40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

so is Sodom

[near wasp]

one planet died in starwars

[dapper gyro]

The most "grim dark" was the 2000-2010s period.

[near wasp]

just one and it was not a footnote

[storm jungle]

it really wasnt

[surreal nest]

So we teach kids that its ok if one entire planet of people die

Also no that planet was a massive deal

[celest willow]

keep confusing it with Commorragh

[storm jungle]

[surreal nest]

They just exploded a planet with a moon sized space station for a show of power

[celest willow]

they sound simillar on purpose am pretty sure

[surreal nest]

Thats like a very extremely important plot point

[crisp heath]

They didn't really tell me any of the lore now I think of it

[queen laurel]

OK but warhammer is dark but star wars on the other hand

[crisp heath]

It was all about the table top

[near wasp]

you got me there

[celest willow]

tbh they just cut to black

[storm jungle]

You see their corpses later

LMAO

[crisp heath]

Probably explains why my lore knowledge is so bad

[queen laurel]

^

[surreal nest]

Everybody knows child killing in media is only dark when you see it happen

[queen laurel]

the corpse is my guy the corpses

[storm jungle]

No joke this yeah. Movies avoid killing kids or just "imply" it.

its a huge ratings thing

meanwhile tho adults are open season

[dapper gyro]

Kids killing people in Star Wars all the time

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Star Wars Rebels where these teenagers kill like thousands of stormtroopers

[surreal nest]

Do we even know if Alderaan had people on it if they never showed it

[ornate estuary]

Ahh to be young and playing the original fallout 1/2

[surreal nest]

Just things to think about

[dapper gyro]

Oh, the cinematic line of " I killed them all, the women, and children, too."

[celest willow]

rebel propaganda the planet was a death world with a bunch of rebel spies

[surreal nest]

It is so insane when a movie actually is just like fuck it I think I won't cut to black

[surreal nest]

And its like ayo wait white boy getting down and then its the most graphic shit I've ever seen and now I understand why they choose to do that

[dapper gyro]

The Clone Wars Ahsoka was very young, she was still killing left and right.

People enjoy that!

[celest willow]

ok here is the thing star wars is marketed more towards pre teens and up

war hammer is marketing towards even younger

[surreal nest]

How many head shaped dents do the walls in your room have

[dapper gyro]

I mean, if you read the old Star Wars EU, the theme is very mature.

[crisp heath]

I'm still kinda mad Disney just decided like a good 40% of starwars was to be thrown away

[storm jungle]

star wars is also very much marketed towards kids

[celest willow]

if your so dense to notice star wars has phases where it aimed at younger viewers then aged up

[dapper gyro]

So on one hand, you have kid shows and marketing. On the other hand, a lot of adult tensions in the media that kids don't consume.

[storm jungle]

its why shit like Andor was groundbreaking

[celest willow]

am all for teaching kids mature life lessons in a healthy way but war hammer is brain dead violence

[surreal nest]

I cannot say a time in history where starwars has specifically aimed for teens and up besides Andor because thats more than teens

They would not want to do that

[storm jungle]

Nobody cares about it, they are here to paint minis and maybe read a few books, violence will always be cool to most kids/younger people.

idk why this is so hard to get

[dapper gyro]

I mean, COD is also brain dead violence... And I hear of the legendary voice chat in that game.

[storm jungle]

toys/commercial stuff have been peddling violent shit to kids since WW2 lol

[crisp heath]

I'd actually say it teaches them to socialise and what not

[celest willow]

if I had a kid I wouldnt let them play cod tell there 13 imma be honest

[surreal nest]

I am generally not a fan of massive companies trying to get kids hooked onto a brand. But if its going to be anything, let it be a creative outlet

[queen laurel]

If something's like aliens versus predators can get toys for kids then why can't warhammer introduce them into some younger audience you know

[golden imp]

Kids don’t want to be knights fighting dragons anymore, they wanna be firing a machine gun into zombies lol

[dapper gyro]

Halo is also violent, Halo CE is almost a horror game, and kids like that.

[surreal nest]

Halo is rated M so not really an example that applies

[dapper gyro]

Was it?

I thought it was R.

[crisp heath]

I swear it used to be 15+

[surreal nest]

I think it was very close to getting an adult rating

Due to the flood

[storm jungle]

I played Cod2 as a girl when I was like 9 or 10

[surreal nest]

I was a gears of war baby. It did damage

[storm jungle]

also THIS

[celest willow]

I get some of yalls points but here is the thing I dont mind kids buying warhammer figures to play the table tops but I dont like the game's lore being branded to them

[crisp heath]

I remeber the dday bit and stalingrad so well lmao

[storm jungle]

Lmfao yep

[storm jungle]

I mean you can think that, it still will be branded to them.

GW knows this shit sells

[surreal nest]

The lore generally isnt branded to you unless you go looking for it which is pretty much the entire point

[celest willow]

have you talked to a kid about any video game's lore they dont shut up

kid's are like magnets to that stuff

[dapper gyro]

Hey, I hate a lot of things in 40K, too.

[ornate estuary]

The problem with SW to me was it never went anywhere. They need to do things that actually expand the universe beyond the numbered episode films. Tell stories /in/ the universe that aren't inner connected with everything else. Andor and the mandalorian are great, hell even skeleton crew. But they are still super connected to the episodic films.

Just give me a heist, or a detective, or literally any other type of story in that universe that isn't connected to the films. FFS

[surreal nest]

There's probably a difference between a video game story and buying a box of miniatures

[crisp heath]

I need to try watching andor properly I can't get into it

[surreal nest]

Your comparison relies on the aspect that the child is actively being fed into a storyline

[crisp heath]

I been told it's really good

[celest willow]

it gets good the start is a bit meh

[storm jungle]

Its not meh

people just cannot sit down to focus on some character building

[celest willow]

I am said people

[storm jungle]

Death.

[storm jungle]

Its the best ever star wars media made and we wont get anything like it ever again.

its overhyped for a very good reason

[celest willow]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaugh-gif-26144251

[crisp heath]

I'm at the start it's just I can't get myself to watch ep 2 lol

[dapper gyro]

Because it is actually mature.

[storm jungle]

ep2

bro you barely even fucking started

[crisp heath]

Idk why but star wars just annoys me now 😭

[dapper gyro]

Acolyte was an eh show...

[storm jungle]

Theres literally almost zero "star wars"y stuff i nteh show though

barely any stormtroopers, no jedi, no force powers, nothing

its just actual rebel shit lol

[crisp heath]

I'm gonna watxh ep 2

[dapper gyro]

If you watch it as a spin off and not some "but SW have to do this and that". It is good. Slow burn.

[storm jungle]

It legit gets good, be strong

[celest willow]

say when is warhammer gonna make that show

[ornate estuary]

The first 5 episodes of season 2 are a waste of time, but the back half is amazing.

[celest willow]

didnt amazon pick it up or something

[golden imp]

Rogue one and andor are good

My favorite Star Wars media

[ornate estuary]

And season one was amazing

[surreal nest]

I hope the Amazon show never comes out

Henry cavil annoys me

[dapper gyro]

Without the 1st half, the second half of S2 wouldn't be that good.

[vagrant fox]

I'd entirely dismissed Star Wars as the most bungled and deadbrained series on the planet but Andor was good

[crisp heath]

I never was that star wars person , bro I didn't even finish the Disney movies I got to the 2nd one at the movie thetre and didn't bother to see the 3rd

[storm jungle]

awful take

[dapper gyro]

So much build up, if you watch it the 2nd time, you understand the action of the characters.

[dapper gyro]

It is in limbo.

