I'm also assuming Cyrus is getting Thule'd
#40k-lore-chat
grand hound
summer mural
hes still chief librarian
Im assuming cyrus isnt gonna die if you play as sm
but he does if you play as necrons or something
putting cyrus in a dreadnought is kinda..i dunno, it doesnt seem particularly interesting
grand hound
I honestly hope we get the little mini campaign modes that DoW 1 had
summer mural
just give us thule again as a dreadnought but by now hes gotten so senile he still thinks hes fighting in the dow2 campaign 
green loom
Cyrus dies in the trailer, like how the Force Commander dies in the cinematic for 2
grand hound
I don't think any of the DoW2 cast died aside from him, did they?
summer mural
the traitor dies
green loom
Aka he doesn't die, it's just a set piece
shadow plover
I'm also assuming Cyrus is getting Thule'd
He was burned on the pyre
green loom
the traitor dies
I think the canon one is like Avitus right?
green loom
I think it's Avitus since Martellus is your bud in Retribution
summer mural
but yeah the traitor member in the crew dies, everyone else is alive
yeah its avitus
i liked avitus but it does fit in well with him
since hes always enraged
also iirc avitus lowkey hated all the non augmented regular humans in the imperium
nocturne crest
green loom
also iirc avitus lowkey hated all the non augmented regular humans in the imperi...
He hates everyone
He's ironically probably the most aware of what he is
summer mural
also tarkus becomes the ancient one in the dlc, whos basically that marine with a vow of silence because he had to kill his longtime friend turned traitor
which implies avitus
green loom
Ye they were both on Kronus
summer mural
but avitus traitor fight is actually fun
because he fights you in terminator armor and spams missiles
and just keeps malding
I wonder what the force commanders rank is supposed to be
a lieutenant Im assuming
green loom
I think before a commander was basically just some guy in charge of a separate deployment without a captain
rocky gale
I imagine Force Commander is an unofficial leader title probably used to avoid conflicts with Canon Captains and Lieutenants etc
dapper gyro
Acting leader
Basically who is in charge when there is higher ranking. It can also be an appointment position.
summer mural
speaking of ranks
where does subdomina fall
also dominus are like specialized in warfare right
whats magos prime
summer mural
Tech-Adepts, or Tech-Priest Adepts, are adept grade members of the Martian priesthood. They are skilled in one or more disciplines.[4a] Experts in the Machine,[3a] these individuals are fully initiated acolytes of the Cult Mechanicus and form the bulk of its ordained priesthood.[1e]
next class?
arctic talon
where does subdomina fall
magos Dominus Faustinius
Subdomina Kehpra and the other 2 nerds
arctic talon
mechanicus heiarchy is a clusterfuck
summer mural
yeah it makes no sense
arctic talon
but Kehpra is in overall command of all military forces regularly
summer mural
apparently magos prime is just a magos designed for frontline warfare
arctic talon
for an organization as horrid
arctic talon
well yeah
storm jungle
It doesnt work because the authors give no attention and just make ranks up for books
lol
arctic talon
Well not really either
the top heavy ranks are mostly equal
lol
below that
is when it gets funny
summer mural
yeah the ruling ones
rocky gale
next class?
Eldar next class 
arctic talon
then you get a lot more people screaming at each other
summer mural
Im not even gonna check the ordinary priesthood ranks , i aint going near that
arctic talon
its not that bad
You already know a ton with enginseer
because there's 6 different ranks all called enginseer
storm jungle
Im not even gonna check the ordinary priesthood ranks , i aint going near that <...
arctic talon
with the only differance being an affix/suffix
languid meadow
This is like reading the Ptolemy family tree
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/whyyyy-gif-13748308
storm jungle
This is like reading the Ptolemy family tree
Accurate tbh
queen laurel
how the exam be looking when the professor said it would be easy
arctic talon
This is like reading the Ptolemy family tree
might be smaller lol
storm jungle
Ironically jokes aside this chart is pretty well explained
its mostly just that the admech has so many branches
lol
arctic talon
someone needs to shove the new ranks in/j
arctic talon
no its 8e
queen laurel
yeah this is pre 8th edition
oh yeah dils did you see the new dark tide event
summer mural
1st ed tech priest is peak
storm jungle
oh yeah dils did you see the new dark tide event
yea
summer mural
gw at that point figured out, " THE OMNISSIAH AXE IS IMPORTANT"
arctic talon
The axe is iconic™
storm jungle
so you're getting ready to list your victims <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
uh maybe later
near wasp
I've began writing my knight story. Just gonna start off with a first few years of service
storm jungle
🫡
tough haven
Thoughts?
storm jungle
You are basically asking "What would this person think about this thing?"
How can we know, it can be anything
just put in what you think works for the narrative
languid meadow
https://fxtwitter.com/furiotedeschi/status/1958211098869629386 spider tanks....
arctic talon
I would kill for a cyberpunk red splatbook on actual military equipment
queen laurel
https://fxtwitter.com/furiotedeschi/status/1958211098869629386 spider tanks....
how do we keep our tombs clean
the humble Canoptek Construct
arctic talon
LOL
celest dome
Omnisian axes are just Dwarfs CogAxes/Coghammer
dapper gyro
For 2077, every gun has descriptions from specifications, size, ammunition and technology. They just don't compile them in one place for some reason.
tough haven
You are basically asking "What would this person think about this thing?"
