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winged jacinth
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i have had to be organized like never before for this class

crystal forum
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no shit

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sounds awful

winged jacinth
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its like a 60 hour week

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it puts me 6 months ahead on graduating though

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so gotta bite the bullet

crystal forum
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i hate how pointlessly hard chemistry is to learn in school

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so much memorizing

winged jacinth
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im out the other side though we're done with new regular reactions its just like 5 days of biochem and the final

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my reaction index is legitimately something like 90-100 reactions from this class lol

rocky gale
winged jacinth
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i know the mechanisms for most of them at least well enough to work them out if i need them, not going to use that for sure lol

crystal forum
winged jacinth
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knowing your reactions from ochem is good for synthesis i guess but you can always reference stuff

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and you have to for real reactions

crystal forum
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i dont like memorization

rocky gale
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Because each lab will have their own processes and standards and expect you to learn their methodology book

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Actually not even fully expect you to learn it, just follow it

crystal forum
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i enjoyed writing procedures for a while

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small companies are great for learning the entire process

winged jacinth
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i like designing procedures

rocky gale
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My boss still consults the manual before doing her tests half the time

crystal forum
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then i got into a big company and god

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absolutely no freedom

winged jacinth
crystal forum
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data collection is what i do

rocky gale
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and even when you're being audited by inspectors we're allowed to have the Method book out and read it while being questioned about the process

crystal forum
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safety process?

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or is it internal auditors

winged jacinth
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designing synthesis pathways is a whole thing but memorization wont be good enough anyway because you need to know like, solubilities and boiling points and stuff

rocky gale
crystal forum
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i enjoy when you learn through processes

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actually understanding what something is for

winged jacinth
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come up with great pathway
one of your molecules completely evaporates the first time you apply heat

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also fuck the merck index

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standardize your shit

crystal forum
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at least none that are external

winged jacinth
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what motherfucker put "soluble in 70 parts water" in the same entry as "slightly soluble in ether"

crystal forum
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that's usually for managers

rocky gale
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It's not manufacturing, we're testing products from other companies for nutritional information. They're auditing that our methods, premises, equipment, training etc is sufficient to be an Accredited lab

winged jacinth
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(compliance auditing)

crystal forum
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why are you supposed to know it by heart?

rocky gale
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Yea

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Wait

crystal forum
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the company procedure is supposed to be the thing audited no?

winged jacinth
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larmoth says she doesnt need to know it by heart

rocky gale
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I meant yea to seythi

winged jacinth
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she just has to be able to explain it from the method document

rocky gale
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Yea we're allowed to have the manual and consult it while being observed

winged jacinth
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i guess yeah it makes sense they'd just have you do it instead of making you explain lol

rocky gale
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Like testing for SO2 for example, the auditor will observe me running the test and will also ask questions about the process, for which I can consult the Method

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Or they can ask to me explain why certain things are done etc

crystal forum
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oh so they actually watch you do it

rocky gale
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Yea

crystal forum
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okay that makes sense

winged jacinth
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you can reference the manual while you're working normally so it would be crazy for you not to be able to while being inspected

rocky gale
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They will watch and ask questions

crystal forum
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they're just making sure your part of the chain is being followed

rocky gale
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Yea they won't Audit everything, they will just have a list of 3/4 tests that they will audit each year

crystal forum
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usually that would be by observing operators where i've been

winged jacinth
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part of why its insane we have to memorize all these reactions for tests

rocky gale
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This year it was PH, Sugar, Fats and Proteins that were being audited.

winged jacinth
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like i can look up that i need phenol selenium halide if i need to make an alpha-beta unsaturated complex on the less substituted side of a ketone

crystal forum
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there's some bullshit idea about it teaching you the basics so you can easily return to them when needed

winged jacinth
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i get knowing the reactions but like, we have to memorize so many reagents and shit lol

crystal forum
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yeah

rocky gale
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But our lab was also seeking accreditation for Active Water testing, which was assigned to me to handle after only being there a few months. It was much more stressful than the Audit

winged jacinth
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ok like half of the reagents are "aqueous acid" and like a third of them are "aqueous base" but still

crystal forum
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is it even important to know them all by name if you understand what an aqueus acid is

winged jacinth
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im exaggerating a lot lol

rocky gale
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Audit is basically renewing your license while earning Accreditation is doing it for the first time and much harder

winged jacinth
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there are many things that can perform most of the reactions but you have to be able to describe the class of chemical or give an example

crystal forum
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my college math teacher was really adamant about teaching math as a method and not as a strict guideline

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he would also hate when i referred to the axis by X and Y lol

winged jacinth
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a lot of them have HX as a reagent which is any hydrohalide acid besides hydrofluoric

winged jacinth
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but also like, knowing the difference between NaBH4 and LiAlH4 as reducers is important

rocky gale
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So for that it was basically me and two auditors alone for an entire day

crystal forum
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damn

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the company trusts you a lot

rocky gale
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Because it wasn't just being tested on what to do, but why you're doing it and how the process works

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I'm the only one that's been trained to operate the machine, so had to be me.

winged jacinth
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oof

crystal forum
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ok wait are you a chemist or a technician

winged jacinth
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what even is active water testing

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a good chunk of chemistry is operating very expensive machines

rocky gale
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My job title is Lab Technician, but I'm a Chemist

crystal forum
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every chemist i've seen doesn't touch anything exept their laptop

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like an engineer

crystal forum
winged jacinth
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theres like a trillion sub-fields of chemistry

crystal forum
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there's also many technical degrees in chemistry

winged jacinth
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theres people that work in compounding pharmacies and actually synthesize drugs for patients on order and stuff

crystal forum
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you wouldn't expect the pharmacist to be handling the drugs themselves

winged jacinth
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no its a specialist job usually at a specialist pharmacy

rocky gale
winged jacinth
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and the job title i think is usually pharmaceutical chemist

rocky gale
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So it's useful for determining Shelf life

winged jacinth
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most of what they do is make alternate formats of drugs or weird dosages though

crystal forum
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i have a technical degree. i know for a fact that chemists and engineers dont make good technicians

winged jacinth
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like i said its subfields