[storm jungle]

I hate the fandom for idolizing him like some messiah tbh

[storm jungle]

Thats kinda the funny thing with Andor

so many of these star wars shows with popular IP characters flopped

yet somehow

the show with THE most "who the fuck was this guy again?" is the most peak one

its hilarious

[dapper gyro]

Rogue One is so good.

[storm jungle]

100%

[ornate estuary]

It's the most boring shit.

[crisp heath]

I liked rouge one

I'll give it to Disney there

[storm jungle]

"boring shit" is crazy

[storm jungle]

thats mostly because the same creator of Andor, Gilroy saved it post-production and reshot like half the movie from being the regular slop we all hate.

[surreal nest]

All he does during interviews is list of names of novels or wadhammer characters

It annoys me so bad

[dapper gyro]

The combat scenes in Rogue One is the best of the series honestly. Feel like an actual war.

[ornate estuary]

You can tell that the first 5 episodes were written before they knew they rest of the seasons the show was going to have were cancelled.

[storm jungle]

But like, no???

it wasnt cancelled

they decided to end it early lol

[surreal nest]

"So I hear you enjoy this hobby right?"

Henry cavil leans back

"Yes...the horus heresy" like oh my god shut the fuck up

[crisp heath]

Allright allright I'll sit down and priperly watch it , you were correct about rdr2

[storm jungle]

also Gilroy is involved heavily with the story department, there isnt any "written before they knew what they were gonna do"

like, what

[storm jungle]

LMAO

RD2 is another beast tbh

[surreal nest]

Rogue one was pretty brutal

[ornate estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-yeah-gif-815126498296623781

[storm jungle]

Rogue One is

[dapper gyro]

My eyes

The white background

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-yakuza-can-you-shut-up-shut-your-mouth-gif-9966065835841311517

[surreal nest]

The image of god is often paralyzing

[ornate estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-man-no-man-no-gif-7347715096894588969

[surreal nest]

I have an entire gallery of all the hamster drawings and whenever I open it up my phone turns bright white and my face just becomes consumed by light

It might be brighter than my flashlight

[crisp heath]

Andor was the pilot in rouge one right?

[storm jungle]

Nah

[dapper gyro]

Why do you do that to yourself?

[storm jungle]

he was one of the rebel spies

tho he IS a pretty good pilot lol

[dapper gyro]

Eh???

My man is really a nobody...

[crisp heath]

Okie gotya

[surreal nest]

I am but a shepherd

[dapper gyro]

The pilot in Rogue One has long black hair.

[crisp heath]

I haven't seen rouge one in years

The pilot was the Droid right?

Smh

Oh ffs

[dapper gyro]

😑

[storm jungle]

the pilot was that one Bodi guy

tho hes not really a huge character in the movie just a plot device to get the story moving

[dapper gyro]

Died by a grenade, poor the guy.

[storm jungle]

He legit had one of the worse deaths too

guy blows up inside an entire cargo-lifter 💀

[surreal nest]

Did that dumbass robot die i forget

[storm jungle]

his name is K2SO you fucking degenerate

[dapper gyro]

Also, the fighter/bomber pilots sacrificed themselves to accomplish the missions.

[storm jungle]

praying he breaks your neck 🙏

[storm jungle]

yeah like 90% of the attack force of rebels dies in the final battle

which was unseen at the time lol

[dapper gyro]

Like, some of the pilots I thought they would be war heroes for the rebel or something, but they all died.

[crisp heath]

That's kinda a big reason I enjoyed that movie

[surreal nest]

I knew he died

Im pretty sure every rogue one crew member died actually

Right?

[storm jungle]

Yeah everyone

its pretty fucked up

its why the movie is so good

[crisp heath]

The end was pretty peak that was a awesome battle

[storm jungle]

the entire Scariff engagement is great yeah

[crisp heath]

That blind jedi guy

[storm jungle]

its like vietnam mixed with the pacific theatre

[storm jungle]

bro got cooked by a grenade 😭

[surreal nest]

Unheard of for most franchise films nowadays, actual loss

[crisp heath]

I swear there's a game w that map In it

[storm jungle]

yeah Battlefront

its a REALLY nice unique location so its not surprisign

[surreal nest]

Feel like most movies recently end as they begin with nothing that really happens

[storm jungle]

correct 😔

[crisp heath]

Movies tell situations not story's lately

[surreal nest]

I loved that update

[crisp heath]

Even the avengers movies

[surreal nest]

Shoretroopers!!! Wahoooo!!!

[dapper gyro]

Watching Andor, a character who you know is going to die, is funny, because he wasn't some random person.

[storm jungle]

Shoretroopers are so good man, they barely do anything but look cool as fuck so we all cheer for them

[crisp heath]

jet 2 music plays

[surreal nest]

Yeah they really didnt do shit

We really need more stormtrooper regiments or whatever showcased

[storm jungle]

I saw a great meme

where it was mocking how dumb the stormtrooper naming convention is

"Oh this planet has a giant ditch? Put Stormtroopers there and call them Ditch Troopers."

ITS LITERALLY WHAT THEY ALWAYS DO

[dapper gyro]

Lunch trooper...

[surreal nest]

Im ngl I googled ditch troopers because I thought you were referring to an actual brand of trooper i haven't heard of

Being so fr

[crisp heath]

Sand troopers

[surreal nest]

They really are so uncreative I never noticed that

[crisp heath]

Scout troopers

[surreal nest]

I guess sith troopers are the most unique?

But even then

[crisp heath]

It's just another flavour of trooper

I never noticed this till now

[storm jungle]

[dapper gyro]

Helmet on at all time.

[surreal nest]

Ok i guess Death Troopers is different too

Still a generic name but its not just describing them

[storm jungle]

stuff like Death Troopers is fine because they look badass as shit

[crisp heath]

Lego star wars was so peak

[storm jungle]

Lego Star wars is THE goat

https://tenor.com/view/lego-star-wars-lego-gif-142598123826803316

[dapper gyro]

Captain Plasma was a waste.

[crisp heath]

They remastered them recently I'm pretty sure

[storm jungle]

yeah but its not the same man

the original games are so better

WHERE THEY ALSO DIDNT FUCKING TALK

[crisp heath]

Saw it on the gamepass , what they talk now??

[surreal nest]

Idk i like captain plasma

[storm jungle]

it was a trend started with Lego Batman 2 YEAAARS ago

all lego games have them talking now

its fucking terrible, removes all the comedy

[crisp heath]

[storm jungle]

YEP

Actual dark ages

[surreal nest]

Sue me liberals, I enjoyed the new dialogue for what it was

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[dapper gyro]

😑

[storm jungle]

same

[plush mason]

no matter what, 40k never fails to nail the epic poses

[surreal nest]

It really is a sick pose

I wish space marines were fun to paint 🥹

[crisp heath]

They can be fun

They have some cool characters

Ok andor ep 1 let's go

[ornate estuary]

@storm jungle I think I have a literary equivalent to the first part of season two that might convey my distaste. The first part of season two is book 10 of the wheel of time. It sets up everything that comes after it, but it's a slog.

[dapper gyro]

I wish that they bring back the 54mm/1:32 scale game.

[crisp heath]

That titan game?

[surreal nest]

Just too many flat panels and theyre just one color, not interesting for me

[dapper gyro]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisitor_(game)#:~:text=Player characters are usually represented,Heroic scale of WH40K miniatures.

[crisp heath]

Oh the basic marines are boring

[dapper gyro]

Titanicus game is smaller scale btw, so that they can make the titan size reasonable.

1:32 is really more for people to collect the mini than playing anything. Big enough for details while not taking too much space.

[crisp heath]

I meant the old warhammer epic game that has the 8mill squads and the cardboard buildings you out together from like early 90s I want to say?

