to trial because it would be fun to watch

And he wanted to see how his interrogator would handle it

[rocky gale]

Reminds of the time Total Biscuit was in a game of Dark Heresy TTRPG and he got out of punishment in a trial by out lore nerding the GM

[tough haven]

Cause sure, the party could make the argument it was necron related and they just happened to be there

But they just falsified footage from the skitarii that went with them into the tomb

And a very convenient daemonic incursion occurred halfway through the trial which allowed the party to save the Archdomina presiding over the trial

Which made them change their mind and go “wow we really got bigger fish to fry”

[storm jungle]

How the fuck did a daemonic incursion happen during a trial

[tough haven]

And allow the party to live so long as they are kept under very heavy surveillance and because the inquisitor very heavily insisted that “don’t worry I won’t let them blow up half a world again, you only get one of those under my command”

[tough haven]

Nihilus shit

Right next to the rift doesn’t help

[storm jungle]

Well thats defiintely one excuse lol

[tough haven]

They’ve been happening more and more

And coincidentally there’s been a lot of heretek activity on the forgeworld that the party ignored to go nuke necrons

[tough haven]

Anyways back to the orks, how would you recommend I do this?

[rocky gale]

Players do always be stupid

[storm jungle]

I got no idea, I'm not a DM, I just throw ideas

the worst part of 40k rpg games is people trying to be good guys

[tough haven]

I was planning on making the sectors food situation worse, but giving the party some bodies to use as the recruits feel indebted to the party

[celest dome]

RT or DH ? And what is that you're trying to do ?

[tough haven]

So they’ll be willing to assist them once they join up

[tough haven]

W&G

[tough haven]

These guys have done a great job of being unredeemable evil so far, while thinking they’re the good guys, very imperium coded

[storm jungle]

[tough haven]

The only reason they decided on the recruits is, in the words of the party’s lexmechanic “It will provide more targets for the enemy to select besides myself”

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-cat-cat-my-honest-reaction-cat-with-the-hat-cat-in-the-hat-gif-25359607

[summer mural]

food all day

new recruits can fend for themselves

~~ lol no , but food~~

[rocky gale]

Like the time (Star wars rpg) my players were asked to wait in a lobby before meeting with the local senator (I was giving them a chance to sort out what they were going to ask him because they knew it was going to be a quick meeting and they wouldn't have much time when they were in there) and one of the players decided he didn't want to wait, so he walked over to the Senators secretary who I described as sitting behind a screen of what looked like reinforced glass like at the bank, pulled out his regular blaster pistol, pointed it at the secretary and said "We aren't waiting, I want to see him now"

[summer mural]

also Im watching angels of death, im like 50 minutes in

so far, the only char I like is the techmarine

techmarines tend to be based

[tough haven]

Basically I’m conflicted because realistically, if 6 dipshits show up saying they’re gonna help you win a war, and they say “hey I’m gonna go get you some more grist for the mill” I assume the militarum, space marine, and mechanicus forces are still going to probably prioritize the food

But if I just let NPCs do the job successfully, It sorta invalidates player choice

I don’t necessarily want to tell my players “your decision is stupid because none of these people will last a day”

[summer mural]

space marines always saying useless shit like " fix my armor" " fix my gun" "fix my strike cruiser" fix my thunderhawk" " fix my landraider " drive my landraider" fix my power sword " fix my dreadnought" etc etc, and then on top of it, the techmarine has to fight with the marines too

[tough haven]

Cause then I’ll be accused of railroading lol

[celest dome]

If one of my player had done that, I think I'd have them enter a combat scenario against the Secretary.
And knowing how they are, I'd probably have already planned for her to be severly augmented

[green loom]

Some probably baseless "trust me bro" comments abt DoW4 but it's nice to see positivity

[summer mural]

rts genre needs some love tbh

its been ..sparse

[rocky gale]

The glass was blaster proof, so she just stared at him, pressed the alarm button and several armed guards came storming into the room and stunned him, while the rest of the party looked on like "WTF were you thinking"

[storm jungle]

Its one of the worse animations on the site ngl

[summer mural]

its not great yeah

[storm jungle]

the awkward animation, the shaky cam, the voice acting, the characters, oof

[summer mural]

the camera angles too

[storm jungle]

also spoilers but uhh the space marines win in the end

so uhhh

huge stakes

[summer mural]

also I made this horrible mistake , I saw patience of iron, that shit is DARK

IT MADE ME DEPRESSED

[storm jungle]

Patience of Iron?

[summer mural]

its the ep where the guardsman gets turned into a servitor

[storm jungle]

oh lol

[rocky gale]

It can succeed, but just make it clear that the success was at great cost, lots more died than needed to and maybe it's not a total success, they lose like 60% of the shipment or something

[summer mural]

hes this very positive dude escoring his wounded captain in a tunnel and keeping him motivated, then a kataphron shows up, saves them, guns down his captain for being terminally injured and takes the guardsman to a tech priest

the tech priest then inspects him and locks him up with a bunch of hoomies, she then pulls him out, tells him she needs flesh because everything else works fine for the next 40 years, paralyzes him , conducts surgery on him and turns him into a servitor

[green loom]

Tempest Rising was pretty nice apparently

[summer mural]

[storm jungle]

That is your daily reminder that admech are horrible and the only difference between the Mechanicus and Dark Mechanicus is one just uses daemons

[green loom]

But most of the other ones are just sloppy esport crap with a ton of low effort content and no tangible way of becoming mainstream

[celest dome]

Quite fair

[summer mural]

tempest rising does look good

[green loom]

It is just a command and conquer game

[summer mural]

i havent tried it

[tough haven]

Ok I think I got it, they’re so desperate to reclaim food, they commit a majority of their forces to it, leaving a large forward base without sufficient soldiers

[summer mural]

the only strat games I play now are anything xcom style or wh3

speaking of xcom style, I need chaosgate 2

in retrospect, I did enjoy that game a lot

wasnt perfect,but I remember it fondly

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/eGdpkxAegg4?si=w3HeTBqpzQmFZEws

[summer mural]

also that last tithes episode was a little wtf at the end

where they go to another planet, contact some Muun looking dudes, show them dataslate for tithe, and the guy is just like "No" and then tells his buddy to destroy the platform and the episode ends

[storm jungle]

