40k-lore-chat

[dapper gyro]

The sisters are not augmented human...

[surreal nest]

That doesn't mean they're useless fodder?

They're generally amazing combatants?

[dapper gyro]

If the coat of armour can level them that high, a war veteran or highly trained person can do the same.

[surreal nest]

It's not just their armor

[dapper gyro]

Yeah, but it is not like their training is can't be given to men...

[surreal nest]

Yeah but your implication is that an average bumfuck mass supplied power armor to guardsmen is on equal footing with an adepta sororitas

[dapper gyro]

Other than the fact that they refuse to do so, because again, SoB were the satire of the women being easy to be controlled to the zealous level.

[surreal nest]

I really don't think that's true

[covert kiln]

Isn't it a law thing? Like the church isn't allowed to have "men-at-arms."

[dapper gyro]

Without power armour, the sisters are not that special.

[surreal nest]

Yeah its a loophole of "no man at war"

[covert kiln]

Hence they have crusades and the sister sororitas.

[surreal nest]

this is just wrong?

[covert kiln]

Can't have an army.

[surreal nest]

they're peak condition human combatants

They're trained with the schola progenium no????

[covert kiln]

Imagine Daesh with like 15 year career seals.

[dapper gyro]

So are the scion, so are the commissars, so are the arbites.

[surreal nest]

yeah and scions are generally elite soldiers??????????????

[dapper gyro]

Peak human condition is so generic.

[surreal nest]

It's relevant when we are talking about MASS PRODUCED GUARDSMEN ARMOR

[dapper gyro]

Yes, give them the power armour.

And by the way, I never say anything about arming the whole guard with power armour.

[surreal nest]

You didn't say whole guard yes yes we understand

You did imply mass produced

[dapper gyro]

It is hard to make the power armour, yet the sisters' numbers is still huge.

So the resource is there.

[surreal nest]

Because the sisters have the full support of the ecclesiarchy?

[surreal nest]

Yeah for the sisters

[dapper gyro]

Dude, it is a what if...

[surreal nest]

Your what if is stupid and vaguely sexist

[dapper gyro]

Like what the hell is your issue?

Because I'm not zealous to the fluff and having question and alternate option?

[dapper gyro]

Oh, where is that?

Because of this? How is it sexist?

If I say "If men can, then anyone can", is that also sexist? What is that logic?

Bloody hell

[surreal nest]

How exactly are sisters of battle a "satire" commentary on how women are easily controlled

[dapper gyro]

Because it is/was the fluff.

[surreal nest]

I have never once heard that

[dapper gyro]

You think they randomly make repentia half naked mini? You think the old lore where the sisters followed a single man, prising him more than the big E, and so got blasted by the big E and so they dye their hair white to remember that?

[surreal nest]

Zealots having less clothing is genrally a trope, yes.

[dapper gyro]

It is not that subtle, but if people refuse to acknowledge it, it is really on them.

[dapper gyro]

Oh, this is still canon by the way.

[surreal nest]

"do you think they randomly make zealots half naked in warhammer"

yes.

[opaque coyote]

The lack of men thing is mainly just due to Goge Vandire being weird and culture.

[surreal nest]

Like what really is the difference between these man

[opaque coyote]

Either way, Space Marines seem to get a special implant that only they can handle. Black Carapace.

[surreal nest]

There isnt one they're lunatics who don't care about the damage they receive

[opaque coyote]

Which allows them to use their power armor to full capacity

Human PA and SM Power Armor seem to be on a different level

So to speak

So human PA is probably shittier

[sacred ginkgo]

God of choice and equipment price

[opaque coyote]

The men use more than one type of weapon

[dapper gyro]

The current 40K is very different than what they released in an older time.

Like how death cult assassin models were 2 models of woman in latex.

For a long time, just them.

I have no issue with men or women, I just state that it is, or was.

[opaque coyote]

100%

Also

If anything, they would want to lessen the gap between SMs and regular humans. The Imperium doesn't want another Horus Heresy. Where they had to make makeshift power armor to protect against the new advancements the Heretical forces had.

That's why Space Marines are split into chapters

The Navy and Imperial Guard being separate

Etc.

[dapper gyro]

That's what I wrote right in the same post...

[opaque coyote]

In a lore sense, the reason why the Imperium doesn't just supply more regular people with power armor is probably because

Lack of budget

They can't

At least not consistently

[dapper gyro]

because they could render the SM useless while being more subtible to corruption.

[opaque coyote]

It wouldn't render them useless either tbf

SMs have all the implants and Geneseed

Their gear is better even against a regular person with power armor

[dapper gyro]

Well, a regiment of competent guard could stop a SM company, with power armour as force multiplier, they can definitely do a number on the SM, just like the SoB can.

[opaque coyote]

Sure you could say "just spam power armored people".

But the Imperium clearly doesn't have the budget for that.

Or more importantly

The Mechanicus is probably hoarding it all

Like

That's the most likely explanation

The Mechanicus is hoarding it all

Because they got the Imperium by the balls.

[surreal nest]

sounds mass produced to me man

[dapper gyro]

Old 40K models are extremely sexist. Don't try to do moral high ground while defending 40K.

[surreal nest]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[opaque coyote]

Not even going that direction

[surreal nest]

SoB have the budget BECAUSE THEY ARE THE CHURCH

[opaque coyote]

Also I thought we were talking in lore

[dapper gyro]

Oh, nothing to do with you.

[opaque coyote]

Because if we were talking outside the lore

Then yeah, it's to keep the Space Marines special.

[dapper gyro]

I'm thinking of GW...

[opaque coyote]

Also to be honest, Sisters of Battle are cool

I like them

[dapper gyro]

I do, too.

[opaque coyote]

I wish they were developed more

Seriously Black is my favorite color but please pick something else

Kust

Please

[dapper gyro]

Like, having female custodes is cool, but SoB and SoS needs more, or better, representation.

[opaque coyote]

Agreed

[dapper gyro]

I love the hell out of the sister hospitallers.

Combat medic are always amazing people.

[surreal nest]

i mean female custodes doesn't really take away from their representation. They can do both. I've only heard that defense from grifters

[opaque coyote]

But yeah I think the reason why in-lore, only the SoB has a consistent supply is

A) They are a part of the Church.

B) Goge Vandire was weird. (If you replace the V with a W...)

C) Human Power Armor is still expensive. Probably equally so to SM. But instead of going to a super soldier... it'd go to a regular person.

Which is also why the SoB use it. They are literally fanatical to the point where most SMs would raise an eyebrow

They aren't regular. That's for sure

[surreal nest]

I would also love for you to confirm that SoB are generally elite and well trained and not just strong because of only their armor

[opaque coyote]

I do agree that there needs to be more forces with human power armor

That would be cool

Just don't think it would be that much

Like maybe an elite scion (elite of the elite lmao) regiment?

Or the Crusaders.

