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its like a 60 hour week
it puts me 6 months ahead on graduating though
so gotta bite the bullet
im out the other side though we're done with new regular reactions its just like 5 days of biochem and the final
my reaction index is legitimately something like 90-100 reactions from this class lol
and you need basically none of it when you actually get into a lab
i know the mechanisms for most of them at least well enough to work them out if i need them, not going to use that for sure lol
it's like engineering except with engineering you actually might use the general concepts you learned
knowing your reactions from ochem is good for synthesis i guess but you can always reference stuff
and you have to for real reactions
i dont like memorization
Because each lab will have their own processes and standards and expect you to learn their methodology book
Actually not even fully expect you to learn it, just follow it
i enjoyed writing procedures for a while
small companies are great for learning the entire process
i like designing procedures
My boss still consults the manual before doing her tests half the time
i would too! thats how you get consistent data
data collection is what i do
and even when you're being audited by inspectors we're allowed to have the Method book out and read it while being questioned about the process
designing synthesis pathways is a whole thing but memorization wont be good enough anyway because you need to know like, solubilities and boiling points and stuff
External auditors from UKAS
i enjoy when you learn through processes
actually understanding what something is for
come up with great pathway
one of your molecules completely evaporates the first time you apply heat
also fuck the merck index
standardize your shit
i have never heard of inspections that demand knowledge of the company manufacturing procedures
at least none that are external
what motherfucker put "soluble in 70 parts water" in the same entry as "slightly soluble in ether"
that's usually for managers
It's not manufacturing, we're testing products from other companies for nutritional information. They're auditing that our methods, premises, equipment, training etc is sufficient to be an Accredited lab
(compliance auditing)
why are you supposed to know it by heart?
the company procedure is supposed to be the thing audited no?
larmoth says she doesnt need to know it by heart
I meant yea to seythi
she just has to be able to explain it from the method document
Yea we're allowed to have the manual and consult it while being observed
i guess yeah it makes sense they'd just have you do it instead of making you explain lol
Like testing for SO2 for example, the auditor will observe me running the test and will also ask questions about the process, for which I can consult the Method
Or they can ask to me explain why certain things are done etc
oh so they actually watch you do it
Yea
okay that makes sense
you can reference the manual while you're working normally so it would be crazy for you not to be able to while being inspected
They will watch and ask questions
they're just making sure your part of the chain is being followed
Yea they won't Audit everything, they will just have a list of 3/4 tests that they will audit each year
usually that would be by observing operators where i've been
part of why its insane we have to memorize all these reactions for tests
This year it was PH, Sugar, Fats and Proteins that were being audited.
like i can look up that i need phenol selenium halide if i need to make an alpha-beta unsaturated complex on the less substituted side of a ketone
there's some bullshit idea about it teaching you the basics so you can easily return to them when needed
i get knowing the reactions but like, we have to memorize so many reagents and shit lol
yeah
But our lab was also seeking accreditation for Active Water testing, which was assigned to me to handle after only being there a few months. It was much more stressful than the Audit
ok like half of the reagents are "aqueous acid" and like a third of them are "aqueous base" but still
is it even important to know them all by name if you understand what an aqueus acid is
im exaggerating a lot lol
Audit is basically renewing your license while earning Accreditation is doing it for the first time and much harder
there are many things that can perform most of the reactions but you have to be able to describe the class of chemical or give an example
my college math teacher was really adamant about teaching math as a method and not as a strict guideline
he would also hate when i referred to the axis by X and Y lol
a lot of them have HX as a reagent which is any hydrohalide acid besides hydrofluoric
ye i get that
but also like, knowing the difference between NaBH4 and LiAlH4 as reducers is important
So for that it was basically me and two auditors alone for an entire day
Because it wasn't just being tested on what to do, but why you're doing it and how the process works
I'm the only one that's been trained to operate the machine, so had to be me.
oof
ok wait are you a chemist or a technician
what even is active water testing
a good chunk of chemistry is operating very expensive machines
My job title is Lab Technician, but I'm a Chemist
every chemist i've seen doesn't touch anything exept their laptop
like an engineer
that's odd
theres like a trillion sub-fields of chemistry
there's also many technical degrees in chemistry
theres people that work in compounding pharmacies and actually synthesize drugs for patients on order and stuff
you wouldn't expect the pharmacist to be handling the drugs themselves
no its a specialist job usually at a specialist pharmacy
It's basically testing for the unbound water within a product, it's mostly needed to know for the stability of the product and helps predict what kind of bacteria will grow on it
