40k-lore-chat

[paper haven]

Murderwing

[nova scaffold]

yeah is a downgrade

[celest dome]

Ok ?

[nova scaffold]

ngl the idea of central building layout is kinda boring

like whats the fun of asymmetrical combat

[surreal nest]

What's the fun in symmetrical combat

[rocky gale]

Wracks, Archon, Tantalus, Combat Patrol and Index cards all just got removed from the GW online store for Drukhari

[paper haven]

Night lords can only do asymmetrical

[paper haven]

Who says the elves never get updated

[surreal nest]

It is so funny to me how GW does that

They like telegraph it

[valid needle]

That particular crusade were traitors

One traitor crusade did and were immediately purged by helbrecht when he found out.

[storm jungle]

They werent traitors.

They were full-on Templars that just were a tinge more over-zealous.

there was no foul play involved aside from their command staff (or whats left on it) being assholes

[valid needle]

They were traitors

[storm jungle]

They really werent

[valid needle]

Loyal marines do not murder their marshal beforehand

[storm jungle]

I mean they can

space marines are fickle lol

BTs are basically a push away from being mindless berserkers

so its not that surprising

[paper haven]

Nothing more dangerous than a zealous moron

[valid needle]

I think murdering your marshal to then murder a custode and Primaris is a bit traitorous, either way helbrecht purged them all.

[valid needle]

Not morons at all

[storm jungle]

I guess thats kinda what happens when your entire Chapter is built around being zealous psychopaths tbh

also uhhh superstition among other cans of worms

[valid needle]

But they aren’t built around being psychopaths

[storm jungle]

I mean

Helbrecht abandoned a mid-strike to purge innocent and guilty alike during the latest battle in armageddon lol

[celest dome]

Lore wise, if we consider Traitor only those that are against the Imperium as a thing.
Those weren't traitor

[storm jungle]

and their model desigher outright calls the black templars villains

so

[celest dome]

Loyalist on Loyalist fragging isn't new

[valid needle]

Every single faction in warhammer are villains

[storm jungle]

Okay but we arent talking about them.

Who said they werent lol

[celest dome]

Woa woa woa.
All SM are built around being psychopaths, that like half of what they are

[forest orbit]

I thought the entire joke was BTs are mindless psychopaths

they just get some characterization because you want people to care about them

[near wasp]

Guys the imperium is always justified in what ever act they partake in

[forest orbit]

even though uhh they are literally genocidal mass-murderers

but hey

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

[paper haven]

Loyalist Marines are most dangerous to loyalist marines

[arctic talon]

Okay but it’s cool

[storm jungle]

Minotaurs gang rise up

[arctic talon]

My favorite war criminals

[valid needle]

If they were mindless their chapter master wouldn’t be considered the greatest naval commander of the time

[forest orbit]

[forest orbit]

I mean they literally are presented as such

[valid needle]

Grey knights the better lapdogs

[arctic talon]

Me when I have to kick down l or else I lose

[storm jungle]

GK arent really lapdogs though

lol

[arctic talon]

GK don’t directly serve the inqusition the way the Minotaurs serve the administratum

[paper haven]

The imperial guard kills the most heretics

[storm jungle]

^

Minotaurs are LITERALLY lapdogs

thats the joke

its why they are great

[forest orbit]

they are based as hell

[arctic talon]

There is no debate politically or internally when the master of the administratum tells them to do something

[valid needle]

Everyone loves the guard

[arctic talon]

They just jump the fuckers

[paper haven]

Inquisitors kill the most loyal citizens

[arctic talon]

The Minotaurs punching down so much is the funniest shit

[paper haven]

Chaos kills the most chaos

[arctic talon]

Who wins 1000+ marines, an entire fleet or 100 marines

[celest dome]

Minotaurs love fragging SM right ?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[paper haven]

Therefore, Abaddon is the greatest source of positive change

[arctic talon]

They’re the foremost experts at killing other loyalist marines

Unironically

[storm jungle]

It is what they are trained to do tbh

[arctic talon]

No other chapter even comes close in how well they’ve like

[storm jungle]

its what makes it hilarious

[arctic talon]

Mastered killing other loyalists

The crimson fists are the only one remotely close

But the Minotaurs have waaaay more experience lol

[storm jungle]

crimson fists are really good at killing crimson fists

I mean uh

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Orbital fortress skill issue

Smh

[storm jungle]

I legit always love that one ngl

its like

such a realistic fuckup

[crystal forum]

chapter master pedro pascale

[arctic talon]

Weapon malfunction into mass death

[paper haven]

Whoopsie daisy

• Crimson fist apologist

[arctic talon]

Pedro Pascale as Pedro Kantor

[storm jungle]

ıt reminds me of a story i was writing, where uhhh my regiment has like a super charismatic commissar

[valid needle]

He’s gonna get anxiety and start touching up servitors

[storm jungle]

and he dies because he doesnt notice a tree branch twig poke into his krak grenade pin

and remove it, before he notices it and explodes

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Gg easy

Heretics didn’t even need to shoot him

[storm jungle]

ı made it so that they used his death as propaganda

[paper haven]

Something similar happens in 15 hours

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

Some shit like "the insidious traitors did this to our commissar"

[arctic talon]

But yeah the Minotaurs are a bunch of spoiled school yard bullies who exclusively punch down

Which is why they’re funny and cool

[paper haven]

Commissar opens a gate, the console short circuits and burns him to death

[arctic talon]

They get moms credit card

[storm jungle]

its even funnier when you know un-officially their creator said they are Iron Warriors too lol

[arctic talon]

And the entire imperial armory to pick from

[arctic talon]

Is this why moloch was a man child and attended none of the strategic meetings at Badab

[storm jungle]

Yeah its something you dont see in 40k a lot, aka very embarrassing deaths, they are here and there but some are legit relaly memorable when they do happen

[arctic talon]

When even Tyberos did even if he contributed nothing but staring menacingly at the holo projector

[paper haven]

Impossible, they don't even sulk about the jobs they volunteer for

[paper haven]

Embarrassing deaths are a solid 20 percent of battlefield casualties

[arctic talon]

Moloch was like legendary levels of petty and being a prick during Badab

[celest dome]

And don't do it in the most pointlessly difficult way that result in mass casualties

[arctic talon]

All because they didn’t welcome the Minotaurs with fanfare and open arms

[valid needle]

Imagine dying on the toilet

I couldn’t

[arctic talon]

It’s happened before

[paper haven]

Couldn't be Iron Warriors

[arctic talon]

Can’t wait for lord admiral blorbous of segmentum pacificus to die to a hernia after straining too hard on the toilet

This is leaked 11e lore

[near wasp]

Credible source

[valid needle]

Dying whilst pooping is not a laughing matter

[paper haven]

Perturabo is the most impressive for his single minded determination to make himself as miserable as possible while blaming literally anything else

[valid needle]

Perturabo is wasted talent

He could have been the greatest if he wasn’t so needing of affirmation

[storm jungle]

tbh hes doing what he would have done if he was a loyalist primarch

build fortress

get slaves

blow up people

loyalist IW would basically just be Iron Hands with more artillery

[valid needle]

Based

[valid needle]

Based

[valid needle]

Giga triple based

[storm jungle]

They were loyalists 😔

https://tenor.com/view/katyusha-gif-18144996

[paper haven]

Corporate wants you to pick out the differences in these pictures.