No I mean how does that sound as ideas?
arctic talon
For 2077, every gun has descriptions from specifications, size, ammunition and t...
I more so meant military grade vehicles and such
spare osprey
I dreamt they had announced a thunder warrior book and all I get is dropsite massacre
Boooooo
storm jungle
I love how they do this when we got like almost 3 novels exploring the dropsite massacre
and 2 whole rulebooks set on it years ago lol
rocky gale
Can't wait for The Drop and the Site Part 2
near wasp
They are gonna make an entire series on the dropsite
paper haven
Watch it have some of the best written characters ever though
Who, spoiler warning, die.
spring cairn
"and there we stood, ready to drop on the site"
rocky gale
"This shall be the site where we drop"
"It shall be a massacre brother, but for who"
"Who indeed"
languid meadow
https://www.youtube.com/live/Acefna4GFgU?si=-96HZUk8R6HYt2LT&t=7287 it should start at the correct time but here's some Dark Heresy gameplay
storm jungle
queen laurel
i'm currently playing team fortress and someone just asked thew team if they saw the dawn of war 4 trailer
spring cairn
i'm currently playing team fortress and someone just asked thew team if they saw...
double rocket jump using one from an enemy soldier near the end
i'm lowkey goated
queen laurel
https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15258422693776218496/2B4B48A7E8D8CE2785C25E...
every time this is the enemy soldier
paper haven
I can't possibly imagine how three primarchs could betray us.
Vulkan, to Konrad, moments before their planned assault on Istvaan 5.
opaque coyote
Skibidi
median star
by the nine
opaque coyote
i see speaker and camera titan, where is tv titan
No fucking clue
lament shoal
by the nine
prime seal
1st ed tech priest is peak
100%
opaque coyote
Also
I forgot this game has banger music despite being bad
Could say that for most of the Sonic Series
Btw this song only plays in the evil path
Where you basically genocide entire populations
rocky gale
opaque coyote
And also vaporize the white house with an alien laser
And Shadow either develops a full-blown God complex or takes his revenge on Earth.
languid meadow
humble shoal
https://dornianheresy.fandom.com/wiki/Iron_Hands
Necrons
rocky gale
Dornian Heresy, it is the biggest of dumbs
Ultramarines basically become the Tau
Iron Hands become Necrons
humble shoal
Dorn wouldnt be able to lead any of his brothers into heresy
paper haven
That requires charisma
median star
Iron Hands become Necrons
iv started down the ruinous path of bankruptcy
arctic talon
It’s true
median star
i forgot to buy half the paints i needed prob shouldve made a list
rocky gale
Yea you'll probably do that a couple times, I did
You'll either forget half the paints you wanted or they'll be out of stock when you remember them
arctic talon
You can always consider non GW paints as well
Though I’d avoid army painter aside from their washes
Also because the company are assholes but whatever
median star
plus side is store near me has all the models i want to eventually buy besides eradicator squad downside is its price matched to gw
rocky gale
That's always rough
arctic talon
plus side is store near me has all the models i want to eventually buy besides e...
Rip
Try online stores if the price is a hard pill to swallow
rocky gale
Might want to shop around see if there's any others you can order off of for a discount, then compare if it's worth the shipping costs for the savings
median star
one of my friends recommended thetrolltrader interesting name not sure of its validity
arctic talon
It’s valid
storm jungle
https://dornianheresy.fandom.com/wiki/Iron_Hands
Iron Hands but based? Damn
arctic talon
Dornian heresy 
rocky gale
It literally falls at like the first hurdle of what makes it's concept interesting
arctic talon
I agree
rocky gale
"What if all the loyalist and heretics were on the opposite side" is an interesting idea if you are using to represent how each of the Primarchs walked a fine line and had defining moments that could have went either way based off one single decision in a handful of key moments
But instead they choose to go back to each Primarchs childhood and just completely change their character
Like "Oh what would happen if Sanguinius went traitor" doesn't work if you go back to his childhood, have him be raised by different parents and grow up to be a completely different person, because in that case he isn't Sanguinius.
dapper gyro
I more so meant military grade vehicles and such
Yes, I don't only mean small arms. The tanks, trucks, aircraft, all have specifications in arts spreading all over different places on the internet.
humble shoal
"What if all the loyalist and heretics were on the opposite side" is an interest...
What I want to know is how lorgar would become loyal
opaque coyote
But instead they choose to go back to each Primarchs childhood and just complete...
I think the Robutian Heresy just has them do slightly different choices
arctic talon
Yes, I don't only mean small arms. The tanks, trucks, aircraft, all have specifi...
For modern equipment? Huh I wasn’t aware it was around for RED
opaque coyote
Or for Mortarion's case.
Land in a nearby village instead of directly into his first ""dad's"" castle
humble shoal
Or for Mortarion's case.
Land in a nearby village instead of directly into his ...