Imperium is wasteful

that entire world was also basically covered in cargo towers so

[summer mural]

best ending for a character in 40k is dying good death tbh

anything else is just like " good lord"

Like commissar brok 🫡

man confessed hed shot 50 soldiers as a commissar then died duelling an ork kommando

[storm jungle]

A hero of the imperium truly 😔

[surreal nest]

I can never go into general chat again I will just get banned

I fucking hate warhammer fans

[tough haven]

It’s deliciously imperium lol

[summer mural]

for a society that hates mutants and xenos, imperium sure has a lot of humans running around that barely look human

[storm jungle]

Lmao what happened

[surreal nest]

No nothing I just hate interacting with them

[storm jungle]

Im looking through your logs now

yeah man its not worth it 😩

[tough haven]

Fuck bro, writing is hard when you gotta come up with infrastructure and know shit about military strategy

[rocky gale]

I'm tempted to go in and give my opinion on Firstborn

[surreal nest]

i'm tired of having the lasgun retcon debate problem boss

how can it be a retcon when its the OG art boss

[summer mural]

a rare problem for the 40k writer

wonder if dark heresy is gonna have yellow lasgun fire

or sm3 for that matter

[surreal nest]

I imagine GW isn't forcing people to do it, I don't think GW really cares. They just complimented battle sector for going OG

[storm jungle]

The thing is its not even a retcon, GW is nowhere near meticulous enough to stop or pretend the bolts havent always been red, you cannot micro-manage shit like this lol

[storm jungle]

They unfortunately very much do

yall got no idea how much they micro-manage some stuff in games

im under NDA but-

[surreal nest]

Well no I generally understand that but then why wouldn't they stop it in Darktide

[queen laurel]

They are like the equivalent of nintendo in ip possessiveness

[rocky gale]

Oldheads will give you the deadeyed lead paint stare and tell you the one on the right looks better

[storm jungle]

Like I siad above because its literally "who gives a fuck"

[surreal nest]

I just said that 😡

[summer mural]

i imagine they are extremely stingy with the IP, otherwise wed have finally had that humour centric game about playing as orks and space marine as the villains

[surreal nest]

To be fair

That one Ork shoot em up is pretty funny

[tough haven]

Like coming up with the logistics of how the party would transport the recruits back on a planet where the mission goal of the orks is to disassemble every piece of machinery to repair their space hulk. Like if I say there’s magically a train line back to the main base, I now gotta deal with there being a train line into the main base when orks attack it

[tough haven]

SHOOTAS BLOOD AND TEEF!

[summer mural]

you dont even need to make like a popular chapter of sm the villains, just use one of the meaner successor chaptors

[tough haven]

Military logistics nerds, I summon thee!!

[tough haven]

Fucking best ork song ever

https://youtu.be/XMvx7lPz0Mg?si=VEAqwW2Ir9POclQs

[queen laurel]

Hell yeah

[surreal nest]

ok fine i will go play blood and teef

[tough haven]

Just listen to that fucking soundtrack

[queen laurel]

If you don't i will turn you into burnt toast

[tough haven]

And tell me no

You can’t

[summer mural]

also wed have that epic stealth game about some guy or xenos that has to infilitrate the imperial palace but it has to be pure stealth mechanics and technology , if you get detected its game over

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/saltz-saltzpyre-victor-vermintide-gif-24329006

I lied I booted up battlesector im so sorry

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/sheev-palpatine-emperor-chancellor-kill-him-now-gif-14424446

[rocky gale]

I've never actually clicked on your pfp before to see it full size, just seen the mini version. This whole time I thought it was a cat with hair buns and bangs

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-that-guy-spiderman-spider-man-into-the-spider-verse-spiderverse-kingpin-gif-20437897

[surreal nest]

its tha monster hunter kitty

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-palico-monster-hunter-rise-monster-hunter-world-mh-gif-25184238

[summer mural]

also if they werent so stingy with the IP we can finally have that 40k game where all you do is be planetary governor of a planet and manage it with problems popping up on classic 4x text cards like gangers stealing supplies or xenos vessel spotted in orbit

[surreal nest]

holy fuck Dexter, Mac n Cheese, and Warhammer video game. god

Who else but me bro I live in luxury

[summer mural]

and to pay the tithe every cycle

[surreal nest]

WE NEED a warhammer colony management game BAD

Give me frostpunk but warhammer NOW

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/burna-boy-warhammer40k-kill-team-ork-wh40k-gif-26410402

[celest dome]

Ip holders want to be paid, which make sense, and dev studio don't really benefit that often from having some Ip cost added on top

[summer mural]

and make your planet important enough to have important installations like making your guard regiment one of renown and pleasing arbites by giving them a massive fortress or stuff like that or pandering to the sm by facilitating recruitment from your hives

[surreal nest]

this cinematic still one of my favorites

orks are so menacing in non ork stories

[celest dome]

Have to quell GSC and Chaos issurection

[surreal nest]

it just sounds so awesome

[summer mural]

yeah, it doesnt need to be a fancy next gen game, just classic strategy planet management

[surreal nest]

Do we have a 4X warhammer game?

I think Gladius?

[rocky gale]

We've got Gladius

[celest dome]

We're getting one on mobile iirc

[summer mural]

[surreal nest]

I cant get into gladius sadly

[rocky gale]

Is that Supremacy: Warhammer 40,000?

[celest dome]

Yes

[summer mural]

imagine if you could also just lean into corrupt governance and make yourself super rich and tyrannical and let cults foster while hiding it from the imperium

[celest dome]

fuck saw the Total War dlc again 🤮

[surreal nest]

That bad?

[summer mural]

its norsca

[celest dome]

I hate the Dlc for game 3

[summer mural]

and helves

[queen laurel]

He has a very specific taste on what he would think would be good lord choices and stuff

It's kind of his thing

[summer mural]

I like helves

[surreal nest]

Even the chaos dwarfs?

[summer mural]

also i do like chorfs

[queen laurel]

I think chaos dwarves one few times he didn't blow a fuse

[celest dome]

I think they should have had a 4th lord

[summer mural]

well

[queen laurel]

But as you can see

[celest dome]

Other than that not much wrong

[queen laurel]

Still not perfect

[surreal nest]

I respect the passion that is backed up with lore knowledge

[summer mural]

ogres are my favourite faction , and Im glad they got that rework that made them obscenely strong

[queen laurel]

Let me tell you if you distel every dlc of total war into a poison and shot him with it he would convulse and explode

[surreal nest]

I don't think I like their new DLC format

[celest dome]

Sayl the Faithless has no business being in Norsca

[tough haven]

Anyobe ever get pissed off that rogue trader has better space battle music than the fucking 40k space battle game?

