Well
#40k-lore-chat
opaque coyote
in the Imperium
opaque coyote
define tool of war
In an industry and/or job that doesn't supply war directly for non-tools of war.
So somebody like a muntions worker counts as a tool of war, but not the chef cooking slop for the workers.
arctic talon
a solid chunk
but not as big as the chunk that does due to how many factories produce weapons alongside normal civillian goods
crystal forum
cadians are different in that even clerks are trained to fight
daring creek
I think it's better to assign names
crystal forum
literally all of them are
daring creek
Guardsmen are effectively just human bullets
crystal forum
the astra militarum is the quantity faction in 40k
daring creek
mhm
opaque coyote
Guardsmen are effectively just human bullets
Ah yes my favorite guardsmen
crystal forum
that's the general theme
crystal forum
ofc there's still huge differences in skill levels and equipment in guard
penal legions vs tempestus scions
arctic talon
a solid chunk of the regiments in 40k do not have Chimeras 💀
crystal forum
i didnt even know that
daring creek
I'm also curious about this
arctic talon
we only see the cream of the crop
gear and material wise
humans in 40k are way more insane/brave then irl ones
arguably more durable as well
crystal forum
a single space marine?
idk, what's the space marine's objective here
go berzerk and shoot everybody?
daring creek
yea
crystal forum
space marines can infiltrate
daring creek
I mean like
How much can a space marine survive until they die
can they handle a direct tank round
arctic talon
tank or Anti armor weaons will kill them
crystal forum
depends on the plot 
crystal forum
literally the least consistent faction in terms of survivability
winter pine
What book was it that had the space marine get killed by a human with a spear
arctic talon
First heretic I think?
winter pine
Wildly inconsistent survivability levels lmao
arctic talon
but also Kor might have been lying
crystal forum
generally though space marine armor is meant to absorb small arms impacts to a certain degree
arctic talon
and have killed him lol
daring creek
was the marine IN ARMOR or nude
daring creek
lol
arctic talon
its implied Kor was lying
daring creek
which chaos
daring creek
bruh
crystal forum
there's also a tanith book where a CSM gets shot by so many wooden arrows that he becomes a pin cushion and the gaps in the armour are pierced
it happens all the time
winter pine
there's also a tanith book where a CSM gets shot by so many wooden arrows that h...
this sounds like a looney tunes bit
arctic talon
Kor was the only person with him
and Kor literally says earlier he wants to kill him
crystal forum
this sounds like a looney tunes bit
the book is pretty silly since the tanith named characters liberate an entire chaos controlled planet without losing a single person
literally nobody dies
also gaunt cuts a CSM in half with his power sword but that's gaunt
daring creek
arguably more durable as well
I guess so. Since there's probably a little manual evolution going on with all the death.
winter pine
crystal forum
anyways is there a specific reason you ask about a space marine's survivability against modern weapons
dapper gyro
A WW2 76mm HV round would be enough to delete an SM with a direct hit.
crystal forum
powerscaling in 40k is a frustrating endeavor
daring creek
powerscaling in 40k is a frustrating endeavor
Have people attempted.
crystal forum
ofc
daring creek
Powerscaling is futile, and annoying objectively.
daring creek
Powerscaling arguments always boil down to who can last longer.
winter pine
Just seems silly in a tabletop war game tbqh
crystal forum
and I don't
i've seen you do it 
arctic talon
the day I say outerversal unironically
winter pine
Getting lucky with rolls and my Ork shootaboyz turn a Custodes into swiss cheese
arctic talon
is the day you get to kill me
daring creek
My oc "Killer" can solo the entirety of 40k
crystal forum
the only real powerscale in 40k is like overwhelmingly powerful characters
dapper gyro
Modern tanks can track a target running at 100km/h. Good luck Mr. SM.
crystal forum
like we know that the emperor is the strongest living psyker in the galaxy
daring creek
And crippled.
crystal forum
yeah, was
crystal forum
was alive
daring creek
crystal forum
now he's alain't
winter pine
higarushi discord emotes 
arctic talon
He may or may not be uh
daring creek
*questionable*
Is it
arctic talon
a nacent God now
and would you even consider the body alive
when there's no one home
as in the soul has left it potentially
dapper gyro
He is a special kind of servitor.
daring creek
Is he essentially just...a psyker eating machine?
arctic talon
LOL
crystal forum
the status of the emperor right now is pretty much the basis of every big setting fan theory
arctic talon
Is he essentially just...a psyker eating machine?
Well the part thats eating the psyker is a horrific psychic entity thats so mentally scattered and shattered
lol
crystal forum
it's hugely important to the setting
daring creek
What about the brain.
arctic talon
imo the emperor as he presented himself and was himself is long since gone
dapper gyro
Barely functional
crystal forum
the brain in 40k is not how it works in real life
arctic talon
yeah
crystal forum
like there's actual souls
daring creek
Society.
arctic talon
the brain in 40k only governens one part of the mind
daring creek
like there's actual souls
Oh.
arctic talon
The soul matters
dapper gyro
Need external blood supply
daring creek
Are dreadnoughts basically zombies then
crystal forum
and the soul kinda functions like consciousness but not really
arctic talon
they have a soul still
daring creek
Are they brain dead
dapper gyro
Nope
arctic talon
just pretty mutilated
daring creek
Ah so still alive.
crystal forum
he can move apparently
dapper gyro
If a SM is tomato, he will be harvested for seeds.
daring creek
I wish 40k was real so I could be an astartes and become a dreadnought.
arctic talon
god no
lol
Being a marine is awful
you get physically, mentally and emotionally mutilated as a child
shoved full of organs
daring creek
The chances are piss low that I even live long enough. but the fact that the chances are slightly above zero. Motivates me.
arctic talon
and are destined to die a horrific death
winged jacinth
dreads are basically on life support and only get woken up to be violent for a while
daring creek
you get physically, mentally and emotionally mutilated as a child
That doesn't sound bad at all I could handle that.
daring creek
dreads are basically on life support and only get woken up to be violent for a w...