[surreal nest]

I really dont see temptus scions with power armor either tbh

Not really part of their job description I'd reckon

[opaque coyote]

Well that + Church

Also

The T'au:

Also might as well say an opinion ig

The T'au are less advanced than the Imperium. It's just that the Imperium doesn't care about things like "Ethics" and "keeping soldiers alive consistently" so they seem less advanced

Because

"Why innovate when you can just spam people. That's easier"

[dapper gyro]

Sorry to bring this back, the picture you posting is from 8e. The original sister repentia from the 3e is very different, and them and the other females are like the only ones with risque dress until the 7e/8e.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/8/8c/SistersRepentia.jpg These were there for a decade before they make things less sensible.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I just wanna know why they only use big chainswords

[surreal nest]

Again, still a trope for zealots to be wearing a fraction of clothing

[opaque coyote]

Where are the big chain axes

And hammers

Now that's the true inequality

[opaque coyote]

I swear half the Ecclesiarchy's forces are in bdsm gear

[surreal nest]

I'm not really seeing how a lack of clothing in a zealous lunatic church obsessed unit has anything to do with the claim that SoB were invented as a social commentary on how women are more easily controlled

[opaque coyote]

Imagine a Deldar fighting a Repentia and being like

"Nice outfit. Fits our style perfectly."

"IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE NICE. RAAA-"

"In Asuryan's name, IT WAS A COMPLEMENT. YOU'RE GETTING THE EXTRA PAINFUL NEEDLES."

[surreal nest]

If you can quantify your claim I will apologize for being incorrect

[opaque coyote]

I think it's just how cultures kinda are at times.

They keep doing a thing despite it not really being practical

Because of some huge event

Goge Vandire and his weird sensibilities

[surreal nest]

Makes perfect sense to me, ork boyz wear close to nothing but small trims of armor and cloth

[opaque coyote]

if you can't feel the bullets whiz by

...

YOU'RE NOT FIGHTIN ARD ENOUGH YA GIT!

[surreal nest]

GIT STUC INN

[lament shoal]

Hot take: GW should just have Ogryns be in charge of everything in 40k lore

Maybe then everything will be less depressing

[outer wave]

I agree!

[lament shoal]

Replace Guilliman with an Ogryn

[outer wave]

Replace the Imperium of Man with the Empire of Ogryn

Maybe even call it an Ogryn Kingdom

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-mario-kart-mario-look-mario-mad-meme-gif-25023578

[covert kiln]

I love that male Banshees are a thing now. When I was young I was a dancer, and was really bummed that the people with grace were restricted to women..

[dapper gyro]

Eh, zealots are usually the most decorated ones... The less clothed ones are the ones deemed unworthy (ex: Redemptionist), and they are the a fraction of the zealots.

[dapper gyro]

One of my uncle-in-law was a ballet dancer in the 90s in Asia. The stigma was bad.

[crystal forum]

SoB are fan service

[surreal nest]

I think that's a fairly uncomfortable dismissive take but I can understand why you'd formulate that opinion from older content

[crystal forum]

you shouldn't be getting your social commentary from a heavily commercialized table top game designed for nerds

that's weak sauce and twitter behavior

[surreal nest]

This doesn't mean anything, I think its reductive irregardless of what system they are designed to operate in

[crystal forum]

look at what the average 40k writer looks like

[surreal nest]

I mean I'm aware that they exist from men creating them. But this isn't the same thing as the men who made lora croft wear shorts and a tank top. I really don't think that the SoB are sexualized more than anything else is in warhammer

[crystal forum]

wrong

they're bald

[sour hornet]

I need to engage in mechanized warfare with scions of a dustantly relayed family line

[crystal forum]

and therefore evil

[sour hornet]

more than water

[surreal nest]

we are in agreement

[sour hornet]

I crave familial bloodshed

I apologize, I was undergoing a dragon break

[surreal nest]

I forgive you

[sour hornet]

thanks friend 🧡

[crystal forum]

i dont

drop down and give me 20

[surreal nest]

I speak for everybody

[crystal forum]

and i dont mean push ups

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough the change is from 6e or 5e lol

So it’s got some age to it

[celest dome]

If there is a line of somewhat secualised miniature by GW it's more likely the Esher gang from Necromunda

[sour hornet]

omw

[arctic talon]

Escher stuff def feels uh

Fetishistic? Almost? Idk

[surreal nest]

Would you consider yourself a lore head by any chance

[arctic talon]

The original stuff more so

lol

[surreal nest]

I am dying to get a question answered

[arctic talon]

The modern munda stuff is fine

I’d say

[arctic talon]

I’m a lore 🤓

[surreal nest]

How big of a lore head we talking

Because I've been trying to research this point of contention since it was said and nothing has come up

[arctic talon]

Quite

I know too much shit

Though admech, eldar, daemons and marines

Are like my specific mega nerd shit

Idk, I’ve been in the hobby for over 10 years now 💀 for better or for worse

lol

[surreal nest]

Were the Sisters of Battle originally designed a "satirical" commentary on how women are EASILY controlled

[arctic talon]

No they were meant to be a critique on deranged loopholes

I.E No men at arms

Okay, woman at arms it is

[sour hornet]

heretic is a lore fossil bro

[surreal nest]

Wow! Go figure!

[arctic talon]

-the ecclisarchy

But that’s what Priestly has said

The SoB and ecclisarchy as a whole are about religion being controlling and inane loopholes

[sour hornet]

elite is also a lore grognard, but hes not old

(Rare)

[arctic talon]

I’ve got some grognard level takes on some shit lol

[surreal nest]

And generally speaking, Sisters of Battle are more well trained and physically fit than most guardsmen right? And are generally comparable to the Temptus Scions in terms of their elite status?

[sour hornet]

By a large margin

And yes

[arctic talon]

SoB are like Scions in terms of fitness yes

They’re drafted from the most physically fit + religous female schola students

[surreal nest]

So it's probably a little bit weird to say that whatever the SoB can do a guardsmen can do, and SoB are not special without their power armor

[sour hornet]

Average Sisters fight in battles that would chew the average guardsmen into paste

[arctic talon]

SoB start off using carapace

Yes

Novitiaites use carapace much like their Scion brethren

And also non militant orders often use carapace

Even in battlefield conditions

[surreal nest]

Earlier was the most frustrating conversation I've ever had

[arctic talon]

Though SoB and Scion carapace are both “powered” armor

Not power armor

lol

[sour hornet]

People like to downplay sisters and overhype guardsmen

[arctic talon]

In that they have an internal power source/hud ect.

[surreal nest]

I chalk it up to genuine sexism

[arctic talon]

Yeah no SOB more elite then scions

For the militant ordos lol

[sour hornet]

Sisters are very elite shock troopers

[arctic talon]

There’s less of them

They have strict requirements for recruitment and training

[sour hornet]

like cream of the crop

[arctic talon]

And they spend most of their lives

Practicing how to murder stuff better

The militant ordos are very religous but they express that religion with violence and war

[surreal nest]

Would you guys say it's really weird to say that a guardsmen could do everything a SoB can do with the same armor

[arctic talon]

Pray while shooting targets, pray while practicing dueling

[arctic talon]

A normal guardsmen? Yes

A Scion or stormtrooper from a famous regiment? Not as much

It’s a weird comparison

[sour hornet]

Your average Sister would beat an equivalent scion, who in turn would pull a guardsman's spine through his asshole.