and the job title i think is usually pharmaceutical chemist
So it's useful for determining Shelf life
most of what they do is make alternate formats of drugs or weird dosages though
i have a technical degree. i know for a fact that chemists and engineers dont make good technicians
like i said its subfields
theres chemists that only do theory plugging away on chemdraw and a calculator
Just the way it is here for some reason, we also have a Microbiology lab and they're also Lab technicians while being Microbiologists
theres chemists that actively do lab work constantly
see that's just a symptom of the lack of technical degrees in the job market
lab technician is kinda a general job title for "actually works in the labs" in a lot of places
it's a shame really
you're in a lab and you do techniques you're a laboratory technician
i know IBM uses actual physicists to maintain their laser machines where i was at
which is wild to me
oftentimes theres so much specialist knowledge that goes into operation that having the job split doesnt make sense
again i would know i've done both sides a bit
was treated as an engineer somewhere and treated as a pure technician in another place
at least in the US you get a chemistry degree regardless of what kind of chemistry you're ending up doing
i hated the experience as a technician with no real control in the processes lol
being treated like a robot
i guess i see what you're saying?
yeah a bachelors in chemistry
bachelors are broad like that
Ideally we'd have a coworker who isn't a Lab Tech to handle washing up and food processing but we don't have that currently. So we're having to handle that ontop of the testing.
but at least for chemistry a lot of the time you need the education to even understand the machines and their output at all
reading NMR results is an art
if it's like engineering then you barely get to touch machines in uni
nah we get really hands on
Jeez when I had to map the graph results for a Fatty acid profile for the first time
it's mostly theory which is not directly applicable to lab settings
but unis are different
i ran an IR spectrometer literally yesterday
after performing an aldol condensation at microscale
i had a whole class where i used a spectrometer every week
labs almost every day
it's drilled into you
trash, rubbish
im lucky that im so good at using machines naturally
apparently it specifically refers to slag often
i had that 30 year old machine working like a charm
Doesn't help that our Gas chromatographer is 300 years old and shuts itself down half the time because it thinks the gas has stopped when the gas intake is fine.
my school had an electron microscope that saw the birth of the universe
it had those big plastic buttons you'd see in alien
i worked in a fluid dynamic lab one summer a long time ago (i posted the projectile i think lol) and they had machines running on DOS
i wonder if anyone has gotten around to upgrading that lol
odds are no
i was a lab tech at a big uni for an internship
Thankfully our computer system is up to date, but yea some of our equipment is still in use from when the lab opened
the same people work on moneymaking projects so the big gun doesnt get the love it should
i had to do inventory for stuff that didn't even have labels
there was wood panneling on some
like a 70's station wagon
turns out ethylene cracking shockwave reactors bring in funding as does offering reentry condition testing
beautiful
and i had to dig up the maintenance book for a 40 year old machine
its a homestarism but i describe stuff devices as being "beige enough" sometimes lol
to figure out how to change the internal addresse
the booklet had a single image of disassembling and it had the printed quality of diarrhea
my best experience was being a lab tech for students in their 4th year of their physics engineering degrees
they didn't know how to orient a polarized capacitor
wild
Lab tech for students?
yeah like the guy helping the lab work
one of those pre made labs
that students have to run through
Oh okay
but this was a very theory focused school and prestigious
making the dilutions and shit
so they didn't know shit
more like using a impedance meter
something fairly simple
there was some sort of light based lab that i didn't get to see much because apparently the professor intentionally broke the machine so the school would buy a new one
lmao
Here that would be more of a Lab assistant than a Lab technician
all the equipment was barely functional so understandable
yeah lab assistant
idk it wasnt really my main job
it was an internship
Yea, our place should have a lab assistant, but they just don't really want to hire one
where you work?
In a Food Lab, it's quite a small place
you should not be a technician at all
usually that means lower salary
which is bull
It's how labs work here, my route of progression is Lab supervisor and then Lab manager
yeah that's still lab technician territory
you'll just be managing other technicians
which is actual hell
i'd try to get as far away from the lab as possible if i had a bachelors
No that's how labs work here
do you design the lab procedures
No
so you just follow them
Yes
that's below your education just saying
tbf the amount of people going through uni has pushed up the educational requirements for a lot of things, bachelors is entry level for a lot of stuff including technician roles now
it's just a lack of technical degrees compared to bachelors
which is understandable since you're still being paid more with a bachelors for the same technical job
god i hate it
...yeah
i was literally teaching a new engineer things at my last job but people kept telling me to shut up and be a tool like the ground floor operators
god that was shit
fuck those assholes
engineers deserve the stereotypes
This is what happens when we skimp out on things like
Philosophy, arts, and how to not be an asshole