Goals
dapper gyro
The chances are piss low that I even live long enough. but the fact that the cha...
That's not the motivational speech I want to hear...
daring creek
Wake up
Kill everyone
Go back to bed
repeat
Whats bad about this exactly
winged jacinth
i'd like to sleep unless i am needed for wise counsel or heavy arms fire
daring creek
I can handle it.
winged jacinth
i could do without the prior mutilation yeah
dapper gyro
You don't know when you wake up.
arctic talon
its also not actual sleep
daring creek
daring creek
Unimportant
arctic talon
if that makes sense
dapper gyro
You might be forgotten
winged jacinth
do they not use some kind of stasis
daring creek
As long as I get to kill everything I see. I'm happy
dapper gyro
Then corrupted
winged jacinth
i figure they have to at least for like, bjorn
daring creek
You might be forgotten
Not by the emperor. So that's fine.
dapper gyro
Im sorry for you.
daring creek
You see. suffering is worth it. If I get to be a killing machine.
arctic talon
do they not use some kind of stasis
somehow the body is preserved but its not stasis no
its some weird process
where the brain is isolated from itself and the ability to "think"
rather then actual sleep
winged jacinth
how tf is bjorn not dust lol
dapper gyro
Space magic
daring creek
Mutilation? That's fine. An ongoing cycle of insanity, repetition of battle and literal mind flattening brainrot?
That's like
Not an issue?
winged jacinth
it could be worse you could be made into a helbrute 
daring creek
I don't know what any of you are talking about. This is all very worth it just so I can be a dreadnought.
winged jacinth
"all our marines are dust we cant put them into dreadnoughts"
"kidnap another legion's marines then"
opaque coyote
you're in eternal pain
I don't think being a marine gives you eternal pain and agony?
I mean dreadnought definitely
arctic talon
dreadnought
daring creek
Specifically the castrellum. If I'm a redemptor dreadnought I am turning around and killing my own kind the first chance I get.
arctic talon
I meant dreadnought
winged jacinth
marines WILL die in service thats just the job
daring creek
Also, look at the name "Dreadnought" it means "Dread Not"
opaque coyote
I meant dreadnought
yeah I remember like a primaris dreadnought at first like pretending he's similar to a lot of Warhammer memes. All excited and ready to "KILL THE XENOS"
daring creek
Dreadnoughts don't dread. We nought.
winged jacinth
unlike with guardsmen its LITERALLY only in death does duty end
opaque coyote
But when one of his brothers asked what he ACTUALLY feels like
He just says something equivalent to like
"I feel empty. Even when I kill I feel nothing."
dapper gyro
@daring creek Since your chance to become a SM is low in the 1st place, I think you will do well as a Penitent Engine pilot.
rose thorn
took me 30 minutes to write 2 sentences in my statistics homework im so fucked lmao
winged jacinth
i imagine the dreads feel obligated to boost morale lol
daring creek
Also do yall only read 40k books or do you consume it in different ways.
opaque coyote
<@415075981456572436> Since your chance to become a SM is low in the 1st place, ...
Honestly I really don't get the penitent engines to this day
daring creek
Reading is difficult for me...
winged jacinth
took me 30 minutes to write 2 sentences in my statistics homework im so fucked l...
i am avoiding preparing for a final exam right now
opaque coyote
IDC if it's fucking nerd emoji type shit
I just think it's stupid even for the Imperium
daring creek
I can read pretty well but Reading consistently is hard as hell for me.
daring creek
I've read about uh. 3 40k books and haven't finished them
dapper gyro
Also do yall only read 40k books or do you consume it in different ways.
I consume 40K with hatred.
opaque coyote
Just shoot the lady screaming in agony, literally exposed
The Coffin Version actually makes sense to me
rose thorn
Also do yall only read 40k books or do you consume it in different ways.
i mostly read warhammer, aos and 40k, audiobooks and romance visual novels
daring creek
Like any of yall do with the audio books?
daring creek
i mostly read warhammer, aos and 40k, audiobooks and romance visual novels
There's fucking visual novels????????
SINCE WHEN
rose thorn
nto of 40k
arctic talon
Also do yall only read 40k books or do you consume it in different ways.
I play the wargame 💀
opaque coyote
in quality
opaque coyote
I play the wargame 💀
look at mister moneybags over here
rose thorn
I play the wargame 💀
me too lmao
dapper gyro
I play the wargame 💀
Rich spoiled guy.
rose thorn
wait @daring creek were you asking about consuming media in general or warhammer specifically
arctic talon
warhamer
daring creek
just warhammer.
daring creek
I would die if there was a 40k VN dawg.