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theres chemists that only do theory plugging away on chemdraw and a calculator

rocky gale
# crystal forum that's odd

Just the way it is here for some reason, we also have a Microbiology lab and they're also Lab technicians while being Microbiologists

winged jacinth
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theres chemists that actively do lab work constantly

crystal forum
winged jacinth
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lab technician is kinda a general job title for "actually works in the labs" in a lot of places

rocky gale
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Yea

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We're not actual technicians

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It just signifies we do actual labwork

crystal forum
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it's a shame really

winged jacinth
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you're in a lab and you do techniques you're a laboratory technician

crystal forum
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i know IBM uses actual physicists to maintain their laser machines where i was at

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which is wild to me

winged jacinth
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oftentimes theres so much specialist knowledge that goes into operation that having the job split doesnt make sense

crystal forum
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again i would know i've done both sides a bit

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was treated as an engineer somewhere and treated as a pure technician in another place

winged jacinth
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at least in the US you get a chemistry degree regardless of what kind of chemistry you're ending up doing

crystal forum
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i hated the experience as a technician with no real control in the processes lol

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being treated like a robot

winged jacinth
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i guess i see what you're saying?

crystal forum
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bachelors are broad like that

rocky gale
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Ideally we'd have a coworker who isn't a Lab Tech to handle washing up and food processing but we don't have that currently. So we're having to handle that ontop of the testing.

winged jacinth
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but at least for chemistry a lot of the time you need the education to even understand the machines and their output at all

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reading NMR results is an art

crystal forum
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if it's like engineering then you barely get to touch machines in uni

winged jacinth
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nah we get really hands on

rocky gale
crystal forum
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it's mostly theory which is not directly applicable to lab settings

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but unis are different

winged jacinth
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i ran an IR spectrometer literally yesterday

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after performing an aldol condensation at microscale

crystal forum
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i had a whole class where i used a spectrometer every week

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labs almost every day

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it's drilled into you

dense ravine
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what does dross mean?

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i dont like it when sefoni calls me it

winged jacinth
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its like waste material from machining

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shes calling you trash yeah

vagrant fox
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trash, rubbish

crystal forum
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im lucky that im so good at using machines naturally

winged jacinth
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apparently it specifically refers to slag often

crystal forum
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i had that 30 year old machine working like a charm

rocky gale
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Doesn't help that our Gas chromatographer is 300 years old and shuts itself down half the time because it thinks the gas has stopped when the gas intake is fine.

dense ravine
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god damnit

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and i thought i would hit

crystal forum
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my school had an electron microscope that saw the birth of the universe

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it had those big plastic buttons you'd see in alien

winged jacinth
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i worked in a fluid dynamic lab one summer a long time ago (i posted the projectile i think lol) and they had machines running on DOS

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i wonder if anyone has gotten around to upgrading that lol

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odds are no

crystal forum
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i was a lab tech at a big uni for an internship

rocky gale
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Thankfully our computer system is up to date, but yea some of our equipment is still in use from when the lab opened

winged jacinth
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the same people work on moneymaking projects so the big gun doesnt get the love it should

crystal forum
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i had to do inventory for stuff that didn't even have labels

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there was wood panneling on some

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like a 70's station wagon

winged jacinth
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turns out ethylene cracking shockwave reactors bring in funding as does offering reentry condition testing

winged jacinth
crystal forum
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and i had to dig up the maintenance book for a 40 year old machine

winged jacinth
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its a homestarism but i describe stuff devices as being "beige enough" sometimes lol

crystal forum
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to figure out how to change the internal addresse

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the booklet had a single image of disassembling and it had the printed quality of diarrhea

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my best experience was being a lab tech for students in their 4th year of their physics engineering degrees

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they didn't know how to orient a polarized capacitor

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wild

rocky gale
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Lab tech for students?

crystal forum
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yeah like the guy helping the lab work

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one of those pre made labs

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that students have to run through

rocky gale
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Oh okay

crystal forum
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but this was a very theory focused school and prestigious

winged jacinth
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making the dilutions and shit

crystal forum
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so they didn't know shit

crystal forum
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something fairly simple

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there was some sort of light based lab that i didn't get to see much because apparently the professor intentionally broke the machine so the school would buy a new one

winged jacinth
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lmao

rocky gale
crystal forum
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all the equipment was barely functional so understandable

crystal forum
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idk it wasnt really my main job

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it was an internship

rocky gale
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Yea, our place should have a lab assistant, but they just don't really want to hire one

crystal forum
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where you work?

rocky gale
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In a Food Lab, it's quite a small place

crystal forum
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you should not be a technician at all

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usually that means lower salary

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which is bull

rocky gale
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It's how labs work here, my route of progression is Lab supervisor and then Lab manager

crystal forum
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yeah that's still lab technician territory

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you'll just be managing other technicians

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which is actual hell

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i'd try to get as far away from the lab as possible if i had a bachelors

rocky gale
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No that's how labs work here

crystal forum
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do you design the lab procedures

rocky gale
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No

crystal forum
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so you just follow them

rocky gale
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Yes

crystal forum
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that's below your education just saying

gaunt lily
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tbf the amount of people going through uni has pushed up the educational requirements for a lot of things, bachelors is entry level for a lot of stuff including technician roles now

crystal forum
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it's just a lack of technical degrees compared to bachelors

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which is understandable since you're still being paid more with a bachelors for the same technical job

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god i hate it

gaunt lily
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...yeah

crystal forum
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i was literally teaching a new engineer things at my last job but people kept telling me to shut up and be a tool like the ground floor operators

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god that was shit

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fuck those assholes

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engineers deserve the stereotypes

scenic bolt
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stem brainrot

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this coming from someone who got an engineering degree

opaque coyote
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I swear a lot of our problems are due to people being like

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"Wait... You mean that other people matter??"

young pecan
opaque coyote
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Although in my opinion, I think we should ban any label of a bill that they're doing it

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"for the kids"

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"We should ban naughty games! For the kids!"

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Like bro think of something else at least

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I mean if it's talking about schools and shit. Then obviously it's for the kids.