Tbh if mortarian was just allowed to commit patricide
May have not turned traitor
Similarly if the emperor just beamed up some slaves angron probably stays loyal
opaque coyote
Tbh if mortarian was just allowed to commit patricide
Yeah that's what that Mortarion basically did
arctic talon
Tbf Mortarion never would have liked the emperor
Considering how much Mortarion hated psykers
opaque coyote
Since he was raised in the nearby village instead of the dark sorcerer
humble shoal
Petty man baby just has to not be a petty man baby (challenge impossible)
opaque coyote
...the dark sorcerer also still killed the entire village btw
Basically just moved that event earlier
near wasp
Lorgar could basically follow the same path but when h encounters chaos he isn't tempted by it he sees it for what it is
rocky gale
Pretty sure in the Dornian Heresy the Emperor just never burned Monarchia
humble shoal
<@&735928989146939404> smote plz
rocky gale
Beat me to it
rocky gale
Oh also in the Dornian Heresy Kor Phaeron dies before becoming a Marine
near wasp
Thanks mods
plucky moth
humble shoal
Thks
rocky gale
So yea no Monarchia burning and no Kor Phaeron
near wasp
Somebody better skin erebus
rocky gale
Na Erebus is just a nice guy in it seems like
near wasp
That's character assassination
rocky gale
He performs an exorcism that saves Horus from daemonic infection
storm jungle
tbh this is kinda why I dont care too much about this stuff, if this was the version we had in place of the Horus Heresy in this timeline people would 100% be praising the shit out of it.
public perception is very easy to ensare with the right showcase and presentation
near wasp
Ok fair but Erebus has to be an asshole
rocky gale
I'll never forgive Dornian Heresy for making Sanguinius fall to Nurgle
near wasp
It's like saying water is red or something
storm jungle
I was about to say "its 40k everyone is an asshole" but like
HH is nothing but loyalists just being good guys
so nevermind
opaque coyote
HH is nothing but loyalists just being good guys
Whorus Wheresy
It is well known that before Horus was a warmaster
storm jungle
Whorus Wheresy
opaque coyote
He was a whoremaster
near wasp
That's the genderbent verse
opaque coyote
Why does he need to be genderbent
rocky gale
That's the genderbent verse
That's be a Whoremistress
near wasp
Men can be whores too smh
I was gonna say nah there fuck boys but uhh I just remembered the term manwhore exists soooo I take it back
opaque coyote
@storm jungle evidence
It is clear why the Emperor didn't want to kill him. Along with how he did his diplomacy
storm jungle
<@166943308231344128> evidence
is that fucking vezimira art on the right
opaque coyote
is that fucking vezimira art on the right
No
opaque coyote
What
near wasp
You just love that gif now adays
opaque coyote
Awful either way
You cannot hide the truth
storm jungle
You cannot hide the truth
It is the truth.
opaque coyote
What John Warhammer's narrative intent truly is
The Whorus Wheresy
Also on a completely unrelated note
Random banger artwork time
rocky gale
I didn't know who that was, why am I now looking at femboy Ahriman
sharp pollen
sick
opaque coyote
ye
arctic talon
HH is nothing but loyalists just being good guys
only in the blackbooks do they get to be pricks tbh
storm jungle
only in the blackbooks do they get to be pricks tbh
Bligh understood the assignment
arctic talon
Actually
arctic talon
Its because of fucking Horus heresy the novel serise isn't t
that people think the Imperium is better then it is
fucks sake lol
storm jungle
Pretty much
like a big thing throughout the series and Siege is EVERY loyalist is just a good guy
opaque coyote
that people think the Imperium is better then it is
I mean isn't part of the themes about 30k that there was a hope that things could be better
storm jungle
No lol
storm jungle
Making hero figures out of space marines is always a braindead motive
storm jungle
they are literally indoctrinated child soldiers/mass murderers who would slaughter entire populations for just not accepting the Imperium
but we clap when they kill evil generic traitor man
because uhhh idk
opaque coyote
Making hero figures out of space marines is always a braindead motive
I mean to be fair. 40k literally is just figure collecting.
arctic talon
The Imperium has wiped out so many human civilizations it would be pointless to list them all
blackbooks my beloved
arctic talon
I mean to be fair. 40k literally is just figure collecting.
Yeah but I can collect evil people
storm jungle
I mean to be fair. 40k literally is just figure collecting.
It is yet it has such a giant literature branch
opaque coyote
It is yet it has such a giant literature branch
I mean usually figures or toys are connected to a show or something.
hallow saddle
its tie-in fiction (not saying thats a bad thing)
opaque coyote
From My Little Pony to
Warhammer
Seriously I took one look at MLP lore. I immediately saw the depth of the rabbit hole and decided to walk away
It is a funny concept to literally summon ghosts of the damned because you're too racist
storm jungle
I mean usually figures or toys are connected to a show or something.
Yeah and you can still make it deep
compared to generic loyalist man people soyjack at lol
opaque coyote
compared to generic loyalist man people soyjack at lol
Fair enough. Although I think the only Primarch that actually succeeds in that for me is Gillman
Primarily because I just kinda feel bad for him despite him being a genocidal warlord
storm jungle
Fair enough. Although I think the only Primarch that actually succeeds in that f...
yeet
near wasp
arctic talon
lash still has no eyes
near wasp
Chaos stinky
opaque coyote
Daemon rituals are fun
arctic talon
compared to generic loyalist man people soyjack at lol
Unfortunately bolterporn sells well
really really really well
opaque coyote
Unfortunately bolterporn sells well
Matrix ahh
hallow saddle
im very bullish on the matrix
arctic talon
do you guys think he calls other Necrons whippersnappers
he's actively choosing to make himself look old
opaque coyote
do you guys think he calls other Necrons whippersnappers
I know it's supposed to imitate an old man beard
hallow saddle
is that kamoteph the crooked
opaque coyote
But I can't help but imagine as just
opaque coyote
A really long chin
hallow saddle
thats a cool mini
arctic talon
he is really cool
arctic talon
A really long chin
its based on the ancient egyptian chin jewelry thing
I forgot the name of
opaque coyote
its based on the ancient egyptian chin jewelry thing
Yeah, either that or a long beard.