[summer mural]

also, I am glad that ca finally confirmed nefarata will be in the game

[surreal nest]

Bro space marine 2 music fucking sucks

Preach

[urban spire]

you can just mute the game music and play whatever you want

[celest dome]

Are they at 100 Lords yet ?

[queen laurel]

Yeah he suggested that were bear would be a better pick and i agree

[summer mural]

yeah they are at 100

[queen laurel]

Yes

[tough haven]

No I love the rogue trader music

[celest dome]

Beorg Bearstruck

[tough haven]

but like cmon BFG2 devs

[surreal nest]

How did you feel about the norsca dlc in TW 2?

[tough haven]

I cant even tell your tracks apart

[summer mural]

beorg might come as an lh

[tough haven]

and theres only like 4 of them

[celest dome]

Didn't they say that the 100'th lord was gonna be a special one ?

[urban spire]

they say a lot of things

[queen laurel]

I don't know it's between a fat ogre a smart orc and 2 khorne lords

Take your pic

[celest dome]

Not great balance/mechanically wise, but not bad thematically

[surreal nest]

I like the silly troll

[summer mural]

skulltaker was the designated 100th lord I think

but he came with 3 others yeah

[queen laurel]

They butchered his character

So f****** much

[celest dome]

Damn, was expecting Nagash as the 100th

[summer mural]

they are fixing throgg in the next patch

[surreal nest]

I have been fiending for TW 3 to go on sale

I NEED to play nurgle and Tzeentch

[summer mural]

they are also finally giving alberic a proper va

a unique one

and they are also finally making it so settra can confederate khalida and khatep

alberic, throgg and wulfric are getting new voicelines , with wulfric getting some added and the other two getting revamped ones

[rocky gale]

re-vamped?

[queen laurel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MfOhBl8de1U?si=UQttWtwp-AbjPKiI

I like the chimera so far

[summer mural]

vlad aint getting shit, the vampires are getting nefarata though

they didnt say when, but they did confirm nefarata is coming to the game

well, " confirm"

they very strongly implied it

very very strongly

[surreal nest]

ok nobody stab me to death but are the soulblight gravelords just the AoS version of the vampire counts

[summer mural]

yes

[queen laurel]

Yes

It's not even a bad thing to say that they are literally the vampires

[surreal nest]

Well no I mean more than just being vampires like faction wise too

[summer mural]

the real stab me to death question is whether stormcast eternals are sigmarines

[surreal nest]

I have since learned that AoS is not a dystopia

[rocky gale]

AoS is technically post apocalypse

[celest dome]

• Ogre shouldn't have been pre-order (should have been Belakor + Undivided DP)
• Champion of Chaos should have sent their lords into the Monogod factions
• Ogre Kingdom should have had Golgfag from base, and Bragg the Gutsman (either LH or LL specialised in non-Ogre)
• Chaos Dwarf should have had a 4th Lord, either Hackhart (not a CD), or Gorduz Backstabber (Hobgoblin)
• Shadow of Change: Changeling as LH, Blue Scribes as LL
• Throne of Decay, not have Malakai as LL, instead LH, Dwarf getting Grimm Burloksson)
• Omen of Destruction: Skulltaker as Flc LL, Skarr as the dlc LL
• Tides of Toment: Have Sayls as Warrior of Chaos, or have an actual Norscan character

[summer mural]

im waiting for the day when half the stormcast eternal chapters turn to chaos

[queen laurel]

The strigoi however split off and became the ghouls which is the flesh eater courts

[surreal nest]

Is the empire the big bad like 40k?

stupid question but genuinely dont know

[summer mural]

no

[rocky gale]

There isn't an Empire in AoS

[queen laurel]

The cities of sigmar are good but they are capable of doing bad things

Also yeah the empire does not exist

That cities of sigmar

[rocky gale]

Yea Cities are complicated and vary

[surreal nest]

i need to get updated from AoS changes oh my god

[summer mural]

fantasy is quite dark, but it tends to be more wholesome by comparison to 40k, fantasy including aos and wh fantasy

[storm jungle]

^

Warhammer Fantasy and AOS also has actual good guys

because Sigmar is not space hitler lol

[queen laurel]

I thought you were going to say good god guys

Which is also true

[storm jungle]

[surreal nest]

Makes a lot more sense

[celest dome]

The Empire, Bretonnia, Kislev... all have issues, but those come from being medieval countries for the most part

[surreal nest]

I like that

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

Yeah they also work together

and arent nazi tier racists

[celest dome]

Hell, even Nagash is still better than Space hitler

[storm jungle]

they actively trade, live in cities together, etc

[surreal nest]

i cant get too invested into AoS because I will just end up buying half the spearheads 🙁

[queen laurel]

COWARD

[surreal nest]

I've been eyeballing the seraphon and soulblight gravelords

i have no room for that shit

[summer mural]

bonereapers are my favs so far

[queen laurel]

I like the entirety of grand alliance destruction

[surreal nest]

bone reapers are insane they're so cool

[summer mural]

its nice having skeletons that arent TRASH

[queen laurel]

But my favorite are iron jawz

[celest dome]

Kharadron

[rocky gale]

and believe it or not these are the nicest guys

[queen laurel]

In death yeah

[surreal nest]

I think the only AoS army I dont fuck with are the fyreslayers

I hate their models

[celest dome]

Aye

[queen laurel]

They are the nice guys of grand alliance death

[storm jungle]

thats an extremely common opinion and one you are based for

[queen laurel]

Naked fire barbarian doesn't appeal a lot of people

[celest dome]

Fyreslayer really could use a full revamp

[queen laurel]

Though i do not mind them getting more clothes

[rocky gale]

Like even the Cities of Sigmar can have these guys as allies

[summer mural]

also of all the warhammer elf origins giving them various reasons to be edgy, autistic and mildly stupid , the idoneth deepkin have the only origin that makes sense to me for fitting that bill with some level of grayness

[surreal nest]

HOA can lick my balls this is gonna look great in my front yard

[queen laurel]

The other one is actively mind controlling people the other one are blood thirsty hunters and the other one is literally racist trees

I think

They are on the clear on morality on this one

[summer mural]

i just like that their origin started with " hey teclis, fuck off"

[surreal nest]

Ok now who wants to tell me of the major changes to skaven from fantasy to AoS

[queen laurel]

They kind of need it to live

[queen laurel]

Literally nothing but better things to kill people

[surreal nest]

wahooo!!!!