You don't need to say it.

young pecan
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Kids that are raised properly will know it is a video game and that the bad things in them are bad
Kids that are raised improperly will act out with or without the bad things in video games

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Such a useless boomer talking point

opaque coyote
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I redownloaded Darktide on my new pc

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I instantly had the urge to purge anybody that had a "mutation"

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"bro I got a mole right here, isn't that coo-"

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"MUTATION!" BLAM BLAM BLAM

young pecan
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There should be mandatory emotional intelligence classes at every one of three different school stages

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Ah but that would require the school system to be more funded and developed to execute effectively

opaque coyote
young pecan
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Otherwise the teachers would just put on pre-made powerpoints and be like those compassion-blank therapists

opaque coyote
young pecan
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Education tends to make people lean left

opaque coyote
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That's why cultures are different

young pecan
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I wonder why that is

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Surely there's no correlation

opaque coyote
young pecan
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"Socioeconomic"?

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Wtf is that

opaque coyote
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I remember that there is a guy who is a brain surgeon. Revolutionary in his field and made multiple medical advancements. I even think he did the first separation of conjoined twins?

young pecan
opaque coyote
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He also believes that the Earth is flat

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What would you call this?

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Idiot Savant?

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It's like having 1 int in Fallout New Vegas but having 100 in medicine and science

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Which as a side note, is fucking funny

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"Yes, I believe that Caesar has a brain tumor. I can perform surgery that can easily repair it."

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after saving Caesar

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"ICE CREAM!!!"

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I once made a one int female courier.

...she worked for the Legion. I think you can tell why and how she's one int.

young pecan
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I love that the game throws shade at you if you side with the Legion as a female courier, especially with high karma in the end cutscene

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"this fucking idiot just betrayed herself twice"

scenic bolt
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yea someone in my class went on to work at NASA and reconnecting later they were wholly into the Pyramids were built by extradimensional beings as a power conduit to power the hyper advanced Atlantean civilization

opaque coyote
young pecan
scenic bolt
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they werent even in rocketry they were in life support

young pecan
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The lizards behind the scenes are going hard on drilling oil and using fossil fuels

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Which will raise sea levels

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Bringing about Atlantean society

opaque coyote
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Since they

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Live in the sea

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Egypt is only close to the Mediterranean Sea

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Why am I trying to apply logic to a crazy conspiracy theory

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...

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Eh world building let's goo

scenic bolt
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I can answer that

young pecan
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Sobek lives in Egypt so it's a long term power grab by him

scenic bolt
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see the pyramids were meant to direct the energy to the atlanteans moon base where they mined helium 3 and retransported it to atlantis

opaque coyote
# scenic bolt I can answer that

As a side note, it's why Inside Job was one of my favorite shows.

Actually tries to give reasoning and worldbuilding for the many conspiracy theories.

scenic bolt
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like it was so whacko I tried to find the origin of the conspiracy theory

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and I got nothing

opaque coyote
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"Why is Global warming not dealt with effectively? They're trying to make the temperature higher for the Lizard people to live comfortably."

scenic bolt
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(funnily enough those types also oppose any attempts to mitigate global warming)

opaque coyote
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"Amazon Rainforest fire? Meant to prevent living tree people from killing us all."

opaque coyote
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"The Titanic? Atlantean incident."

scenic bolt
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my favorite conspiracy theorists to mess with are flat earthers

opaque coyote
scenic bolt
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just bring up the moon

young pecan
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And DON'T say ice caps melting or increased natural disaster frequency or highest Summer highs record breaking every year

opaque coyote
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Okay

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Good

scenic bolt
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flew a little too close to the sun there

opaque coyote
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My own fucking psychologist doubts global warming

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Help

scenic bolt
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the lemurian created sun

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not the fake sun thats projected in the skybox

opaque coyote
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The first rocketship goes up

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Immediately hits the skybox invisible wall or something

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And then falls down

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๐Ÿ’€

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Honestly from all these conspiracy theories. Most of them I'm like

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"But why would they actually hide it? What's the fucking point?"

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Like why would you hide that the Earth is flat? Why make everything out of false math? That just makes everything harder.

young pecan
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Conservatives are my favorite fantasy worldbuilders

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So creative

opaque coyote
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I think the only one that... actually has a bit of reasoning behind it is "Fake Moon landing".

scenic bolt
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there was a bit I remember from one of the mitchell and webb sketches about moon landing conspiracies

opaque coyote
young pecan
opaque coyote
young pecan
opaque coyote
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SOMEHOW

young pecan
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Yeah true but it's funny to dog on 40k writers

opaque coyote
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Fair

scenic bolt
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'well we can save money by not going to the moon by faking it the largest cost is the giant rocket'
'well we're still going to have to make a giant rocket, what are we gonna point to when people ask how we got to the moon, oh in this giant rocket'

gaunt lily
paper haven
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Flat earth theory is my favorite

opaque coyote
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Vs most others where I'm just like

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"Why would they even do this?"

paper haven
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Followed by hollow earth theory

opaque coyote
scenic bolt
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matrix theories are so boring

paper haven
scenic bolt
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every tech billionaire believes it, find a new bit

opaque coyote
scenic bolt
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cryptids are the fun ones

gaunt lily
opaque coyote
paper haven
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The world being a simulation makes hackers the highest form of life and I find that insulting on a philosophical level

opaque coyote
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Like we might just be code tied to it.

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In which case the simulation might be our reality anyways

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So it doesn't matter

paper haven
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I still find it insulting

opaque coyote
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I just find it funny

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Because even if it a simulation

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...

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The fuck are we even supposed to do?

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Maybe we could plan to break out but we ain't gonna do that now

paper haven
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You ever watch the matrix? All those people that get shot?

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That's us

nocturne crest
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Nah. Maybe the simulation has already broken down.

opaque coyote
nocturne crest
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Or is in the process of breaking down.

opaque coyote
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Like I know that the brain can fool us. Placebo is a thing

paper haven
nocturne crest
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The simulation being democracy or capitalism.

scenic bolt
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there was a gary busey reality show where he goes on a cryptid hunt with a bigfoot guy and an aliens guy and slowly starts prodding them both to the point where the alien guy fist fights the bigfoot guy over who's conspiracy is more true

opaque coyote
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But like how does our brain fool ourselves into dying

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Like what

paper haven
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Mind over matter I guess

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Shut up and watch the slow mo

opaque coyote
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That's essentially the explanation.