They had like 32mill red and blue titans

[dapper gyro]

I don't know about that one.

[crisp heath]

Hold on I'll find it

[crisp heath]

Mt freind had like boxes and boxes full of this

Warhammer epic

His dad collected warhammer back when you had to order the models through white dwarf

[dapper gyro]

Interesting

[crisp heath]

This guy's actually for this game

That's old morty

Primarch of the death gaurd

[rocky gale]

Be careful who you call ugly in highschool

[crisp heath]

Want to post Some warhammer crossover art here

Can I speak to a mod

[celest dome]

Non-warhammer stuff is allowed here too

As long as it's not smut or Ai stuff

Oh there's gonna be a Red Sonja movie

God did I forget how unarmoured she is 💀

[crisp heath]

Considering how red Sonja looks in the comics this is not goin g to be good.

[celest dome]

The trailer look good tbh

[rose thorn]

woudl look great on a dark angels diorama

[crisp heath]

Ah Dark Angles AKA Everything the Averange Black Templar wish they were.

[celest willow]

I think it is funny that people consider the chapter that mercy kills with fire to be the most ethical

[valid needle]

No they don’t

Completely different type of knight plus BT already existed as the Templar brethren back when big E made the legions.

Infact the only similarity BT and DA have is they are knights, albeit two different sub type of knights.

[storm jungle]

Its mostly just bias and memes

the fandom is very braindead when it comes to the infatuation with Salamanders, GW is also simply bad at presenting the Sallies as ever doing anything morally questionable

[celest willow]

they burned down a entire planet because it was at peace with the eldar

[storm jungle]

Thats 1 incident

the lore very much doesnt do a good job of showing them doing anything properly bad lol

[celest dome]

Ok, but which Legion didn't do something equal too

[celest willow]

their reasoning was hella messed up tho

it was even these people are traitors they where just pissed of that eldar helped

[celest dome]

Again, which Legion hasn't done that too

[valid needle]

Le big wholesome good guy faction cuddly caring marines

[celest willow]

most chapters would be pissed bc in their eyes it is betrayal while the salamanders where just being vindictive

[crisp heath]

The Blood Ravens Chapter master does backflips in terminator armor.

[celest dome]

Not a Legion

[crisp heath]

Also everyone is saying the IOM is cooked ....may I remind everyoen thought these guys were cooked during hte PAPI WAR and unlike the IOM the enitre universe was united against them.

[arctic talon]

They do in the rulebooks smh

[opaque coyote]

To be fair, it's partially human nature to attach to anything good

Even if it isn't... good

The salamanders are more like the least worst because they won't shoot a kid for accidentally being in their way

[storm jungle]

no

[storm jungle]

only took them to like 9th edition

and to retcon what a pre-existing company previously did

[arctic talon]

The name was already there

It’s a good change smh

Also 8e

[young pecan]

The only dark skinned chapter being the most racist

???

Why did writers do that

[opaque coyote]

Funny

[dapper gyro]

Actually*

[opaque coyote]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IEJ4L4R6ZyQ?si=qXY6910GiyWVQHzw

[arctic talon]

They’re not the most racist, Kyme just decided to make it so that they were canonically racist. There’s a few other chapters that are racist lol

[young pecan]

Who is more racist?

On a human to human scale, I mean

[arctic talon]

Red Scorpions literally do genetic purity tests for people on their recruitment worlds

To some unknown defined “pure” scale

The salamanders racism is just irl “casual” racism but in 40k

[dapper gyro]

There is that one primaris chapter that would clean an entire planet if they see a single person "impure".

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah lmao

[dapper gyro]

Of course they only dare to do that on planets lacking of IG or other SM protection.

[arctic talon]

They’re a UM sucessor iirc

[arctic talon]

Gotta kick down

[dapper gyro]

Try that on a named guard regiment planet and they would have been obliterated.

[storm jungle]

DID, not the NAME

SHUT UP

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

@storm jungle

More like

Bitchfinder Dumblara (She/Her)

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/so-what-agree-maybe-columbo-gif-18453480

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/nanami-kiryuu-laugh-anime-laugh-nanami-utena-utena-gif-24993693

[opaque coyote]

Wtf is this type of laugh called anyways

I always just called it "Rich Bitch" laugh

Since that's what it is

[arctic talon]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoblewomansLaugh

Here

[dapper gyro]

Do you remember who they are exactly?

For some reason, I couldn't find them anywhere anymore.

[storm jungle]

im 99% sure it was a Dark Angels successor

i shared them here a few weeks ago

[arctic talon]

Based

And genocide pilled

Yet another dark angels W

[storm jungle]

lmfao real

[tough haven]

That’s a really nice color scheme, ngl

[paper haven]

Dark Angels really are the best legion

[dapper gyro]

Real

[arctic talon]

For the dark angels and their sucessors its always drip o'clock

[paper haven]

Being the first legion, they got first dibs on all the color combinations

[celest willow]

why does the imperium use black ships

like why dont they farm the psykers like they do with the navigators

seems redundant to waste resources hunting them down

[tough haven]

Cause new folks are constantly becoming psychic

Navigators are hereditary

[celest willow]

or maybe the emperor likes free ranged food😔

[crystal forum]

navigators farm themselves

[paper haven]

I don't think psykers are a hereditary thing

The vast majority don't survive long enough to have children

[arctic talon]

They are inconsistently

But yeah

[rose thorn]

Hey can characters from agents of the imperium be the warlord in your army, just curious

[crystal forum]

the imperium probably doesnt want psykers to have the political power that navigators wield

[arctic talon]

Aside from the assassins yes

[rose thorn]

Neat

[opaque coyote]

So how much damage can a longlas do?

Like they're supposed to be sniper rifles (kinda)

So I expect they'd do more than a regular lasgun

[naive cliff]

They’re a lot more powerful. A long-las draws enough power to drain the power cell in a single shot (if I’m remembering Mad Larkin from GG correctly). But this is 40k and a dozen sources will tell you a dozen different things, all of which are true. I don’t think there’s a universal, definitive power level for the long-las.

[gaunt lily]

Long Las tends to refer to the gun rather than the powerpack afaik (though theyre typically paired with hotshot packs) the gun itself is basically an extended lasgun to make the shots go further (better focus less diffusion etc) and typically issued with a high magnification scope

according to the wiki the tanith go a step further and use overcharged hotshot packs because reasons

[golden imp]

Navigator is hereditary, is pysker at all hereditary?

[gaunt lily]

do the imperium allow psykers to have children?

[golden imp]

Like does a pysker having a kid increase the odds of more pyskers?

[gaunt lily]

... i suppose some inquisitors are psykers and theyd have kids, idk if psykers have higher chances of having psyker kids though

id expect it not to be the case, with navigators its more that theyre a mutant/abhuman strain that happens to be psychically sensitive, where typical psykers are a result of a psychically sensitive soul rather than mutation iirc

[green loom]

I'm pretty sure everyone just has the psyker gene

And it'll sometimes just activate

[tough haven]

Also depends greatly on pattern and modification and etc.

[tough haven]

More grist for the mill

I dont think imperium reguarly imposes bans on children

[golden imp]

Lot of talk about the terminus decree in 40k social media. Was it revealed or something?

Or just theorizing?