[surreal nest]

You have both made me so happy

[arctic talon]

Power armor is “cheating” but it doesn’t matter

Because they don’t need power armor

[sour hornet]

^

[arctic talon]

lol

[surreal nest]

I didn't need validation I needed to know my fellow hobbiers were normal

[arctic talon]

The one issue SoB have doctrinally is

Religion

But that’s like fine

lol

The SoB overemphasize holy sites and such

[sour hornet]

Its like people saying guardsmen would beat arbites and that arbites are basically cops

[arctic talon]

Which makes sense

[sour hornet]

Like, very much not the case

[arctic talon]

schola graduate

Any of the schola graduates aside from the literal scribes

Could prolly murder a guardsmen

[sour hornet]

Anyone trained at the Schola is likely going to beat the brakes off anyone who isnt

[arctic talon]

And even the scribes would prolly put up a good fight

lol

Guardsmen have a comically huge variation in quality

We hear about all the famous regiments

Not the 14285nd Door daggers

[sacred ginkgo]

Whats the weapon/ballistic skill of a guardsman in 10th

[arctic talon]

4+/4+

Pre 8e edition BS3 WS3

[surreal nest]

bookmark to the most frustrating conversation I've ever had in this hobby, to date. I'm still annoyed

[sacred ginkgo]

And whats scions bs/ws

[arctic talon]

3+/4+

sgt is 3+/3+

Command are 3+/3+ as well

[surreal nest]

ok how does this dude have this on his dome

[arctic talon]

SoB are 3+/3+ aside from command

[sacred ginkgo]

Likes guard

[arctic talon]

I’ve been playing this shit for 10 years

💀

[sacred ginkgo]

And it’s also like

[arctic talon]

10e fucked up my mental memory for my favorite faction which are skitarii

[surreal nest]

you have no idea the amount of envy and respect I am bottling up rn

[sacred ginkgo]

THE most common roll you make

[arctic talon]

Also I don’t like guard that much I’m ngl

[surreal nest]

I HATE keywords and stat remembering Im always looking down

[arctic talon]

I just have that shit burned into my brain

Bcs of all the guard players

I play into

But thanks for ruining my menta memory GW

[surreal nest]

I cant even tell the stat line of a cadian guard and im a guard enjoyer

[arctic talon]

By ruining inherent skitarii stats

[sacred ginkgo]

What did they even do

[arctic talon]

Ffs why are they 4+/4+ now

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh

[arctic talon]

Skitarii are all universally 4+/4+ now

[sacred ginkgo]

Do they get compensation for that

Or

[arctic talon]

No

Well sorta

They do now

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh so they dropped their hit rate from 66 to 50 for fun

[arctic talon]

But they didn’t for like a year and a half

Now you can boost skitarii BS to 2+ and WS to 3+ because the army rule is broken as shit

Which I dislike

[sacred ginkgo]

What’s the rule

[arctic talon]

Anyways GW just revert the army to 9e

[arctic talon]

Pick
+1 BS and heavy along with enemy penalty to hit when within battleline army wide

+1 WS, Assault, -1 AP when within battleline army wide

As you may have realized, this is a problematically strong army rule but GW chose this rather then reworking every datasheet in the army

lol

Because the codex was that bad

[sacred ginkgo]

What’s battleline, the last time I played was 9th and I played like an game

[arctic talon]

Battleline is like troops options

Sorta

Skitarii rangers and vanguards have the battleline keyword

[sacred ginkgo]

You said it like it was an area

[arctic talon]

Yeah for skitarii

Sorry should have specified

Within 6” of battleline admech units get that effect

It’s like data tether sorta

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh ok that makes more sense

Neat rule but also like

[arctic talon]

Ngl it’s entirely because I’ve played for so long and I play so much

[arctic talon]

Just give me my stats back GW

[sacred ginkgo]

Bit much of a benefit for being near your infantry

[arctic talon]

💀

Literally no one likes it

[sacred ginkgo]

Would make way more sense for it to be vehicles or characters or something

[arctic talon]

All the armies power is in the army rule now

lol

Which is fucking dumb

[sacred ginkgo]

Because within 6” of infantry sounds like a fancy way of saying map wide

[arctic talon]

Yes

lol

Also the army rule was way worse on launch

When the codex came out it was just, all skitarii get assault or heavy pick one

army rule
doesn’t work on 40% of the army

Outstanding move GW

Please just give me the 8e and 9e army rule back and make my units not shit baseline, thanks GW

[sacred ginkgo]

Just make a total infantry list

That shrimple

[arctic talon]

But yeah even off of tabletop stats SoB are superior to guardsmen

[arctic talon]

Nah you just run tanks/kataphrons because they’re the only thing in the army that can kill

Everything in the army sucks at killing aside from them lol

It’s depressing lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Whatever, go my spider tanks

[arctic talon]

Real

Neutron laser to brrr

[sacred ginkgo]

Can we have this as a line in dark heresy

[crystal forum]

he should say this during the sex scene

[crystal forum]

elitewolf the kind of baby faced child to act like he remembers 5th edition despite still being in diapers when it came out

[crisp heath]

When you think about it ... it was actually so long ago lmao

[crystal forum]

i dont have to think about it!!!

i'm not older than dirt!!!!!

[crisp heath]

Oof

[crystal forum]

dont worry somebody called me unc today

[languid meadow]

Gramps

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-grumpy-old-man-dana-carvey-snl-get-off-my-lawn-gif-17952798667855416248

[sacred ginkgo]

Horrific

[storm jungle]

Jay arent you like 20 years old

[crystal forum]

im 24

[storm jungle]

yeah same thing

[crystal forum]

ancient

i found a grey hair the other day

my first one

[surreal nest]

This is exactly what im saying

im ngl i think that dude is insanely sexist

and hes mad that women are strong in 40k

[sacred ginkgo]

I started finding grey hairs in high school

[crystal forum]

but my hair is perfect!!!

[languid meadow]

Got called unc even tho I'm 21 I neeeed to kill myself

[sacred ginkgo]

Absolutely reping the silver before 30 look

[crystal forum]

i'd do that

[sacred ginkgo]

So is mine

[crystal forum]

no my hair is better like unironically

[sacred ginkgo]

One of the very few good things to come out of my genetic soup

[crystal forum]

i have great fucking hair

extreme volume

[crisp heath]

I was just in school but we kept playing 5th all the way past when 6th was release, I don't know why we did this I just think none of us had the new book

[storm jungle]

Which dude?

[crystal forum]

semi curly

[sacred ginkgo]

Mine is just like

Straight

[crystal forum]

red

[surreal nest]

Feel free to read the worst conversation I've ever had

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Aight hold on

[crystal forum]

legit women wont stop harassing me about my hair

[surreal nest]

About how SoB are based off a social commentary that women are more easily controlled and SoB are nothing without their armor

[storm jungle]

bruh

yeah no like

[surreal nest]

dude ive been looking into lore articles for the past 3 hours and I found NOTHING on that

[storm jungle]

SoB entirely exist to appeal to the female demographic, or were at least an attempt to by GW, there wasnt really any ill intent like that behind it, it was solely monetary

they have grown much larger in current times

[languid meadow]

This radiates arch particles......