Iron Hands
Iron Warriors

[arctic talon]

Ones got hazard spikes and is spiky

[valid needle]

One is a highly efficient chapter with rich history and one of the greatest fighting forces. The others dad is dead.

[arctic talon]

The other has less hazard spikes and isn’t spicy

[storm jungle]

Yeah they basically do the exact same shit

[storm jungle]

one just has cybernetics as a kink the other is artillery

im sure if we had an Iron Hands fan here he'd bitch about it

but like idc so

[paper haven]

Iron hands fans?

Impossible

[storm jungle]

Im a Raptor stan so dont look at me

[arctic talon]

I’ve seen enough, make moloch lose another dual and need him to be bailed out by his honor guard

-Alan Bligh for Fires of Cyraxus prolly

[paper haven]

Siri, kill Ferrus Manus

[dapper gyro]

Ew being reasonable in 40K? What a nerd. /s

(also raptor fan here)

[storm jungle]

Tbh their "reasonableness" is literally just

"guy lets call an airstrike instead of charging in"

[arctic talon]

All that fancy gear and moloch almost always loses

What did Bligh mean by this

[jade holly]

I would say something, but I don’t wanna

[arctic talon]

Also using camo

[jade holly]

[dapper gyro]

It is just thinking like a normal human being...

[paper haven]

Disgusting

[storm jungle]

[dapper gyro]

The Black Guard is literally the same, but with artillery.

Like, why the fuck spending life when we have fire support right there...

[arctic talon]

Because it’s cool

[jade holly]

All I can say is, at least Iron Hands don’t have the Daemonculaba or however you spell it

[arctic talon]

40k is an aura based setting

[dapper gyro]

Black guard is also RG successor...

[arctic talon]

The RG are like the most “sane”

Now granted the bar is

[storm jungle]

Low bar tbh

[arctic talon]

Buried under the floor

[gaunt lily]

when you word it like that, they just sound like loyalist night lords

[celest dome]

Anyone saw the vt2 trailer ? Is the voice Bardin or not

[storm jungle]

Pass it over

ill check it over with my autism-powers

[jade holly]

I only got Darin DePaul detection powers. I won’t be much help here

[celest dome]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/feast-of-grimnir-teaser-trailer/111785/

[paper haven]

The ability to engage targets further than 200 meters away invalidates like half of the factions

[celest dome]

I feel like it's Bardin but some are saying it's Malakai's VA from TWW

[storm jungle]

its CLOSE but i dont think it is

[dapper gyro]

Well, IF is the range and gun focused legion, but they are stupid as fuck.

[gaunt lily]

I used to get mildly confused because raptors are loyalist but then id keep hearing about people fighting and dying to or killing heretic raptors

[dapper gyro]

Like, even in the rule, IF favors bolters...

[storm jungle]

Boy I got bad news

[gaunt lily]

the tau have two Orcas (theyre both transports)

[arctic talon]

Honestly the NL are cowards, the Minotaurs are also cowards but in a different way

Lmao

They’re 2 dif flavors of cowardice

The Minotaurs are so stupid by the time they get scared it’s too late

[storm jungle]

NL's cowardice is also funny as fuck

[arctic talon]

Oh it is

[storm jungle]

they fold the moment they meet a competent fighting force

its so good

[arctic talon]

Minotaurs getting rage baited by a random DG chaos lord into losing 90% of the chapter

And then running away as fast as they can and losing another 5% of the chapter

[gaunt lily]

minotaurs vs nightlords story when

[arctic talon]

Yet another Minotaur W

[storm jungle]

My reaction when you got one of the most organised Chaos legion's

[arctic talon]

The Minotaurs got the rage bait strat used against them

After using it so much during badab smh

[languid meadow]

kill all minotaurs......

[arctic talon]

lol

Do you not like the spoiled school yard bullies

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-squarepants-angry-ripping-gif-25651719

[arctic talon]

lol

[languid meadow]

I don't even hate them for badab

I just hate them

annoying asf

also the constant dick riding of their chapter master

[gaunt lily]

by all accounts he is quite the dick badum-tsh

[storm jungle]

thats another can of worms yeah

up there with Tyberos

"HES AS TALL AS A TITAN"

GETOU-

[arctic talon]

Tbh he’s got like a pathetic track record in reality

He’s literally won a single one one duel of note lol

Aside from that he’s gotten his ass beaten

Every other time

[gaunt lily]

actually would be interested to see guilliman learn about the minotaurs and see how he'd react

[arctic talon]

He approves

[storm jungle]

^

[gaunt lily]

ew

[storm jungle]

he literally used them

[arctic talon]

They were part of his anti coup plan

lol

[storm jungle]

also like

to sound like a mini-mussolini

you dont get rid of useful tools

or attack dogs

[celest dome]

Feel like baiting out SM is a clear strategy.
God would Wulfrik slay in 40k

[arctic talon]

also he’s using them as a hammer to bring chapters to compliance if they refuse lol

[gaunt lily]

i was going to say i could see him accepting their usefulness as a specific mechanism

[arctic talon]

He sees them as useful

We dunno if he likes them beyond as a tool or not but they’re still banned from ultramar

lol

I’ll compile Moloch’s one on one duels in a bit

lol

They’re pretty sad

[storm jungle]

I love the "banned from ultramar" thing

aka literally like one portion of the galaxy lol

[languid meadow]

Green aura with flies chapter master

[near wasp]

Wait what

[arctic talon]

the minotaurs are banned from Ultramar

because they bullied 2 UM sucessors really hard

and stole their shit

including GC era relics

[storm jungle]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Inceptors

[arctic talon]

Anyways here's Moloc's ignoble record

1. 4th company captain of lamenters, rage baits him into boarding minotaur ship and kills him
2. Lamenters chapter champion, gets his arm sliced off and gets bailed out by his honor guard dog piling the dude and literally tearing him apart
3. Lamenters chapter master, dude is distracted fighting the minotaurs 2nd company champion, moloch comes from behind and fucking rams him over a railing and stabs him
4. Astral Claws 3rd company captain, challenges Moloch to an honor dual, moloch responds by jumping him with his entire honor guard and killing him
5. Necron Lord at Orpheus, Moloch gets his leg sliced off and dragged away by his honor guard
6. Necron overlord at orpheus, Moloch gets stabbed in the chest, loses 2 legs and gets spaced(somehow lives)
7. Eldar Corsair Prince, Moloch gets decieved by a hologram and riddled with shurikens and splinter rounds(somehow lives)

8. Eldar Autarch, has an actual duel, loses and gets shot in the face by mandiblasters(me when I shoot moloch in the head but it only destroys his brains)

9. death guard chaos lord, ambushes him with his honor guard, honor guard mostly dies but moloch cripples the dude, Death guard chaos lord was baiting Moloch and most of the minotaurs are dead.