Either way, it just looks like he has a chin that can match the crimson chin
The chinniest of chins
arctic talon
this one is bigger
storm jungle
its based on the ancient egyptian chin jewelry thing
fun fact on that btw
its suppose to be a sign of fertility
arctic talon
what about it
arctic talon
huh
storm jungle
pretty long huh
hallow saddle
based
opaque coyote
its suppose to be a sign of fertility
CLANG CLANG
arctic talon
Okay so does that mean the Chronomancers
arctic talon
is hers huge
near wasp
Oh nooooo
arctic talon
The dude also has tentacles
yeah she does
opaque coyote
tbf male crons also have those
I think it's also an Egyptian makeup thing
arctic talon
the only reason we know the mini is a woman is because of a short story where a necron chronomancer is described
and its baisically a 1 to 1 of the mini
lol
paper haven
Female necrons need to edit a pink light so that we can tell them apart
opaque coyote
Surprised no Necron has tried wearing a wig
arctic talon
there's one with a big headdress
opaque coyote
Though with the severe soul cancer + radiation. They probably are bald usually
paper haven
For some reason, their units cost slightly less points to field.
arctic talon
isn't it funny how Orikan isn't a chronomancer
but still fucks with time
bro is a cross discipline nerd
paper haven
When you're immortal, you gotta get some hobbies
hallow saddle
i think he is a chronomancer, no?
arctic talon
this dudes lore is funny btw
During a battle, his Royal Warden, Mohep the Indomitable, acts as Hasmoteph's herald and proclaims the Phaeron's titles to his foes. Tradition dictates that, should Hasmoteph not be victorious by the time Mohep finished his recitation, then the Phaeron would be compelled to join the battle. On such occasions, Hasmoteph has doled out severe punishments to his Dynasty, in order to show his disappointment. Another occurrence seems to be happening soon, as Hasmoteph's forces are currently struggling to defeat blue-armoured Space Marines. Privately, however, the Phaeron is willing his Royal Warden to finish proclaiming his titles, as it has been an age since Hasmoteph has gotten to butcher the lesser races in person
arctic talon
i think he is a chronomancer, no?
nah he's an astromancer
hallow saddle
hope we get an astromancer model, thatd be sick
opaque coyote
During a battle, his Royal Warden, Mohep the Indomitable, acts as Hasmoteph's he...
Imagine the Space Marines and Necrons fighting
opaque coyote
And you just hear in the distance
arctic talon
He slaughtered the UM 2nd and 3rd company forces
in the pariah nexus
after he finished aura farming
arctic talon
"The great, the wonderful, the fantastic posturer, the-"
Master of the Thousand Worlds, Oppressor of the Vordish Hordes, Grand Immolator of the Poisoned Star, He who fought the Screaming God, Wielder of the Song of Sorrows, Master of the Seven Realities, Lord of the Outer Kingdoms, Executioner of Cossol, Wearer of the Starpyre Raiment.....
arctic talon
He's pretty new yeah
but he's an anniversery mini unfortunately
so 
Iirc the warhammer cafe's still have him sometimes
hallow saddle
his pose makes him look old school
arctic talon
but there's only like 3 fucking warhammer cafe's ever
dapper gyro
UM 2nd company dealing with Pariah Nexus and Tyranids at the same time... No wonder the Cpt can only spare 3 men.
arctic talon
he's meant to be posed like the Old cron lord
opaque coyote
Master of the Thousand Worlds, Oppressor of the Vordish Hordes, Grand Immolator ...
"QUICKLY BROTHERS. WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE THE ENEMY FORCES BEFORE HE GETS TO THE 29214891TH PARAGRAPH."
arctic talon
I'm mad GW makes anniversary minis limited time
I wish they'd at least keep them MTO
hallow saddle
the normal lord and the normal lokhust destroyers are real notable absences for the new necron models for sure
opaque coyote
I'm mad GW makes anniversary minis limited time
"NO. YOU MUST BUY EXPENSIVE LIMITED TIME OFFER PLASTIC NOW."
hallow saddle
maybe the overlords are just the new lord, still need normal lokhusts though
hallow saddle
and yeah +1 to made to order, they should do it
do a lil rotation of special minis every couple years
arctic talon
destroyer lord and lokhusts are so sad lol
hallow saddle
they really are lol
hallow saddle
the lokhust heavy is nice but its monopose
but a swarm of new lokhusts would be cool
rose thorn
to be fair, they aged amazing
rose thorn
necrons in general aged well ig
hallow saddle
you have to do chopping
arctic talon
do you?
hallow saddle
i did do it
paper haven
Space Marines keep shooting the herald, but he just gets back up and continues reciting the titles
arctic talon
I thought you just could change it
rose thorn
to be fair,
Its a metal cartoon skull
hallow saddle
yeah, its possible with pinning though & cutting at the joints
and a bit of greenstuff
you can cut his waist too easily and rotate him a lil bit
arctic talon
Space Marines keep shooting the herald, but he just gets back up and continues r...