But I still find it to be stupid.

...even though the matrix is stupid fun at the end of the day

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But stupid in a bad way

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If that makes any sense

scenic bolt
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it's funny how a lot of conspiracy drivel is derived from pop culture

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yea great job it's so well hidden that one of the largest movies of its time was created about it

opaque coyote
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No idea where the fuck chem trails come from

paper haven
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If death isn't possible in the simulation then we can't argue that we're locked unknowingly inside one

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I think chem trails comes from airborne pesticides

scenic bolt
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part of chem trails is boomer slop where they grew up with smog infested skies so it looks 'different/wrong' now because global initiatives to cut smog and acid rain actually worked

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but no chemtrails did it

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geo engineering now

paper haven
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Except it's not for pest control but Mind control oOoOoOo

opaque coyote
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In case if we really fuck up

paper haven
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We will

scenic bolt
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I mean for some of the rich types theyve already written it off and are trying to figure out how to rule/survive the collapse

opaque coyote
scenic bolt
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there was a pretty famous article about a psychologist that had those types as clients

opaque coyote
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Or just

scenic bolt
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and their fears were all 'how do I stop my armed security from killing me and taking my bunker when we evacuate'

opaque coyote
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Die before they can get there

scenic bolt
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instead of, well you got a lot of power and influence now why not use that to stop a collapse you fear

opaque coyote
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You're just gonna have to... treat people well

scenic bolt
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and they were all like 'nah Im working on nerve staplers and bomb collars'

paper haven
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Any assumptions that your servants and security guards wouldn't immediately kill you is foolish

opaque coyote
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Even before the apocalypse

scenic bolt
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I mean that boston dynamics dog's OG specs called for it to be able to carry a fully loaded M240

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this was back in design not even when it was produced

paper haven
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FPV drones are more effective

young pecan
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So crazy how close to the truth Black Ops 2 was with modern war

dapper gyro
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Nah, still a lot of exaggeration.

young pecan
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True, I meant moreso that at least some of it came true

nocturne crest
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Silly idea: CSM get new bikers models, but it's just a CSM on a pedal tricycle with guns attached.

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Or bikes.

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Just not motorcycle. A space marine could probably peddle pretty fast.

crisp heath
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I hear The white scars are entering the tour de France this year chat

winter vessel
crisp heath
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That thing w jhon cena racing on a bike but it's jagathai khan KEKW_ogryn

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I AM FAST

winter vessel
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Like to think somewhere during the race they enter areas where chaos cults or hostile xenos are hiding and they kept a bolt pistol on their bike to start shooting.

crisp heath
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you suck jagathai , you can't ride fast

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WHAT TF DID YOU SAY TO MEY

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laspistol ๐Ÿ’ฅ

near wasp
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I mean wasn't there a bunch of white scars who went traitor totally makes sense some of them would have there own warbands or such

opaque coyote
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Have we ever seen and T'au and Eldar interactions?

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Also more importantly, how much can an Avatar of Khaine

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Ignoring the worf effect

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Handle

opaque coyote
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VERY IMPORTANT-

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Like if both sides had zero plot armor

languid meadow
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between the craftworlders?

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idr?

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I know the bog standard vanilla drukhari interaction

arctic talon
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Ulthwe has helped the tau before

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Beilโ€™tan gave them the โ€œleave or we kill everyoneโ€

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Tau didnโ€™t leave and Beilโ€™tan killed everyone

tough haven
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I had an idea for a skitarii vanguard thatโ€™s also a blank as a character, thoughts?

opaque coyote
opaque coyote
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Even the tech priests

summer mural
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i find it so hard to accept skitari as human

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i can see it with tech preists

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do skitaari even have blood

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like do they have freetime

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where they chat with their skitaari bros about that last fight

crisp heath
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They would still have to have some blood right?

summer mural
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well they do

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because they are technically human

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I guess better question is what is the nature of their consciousness

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do they have imagination

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or do they like..think in code

crisp heath
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I do think there more logical than creative

languid meadow
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I think it 100% depends on the forge world they hail from/the tech-priest who is in command

summer mural
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also I know like kreigers and marines and stuff actually have sense of self preservation

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but do skitaari

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like kriegers are willing to die because of the collective guilt they bear and their zeal

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but are skitaari just like, no reaction at all when ordered to do last samurai charge

tough haven
crisp heath
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I think skiitari may have the emotional part of brain removed possibly?

languid meadow
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the it depends hammer

tough haven
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Like tech priests, despite appearing emotionless, they arenโ€™t

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Most just donโ€™t display it the same way as the laity

crisp heath
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There very witty

summer mural
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well techpreists Ik do

crisp heath
#

I like that about them

summer mural
#

because they have little bit more latitude in terms of authority, they express personality and opinions

tough haven
#

Skitarii can just be used as puppets when their tech priest decides

crisp heath
#

And they can also be v funny

tough haven
crisp heath
#

I might be thinking of the guy from rt

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Pascal

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He's awesome

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He isn't a skiitari is he

summer mural
#

i still gotta play rt KEKW_ogryn

tough haven
tough haven
summer mural
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also i straight up dunno if like sicarius infilitrators are human or no

tough haven
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Skitarii are the augmented foot soldiers of the Mechanicus

tough haven
crisp heath
#

Ah take everything I said and apply to magos pascal lmao

tough haven
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Otherwise theyโ€™d be silica animus

summer mural
#

literally commando droids from sw

tough haven
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They have something human in there

summer mural
#

well, I guess are skitarii more human than servitors

crisp heath
#

Could u guys imagine if we got to solo a mission as a eversore assasin

summer mural
#

servitors technically human too right

summer mural
#

they are faithful to how each assassin works, mostly

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eversor is suitably eversor like KEKW_ogryn

crisp heath
#

I'll check it out

summer mural
#

its grey knights vs nurgle

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gotta a lot of good stuff

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and like arbys in darktide, the assassinorum assassins join you