10. warzone nachmund, Moloc beats the shit out of some random Chaos Chosen, and then clobbers the shit out of rebelling imperial forces due to the alliance with the Eldar and is mostly just killing normal humans

11. Warzone Nachmund Cont. Moloc kills the offending Guard general who betrayed the eldar by tearing his head off and using his corpse to beat the other command staff to death, he calls it a victory and leaves.

[storm jungle]

lmao WHAT

I DONT EVEN KNOW HALF OF THESE

[arctic talon]

its uber irrelevent lore

[vagrant fox]

moloch could take on custodes 1v1 easy btw

[arctic talon]

lol

okay one thing thats noted about Moloc

is that hes super menacing

lol

thats about all he does beyond being a fucking nerd

but yeah this info was given to me by someone with an actual minotaur army

who compiled all this shit

he's a big fan of the Minotaurs

but yeah Moloc is good at 2 things, aura, and logistics

everything else he's total shit at

[near wasp]

I mean moloch looks scary enough to give a custodes pause but we all know 99/100 times moloch loses that fight

[shrewd depot]

Who was gonna tell me that there's an immortal Tau running around because he picked up a Necron sword

[arctic talon]

Moloc's got Aura

also thats not a necron sword

its an old ones one(prolly)

[paper haven]

The one time he lives, he won't shut up about it

[arctic talon]

but yeah Moloc running around bullying normal humans is funny as shit

[shrewd depot]

See I was torn on the look of it, its not angular enough to be fully Necron

[arctic talon]

"Guilliman said the alliance was okay, so I'm going to beat you to death with a chair now for protesting against it"

-Moloch M.42

[paper haven]

He's like a WWE heel

[arctic talon]

Yeah, except he's unironic and its not an act

Like I get the writing is to make him a heel but still

[paper haven]

Violent, petty and somehow immortal

[near wasp]

Oh my god it's Moloc with a steel chair!

[arctic talon]

the fact Moloc enjoys that shit is whats funny

also somehow hasn't died?

bro got shot in the head point blank

[paper haven]

It only hit his brain

[arctic talon]

me when I shoot a minotaur but it only destroys their brain

[paper haven]

Ha!

[arctic talon]

The reason I think its an old ones relic is because it has some design languages with the blackstone fortress interiors, spindle drones, was on a somehow cured daemon world sealing a bunch of daemons and is psychically resonant

it could be eldar stuff

but there's too many similarities with how the BSF stuff is described imo

[shrewd depot]

My question

[paper haven]

Why is he allowed to have that?

[shrewd depot]

Who's he killed so far

Because if he's faced Daemons or like, Eldar

Man is living a while

[arctic talon]

He's killed mostly orks with it

[arctic talon]

so he's immortal

since orks are biologically immortal

[shrewd depot]

Oh shit yh....

Lmao

[paper haven]

Nah he just kills loyalist humans

[arctic talon]

but yeah he's mostly killed Orks and CSm with it

[arctic talon]

that was farsight before he chilled out

Shas'O Vior'la "we should kill all humans" Shovah Kais Mont'yr

lemme find the exact quote

brb

[paper haven]

Farsight chilling out was not something I expected

[arctic talon]

tbf he's like

[paper haven]

Like, bro, we don't do that here

[arctic talon]

still not chill

He's just chilled out on the whole

'Such a barbaric race has no place upon a core sept
world, continued Farsight. 'They have no role in the
universe other than to be brought to heel, culled and
consigned to slow oblivion.'

Farsight was uber racist

towards humans originally

[near wasp]

Good luck with that humans breed like rabbits

[paper haven]

Me when asked about Eldar

[arctic talon]

LOL

but yeah at some point farsight chilled out about humans

and is okay with them now

still doesn't like em

[shrewd depot]

Farsight is gonna find out in like, 10 thousands years when he's still finding human worlds untouched how wrong a statement that is

[paper haven]

Not racist just don't like em

[arctic talon]

yeah basicially lol

[surreal nest]

I hope I'm not repeating meme lore but did Farsight have any type of connection to khorne?

I remember reading something on it

[arctic talon]

yes

[shrewd depot]

Wait really?

[arctic talon]

he recoverd the sword from a formerly khornate world

and was exposed to it heavily

he's had uh

visions

[dapper gyro]

See, Elitewolf is a true Minotaur hater.

[shrewd depot]

I thought Tau were cut off from the warp

[paper haven]

T'au are so screwed

[arctic talon]

they're mostly resistant to it

but Farsight uh

Farsight seems to have gotten some special attention

[surreal nest]

Yeah I figured, Farsight feels like a fucking lunatic

[arctic talon]

He gets these horrifying visions

[paper haven]

Chaos, tyrannids or necrons

[dapper gyro]

I collect things to hate 40K in general. This brother knows everything to hate that specific stuff.

[arctic talon]

of him tearing O'vesa's head off, cutting torchstar in half and using Brightswords skull as a cup

among many other issues

he randomly sees everyone in the command room dead and the whole place stained in blood and gore

ect.

[paper haven]

They're as vulnerable as humans were to demons with only a fraction of the population

[storm jungle]

yeah but like to clarify for some people here hes never falling to Khorne, because its dumb and people would also get mad

[arctic talon]

farsight is not mentally okay

lol

[storm jungle]

as it kidna ruins his character

[arctic talon]

but he's like containing it mostly

its meant to be like some sort of Super ptsd?

at least with how its treated in terms of like writing

Farsight doesn't want to talk about it, he has nightmares, is always on edge

ect.