[arctic talon]

It got revealed as one of the last orders the emperor gave before he went fully comatose, which is if he tries getting off the throne, is going to ascend into a chaos god or “revives” and gets off the throne to put him back on it or kill him in the case of ascension

[golden imp]

Hm

Not sure I like that, thought it was cooler wondering what it could be

[arctic talon]

The reveal is very w/e imo

I agree

But idrc

Cat is out of the bag now

[golden imp]

It makes sense I guess

[arctic talon]

Oh well

[golden imp]

But eh

[arctic talon]

It’s very whatever lore to me

Tbh

They’ve been revealing more about it every GK codex since 5e lol

[golden imp]

I did enjoy the funny memes of custodes curbstomping GK’s

My favorite one was some dude who said individually a grey knight would beat a custodes due to pysker powers but more custodes means they win

Which was really funny

[dapper gyro]

It is not far fetched considering how overpowered psykers are. If not for the Wolfies able to go toe to toe against GK.

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but should vashtorr get his own unique daemons?

[golden imp]

Custodes did well slapping the shit out of the thousand sons

[nocturne crest]

As a model unit.

[golden imp]

Which are better(?) pyskers so idk

I figured they just mulch anything space marine shaped as long as it unamed lol

[crisp heath]

I think he should

[dapper gyro]

I'm not sure about this.

[nocturne crest]

It would be neat to see some sort of mini daemon engines.

[dapper gyro]

Also, the banana boys did get assistance from the SoS.

[golden imp]

And they will again in a grey knight fight

Individually though I’d imagine a custodes would just cut them in half before they can cast a spell

Rush em

[sacred ginkgo]

Also like

The sisters of silence

The dedicated a anti psyker unit most often seen in company of the custodies

[dapper gyro]

Well, they say 1 on 1. You are not going to bring a tank in because there is a tank in SM company.

I dislike GK, but considering their selection, you have to get a young child with a high psychic power index, which means early psychic awakening, many psykers get their awakening later in life, not get killed, get selected, then get some over the top training to even be considered to join the GK.

SM librarians are well trained to invoke their power with barely any warm up, the GK is even more than that.

In a physical feat though, they are just marines.

In a full scale fight, with the SoS, 100 custodians can make the entire GK extinct.

[celest dome]

I find it funny that people consider the Terminus decree to just be a post-it note telling the GK to go murk the Emperor

[summer mural]

whyd they like

introduce it

what was the point

[celest dome]

Cause its part of the Imperium, and the Imperium is meant to be a self defeating faction

[dusky beacon]

are there any pre-existing chapters that have a focus on Plasma based weaponry?

[celest dome]

The Dark Angels are focused on Plasma, so many of their successors are likewise

[arctic talon]

dark angels and their sucessors

[arctic talon]

to tie into the Dark King shit from the End and the Death

and how much the emperor fears becoming a god

thats like about it

[dusky beacon]

huh i would have thought it would be like a Salamanders Successor or something

[dapper gyro]

Salamander is melta and flamer.

[dusky beacon]

well yeah thats why i said successor

[dapper gyro]

Salamander doesn't have many successor and they don't stray for from each other, until the Ultima founding.

[arctic talon]

Sallies had 1 confirmed successor pre primaris

And they were cursed founding

[raven stone]

It’s a potentially cool bit of lore, poorly executed - basically Emps told the Grey Knights “look if I myself ever threaten humanity, kill me.”
Custodes and SoS are, by Emp’s personal estimation, likely to follow him no matter what and loyal to a fault or something.

[surreal nest]

Are there any successor chapters from former loyalist legions?

[raven stone]

Successors chapters from Legions what went traitor you mean.

Potentially quit a few

Blood Ravens likely from Thousand Sons

Red Scorpions from Emperor’s Children potentially.

Characadons speculated to have some loyalist Night Lord elements in the past (most likely loyalist shattered legion formation of Ravenguard/Night Lords/World Eaters)

Alpha Legion genuine loyalist could be in deep disguise as any sort of loyalist chapter.

Due to being able to, well, do anything.

[surreal nest]

Very informative thank you

Blood angels being potentially an offshoot of thousand sons is very exciting news to me personally

Blood ravens*

[raven stone]

No no, don’t confuse Blood Ravens with Blood Angels 😅

[surreal nest]

Typo dw

Almost just caused my death by the hands of a million people

[hexed orchid]

I don't get the Night Lords connection with the Charcaradons personally. Their only connection seems to be skin colour.

Which the Raven Guard also have and the sharks have a much stronger connection too

[median star]

so i helldrakes hellbrute etc are human and origin does chaos ever not have demon engine type stuff built off xeno bases

[shadow plover]

Charcaradons are almost certainly Raven Guard, it's all but straight up confirmed

[queen laurel]

I'm not familiar with Raven guard gene seed but do they exhibit mutations like that of the space sharks?

[shadow plover]

paleness and dark eyes, but the mutations aren't the only linking factor. Lots of other stuff has been drawn from early Raven Guard culture

[queen laurel]

i see

[shadow plover]

the main theory is that they're an heresy era chapter that was exiled

[hexed orchid]

They share history with the ashen claws too, who we know are Raven Guard

The World Eaters hybrid geneseed is strongly hinted at though

Based on the battle rage and comments/actions from the Ashen Claws

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/Y7QAmYz3E6s?si=o962KnRHg5gdALBQ

It’s real

The fucking top comment lmao

[shadow plover]

It's beautiful

[tough haven]

The comments are all hilarious

It’s interesting I was recommended this as Jerma’s darktide stream informed me of Darktide’s existence

Unrelated but

https://youtube.com/shorts/TBFIHWwYLr4?si=0JLDDEPtBCgBJpl6

[dapper gyro]

Where do you that from?

Ashens Claws are descendent of terran Raven Guard, who are very different from Corax Deliverance Raven Guard.

Even in universe, the terran Raven Guard is said to be closer to Night Lords in attitude.

[storm jungle]

If a book demands it yes. Chaos engineers can just do anything the plot requires if its cool on paper.

[hexed orchid]

The segment with the Ashen Claws in Outer Dark.

||AC Chapter Master refers to some sort of hybrid geneseed with the Sharks.

He also insists Char fights a World Eater, which feels very intentional based on his words and Chars reaction||

And the whole blindness/rage issue, the way they are frequently said to "butcher" opponents. It all feels very intentional too.

[winged jacinth]

When it comes down to it like 99% of chaos followers are humans at this point anyway
So you basically get human heretic construction and stuff like soulgrinders that vashtorr cooks up

For it to be anything else its gotta be like, super ancient or from a previously unmentioned alien species

[storm jungle]

Yeah again I really need to come up with a term for this but its like the ultimate rule of writing for Warhammer, I guess you can just refer to it as the Rule of Cool?

The ridiculousness of the setting allows for the writers to essentially come up with any sort of character, event, item, unit etc.

Gate of Bones the book just has them build an entire planetary cannon powered by the souls of the dead + built from trillions of deceased peoples' bones, limbs, bodies etc.

Why? Its cool lol

[winged jacinth]

Yeah i just mean like
The venn diagram of "serves chaos" and "can use a wrench" basically overlaps on "human heretic" and not much else

[storm jungle]

Yeah also again if the author wants it, its being put in

[winged jacinth]

Pink horrors arent going to build a tank i don't think they even have thumbs

[queen laurel]

Brutal cunning moment

[winged jacinth]

Wtf pink horrors do have thumbs

[queen laurel]

yeah they do why did you think they didn't have

[winged jacinth]

I thought they were tentacular

[queen laurel]

they do have tentacles on their heads but no they have basic hands

[fervent gull]

Can the armor scions wearing black small arms fire?

*block

[median star]

specifically the terran born original ravenguard if i recall

[winged jacinth]

Its carapace iirc so yeah for certain definitions of small arms

[fervent gull]

Which weapons are those?