[surreal nest]

SISTERS OF BATTLES LITERALLY USE MIRACLE DICE IN GAME they arent just guardmen in power armor

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah because there’s nothing to find your “friend” is an insane person

[sacred ginkgo]

And they have like a 16% chance to just ignore damage (or used to at least)

[surreal nest]

SoB literally come from the same school as SCIONS and SCIONS ARE CRAZY

[crystal forum]

we all have that one shizo friend

[storm jungle]

Theres also very much a presedence however for GW writers treating them like absolute shit in the lore until they got their big model revamp a few years back, they got a much bigger presence in the lore now and also wer every pushed to the forefront as a faction in 9th edition with all the Faith power plotlines and other new sisters content as well as animated media

[sacred ginkgo]

Modern sisters also get some really cool models

[celest dome]

Yes quite so

[surreal nest]

dw i already called upon lore heads to prove me correct

I love you though

[sacred ginkgo]

The funereal procession thing and the lady with the fleur de lis fire sword

[storm jungle]

yeah like i said their push in 8th edition was huge

because they had NOTHING for almost 20 years

the buildup to it was cataclysmic lol

[surreal nest]

also lol at the idea that a guardsmen in power armor could overthrow astartes

you can drive a nascar doesnt mean you are gonna drive it like a nascar driver

[celest dome]

In a lesser way the same was done for Arbites

[languid meadow]

I love when GW let's factions rot just to push them really hard and they turn out peak

[sacred ginkgo]

They’d survive like 3-4 shots instead of zero

[celest dome]

There are some human Power Armour that have good chances against SM tbf

[surreal nest]

I generally agree

But I just brought up the budget issue

[celest dome]

Oh well yes, a full regiment equipped with good power armour is practically impossible.

But Pdf for Knight worlds maybe

[surreal nest]

Im not saying no marine causalities but theres no WAY they will suffer an outright defeat unless there is like a major awesome plan for plot reasons

[languid meadow]

Also personal regiments of planetary governors

[surreal nest]

space marines are fucking insane especially if you're a little traitor brat trying to square up

[languid meadow]

Sola auxilia my beloveds

[crystal forum]

NO

you are not allowed to enjoy this

your quivering plump muscles will face ultimate punishment

[languid meadow]

Shut up you

Holyy shit my head is killing me

Prob shouldn't have drank that stuff

[crystal forum]

it's my death ray

[languid meadow]

It's working

I'm going to die now goobye

[crystal forum]

dibs on your underwear

[languid meadow]

[covert kiln]

As much as they say that the Eldar are super egalitarian, I imagine in lore there is still some mild stigma.

I feel like all the aspect types have some sort of serious violent psychosis they’re dealing with.

Banshees sound like their grief drive. Dire avengers well … revenge? The fire dragons dunno. Something like hatred or whatnot.

But I love the lore that it’s basically a bunch of acrobatic sword Gs who are so full of lent up grief that when they scream it out they explode brains.

And then become blenders.

Very 90s me.

[storm jungle]

Eldar very much do not judge anyone in their society, they are largely above human morals like us when it comes to scrutinizing their own kinsmen in a Craftworld.

Aspect Warriors also dont really have "violent psychosis", the entire reason one eldar character in their book series even joins an Shrine is actually push down these emotions which the Autarch of a shrine hes in also chides him for and says thats not how the Aspects work and theres more to it. Banshees meanwhile are not really about grief, they are about the martial prowess of Khaine and putting fear into the enemy, Dire Avengers meanwhile are just paladin knights with advanced shuriken-guns that are the most noble of aspects due to being modelled after Asurmen their founder.

[opaque coyote]

Basically most Craftworld Eldar are chill if you're a fellow craftworlder. You have some weird hobbies? Completely okay.

If you're a filthy Mon'keigh or their "cousins"?

...

Yeah you uh

You better fucking run

Although tbf, they have good reasons to hate both

Usually they come to them honestly

I think Biel-Tan took like 10 guardsmen regiments, a bunch of Space Marines, and a bunch of tanks and shit

And just didn't fucking care. The Imperial forces got decimated with little effort.

Must've worn their helmets smh

[storm jungle]

Depends on the craftworld.

Dark Eldar very much get the most judgement though because uh obvious reasons.

[opaque coyote]

I do wonder if any regular humans actually live on a craftworld

Would be funny considering that from an Eldar perspective they die in like... A year to our perspective

[storm jungle]

They wouldnt

[opaque coyote]

"It's only been 60 years. How are you already this wrinkly?"

[storm jungle]

it would be very culturally "icky"

and you cant really take the risk

depending on who they are temporary residence until they gotta go could be given but we are talking like probably a few months at best or weeks

[queen laurel]

Unless isha herself gets released and allows a human to be in the craft world very much no

[opaque coyote]

Fair enough

[opaque coyote]

So basically some rogue trader ally stays a Craftworld they know for like a week cause their ship got totaled.

That is the only way

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

its very reasonable too

[opaque coyote]

I'm pretty sure a couple of craftworlds would refuse even then tbh

[surreal nest]

Have you guys seen that FTL inspired game that's like extremely warhammer inspired its actually peak

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah I have, im unsure on it atm since it has some AI slop art with pixelated filters on it

[surreal nest]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[opaque coyote]

Oh no

Please be placeholders

Please be placeholders

[surreal nest]

it ainy early access 🙁

[sour hornet]

Because Sisters are highly trained, better equipped, and more faithful

[opaque coyote]

Fuck

[sour hornet]

Tf you mean "why not"

[opaque coyote]

What is it even called anyways

[surreal nest]

Void War

[sour hornet]

Incredibly wrong statement

[surreal nest]

You see what I was dealing with right

"women only strong because power suit"

[opaque coyote]

Oh wait it's in Alpha

[surreal nest]

Oh I'm a dummy my bad

[sour hornet]

Ignore him

he has a brainworm infection

[storm jungle]

hahahaha

[celest dome]

Sister of Battles have Act of Faith, pure Zealotry and their power armour.
And they're less susceptible to falling to chaos

[surreal nest]

i only played the demo! im safe

[storm jungle]

aw damn 😔

[surreal nest]

I am assuming the new 40K dawn of war edition has AI so ive been sadly passing

[opaque coyote]

Still a bit worrying though

I say wait and see

If it's slop it's slop

[surreal nest]

Ngl I would not be surprised to find out its slop with pixel filters

hate to say it but I just dont trust pixel art anymore

[opaque coyote]

Mmm brain worm

[opaque coyote]

...y'know the worst part is that pixel art is like

Pretty cool

If done right

[surreal nest]

the greatest art ever i am so obsessed with it

i LOVE 2.5D pixel art

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I agree. More games need to have that style

Sonic Robo Blast 2 my beloved

[surreal nest]

There is not enough warhammer pixel art games

If there....is any

omg i got this sick ass 2.d pixel art survival horror game on my instagram page and I forgot the name

i can scream

[opaque coyote]

This looks promising also. Excited for this mod.

https://youtu.be/6e8WrmOibpM?si=og2vi5zE1fENz8ZJ

Doom conversion mod in the style of the old fallouts

[surreal nest]

I get to play fallout in the WORST CITY ON EARTH????