Knowing gw. I don't think it would be bad at all tbh
arctic talon
40k VN is Owlcat TTRPG
rose thorn
lmao
arctic talon
AM I WRONG
rose thorn
you are right
opaque coyote
there was a few comics
most are mid if I remember
rose thorn
the calgar one is good i liked it
rose thorn
i ddint read the stern comic but i read the novel
which i think is just the stern comic as a book?
crazy that pyshic awakening had amaizng models and shit eveyrthing else
LIKE
and
my goat
arctic talon
which i think is just the stern comic as a book?
yeah
rose thorn
<3 robot with god complex
rose thorn
swas so ass
correct me if im wrong but did literallly nothing happen
that whole series
and made loew tat upset everyone
arctic talon
one thing happened
rose thorn
like fixing worlds ruined by the nids
daring creek
is it worse to be under the influence of chaos or serve the imperium
rose thorn
"see you in 6 years"
arctic talon
kill all the guardsmen
arctic talon
is it worse to be under the influence of chaos or serve the imperium
Chaos
lmao
Chaos is way worse overall
The imperium is shit
but its not the bottom
daring creek
but at least you're having fun as chaos..right?
rose thorn
teh true best option is to join a gsc
rose thorn
but at least you're having fun as chaos..right?
no
daring creek
:(
daring creek
:(.
rose thorn
everyoen in chaos except lucius is fucking horrifically depressed
daring creek
what about slaaneshers
arctic talon
Lucius is also depressed as fuck
lol
It depends person to person
how they feel
but anyone near the bottom of the totem pole is having a shit time
rose thorn
im just syaing most drug addicts are not happy people
daring creek
you might be the one getting tortured
what if you like it
arctic talon
idk ask this dude
daring creek
He's probably having a good time
rose thorn
its from the battlefleet gothic cinmatic right?
rose thorn
cinematic*
crisp heath
Changer of ways
rose thorn
tzeech do
there is a shrot story where this guy asks tzeentch waht his future will be, and tzeentch gave him a vision of him murding his own children as a mutated monster. turns out this vision was what was happening at that very moment.
arctic talon
There's a short story of a dude who is given the ability to see his own future by tzeentch
and it constantly flickers between him dying in a manufactorum
and ascending into a daemon prince
and he goes insane
rose thorn
lmao
arctic talon
he was already a daemon prince btw
Tzeentch was just fucking with him for the love of the game
spare osprey
good for him tbh
rose thorn
that might be the short story i was thinking of
unless tzeentch just likes doign that
crisp heath
I feel like tzeentch is the most cruel of the 4
crisp heath
winged jacinth
thats actually more or less his literal motivation, is that he does it for the love of the game
he does stuff because its more interesting than not doing stuff
crisp heath
I never really understood much about him except he likes tricking people and transforming people
winged jacinth
hes got conflicting plots just because
rose thorn
in aos hes much more of ac haracter
crisp heath
And he knows everything there is to be known
winged jacinth
as the god of change he just kinda wants stuff to like... happen
rose thorn
celestant prime literally hit khorne with a weapon
like
he scratches his armor
lmao
winged jacinth
it would be hilarious if the big lore lurch forward with the great rift hugely empowered tzeentch because a bunch of stuff changed lol
suddenly the galaxy isnt stagnant
rose thorn
in aos tzeench loves the eternal struggle of chaos , since in AOS chaos alreday won
like 90% won
so his focus is really just on his own pet projects
he is constantly formig pacts betrayls plans and plotting because he is a fickle bastard. he is a drama kid tldr. he was hte gdo that penned the term 'the great game' which i am pretty sure is actually an aos only thing?
anwyay tzeentch caused slaanesh to get captured lmao
crisp heath
The game of souls its called in 40k
rose thorn
ah neat
oh because souls go to warp instead of shyish
also tzeentch either pretends to be a bunch of gods or is a bunch of gods
he is the most indirectly worshipped
crisp heath
I like how he pretends to be other gods that it's pretty cool
I read a audio book about him appearing to be a goddess of fertility and crops and what not
crisp heath
He tricked his followers into starting a ritual to summon some sort of demon Into existence
rose thorn
i like him as the speaker in the stone in the jade obelisk
crisp heath
I'm not familiar w the jade obelisk
rose thorn
its a manifestation of his pettiness
tje jade obelisk is a warcry warbadn who worship, a jade obelisk. they were a kingdom of master crafters that were cursed to slowly become stone and it is only reversed and slowed by doing waht the speaker in the stone says adn worshipping it
besides doign normal chaos stuff
rose thorn
it also tells them to destroy adn desecrate statues and tribute to any other god except tzeentch
crisp heath
I wanted some cool tzeentch magic in sm2
Like what if the whole time
Titus has been under tzeentchs control
And it's all been a big trick
rose thorn
never played sm2
crisp heath
Ah , your probably not missing much tbh w you
rose thorn
lmao
crisp heath
daring creek
Ah , your probably not missing much tbh w you
What happens in that game anyway
I've seen only a bit of gameplay
The animation looks good
the gameplay looks repetitive.
rose thorn
no gsc not worth playing /hj
spare osprey
What happens in that game anyway
titus fights nids, becomes primaris, admech dude dies to chaos, they find thousand sons on another world
try to warn calgar, tzeentch sorcerer boss battle, tsons invade system
rose thorn
titus fights nids, becomes primaris, admech dude dies to chaos, they find thousa...
woah sorry i thought you were describing that new space marine novel ||/j||
crisp heath
The story was ok, yeah gameplay repetitive basically nids nids omg artifact ong chaos omg now where in a dead tomb world 😱 omg tzeentch portal OMG MARNEUS CALGAR WOOOOO
spare osprey
try to warn calgar, tzeentch sorcerer boss battle, tsons invade system
big battle, calgar comes and saves the day, final push, tsons summon lord of change
necron tech used to weaken lord of change, calgar and titus and gang go into warp tear, beat sorcerer and lord of change
game end
crisp heath
Something something betrayed by chaplain sent to death watxh I forgot to pit thar first
winged jacinth
honestly not even betrayed really
titus was being suspicious as fuck
notoriously bad at explaining his actions
spare osprey
spare osprey
https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-i-am-no-heretic-space-marine-titus-herecy-g...