[rocky gale]

The Horned Rat is now a Chaos god

[summer mural]

skaven are perfect, they dont need much changing.

[surreal nest]

like canonical?

[summer mural]

RATATATATATATATATATATATA

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/as-you-should-worthikids-bigtop-burger-bigtop-burger-gif-26818418

[queen laurel]

It's literally the main event of fourth edition

Him literally ascending

As a chaos god

[surreal nest]

that's so sick

[celest dome]

It already was, but Slaanesh got hit pretty hard and the GHR took more power in the vacuum

[queen laurel]

We are currently in fourth edition

[summer mural]

they need one, slaanesh is kinda of in the middle of unplanned chaining bdsm

[surreal nest]

I bought the 4th launch box I just never really read about it

[rocky gale]

Yea Slaanesh is kinda still imprisoned

[queen laurel]

I'm pretty sure the rat ascending at least broke one more chain

[celest dome]

Don't think it'll be freed ever

[summer mural]

they should bring back malekith with an army tbh, doesnt he have like shadow elves or something

[surreal nest]

Getting fed AoS lore is making my mac n cheese so much better thanks chat

[rocky gale]

He's Malerion now

[queen laurel]

No worries like an iron jaw i will punch it down your throat anyway

[rocky gale]

and ye Malerion is like the lore of the Realm of Shadow, he's got his own shadow aelves

[summer mural]

also they did justice to belakor in aos, he has the kind of model he deserves

also belakors top champion has a pretty flashy model

[celest dome]

The Varanguard ?

Or that's another

[summer mural]

i forgot his name, something the first blade?

[rocky gale]

Eternus, blade of the first prince

[summer mural]

yeah eternus

[celest dome]

Oh right, Varanguard are with Archeon

[rocky gale]

He used to be Varanguard, he was like Archaeon's most trusted Champion before abandoning him for Be'lakor

[queen laurel]

Yeah eternus is the corrupted Varanguard working for belakor bitchacore

[queen laurel]

And apparently he's literally a dark mirror of a stormcast

Reforging and all

[rocky gale]

Yea like he respawns in black lightning

[summer mural]

my beloved , kavalos deathriders

[rocky gale]

Fuck you, Shark mounted harpoon gun

[queen laurel]

GIANT FUCKING BOAR

[summer mural]

its over

Big stabba

KNEEL

[rocky gale]

Deploy the Turtle chariot

[summer mural]

isnt that thing like super expensive

[queen laurel]

Nice toothpick

[summer mural]

big stabba can take that on

[rocky gale]

Yea it's nearly £90

[summer mural]

damn

[queen laurel]

You know that this guy specializes in fighting right and could just i don't know deflect that

[summer mural]

no? its the big stabba, once it stabs its basically like the big bang explosion

another cosmos is born

[queen laurel]

It doesn't explode

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/general-zod-heresy-man-of-steel-superman-destroy-it-gif-25934938

[queen laurel]

It's a giant sharpened piece of rock on a stick

[summer mural]

the sacred stabba bearers sprint at nearly the speed of light

[plush mason]

have giants always had 4 toes and fingers?

[summer mural]

ive always liked this kraken eater mega gargant art tbh

[rocky gale]

No way

You can now paint your armies with markers

What a world

[queen laurel]

Yeah they've always had that

[plush mason]

never noticed but i tend to avoid paying much attention to hands/feet most of the time

[queen laurel]

Kraken eater for example

And one last example beast smasher

[plush mason]

the toenails are so strangely detailed lol

[queen laurel]

Whatever you say

[plush mason]

i guess when the mold is that big you can fit in a lot of extra details

[queen laurel]

It's supposed to be a giant and these guys aren't really known for hygiene

[plush mason]

ofc

[plush mason]

is his club made of a cannon and odd ship parts?

[queen laurel]

Yes

[plush mason]

nice

[celest dome]

There is a boat on the back iirc

[summer mural]

kraken eater gargant is awesome yeah

they are my second fav aos faction after bonereapers

[queen laurel]

Well part of a boat

[surreal nest]

Mfs will do anything but pick up a brush!

[summer mural]

bruh

mephiston is in angels of death?

and he looks like a devil may cry villain

sweet emperor

[storm jungle]

Tbh his scene is like a few seconds long

[summer mural]

this vashtorr art is pretty decent

I like how he has a simple aesthetic

and isnt a bunch of cogs and wires with a demon head

[celest dome]

The skins look like it's attached to the metal fram rather than his normal face

[summer mural]

they can afford to give some of that celestian power armor to the guard

[rocky gale]

Get your own

[summer mural]

perty looks kinda small

also does anyone else have that bolter design

[rocky gale]

They're Shrapnel Bolter Cannons, think Iron Legion mostly were the ones who used Shrapnel Bolters but think he's the only one with those wrist cannon versions

He's a similar sort of height as Lion and Guilliman models in 40k

If Perterabo gets a 40k model it will probably be bigger

[summer mural]

That'd be nice

But I'm interested in seeing lorgar post heresy

[rocky gale]

All the other Chaos Primarchs got bigger in their ascended 40k versions

[summer mural]

Lorgar probably has a distinct model given he was interested in demonic possession and bodies getting fused and all that

Or maybe he's the same but has horns now

[rocky gale]

I see Lorgar somehow being completely unchanged, maybe just slightly bigger

[summer mural]

I see that for perty

Since he wasn't particularly invested in chaos

[rocky gale]

Na Pert's almost certainly going to be either a fusion of metal and flesh like Vashtorr or entirely metal

[summer mural]

He's already kind of a fusion of metal and flesh

[celest dome]

Pert being Dreadnought sized

Like an Obliterator

[summer mural]

Doesn't the man have a computer he installed into his brain

[shadow plover]

pert has become a daemon prince as well so he is quite certainly quite changed

[summer mural]

Lorgar should get galvor back style aesthetics

[shadow plover]

Gal Vorbak you mean? 😄

[summer mural]

Yeah, autocorrect

[shadow plover]

thought so, a funny one

[rocky gale]

I just think Lorgar ascending and being "seemingly" completely unchanged would have a "See, this is the power of Chaos within a true believer" aspect to it

[summer mural]

They could go that route

And do an inversion, since I think the chaos gods would enjoy twisting up perty more physically since he isn't that committedby comparison, and lorgar less because getting more daemonic is probably what lorgars into

[rocky gale]

Like feed Lorgar's zealotry, all his brothers got twisted and changed by the gods because they had to be shown the light. But he found it willingly on his own.