marines shot a necron overlord who challenge a chapter master to a duel once
hallow saddle
so i have one guy that's sort of aiming his gun more
arctic talon
the necrons responded by phasing out nuking the marines from orbit
as "revenge" for daring to take advantage of an honor duel
opaque coyote
the necrons responded by phasing out nuking the marines from orbit
The definition of "Okay, fuck you then"
languid meadow
paper haven
the necrons responded by phasing out nuking the marines from orbit
That's what happens when you refuse champion combat
arctic talon
it is what it is
nice of the overlord to offer that duel up
how rude of the imperium smh
Tbh there is one thing I don't super love about the new necrons
paper haven
Either we play nice or we don't, and the Necrons have more toys to play mean with
paper haven
I thought they were self repairing?
arctic talon
they are
which is why it feels weird to me the minis come with some battle damage by default
for some of them
storm jungle
I thought they were self repairing?
something-something uhhh
opens book
Malfunction in necrodermis/repair engines
badabing badaboom 📖
paper haven
That really would be the explanation
dapper gyro
EMP is surpringly under used in 40K.
paper haven
Electro magnetism is scary
dapper gyro
Nukes in 40K never radiate EMP neither. It makes you wonder if they are real nuke, or just a lot of conventional explosive put together.
paper haven
Just say everything is shielded and ignore it
dapper gyro
Issue is that the shield are "powered", so they are the most likely to be affected by EMP.
paper haven
Shouldn't plasma also have an EMP effect?
dapper gyro
Should be, but it would destroy stuff before the EMP does anything.
Oh, the best way to keep devices safe from EMP is complete isolation from the blast, like not even wiring anything out, or turn the device off...
paper haven
That would mean that the maximal setting would have an EMP discharge several times greater than the blast radious
dapper gyro
Both of which, you know, are not great for any kind of power shield.
dapper gyro
That would mean that the maximal setting would have an EMP discharge several tim...
If it doesn't disable your gun 1st...
paper haven
Well, if you're going to risk it anyway there might as well be some benefits
As for shielding, I barely even understand what they are
dapper gyro
They are plot shield.
dapper gyro
They can stop or be destroyed depending on the fluff.
paper haven
A physical barrier? Does that mean you can suffocate inside it?
dapper gyro
Like, the Iron Halo can stop fucking warp energy... So yeah...
paper haven
How does the generator project it? Is it through radiation? Wouldn't that give everyone inside the shield super cancer?
And so on and so on
dapper gyro
Anyhow, nuke is underpowered in 40K, because they are not real nukes.
paper haven
The writers don't understand how real weapons work
dapper gyro
That's my (sun) surface level take.
paper haven
In one book I read, they shot nukes into a star
arctic talon
EMP is surpringly under used in 40K.
Only 3 factions have it really
4 I guess
5, I’m bad at counting
dapper gyro
So everyone...
dapper gyro
Not the imperium...
arctic talon
Or rather had the keyword haywire
paper haven
I'm surprised admech dabble in EMPs
dapper gyro
Of course, because it is too advance for the Ad Mech.
hallow saddle
tfw your emp accidentally pwns all your ironkin
arctic talon
They just aren’t sharing
arctic talon
tfw your emp accidentally pwns all your ironkin
NOOOOOO
hallow saddle
arctic talon
But so many personal cybernetics in 40k are described as hardened to EMP
Like eldar, admech and LoV cybernetics
paper haven
And there it is
arctic talon
Are all called EMP hardened
So you need a really big one, or just use it on undefended stuff
No word on if Tau cybernetics are EMP hardened
paper haven
This should disable your electronics.
Nuh uh
arctic talon
This should disable your electronics.
Nuh uh
Works on vehicles
Aside from craftworld eldar ones
Because they’re cheating magic
paper haven
What does EMP hardened even mean?
arctic talon
It’s what drukhari use haywire grenades and stuff for
arctic talon
What does EMP hardened even mean?
40k bullshit for EMP no worky on it
It’s also an irl term
paper haven
I get that but like
arctic talon
But irl EMP hardened stuff isn’t immune
paper haven
how?
dapper gyro
Most of the hardened EMP irl can only able to withstand some weak pulse.
arctic talon
Well yeah
dapper gyro
A nuke EMP, there is not much shield unless you stay in a deep bunker.
paper haven
As far as I know, there's no real way to stop an EMP from fucking up your stuff. Even if you have something completely shielded, like a faraday cage, a powerful enough pulse will still get through
storm jungle
Its kinda just not used because its OP
arctic talon
Its kinda just not used because its OP
Go my haywire mine
storm jungle
the moment a marine force lands
arctic talon
Turn off the necron obelisk
storm jungle
the chapter master just
doesnt get his fucking head melted by a sniper drone
lmao
paper haven
Or they aren't shot out of orbit by any competent anti-air defenses
storm jungle
^
SOMETIMES they are but like it rarely happens
because as it seems clear uh war isnt that epic
and you can die from anything randomly lol
paper haven
There's a reason we don't actually do paradrop assaults
paper haven
Or like, literally anything above ground within 30 miles of an Imperial guard artillery position
We figured out how to do continuous barrages in 1914
storm jungle
Yeah its why "realistically" speaking the Imperium fighting most ground wars against Tau would be very bad depending on the deployed force for one example.