Carapace's hardness isnt exactly specified in the wikis

[winged jacinth]

It'll shrug off like a hive gangers shitty autopistol

Lasguns have wildly variable output depending on the author

[median star]

yea i know anything ever can happen its nonfiction obv is their any known examples known about tho

[winged jacinth]

And then like, do you consider a bolt pistol small arms lol

[fervent gull]

What about an autogun a cultist uses?

[fervent gull]

The issue is I dont understand what the franchise deems as 'small arms'

For them maybe an autogun is small arms too for example it is described like that for space marine armor

[winged jacinth]

It does so by portability not effect

[storm jungle]

Then no lol

tabletop moment

[fervent gull]

Portability?

[winged jacinth]

Like can you carry it around easily

[fervent gull]

Oh I see

[median star]

a las cannon can be small arms if youre big enough

[winged jacinth]

In real life theres a direct correlation between power and size

[winged jacinth]

Or if a jokaero gives you funny jewelry

[fervent gull]

I see now, thx

[median star]

need a character that just has ten diff rings and thats their whole personality

[winged jacinth]

In 40k small arms are basically anything a baseline human can tote around, which is basically how we define it irl but in 40k that weapon might be like, an inferno pistol

[storm jungle]

small arms definitely translates to like "moderate firearms that cant really punch much above their weight"

in 40k i mean lol

[winged jacinth]

If i ever made an inquisitor oc he'd have so many jokaero weaponsmiths

[median star]

id say necron gauss is a small arm but it punches way above what something of its size normally would

[storm jungle]

Lmao no

a gauss weapon is nowhere near "small arms"

it melts fucking tanks

[winged jacinth]

Everybody gangster until the de stijl sculpture starts invoking black holes

[storm jungle]

If a canon Inquisitor can have a retinue of 36 kroot that he brought to an Inquisitorial council meeting so can you with jokaero

[median star]

my retinue will be a circus

[winged jacinth]

Jokaero don't even talk or eat people!

[storm jungle]

they DO kinda talk but its literally just an extremely smart Orangutan so lol

[winged jacinth]

The trouble is you can just pay 36 kroot and they'll work for you

[fervent gull]

Ah yes, talking about what is counted as small arms in the franchise where they have a bigger mech than the statue of liberty

[median star]

just imagining other inquestiors going by the emperor what is that and its just oh dont mind them they just have autism

[fervent gull]

Best conversation

[queen laurel]

Just make sure he treats them actually nice because I don't want to wake up and accidentally have my air conditioning turned into a bio weapon that can freeze an entire sector of the ship

[winged jacinth]

Necron gauss weapons are in a weird spot where they're so advanced they're simulaneously battle rifles and MANPAT

[storm jungle]

Yeah a single cohort of Warriors can just kill a leman russ lol

and thats basic soldiery

anything above that and we kinda move into more crazy territory

[summer mural]

do they have female necrons

[storm jungle]

yes

why wouldnt they

[tough haven]

But in my campaign my space marine player casually tanked a crit headshot from one, was genuinely upsetting

[summer mural]

are they hot?

[tough haven]

Also trans necrons

[median star]

its all comparative similar to how in worlds war 2 most light machin guns by todays classification would be considered medium machine guns

[winged jacinth]

For you know, the value of female a necron can have

[storm jungle]

That guy is a powerwanking jerk

[fervent gull]

I heard they were cold as steel

[tough haven]

Even necrons can’t avoid bad rolls (or good rolls from the enemy)

[storm jungle]

tabletop is trash its true

but also marine moment

[summer mural]

necrons are kinda cool, I hope they do necrons in sm3

[storm jungle]

"kinda" is crazy

[tough haven]

I mean it’s on brand

[fervent gull]

But steel can be heated

[storm jungle]

yeet

[winged jacinth]

Necron gameplay vs lore balance

[median star]

iron hand would win smh just get shiny new face plate

[queen laurel]

Then the thing that's like above a necron warrior is already the size of an ogryn and basically carry something that can make your molecules no longer exist

[summer mural]

also is dark heresy a owlcat game, and whats a dark heresy about, i assume its adapted from something

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-warhammer-gauss-gif-24598584

me getting hit with small arms fire

[storm jungle]

You play as teh Inquisition

thats it

[tough haven]

Tabletop rpg

[storm jungle]

any scenario is madeup for the RPG

[winged jacinth]

From the dark heresy ttrpg lol

[queen laurel]

you play that's basically an inquisitor and members of their cohort

like an arbites

[summer mural]

so you just play as an inquisitor? its basically da inquisiton in set in 40k

[tough haven]

Nearly killed the whole party due to his damn dogmatism

[storm jungle]

its literally Inquisition: the Game

[queen laurel]

^

[rocky gale]

In Dark Heresy you don't normally play as an Inquisitor, but maybe in the game

[tough haven]

And now they’re going to be drug into an admech court proceeding because of him

[summer mural]

well, hopefully your inquisitor isnt a death dealing one man army like in inquisitor martyr

[rocky gale]

You're usually an Acolyte and you might get promoted to an Interogator or something

[storm jungle]

its an rpg

so that will depend on you

lmao

[winged jacinth]

Yeah there's like 4 or 5 40k ttrpg systems for different angles on the setting

Inquisitor martyr was a silly game that probably was going to be about space marines i bet lol

[rocky gale]

It will be interesting how they do the game because Dark Heresy is a very different vibe to Rogue Trader

[shadow plover]

very excited to see how it goes

[queen laurel]

It's darker I assume?

[storm jungle]

gonna be peak, absolute peak 🗣️

[tough haven]

(Blew up a necron tomb’s reactor, and half a admech forge complex in the process, after the party’s tech priest had a divine revelation (and a god tier roll on how to disable the reactor safely, despite not being able to read can’t of it)

[winged jacinth]

Waiter, Only War crpg where you can die in chargen please!

[rocky gale]

Like Dark Heresy you're basically the mooks sent on missions the Inquisitor doesn't have time to deal with themself, lot more investigations going on and you're much weaker than Rogue Trader characters

[queen laurel]

i am 95% sure the game's stability is gonna be as stable as ork technology though

[rocky gale]

Like a lvl 1 Rogue Trader character is like a lvl 7 Dark Heresy character

[storm jungle]

Im here to have fun so, you losers can deal with the bugs

I finished RG in like its first month of release lol

[queen laurel]

i'm a day one rogue trader player

this is nothing

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262311186351788113/1296045943849750539/in-light-of-recent-news-kazotsky-kick-burnice-v0-ok2zvyr6hxud1.gif

[tough haven]

I think owlcat will only improve on their previous work

[winged jacinth]

Im gonna wait 4 years for the dlc to come out i think

[tough haven]

I’m proud of how much they’ve made it better over time, it’s like a whole new game from day one

[queen laurel]

i do hope it is it is more stable in release

[tough haven]

But yeah

I hear this one is going to be more balanced

[hallow plover]

They've done great work on Rogue Trader which i'm sure will translate to Dark Heresy

[winged jacinth]

Playing an owlcat game twice

[tough haven]

Maybe everything won’t be a cakewalk on highest difficulty

[tough haven]

I’m on my third RT run rn

[winged jacinth]

The wrath of the righteous armies segment is so painful even if you cheat

[tough haven]

Forget dark heresy though, I need Mechanicus 2 injected into my veins STAT

[winged jacinth]

After like 2 combats i turned on auto win in toybox and it still sucked

[tough haven]

You mean the pathfinder game owlcat made?