[summer mural]

Wonder why gw has never had any daemon prince model for either though, like I get having an outdated one

But they don't have one at all

But we have like 10 ultramarine primaris lieutenants or something

[rocky gale]

Because the Monogod legions get the most attention within Chaos

[summer mural]

Also it'd be funny if lorgar became like ripped and Vulkan sized

Since he was physically the weakest primarch

[arctic talon]

New necron canoptek art

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/P396nVNGNoLJ9WKxpjiW1QLFx4GVjWEDvxp1rpEXcO4/https/assets.warhammer-community.com/sundaypreview-aug24-1-feature-eexkslh87b.jpg?format=webp&width=1294&height=800

also SoB novitiates and Kommandos becoming normal 40k kits

[rocky gale]

Oh that's nice, Novitiates and Ork Kommandos are being retired from Killteam, but the models are being reboxed and will still be produced for regular 40k

[arctic talon]

yeah

[rocky gale]

Will probably be cheaper too, since I assume they'll remove all the extra killteam stuff from it

[arctic talon]

wonder if you can run all the minis present

[rocky gale]

[arctic talon]

in the showcase

or if its an elite team

or if its something really weird lol

[rocky gale]

Pretty sure they said that the little warrior spyders are so worthless that they respawn every round and don't count for kill scores, so I assume it's the whole box

[arctic talon]

interesting

so there's only really 3 real operatives lol

and a fuck ton of chaff

[rocky gale]

No I think there's 2 of the little guys who are operatives and then three of them are warrior chaff

[arctic talon]

Oh

so its a 5 Op team

[rocky gale]

Let me see if I can find where they talked about it

[arctic talon]

peakmaker special edition

[rocky gale]

Oh it was from the reveal

The Deathwatch box though has 10 models in it, but will only be 5 operatives in Killteam

[arctic talon]

neat

[rocky gale]

and you can build one of each variant apart from the Gravis because it only has two bodies but 3 variants

[rose thorn]

thoughts on killteams losing the classified stuff>

seems weird ot me

[summer mural]

of all the hive cities on the planets in the imperium, I feel like the scale of mars is probably stretching the imagination

apparently its got entire hive cities below hive cities that are ghost towns and completely abandoned

then theres all the endless factories above and below ground and all the buildings the techpreists are building for the memes

and the giant rotating orbital ring surrounding the planet thats basically a shipyard

shipyards aint small either

and all the endless caverns and vaults and stuff where they hide their secret tech

[median star]

and the void dragon

[summer mural]

ah yes

the ~~ c'tan~~

im surprised the mechanicus hasnt reached the core of the planet yet

or have they

[median star]

maybe probably

[storm jungle]

I love how like

special edition

generic ass border

literally traced the old callidus mini

[celest dome]

||None of the special editions looked good tbh||

[storm jungle]

correct

[rose thorn]

The AOS ones look good

Probably because who ever designs those covers are fucking insane

Not the battletome special editions those a look like ass

[celest dome]

AoS design team is working without having their hands tied behind their backs

[languid meadow]

another AOS w

[rose thorn]

Like

[rose thorn]

Fr

[rocky gale]

Vs 💩

[rose thorn]

What do you think the destruction one will be?

[rocky gale]

Similar idea, just much worse execution and style

[rose thorn]

Lmao

Probably because there is 3 colors in the whole thing

[rocky gale]

Droggz

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah definitely

Uhg I want the gitz box so bad lol

[rocky gale]

Same

But I can't, I've already got so many armies.

It would be irresponsible

[rose thorn]

I got so many projects lined up, I gotta decide what army to finish next

[rocky gale]

I was going to get the Gitmob box as my last AoS faction, but then I walked into my local hobby store and the owner said "Hey you like undead right" and gave me a special offer on the Deathrattle army box.

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

lol

Securing a sale 101

[rocky gale]

It's a small store so I think he prefers to get rid of army boxes as quick as possible since they take up a ton of space

[rose thorn]

Damn

[celest dome]

Does Droggz have a book already ?

[rocky gale]

Don't think so, but he's a fairly new champion of the Gloomspite Gits new shiny subfaction, so I'd assume he would get something

[arctic talon]

Nope

[golden imp]

Can the rubric marines cast spells at all or can they only shoot and stab?

The soulless dust ones

[tough haven]

No

They can’t

[storm jungle]

Rubrics are basically roombas with bolters.

[shrewd depot]

Watching video on dreadnought patterns
Zone out for a second
Psyker dreadnoughts are a thing

Psyker what are a thing

[rocky gale]

Librarian dreadnoughts yea

Well the Blood Angels do

[shrewd depot]

I gotta read some books with these guys in them

Psykers are actually ridiculous enough when the writer decides the story is done with, wtf is a Dreadnought libriaran gonna do??

[rocky gale]

If I remember rightly the technology that allowed the creation of Librarian dreadnoughts was created during the heresy via a combination of work from Blood Angels, Thousand Sons and White Scars. Then because Thousand Sons went traitor the technology wasn't spread to the other chapters/Legions and White Scars don't really like Dreadnoughts, so the Blood Angels are the only ones that use it for that purpose.

[shrewd depot]

Do they sleep like other Dreads?

