40k-lore-chat

[dapper gyro]

Swann is HERC/Marauder.

[queen laurel]

did they literally just slap every upgrade from the old alpha into the Sc2 for the troopers

[dapper gyro]

They are not AA.

[arctic talon]

I forgor

[dapper gyro]

Correct

[arctic talon]

I'm ngl I've not played the base campaigns

without mods since like

2015

if we're being generous lol

[dapper gyro]

I have the very last SC book... got it out of respect for the game.

[opaque coyote]

I just wanted to share a rare thing

I think I am finally satisfied with my PC build

[dapper gyro]

Firebat in SC2 is strong as hell despite its slow attack.

[opaque coyote]

There is just one problem

It is efficient in cooling

But the fans are loud

[arctic talon]

Nah they’re bad in the basegame imo

I’d rather not use them

[opaque coyote]

But hey it's at least good.

Minus the fact that the case has one of it's USB ports not working which is annoying as SHI

[dapper gyro]

Better than Hellbat.

[arctic talon]

Not predator tier

But they don’t do much

[arctic talon]

Hellion is a pvp unit

Tbh

[queen laurel]

Aren't they basically like only useful on infested maps

[arctic talon]

It’s got 0 utility in campaign

Hellbat isn’t even in wings of liberty lol

Bcs the thing got introduced in HOTS

[dapper gyro]

I'm pretty sure that they are in WoL.

[queen laurel]

They are useful in coop as raynor, but only really on heavy number maps and infested maps, most of the time you just run marauder marine medic blob

[dapper gyro]

That's the whole point of Hellion introduced.

[arctic talon]

They’re not in WoL

lol

I’m 100% sure

[dapper gyro]

After WoL, there are not many transformation unit.

[arctic talon]

Because they weren’t in MP

I am traumatized from their introduction in HOTS

[plush mason]

i am so sad they never added Tosh to coop

[arctic talon]

Because I played Zerg

[dapper gyro]

Only the Liberator

[arctic talon]

Yeah hellbats are HOTS onwards

They’re not in unmodded WOL campaigns

[plush mason]

yeah HOTS added some neat terran units that you couldnt get in WOL

[arctic talon]

widowmine
launch hellbat

What were blizzard cooking

Yeah let’s make a unit that can 2 shot drones and probes

And can go in the medivac

And can be healed by the medivac

[opaque coyote]

I mean

Their name is blizzard after all

Kinda anti-thetical for them to cook

[plush mason]

and then the protos camapign i did like 80% of it before i even remembered you chould change their units lol

[opaque coyote]

Just look at overwatch 2

[arctic talon]

LOTV only adding the disruptor for Protoss was

A choice lol

Protoss is def the worst faction in ranked MP by far rn at the higher ranks

Zerg and Terran are about equal

[opaque coyote]

(yes I had to get that jab in it was very important)

[plush mason]

so much LOTV was forgettable

[arctic talon]

LOTV was

Fine.

[celest dome]

I know Rts genre is kinda dead and all, bit I wonder if a SC3 could exist in the future

[arctic talon]

The epilogue was bad

[dapper gyro]

I think I got memory hole.

[arctic talon]

I hope so

I like it

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Tbh it all blends together I don’t blame you

[plush mason]

LOTV missions where fun and the story was cool

[arctic talon]

Honestly HOTS was a shitshow

Viper and Swarm host

[plush mason]

just the extra stuff just didnt matter

[opaque coyote]

Considering Blizzard is having bad luck with a lot of their franchises.

They might genuinely make SC3 out of desperation.

Whether it's actually good or not depends on the god that you pray to

[dapper gyro]

There was always HERC, Warhound, any tons of other units added and removed.

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Widowmine and hellbat

[dapper gyro]

Mothership core

[arctic talon]

Mothership core deserved to die for its sins

[plush mason]

like image doing all of WOL without upgrading units or buying mercs lol

[arctic talon]

Unfortunately killing it might have also killed Protoss in MP

lol

[dapper gyro]

Lol, it is way stronger than the mothership

[arctic talon]

The mothership is kind of sad

[queen laurel]

it's was the only true super unit in starcraft multiplayer right

[arctic talon]

No

The mothership is

The mothership core is a tiny little 150 mineral thing

[plush mason]

that was what i did with LOTV purely because i forgot unit upgrading was a feature lmao

[dapper gyro]

-400/-400

[arctic talon]

That was the single most broken defensive unit lol

Oh that’s right 400/400

Why tf did I think it’s 150

💀

[queen laurel]

What about the mothership mothership

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

like you know the thing the core turns into

[arctic talon]

But also the mothership a utility unit

Tbh I’m surprised we didn’t get 4 selections per unit type in the Protoss campaign

1 for each subfaction

There’s a ton of cut units in the LOTV campaign

[dapper gyro]

Starcraft has a lore of its own... and I still can't get over that it is so forgotten.