good defense dude
winged jacinth
snitching to the inquisition was pretty lame
and then leaving him as a blackshield for 100 fuckin years lmao
crisp heath
Yeah
winged jacinth
like come on how long do you need to watch the guy
crisp heath
Even when Calgar talks to him at the end he's like I had to right this or something like that
arctic talon
Aside from on macragge
Aside from that I’d say Leandro’s did do the right thing
He had no one else to report to
And Titus literally just touched a chaos artifact
crisp heath
Sorry he said if I knew about this my son
arctic talon
And was doused in warp energy that should have killed him
dapper gyro
The was the captain before Sicarius.
winged jacinth
yeah it just seems ridiculous they took over 100 years to bring him back lol
arctic talon
Well they thought he was dead
lol
The inqusition refused to release him
For a shit ton of time
dapper gyro
Which is funny enough, confirmed in a book back in 2015.
dapper gyro
Or 2013, I don't remember.
arctic talon
lol
But he died
Titus gets discovered by another inqusitor in stasis
Who tried to find info on him but can’t
So sends him to deathwatch instead
winged jacinth
it really says something about calgar that when he shows up i simultaneously thought it was cool as a whole and lame that he was there
arctic talon
And turns out Titus got deleted from history aside from on macragge because the UM are ashamed of the incident
winged jacinth
i dont even know why i feel that way about calgar
crisp heath
In the grim darkness of the future . Humanity is... fucking stupid
arctic talon
So Titus thought he was a failure
And stayed with the deathwatch
As a black shield
winged jacinth
calgar going "hey whatever happened to that titus guy"
dapper gyro
it really says something about calgar that when he shows up i simultaneously tho...
Too cool it turns back to cringe.
crisp heath
Yeah he was corrupted wasn't he
arctic talon
He wasn’t corrupted originally
But he got corrupted fighting chaos
And then he became even more evil
crisp heath
He had that massive wound that did it to him right?
arctic talon
And then he got killed at some point
crisp heath
The scratch over his front
arctic talon
He had that massive wound that did it to him right?
I’m taking about the inqusitor at the end of SM1 sorry
crisp heath
Yeah same
arctic talon
Oh
crisp heath
Oh wait
arctic talon
That might have caused it then
crisp heath
The evil one
winged jacinth
being in the deathwatch for 100 years was at least a decent way to keep titus busy until primaris time
arctic talon
In any case the dude at the end was just a normal imperial evil prick
lol
And then he became a chaos corrupted evil prick
After chaos exposure
crisp heath
Smdh
arctic talon
And then he died somehow and Titus got retrieved by an Ordo xenos inqusitor while he was in stasis
winged jacinth
its amazing that the ultramarines response to doing a huge disservice to one of their own was to pretend it never happened and not try and fix anything
arctic talon
its amazing that the ultramarines response to doing a huge disservice to one of ...
Well they did try to fix it
winged jacinth
kinda on point
arctic talon
They just got stonewalled
And then gave up and pretended it never happened
Because they assumed the inqusitor had just killed Titus
winged jacinth
ah
winged jacinth
still like, maybe keep it around as a cautionary tale lol
arctic talon
The inqusitor refuses to show Titus, refuses to hand over Titus, and refuses to interact beyond screaming at you and calling you weak
crisp heath
Smh surprised Calgar didn't do anything if they thought that was the case
arctic talon
Tbf
winged jacinth
too honorable to remember your fuckups
crisp heath
Exactly
arctic talon
Regarding the inqusitor
crisp heath
The imperium looks at him like royalty
arctic talon
Since Titus was for all intents and purposes potentially corrupted by chaos
winged jacinth
yeah that situation did kinda call for a non evil inquisitor
crisp heath
Ohhh i was meaning Calgar could have done something
dapper gyro
It is not easy to say that you are not corrupted.
crisp heath
Sorry I keep confusing myself
arctic talon
Ohhh i was meaning Calgar could have done something
He was trying for a long time
He gave up after it seemed like Titus was dead
And the inqusitor was just being evasive
dapper gyro
Even Calgar is not immune to "protecting a corrupted subject".
crisp heath
Cause at the end of number 2 you have that bit where he talks w you
arctic talon
Tbf the fact the UM didn’t check again after the report the inqusitor had died and his base was left abandoned
Was their failure
winged jacinth
yeah its kinda one of those things where the 40k equivalent of separation of powers comes into play
crisp heath
Tbh they should have never sent him to the Inquisition
arctic talon
That was their only actual failure in this situation from an in universe eyes I’d say
winged jacinth
potential corruption is not the space marines wheelhouse except the secret special marines
arctic talon
Tbh they should have never sent him to the Inquisition
Leandro’s did the correct thing there
dapper gyro
Tbf the fact the UM didn’t check again after the report the inqusitor had died a...
To be fair for them, their heroes die or MIA all the time.
arctic talon
He contacted the black Templars and the inqusition to handle it
Yeah that also
lol
crisp heath
Anyone would have been able to see he's not corrupted if they gave him time
arctic talon
Anyone would have been able to see he's not corrupted if they gave him time
Well they didn’t have time
dapper gyro
Like Sicarius was missing for 2 decades.
arctic talon
They were going to go back to ultramar
And Leandro’s was prolly freaking the fuck out
Because if Titus is corrupted
He could just turn off the gellar fields
crisp heath
I still think leandros is gonna ve the villain in number 3 you wait lol
arctic talon
Or let daemons into the battle barge
Ect.