[paper haven]

Xenos getting PTSD?
That implies they have empathy

[arctic talon]

LOL

[paper haven]

I don't buy it

[storm jungle]

Average American in the Pacific Theatre ahh comment

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[arctic talon]

O'kais doesn't have trauma, he has pleasant memories

[paper haven]

The Pacific Theatre was an outlier

[arctic talon]

jokes aside all 3 of Puretides disciples are unhinged in their own way

[surreal nest]

GW was not happy about that leak lmfao their official shadow hunt reveal is so snarky

The Necrons have such ancient and complex technologies that they can exert limited control over the very forces of time, yet sometimes their meddling can have unexpected consequences – like a portal opening up to a Kill Team release from the distant future. For some reason their temporal gateways are always kind of blurry and at a strange angle, so Warhammer Community has engaged our top prognosticators to bring you a clear look at the box – Kill Team: Shadowhunt.

[storm jungle]

Lmfao dude its so fucking good

[surreal nest]

I feel bad for them leaking is lame

[paper haven]

What was the leak again?

[storm jungle]

nightbringer, sisters and night lords

it was HUGE leak

[storm jungle]

I get entertainemnt out of it

people can suffer

https://tenor.com/view/joaquin-phoenix-gladiator-thumbs-down-gif-13238004

[surreal nest]

I suffer because I really want the box 😟😟😟😟

[storm jungle]

😔

shouldnt have been a tabletop player

[rocky gale]

Yea like I have to wait for it now

[arctic talon]

The leak is lame bcs we see the climax early

smh

Imagine if we had the build up

[storm jungle]

we WHAT-

[surreal nest]

Killteam is unironically goated i am not going to front

[arctic talon]

from the boxes before it

[arctic talon]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GxdjtDdWIAA19YB.gif

[rocky gale]

Before I was clueless about it, now I know what I want and need to wait months for it

[surreal nest]

Like killteam is one of the few GW rulesets that can compete and overshadow the competition and thats rare of them

[arctic talon]

(I know he's acting but still the fake crashout at evo was funny as shit)

[surreal nest]

That and Spearhead

[crystal forum]

alcohol

[paper haven]

Willing to bet that they'll delay

[outer wave]

Its such a good bit

[arctic talon]

ngl infinity is like

better then killteam

imo

[surreal nest]

No way

[valid needle]

The build up is the best part

[arctic talon]

but infinity is very different from killteam

[surreal nest]

This box is like a year away

[rocky gale]

It's not gonna be delayed, it just isn't slated until 2026

There's two other Killteam releases before it

[paper haven]

Oof

That's a long way off

[surreal nest]

Including deathwatch?

[rocky gale]

Yep

Deathwatch vs Necron, then an as yet unannounced KIllteam box and then the one that leaked

[surreal nest]

Ah ok so just one unannounced

[arctic talon]

this is a 3 box season

[surreal nest]

I got worried that it was 2 more undisclosed ones

[arctic talon]

which is shorter then normal

thank fuck

could you imagine how much longer the wait would be

[surreal nest]

You dont like this season?

[arctic talon]

💀

[surreal nest]

Oh

[arctic talon]

nah

I like this season

but it would be agony

[surreal nest]

What was your favorite season?

[arctic talon]

we already know the "ending" basicially

Good question

tbh

[surreal nest]

I'm a huge into the dark fan ngl

[crystal forum]

keep your money for the inevitable GK vs sisters of silence kill team

[paper haven]

We already saw how that goes

[storm jungle]

Blanks when I shoot them in the face with a gun

[celest dome]

Blank when they're faced with a Necron team

[shrewd depot]

Holyshit lmao, Trazyn has a Krok?

[paper haven]

Pariahs standing menacingly off to the side

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-adeptus-sororitas-gif-14288794

[celest dome]

What doesn't he have

[paper haven]

That gun confuses me.

[celest dome]

What is confusing about it

Cylinder that spin is too low ?

[paper haven]

Rotating magazine implies it works like a revolver cylinder but the barrel is way too high

[celest dome]

Cylinder spin but has thr side covered too

[shrewd depot]

Its a rotating drum mag, for some reason

[paper haven]

Which makes even less sense mechanically

[shrewd depot]

What gets me

[gaunt lily]

Iron warriors guns make much more sense

[shrewd depot]

Is that the bullet casing takes a solid second to come out after firing

[celest dome]

Think so

Top left

[paper haven]

I physically can't comprehend this image

[rocky gale]

Yea if I had to guess I'd say the original drawing just had a drum mag, but whoever animated it decided to make it spin to add more movement

[paper haven]

I figured it was just added to look cool

But I can't not try and figure out how guns function

[celest dome]

If it's just the side that are moving (so not the whole cylinder), and it work like a Drum mag on a Lewis gun but instead of just an internal spring, it spin everything

[crystal forum]

is that a bolter

wtf even is that gun meant to be

[paper haven]

I assume bolter

[crystal forum]

grenade launcher?

[paper haven]

Same thing, really

[crystal forum]

never seen a combi bolter not used by a space marine

[shrewd depot]

Looks like an Arbities shotgun

[paper haven]

Oh the under barrel thing?

No clue what that's supposed to be

[crystal forum]

the muzzle and front sight are bolter

[rocky gale]

Na sororitas have combi bolters too

[gaunt lily]

the old HWT autocannon is one that got me when i thought about it, the drum mag covers the hole in the gunshield for aiming, and where it feeds has no room for an action because its right at the back

[crystal forum]

do not slander the autocannon

best guard weapon

[paper haven]

Assuming the rotating cylinder has one type of ammo and the center holds a single shot of something like a grenade or shotgun round, then it's sort of like a Lemat revolver

Which would be cool but I seriously doubt that was intended

[crystal forum]

it's definitely meant to look like an oerlikon 20mm

[rocky gale]

Can give the Sister Superior a bolter with a flamer, melta or plasma

[crystal forum]

that's not even official minis

[rocky gale]

What?

[paper haven]

I love how stupid this looks

[storm jungle]

they are official minis

[crystal forum]

those are recasts

[storm jungle]

guys can someone light jay on fire with melta

[crystal forum]

cut off her balls

[storm jungle]

they arent recasts the fuck

AAA-

[paper haven]

Gottem

[gaunt lily]

bitzbox is a bits reseller

so those are genuine

[rocky gale]

Here's the build instructions showing the different combi build options

[paper haven]

Imagine making models

[rocky gale]

Here's a picture of the Retributor Sister superior who also has these build options

[storm jungle]

Hocus pocus and fake news

[crystal forum]

still using non primaris guns

bunch of losers

[gaunt lily]

humans tend not to use space marine guns yeah

[paper haven]

1st edition is the only one that matters

[rocky gale]

Although unfortunately the combi weapons don't get separate rules, they're just a singular profile now

[crystal forum]

thanks 10th

[paper haven]