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-dexter-dexter-doakes-gotcha-found-you-gif-14688017774431904057

[opaque coyote]

Nah it's clearly just Bakersfield

Live footage

Jokes aside this does genuinely look great

[surreal nest]

It really does, now im excited

[opaque coyote]

They predict 2027 but it also says to be announced

I say, take your time

[surreal nest]

wait I think 40k Boltgun is pixel art so there is at least one

[opaque coyote]

They also did stuff like this

https://youtu.be/Bl-02MHn7Bg?si=u-mn_ohmDecIEo96

[sacred ginkgo]

Just low res with a filter

[surreal nest]

I AM SO EASILY FOOLED

[opaque coyote]

I think they mostly traced over actual figurines

[surreal nest]

i love warhammer games that just scan miniatures its my soft spot (warhammer 40k battlesector)

[opaque coyote]

Also the cutscenes are actual pixel art

[sacred ginkgo]

The filter is default at 50% btw so you can make the game unplayably pixilated with just one slider

[opaque coyote]

Ah yes 40k on an Atari 2600

My favorite

[opaque coyote]

Honestly Boltgun has better sound design than SM2

Which is

Sad

All the guns feel extremely powerful

[surreal nest]

For all of SM2's flaws I also hate it

[sacred ginkgo]

The weapons in Boltgun were neat

Outside of the highest difficulty

[opaque coyote]

It's nice to see some other ones

Volkite

Grav cannons

[queen laurel]

I wish the chainsword wasn't so useless

[sacred ginkgo]

The last appearance of imperial grav weapons in modern 40k

[opaque coyote]

Agreed.

[queen laurel]

the later you get into the game the more you just relegated to shooting people to death

[surreal nest]

I feel like avoiding damage in boltgun was next to impossible compared to other games of the genre

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah

Also

Screamers my beloathed

[surreal nest]

i forgive them just because screamers are my favorite daemons 🙁

[opaque coyote]

Or at least adding different weapons similar to SM1.

Chainsword, Power Axe, Thunder Hammer

[sacred ginkgo]

I love seeing them and immediately running to find a doorway or a crate so I don’t immediately die

[opaque coyote]

I do think the game is heavily flawed but it also definitely has potential

I hope the sequel cleans up some of its faults

[sacred ginkgo]

Why the FUCK is something so fast so hard to kill

[opaque coyote]

Also using the Heavy Bolter is fun

[surreal nest]

Do we have any warhammer games with JRPG combat???

[opaque coyote]

I might have died once or twice embracing my inner Dakka

[surreal nest]

that'd be sick

[sacred ginkgo]

No

Doesn’t really fit stylistically

[surreal nest]

damn I was hoping I wouldn't have to play rogue trader 🙁

[opaque coyote]

Those giant ass shells flying out are addicting

[sacred ginkgo]

If you want 40k rpg you get crpg

[queen laurel]

^

[surreal nest]

wish it wasnt owlcat

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s so good though

Sure it doesn’t look great but like

[surreal nest]

so needlessly complicated and number crunchy

[queen laurel]

What do you mean it's great

[sacred ginkgo]

The writing

[surreal nest]

its just too much

[sacred ginkgo]

No number crunching

[surreal nest]

the game is great but the builds and skills arent fun to me

[queen laurel]

What know if someone stupid like me can play the game

[sacred ginkgo]

Just pick the stat your character revolves around

And win

[queen laurel]

Yeah literally that

number crunching is only important if you're going for those broken ass builds

[sacred ginkgo]

The game only really becomes unfun in endgame imo

[queen laurel]

^

[surreal nest]

i really like crafting builds but rogue trader's skill descriptions and leveling system just overwhelmed me

[sacred ginkgo]

Because you’re so overpowered encounters are ability checklists

Press these buttons in the right order and win

[surreal nest]

it's like 9% increase to 90% damage increase when 3-5 squares away from an enemy above 70% hp +15 to armor or some shit

[queen laurel]

How am I which is significantly Dumber than you not get overwhelmed by this but you did

like i'm pretty stupid and i finish the game

[surreal nest]

i think too much

[queen laurel]

it's genuinely not that complicated

[surreal nest]

But not productive or hard thinking just overthink interactions

[queen laurel]

unless you are like doing a very specific leveling path

[surreal nest]

I can try it again I just didn't really fw it

[sacred ginkgo]

Remember not to play an officer or operative unless you’re ok not being the main character

[surreal nest]

I'm not a huge fan of the pathfinder system or whatever they use for all of their games tbh

d100

[sacred ginkgo]

Pathfinder is d20

[surreal nest]

yeah i meant d100

[sacred ginkgo]

Rogue Trader is based off of Rogue Trader

And I have no idea how that actually plays

[surreal nest]

explains the popularity of that rule system

[summer mural]

Im playing doom 2016 rn for the first time

this is fuckin baller

[covert kiln]

I don’t know. Dude had an anger problem.

I mean the character was written by Gav. So it was a whiny teenager instead of a hundred year old like … Eldar.

[storm jungle]

Thats Gav being Gav yes but theres also examples of some actually mature Eldar in the book so.

dude literally throws a tantrum over his friend giving him some helpful art criticism

[covert kiln]

Don’t they talk about the Fire Dragon having a bad temper?

[storm jungle]

Not really no

Aspect Warriors dont have "tempers"

[covert kiln]

And his GF basically tells him to stop being so selfish and runs off to become a space ninja. And almost kills someone else in a duel because he is so mad.

[storm jungle]

they hone and fight

[storm jungle]

Yeah Korlandril is like... such a bad character lol

[covert kiln]

Pretty sure in the book they’re chillin at some point. That’s how he meets the aspect warrior.

At some Party hab or some auch.

[queen laurel]

eldar as a species are very wise so to them getting washed away by emotions is not a good thing

because you need to be very rational especially if your race is dying

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[covert kiln]

I keep trying to get up the like courage to actually start writing some Eldar short stories.

Like. I am no pro author. But I am better than Gav.

And there are so many cool concepts. I love the Exodites.

[storm jungle]

Like. I am no pro author. But I am better than Gav.

Gigachad statement

[covert kiln]

Hardly.

[storm jungle]

and yeah they arent too difficult to write you just gotta know the basics

which the Path book largely provides honestly

[covert kiln]

Honestly I imagine writing SPEESH MURINS well is kinda hard.

Avoiding Mary Sue has got to be insane.

[storm jungle]

thats the neat part

most authors dont try to avoid it lol

[green loom]

Yeah it's why most books kinda default to them being just generic good guy soldiermen

Nooo this guy isn't a brainwashed child soldier made to gun people down for the murderous despots he's like a cool knight guy who likes to save the lives of the glorious human citizens!(slaves)

[covert kiln]

I sent a friend of mine a vignette once. It was about a composer throwing a bad singer off a bridge in a hive spire because she didn’t make his cut in search of the perfect note.

Yay Slaneesh.

He sent one back about a lady whose brother was falsely burned in a purge by a bishop. So she becomes his hand servant and kills him with his own Aquila staff after he makes a pass at her.

Yay Khorne.

I like the more “horrory “ stories.

Even with SPESH MURINS.

I remember one where this group is making their way through a Tyrannid ship. Super fun.

[near wasp]

I'm avoiding it in my story but I think it's funnier to watch my character rage against the machine and fail

[crisp heath]

Rage against the machine

[nocturne crest]

Is it just me, or does the space marine art look more chaos themed than loyalist?

[near wasp]

Nope, Marines are just scary af

[crisp heath]

Probably the purple sky

If it was a blue sky he wouldn't look so evil

I reckon

[near wasp]

To be fair, the sky is just purple now xD

[crisp heath]

Yeah smh

[cinder pivot]

slaanesh pink sky

[neat zenith]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6xMNLKA/

[arctic talon]

All my 5e knowledge is from playing it after it was old and second hand shit lol

[radiant lance]

What if all space marines became homiesexuals?
Gotta love your homies

[dapper gyro]

It is always "they are the best", "they are the peak", they are the whatever to describe the elitism of every of those units. All I was saying is that men can receive such training and equipment, too., and they would be as good.