I swear a lot of our problems are due to people being like
"Wait... You mean that other people matter??"
Or being too late into life to even care about starting to care
Although in my opinion, I think we should ban any label of a bill that they're doing it
"for the kids"
"We should ban naughty games! For the kids!"
Like bro think of something else at least
I mean if it's talking about schools and shit. Then obviously it's for the kids.
You don't need to say it.
Kids that are raised properly will know it is a video game and that the bad things in them are bad
Kids that are raised improperly will act out with or without the bad things in video games
Such a useless boomer talking point
Nah nah bro
I redownloaded Darktide on my new pc
I instantly had the urge to purge anybody that had a "mutation"

"bro I got a mole right here, isn't that coo-"
"MUTATION!" BLAM BLAM BLAM
There should be mandatory emotional intelligence classes at every one of three different school stages
Ah but that would require the school system to be more funded and developed to execute effectively
Might weed out some psychopaths that aren't good at hiding
Otherwise the teachers would just put on pre-made powerpoints and be like those compassion-blank therapists
You see. That would also require people to not shout that you're indoctrinating their children.
Despite the fact that technically every piece of education is indoctrination
Education tends to make people lean left
That's why cultures are different
Tbf there are exceptions
I remember that there is a guy who is a brain surgeon. Revolutionary in his field and made multiple medical advancements. I even think he did the first separation of conjoined twins?
Ofc, that's why I say "tends"
He also believes that the Earth is flat

What would you call this?
Idiot Savant?
It's like having 1 int in Fallout New Vegas but having 100 in medicine and science
Which as a side note, is fucking funny
"Yes, I believe that Caesar has a brain tumor. I can perform surgery that can easily repair it."
after saving Caesar
"ICE CREAM!!!"
I once made a one int female courier.
...she worked for the Legion. I think you can tell why and how she's one int.
I love that the game throws shade at you if you side with the Legion as a female courier, especially with high karma in the end cutscene
"this fucking idiot just betrayed herself twice"
yea someone in my class went on to work at NASA and reconnecting later they were wholly into the Pyramids were built by extradimensional beings as a power conduit to power the hyper advanced Atlantean civilization
It is very fucking funny
... fantastic
Okay but when you think about it
they werent even in rocketry they were in life support
The lizards behind the scenes are going hard on drilling oil and using fossil fuels
Which will raise sea levels
Bringing about Atlantean society

I mean more importantly, wouldn't it be closer to the oceans if it was a power conduit for an Atlantean civilization?
Since they
Live in the sea
Egypt is only close to the Mediterranean Sea
Why am I trying to apply logic to a crazy conspiracy theory
...
Eh world building let's goo
I can answer that
Sobek lives in Egypt so it's a long term power grab by him
see the pyramids were meant to direct the energy to the atlanteans moon base where they mined helium 3 and retransported it to atlantis
As a side note, it's why Inside Job was one of my favorite shows.
Actually tries to give reasoning and worldbuilding for the many conspiracy theories.
like it was so whacko I tried to find the origin of the conspiracy theory
and I got nothing
"Why is Global warming not dealt with effectively? They're trying to make the temperature higher for the Lizard people to live comfortably."
(funnily enough those types also oppose any attempts to mitigate global warming)
"Amazon Rainforest fire? Meant to prevent living tree people from killing us all."
It's not real dude
"The Titanic? Atlantean incident."
my favorite conspiracy theorists to mess with are flat earthers
You saying that in the pov for a conspiracist right?
just bring up the moon
And DON'T say ice caps melting or increased natural disaster frequency or highest Summer highs record breaking every year
flew a little too close to the sun there
...y'know honestly it would be funny if like
The first rocketship goes up
Immediately hits the skybox invisible wall or something
And then falls down
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Honestly from all these conspiracy theories. Most of them I'm like
"But why would they actually hide it? What's the fucking point?"
Like why would you hide that the Earth is flat? Why make everything out of false math? That just makes everything harder.
I think the only one that... actually has a bit of reasoning behind it is "Fake Moon landing".
there was a bit I remember from one of the mitchell and webb sketches about moon landing conspiracies
It sucks, there's a ton of holes, their worldbuilding is shit
I feel like I should remind you we're in the 40k lore chat
Still somehow more logically consistent somehow

SOMEHOW
Yeah true but it's funny to dog on 40k writers
Fair
'well we can save money by not going to the moon by faking it the largest cost is the giant rocket'
'well we're still going to have to make a giant rocket, what are we gonna point to when people ask how we got to the moon, oh in this giant rocket'
oh right that thing that took 400,000 people to make happen and yet not one has ever stepped forward to suggest it was actually fake
Flat earth theory is my favorite
Yeah not saying that conspiracy is true at all. Just that
"Yeah there would be some type of motive if this was theoretically true."
Vs most others where I'm just like
"Why would they even do this?"
Followed by hollow earth theory
matrix theories are so boring
Proof of the theory
every tech billionaire believes it, find a new bit
"Bro if it is a simulation. Please let me pay my rent "

cryptids are the fun ones
i know, i just find it amazing that they take lack of proof as proof of how well hidden it is 
Cryptids and like local legend monsters are fun.
The world being a simulation makes hackers the highest form of life and I find that insulting on a philosophical level
I mean honestly we might not be real
Like we might just be code tied to it.
In which case the simulation might be our reality anyways
So it doesn't matter
I still find it insulting
I just find it funny
Because even if it a simulation
...
The fuck are we even supposed to do?
Maybe we could plan to break out but we ain't gonna do that now