Its one of the reasons why I LOVE the Tauros Campaign, the tau just harass and target the imperials weakpoints like water/food supplies and they just crumble then abandon the entire planet lol
most engagements would also be you almost never seeing a fire warrior
its just Drones
paper haven
See that time Wagner tried to attack a powerplant in Syria for reference
storm jungle
I was trying not to say it but yeah lol
you can be an entire regiment of guardsmen huddling in some shitty muddy trench
cue the humble tau drone dropping a fusion bomb on said hole
Drone warfare is like REALLY broken sometimes lol
paper haven
Massed infantry attacks don't do well against drone swarms
We've also seen how that plays out recently
storm jungle
Pretty much yeah lol or just actual working functional mechas among other things.
but its all up to possibilities
paper haven
The Tau, in this regard, should be nearly untouchable in open war
But that would be boring so
storm jungle
Yeah pretty much, like I said a realistic engagement would be the Imperials almost never seeing the tau lol
paper haven
Well not boring for the conscripts, obviously
opaque coyote
Me when some babypilled kindergarden fan starts debating in comments and their takes are just childslop and logical fallacies
storm jungle
Well not boring for the conscripts, obviously
🫡
BRO THESE THINGS CAN GO INVISIBLE?
I didnt even know that bit
paper haven
Me when some babypilled kindergarden fan starts debating in comments and their t...
Your daughter did not write that
paper haven
BRO THESE THINGS CAN GO INVISIBLE?
Yeah it's nuts
paper haven
Don't worry, they're coming to you
paper haven
Every guardsman squad can choose an additional butterfly net to catch enemy drones.
The Emperor protects
storm jungle
Man people legit got no idea how awful drone warfare is too lol
||Ive seen combat footage of a russian soldier literally commit suicide with his rifle when he was seeing a swarm of them approaching knowing hes gonna die||
its fucked lol
paper haven
This movie did a good job of showing how it can be. One drone gets the drop on them and vaporizes like ten people
storm jungle
Man ive watched that one, its great in a real morbid way lol
it literally act slike how a tau drone would too with advanced scanner tech and stuff
dapper gyro
A lot of the imperium stuff are obsolete compare to other factions if it is not for the rule of cool and the Imperium suffers of the main character syndrome.
paper haven
To be fair to the guard, they would also have drones and similar tech instead of the world war 2 tanks and Russian human wave tactics
arctic talon
no because the mechanicus stole all the servo skulls
But Tau drones are fucking hilariously broken
GW will never release Tau drones from being in lore jail where they aren't used most of the time
dapper gyro
If we remove the rule of cool and takes hard fact, then not even SM is a big deal.
Like, you are saying that homing bolter (which mean low velocity, otherwise it can't correct the trajectory) has the same penetration power as a railgun?
storm jungle
GW will never release Tau drones from being in lore jail where they aren't used ...
I remember reading a catachan book and the best tactic against tau drones is just
"idk shoot them"
ingenius
dapper gyro
You know, this is why SM infiltrator is my favourite SM squad. Because they have compact gun with scope and signal jammer!
paper haven
Oh is that all you have to do?
dapper gyro
Infiltrator is just common sense SM.
near wasp
I remember reading a catachan book and the best tactic against tau drones is jus...
They aren't exactly the brightest, toughest sure but def not smart
dapper gyro
there's 1 morbillion of them
Flak guns?
paper haven
Small, fast moving flying target that has aimbot
dapper gyro
Heavy bolter with fragmentation ammo?
arctic talon
prolly won't work against remora's though
since those are drones
but also planes
like just an irl fucking predator drone
arctic talon
the hover drone is like
small hover
its like a fucking mobility scooter
for Tau
paper haven
Extra hover
dapper gyro
And too bad, the imperium is too shitty to have shit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta0f0oB4I-Q
storm jungle
dont they all hover
hover-drone as in its entire job is to hover
or in this case act as a platform
paper haven
Floating coffee table
paper haven
Legs are for peasants
arctic talon
MODOK chair
crystal forum
tau giving sentience to a flying tripod
paper haven
The AI rebellion is inevitable
crystal forum
drones that wipe your ass
arctic talon
like the combat drones
Combat drones are the sentient ones
hover drones are dumb AI
like a roomba vs a dog
paper haven
Do the combat drones get PTSD?
arctic talon
I mean probably?
dapper gyro
I don't think so?
arctic talon
they're noted to have personality stressers
though it doesn't seem to be actual PTSD
as we understand it
crystal forum
and people say servitors are horrific. at least they can't think of how awful their situation is
arctic talon
Drones/tau combat AI that go a long time
tend to have quirks
attachment to former pilots/squad leaders that are dead
dapper gyro
Nier Automata drone
paper haven
I hope they're allowed to retire
paper haven
Drones be like: Don't get PTSD or they'll fucking kill me
arctic talon
most Tau tend to just
not mention those issues
regarding fire caste and air caste tau
paper haven
Ignoring it always works
arctic talon
Well
its like sending your dog to be put down because its annoying
Its disagreeable
dapper gyro
Drone in the end are expendable.
arctic talon
Yeah
dapper gyro
Much like the guardsmen.
arctic talon
They're ultimately expendable but Tau tend to treat a squad drone kind fo like a pet
but if it dies in the line of duty
shame, but it died doing its job
paper haven
Bomb disposal dogs are only allowed to serve two years and then get retired with benefits
arctic talon
Air caste pilots tend to grow attached to their onship AIs
but see remoras as semi disposable
paper haven
This is inevitably going to lead to an AI rebellion
dapper gyro
Bomb disposal dogs are only allowed to serve two years and then get retired with...