Imagine combined weapons functioning as combined weapons

[rocky gale]

and the Combiweapon kinda sucks

[gaunt lily]

you can only build them as they are in the box
we couldnt figure out how to make all the bits in the box make sense so now shotguns and autoguns are just gun

[crystal forum]

phobos space marine lieutenant with combi weapon

clearly has the sickest flamer bolter ever

and is meant to be used close quarters

nope, generic weapon

blame comp players ALWAYS BLAME THEM

no matter what naysayers like elitwolf say

[rocky gale]

Like Sister superior by rules you can equip with an inferno pistol or a hand flamer, neither of which are in the kit. But the weapons which are in the kit combi-flamer, combi-plasma and combi-melta are just unfied into "Combi-weapon"

Make rules for weapons not in the kit, but not for the weapons which are

Genius

[gaunt lily]

imo the biggest L of comp meta is the pushing of L shaped ruins as the only kind of terrain

[crystal forum]

ok but if you buy terrain you're a fool

[gaunt lily]

bring back hills and ravines and forests

making terrain can be fun tbf

but why make anything but L shape ruin

[paper haven]

L shape ruins are the only terrain you need

[rocky gale]

Another AoS win

Actual cool terrain features that get rules and shit

[crystal forum]

ew not WW2 style bunkers

[nova scaffold]

ngl i don't like it because most are ugly

[arctic talon]

Best I can do is L shaped forests/j

[gaunt lily]

actually true, 40k used to have fun terrain but they simplified it like their corporate logo

[arctic talon]

Ngl

40k has never had interesting terrain

Produced by GW

It’s always industrial stuff

Always imperium

And was either a box or L shapes

If you bring up deathworld forests that’s a forgeworld thing

If you want interesting terrain the answer is to make your own

GW has literally never made actual interesting terrain for players to use

[arctic talon]

Faction terrain I don’t really count ngl

Since it’s like, part of an army basically

[gaunt lily]

tarrantulas my beloved

[rocky gale]

Then uhhh

[arctic talon]

Like I don’t count my 12 awakened wyldwoods as terrain lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah that’s good

[arctic talon]

That’s not terrain

[nova scaffold]

like I i hate it for being ugly and vary limiting because the rules

[arctic talon]

My definition for terrain is, it’s entirely environmental

It’s not brought by an army specifically

And it’s “neutral”

[nova scaffold]

like its always unpainted

[arctic talon]

Idk

L shaped terrain is fine for comp

Tournaments can have really pretty terrain

No one is forcing you to use L shaped terrain either

[nova scaffold]

like i want to have a empty fields and it's pricy

[arctic talon]

I’ve always found that argument kind of dumb

[rocky gale]

Also this kit from Old World

Peak tbh

[gaunt lily]

they were fortifications, which is basically 40ks faction terrain

[arctic talon]

I do not count

Those as terrain

They cost points to bring

Fortifications and faction terrain

Are their own thing

[rocky gale]

Yoo they also sell Hills for Old World

[arctic talon]

It’s not like a plasma pipe, or random imperial ruin number 1361637 or random sigmarite ruin

[gaunt lily]

i know, i just brought it up because AoS faction terrain was brought up

and i like tarrantulas

[arctic talon]

Cavalry on suicide watch

lol

Idk, cover is a necessity on every 40k board but at the end of the day it’s up to the player

To populate the board with the terrain lol

GW can release comp guidelines and advice, but that’s all it is

[gaunt lily]

but yeah maybe if 40k supported diverse terrain profiles they might actually make diverse terrain, just saying

[arctic talon]

Advice. No one is forcing you to follow it outside of tournaments

And even then some tournaments have their own terrain standards

The team thing makes every map an urban hellhole lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah this is a 10e issue

Lol

10e moment

[gaunt lily]

most interesting 40k official terrain set

[arctic talon]

[rocky gale]

Killteam, doesn't count

[arctic talon]

These are just remakes of the FW one

Technically lol

But yeah GW has never released actual interesting terrain aside from skirmish scale stuff

[nova scaffold]

like for this case example this quar krysl mission which the mission is for the crusader recovering a downed spy aircraft but it got ambushed by the krysl sand stalkers, the mission is to either recover the aircraft and get the transport unstuck or destroy and abandon it

[arctic talon]

Imo

[rocky gale]

I'm also a fan of the whole Boarding Action terrain stuff, that's a really fun game mode

[arctic talon]

That’s just gallowdark tbf

[nova scaffold]

i like it because its uneven and challenging

[arctic talon]

this board is also boring but for different reasons

[arctic talon]

Yeah but the comp packs are meant to be balanced

[nova scaffold]

wheres the fun tho

[arctic talon]

Crusade and the old pre 10e narrative packs have more interesting scenarios

Because people can have fun in comp environments?

[nova scaffold]

i mean unequal combat

[arctic talon]

Unequal combat is fun because it’s narrative

Narrative play gives more incentive for creative shit

[nova scaffold]

it makes sense that the defending players gets a advantage

[nova scaffold]

i like it

[arctic talon]

Yeah but the comp maps aren’t a defending vs attacker thing is my point

[gaunt lily]

i actually stumbled across the original boarding actions stuff in the battlefleet gothic invasion pdf, was fun to read

[arctic talon]

The layout is a fight over neutral territory

That neither has control ofer

Some of the newer layouts have a more clearly defined defender/attacker mostly via deployment zone

[nova scaffold]

what you call a terrain that is just flat

[arctic talon]

But again people have fun weigh different things

[nova scaffold]

like no cover

just empty

[arctic talon]

Planet bowling ball

lol

Is the 40k name for that

It’s got some way worse Nicknames in some systems

Infinity players have a pretty awful name for it

[nova scaffold]

whats your favorite terrain

[arctic talon]

Me?

Urban

I like urban terrain a ton

Urban or jungle

[nova scaffold]

i like large

[arctic talon]

I like claustrophobic terrain

I think it makes games more chaotic

Especially in skirmish scale games

[gaunt lily]

hybrid, some open areas, some closed areas

[arctic talon]

Infinity city maps

Mmmmmm

Same with necromunda stuff

like this is the good shit

for Infinity lol

But yeah I’ve slowly realized I enjoy skirmish scale stuff a lot more

[gaunt lily]

i do like verticality, and urban terrain can do really good verticallity, except for when your urban is just more densely packed L shaped ruins

[arctic talon]

lol

[nova scaffold]

i had a original gonna play my first Wargame match untill my mother ruined it by breaking my tanks

[arctic talon]

All the layouts for crusade nachmund are great

It’s an urban hive city shithole(affectionate)

[nova scaffold]

i tried to make a lumber yard

now im thinking of building more buildings or prints them?