Nah. Maybe the simulation has already broken down.
Never understood the explanation for people actually dying
Or is in the process of breaking down.
Like I know that the brain can fool us. Placebo is a thing
Pretty sure all the main characters murder hundreds of people
The simulation being democracy or capitalism.
there was a gary busey reality show where he goes on a cryptid hunt with a bigfoot guy and an aliens guy and slowly starts prodding them both to the point where the alien guy fist fights the bigfoot guy over who's conspiracy is more true
That's essentially the explanation.
But I still find it to be stupid.
...even though the matrix is stupid fun at the end of the day
But stupid in a bad way
If that makes any sense
it's funny how a lot of conspiracy drivel is derived from pop culture
yea great job it's so well hidden that one of the largest movies of its time was created about it
No idea where the fuck chem trails come from
If death isn't possible in the simulation then we can't argue that we're locked unknowingly inside one
I think chem trails comes from airborne pesticides
part of chem trails is boomer slop where they grew up with smog infested skies so it looks 'different/wrong' now because global initiatives to cut smog and acid rain actually worked
but no chemtrails did it
geo engineering now
Except it's not for pest control but Mind control oOoOoOo
Tbf Geo engineering is an actual thing that's being planned
In case if we really fuck up
We will
I mean for some of the rich types theyve already written it off and are trying to figure out how to rule/survive the collapse
They're assuming that people won't try to do a raid party into their bunkers to steal their shit btw

there was a pretty famous article about a psychologist that had those types as clients
Or just
and their fears were all 'how do I stop my armed security from killing me and taking my bunker when we evacuate'
Die before they can get there
Easy
You can't
L O
instead of, well you got a lot of power and influence now why not use that to stop a collapse you fear
and they were all like 'nah Im working on nerve staplers and bomb collars'
Any assumptions that your servants and security guards wouldn't immediately kill you is foolish
That sounds like incentive to kill you
Even before the apocalypse
I mean that boston dynamics dog's OG specs called for it to be able to carry a fully loaded M240
this was back in design not even when it was produced
FPV drones are more effective
So crazy how close to the truth Black Ops 2 was with modern war
Nah, still a lot of exaggeration.
True, I meant moreso that at least some of it came true
Silly idea: CSM get new bikers models, but it's just a CSM on a pedal tricycle with guns attached.
Or bikes.
Just not motorcycle. A space marine could probably peddle pretty fast.
I hear The white scars are entering the tour de France this year chat
White Scars and their Successors all competing. lol
Like to think somewhere during the race they enter areas where chaos cults or hostile xenos are hiding and they kept a bolt pistol on their bike to start shooting.
I mean wasn't there a bunch of white scars who went traitor totally makes sense some of them would have there own warbands or such
Have we ever seen and T'au and Eldar interactions?
Also more importantly, how much can an Avatar of Khaine
Ignoring the worf effect
Handle
THIS BTW
VERY IMPORTANT-
Like if both sides had zero plot armor
between the craftworlders?
idr?
I know the bog standard vanilla drukhari interaction
Yes, Beilโtan slaughtered a few tau worlds
Ulthwe has helped the tau before
Beilโtan gave them the โleave or we kill everyoneโ
Tau didnโt leave and Beilโtan killed everyone
The Exodite
I had an idea for a skitarii vanguard thatโs also a blank as a character, thoughts?
Beil'tan moment
Have everyone think he's ugly despite replacing his face with machinery
Even the tech priests

i find it so hard to accept skitari as human
i can see it with tech preists
do skitaari even have blood
like do they have freetime
where they chat with their skitaari bros about that last fight
They would still have to have some blood right?
well they do
because they are technically human
I guess better question is what is the nature of their consciousness
do they have imagination
or do they like..think in code
I do think there more logical than creative
I think it 100% depends on the forge world they hail from/the tech-priest who is in command
also I know like kreigers and marines and stuff actually have sense of self preservation
but do skitaari
like kriegers are willing to die because of the collective guilt they bear and their zeal
but are skitaari just like, no reaction at all when ordered to do last samurai charge
Yes, and mostly prayer and toil
I think skiitari may have the emotional part of brain removed possibly?
the it depends hammer
Skitarii vary but I believe theyโre often portrayed as having mostly human range of emotion when not directly controlled
Like tech priests, despite appearing emotionless, they arenโt
Most just donโt display it the same way as the laity
There very witty
well techpreists Ik do
I like that about them
because they have little bit more latitude in terms of authority, they express personality and opinions
Skitarii can just be used as puppets when their tech priest decides
And they can also be v funny
Skitarii do whenever they arenโt under direct control or imperatives
I might be thinking of the guy from rt
Pascal
He's awesome
He isn't a skiitari is he
i still gotta play rt 
I also want them to fervently believe in the omnissiah but can never feel his presence like his peers, due to being a blank
Nope, magos
also i straight up dunno if like sicarius infilitrators are human or no
Skitarii are the augmented foot soldiers of the Mechanicus
They are by technicality
Ah take everything I said and apply to magos pascal lmao
Otherwise theyโd be silica animus
they look like the most robot robots out there 
literally commando droids from sw
Yea but they are technically human
They have something human in there
well, I guess are skitarii more human than servitors
Could u guys imagine if we got to solo a mission as a eversore assasin
servitors technically human too right
you should play chaosgate, its actually a fun game, and more importantly, it has the best rendition of assassinorum assassins in a game ive seen so far
they are faithful to how each assassin works, mostly
eversor is suitably eversor like 
I'll check it out
its grey knights vs nurgle
gotta a lot of good stuff
and like arbys in darktide, the assassinorum assassins join you
culexus is CRAZY
Depends on the definition, they have more independent thought
and dominus can straight up disguise herself as a plague marine then blow a plaguemarine squad apart with neural shredder