Otherwise, the in universe issue of money and organization is the universe issue.

But whatever, this is no better than arguing about lasgun power usage vs other shits in this fluff.

[radiant lance]

jiggawats

What was the dumb unit they used again?

[sour hornet]

"If you gave a a guardsman astartes training, enhancements and equipment they would be as good as a space marine"

brain parasite argument

Sisters are peak, in both equipment and general performance compared to a guard

saying "w-well, if men got (a shit ton of training and faith indoctrination, in theory they'd be as good)"

No fucking shit

but they dont

So they aren't

[crisp heath]

These are the real heroes of the Imperium.

[dapper gyro]

I never wrote anything remotely close to this... The heck are you on?

If you want to say "hyperbolic"... No, it is not.

[sour hornet]

google, define hyperbole

"exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally"

[dapper gyro]

And how many times do I have to say "if..."? I never say that it happened in the fluff, I was saying what could have been.

[sour hornet]

"what could have been" is pointless

they don't

[dapper gyro]

What? That's dumb...

The game is surrounded by imagination, and what if is pointless and shouldn't be discussed?

[dapper gyro]

Then where this

"If you gave a a guardsman astartes training, enhancements and equipment they would be as good as a space marine"

Comes from?

Who stated that? Not me.

[sour hornet]

bruh, its literally called a hyperbole, I was applying your earlier statement of "bro if men just recieved all the equipment and training sisters recieved, they'd be just as good" to another group in the Imperium

not a hard concept to grasp

This is mega dumb

[sour hornet]

and this as well

grimdank level lore knowledge

[sour hornet]

and the sisters trounce all three pretty reliably in combat ability

[celest dome]

If given the same equipments, same amount of troops and all

Scion > Sister = Skitarii > Commissar&Guardsmen > Guardsmen

Could both of you actually explain your stances ?

[sacred bluff]

yea please tell us how you are both wrong and i am right

[sour hornet]

A, Sisters, even without power armor would fold your average guardsman like a lawn chair.

And that statements like "just give a veteran dude power armor and he'll do the same" as if the religious indoctrination and Schola training sisters recieve isn't what lets them work faith on the battlefield and perform that highly in the first place.

[sour hornet]

I'd say its about equal for Scions and Sororitas, most women in the Scions are likely to be the ones the Sororitas didn't swipe first. They typically get first pick for female recruits.

[celest dome]

A Sister is indeed better trained in close/melee range, and is better fed.
So yes in melee it would be more probable that the Sister would win.
Giving a IG regiment Power Armour and equal weapons to the Sister would honestly give them as much staying power as the Sister, but they most likely wouldn't get it for logistic reasons

[queen laurel]

It can also depend on the guard regiment really because on a no power armor just straight hands if the sister is fighting a catachan i could see it going either way

[celest dome]

The Act of Faith and religious indoctrination of Sisters can be compensated on the side of the IG by the bigger size, combined arms tactics

[queen laurel]

catachan are like the peak of human conditioning with no augmentations

[gaunt lily]

the problem is that afaik there are no imperial guard regiments or elite shocktroops that recieve power armor,

even scions and lucifer blacks

[sour hornet]

If you gave Catachans or C*dians power armor, yeah, your average bumfuck guards? Probably not.

[celest dome]

Scions technically have power armour

Though lowest grade

And the Arkhan confederate IG regiment do have Power Armour, but only for certain troops iirc

[celest dome]

Well yes, but I suppose you're just looking at the standard Sister too.
There are orders that are much worse off

[sour hornet]

Fighting a Catachan they would probably (7/10) lose, Catachans punk Commissars who are also Schola graduates. Catachans are just that chadded.

[gaunt lily]

double checked no they have caparpace a body glove, its not powered

[celest dome]

Power armour doesn't mean armour that has Servo motors and such in lore

[gaunt lily]

carapace is the armor they have, its not on the same level of power armor at all

[celest dome]

Scion have tech integrated in their armour in older lore (usually Tactical screens on the gloves, camera and night vision stuff)

[celest dome]

Carapace ≠ Power armoir

You can have power armour that is Flak

[sour hornet]

Those orders also regularly walk through bullets and such. You can reliably count on Sisters to basically not break in almost any situation* and fight to the death with vigorous ability. Not the same as the guard, who we've seen in many instances running from the battlefield.

(Khorne's psychic scream aside.)

[sour hornet]

The arkhan what-federates??? 💀

[celest dome]

Cause IG regiment outnumber Sister orders like 100 to 1

[gaunt lily]

i mean if you want to say anything with a screen or camera or vision device attached is power armor then fine, but we can atleast both agree its not at all equivelent to the stuff SoB and inquisitors wear

[celest dome]

Not the right one, will try to find it back

[celest dome]

Oh for sure

[sour hornet]

I'm talking about average median soldiers from each side. The morale and training difference is still very stark. They are like Scions in that excerpt where a Tempestus squad is killing Nurglite daemons even as the plagues are rotting them to pieces.

You can very reliably count on Schola graduates to be willing to die on the spot rather than flee.

[celest dome]

Yes, but the sisters are more elites due to their trainings, and equipments.
If you picked a IG regiment that got similar training and equipment, it'll be the same

Like the Maccabian regiments are also very zealotous

[gaunt lily]

i think the distinction to make is that there are no single regiments that field a baseline force that meets the baseline of SoB in all aspects, but warhammer being warhammer there will always be individual guardsmen who prove to be on par or even outperform the SoB baseline in the heat of battle

[celest dome]

But at the same time no Sister Order is able to match the numbers and logistic of a IG regiment

[sour hornet]

I mean yeah, but they can do that because they are bullet catching fodder

They have flak armor and a lasgun

Carapace if you come from an actually good system.

Harakon, Vostroya, etc

[sour hornet]

Give the average IG regiment power armor and they'll lack the faith and devotion. Give the average Maccabean power armor and they'll lack the training and skill.

[celest dome]

You're being stubborn, all of those can be taught and given to a regiment

[sour hornet]

I mean yeah, but then you'd just have less flexible, worse Sisters.

Unless you gave that regiment its own armor and air assets, and minor naval fleet.

And IG regiments typically are only allowed to have one of those.

[gaunt lily]

i mean yeah, but thats the quality to quantity ratio for you
Guardsmen are perhaps the best a planet can offer, coming from millions of planets

SoB are the best fighting women the Eclisiarchy could muster from across the imperium, given the best equipment and training that could be provided from their immesurable wealth and influence

Space Marines are super human, far exceeding what even the best of man could achieve, yet their numbers are dwarfed by even the number of planets in the imperium

Custodes are literally gene crafted by the emperor and are equipped with technology lost to the wider imperium, but are vanishingly insignificant in number

[dapper gyro]

Many piece of equipment are given by measure of loyalty and faith. IG is purposely nerfed so they can't revolt. Even among the IG, there discrepancy is quite significant. The more decorated units are generally considered more loyal, and therefore get better gear.