Leandros did act like a prick the whole time
winged jacinth
yeah thats a big hazard with transporting potential corrupted people
winged jacinth
leandros has no mf tact
crisp heath
I think leandros is the one who's corrupted
arctic talon
But him being sus of Titus in SM1 at the end is reasonable
arctic talon
I think leandros is the one who's corrupted
What evidence
He’s not been exposed to the warp in an elevated way
And he just seems to be inherently a dick
As in that’s his personality
crisp heath
His whole demeanor in the second game reminded me of the Inquisitior of number 1
winged jacinth
i doubt hes corrupted now yeah hes just a rude guy
crisp heath
No real evidence but a big hunch
dapper gyro
Leandros is a Codex whore.
crisp heath
And his face did seem pretty ugh whats the word
winged jacinth
if anything its when people start being friendly that you have to be worried
arctic talon
Leandros is a Codex whore.
Yeah basically
crisp heath
His eyes especially
crisp heath
He didn't look as bad in the 1st one
arctic talon
He’s got cold eyes
crisp heath
It's gotten way colder
winged jacinth
especially ones that did the rubicon i think, right?
arctic talon
He didn't look as bad in the 1st one
He’s been a chaplain for over 100 years
arctic talon
especially ones that did the rubicon i think, right?
The rubicon often intensifies existing emotions
Which is why Uriel was so cold
He was a cold tactician
But he mellowed out over the years
crisp heath
Idk I still reckon he will be the baddie
winged jacinth
honestly i think its more likely that ||he finally trusts Titus and they save the day together||
crisp heath
It would make sense because in number 2 the twist that he was the whole time the chaplain
winged jacinth
what are the odds that titus gets suspected of corruption again in space marine 3
winged jacinth
i think a new thing would have to happen
winged jacinth
as he is now i think hes pretty obviously uncorrupted to the UM
dapper gyro
If Leandros was with the BT, RG or SW. The "Codex does not support this action" could get him killed.
Maybe not RG
winged jacinth
he has that mysterious warp resistance though
dapper gyro
They wouldn't recruit him in the 1st place.
winged jacinth
its been a long time since i played sm1 he acquires that resistance right
hes not just kinda blunt?
crisp heath
There gonna give Titus batman treatment you wait . Oh the whole time he had a psykick block
Or something stupid like this
winged jacinth
it seems like they're probably going to do a trilogy just vaguely tracing out the arcs
obv i could be totally wrong
dapper gyro
Imagine secretly a blank. Which is why half of the people around have issue with him.
crisp heath
Lazy writing tbh w you
winged jacinth
that would be funny lol
i think his resistance is probably a secret that they'll explain in 3
arctic talon
its been a long time since i played sm1 he acquires that resistance right
He’s just built different somehow
He’s not a blank since we know marines can’t be actual blanks
dapper gyro
Main character syndrome
winged jacinth
"people just inherently think titus sucks" would honestly be clever but it doesnt go anywhere
arctic talon
Due to a psychic component in gneeseed
crisp heath
Something happens in sm1 that should have affected him but it didn't
winged jacinth
i didnt know marines couldnt be blanks but it makes sense
winged jacinth
i'd have seen one otherwise
crisp heath
He had the warp touch him or something iirc
arctic talon
Yeah the device
It was leaking warp and chaos energy
And itself was a chaos device
crisp heath
It is pretty spooky to everyone else I will say that
winged jacinth
yeah he got blasted with warp energy real bad
like chaos spawn bad for a normal person i think
crisp heath
It realistically should have evaporated him
winged jacinth
he basically ignores psychic effects in sm2 and that short too
dapper gyro
Brother was in the middle of the blast.
arctic talon
he basically ignores psychic effects in sm2 and that short too
bro has no fear 
winged jacinth
do you think the psyker case in the short is a stasis box or just very well padded
arctic talon
very well padded + the psyker is a biomancer
or some other psyker
that can protect themselves
winged jacinth
bro has no fear <a:TopKekSphere:536320221426745345>
"uhhh... its my armor of contempt!!!"
arctic talon
the reason that he was resistant to the sorceress
was because he "has no fear"
and she was fucking around by killing marines in the way they were afraid
arctic talon
Secret episode
winged jacinth
yeah i dont remember who made it
winged jacinth
i love an animation of cool guys going crazy on some baddies whatever the setting
ancient instincts from watching xiao xiao on albinoblacksheep
crisp heath
crystal forum
ancient instincts from watching xiao xiao on albinoblacksheep
legendary website reference
winged jacinth
theres a pretty specific cohort that watched their original internet videos on websites besides youtube
crisp heath
https://youtu.be/VKjPUUYNjpw?si=8RzAuJkpEncT4bP5
This has some great titan fights
crisp heath
There's a guy on YouTube who basically just pirates the content for you to watxh he just does a brief and small talk about what's happening
But majority of yhe episode he's just letting you watxh , there's maybe 2 mins of talking
languid meadow
https://www.rxddit.com/r/dawnofwar/s/K52EmJTrUO this post and comments make me lose my mind
crystal forum
warhammer+ <:Servoskull:736623579403124857>
thanks for reminding me to cancel my yearly subscription literally a day before renewal
biggest waste of money ever
way too pricey for the content available
tough haven
https://www.rxddit.com/r/dawnofwar/s/K52EmJTrUO this post and comments make me l...