arbitrator is too long to type
id really like admech type char in dt, mainly because dt leans into the whole personality and detail of the character lore
like admech char banter would be great
Fr
also, I feel like on base level skitaari have all those tech upgrades for like aiming and comms and stuff, so they probably should be more competent than avg guardsman
right

Other skiitari negative
arbites banter is great
and its also funny
" Refusal to assist an Arbitrator. MANDATED EDICT : GOOD KICKING"
" Inefficient use of ammunition. MANDATED EDICT : BULLET SHIELD"
" Mawkishness in the line of duty. MANDATED EDICT : PSYCHIC RECONSTRUCTION"
Yes
skitarii are fully sentient and sapient
they are they're considered equals to the tempestus scions and sisters of battle
oh they are?
yeah
i dont really like sisters of battle that much
i dont find their lore all that interesting
also its just kinda random that they are that good based on faith and no augmentations
or even relatively advanced tech
non mini skitarii vary wildly
some are more elite then marines
some might as well be servitors
aint no fucking way
forge worlds have thousands and thousands of those guys
they're just a little better than guardsmen
Depend on the subtype
There are Skitarii that aren't much more than Guardsmen with control augments
They're better in the sense that they are normally all the "problems" you remove from a normal standing army.
Aka morals, disagreements, equipment, etc lol
literally just Yes Men, but even that depends on the forgeworld obviously
yeah some skiitaris have less emotional capability than an iron kin
thats not saying much considering Ironkin are basically made like they are actual dwarves
and are essentially living beings

yeah but here's the thing it's very funny
like the imperium is so horrible that literal artificial intelligence is more expressive than their populace
oh hey, Columbo
Idk if its just the paint job but I really dont like these models
what is that
They look silly
Thousand sons new unit
No
It feels very not thousand sons to me?
"living statues"
just admit it 40k, you have AI, everywhere 
the lack of colors is throwing me off, were it not for the signature color scheme i would've assumed it would be Eldar related cause of the bone white paint
they're built off of heresy era battle automata
also they look way better
in the Tsons color scheme
did they really need a walking bird robot terminator
Yeah I legit think its just the color choice
good fire support
they look so good in Tsons colors
lol
sekhetar robots
ok yeah
oh that looks better
It looks like something that's supposed to be 40k but isn't lmao
tbf all the mechanicum/admech battle automata look of
off
Yeah I change my opinion entirely after seeing them painted like they're supposed to be tzeentch
okay I'm done posting them in Tsons colors
TLDR I think GW made a big miss paint scheme wise
rare for eavy metal
but it happens lol
the gold could work but if there's like only a little of the signature blue it wouldn't work right so GW kinda missed the target
Its the fact its primarily gold and white
that makes more sense
Tbh there are a lot of eavy metal paint schemes that just make the model look bad/boring
They're based on heresy era skitarii squad fire support automata
which
we don't have a mini for
lmao
but i also just dont like the art style so im just being a biased guy rn
i feel like they need a weapon in the other hand at that size
Legit insane how fucking good they look with the actual T-Sons color schemes jesus
the other hand has an integrated flamer
or do they just magic tzeentch fire from their fingertips
you can kinda see the nozzle in this art
We basically got 0 lore on them so who knows
Sekhtar is probably the most streamlined design i've seen in regards to Automata
i see
To me the art looks so much better
They're literally based on the Heresy fire support automata
from that one black book lol
Have we even got any new Tzneetch daemons this year????
If they could have made it closer to how it looks drawn I'd really like them
and have guns
No
maybe with Disciples of tzeentch in AoS
"Newest" daemons
Or maybe we get plastic Aetaos'rau'keres
oh whoops wrong ping
lol