How tf do they not get eaten if so

[opaque coyote]

I'm just wondering how the fuck would they read

I'm imagining a serf reading a book for him lmao

Audiobook 40k edition

[shrewd depot]

USB drive straight into the brain

[arctic talon]

yeah

[arctic talon]

we dunno

[rocky gale]

I don't understand what you mean

[shrewd depot]

Tho now I imagine a Dreadnought deeeelicately turning the page of a book with one of those massive claws lmao

[arctic talon]

daemons eat their soul

[rocky gale]

Oh

[arctic talon]

I'd assume they're in some sort of dream state

[shrewd depot]

Psykers have to be pretty constantly on guard for warp predators who'll possess them and eat their souls

[rocky gale]

They're probably entombed and put in statis with some blood, it's pretty common for Blood Angels

[shrewd depot]

How do you protect yourself when youre in standby mode

[arctic talon]

you can protect yourself while dreaming

as a psyker

[shrewd depot]

But dread dreams aren't exactly the same

[arctic talon]

might be a weird one

the Tsons designed it and used them during the heresy

and the other legions had limited numbers but GW never elaborates on that

[shrewd depot]

The video I'm watching says they use a modified psyker collar, so maybe that just acts as a shield

[rocky gale]

Huh apparently some of the elements are made using material found in Geller field cores, so that probably gives shielding from the warp and daemonic influence

[shrewd depot]

Imagine your ship getting lost in the warp and the sleeping statue is just passively banishing daemons that get too close to it

[storm jungle]

Plot armor + Rule of cool

[shrewd depot]

Normal Dreads are pretty much screwed if the enemy walks in them sleeping right?

[storm jungle]

we got wulfen dreadnaughts

the limit of stupidity is endless

[arctic talon]

the wulfen dread is one of a kind

and also stupid

lol

[shrewd depot]

I mean, that's just a weird space marine put in a box

He ain't got daemons chasing his soul right?

[arctic talon]

I mean

its weird

lol

murderfang is so fucking stupid I hate the mini

[storm jungle]

Same

legit peak braindead

[shrewd depot]

"Murderfang"

OK so it's that part of 40k lmao

[storm jungle]

Soni I got a question for you

what do you think you'd name a Space Wolf whos evil-evil and serves chaos

[shrewd depot]

Chaosmoon

[storm jungle]

You got no idea how bad/deep this hole goes

Murderfang is just the tip

[shrewd depot]

Wulfbad

Oh that's so good

[arctic talon]

Murderfang is just bad because its

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

ugly as fuck

and makes 0 sense lore wise

lol

which is LAMPSHADED IN UNIVERSE

SO WHY TF DID YOU EVEN MAKE IT

that is the dudes actual head yes

which is not how dreads work

[storm jungle]

Its also like SUCH a bad idea too

[arctic talon]

but murderfang does not care

I'm ngl

[storm jungle]

wulfen are literally suicide berserker troops

[shrewd depot]

I mean it caaan

[storm jungle]

why the fuck

[arctic talon]

I have a feeling GW might be putting ol murder fang down

[storm jungle]

would you

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

put one i na dreadnaught

[arctic talon]

Well

they don't know how it exists

they literally found it

in the middle of bumfuck nowhere

covered in blood

?????????
GW pls

[storm jungle]

Im talking the unit

[arctic talon]

oh

[storm jungle]

not murdercunt

[shrewd depot]

There's artwork of a dread with his entire upper body and head exposed, the front plate has been taken off, and he honestly looks fairly normal

[arctic talon]

Well murderfang also sucks on the table

[shrewd depot]

Just entombed below the waist and his arms

[arctic talon]

yea but that sort of sarcophagus isn't designed that way

[shrewd depot]

That's some warp shittery

[arctic talon]

and the apothocaries and techmarines upon seeing Murderfang

were like

"What the fuck is this"

"why is it like tihs"

ect.

[storm jungle]

realistically speaking

[arctic talon]

anyways the space wolves literally put it in a block of ice

[storm jungle]

the moment they recover that naught

they would just

[arctic talon]

like some sort of goofy ass fucking meme

[storm jungle]

kill the wulfen and re-use the chassis

[arctic talon]

eject it into space? yeah

lol

[storm jungle]

using them as troops is so dumb

[arctic talon]

that is what should have happened

tbf they literally do cull Wulfen

Murderfang exists entierly due to uh

idk, ask GW

[storm jungle]

Yeah I love how also like they entirely brush how they are dealt with just "Oh they just know to attack the enemy"

this is up there wit hlike

[arctic talon]

I can't even remember the last time I saw murderfang on board lol

[storm jungle]

its SUCH a bad idea

[arctic talon]

Anyways Wulfen themselves aren't like

a terrible idea

[shrewd depot]

I meeeeaaan, that's kinda what Eversors are

[arctic talon]

they look ugly as fuck though

Well

eversors are fully sentient and sapient

[storm jungle]

Its not though

[arctic talon]

wulfen aren't

[storm jungle]

^^

Eversors go in

kill everyone

and prob die

[arctic talon]

Wulfen are explictly degraded mentally into an animalistic like state lol

its why wolf priests often just kill them on the spot

[storm jungle]

Eversors arent given powered mecha suits the size of a tank

[arctic talon]

and yes they're called wolf priests

[shrewd depot]

That's kinda silly. Like cool, but silly

The Space Wolves are kinda too heavy on the theme for me lmao

[storm jungle]

Its not even a theme

its like

a marketing gimmick

[arctic talon]

Its not even expressed much at all

in their lore lol

regarding the wulfen stuff

[storm jungle]

vikings get shafted so hard for western weeabo points in media

[arctic talon]

no author seems to want to fucking touch it lol

so we just get vikings™

wolf priest, with a wolf skull using a croazius with a wolf skull with a wolf pelt lined

[storm jungle]

UAAAGH

SHUT UP.

[shrewd depot]

I mean, I like that

[storm jungle]

Other creatures exist in norse media

aside from wolves

💀

[shrewd depot]

The problem is other chapters claimed them lmao

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah no the new space wolves stuff

looks great lol

[storm jungle]

I mean no they havent

[arctic talon]

however wulfen can go eat a dick

[storm jungle]

i cant think of a single one

[shrewd depot]

Ravens, a big thing for Odin, are taken by yknow

[arctic talon]

god the 7e wulfen were ass

I mean they got raven stuff

[shrewd depot]

Blood Ravens, thefuckingcorvuschapterthatsescpaingme

[arctic talon]

but only for the librarius lol

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

The librarius gets raven stuff

[storm jungle]

Blood Ravens also dont use ravens, ironically enough

[arctic talon]

for the Swolves

yeah the blood ravens just use symbology

[storm jungle]

[tough haven]

It is not hard to write accurate norse culture themed stuff thats cool

[arctic talon]

the new space wolf stuff is fine

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats kinda the issue, they just dont

[arctic talon]

okay but this isn't accurate norse culture

lol

its uh

its something alright

in fact I'd call the new space wolf stuff good tbh

like the minis look great

[shrewd depot]

Bjorn is a fun character, I'm happy enough with the Space Wolves purely because of him lmao

[tough haven]

They were a very broad culture, you can do a lot of directions with it and still represent

[tough haven]

Thats my point

[tough haven]

My question is why not?