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culexus is CRAZY

tough haven
summer mural
#

and dominus can straight up disguise herself as a plague marine then blow a plaguemarine squad apart with neural shredder

summer mural
#

arbitrator is too long to type

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id really like admech type char in dt, mainly because dt leans into the whole personality and detail of the character lore

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like admech char banter would be great

tough haven
#

Fr

summer mural
#

also, I feel like on base level skitaari have all those tech upgrades for like aiming and comms and stuff, so they probably should be more competent than avg guardsman

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right

crisp heath
summer mural
crisp heath
#

Other skiitari negative

summer mural
#

arbites banter is great

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and its also funny

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" Refusal to assist an Arbitrator. MANDATED EDICT : GOOD KICKING"

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" Inefficient use of ammunition. MANDATED EDICT : BULLET SHIELD"

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" Mawkishness in the line of duty. MANDATED EDICT : PSYCHIC RECONSTRUCTION"

arctic talon
#

skitarii are fully sentient and sapient

arctic talon
summer mural
#

oh they are?

arctic talon
#

yeah

summer mural
#

thats quite elite yeah

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basically, schola levels

arctic talon
#

for martian standard skitarii

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as in the minis

summer mural
#

i dont really like sisters of battle that much

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i dont find their lore all that interesting

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also its just kinda random that they are that good based on faith and no augmentations

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or even relatively advanced tech

arctic talon
#

non mini skitarii vary wildly

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some are more elite then marines

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some might as well be servitors

crystal forum
#

forge worlds have thousands and thousands of those guys

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they're just a little better than guardsmen

celest dome
#

Depend on the subtype

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There are Skitarii that aren't much more than Guardsmen with control augments

storm jungle
#

They're better in the sense that they are normally all the "problems" you remove from a normal standing army.

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Aka morals, disagreements, equipment, etc lol

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literally just Yes Men, but even that depends on the forgeworld obviously

queen laurel
storm jungle
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and are essentially living beings

queen laurel
queen laurel
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like the imperium is so horrible that literal artificial intelligence is more expressive than their populace

winter vessel
surreal nest
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Idk if its just the paint job but I really dont like these models

summer mural
#

what is that

crisp heath
#

They look silly

surreal nest
summer mural
#

is that tzeentchian thing

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ah

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is that a rubric in there

surreal nest
#

No

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It feels very not thousand sons to me?

summer mural
#

"living statues"
just admit it 40k, you have AI, everywhere KEKW_ogryn

arctic talon
#

its dark mechanicum tech

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also they are AI

winter vessel
arctic talon
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they're built off of heresy era battle automata

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also they look way better

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in the Tsons color scheme

summer mural
#

did they really need a walking bird robot terminator

surreal nest
arctic talon
#

they look so good in Tsons colors

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lol

queen laurel
surreal nest
arctic talon
winter vessel
arctic talon
#

the scheme GW chose for them is odd as fuck

crisp heath
#

It looks like something that's supposed to be 40k but isn't lmao

arctic talon
#

also I do like that they share automata design language

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from every automata

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lol

arctic talon
#

off

surreal nest
#

Yeah I change my opinion entirely after seeing them painted like they're supposed to be tzeentch

arctic talon
#

okay I'm done posting them in Tsons colors

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TLDR I think GW made a big miss paint scheme wise

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rare for eavy metal

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but it happens lol

winter vessel
#

the gold could work but if there's like only a little of the signature blue it wouldn't work right so GW kinda missed the target

summer mural
#

damn

arctic talon
#

Its the fact its primarily gold and white

summer mural
#

that makes more sense

arctic talon
#

yeah Sekhtar are big

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lol

surreal nest
#

Tbh there are a lot of eavy metal paint schemes that just make the model look bad/boring

arctic talon
#

They're based on heresy era skitarii squad fire support automata

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which

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we don't have a mini for

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lmao

surreal nest
#

but i also just dont like the art style so im just being a biased guy rn

summer mural
#

i feel like they need a weapon in the other hand at that size

storm jungle
arctic talon
summer mural
#

is it like

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under the palm

arctic talon
#

yeah its like

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built into the hand

summer mural
#

or do they just magic tzeentch fire from their fingertips

arctic talon
#

you can kinda see the nozzle in this art

storm jungle
#

We basically got 0 lore on them so who knows

arctic talon
#

its an actual palm flamer

#

they grab shit and burn it alive

winter vessel
#

Sekhtar is probably the most streamlined design i've seen in regards to Automata

summer mural
#

i see

crisp heath
#

To me the art looks so much better

arctic talon
#

They're literally based on the Heresy fire support automata

#

from that one black book lol

surreal nest
#

Have we even got any new Tzneetch daemons this year????

arctic talon
#

Similar loadout

#

both are gaunt and creepy

crisp heath
#

If they could have made it closer to how it looks drawn I'd really like them

arctic talon
#

and have guns

arctic talon
#

maybe with Disciples of tzeentch in AoS

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

Or maybe we get plastic Aetaos'rau'keres

storm jungle
#

oh whoops wrong ping

arctic talon
#

lol

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

Tbf

#

vashtor is like

#

2 years old

#

he's very new

storm jungle
#

Meanwhile

surreal nest
#

I'll always forgive them because they gave us this model

storm jungle
#

thousand sons:

arctic talon
#

The new cursling is so good

storm jungle
#

๐Ÿ˜ญ

surreal nest
#

i think its the best GW model ever

arctic talon
#

Tsons are literally on suicide watch

#

lol

surreal nest
#

like straight up

arctic talon
#

ngl I would kill

winter vessel
surreal nest
storm jungle
arctic talon
#

for an armored disciples of tzeentch mini

#

Curslings are like Vilitch but generic

#

lol

storm jungle
#

yeah lmao

summer mural
#

wot

arctic talon
#

Vilitch was a WHFB character

#

whos the creepy dude growing out of the big dude

summer mural
#

why did they just copy vilitch, he had such a unique thing going

arctic talon
#

who was his older brother

#

AoS does this

#

lol

#

the unique power armor Ikit had is a semi generic thing now

surreal nest
summer mural
#

yeah but i thought theyd give him like 1 ~~ vilitch reborn~~ for aos type model, but its apparently generic units

surreal nest
#

I'm just recently getting into tksons and im pretty annoyed with the selection

arctic talon
#

yeah no Vilitch did not get reborn

#

for reasons

winter vessel
#

average conjoined twin

arctic talon
#

he lives on ig

summer mural
#

as generic units KEKW_ogryn

arctic talon
#

Yeah

#

which is fine

summer mural
#

pretty funny

arctic talon
#

generification is a decent fate

#

lol

#

but curselings in AoS get blessed with a "tretchlet"