Autogun
cyan merlin
Real quick is there such a thing as a plasma basilisk
sacred ginkgo
No
Plasma is much more a line of sight weapon than traditional conventional artillery
crystal forum
Real quick is there such a thing as a plasma basilisk
there's executioner leman russes
which are probably what you're looking for
cyan merlin
I was looking for that but even more silly
I thought it would be funny to have an artillery-sized plasma gun
Can’t see the enemy? Don’t have to, this bad boy can put a hole through just about anything and still vaporize whatever was fortunate enough to be on the other side
shadow plover
well there is the plasma annihilator
it's direct fire as well but you really don't need to worry about anything in between you and the target
cyan merlin
Mmm. Good stuff.
crystal forum
Can’t see the enemy? Don’t have to, this bad boy can put a hole through just abo...
i have a treat for you
the guard has a tank destroyer variant for most vehicles
this is the destroyer
that's its name
it's a leman russ chassis with a big ass laser cannon
however this is just the entré
behold: the tank destructinator
valdor tank hunter
BUT WAIT
there's one more
this is what the guard uses to kill titans
crystal forum
they're all pretty dumb
the funny thing with the valdor and the destroyer is the guns are so expensive that the guard will do anything to recover them if the tank dies
so those cannons have been in like 50 different tanks that died
cyan merlin
That depends entirely on what you consider a tank
summer mural
crystal forum
are baneblades the biggest tanks
in the imperium? no
summer mural
which is
i notice there tends to be a lot of baneblade hype, i assumed its because its the biggest tank the guard has got
crystal forum
arctic talon
Real quick is there such a thing as a plasma basilisk
The Mechanicus has plasma mortars
crystal forum
oh wait
arctic talon
but they keep that shit to themselves
summer mural
wtf
crystal forum
and is huge
arctic talon
Tbh
that thing is in lore
but its no capitol imperialis
lmao
Capitol imperialis is the goofy one
cyan merlin
crystal forum
if we're talking tanks and not just huge guns on treads
cyan merlin
https://preview.redd.it/ydaxzqpnfli41.jpg?auto=webp&s=31f13ffa45df2e9804634b0447...
Why isn’t this canon
summer mural
this thing looks like a vacation home for an imperial general
crystal forum
https://preview.redd.it/ydaxzqpnfli41.jpg?auto=webp&s=31f13ffa45df2e9804634b0447...
Ai slop
summer mural
you know if you just dug a ditch and covered it up with some foliage , that thing is gonna fall to the core of the planet
cyan merlin
Looks really top-heavy
arctic talon
behold, the overcompensator
crystal forum
i think the og model is imperalis
arctic talon
for any imperial guard general who is compensating for something
Yeah its from imperialis
queen laurel
behold, the overcompensator
what vehicle is this one called again
crystal forum
also i think it was originally a squat model
summer mural
it has 3 plasma cannon mounts per side
cyan merlin
behold, the overcompensator
Someone on the admech tank design group has a thing for sponsons and it shows
summer mural
arctic talon
plasma mortar
cyan merlin
Ooooo
arctic talon
the thing is used outside of thanatars
summer mural
also i didnt notice at first, but this thing has a doomsday cannon at the bottom
crystal forum
it's homebrew
arctic talon
Belleros Energy Cannon is another plasma mortar
for the Mechanicus
because the mechanicus are assholes who don't share
crystal forum
give me your bionic liver
arctic talon
no
crystal forum
damn
arctic talon
I need it for huffing engine fumes
crisp heath
I find alot of the admech stuff hit or miss tbh some of its really cool
crisp heath
But some of it look abit weird
summer mural
and the ostritch looking robo cavalary
crisp heath
Yeah the striders are cool
arctic talon
they're just fucking jet planes/jetpacks
lol
Fun fact, pteraxii use a miniturized thallax jetpack
and were designed to be used alongside them
since Thallax are proper linebreakers/shocktroops
while pteraxii serve as fire support and flanking troops
arctic talon
Thallax really do have those vibes lol
crisp heath
Very awesome tho
I love when mechs have their own rifle separate from their suit
It's ridiculous and awesome
crisp heath
Damn that's cool
crisp heath
behold, the overcompensator
Iv seen these on the table top somewhere on the internet
arctic talon
The pteraxii one has more coweling
arctic talon
Iv seen these on the table top somewhere on the internet <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188...
bell of lost souls or 1d4chan
prolly lol
a Bell of lost souls employee kitbashed one
crisp heath
I think they have one at the games workshop place in the uk
crisp heath
Iirc might have been somewhere else tho
summer mural
il never be convinced sicarian ruststalkers are human
those look less human than kataphron destroyers to me
arctic talon
those look less human than kataphron destroyers to me
Sicarians are only made from veteran skitarii who are too mutilated and wounded to get cybernetics and medical care to heal them
basicially robocop
lol
shadow plover
new votann art?
storm jungle
yep its new
sacred ginkgo
Probably, has one of the big ironkin things
shadow plover
thought so
storm jungle
Minus this which was in last week's post
crisp heath
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/w7eootuv/starting-a-leagues-o...
O God there coming for my wallet
WITH instructions
arctic talon
Probably, has one of the big ironkin things
Doesn’t look like there’s any steel jacks at a glance
arctic talon
You’re right I think
queen laurel
Probably, has one of the big ironkin things
you mean the Ironkin Steeljacks
rocky gale
So scared of the new Votann rules
sacred ginkgo
What did they do
rocky gale
Everything
Basically all their new models are good
Thunderkyn are now like an auto include and just had their pt cost decreased
and there's a combination of detachment rules + stratagems + HQ aura that can make the new Steeljacks basically immortal
They're now just a very well rounded roster, with a unit to handle any situation
crisp heath
They will get nerfed soon
rocky gale
and makes a very miserable match up for Drukhari, since the new Steeljacks will basically require your anti tank weapons to deal with, but if you're doing that then you aren't focusing their actual tank the Hekaton.