[plush mason]

tbf the 4th faction isnt really a faction by protoss standards

[arctic talon]

Purifiers?

[dapper gyro]

I saw meme onlines, and people started asking "what game is that"?...

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Tbh SC2 LOTV epilogue was a shitshow lore wise lol

HOTS and WoL were fine

Amon is a nothing character

Which ultimately makes me feel nothing for him

[dapper gyro]

SC2 epilogue is indeed bad.

[queen laurel]

i am very sorry but the only lore i care about are the kroot + lore

[plush mason]

iirc a big part of the purifiers stuff was just how controversial the program was and how the traditionalist ones hated them

[dapper gyro]

Though, I like how political SC universe was.

[arctic talon]

Oh Terran politics are great

lol

There’s so many Terran subgroups

[dapper gyro]

Every action, back stab, cooperation between each factions, so great.

[arctic talon]

Kel Moran combine, umojans

[queen laurel]

kerrigan was handle interestingly i guess is the word for it

[arctic talon]

Kerrigan is the queen bitch of the universe™

[dapper gyro]

Protoss had like 5 factions in SC1.

[arctic talon]

According to her

Protoss were comically splintered in 1

[celest dome]

The Lord in SC2 were such a cool thing.
Dehaka (Kaiju) and the Terran/Zerg were so cool

[arctic talon]

Which makes sense

Tbh I actually like Hybrids a ton

My main thing is

They should have just removed hybrid swarms

[plush mason]

losing their homeworld all but broke them yeah

[arctic talon]

And combined the swarms into 1 big hybrid

lol

So like instead of 3 hybrid behemoths

Just have them be 1 hybrid megabehemoth or whatever the fuck

[queen laurel]

that's literally just the subplot of amon's body that he is making to enter in the physical world

[dapper gyro]

Ultralisk and its variants can take Bio titan in 40k for breakfast.

[arctic talon]

That’s dif

[arctic talon]

Prolly not

Bio titan has guns

And is bigger

I am a big Zerg fan

[dapper gyro]

You see the og Omegalisk?

[arctic talon]

But the ultra is like a bigger angrier carnifex

[arctic talon]

I don’t count that as an ultra im ngl

[queen laurel]

well if they get close I can see them overpowering a bio Titan through sheer bulk

[plush mason]

a brutalisk would have a better time and is closer to a bio titan

[arctic talon]

But if that one is around then yeah

lol

[plush mason]

ultralisk is more like a knight

[dapper gyro]

Hence I say variants...

[arctic talon]

Bio titans have shielding and guns though

Which is funny

SM2 didn’t give them their shielding

[queen laurel]

Bioenergy Shields

[arctic talon]

For…. Reasons

[queen laurel]

of course

[arctic talon]

Psychic shields specifically

lol

All biotitans are psykers

Though the psychic stuff is used for self healing and generating a barrier

[plush mason]

i still cant get over that the ultralisks have the same arms as the screamers

[arctic talon]

lol

The scythe arms

[queen laurel]

oh you are not kidding

what the fuck

[arctic talon]

The original SC1 ultra really looks like the old Screamer

The original sc1 ultra is also ass

[queen laurel]

It would take a brutalisk or Omegalisk

[storm jungle]

Guess uh

gues space marine 2 kinda forgot about the shield

[arctic talon]

It can only attack 1 unit at a time lol

[dapper gyro]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starcraft/images/4/43/Omegalisk_SC2_Cncpt1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080806045747

[arctic talon]

The bio titan mission in SM2 is a disgrace

It’s so slow

It doesn’t have a bio energy shield

[plush mason]

so much of that game is

[arctic talon]

And you kill it with like 12 las cannons

Boring

[storm jungle]

What gets me is like

[dapper gyro]

This drawing was from 2006-2007, with the omegalisk the size of SC1 ultralisk.

[arctic talon]

I wanted to shoot the orbital plasma cannon at it

[storm jungle]

you launched 1 salvo of those lascannons?

that fucking hioerphant

would melt that ENTIRE section of the fortress

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Also it wouldn’t have died

Even without its shields

[dapper gyro]

SM2 is power fantasy

[arctic talon]

We’ve seen them eat the giant fuck off volcano cannon and shrug it off lol

[storm jungle]

Its a bad one

[arctic talon]

Yeah and I don’t feel powerful in that mission

[storm jungle]

you get your ass kicked by everything

lmao

[dapper gyro]

Titus is in coma after the prologue, the rest is his dream.