#

from tzeentch

#

if you learn too much shit you get one

#

growing on you like a tumor

surreal nest
arctic talon
#

its like a little

#

advisor creature

#

but also it does try to kill you and take over your body

winter vessel
#

Tzeentchian Alexa

surreal nest
#

im so excited to get my warhammer plus miniature

#

they look great this year

arctic talon
#

the new AoS art of them is so cool lol

#

I want armored Disciples of tzeentch

#

something like the other Chaos factions "elite" unit

#

Like the Myrmidish painbringers, blightlords ect.

surreal nest
#

idk which one to get

shadow plover
#

the inquisitor

#

(that's what I got)

#

he has a freak with him

surreal nest
#

i love his weird robot thing

#

yeah exactly

#

he legit got an automated gimp

celest dome
arctic talon
#

the freeguild marshal is

#

very whatever

surreal nest
#

Yeah that inquisitor model is really hard to compete with. Some of GW's best work imo

arctic talon
#

the steel rook arch knight

#

know if this one was the AoS mini

#

that would be pain to pick

surreal nest
#

man those event miniatures make me mad theyre so beautiful

shadow plover
#

a friend of mine is making a Golden Deamon entry based on that model (it also has a horse)

#

it's very very good

surreal nest
#

this is my all time most wanted model ever

storm jungle
#

No drip

#

MID

arctic talon
#

I got the steel rook recast

shadow plover
#

that's just Hark

arctic talon
#

in pure chinesium(resin)

storm jungle
#

Yeah, harking you to NOT buy this model

surreal nest
#

But i mainly want him because the commisar model is just

#

terrible

storm jungle
#

HEY

shadow plover
#

the one that comes with the command squad is excellent

storm jungle
#

YOU SHOW THAT OLD MODEL RESPECT

surreal nest
#

what the fuck is this

storm jungle
#

oh that

#

LMAO

#

Yeah garbage

surreal nest
#

I kitbashed my own using the cadian castellan kit and im turning him into a diorama piece to replace lord solar

storm jungle
#

To give you an idea of how "bad" this model was, when it came out people were going like:

"Oh shit junior/cadet commissars? Based as fuck!"

#

then the presenter was like

#

"Heres our new commissar model"

summer mural
#

did dukane get lore when they introduced her

#

or is all her lore just mourningstar voicelines

storm jungle
#

a week or so later yeah

#

she has quite enough for a side characdter

surreal nest
#

cadian castellan model is actually so good and it has so many options

storm jungle
#

She also has submitted "reports" to command about the status of Atoma

#

they are very funny lol

summer mural
#

who is the legion fighting against the traitors we see at the start of missions at stuff

#

the 23rd?

#

the 53rd?

storm jungle
#

Yeah both of them

arctic talon
#

yeah the new mini is uh

summer mural
#

oh both

arctic talon
#

a normal comissar

storm jungle
#

as with any warzone theres multiple contingents

arctic talon
#

but like

#

a fresh out of schola comissar

shadow plover
#

This is the best Commissar model

storm jungle
#

it literally looks-

#

yeah like a cadet

storm jungle
summer mural
#

and apparently 23rd already has traitors, because they show up in havoc?

storm jungle
#

yeah uh

#

their stimm supplied got spiked

arctic talon
#

he's fine as fresh out of schola

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

a lot of people

#

convert the lord comissar

#

from the DKOK command squad

storm jungle
#

Fitting.

#

I feel like uh

#

we should kill the guy who made this model

#

just saying

summer mural
#

i wonder what happened to commissars in the 6th

storm jungle
surreal nest
#

so much better

summer mural
#

did wolfer just fart on them or something

storm jungle
#

with the tactic known as uh

#

lasbolt to the back of the skull

shadow plover
#

oh the Minka Lesk set that comes with that commissar I posted isn't in active production

#

lame

summer mural
#

also wolfers just a captain right, was he like the last surviving senior officer in the 6th

storm jungle
#

Nah

#

theres other commanders/captains

#

hes just the forefront figure

summer mural
#

but hes in charge of the legion or like

#

is there some commander who orders him around thats from the 6th

storm jungle
#

We dont really know, the implication is that he leads mostly through charisma/grandeur

#

because we get mentions of "Moebian Command" being a thing

#

so they very much got other head-goons

summer mural
#

ah yes

#

true

storm jungle
#

again the game has like a ton of lore

#

you just need to compile them

#

since its scattered across dialogue in the thousands lmao

surreal nest
#

i like the darktide story a lot idk how people always thought there was no story

shadow plover
#

Now I'm thinking if I should buy this set before it disappears from all the stores

surreal nest
#

probably just wanted like action cutscenes or some shit

arctic talon
#

Hell's last is so cool

#

I'm ngl

#

what a good BL mini

shadow plover
#

the issue it's 60โ‚ฌ for 5 minis

surreal nest
#

also lol at the cadian sculpt

shadow plover
#

as in you don't like the characters themselves or named characters in general

surreal nest
#

i think minka lesk is sick

shadow plover
#

well sure but you can just field them as their representative roles

storm jungle
surreal nest
#

i wish I didnt spam buy astra militarum i never would have bought fuck ass lord solar but hes required to play casually practically ๐Ÿ™