[arctic talon]

Because

[storm jungle]

Because slop viking visuals sell more

[arctic talon]

^

Also GW doesn't do any real world culture

accurately in 40k

at all

its always some weird variation of an irl one that has a bunch of weird stuff going on on purpose

or distorted

which is absolutely intentional of GW lol

[tough haven]

Cant you still do viking slop visuals but tweaked to fit? Oh right, almost nothing about the traditional viking stereotype is accurate

Also its kinda boring

[arctic talon]

I mean vikings irl dressed in a pretty

normal way

lol

[tough haven]

Ok so just do something that isnt just fucking WOLF a million times shoved down your throat

[arctic talon]

I mean

the new minis aren't

[tough haven]

rest of space wolf culture is ok

[arctic talon]

wolf one morbillion times

[tough haven]

Yeah, but they still were unique

[arctic talon]

Ye

but still the Swolves naming convention is

very heavy on the word wolf

[tough haven]

For example, I feel like Bloodhound from apex was a pretty cool representation

[arctic talon]

which GW is prolly afraid of touching lol

Wolfguard, bloodclaws, skywolves, grey hunters, long fangs, wolf scouts

wolf priest

[tough haven]

Only a matter of time before we get Wolf Wolf

[arctic talon]

did you miss

Canis Wolfborn

actual character btw

[tough haven]

Yeah, all this, cool as fuck

Names, lame as fuck

[arctic talon]

behold canis wolfborn

[tough haven]

Like cmon, other chapters arent this bad

[arctic talon]

Wolfguard™ terminators

[tough haven]

WE GET IT you arent like other chapters

stop trying so hard

[rocky gale]

I remember having a conversation about this about another sci fi setting where it was like thousands of years in the future after several apocalypses and there was one of the space empires that had modelled themselves after what they knew about Rome and this guy was tearing it to shreds for not being accurate to Rome and them using Latin wrong etc etc.

Like it's tens of thousands of years and several post apocalyptic events since the Romans existed, this shit is one long game of whisper telephone. The planet Earth doesn't even exist anymore, they have no way of verifying any of this shit.

[arctic talon]

Tbf other chapters

also have some weird ass fucking naming conventions lol

[opaque coyote]

Iron Hands

No explanation needed

[arctic talon]

Iron hands are pretty normal

I meant for ranks within the chapter

[opaque coyote]

Ah

[arctic talon]

Like what the fuck is "shadelord"

[opaque coyote]

Black Templar ranks are uh

Different

[arctic talon]

its just the captain/LT ranks

that are weird

[opaque coyote]

Also confusing given that the role names and roles aren't the same

[tough haven]

Yeah but I bet it was better than the fucking space wolves

I dont need it to be accurate

[opaque coyote]

Why the fuck is the intiate the one that trains people

[tough haven]

I need it to be culturally broad

like if you're going to take inspiration from a culture and make it have less flavor than water, than what are you doing?

[opaque coyote]

You don't understand the space wolves have a vast culture

...

[rocky gale]

Wolf wolf wolf wolf

[opaque coyote]

That just happened to be wolf bas

[tough haven]

They have like 3 things

and 2 of them are barely mentioned

[arctic talon]

Vikings in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace

and werewolves

mostly vikings though

I wonder if the GW employee who came up with Wulfen in 3e

thinks about what they caused long term lol

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think the worst part is how they really don't go beyond like

The shallow level

For the vikings

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[opaque coyote]

At least the aesthetic is kinda cool. Still gets tiring though

[arctic talon]

a lot of things are guilty of this

not just GW™

[opaque coyote]

At least the Black Templars are entertaining

Despite also being kinda shallow

Nothing like a good rousing round of murder

[rocky gale]

None of the Chapters really go into much depth on the cultures that inspired them

[opaque coyote]

Would be interesting but would also make players struggle a bit to get into them

So to speak

[arctic talon]

Some chapters have their own actually developed culture

tbf

thats just vaguely based on an irl one

Space Wolves have uh

part of a developed one

lol

[opaque coyote]

True.

Whenever Space Wolves get into worldbuilding it does actually get interesting

...

Now if only they at least had other fucking animals

They technically don't even have wolves

[arctic talon]

I mean

they got birds

the librarius has birds rather

[opaque coyote]

You'd think they would have horses

Norses loved horses

ba dum tss

Odin even had an 8 legged one ffs

Marvel did it

Fucking Marvel

Why not GW

You bitches

[arctic talon]

because horses are the white scars thing

[rocky gale]

No horses for Space Wolves, not allowed

[arctic talon]

also fenris doesn't have horses

we have "wolves"

Ravens

uhhhh

Krakens

Elk

[opaque coyote]

... actually why did the salamanders get the sea faring break away chapter

[arctic talon]

Why not

[opaque coyote]

I feel like Space Wolves should have one

[arctic talon]

parent culture doesn't matter

to a sucessor chapters culture

[opaque coyote]

I mean that's like the #1 thing about Vikings

The sea

[rocky gale]

A bunch of chapters have sea faring chapters

[opaque coyote]

Traveling through there

[arctic talon]

yeah that also

there's like multiple lol

[opaque coyote]

Do the space wolves have one

[arctic talon]

No

they do it

lol

[opaque coyote]

Oh

Good

...

Now if only we saw it more

[arctic talon]

Too bad

[rocky gale]

Space Wolves don't really have successor chapters

[arctic talon]

go my codex entry

Yeah they only recently got them with primaris

[rocky gale]

I saw that repost

[near wasp]

I mean raven guard has the carcaradons.