[queen laurel]

on the baby walk difficulty maybe

[arctic talon]

It feels lame as fuck

[queen laurel]

on the higher difficulties you will be turned into a guardsman

[arctic talon]

The heirophant goes down like a wuss

[dapper gyro]

Prologue is the only lore accurate part of SM2.

[celest dome]

Darktide is more of a power fantasy than SM2

[storm jungle]

Yeah tho my favorite part is uhhh

We will deny the Tyranids their biomass
Entire skybox (possibly the planet) is filled with feeder tendrils connected
Ending cutscene just has you shoot/blow up 1 feeder tower

[arctic talon]

Only for Titus’s squad

[plush mason]

stuff like that is why i understand the rumors about SC being based on 40k/was going to be 40k just like warcraft was gona be WFB came about

[arctic talon]

Titus is aura farming

[dapper gyro]

No one say that Dark Tide isn't power fantasy.

[arctic talon]

Because he’s shittier Uriel Ventris

[plush mason]

a lot of SC feels 40k coded but clearly isnt

[arctic talon]

Fortunately being a worse Uriel Ventris isn’t the worst fate

lol

[arctic talon]

Tbf they literally say the planet is fucked

That mission is done entirely out of spite and anger

Which is completely accurate for the imperium lol

[storm jungle]

Id buy that but people dont even pay attention

[plush mason]

yup

[storm jungle]

lmao

they are like

"yeah we did a great blow to the hive fleet"

YOU DIDNT

LMAO

[arctic talon]

They don’t even say that

Do they?

[storm jungle]

I meant the fanbase

[arctic talon]

Oh

[storm jungle]

almost 90% of the SM2 fanbase knows jackshit about the tyranids

so its very insulting

[arctic talon]

I still don’t like the hive tyrant scene bruh

[dapper gyro]

Typical 40K fans...

[arctic talon]

It’s lame

lol

That’s not how the synapse works !!!!!!!

[storm jungle]

I can mostly dig it because AT LEAST the devs make it heavily wounded

oh the synapse

[arctic talon]

No

Not that

The stnapse

[storm jungle]

yeah uh

lets not get started on the synapse

[arctic talon]

I don’t mind it being smoked by 3 namesd ultramarines

I get the synapse in gameplay

I don’t like that cutscene

[queen laurel]

this game is about to spawn the biggest form of misinformation sprees I have ever seen

[arctic talon]

Where everything just falls over

From it

[celest dome]

I mean, it's the fanbase that think that becoming a Chaplain is a punishment

[arctic talon]

The SM2 fanbase is like

A microcosm

Leandros was also right btw

He was completely valid

Even if he was a massive prick

[storm jungle]

We already had people asking how can the Imperium can lose against Nids when you kill a synapse creature and almost every nid around them dies 💀

[queen laurel]

the synapse when not present just makes the tyranid into an animal right

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

like

[plush mason]

i really hope they dont do that with SM3 though, the multiplayer being named characters really limits the customization and squad comps

[storm jungle]

I hate to break it to you people

[arctic talon]

The only nids that make other nids around them explode when they die

[storm jungle]

but titus and his squad would still get assfucked by those 4 carnifexes

lol

[arctic talon]

Are the nids that are full of volatile chemicals

[sacred ginkgo]

Pretty sure you can kill it with your player weapons

[arctic talon]

[sacred ginkgo]

Like you can look up a video of someone doing it with a sniper

[arctic talon]

Oh also the Psyker nids if they’re doing specific psychic abiltues

lol

But still synapse doesn’t work that way smh

[plush mason]

it was pure gameplay

so players dont get completely overrun

[arctic talon]

The cutscene should have just been all the unsynapsed nids turning on each other and murdering everything indiscriminately and Titus runs

lol

[plush mason]

what do you mean? we kill those stunted runts with ease in both the camapign and multiplayer

[arctic talon]

Lore wise

[plush mason]

SM2 carnifex is the size of a tyrant guard ffs

[arctic talon]

Gameplay wise it’s fine

But carnifex’s dying to bolters is

A choice

I get why but still

Lame

[dapper gyro]

Well... shoot it until it dies

[plush mason]

they should have just used tyrant guard

[arctic talon]

I agree

It’s not like Titus doesn’t have weapons that can hurt it

Power weapons

Plasma

Melta

[dapper gyro]

Or just use the SM missile pod... lol.