summer mural
#

is house mangolin just a random noble house or is like lord margrave from there

arctic talon
#

lol

#

named character

storm jungle
#

Margrave's are kinda too high to bother with us lol

shadow plover
#

I know, it still rough especially for an army I don't play pupper

summer mural
#

i wonder what margraves upto

#

i bet hes already been corrupted

storm jungle
#

what do rich people do IRL right now when entire countries are in turmoil with thousands dying

surreal nest
storm jungle
#

now imagine that in 40k now

#

lol

storm jungle
#

pretty much

shadow plover
#

Trench Crusade mostly lately, but 40k, HH, KT, LI and AT on top of it

summer mural
#

the lore im most interested in for the game is the twin city shit

#

like whats GOING ON IN THE OTHER HIVE CITY

surreal nest
storm jungle
#

ITS A DUMB HANGING THREAD

#

We dont know ๐Ÿ˜”

shadow plover
#

I've got the rules and models for Necromunda but haven't played it

crisp heath
#

No one asked but I really like flames of war, warmachine , hordes and malifaux

#

Malifaux doesn't use dice , it's interesting

#

You have a pack of cards

#

Like playing cards

shadow plover
#

Malifaux seems neat but none of the models really sell it for me

#

pretty much the same issue with the rest of the games you mentioned as well pupper

#

I'm foremost a painter rather than a player really

opaque coyote
#

Big guy

#

I have wanted to play the tabletop but the figurines are kinda expensive

crisp heath
#

I think there more detailed than alot of gws stuff , it must be because it's 1 pose models

opaque coyote
#

Like as somebody who has a fucking gaming PC, this shit is

#

Fucking wild

#

God

crisp heath
#

It's way cheaper too lmao

shadow plover
#

more detail isn't necessary good, it gets very tiring to paint quickly

#

or uninteresting

surreal nest
shadow plover
#

like all extra gribblies on everything sucks, that's the main issue on almost all 3rd party 3d modeller kits for warhammer as well

#

gotta add all that little detail to everything to make the paintjob miserable

crisp heath
#

The models are so nice imo

shadow plover
opaque coyote
shadow plover
#

with ultras and necrons

opaque coyote
#

Smh

surreal nest
#

Doing good in both aspects is insane

opaque coyote
#

You don't like spending hours trying to still your hands??

shadow plover
#

I mean curly decals are fine if they're on a flat surface, if the detail is sculpted it sucks most of the time

opaque coyote
#

Shaky hands are a problem for me

crisp heath
#

Plus it's steampunk which is like the best setting

surreal nest
#

I love new cadians! Please waiter, MORE BAGS! MORE BAGS!

summer mural
#

lol

opaque coyote
#

Uh

#

Up?

#

Like

shadow plover
#

Up?

summer mural
#

morrows legend growing over the course of the game into mythical proportions is one of the best things about the banter

surreal nest
#

I love the new cadian models but please bro not every model needs more pouches than a horde of kangaroo I dont even know what that means im just annoyed thinking of it

opaque coyote
#

God dammit why did I forget the word this would make things so much easier rn

shadow plover
crisp heath
dusky beacon
#

I have absolutely no idea what color T'au eyes are supposed to be

shadow plover
#

not quite, GW has a good balance with detail and paintability (most of the time)

crisp heath
#

Some of the historical armies take people years to paint

opaque coyote
#

Where it's sort of above the rest of the surface

#

I fucking forgot the word for it

shadow plover
#

oh okay, so sculpted detail

opaque coyote
#

Yeah

#

Hate that shit

#

It sucks

shadow plover
#

yeah most of the time it's just unnecessary

#

or overdone

summer mural
#

she got some pawa

opaque coyote
#

So that it's easier to paint inside

#

Idk

#

Pain

crisp heath
#

Iv seen 15 mm napleonic armies painted w detail in mind and they look stunning , imagine painting 2000 little 15mm men Sitgryn

shadow plover
#

that works for some applications but some do benefit from the sculpted detail as well. Sculptors really need to find a nice balance between the two

#

I love my 8mm Legion Imperialis men

crisp heath
#

Some games even go lower

arctic talon
#

only historicals

#

below 8mm lol

#

and even then

#

I cannot think of a single popular historical under 8mm

crisp heath
#

NY freind had the old school apocalypse game w the titans

arctic talon
#

Epic is 8mm

crisp heath
arctic talon
#

Oh

#

my bad

#

lol

crisp heath
#

Np

summer mural
#

"The 53rd Steelheads are proud soldiers, impeccable in their loyalty. Moreover, as I need not remind you, they are Branx-born. Like their birth world, they are young and aspirational. Atoma Prime has ruled the Domain for too long. It has grown fat and lazy, and slumped into privileged corruption. How else can one explain the gross deviation of their infamous 6th? Atoma, and the Lord Margrave, has allowed this treason to breed. Yes, Atoma must be freed and delivered. Yes, the traitors must be expunged without delay. But beyond that, I believe that the ancient hive must be soundly purged. The uprising must be put down and the enemy eradicated, but the soil from which this infamy sprang must also be cleansed with fire."

Okay , I like Dukane more now

#

much more

arctic talon
#

ngl

#

wtf happened to the 53rd's commander

#

or is Dukane just their commander

#

bcs usually comissars don't take a command role

summer mural
#

its a mystery according to the wiki, how dukane got to be in charge of the whole regiment

arctic talon
#

Im gona assume the old commander bit it

summer mural
#

and it does mention commissars arent supposed to be, but she is in fact in charge of the whole regiment

arctic talon
#

she either "promoted" herself and was popular/threatening enough

#

the general/colonel bit it

#

or the regiment was founded with a comissar at its command

#

which is rare but happens

crisp heath
#

If a person in a regiment had enough support from fellow soldiers could they do what morrow done and get away w it depending on circumstances?

arctic talon
#

Yes

#

Especially a comissar

summer mural
# arctic talon Im gona assume the old commander bit it

Commissars rarely assume direct command of a regiment and the circumstances by which Commissar Dukane came to head up the 53rd remain shrouded in mystery - or are at least snarled up in the processes of the Imperiumโ€™s infamous bureaucracy. However, it is plain that she enjoys the full confidence of the sectors lord militant, and has swiftly moved to assume immediate control of the Atoman warzone, masterminding aggressive deployments by the 53rd and rallying the winnowed survivors of the Moebian 21st - until now, the only official Astra Militarum presence in Tertium.