[gaunt lily]

honestly thematic terrain layouts are nice, we are fighting over X location, therefore we make it look like X location

[nova scaffold]

i got a cool game mode idea

wanna hear

[gaunt lily]

make your pitch

[nova scaffold]

if you play battlefield 1, you should know conquest

basically the terrain is in the long way

[celest dome]

One of my ex was an industrial architect student, she had access to quite a lot of models that lent themselves quite well for Kt games

[nova scaffold]

basically ot separated by section and the assaulting team had captured the point

after if the defending team fails to stop after 2 turns

they lost a section

the only way to win as assault is to capture all objectives point

the only way to win as defending team is to kill em all

so yeah

the defending team get unlimited respawns but is smaller and less tanks but more anti tank weapons

[gaunt lily]

ive seen some people do thematic attackers vs defenders style custom missions, so long as the goals are realistic for both sides its a really good way of doing interesting asymetric battles

[nova scaffold]

meanwhile the assault get more tanks but limited on lives

so yeah

basically like battlefield 1

[celest dome]

Asymmetric games are the fairest when your doing side switching tbh

[nova scaffold]

so how you think of my gamemode idea

[dapper gyro]

If you want a more accurate WW1 game, I recommend Verdun as its standalone DLC.

The game is bloody.

[nova scaffold]

its realistic like it got sickness and ptsd

[dapper gyro]

Any automatic weapon is god like.

[nova scaffold]

so you like my game mode idea

im planning for meeting my friend

like imma be nice and give him my leman rus (vanquiser), a chimera and the bane hammer

because 1 hes my best friend

[gaunt lily]

the most important thing is both people agree on what and how they play, so be sure to talk to him about it

[nova scaffold]

and two imma not tell him that imma bring a fuck ton of easky rhyflers because i told him no point limits

basically a prank

basically like the italian solders going to the USSR in ww2

and proceed to absolutely steamrole them

atlease i give him free tanks to be somewhat fair

so yeah

ill be the attacking force

and hes the defending team

he gonna use space marine and astra militarum conbine

and imma get much easky as i can

since i can get 10 per 5 and 28 per 15 dollars

so you like the idea @dapper gyro

i want to not tell him that because i want to make it a suprise attack which is realistic

so yeah it might be evil to will outnumber his imperium army 5 to 1

how you think @gaunt lily

he can respawn his units only 3 times but i dont

[gaunt lily]

.

[arctic talon]

Yes

Communication is key

[nova scaffold]

i share the stats

[nova scaffold]

yes i agree so i share the stats on easky tractors and weapons

[rocky gale]

Friend of mine was in our Warhammer store today and he said they were out of stock for literally everything Drukhari apart from the Pain Engine and he was talking to one of the employees and he said "I think something big is coming"

[gaunt lily]

the expectation is that the last big release of 10th will be drukhari

[nova scaffold]

lore accurate ork waag army:

[gaunt lily]

theyre due

a range refresh

a lot of their stuff is either old or recently retired forgeworld stuff

[rocky gale]

and even some of their newer stuff was ehhh

Like the Archon and the Wracks

[gaunt lily]

and otherwise just pretty limited in options, I say that a someone who GSCs

[rocky gale]

Are both fairly new kits that don't hold up

[nova scaffold]

so yeah aqua how you think of my idea of a suprise attack

i did told him the stats and rules for it

just for communication reason

but since its a suprise attack for the conquest game mode

i not gonna tell him how much i getting

[gaunt lily]

you need to explain to him the stats yes, but otherwise just go over the rules for the match and if he agrees then he agrees, if he has any concerns then be willing to discuss changes

[nova scaffold]

i made a illusing of me bring like 8 ot 9 easky in reality im bring 100 EASKY and tractors in the spirit of the alpha legion

professional deception or delusion

make yo call

[paper haven]

Play alpha legion as loyalist and CSM armies alternatively

[nova scaffold]

Hydra Dominatus!

[gaunt lily]

i feel like its better to be transparent with your intentions, hiding rules and pulling out forces that werent originally on the table can feel bad if its not agreed upon

[nova scaffold]

i told hi the rules

and the stats and the vehicle stats

and the rules for it

like everything

exept for the number of them im bringing

[paper haven]

Select a single unit in the enemy's army before the game starts and name him Alpharius (This is a lie) and if they die, concede defeat (This is a lie)

[crystal forum]

as much as the meme is overused i still love it

[nova scaffold]

the ultimate form of alpha legion gameplay is be so confusing so much that you confused yourself

[paper haven]

It's the only 40k meme that I don't get tired of

[gaunt lily]

if he agreed to unlimited points then you have whatever models you have, but if youre going to hide some of your forces and not announce them to 'suprise' him, id suggest you at least tell him something like 'and in addition to my army there will be some reinforcements on the way' just to let him know somethings up while still having the suprise

[nova scaffold]

then how do i do a suprise attack

like i plan to blind fold him and deploy my army then unblindfold him and starts the game

like he will learn about the true force when the game starts

like not in mid way

[gaunt lily]

I guess you could do it that way, its your game and your friend so its up to you

[nova scaffold]

i want to suprise him

in the more of "***OH SHIT 5K ROACHES COME OUT THE TOILET AND THEY ALL FLYING ***"

type of suprise

[nova scaffold]

like what is your way of doing a suprise attack without being unfair

for me is just psychological warfare

hbu

[gaunt lily]

tbh i cant balance fair and unfair for you in an infinite points game, the only thing to make sure is you both have fun and dont feel cheated

[nova scaffold]

he has respawn and i dont

and his units are stronger then mines

he got space marines that is basically a tank with feelings

[gaunt lily]

exactly why i cant comment on fairness and balance, youre the chef and youre eating the meal

[surreal nest]

The amount of times a warhammer store doesnt have the stock that a tiny little store has is kinda crazy

Like wdym you haven't had tzeentch daemons in over 5 months

[nova scaffold]

the alpha legions is trolling you

they take all the stock of the speific warhammer kits before you get it lol

[surreal nest]

NO FR

[nova scaffold]

Hydra Dominatus!

[paper haven]

I love to think that the Alpha Legion does things purely to confuse and infuriate people

[nova scaffold]

they throw a birthday party to a scared commissar and told him no one gonna believe him while placing tau propaganda in his room and alerting the sister of battle to his room

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-fanatical-chanting-chant-sisters-of-battle-gif-18626363

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, one of the things I like about the Alpha Legion is it's use of human operators

Pre-Heresy, they even went out of their way to extract/save them

Which is honestly a nice change of pace compared to Salamanders or even Marine's Malevolent

They care for their own

But they don't care about you

[paper haven]

Another thing I really like about them

[opaque coyote]

Also their aesthetic is cool

Snake

And scales

[paper haven]

Snek

[opaque coyote]

Too bad most of their plots consist of

"I backstabbed your backstabbing"

gasp

"I am Alpharius, this sentence is false."