[gaunt lily]

the problem with wanting a regiment of fully power armored infantry with only the best training and peak faith is that theres no one planet that can afford to deliver a tithe like that,

Maccabian Jannisaries may have unquestionable faith but their training will never be as comprehensive as a Scion, shocktroop or Kasrkin

Likewise Scions and Kasrkin may have unquestionable training instead of unquestionable faith but their equipment is merely good for the standards of the guard

Even the Arkhan Confederates only had heirloom powered suits enough to act as status symbols rather than equipping significant formations

[dapper gyro]

According to HH, IG and Imperial Navy together were a force to reckon with. Due to equipment and number, they spread better.

[celest dome]

Better are longer ranges too

[dapper gyro]

And SM killing weapons for normal human were more common. It was necessary because CSM is problematic. But then traitor guards can get the same stuff and shoot back at loyal SM.

[gaunt lily]

i mean you dont need to be an SoB to be issued a melta

[dapper gyro]

You don't... they issue them out of needs. Also having heavy gear, but with physical assistance from power armour help a lot more.

More shots or power, less fatigue.

Then again, the best way for those thing not falling into the wrong hand is to give it to the most zealous. There can only so many kind of "peak human" without augment.

[sour hornet]

Having thick as fuck armor helps with the Meltas squirtgun equivalent range lmao

envy the space marine and his pauldrons

[arctic talon]

Carapace and power armor are preferable when you need to use a melta

[gaunt lily]

i mean i was just agreeing with the fact that SM killing weapons for normal humans are pretty normal even in the traitorguard

heck GSC have punched up at custodes with mining lasers, no armor is impervious

[arctic talon]

Rock saw

Vs skull

[dapper gyro]

Melta range is eh. Carrying it and run up the armoured target is not easy. Getting heavier stuff with extended range like multi-melta (dont even ask how the extra barrel give extra range) is much better for your own survivability. If you get power assist, you get better mobility and protection.

Force multipliers are crazy.

[rocky gale]

The GSC's casually having better anti armour using scavenged tools than the Sororitas do with their entire arsenal

[arctic talon]

meltas being literal gambling

this edition 💀

[rocky gale]

Mining lasers being a more powerful weapon than a Multi-Melta

[gaunt lily]

mining lasers are just off brand lascannons, shame the Sororitas dont like laser weaponry

[storm jungle]

ı mean

its a literal tool made to mine hard earth minerals

[rocky gale]

It's got more range than a Multi Melta

[gaunt lily]

damn i thought atleast the castigator or rhino would have lascannons but no i dont think SoB have any laser weaponry at all

talk about committing to the bit

tbf to the GSC though, their casually good anti armor comes with an inherent lack of armor

[arctic talon]

mining laser should just be

a las cannon lol

its weird it got nerfed

[gaunt lily]

i mean having 12 inches less range made sense

[arctic talon]

I meant the strength

not the range

in any case SoB got hit by the melta changes the hardest lol

[gaunt lily]

yeah nerfing the strength was sad

[arctic talon]

which turned meltas from reliable anti tank to

a fucking casino

[plush mason]

mfw the most powerful weapon in SC2 was just a giant fuck off mining laser lmao

[arctic talon]

THE DIG

[plush mason]

damn thing has the energy output of a star

[gaunt lily]

me when I learned that the guard used to have man portable shoulder fired lascannons

[arctic talon]

lol

Good ol 1e

[queen laurel]

ah yes, swann's wife

[rocky gale]

For SoB now our only anti tank weapon that's over S9 is the maces on our Paragon Warsuits

[arctic talon]

yeah

which is awful for an army

[rocky gale]

Or the Hunter Killer missiles I suppose

But those are a crab toss

[arctic talon]

Hunter killer missiles are again

gambling

SoB ultimately have no reliable AT

[gaunt lily]

castigators autocannons are S9, its cannon is S10, but yeah I dont blame people for not wanting to play SoB just to field a bunch of tanks
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k10ed/factions/adepta-sororitas/Castigator

do the miracle dice not help with the gambling much?

[arctic talon]

no

not enough

Reliable anti tank is needed

[gaunt lily]

honestly melta mines would fit the SoB trifecta theme just fine, i cant see why something like a unit of Seraphim wouldnt be packing one

besides 'its not in the box'

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

[golden imp]

Since giant rift in sky now, are regular guardsmen and PDF taught how to fight against demons?

[arctic talon]

depends on the world

[near wasp]

Cheaper not to

[arctic talon]

Major famous regiments and boundary worlds yes

otherwise no

[golden imp]

Or is it just the same training on just shooting the damn gun lol

[arctic talon]

But its taught like

[gaunt lily]

suicidal charges to slap melta mines on the armored bastions of the enemy sounds right up the Sororitas' alley lol

[arctic talon]

'vaguely'

if that makes sense

You will face strange XENOS

[golden imp]

I get ya

[arctic talon]

ect.

[gaunt lily]

iirc pre rift the very existance of chaos and demons was classified right?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

nowadays it varys place to place

based on how bad it is

[golden imp]

You can’t really hide it

[arctic talon]

I.E at charadon corruption got so bad

[golden imp]

Look up lol

[arctic talon]

they had to purge a lot of people

lol

But at nachmund things are
fine

mostly

[golden imp]

Chaos is winning hard

[arctic talon]

me when imperium nihlus

okay jokes aside I'm annoyed chaos has won

every single warzone and crusade book

its present in

like Pariah Nexus should have just been a necron victory

but no chaos

[golden imp]

I wonder, do you think skitari have preset plans for demons? Or are they just as don’t speak the evil as the imperium?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Well

depends on the forge world

[queen laurel]

The most latest memorable victory I remember would be tyranids but that was very very little

[arctic talon]

but they have preset stuff for

"emperic" threats

lol

[gaunt lily]

shoot it till its dead is a universal strategy that works every time, 65% of the time

[golden imp]

Do they have tech for closing portals?

[arctic talon]

There's specific canticles

for threats from "beyond"

depends on the forge world

mars, Lucius and Deimos

[golden imp]

Feel like that’d be something they steal from the necrons

[arctic talon]

all posses that tech

stygies has stolen shit from Necrons

but Lucius, Mars and Deimos as forgeworlds

have ways to seal minor warp rifts

graia has a specific canticle for it

[queen laurel]

to be fair I can see forgeworlds making warp destabilizer cannons or some shit

to close portals and stuff

[arctic talon]

Trying is not the same as success

[golden imp]

Shoulda been the necrons and humanity teaming up instead of the eldari smh

Agreeing on hating that damn red spot in the sky 🤝

(Kidding)

[arctic talon]

Tbf literally everyone hates it

[queen laurel]

well it has to do with the fact that elder are much more agreeable to work with than literal skeletons that wage war with God's

[arctic talon]

the necrons are also partially responsible for it

for destabalizing the warp in the first place

[queen laurel]

except orks

[arctic talon]

Everyone is at fault for that shit regarding the "major" civlizations

except maybe the Orks

[queen laurel]

it's literally free fighting

[arctic talon]

Tau excluded

lol

[golden imp]

How’d necrons contribute?

[gaunt lily]

[golden imp]

They don’t have souls

I guess the necrons caused the eldari to be made

Which made slanesh, which was part of the rift

[arctic talon]

War in heaven + their original expansionist wars pre bio transferance

They killed so many things, killed so many people, caused so much suffering it made the Warp coalesce into a shithole

lol

[queen laurel]

yeah that entire event destabilised the warp

[arctic talon]

they had been contributing to the suffering in the warp already

and then they tripled down with the war in heaven

[queen laurel]

yeah the warp was not that bad at one point

[golden imp]

Speaking of war in heaven, do you think if the old ones fixed the necrons, we’d have a happier galaxy?