Hopefully they get nerfed via increased point cost rather than rules changes, because all their rules are great, just needs point increases to compensate
crisp heath
I did hear tho it's been abit of a problem
Honestly I'm on the fence irs really tempting to get the rulebook the codex and a bunch of votaan but
I'm not really interested in them cause there strong I genuinely like them
rocky gale
Yea they've got some solid lore now and a range of great models
crisp heath
And plus space dwarfs ! Hecking awesome
rocky gale
My friend was already a fan and was collecting them before, but now with the new models he's all in
Votann so far are the only new faction from the past 5 years that GW have actually put the effort into rounding out their roster.
Poor World Eaters
crisp heath
That thrice devoured charecter is a really nice sculpt
rocky gale
Brilliant model and amazing rules. He's an absolute beast in melee
crisp heath
I'd want to build a votaan arny themed around being nid hunters
Have the aesthetic through out the whole army to have nid parts on them even if I had to kitbash or 3d print them
shadow plover
Votann is also older than World Eaters, I suspect we'll get a similar WE update in a year or so
shadow plover
Oh yeah was the white dwarf index that early
rocky gale
Like Votann was Autumn 2022 and World Eaters was Winter 2022
celest dome
Have the aesthetic through out the whole army to have nid parts on them even if ...
If I was to dip back in the TT, I think k I'd have Votaan with some Kharadron kitbash
crisp heath
If I was to dip back in the TT, I think k I'd have Votaan with some Kharadron ki...
That would actually look really cool
rocky gale
and a capital
Ork Empires will usually have a capital planet at it's centre, but they don't really have homeworlds they just sort of grow where they grow and then stay there until there's enough of them to go fight somewhere else. They don't really care much about where they're from. Their capitals are usually key points that are worth holding either due to having some resource, being heavily fortified or being a great place to fight.
Before the Heresy during the Crusades there was an Ork Empire at it's height that literally just built a planet out of scrap with a giant plasma reactor at it's core and they used that as their Capital
storm jungle
Yeah orks work in hordes with like a mobile "center" where the warboss is, anything they got is always temporary
celest dome
Capitals are a good place for the warboss to make young ambitious orks try to challenge them
rocky gale
Yea there are certain worlds that seem to appeal to the Orks for some reason
raven stone
But it’s canon-ish so…
Orks have an instinct to seek out worlds they perceive as an Ork capital per se
Even if it is in the long past
(…ironically probably where they genetically remember there was GREAT FIGHTING SMASHING FUN TIME to be had)
celest dome
I wonder if they still have some Old One orders from the War in Heaven in their genetic codes
Could cause some orks to "guard" certain places cause it's part of their orders
rocky gale
One of my favourite random lore sidenotes, is that those two Ork Empires above Cadia are the two largest Ork empires, they have been fighting eachother for centuries and it's directly mentioned in one of the codexes that if the two had stopped fighting eachother they could have easily stopped Abbadon's Black Crusade.
sacred bluff
lofty mason
How fast could a Custodes clear through all Darktide missions?
summer mural
Just walk through it
I doubt there's anything the heretics have that can harm a custodian
dapper gyro
Still about 5 minutes because of the waiting for objective things...
summer mural
You could probably get 2 custodians and send them directly to the enemy stronghold, they'll wipe out the leadership no problem
dapper gyro
Like, playing an max ogryn at the easiest difficulty still takes that long.
storm jungle
How fast could a Custodes clear through all Darktide missions?
Same pace as we do generally, just more insta-kills for some of the bigger enemies.
the entire thing with chaos armies is they got tons of fodder to slow their opposition, its why cultists exist
dapper gyro
Waiting for the elevator is the real boss.
summer mural
For real
lofty mason
the entire thing with chaos armies is they got *tons* of fodder to slow their op...
I like to imagine they just A-trained cultists and run straight the to objective
summer mural
Also I imagine a good chunk of enemies we fight are going to run away too
storm jungle
I like to imagine they just A-trained cultists and run straight the to objective
if thats the case then yeah basically like 10m, ive seen ogryn speedrunners do it lol
summer mural
Even the rejects got some fear and terror nodes available to them
So packs of scabs and dregs probably gonna gtfo if a custodes is around
COWER MISCREANTS
Also someone pointed out to me that even in dow 4 the necrons can't leave their tombs without some admech being around to jump them for loot, so between that, the blood ravens and the orks, dow 4 is basically a grand strategic planet wide larceny operation
lofty mason
Also I imagine a good chunk of enemies we fight are going to run away too
Each Darktide mission is horrifying if we are looking through the lens of an average cultist. Imagine chilling, then 4 crackheads appear out of nowhere and kill you faster than you can react.
summer mural
But I imagine a cultist is gonna have confidence in superior numbers, ogryn aside
storm jungle
Depends on the cultist
theres a literal fear mechanic in the game
some cultists run away when you explode someone standing next to them
also the arbites trailer showcases this as well
summer mural
Also , the cultists have their own ogryns, and superior numbers, I doubt most of them are just hightailing it
summer mural
Even the rejects got some fear and terror nodes available to them
Yeah ik
But like, cultists can feasibly win
They've beaten up other strike teams too iirc
summer mural
As for arbitrator, well
Arbitrator ain't some enforcer reject
Mans got his own order he's a part of
I think my arbitrator even has the background where he was part of the team that literally already arrested wolfer once
dapper gyro
Didn't it say somewhere that the 6th Moebian is around 15k troops? So the cannon difficulty for enemy density is around Malice if you consider the number of Scab you kill in a mission.