If you talk about IRL, it is more to do with effectiveness on the job.
paper haven
If you talk about IRL, it is more to do with effectiveness on the job.
I know why they do it
opaque coyote
its like sending your dog to be put down because its annoying
"Why do I exist? I was brought into this damned galaxy without consent. I don't have arms, legs, or the ability to experience sensation. But I can think. What kind of a cruel joke is this?"
"Bob! The drone is acting up again!"
arctic talon
"Why do I exist? I was brought into this damned galaxy without consent. I don't ...
They're not that sentient
they're compared to animals in terms of sentience
but yes
still a pretty awful existence lol
The fact they're sentient is
arctic talon
Likely ever
The Tau have more advanced AI
its not used in combat drones
they turned my goat puretide into fucking chat GPT
paper haven
I sure do hope the more advanced AI doesn't empathize with the less advanced AI.
opaque coyote
I sure do hope the more advanced AI doesn't empathize with the less advanced AI.
I mean it depends.
arctic talon
the AI Aun'va thinks of himself as a continuation of the original Aun'va
opaque coyote
I think AM literally treats it's Chinese and Russian counterparts like pets due to them being much less advanced
arctic talon
and sees himself as above the "mindless" animals of the drones
paper haven
I mean it depends.
Exactly. And that is way too much unpredictability already
arctic talon
Puretide we literally don't know
since Puretide in life was
kind of a sociopathic nightmare of a tau general
aside for his disciples
paper haven
Thank god
opaque coyote
Exactly. And that is way too much unpredictability already
Well at least the T'au will deal with itself in the end
arctic talon
but Puretide like
as an engram
literally has lobotomized people he's meant to work with
opaque coyote
kind of a sociopathic nightmare of a tau general
mfw the robot continuation is literally a better person
paper haven
Well at least the T'au will deal with itself in the end
Oh definitely. Assuming they survive the tyrannids
opaque coyote
its worse lol
Oh
arctic talon
Puretide engram chips uh
opaque coyote
Fantastic
arctic talon
Like lobotomizing people
other Tau rather
anyways puretide engram chips are no longer inserted directly into Tau commander brains and are instead kept in a self contained blackbox
shocker I know
paper haven
Actually, an AI rebellion during the desperation of a tyrannids invasion would just about do it
opaque coyote
Like lobotomizing people
If the Imperium didn't hate Xenos with all of it's heart and soul
Then I feel like they'd get along
arctic talon
but Puretide is nothing if not an effective commander
opaque coyote
arctic talon
lol
he is like
Tau Sun Tzu
but the art of war was actually good
and not for rich nobles
lol
dapper gyro
The imperium can't even stop hating itself in the 1st place...
paper haven
Sun Tzu wasn't even that great
paper haven
He just understood the basics
opaque coyote
Tau Sun Tzu
"The best way to win... is to lobotomize everybody who speaks against you."
- Puretide
arctic talon
I'm gona be honest here
anyways Puretide is really smart
don't insert the engram into your head
its like johnny silverhand
but more racist
opaque coyote
its like johnny silverhand
Is he just as delusional
arctic talon
No
He's still fully cognizant of the fact he's an engram
and knows he died
He just wants to keep on killing
paper haven
I don't know good irl tacticians
Frankly, I'm blanking on the good ones too
arctic talon
Puretide is like
a fucking imperium character
Tau edition
oh also he may or may not
paper haven
Oh look who fell of their high horse
arctic talon
have been assassinated by the ethereals
lol
he got extremely ill before his death
and was hospitalized
and his brain got scanned
opaque coyote
have been assassinated by the ethereals
Might've been a good choice ngl
paper haven
The Putin Special
arctic talon
Oh also none of the earth caste medics on his inner circle
were allowed to treat him
he got dragged away by Water Caste spooks
for "intensive" treatment
and then he died a few years later
arctic talon
tbf his body was shown to the public
and he got a parade
ignore the fact he was in full combat armor for his burial
and no one could see any part of him but his head
opaque coyote
Oh yeah fun fact about the Death of Stalin movie.
Beria's death scene was mostly improvised. The director basically gave a basic outline and told the actors to go nuts.
The outline being
-"Read Beria's crimes"
-"Have him executed"
arctic talon
and if you're asking how did no one suspect anything
I mean a ton of people suspected foul play
when he bit it
the thing was no one is stupid enough to dig into it
opaque coyote
I mean a ton of people suspected foul play
I doubt many cared too much about it given his uh...
Reputation
arctic talon
I mean wtf were the people who loved him the most gona do lol
opaque coyote
Yeah ik ik. Just mainly a slight joke atp
It's like being a Kennedy and seeing him get shot
opaque coyote
I still find it funny that Farsight is the one that uses a fucking sword
arctic talon
tbf the name refers to him planning ahead
not him being good at shooting
he is the master of Mont'ka after all
opaque coyote
tbf the name refers to him planning ahead
I forgot why exactly Farsight made his own breakaway empire
arctic talon
Ethereals wouldn't give him reinforcments to continue his war and ordered him back
-
he thought ethereals were sussy
-
the etheral attached to his expedition got possesed by a daemon and the other ethereals lied
oh also he used to be really fucking racist
get he got that from Puretide
opaque coyote
But my best guess is that Puretide getting mysteriously taken to tau'va brazil influenced his decision
arctic talon
potentially
arctic talon
Yeah
well
he still is pretty racist
just towards the ethereals
and orks
and daemons
and necrons
and deldar
opaque coyote
I mean
Fair
What about humies
Wouldn't be surprised if he was racist towards them
tbh
arctic talon
Wouldn't be surprised if he was racist towards them
he was
have you not seen his quote?
opaque coyote
No
opaque coyote
10/10
arctic talon
can't belive GW made him less racist
I'm not a huge fan of how GW has changed farsight's lore in some ways but also whatever
he used to be a lot less uh
nice
arctic talon
Ethereal Nathan'yahu???