[arctic talon]

No

[queen laurel]

no because they just fixed slavers and dictators if they did

[arctic talon]

beacuse the necrons were evil as fuck

lol

[golden imp]

Ah

[arctic talon]

I would like to mention they had space ships and a intergalactic civilization

And they made their peseants live in mud huts

like as a universal thing

[queen laurel]

yeah they were bastards

[golden imp]

Yeah I know it was a super stratified society

[arctic talon]

Immortals got actual houses but not like

nice

but yeah they were extremely evil lol so giving them immortality would have just made them turn their ruling caste into actual God Kings

[golden imp]

Didn’t know it was THAT bad though lol

[gaunt lily]

'oh nooo they turned my people into souless robotic slaves'
necron dynasties continue to be the same except made of metal

[arctic talon]

we get Obyrons POV of when he was a child

he wasn't even of like

a super low caste either

and his father got dragged away to get beaten to death for not bowing

and then he + his whole family got enslaved by association

now granted he ended up with a decent master

[golden imp]

Who’s the one necron books about?

What was the guys name

[arctic talon]

Which one

Oh trazyn's book?

[golden imp]

No not him

[arctic talon]

or like Otlyx

[golden imp]

It was a noble banished

[arctic talon]

from the twice dead king duology

[golden imp]

YEAH

[arctic talon]

Yeah its twice dead king

[golden imp]

I remember a scene from that

When they were alive, his father made half the soldiers in his guard kill themselves to show him what power means

Or something like that

I’m rembering necron society sucked ass now

[arctic talon]

but yeah Obyron as far as slaves go got it easy

Since he got elevated in caste

despite still being a slave

we never find out what happens to the rest of Obyrons family but he prays they died

before bio transference

💀

[golden imp]

Obyron is the insanely competent body guard yeah?

[arctic talon]

yeah

[surreal nest]

The problem is that that other dude would never say something like "oh scions are nothing without their amor" its purely just SoB because he thinks theyre weak women in overpowered gear

[golden imp]

I really wish there were more necron books on audible

Or a new twice dead king book came out

I really enjoyed them

[arctic talon]

well twice dead king is over

but I'd like more stuff with Otylx

tbh

"See, Obyron, the separatists come – attempting to outflank me just as they did at the Fourth Battle of Vyndakh. How they calculate that daubing themselves green and roaring like savages will produce a different outcome, I cannot fathom; but it is of no account. Ready my legions – another glorious victory shall soon be ours."

-Nemesor Zahndrekh

Zahndrekh was already a bit of a weirdo in life

but he has necron dementia post bio transferenace that he drifts in and out of

[golden imp]

The insanely competent general

Who believes he is still alive (maybe?)

Necrons do be good at their job

And my last robot question

[surreal nest]

He is probably a good sentence or two away from bringing up how men are biologically superior therefore technically sisters of battle need armor to be stronger than the average man and therefore are weaker inherently

[golden imp]

How does a man of iron compare to an average necron soldier, lowest tier?

Have we even ever seen a man of iron in a real fight?

[arctic talon]

Yes

UR-025

but he's not in his original body

There's also the Excindo which are enslaved men of iron

Men of Iron vary wildly at the end of the day

Ur-025 seems to be more of a program less locked to one body, the exincdo are in their original bodies and trapped in it

ect.

[dapper gyro]

It not exactly at the lowest tier. During the time of Men of Iron, they were numerous.

[arctic talon]

yeah

we're not quite sure what exactly the "average" man of iron is

[dapper gyro]

And using Disintegrator weapons, which is as crazy as the necron "gauss" gun.

[golden imp]

Lowest tier of necron I mean

The basic, unthinking solider

[arctic talon]

a necron warrior would like

probably smoke Ur-025 in his current form

[queen laurel]

they are above warriors and immortals

in thinking

[arctic talon]

just due to the fact Ur is a largeish target

with an auto cannon

[queen laurel]

but weapons

[sour hornet]

necron "gauss" gun which turns people into the green goo from nickelodeon

[arctic talon]

his advanced DAOT auto repair function

doesn't help

[queen laurel]

heh

[sour hornet]

silliest fucking weapon

[arctic talon]

since gauss just fucking disintegrates you

lol

[rose thorn]

Slave? You mean boyfriend?

[dapper gyro]

Ur doesn't have most of his DOAT weapons.

[arctic talon]

but Ur can take a lot of punishment from conventional boyfriend

Yeah the one thing Ur has is his brain, E warfare stuff and auto repair functions

[queen laurel]

is UR-025 as smart as iron kin?

[dapper gyro]

I mean, Disintegrator does the same thing.

[arctic talon]

Ur-025 is extremely smart and he plays to his strengths

[arctic talon]

that came later in life

[rose thorn]

Ahhh

[arctic talon]

but like if Ur was fighting a warrior he'd win because he can actually fucking think

lol

[rose thorn]

Old man yoai…

[arctic talon]

Necron warriors cannot think

[queen laurel]

mags did yous see the aos death warcom?

[arctic talon]

Ur-025 can think, and therfore would use things like taking cover and flanking

[rose thorn]

Yesss

[arctic talon]

but if the shielding doesn't hold and Ur eats a gauss shot he's prolly fucked

[queen laurel]

yeah i think i will work for ushoran

[arctic talon]

his mind will likely be fine but that body is gone

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[golden imp]

Do the necron destroyers think? I remember there was one in twice dead king that did but it seemed he was a special case

[rose thorn]

Wish I started a NH army tbh

[arctic talon]

destroyers think yeah

[golden imp]

I like my robots lol

[arctic talon]

since they're from immortals and up

[queen laurel]

ok so is UR-025 when it comes to like sapience similar to iron kin?

[arctic talon]

Immortals can think

sorta

[golden imp]

Need to start reading mechanicus books

[arctic talon]

Ur-025 is fully sentient and sapient

yes

[arctic talon]

Read dominion genesis or the forge of mars trilogy

Cawl's books are also good

[queen laurel]

this funny https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jwtdzjis/chief-undead-officers-whos-the-best-mortarch-to-work-for-in-the-mortal-realms/

[arctic talon]

Ur-025 literally has a whole spiel when a tech priest tries to kidnap him

lol

'This situation is non-optimal. I attempted to provide you with an
avenue of withdrawal. You would not listen. I regret your deaths, sincerely, but you leave me no
choice. You are wilfully blind as to my nature, but your comrades would have outed me in time.
This is unacceptable.’
‘Choice?’ spluttered 890-321. ‘You have no choice, you are a machine!’
‘I am not a machine as you would understand,’ said UR-025. ‘I am not a slave. I am not a thing.
I am beyond and above you.’ It leaned forward, until its ceramite face was close to the magos’. ‘I
am a man of iron.’
The look of pure fear 890-321 gave was gratifying.
‘And I am free,’ said UR-025.
It crushed 890-321’s skull in its fist and dropped his corpse on the floor.

[queen laurel]

He sounds like a type of guy who won't shoot me as long as I leave him alone

[arctic talon]

Yes

also Ur literally lives with 2 ratlings