[rocky gale]

and the Ultramarines have the Emperor's Spears and the Ultramarines have the Iron Snakes

[storm jungle]

Sea faring cultures is like at the top of the line for unoriginal ideas so checks out

[rocky gale]

Na na, see the Emperors Spears are a Celtic seafaring themed chapter, while the Iron Snakes are a Greek seafaring themed chapter

Totally different

[crystal forum]

don't act like a polynesian theme wouldn't go hard as fuck

imagine how big a maori space marine would be

[opaque coyote]

Also we have like a bunch of sea faring cultures

[vagrant fox]

That's just the space sharks and we know tyberos is titan sized

[opaque coyote]

Makes sense also

[opaque coyote]

ERHM TYBEROS IS ACTUALLY PHALANX SIZED

GET UR LORE STRAIGHT

Space Sharks are cool

Purely because sharks are cool

It's not like space wolves because wolves don't swim in the ocean

Ez

[crystal forum]

sharks are lame

[opaque coyote]

die

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/and-now-you-have-officially-carried-it-too-far-buddy-mr-incredible-incredibles-elastigirl-pixar-gif-2332649124453635904

[crystal forum]

all fish look ugly

and they stink

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-megalodon-attack-bite-chomp-gif-886196246851029313

[opaque coyote]

Why does that A posing human have a big ass

[rocky gale]

I know right

[opaque coyote]

Extra cake in that meal

[crystal forum]

animator's reference model

which should tell you all you need to know

also this technically counts as vore

since not chewing

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/beavis-and-butthead-call-of-duty-slap-kick-cornholio-gif-9478766975485797413

[storm jungle]

Gay.

[crystal forum]

you too

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Space sharks vaguely

[paper haven]

It's true.

[paper haven]

What has Call of Duty become?

[arctic talon]

They found out how to make infinite money

[paper haven]

But at what cost?

[arctic talon]

No cost for them

[paper haven]

Well, I mean. Licensing costs right?

[arctic talon]

Oh, true lmao

[outer wave]

Is Oculus Imperia a good loretuber to listen to?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[outer wave]

Aighty thank ya

[tough haven]

Could a space marine theoretically join a different chapter?

[paper haven]

It would be weird for genseed reasons but I can't think of a real reason why it would be impossible

The deathwatch exists, so there is a precedent

[celest dome]

Deathwatch isn't a chapter, that's different

But the Imperial Fist have at some point recalled SM from their successors to replenish their numbers

[summer mural]

whats the difference in brood brothers and neophyte hybrids

are brood brothers not genestealer offspring

[celest dome]

Brood brothers are just Kisseds

Neophites are a GSC generation

[sleek dagger]

Long ago I red short explanation that in wh40k elves are different than in fantasy. In 40k are eldar mix of high and dark elves? Drukhari are dark eldar or no?

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s basically the same high and dark elf dynamic

Just in space

One of side is high and mighty holier than thou with clean architecture and mysticism
The other side has a societal need for mass torture

[celest dome]

The background is the same.
Common group that after a big problem (Civil War, Slaaneshi ascents) broke into various ones:

• conservatives that live somewhat like they used to: Eldar, High Elfs
• New ways that thrive on excess violence on others: Dark Eldar and Dark Elfs
• group that closed themselves from the exterior: Wood Elfs, and Exodites
• group that live with a specific god: Harlequin and Wardancers

[arctic talon]

The craftworld eldar have some Dark Elf tendancies, their main god is Khaine

and they also do some hedonistic(by human standards) stuff, and some of the craftworlds do some pretty sussy things that the high elves would absolutely abhor, like drinking blood

The Dark Eldar are a lot of Dark elf stuff from WHFB, but they don't worship khaine

[summer mural]

what happens to the actual genestealer after it infects the patriarch

[celest dome]

Well it's mostly due to it being the last surviving one

[arctic talon]

well some eldar worship dead gods

its a pretty regular thing

[celest dome]

Patriarch are the initial Genestealer

[summer mural]

i thought the genestealer landed on a planet, then infected a dude and he becomes the patriarch

[arctic talon]

Nah

the Genestealer is the patriarch

the first infected person just gets their mind controlled/clouded

and they get really horny

[summer mural]

so how is the broodlord connected

are they just an elite genestealer

[celest dome]

Aren't they the 1st Tyranid sent on the planet when they're attacking ?

Not linked to GSC per se

[summer mural]

according to wiki they are classed as a genestealer breed

but they arent connected to the cult yes

so Im inclined to assume they are just an elite variant of genestealers

[languid meadow]

Broodlords are the first genestealer to make planet fall and start cults

[arctic talon]

No

its just a normal purestrain

broodlords are spawned directly by a hivefleet

As a psudo patriarch

its just a patriarch in a can

[summer mural]

also at the end of angel of death, theres like a proper tyranid that awakens

Im pretty sure thats the patriarch, but why was he asleep

i assume the patriarchs just stay in hiding most of the time and get worshipped till its time to go into the open

[languid meadow]

hmmm my sleep addled brain is fucking me it seems

how tf did I get Broodlords and pats mixed

damn

[summer mural]

kelermorph is cool

[arctic talon]

They’re the same mini and look the same in lore

[summer mural]

the aspect of it being a revolutionary hero inspiring the commonfolk to cast off the chains of oppression is pretty funny

[cyan merlin]

Is there a current strongest chaos god or in current era are they about equal?

[summer mural]

depends

they are equal usually but they have a cycle where they keep fighting each other for supremacy and rotate through it?

[arctic talon]

We didn’t get a chaos daemons codex this edition so we dunno

Last we got an update Khorne was on top

Due to the murder curse incident

[summer mural]

they do have age difference though, doesnt reflect strength ofc

but nurgle is oldest

slaanesh is youngest

[languid meadow]

it's weird

technically Slaanesh is the "youngest" but when they were born they started existing throughout all time (iirc)

forgot where this was mentioned

[arctic talon]

Chaos god age hurts

[summer mural]

yeah time doesnt work normally in the warp ig

[arctic talon]

Chaos daemons codex 4e

Also eldar codex 7e

[languid meadow]

time is non linear in the warp it's best not to think about it

[languid meadow]

thank you

[arctic talon]

The emperor has already ascended into a chaos god

We’re just not there yet

[summer mural]

how tough is a primus in a fight anyway

[arctic talon]

A genestealer?

[summer mural]

yee

[arctic talon]

They’re basically the best of the non specialist cult members

Primus trains/learns how to fight

And strategize their entire life

[summer mural]

in the angels of death stuff the primus was like soloing terminators

[arctic talon]

In preparation

[celest dome]

Nuffle is always the stronger Chaos God

[arctic talon]

Primus as in this dude right?

[summer mural]

yep

the best genestealer war leader

[arctic talon]

They’re very powerful generally

Though none of that is genetic beyond the usual hybrid stuff