Thats Ethereal An'yahu to you
storm jungle
LMAO
storm jungle
its up there with Etheral O'bama (he loves drones)
target that space marine wedding
🫡
arctic talon
anyone with an O in their name is extremely low hanging fruit
rose thorn
ooo tau talk
rose thorn
whats kroot naming conventions?
rose thorn
damn
rose thorn
insane stellaris question,
a; can you actulaly win?
b; how do religious pacifists win?
arctic talon
anyways
Aun:Ethereal
Shas: Fire caste
Por: water caste
Kor: air caste
Earth: Fio
arctic talon
insane stellaris question,
a; can you actulaly win?
b; how do religious pacifi...
you win/get placings at year 2500, empire score can let you win, also pacifists can kick in the teeth of genocidal or warlike empires(assuming they aren't fanatic pacifist) and also you can fight back and conquer idiots who try attacking you
rose thorn
im fanatic spiritualist and casual pacifist
arctic talon
yeah you're fine then
if you were fanatic pacifist I was gona give you condolances on picking probably the worst option in the game
rose thorn
i know about the super science vicotries, i am science rushing
victorie3s
sorry i was carrying a box of tea and my arm is super sore lmao
arctic talon
but yeah war is necessary to an extent in Stellaris
arctic talon
defensive wars as a pacifist should be taken advantage of to weaken/cripple the enemy
rose thorn
2 factions did a secret feulty to me, which idk what that measn but i just send them food whent ehy are at war
arctic talon
and if they're militarists/genocidal
well
you can just beat the crap out of them for being mean
rose thorn
lmao
arctic talon
2 factions did a secret feulty to me, which idk what that measn but i just send ...
Secret fealty means if you declare a war of liberation on their overlord they'll join you in the war and when you win the war they'll become your vassal or you can free them
arctic talon
lmao
rose thorn
i may or may not have single handedly crashed the price of food
arctic talon
if you're wondering how having a vassal is morally compatible with being a pacifist
think about it as you protecting them and exploiting them and giving them a boost to their economy
arctic talon
but humanitarian site is like
prolly one of the best overlord buildings in the game
since it costs food but it gives you loyalty + more resources
lol
rose thorn
im gonna see if ic an get the 2 pre ftl factions that becmae ftl factions i let have their home systems will become vassals
arctic talon
do note
having a lot of vassels will decrease loyalty
unless you take something
I forgot what it was
rose thorn
ah
having 2 mega corp neighbors that are 3 times my size has protected me from the horrors of space
arctic talon
Ah
rose thorn
no one has declared war on me, i have not even taste an ounce of violence
rose thorn
rose thorn
LMAO
i have a symbiotic relationship with walmart and lockheed martin
every once in a while i have too much money and just dump it into their wallets, and in return i play scientist
praise the crab god
i am somehow the 4th most powerful faction in the galaxy
according to the council
arctic talon
rose thorn
LMAO
theyd id it they solved teh cold war
i think next run ill do a hivemind mega corp and see how that goes
rose thorn
Ah my bad
green loom
I've been doing like
Egalitarian fanatic materialist
Dwarf dwarfs
I'm learning how to tech rush rn
opaque coyote
If you can summarize any period or major event of 40k with TWO SENTENCES, how would you do it?
Here is mine
Great Crusade:
"We have come to ""invite"" you to the Imperium!"
"Get the FUCK OUT OF MY PLANET-"
arctic talon
wait is that a megacorp ethic
Yeah
crystal forum
i guess that's what would happen if ancaps and ancoms joined forces
wildest timeline
winged jacinth
society composed of REIs and independent grocery stores
daring creek
Is there any official comparison to how skilled a guardsman is compared to a US Marine or something like that?
arctic talon
no because guard training varys wildly
daring creek
Ah.
How about an Ultramarine vs the US military? Or like how immune they are to what can be thrown at them
crystal forum
Is there any official comparison to how skilled a guardsman is compared to a US ...
for like a cadian?
daring creek
Like a tank
daring creek
for like a cadian?
Sure
crystal forum
gotta specify the regiment since some barely train and some do it harder
crystal forum
Sure
cadians live their entire lives from birth to death as tools of war
it's in their entire society
daring creek
Awesome
arctic talon
if we wana use game statistics a guardsmen from a famous regiment is 21% more likely to hit a target then a non conscript US Soldier during WW2
crystal forum
so their training goes beyond just physical
they're trained since birth too
to survive and fight
arctic talon
Most of the big famous regiments
are kind of crazy dedicated to war
tbh
at the very least the amount of training they get is higher
crystal forum
their equipment is shit though
if you compare them to how US marines are equipped in the modern age relative to the rest of the world's militaries
arctic talon
yeah\
opaque coyote
cadians live their entire lives from birth to death as tools of war
Honestly so many forces in the imperium grow up as tools of war that I'm genuinely wondering
Who the fuck DOESN'T live their entire lives as tools of war