arctic talon
#

comissars got riz

arctic talon
crisp heath
#

Tbf

surreal nest
#

that's actually so sick what

crisp heath
#

The guy was a cunt

surreal nest
#

Where can I read about this darktide lore??? ive never even heard of this

crisp heath
#

Nit all commisar are like that

shadow plover
#

that's from the patch prior Arbites

arctic talon
#

morrows cossmiar was a massive prick

#

lol

#

even before the khorney

summer mural
#

morrows gonna be one of all the time great human guardsmen by the end of the game, hes already a legend KEKW_ogryn

arctic talon
#

shit

celest dome
#

I think Dukane got control of the regiment by playing with the Margrave

crisp heath
#

You can just watxh a YouTube video that pits them in order tho

#

Easier to follow

surreal nest
#

oh that explains why I haven't heard of it

#

I dont play that shit!

crisp heath
#

Basically it's just about morrow and Zola and the ship mistress before the Inquisition brings them in

#

Iirc

surreal nest
#

Thanks for letting me know to scour up some youtube vids tho i appreciate that. on it rn

summer mural
#

I believe we face an enemy driven by disdain, by privation, and by idolatry, and an enemy that has been allowed to breed thanks to the venal weakness of a hive and a ruling society that has fallen prey to its own luxuriating entitlement. I have declared to Rannick that the Steelheads are born of greater mettle, and thus can be fully trusted, for they are not prey to such infantile whimsy.- Dukane just keeps roasting tertiums leadership

shadow plover
#

for a moment I thought you wrote that and was like damn this dude is well articulated

summer mural
#

her pov is like " you baboons on your planet let this happen because you're corrupt pepegas, and me and the bois are gonna burn down the hive because of it" KEKW_ogryn

shadow plover
#

real

summer mural
#

also

#

she makes a very good argument in her third commissar report

#

about the corruption of the moebian 6th

#

i dont wanna post the whole thing its kinda big

#

also

#

in the report after that she just flames tf out of lord margrave

#

The existence and operation of this cult, known as the Admonition, offers proof of my suspicions that corruption has been allowed to brew in Tertium for some considerable age. The ruling powers including, I am sure, the Lord Margrave himself, our Lord Moebian, have allowed this delinquency to fester, either through weakness or indolent ignorance. Such are the vile teachings and preachings of these heretics, it seems to me no wonder that battle-weary troops, such as the 6th, having been worn down by thankless tours on the Fringe Worlds, are rendered helpless and susceptible to toxic ideas.

opaque coyote
#

bad

summer mural
#

you should see her analysis about why the moebian 6th fell prey to corruption

#

its an interesting argument

#

I speculate that the 6th have been kept too close to home. The rulers of Tertium saw fit to deploy them to their own Fringe Worlds, which have been a hotbed of petty war for centuries. They have not been founded and sent further abroad across the Domain or the wider Imperium beyond as regulations describe.

In this, I declare, a fundamental principle of the Astra Militarum has been broken. Worlds raise men to fight in distant wars, not in their own backyards, thus where and when the Imperial Guard fights is merely a matter of location. A guardsman may fight upon a world with valour and clarity for he has no particular association or sentiment for that place. This distancing allows him to fix his focus - and his loyalty - on the light of the Throne, above all, and the standard of the Imperium.

By fighting close to home, and allowing troops to return to their own world for resupply between tours, the 6th have bred a familiarity akin to nostalgia. They fight for Atoma, and their own people, against the benevolent mastery of the Imperium, rather than the greater and grander good of the Imperium as a whole. This has allowed for the development of a dangerously inward-looking aberration, a local introspection, that dwells upon small details and grievances rather than the wider scope of Imperial virtue, and thus gnaws away at discipline and loyalty like acid or some wasting disease. It is a condemnable affliction of attitude.

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I am pleased, of course, to remind my lords that the Steelheads are in no such wise affected, given that they were founded on proud Branx and now fight on soil, and in streets, that carry no familiarity or attachment for them. So too myself, born and raised on Thracian Primaris so far away, have no personal connection to this location. Indeed, even the Inquisitorial warband, for all its faults, was in the majority bred in diverse other parts, and comes to this war without preconception. Where the 6th has fallen into a miserable trap of its own affections, we can remain clear-sighted to get the job done. Our sentiment, fierce and strong, lies with the Imperium and our sworn devotion. Around that flag, we are able to rally without fault or favour. Atoma means nothing to us except as a mark of honour.

opaque coyote
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How most people were loyal to their states

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Rather than the whole country

summer mural
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yeah

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its different because they have the argument available of fighing literally for home soil

opaque coyote
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Although I don't think this is all of it for sure.

Honestly, the 6th also just got plain shafted... on purpose.

storm jungle
barren nimbus
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not sure this is the right channel, but ive played darktide for a god awful amount of time...but im pretty sure ive never seen this before in habdraco

opaque coyote
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It's also why civil wars are often considered cruel

summer mural
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yep, she says they kept coming back to resupply, and lost the distancing needed to fix their focus and loyalty on the nature of the job

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instead they kept fighting and were kept in proximity to all the corruption that sent them out there again and again

storm jungle
opaque coyote
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It's a classic dilemma

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Coming home to people unaware of what's truly going on

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It must sting even more that it's next door basically

summer mural
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yeah so the moebian 6th basically turned into rambo from first blood, spurred on by nurgle KEKW_ogryn

barren nimbus
opaque coyote
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It's honestly an interesting dilemma

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Now then, time to murder them all

storm jungle
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my favorite is the bodyguard ogryn's reaction

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"Hm. Died hard."

barren nimbus
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ahaha

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ty for the information!

storm jungle
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no worries

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I THINK they actually still have those reactions when you look at them

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it can just get buried by the mission voice-over dialogue

opaque coyote
storm jungle
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Lmao its more like

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"YEAH THERES THE PHAGE TREE LADS."