[paper haven]

Even more predictable than a heist movie

[opaque coyote]

At least heist movies can be fun.

And also Heist games as well. Payday 2 moment

[paper haven]

Let me guess: They did a double cross

[opaque coyote]

I do think my favorite heist scene is in The Dark Knight

Fucking plebian ik

But lile

The amount of double crossing is funny

Shows how fucking much of a troll the Joker is.

[paper haven]

That scene was somehow every heist movie condensed into one moment

[opaque coyote]

And of course he'd make a plan that needlessly complicated

Because it's funny

[paper haven]

Like, if literally any single person thought ahead it wouldn't have worked

[opaque coyote]

I do unironically want an Imperium Heist short story.

Like a group of desperate hivers try to break into some Noble's bank

[paper haven]

I'm a little surprised one doesn't exist already

[opaque coyote]

Payday 2 style

"I DIDN'T BUY CARAPACE ARMOR AND A HEAVY BOLTER JUST TO GO QUIET."

[paper haven]

Bro's running stoic on a sneaking mission

[opaque coyote]

I can imagine unique precautions

Like shooting any servitor in the head

Even if stationary

[paper haven]

Throw in an impending tyrannids invasion

[opaque coyote]

To prevent being locked in

[paper haven]

One if the heisters is a GSC

It'll be great

[surreal nest]

Oh god the "night lords actually dont like chaos or its mutations" gang is in full force after the shadowhunt reveal

Everybody stay indoors and open up their favorite lore entry to scare away the meme lore spouters

[arctic talon]

Don’t like mutations
largest warband is led by a daemon prince

[surreal nest]

Nightlords not liking chaos would be like a scientist working with noxious fumes to refuse to wear PPE like come on now folks

God I want to see a chaos space marine biker

WAIT THEYRE REAL I WAS JUST DAYDREAMING

[covert kiln]

Get on writing that fanfic!

[cyan merlin]

You’ve heard of the multi-melta
Now get ready for
Mini-melta

It melts people
Mini-ly

[sacred ginkgo]

This implies that the multi melta melts people multi-ly

[paper haven]

All the Night Lord fans were encouraged by it. They think it's acceptable to exist because of this now.

[naive cliff]

My problem with the Soul Hunter books right here

Tryna make Night lords nice/decent when all of em should be murdering psychos

[paper haven]

Even in Soul Hunter they still are

[paper haven]

Oh look, a pre-heresy Night Lord.

[lament shoal]

Saw this meme on YouTube and and this was under one of the comment threads

Like bro what? 😭

[paper haven]

Konrad?

[surreal nest]

FREE WILL DOES NOT EXIST THE EMPEROR TOLD ME TO SKIN ALL THE ELDERLY PEOPLE

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah but its subjectively a crime against humanity sooooo

and also

Nihilism can go fuck itself

[paper haven]

The Emperor will send an assassin to kill me so I will now do everything I can to make the Emperor send an assassin to kill me

[sacred ginkgo]

My #1 enemy

[paper haven]

That's not even real nihilism

[sacred ginkgo]

Close enough

[paper haven]

It's like, step one and then forget all that other stuff about finding personal meaning and purpose

[sacred ginkgo]

Ok that brand of nihilism is cool

[opaque coyote]

Y'know the worst part is that I'd probably be that guy

Because the books are really good

Definitely wouldn't say sympathetic though

Just "Trust me it's really interesting following these guys that literally flay people alive. It's not just gore porn."

[opaque coyote]

Nihilism is closer to

"Nothing matters, so why not make my own purpose"

Rather than "Nothing matters, so fuck it. I'm gonna be gay and do crime. Not in that order."

[languid meadow]

https://fxtwitter.com/KonradCurze_40k/status/1956105503400190243 I don't know why but the Konrad account tweeting this is hilarious

Konrad_Curze_40k (@KonradCurze_40k)

Played against raven guard today and I feel this is an accurate representation of what my cultists went through

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[paper haven]

For the record I do like the Soul Hunter books, I just didn't come away thinking the Night Lords are misunderstood.

Or even all that sympathetic

[opaque coyote]

How do I say this

It shows that they're still human

[lament shoal]

Saw some mf call the night lords "compassionate."

Like, are we talking about the same legion here???

[median star]

their passionate about being incompassionate

[opaque coyote]

Unfortunately I think we forget that being human includes people like

Hitler

Stalin

etc.

Like we call them inhumane, genocidal, terrible, and they're all correct.

but also they were still human at the end of the day

and to forget that is to refuse to acknowledge that a person can delve into such evil.

That's what the Night Lords are to me. Interestingly terrible people.

[surreal nest]

Isn't the act of falling to chaos an act of abandoning humanity though

Like chaosians aren't really human with human goals anymore

[opaque coyote]

Kind of, but also not really.

[surreal nest]

Space marines themselves are inhuman

[opaque coyote]

They like to say it's transcending humanity

In fact, no. You're just indulging in your sins

Or in the case of corruption. Just was... severely unlucky.

[surreal nest]

What about their souls though, are chaos marines souls not bound to the warp due to their exposure?

[opaque coyote]

Yesn't. They are human enough to know what they lost and are pissed off about it.

The Night Lords book has a flashback where one of the Space Marine's parents come to them.

[surreal nest]

Idk i see chaos marines in the same field as daemons in this context

[opaque coyote]

Pleading if they remember her.

He couldn't look at her. I think he just shoved her away.

It's left ambigiuous whether he recognized her or whether he genuinely didn't remember

But one of his brothers basically told him "Dude, that was your mom"

[surreal nest]

I also consider space marines imperium's daemons though

[opaque coyote]

Souls are a weird thing in 40k.

Necrons don't have souls but do have full consciousness and feelings

It does have some effect. Necrons that have the ability to maintain their consciousness feel a sense of deep wrongness and a lack of change. But it's ambiguous on how important it actually is.

We definitely know it is important though.

Any person that pledges to the Chaos God has their soul absorbed into them when they die.

They're still mortal and still have their souls though.

Daemon Princes don't really have a soul anymore. So they're not human anymore.

[celest dome]

Only if they become Daemon Prince, get possessed and such

[opaque coyote]

Also most aren't aware about this anyways

[surreal nest]

I thought their souls got absorbed into the warp

[opaque coyote]

Nah that's just regular death

Like a drop of water returning to the ocean

[celest dome]

Ye

Well to be fair all souls go to the warp except the Eldar stuff

[surreal nest]

That seems crazy that the warp wouldn't try to take the souls of their chaos marines

[opaque coyote]

Although it's unknown whether it's just a comfortable oblivion or extreme pain for all of eternity.