[winged jacinth]

Yeah the second one

(The first being kingmaker)

[storm jungle]

I havent done a second playthrough for RG in awhile since I want all the DLCs to come out as well lol, theres some crazy Season 2 ones from what ive seen

guh

[winged jacinth]

Im still kinda pissed my preorder with the dlcs only came with half of them afaik i still need to buy the next two

So dark heresy gets the "everything on sale before i buy" treatment

[queen laurel]

I haven't played lex imperialis too

[hallow plover]

I'm on my 3rd RT playthrough right now. First time i'm doing the DLCs and they're great

[winged jacinth]

Maybe buying the last dlc full price with the presumable sale on everything else that will happen when it launches

[hallow plover]

Servitor orchestra my beloved

[winged jacinth]

Im sure people here will randomly spoil key plot points even though its not darktide before i get around to it regardless

I had to mute this channel for like a month when RT came out but i couldn't get to it because people would come in here and go "WOW ISNT IT CRAZY THAT (character i haven't met with detailed description) DOES (important plot spoiler) IN (location i didn't know was in the game)"

Like does the game not have its own discord

[shadow plover]

same

[storm jungle]

I mean it does but you cant stop people from talking about what they want

if you want topic-segregation dont look at any warhammer related group

[tough haven]

Me either, might wait for all of them to come out tbh, especially if dark heresy is releasing

[winged jacinth]

Hmm yes i should need to avoid all content for a completely different game in order to not be bombarded with unmarked spoilers about every aspect of another

[storm jungle]

Skill issue + Remove yourself from the kitchen 🫡

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262311186351788113/1296045943849750539/in-light-of-recent-news-kazotsky-kick-burnice-v0-ok2zvyr6hxud1.gif

(this also happens with every new big game)

[winged jacinth]

Im going to find out everything you're excited for and just tell you all the twists

[storm jungle]

Okay so not even memeing, I legit do not care about spoilers of any kind

I sometimes seek spoilers out to see if something is good/done well before going into it

you cant defeat me

[winged jacinth]

I cannot imagine consuming media in such a dull and pointless way lol

"Hmm i better check how it goes ahead of time i don't want any surprises"

Why even play the game just read a synopsis

[storm jungle]

Because I want to play the game and have fun

its not a hard concept to grasp

[storm jungle]

I also said sometimes lol

I dont wanna waste time going into something im gonna waste money on + not like

[winged jacinth]

In a simpler time of the internet we had a thing called reviews

[shadow plover]

https://youtu.be/iNRyG2FUJfw?si=WcB-t2D-ksUKt3gb

[winged jacinth]

Those are not useful anymore unfortunately

[tough haven]

Tbh can’t trust reviews a lot of the time

At least 50% are fake or ai

[storm jungle]

Counterpoint: most reviewers these days are chills/bad

https://tenor.com/view/woke-sleepy-bored-tired-uninterested-gif-16428144434882720046

[tough haven]

Also I agree with the don’t post spoilers thing, but you aren’t gonna be able to stop people

If it’s 40K related they’re gonna post it here

[queen laurel]

you do realize you are threatening someone who loves sending players off ledges with barrels right

[storm jungle]

Ive literally seen people here discuss Rogue Trader spoilers in censor-bars and idiots will click on them then say they got spoiled

like if you are that much of an idiot idk what to tell you

[queen laurel]

Dilara is genuinely a dark eldar

[storm jungle]

Im not but yea

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[queen laurel]

Tell that your victims barrel shooter

[winged jacinth]

God i wish they were chills
If I Saw This Video Game In My House I Would Stomp It Into A Small Brown Stain

[winged jacinth]

Im never going to pub with dilara because i live in a real timezone

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262311186351788113/1296045943849750539/in-light-of-recent-news-kazotsky-kick-burnice-v0-ok2zvyr6hxud1.gif

[winged jacinth]

I also have 8 maxxed characters though i only play 5 after the crafting update and arbites

Rip grumple the ogryn i don't really know why i made you i didn't need to farm the ogryn melk shop

Every time they add a new class they murder one of my melk mules

[storm jungle]

8 characters

no ogryn

someone shoot this man

[queen laurel]

with pleasure

[winged jacinth]

No i went from 2 ogryn to 1

[storm jungle]

even worse

[winged jacinth]

I had 2 level 30s of each class for melk shop farming in the bad old days

[storm jungle]

melk farming

even worse

[winged jacinth]

What's wrong with checking melk shops for blessings im missing from psych ward when i logged in lol

I never did get power cycler 4 before the update

[storm jungle]

Into the pit with you along with the rest

🫡

[winged jacinth]

????

Im legitimately confused

[forest orbit]

this is just criticaldrinker

[storm jungle]

LMAO

i wish he just removed himself from my tabs tbh

[forest orbit]

same

[winged jacinth]

Im not going to spend all my resources letting hadron give me run and gun for the 300th time when it might just show up when im playing a different class

[forest orbit]

fucking hate that prick

[storm jungle]

tbh hes always been like he is

it just uhhh took the star wars sequel-trilogy to break him fully

[forest orbit]

[winged jacinth]

God that trilogy

The pain came from it being a soulless cash grab lol

[storm jungle]

Its not even cashgrab, you can do a cashgrab while still being a good movie

but they just had no idea what they were doing

😩

https://tenor.com/view/the-last-jedi-stay-mad-tlj-kylo-ren-luke-skywalker-gif-21067166

[rocky gale]

When you're trying to have a genuine discussion about the faults of the sequel trilogy and someone brings up "Woke"

https://tenor.com/view/laser-smite-smite-me-lizard-ncs-artist-gif-25704894

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

those movies legit spawned an ENTIRE ARMADA of these "anti-woke" youtubers that whine to this day about it, they've also spread their plague to other modern movies so its even worse.

[queen laurel]

the only time i'm using woke is when i woke up this day wanting to eat breakfast

[rocky gale]

Like the actual problems with the sequels is that Rian Johnson is not a good fit for Star Wars and JJ Abrams is not a good fit for literally any movie.

[storm jungle]

Yeah also again ZERO direction.

[queen laurel]

my name gripe with it is the execution is sloppy

[storm jungle]

Every movie was its own thing with nothing tying it to the previous movie.

[queen laurel]

the story is all over the place

[rocky gale]

Yea each movie directly tells us the previous one didn't matter

Which like isn't great for a trilogy

[queen laurel]

and some of the most what the fuck plot convenience

[hexed orchid]

The third did that mid movie.

When the B plot turned out to not matter in the slightest

I nearly walked out at that point

[storm jungle]

Hmmmmm

[queen laurel]

this was warhammer 40K levels of plot convenience

[storm jungle]

[dapper gyro]

That's your stack?

[rocky gale]

Prolly not, Dilara doesn't believe in physical books

[storm jungle]

^

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/2yehwjta/begin-your-conquest-of-the-age-of-darkness-with-new-combat-forces/

Horus Heresy is getting it's own version of combat patrol now

If it's the same pricing as 40k Combat Patrols, that Solar Auxilia box is juicy

[winged jacinth]

I didnt watch uhhh... 8 and 9 i guess? But i heard the "somehow palpatine survived" line and went "yeah im glad i gave up after the first one"

[storm jungle]

you basically missed nothing dont worry lol

[winged jacinth]

Didn't pay for 7 either i worked at a movie theater back then

Everything i hear about disney star wars is so sad

I like the goofy lore from lucas and the old EU

[rocky gale]

Andor peak though

[winged jacinth]

Now its like "we made a whole show about how thrawn is scary but nothing actually happens"

I heard andor was good

[shadow plover]

Yeah Andor is literally the best Star Wars has ever been

the movies vary from some of the worst movies ever seen to eh okay

then the bulk shows are quite bad too

[storm jungle]

I said this last night but its what makes Andor truly funny

[rose thorn]

I was gonna say it’s the best box guard got in a while

[storm jungle]

the show about the most nobody character is the one that rose to public prominence while the ones with all the popular characters simply are slop

[winged jacinth]

Wtf even the server won't let me speak of the lost music of the cantina

[storm jungle]

was it the J word

[winged jacinth]

Yeah lol

[shadow plover]

that's the main issue, why make shows about people we already have stories about

why do we need a kenobi show

[storm jungle]

money

[winged jacinth]

THIS IS WHAT THEY TOOK FROM US

[shadow plover]

why do we need an ashoka show

[storm jungle]

money

WE.