Meanwhile
I'll always forgive them because they gave us this model
thousand sons:
The new cursling is so good
๐ญ
i think its the best GW model ever
like straight up
ngl I would kill
whats this one called again?
the cursling
Not-Vilitch
for an armored disciples of tzeentch mini
Curslings are like Vilitch but generic
lol
yeah lmao
wot
why did they just copy vilitch, he had such a unique thing going
who was his older brother
AoS does this
lol
the unique power armor Ikit had is a semi generic thing now
yeah it's kinda lame, at least infernal master is a god tier model
yeah but i thought theyd give him like 1 ~~ vilitch reborn~~ for aos type model, but its apparently generic units
I'm just recently getting into tksons and im pretty annoyed with the selection
average conjoined twin
he lives on ig
as generic units 
pretty funny
generification is a decent fate
lol
but curselings in AoS get blessed with a "tretchlet"
from tzeentch
if you learn too much shit you get one
growing on you like a tumor
i wanna paint him so bad but i cannot glaze or blend for shit
its like a little
advisor creature
but also it does try to kill you and take over your body
Tzeentchian Alexa
the new AoS art of them is so cool lol
I want armored Disciples of tzeentch
something like the other Chaos factions "elite" unit
Like the Myrmidish painbringers, blightlords ect.
idk which one to get
Tommen iirc
both of them are so good but the Inqusitor wins it imo
the freeguild marshal is
very whatever
Yeah that inquisitor model is really hard to compete with. Some of GW's best work imo
the steel rook arch knight
know if this one was the AoS mini
that would be pain to pick
man those event miniatures make me mad theyre so beautiful
a friend of mine is making a Golden Deamon entry based on that model (it also has a horse)
it's very very good
this is my all time most wanted model ever
I got the steel rook recast
that's just Hark
in pure chinesium(resin)
Yeah, harking you to NOT buy this model
Hark knows whats good
But i mainly want him because the commisar model is just
terrible
HEY
the one that comes with the command squad is excellent
YOU SHOW THAT OLD MODEL RESPECT
what the fuck is this
I kitbashed my own using the cadian castellan kit and im turning him into a diorama piece to replace lord solar
To give you an idea of how "bad" this model was, when it came out people were going like:
"Oh shit junior/cadet commissars? Based as fuck!"
then the presenter was like
"Heres our new commissar model"

did dukane get lore when they introduced her
or is all her lore just mourningstar voicelines
a week or so later yeah
she has quite enough for a side characdter
cadian castellan model is actually so good and it has so many options
She also has submitted "reports" to command about the status of Atoma
they are very funny lol
who is the legion fighting against the traitors we see at the start of missions at stuff
the 23rd?
the 53rd?
Yeah both of them
yeah the new mini is uh
oh both
a normal comissar
as with any warzone theres multiple contingents
This is the best Commissar model
no arms
and apparently 23rd already has traitors, because they show up in havoc?
he's fine as fresh out of schola

i wonder what happened to commissars in the 6th

did wolfer just fart on them or something
As with most traitor regiments likely mass-murdered
with the tactic known as uh
lasbolt to the back of the skull
oh the Minka Lesk set that comes with that commissar I posted isn't in active production
lame
also wolfers just a captain right, was he like the last surviving senior officer in the 6th
but hes in charge of the legion or like
is there some commander who orders him around thats from the 6th
We dont really know, the implication is that he leads mostly through charisma/grandeur
because we get mentions of "Moebian Command" being a thing
so they very much got other head-goons
again the game has like a ton of lore
you just need to compile them
since its scattered across dialogue in the thousands lmao

i like the darktide story a lot idk how people always thought there was no story
Now I'm thinking if I should buy this set before it disappears from all the stores
probably just wanted like action cutscenes or some shit
you didn't ask me but I thought I'd share, I don't like named characters so i was disappointed by it
also lol at the cadian sculpt
as in you don't like the characters themselves or named characters in general
named characters in my list
i think minka lesk is sick
well sure but you can just field them as their representative roles
Pretty much this yeah, its why the new "story" update was met with a ton of praise. Modern gamers kinda want nothing but CGI high budget call of duty cutscenes and big babes with big boobs ๐ซก
Ok very true
i wish I didnt spam buy astra militarum i never would have bought fuck ass lord solar but hes required to play casually practically ๐
is house mangolin just a random noble house or is like lord margrave from there
thats normal for GW
lol
named character
its one of the other noble houses
Margrave's are kinda too high to bother with us lol
I know, it still rough especially for an army I don't play 
what do rich people do IRL right now when entire countries are in turmoil with thousands dying