[celest dome]

It would be counterproductive to take the souls early

[opaque coyote]

The warp is an ocean essentially. By itself, it is mindless.

The Chaos Gods are the ones affecting it the most.

[celest dome]

As Soulless beings are more restricted than souled ones

[surreal nest]

I just summoned chaos gods wouldn't fuck with autonomy

[opaque coyote]

Basically, Daemons can't go to the materium easily.

Gotta have mortal people that can

[celest dome]

Like Daemons and Deamon Princes have more difficulties to remain on the material world than mortal who still have their soul

[surreal nest]

Ahhh right thats true

[cyan merlin]

Just kill all the mortal people lmao

[median star]

they didnt push her away they straight up executed on the spot if i remember

[celest dome]

It's also the same thing on why Kharn/Lucius/Typhus/Ahriman have never ascended to Deamonhood while the Primarch have

[paper haven]

Hitler mentioned. Reset the timer

[surreal nest]

I think irregardless i have an issue with chaos marines being categorized as human by my own definition, I can't sympathize with night lords

But I sympathize with Angron a little bit

[opaque coyote]

Chaos doesn't want that

Because then the game would end and the warp would calm

[celest dome]

Well they'll play a new game in a new reality

[opaque coyote]

yeah but that's boring

[surreal nest]

Chaos gods gotta be the worst landlords in history dog

[celest dome]

But I think that the Emperor happen to be a quite interesting target for them

[median star]

doesnt perturbao always feel the eye of terror looking down on him or something does that still persist into him becoming a demon prince

[opaque coyote]

Unfortunately they are.

Just very evil ones.

I mean if you count Ogryns as human, Space Marines and CSMs are by default.

[opaque coyote]

I mean Chaos is more like...

Four corporations.

[median star]

votann could also technically be seen as human

[celest dome]

Well, back to sleep for 2 hours

[opaque coyote]

You got your blue collar workers (cultists and other humans), white collar workers (daemons), managers (greater daemons and daemon princes), and the CEO (The Chaos God)

With a corporate ladder to climb, a currency (souls), etc.

[surreal nest]

I mean I count them as abhuman by warhammer definition but aren't space marines technically protohumans? Or whatever its called?

[opaque coyote]

technically mutants.

But nah, they're kinda their own thing?

Abhuman is just a political definition in the 40kverse anyways

It just means

" Mutant that we don't shoot immediately"

While Space Marines have a bit more reverence than that

...and also can't fuck.

Well... as far as we know anyways

[celest dome]

Ah yes real life

Higher you are the more of an ass you are 😔

[opaque coyote]

Even in the warp, you can't escape a 9-5...

[surreal nest]

Cultists and daemons seem chill if you ask me

[opaque coyote]

Truly the grimmest darkest of them all

[celest dome]

Legally they're not treated as Abhuman nor Human

They and Custodes are in a separate illdefined category

[celest dome]

🎵 I am a 9 to 5 Barbarian 🎶

[opaque coyote]

Honestly kinda put them as like

"Super-human"

makes snese

[dapper gyro]

Transhuman*

[opaque coyote]

Also that but eh

[dapper gyro]

It is the actual term, lol.

[opaque coyote]

Superhuman sounds way cooler

Transhuman just sounds like nerd stuff

"OoooOOoo I'm a transhuman!"

[surreal nest]

I imagine they just refuse to define them because they will sound an awful lot like a xenos or mutant 😭

[median star]

then you have belakor being the john mcafee of 40k

[opaque coyote]

I mean why do you think Sisters of Battle dislike Space Marines

It isn't because of the war crimes

[dapper gyro]

transhuman physiology is literally one of their ability.

[opaque coyote]

Because... let's be fair here

The Sisters would win

They are

Very competitive

[surreal nest]

Funniest way to explain imperium hypocrisy

[opaque coyote]

Had a cute idea of sorts. A Sister of Battle kinda making a video blog thing

Essentially it's just her reviewing guns in her downtime

Xeno guns, Imperium guns, whatever the fuck

She's part of a Deathwatch retinue it's fine (tm)

Even has special live targets to review them on!

[dapper gyro]

The Imperium doesn't dare to equip normal human with power armour, because they could render the SM useless while being more subtible to corruption.

And women are easier to control.

If you don't know the satire about the SOB.

[opaque coyote]

SoB
Inquistiors
Tech Priests
The Hive Spire families in Necromunda
Knight Houses (at least according to the book Knightsblade)
Arkan Confederates (Imperial Guard Regiment)

yeah...

no power armor at all

[dapper gyro]

SOB is the most numerous in that group.

By a very big margin

[opaque coyote]

To be honest, I doubt it's actually because of Space Marines.

It's probably because that shit is expensive to create.

[opaque coyote]

Probably the case out of universe though.

Gotta make the awesome space super soldiers more unique

[lament shoal]

Rogue traders too lol

[dapper gyro]

You misunderstand me there.

Like, instead of gearing the sisters, if you gear it to the troops regardless of gender, that means you have a group of normal human that can somewhat rival the SM.

Without all of the expensive geneseed things.

[sacred ginkgo]

Giving guard scale armies power armor would be expensive in the extreme

[median star]

spire is also a whole level above power armor i think

[surreal nest]

I think there might be a difference between the training and physical capabilities of space marines compared to a dude in power armor. I dont believe that a group of power armored humans can suddenly take on space marines because they are in power armor

Plus its just expensive im sure and not worth it

[tough haven]

Considering arming one regiment with laser sights bankrupts a planet

[opaque coyote]

Space Marines have way faster reflexes and movement by default

To the point where people unironically freak the fuck out because nothing that huge is supposed to move that fast

They can also live on literal rocks

Like

Primarchs and SMs can just eat glass

Rocks

Etc.

And live

Fun fact, that's how Ferrus survived his home planet

"Mmm, molten Iron. Tastes just like Medusa!"

[surreal nest]

Yeah isnt there literally a term for regular humans getting shellshock from watching an astartes fight

[languid meadow]

Transhuman dread

iirc

[tough haven]

Now we know the limit is 70

What a hero

[surreal nest]

Yessss thats it thank you

[dapper gyro]

If the sisters can do it, then anyone can do it. They might not be 1:1 to a SM, but even at 3-5:1, like the sisters, it is quite enough.

[surreal nest]

If the sisters can do it, then anyone can do it 🤨

[dapper gyro]

Why not?

[surreal nest]

The implication is weird but I'm assuming you didn't mean what I interpreted it as

Because the context is regular bum guardsmen in power armor