near wasp
some cultists run away when you explode someone standing next to them
Never noticed this to busy turning cultists to paste with a bolter
storm jungle
Never noticed this to busy turning cultists to paste with a bolter
the bolter ironically does it the most lol
summer mural
What's the weapon scab gunners use
near wasp
the bolter ironically does it the most lol
Yeah probably if there were any left alive
summer mural
I think dreg gunners use like a ballistic mg42 type machine gun
dapper gyro
Hotshot volley
summer mural
They should give the scabs a new enemy type with bolters, they are an imperial guard regiment, they probably have bolters lying around somewhere
dapper gyro
Dreg uses stubber
If their stubber is anything like MG42 though, your ears will bleed.
dapper gyro
I mean the fire rate is too slow.
summer mural
I do like that the gunners have animations where they crouch and fire from around cover, it looks cool
summer mural
Didn't it say somewhere that the 6th Moebian is around 15k troops? So the cannon...
i sure hope so, I refuse to believe the rejects fight an entire company worth of dregs and scabs in every room
nocturne crest
Apart from the orgyn and arbites, could the other reject character something like a heavy bolter?
crisp heath
Yeah but he wouldn't be able to move with it and it would take alot of ammo
nocturne crest
I'm just wondering if they could add that as some sort of pick up in a mission.
crisp heath
I think there's a charecter that can use one and be able to move but he's supposed to be bery strong
summer mural
i think hotshot las is better
heavy bolter is like
usually mounted like a turret
or to sandbags
dapper gyro
Not even arbites can carry heavy bolter without difficulty.
winged jacinth
An ogryn could carry and fire a heavy bolter i don't think a baseline human can without power armor or augmentics
near wasp
Only one human carries a heavy bolter and he's got a metal arm
It's one the catachan fighters
dapper gyro
Half of the brother torso is metal...
winged jacinth
Iron hand straken unrelated to mr iron hands of the iron hands
summer mural
I think ogryn can, but they dont usually because its unwieldy or requires more braincells than they have
they get stubbers
and ripperguns
I think
near wasp
An ogryn would waste all the ammo and bolter ammo is expensive
winged jacinth
Ogryn are usually issued "ogrynproof" guns yeah
dapper gyro
Load ripper gun with solid shot and you are golden.
summer mural
yeah their ripperguns are usually locked with firerate
because ogryns can just turn it around and burn all the ammo or ff
winged jacinth
Notice that EVERY ogryn gun has a melee special lol
summer mural
well they are expected to be shock troops
they dont usually get to hang around the back
winged jacinth
They just cant be expected not to club things with their guns
summer mural
yeah that too
dapper gyro
Heavy stubber is usually reserved for the smarter ones.
winged jacinth
They've got big ol melee weapons for melee range
summer mural
they dont stuff like chain weapons either , since its not simple enough for them to use
winged jacinth
I assume a heavy stubber requires above average ability yeah
dapper gyro
Which, btw, Bully personality is the Gunlugger Orgryn.
crisp heath
Oh there's another human who weilds one sick
summer mural
just give the vet a hotshot las
storm jungle
they dont stuff like chain weapons either , since its not simple enough for them...
You can teach ogryns to use them, its just not usually bothered when they are just auxillary troops.
summer mural
dilara go to the fs office and make it happen
crisp heath
I knew the catachan Sgt had one
summer mural
hotshot las
storm jungle
the entire thing of "ogryns cannot use other weapon types" is very dumb lore
its not in their genetics to not be able to use non-specific weapons lol
winged jacinth
I think a big part of not giving ogryns chain weapons is like
Why would you they're so strong
summer mural
just give the ogryn the spear of dionysus and call it a day
winged jacinth
They don't need chainsaw help they need something that will survive the force of their arms
summer mural
or the dionysian spear
also of all the primarch weapons I think dorn is the only one with the balls to use a chainsword
which I appreciate
summer mural
chainsword is cool
storm jungle
so its his own thing lol
summer mural
also isnt his chainsword from his own planet
and not a gift from the emprah
or from ferrus
winged jacinth
Its probably got power weapon characteristics i imagine, regular chainswords have been mentioned as having weak power fields
storm jungle
they have weak powerfields until they are required to cut through/kill an antagonist
summer mural
its just nice having a primarch duel with a massive chainsword instead of using a spear or a thunderhammer or a flaming sword
winged jacinth
So it probably scoops out the enemy like a bucket chain excavator lol
storm jungle
winged jacinth
they have weak powerfields until they are required to cut through/kill an antago...
Afaik its just a copout for "why the hell do chain weapons work on hard armor" lol
storm jungle
Afaik its just a copout for "why the hell do chain weapons work on hard armor" l...
pretty much lol
almost no 40k author pays attention to these things
because its usually a case of "who gives a shit"
winged jacinth
"Uhhh... makes the armor soft like tree"
winged jacinth
A primarch chainsword i imagine is like, hilariously messy
near wasp
Ok one of them got a metal arm but straken was the only one I knew about
winged jacinth
Bloody mess perk
storm jungle
Ok one of them got a metal arm but straken was the only one I knew about
A metal arm doesnt matter, shes still firing it
theres literally no hard rule on what kind of weapons humans in 40k can use lol
summer mural
i imagine some guy was like " Dorn revved his chainsword to kill me, I am SUPERIOR"
storm jungle
unless its like space marine guns who are just oversized/not made for their use
near wasp
Fair enough