What wargames do you often play? if any? curious
play fifa, smoke sheesha?
pretty much
Trench Crusade mostly lately, but 40k, HH, KT, LI and AT on top of it
the lore im most interested in for the game is the twin city shit
like whats GOING ON IN THE OTHER HIVE CITY
Oh sick I had no idea you played Horus Heresy. That's awesome
I've got the rules and models for Necromunda but haven't played it
No one asked but I really like flames of war, warmachine , hordes and malifaux
Malifaux doesn't use dice , it's interesting
You have a pack of cards
Like playing cards
Malifaux seems neat but none of the models really sell it for me
pretty much the same issue with the rest of the games you mentioned as well 
I'm foremost a painter rather than a player really
Mmm yes
Big guy
I have wanted to play the tabletop but the figurines are kinda expensive
I think there more detailed than alot of gws stuff , it must be because it's 1 pose models
It's way cheaper too lmao
more detail isn't necessary good, it gets very tiring to paint quickly
or uninteresting
I'm assuming you bear the curse of how the best painters roll like shit with their miniatures
like all extra gribblies on everything sucks, that's the main issue on almost all 3rd party 3d modeller kits for warhammer as well
gotta add all that little detail to everything to make the paintjob miserable
my winrate in 40k is probably around 90% lmao
You don't like to paint the several curly decals?
with ultras and necrons
Smh
Doing good in both aspects is insane
I mean curly decals are fine if they're on a flat surface, if the detail is sculpted it sucks most of the time
Shaky hands are a problem for me
Plus it's steampunk which is like the best setting
I love new cadians! Please waiter, MORE BAGS! MORE BAGS!
lol
Yeah especially if it's like
Idk what to call it I forgor
Uh
Up?

Like
Up?
morrows legend growing over the course of the game into mythical proportions is one of the best things about the banter
I love the new cadian models but please bro not every model needs more pouches than a horde of kangaroo I dont even know what that means im just annoyed thinking of it
Uneven from the surface in a way similar to a hill where it is 3d and present
God dammit why did I forget the word this would make things so much easier rn

Vertical?
This is modeling in a nutshell?
I have absolutely no idea what color T'au eyes are supposed to be
not quite, GW has a good balance with detail and paintability (most of the time)
Some of the historical armies take people years to paint
Like... Like this. The spiral being the "decal"
Where it's sort of above the rest of the surface
I fucking forgot the word for it
oh okay, so sculpted detail
according to this, dukane is in charge of the entire 53rd
she got some pawa
Just make it on a flat surface
Or sculpted inwards
So that it's easier to paint inside
Idk