GOT.

TO HAVEÇ

MONEY

[shadow plover]

but they don't even make money

[winged jacinth]

Jatz my ass

[storm jungle]

they could

if they were good shows

[forest orbit]

ah yes the musical art of j i z z

[winged jacinth]

George lucas sitting down and writing the word "jizzwailer" before nodding to himself

[storm jungle]

Lucas is the only person that won

[rocky gale]

Kenobi should have been 2 episodes, you can cut 90% of the show and you've got a better product and I enjoyed Ashoka

[storm jungle]

Ahsoka was fine

they ruined Thrawn as ever though so

woke show

FAKE NEWS

[winged jacinth]

Oh yeah it was the ashoka show that had thrawn just kinda hang out on his ship the whole time wasnt it

[shadow plover]

the funny thing is that Acolyte was better than most SW shows but THAT'S the one that gets cancelled because the woke mind virus killed someones dog or something I don't know

[rocky gale]

and Acolyte was good too

[shadow plover]

and Acolyte at least had original characters

[winged jacinth]

Remember when they made rogue 1 and people loved it because it wasnt jedislop or a random mishmash of salvaged legends lore and then they never did that again

[storm jungle]

also remember when the guy that saved Rogue One also went on to make Andor

what did Gilroy mean by this

[winged jacinth]

Makes sense

[storm jungle]

the funniest part is like

[rocky gale]

But there's Witches in it who view the force differently than the Jedi do, this breaks canon and has literally never happened before in Star Wars.

[storm jungle]

okay but

night sisters are hot

so they get a pass in their eyes

[winged jacinth]

Starwars has the same problem with jedislop that 40k does with bolterporn lol

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^^^

Jedi = Space Marine

the moment they show up I hate everything

[shadow plover]

but but empowered lesbian women

next thing you know they're growing blue hair

[rocky gale]

Speaking of empowered lesbians

https://tenor.com/view/shin-hati-sabine-wren-ahsoka-star-wars-ivanna-sakhno-gif-17444828857710772010

Season 2 pls

[winged jacinth]

I think the saddest thing about "somehow palpatine returned" is they didn't even have to write a new explanation its like a whole thing in the old lore they could have just used

But he just somehow returns

[rocky gale]

Yea but Dark Empire is dumb and they shouldn't have tried to copy it either

[winged jacinth]

Sure but they could have at least said some shit about cloning or whatever

[queen laurel]

If sidious wasn't messing with the separatists they would've been gone long ago

[rocky gale]

They do

[winged jacinth]

Instead of "uhhh i guess he wasnt dead!"

Ah lol

They did not do themselves any favors with the clip framing then lol

[rocky gale]

One guy is like "He knew things, dark magics of the Sith, secret cloning techniques" and the "Somehow Palpatine returned" line is basically to shut it down and say "It doesn't matter how, we need to deal with it"

Like the Resistance didn't know how he came back, they just know he is and the line is to shut down speculation and deal with the problem

[winged jacinth]

I have a special attachment to cronal because i got roped into playing a star wars diplomacy type game as him and while i wasn't super into it at the start i awoke my scheming vizier genes

[storm jungle]

my favorite part is how the First Order also is somehow a Galactic Empire level threat when they are suppose to be like a military junta + just have infinite resources among so much other shit

[winged jacinth]

Set slightly after the original trilogy i think? I was stoking rebellions on coruscant to weaken the regent i openly supported and had an ongoing scheme to virus bomb the imperial military intelligence hq and take over their network

[rocky gale]

Yea the direction of the First Order is one of the biggest missteps of the sequels

Like how is the fringe remnant group struggling to survive in Wild Space somehow more powerful than the Empire was at it's height with the resources of the entire galaxy

[storm jungle]

^

[winged jacinth]

Honestly they did a terrible job conveying the scale of the first order yeah lol
How are they competing against the new republic's military??

[storm jungle]

^^^^ ACTUALLY WAIT

Thats another fucking thing I want to address

[winged jacinth]

"Good thing that wars over better stop building ships or training soldiers"

[rocky gale]

Literally yea

[winged jacinth]

Also where is the new republics military lol

[queen laurel]

in the 1st place can't they try to come up with another villain

why palpatine

[storm jungle]

they always establish how they are a "threat" or whatever but like we never ONCE see them establish conquest, invasions or anything of that nature against other societies or galactic groups

[queen laurel]

he was literally obliterated when vader threw him to that fall

[storm jungle]

meanwhile in the O.G trilogy/Prequels you see the antagonist faction just everywhere

on the streets, cities, public places, exotic planets, etc

[winged jacinth]

They should have run with the snoke is jar jar theory that would have at least been funny

[rocky gale]

The First Order should have been an insurgent group operating within the New Republic trying to destabilise it. Not just a somehow stronger version of the Empire.

[winged jacinth]

Also palpatine building his enormous fleet in a few years in secret with the resources and population of one planet

Or i guess maybe they were hidden there but in that case why

You could have brought them to the death star and won the naval battle decisively lol

[rocky gale]

He just silently built a bajiliion star destroyers and hide them under the planet and recruited a gorrilion people from that one planet to crew them all, simple.

[storm jungle]

^

seriously, what the fuck

[shadow plover]

yeah but how else is JJ gonna have an epic death star event but bigger...

[storm jungle]

at least in 40k you can say like

"well they had families that lived/died operating and waiting on these ships"

in SW there has to be some military sense

[winged jacinth]

Also the classic lost technology explanations

[rocky gale]

People bitch about Cawl getting a million Primaris after 10k years of work, then Palpatine does all this in the span of 20

[winged jacinth]

Of course there were warships under the surface they were left there during the hurk gurk campaign by admiral bingus

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^

this is the kinda reason why I sometimes hate 40k

the entire setting is built around making narrative excuses on the fly for absolute nonsense

and the fanbase ALWAYS laps it up

"yeah makes total sense because this book named Sexbonicus Crusade no.391 has it explain it in Chapter 69 of the larger series"

[winged jacinth]

Abbadon summoning 6 extra blackstone fortresses for future narrative moments

[storm jungle]

Not even that

when Chaos does it its "bullshit chaos plot armor nonsense"

when the Imperium does it its wojak "omg so badass FOR THE EMPEROR LETS GOOO" le epic moments

ah well it is what it is

[winged jacinth]

They should have let arkhan land discover more tech

Behold! The Land Cutter! (Its a boat)

The blackstone fortresses always stuck in my head because they are only ever conveniently discovered lol

[shadow plover]

the one in Dawn of Fire was kinda just there in the background

[winged jacinth]

They don't exist until someone either goes "i sure need a blackstone fortress" or "it would be really bad if the enemy had a blackstone fortress now"

[shadow plover]

some major characters went there, stuff happened, it exchanged owners

[winged jacinth]

I still need to read the most recent tau books (that's what that is right)

[queen laurel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9viMDLdq1pM?si=JsM8ycKo5I5L4AnX

[nocturne crest]

Damn, missed all the first order talk?