Pain
Iv seen 15 mm napleonic armies painted w detail in mind and they look stunning , imagine painting 2000 little 15mm men 
that works for some applications but some do benefit from the sculpted detail as well. Sculptors really need to find a nice balance between the two
I love my 8mm Legion Imperialis men
Some games even go lower
only historicals
below 8mm lol
and even then
I cannot think of a single popular historical under 8mm
NY freind had the old school apocalypse game w the titans
I meant below 15
Np
"The 53rd Steelheads are proud soldiers, impeccable in their loyalty. Moreover, as I need not remind you, they are Branx-born. Like their birth world, they are young and aspirational. Atoma Prime has ruled the Domain for too long. It has grown fat and lazy, and slumped into privileged corruption. How else can one explain the gross deviation of their infamous 6th? Atoma, and the Lord Margrave, has allowed this treason to breed. Yes, Atoma must be freed and delivered. Yes, the traitors must be expunged without delay. But beyond that, I believe that the ancient hive must be soundly purged. The uprising must be put down and the enemy eradicated, but the soil from which this infamy sprang must also be cleansed with fire."
Okay , I like Dukane more now
much more
ngl
wtf happened to the 53rd's commander
or is Dukane just their commander
bcs usually comissars don't take a command role
its a mystery according to the wiki, how dukane got to be in charge of the whole regiment
Im gona assume the old commander bit it
and it does mention commissars arent supposed to be, but she is in fact in charge of the whole regiment
she either "promoted" herself and was popular/threatening enough
the general/colonel bit it
or the regiment was founded with a comissar at its command
which is rare but happens
If a person in a regiment had enough support from fellow soldiers could they do what morrow done and get away w it depending on circumstances?
What did Morrow do?
Commissars rarely assume direct command of a regiment and the circumstances by which Commissar Dukane came to head up the 53rd remain shrouded in mystery - or are at least snarled up in the processes of the Imperiumโs infamous bureaucracy. However, it is plain that she enjoys the full confidence of the sectors lord militant, and has swiftly moved to assume immediate control of the Atoman warzone, masterminding aggressive deployments by the 53rd and rallying the winnowed survivors of the Moebian 21st - until now, the only official Astra Militarum presence in Tertium.
comissars got riz
blew out the regimental comissars brains
that's actually so sick what
The guy was a cunt
Where can I read about this darktide lore??? ive never even heard of this
Nit all commisar are like that
that's from the patch prior Arbites
morrows gonna be one of all the time great human guardsmen by the end of the game, hes already a legend 
shit
I think Dukane got control of the regiment by playing with the Margrave
There's also lines that play in mortis about this
You can just watxh a YouTube video that pits them in order tho
Easier to follow
Basically it's just about morrow and Zola and the ship mistress before the Inquisition brings them in
Iirc
Thanks for letting me know to scour up some youtube vids tho i appreciate that. on it rn
I believe we face an enemy driven by disdain, by privation, and by idolatry, and an enemy that has been allowed to breed thanks to the venal weakness of a hive and a ruling society that has fallen prey to its own luxuriating entitlement. I have declared to Rannick that the Steelheads are born of greater mettle, and thus can be fully trusted, for they are not prey to such infantile whimsy.- Dukane just keeps roasting tertiums leadership
for a moment I thought you wrote that and was like damn this dude is well articulated
her pov is like " you baboons on your planet let this happen because you're corrupt pepegas, and me and the bois are gonna burn down the hive because of it" 
no thats how I articulate
also
she makes a very good argument in her third commissar report
about the corruption of the moebian 6th
i dont wanna post the whole thing its kinda big
also
in the report after that she just flames tf out of lord margrave
The existence and operation of this cult, known as the Admonition, offers proof of my suspicions that corruption has been allowed to brew in Tertium for some considerable age. The ruling powers including, I am sure, the Lord Margrave himself, our Lord Moebian, have allowed this delinquency to fester, either through weakness or indolent ignorance. Such are the vile teachings and preachings of these heretics, it seems to me no wonder that battle-weary troops, such as the 6th, having been worn down by thankless tours on the Fringe Worlds, are rendered helpless and susceptible to toxic ideas.
When a Commissar sounds reasonable even while saying shit like "vile teachings and preachings". This means that shit is
bad
you should see her analysis about why the moebian 6th fell prey to corruption
its an interesting argument
I speculate that the 6th have been kept too close to home. The rulers of Tertium saw fit to deploy them to their own Fringe Worlds, which have been a hotbed of petty war for centuries. They have not been founded and sent further abroad across the Domain or the wider Imperium beyond as regulations describe.
In this, I declare, a fundamental principle of the Astra Militarum has been broken. Worlds raise men to fight in distant wars, not in their own backyards, thus where and when the Imperial Guard fights is merely a matter of location. A guardsman may fight upon a world with valour and clarity for he has no particular association or sentiment for that place. This distancing allows him to fix his focus - and his loyalty - on the light of the Throne, above all, and the standard of the Imperium.
By fighting close to home, and allowing troops to return to their own world for resupply between tours, the 6th have bred a familiarity akin to nostalgia. They fight for Atoma, and their own people, against the benevolent mastery of the Imperium, rather than the greater and grander good of the Imperium as a whole. This has allowed for the development of a dangerously inward-looking aberration, a local introspection, that dwells upon small details and grievances rather than the wider scope of Imperial virtue, and thus gnaws away at discipline and loyalty like acid or some wasting disease. It is a condemnable affliction of attitude.
I am pleased, of course, to remind my lords that the Steelheads are in no such wise affected, given that they were founded on proud Branx and now fight on soil, and in streets, that carry no familiarity or attachment for them. So too myself, born and raised on Thracian Primaris so far away, have no personal connection to this location. Indeed, even the Inquisitorial warband, for all its faults, was in the majority bred in diverse other parts, and comes to this war without preconception. Where the 6th has fallen into a miserable trap of its own affections, we can remain clear-sighted to get the job done. Our sentiment, fierce and strong, lies with the Imperium and our sworn devotion. Around that flag, we are able to rally without fault or favour. Atoma means nothing to us except as a mark of honour.
Reminds me of the USA civil war
How most people were loyal to their states
Rather than the whole country
yeah
its different because they have the argument available of fighing literally for home soil
Although I don't think this is all of it for sure.
Honestly, the 6th also just got plain shafted... on purpose.
Yeah this is why I really like this report from her, it even has her mention how its very unusual for Guard regiments to usually fight local wars exactly for this reason
not sure this is the right channel, but ive played darktide for a god awful amount of time...but im pretty sure ive never seen this before in habdraco
It's much harder to fight people that you know. Friends, family even.
It's also why civil wars are often considered cruel
yep, she says they kept coming back to resupply, and lost the distancing needed to fix their focus and loyalty on the nature of the job
instead they kept fighting and were kept in proximity to all the corruption that sent them out there again and again
Yeah thats always been there and another tragic fact before the Dreyko map update your characters also used to say lines regarding how the troopers died before Morrow chimed in saying thats the first response team from the very first trailer that got killed and hung up there
It also doesn't help that none of the civilians are
Aware of their plight
It's a classic dilemma
Coming home to people unaware of what's truly going on
It must sting even more that it's next door basically
yeah so the moebian 6th basically turned into rambo from first blood, spurred on by nurgle 
Ah, thanks for the info! thats very interesting, the voice line before this snap was " Looks like we are dealing with a Sadist"
PTSD moment
It's honestly an interesting dilemma
Now then, time to murder them all

Yeah lmao that checks out
my favorite is the bodyguard ogryn's reaction
"Hm. Died hard."

no worries
I THINK they actually still have those reactions when you look at them
it can just get buried by the mission voice-over dialogue
"So what do you think?"
"I-"
"REMEMBER THE MISSION VARLETS."
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