[median star]

so what exactly is supposed to be the different use case in centurions and invictors

[rocky gale]

Ones a slow moving tank like heavy infantry and the other is a fast moving recon walker

Centurions are used to either breach or defend heavily fortified areas of key interest, while Invictors typically provide fire support for lighter armoured mobile groups like Phobos marines

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[young pecan]

I like that even though Eisenhorn still has this, it still has stakes and things still get bad

[median star]

does anyone know anything about making a table top army and would be willing to judge the one i just out together w near zero idea what im doing

[crystal forum]

yeah i could shit on your ideas for a couple of hours

[median star]

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/Lists/68a33360e8d40bd44a8c2edd

[crystal forum]

no i was joking im busy

bad joke

[arctic talon]

Link doesn’t work btw

I’d use a paste bin or haste bin

[median star]

fuck my chud life

to many words for discord

[fervent gull]

I once read a soldier made by ecchlesiarchy with drugs, built for frontline fighting like a beast, similar to how eversors are made but can't remember the name, can anyone spare me the name?

[celest dome]

Chrono Gladiators or Arco Flagellant ?

[fervent gull]

Right one

Thank you

[celest dome]

There are also rarer Arco Evicerators

[fervent gull]

Lemme read them too

[median star]

chrono

[arctic talon]

Triple invictors isn’t great imo since you don’t got Phobos to pair them with, desolaters are kinda not great/memey. aside from that it’s pretty good. Maybe consider cutting those for some infantry objective holders like intercessors

[median star]

i was either thinking the invictors or centurions but the cents seemed like major slow fatasses for w not a lot of health either

someone told me i should dump them as well and just put into more terms and transports

the cent assaulter looked p potent but if paired w transport but i feel liked they wouldnt last very long at all when they actually engaged

[rocky gale]

Yea you really only want to use Invictors if you've got Phobos to pair them with because that's the only way to proc it's "Combat Support" ability

[arctic talon]

Cents are fire support similar to devestator squads so you have to keep them safe.

Assault cents are a little memey unless you’ve shoved them in a LR or repulsor

But your list lacks objective holders generally

Which is fine

[rocky gale]

You're lacking in transports and also maybe Battleline units, lot of damage but not a lot of room for objective play

[median star]

what if i just did more dreadnaughts instead of the invicts

[arctic talon]

Tbh marines can go light on transports

[arctic talon]

I mean sure if you want to just kill tbh

But I’d honestly consider bringing some battleline

Like I’m not sure what your intent with this list is

Tbh

[median star]

neither am i

[arctic talon]

lol

[rocky gale]

Seems like your going to just kill your enemy

[arctic talon]

Do you want to be able to win or do you just want to kill your enemy

Because those are kind of 2 dif things

[median star]

does not killing them all≠ winning

[rocky gale]

No, Objectives win games

It's possible to table an opponent and still lose on points

[celest dome]

Screening objectives can sometime be a valid strategy

[median star]

so main take away is drop invict get transporte( idk how many) and replace w either batteline or maybe cents

[storm jungle]

Reading shit like this im glad my mindset for tabletop is just:

"Yeah this unit looks cool ill use it i guess"

[median star]

thats kind what fueled this whole list to begin w then i started to semi look into a few things

[storm jungle]

numbers =/= no interest for me

im here to goonhammer not math stuff

[rocky gale]

I'd avoid Cents personally, if you want a infantry unit with chonk maybe take some Heavy Intercessors to hold objectives or regular intercessors if you want more general usage out of them

[median star]

i thought abt assault terms as i saw someone say that if the hellblasters got caught in melee its joever

[dapper gyro]

Too bad table top is not cinematic accurate.

If you don't have battle lines, which have more models, your damage output is significantly less.

[median star]

the hellblaster have 5 per which isnt bad for non battleline tbh

[rocky gale]

Heavy Intercessors also pair well with Iron Father Feirros, so if you want to attach him with a squad go with them, if not then keep him near your vehicles to give him Lone Operative

[median star]

would devastator squad be a better or worse sub for the desolation squad

[rocky gale]

You thinking as a bodyguard unit for your Techmarine?

[median star]

yea

[dapper gyro]

Hellblaster is 5 models for 110pts, intercessor is 10 model for 150.

[storm jungle]

Also is youtube infinite buffering for anyone else?

🤔

[arctic talon]

Goonhammer are math nerds tho smh

[arctic talon]

YouTube is laggy as fuck rn for me

[storm jungle]

Yeah i was talkign about personal gooning, not Goonhammering

[storm jungle]

Im at the subreddit now

everyone is complaining so I THINK its global

[arctic talon]

Crazy

[dapper gyro]

Google Chrome?

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside you could just run your original list tbh Cole

[rocky gale]

Personally I wouldn't take either, more worth from a squad of Assault Intercessors, but I wouldn't worry about putting your Techmarine with a squad, he's fine being alone near your vehicles

[arctic talon]

Just don’t expect to win unless you absolutely pop off

[storm jungle]

Yep.

[dapper gyro]

Oh, get fuck then.

[arctic talon]

Yeah tech marine can baby sit your dreads

[storm jungle]

Already have last week

keep up kiddo 🗣️

[dapper gyro]

Artificial buffering to force people to buy premium.

[dapper gyro]

That's not what I meant... but whatever.

[queen laurel]

Mine is fine

[storm jungle]

Lmao what did you expect it to mean

[rocky gale]

Like Iron Father Feiros gives buffs to his bodyguard unit, so it's worth putting him with a squad of Heavy Intercessors to give them better OC and a 5+ Feel no pain, but Techmarine only really buffs vehicles

[storm jungle]

🤔

[arctic talon]

Tech marines embedded in squads has pretty much never been good in the history of 40k for better or for worse

[dapper gyro]

I forget that people online and people at work are not the same kind of people. My bad.

[storm jungle]

keep up or get left 🗣️

[arctic talon]

Same with enginseers outside of admech since in admech they do give buffs lmao

[median star]

would it not be better to pair him w terms instead or just have them do their own thing

[arctic talon]

Terms have low output

Since Storm bolters/assault cannons are just fine, not super strong

[rocky gale]

Iron Father can't pair with Terms

[arctic talon]

You get more value from heavy intercessors since they’re a killier unit

Also that lmao

[median star]

i see i see can he only pair w battleline and vehicles

[rocky gale]

He can only join Aggressors, Eradicators or Heavy Intercessors. Only Gravis armour units

[median star]

[dapper gyro]

Anyhow, try Firefox. Ad Block still works on it, too.

[median star]

this shit aint easy nor cheesy

[rocky gale]

and you'll only be able to pair HQ's in Term armour with your Term squads, so the Ancient and if you had a Terminator Captain/Librarian/Chaplain etc

[arctic talon]

Tbh the termie ancient isn’t great either but if you wana run him run him

Ancients are kind of always mid

Hes pretty cheap anyways

[median star]

i kind of just put him their to have something incase somehow the techmarine ate shit

[arctic talon]

Actually nvm

The termie ancient is actually decent wtf

Not a morale stick

[rocky gale]

Yea Termie Ancient is probably the best Ancient atm

[arctic talon]

I thought he was like the standard one ngl

In that case yeah run him

[arctic talon]

Cole, do you have access to the rules outside of new recruit

[median star]

no

[rocky gale]

Alright if I post Wahapedia?

[storm jungle]

Banned 🫡

[rocky gale]

Ah hell I'll just DM it

[median star]

this is literally the first iv ever even looked into actually forming anything on the tabletop

[arctic talon]

Yeah larmoth is sending you the holy texts

That website is goated for rules

[queen laurel]

Obliteration under the eyes of the witch killer

everything is in balance then

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[median star]

also do we know anything about that new iron hand character

like not lore wise but release point cost etc

[rocky gale]

Is there a new one?

Oh this guy