[plush mason]

btw the seige mode in SM2 is just a slog

by wave 10 i was just done

[storm jungle]

Correct lol

[celest dome]

There are some people that think the Bolter is the best weapon in the Imperium, cause the Emp. Allegedly invented them

[arctic talon]

💀

[dapper gyro]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/7/7c/SuperfragRocketLauncher.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230221194050

[plush mason]

yeah and some people think a single space marine can kill a whole platoon with ease

[dapper gyro]

Come to daddy

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh gods I forgot about those nerf gun ass devastator things

What even is that unit called

[queen laurel]

fuckin marine flash gitz

[plush mason]

please tell me those are very small missiles in the rotary cylinder

would just make it all the more stupid

[dapper gyro]

Super frag/krak launcher...

https://www.warhammer.com/en-CA/shop/space-marines-desolation-squad-2023

https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120101377_SMDesolationSquad2.jpg?fm=webp&w=920&h=948

[plush mason]

TF2 ah mofo in the front

[dapper gyro]

The more GW makes shit like this, the more I appreciate SC2 art direction.

You can be cool while not being over the top.

[sacred ginkgo]

Desolators

The devastator’s shitty gen z kids

[queen laurel]

fucking flashgitz

[plush mason]

say what you will about the company but Blizzard has never lacked for art talent

[queen laurel]

straight up just flashgitz

[plush mason]

their art teams have hard carried their games for years

[dapper gyro]

Also, you see on the Valkyries in SM2 carries big ass missiles... yet they never think of using them on the fucking boss units...

[sacred ginkgo]

Masozi sweep

[plush mason]

the aiming squig is still just the best thing

[sacred ginkgo]

Actually using her missiles

[dapper gyro]

Like, the blast of those, not even a direct hit, is strong enough to kill a Helbrute.

[opaque coyote]

Bruh

[dapper gyro]

But no, we save it for next time, the planet is not important enough to spend those missiles.

[celest dome]

In fairness, I think they mean purging out the bigots

[plush mason]

btw, if SM3 has Leandros turn traitor at any point ima just crash out

better they just have him die like the chaplain in the angles of death

[sacred ginkgo]

Can we pretty please have tightass go traitor and have Leandros execute him

It would be so funny

[plush mason]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

I hope so

[plush mason]

but given how they didnt use him in 2 i dont have much faith in them to do anything good in 3

[opaque coyote]

It's the equivalent of saving up potions in an rpg

And then never using them

[sacred ginkgo]

I know

[opaque coyote]

"Hold on we can't use them yet."

"WHEN??"

[sacred ginkgo]

Titsass is too much of a beautiful blueberry to do harm

And they can’t let him have moral complexity

[plush mason]

Leandros is ether gona die in some stupid way or go traitor and be one of the antagonists

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think it would be interesting if Leandros just continues to be loyal

And also idk rank up somehow

I have no idea how you would rank up from a Chaplain

Maybe have him be one of our permanent party members

[plush mason]

bro becomes the new grand chaplain or whatever its called just to piss off all the haters

[celest dome]

Titus should fall to chaos.
But GW and Saber don't have the balls to do it

[sacred ginkgo]

Please

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it'd be funnier if he just becomes more chill

[plush mason]

it would never happen but it would be so funny

[opaque coyote]

Since Leandros kinda mellowed out in SM2

Still a bit of a dick but that's literally his job

[scenic bolt]

leandros becomes company captain

[plush mason]

he wasnt a character for all of the campaign

[celest dome]

Playable Chaplain Leandros, hunting Chaos Prince Titus

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but for the few bits of screen time he seems to be better than his SM1 part

[plush mason]

yeah still that reveal should have been the mid point of the campaign

not the fucking end

[celest dome]

Revealing it at the end did make people love the Chaplain then have to connect it to Leandros

[opaque coyote]

I don't think Titus would turn to Chaos.

Mainly because he's too much of a tight ass. Would ruin every party

[celest dome]

[plush mason]

i mean, i figured it was him from like the 3rd mission

[opaque coyote]

Slaanesh? Nah. Too clean.

Tzeentch? Nah. Too strict.

Khorne? Nah. He isn't angry enough.

Nurgle? Nah. He's healthy and not depressed

[summer mural]

Instead he should join the tau

[opaque coyote]

Eh I'm only speaking for cutscenes

I haven't played yet

And I'm not willing to be a seafarer this time

So

Just kinda my observations

Honestly I hope Leandros doesn't turn to Chaos

That would just be lame

[summer mural]

Nah

[plush mason]

oh the chaplain has dialog and convos after every mission

[summer mural]

He should just be a hard ass forever

[plush mason]

most of them are just him chastising Titus and low key saying he is a traitor

which is why i figured it was Leandros from the start

[opaque coyote]

To be fair, Titus is fucking insane at times

[plush mason]

yes

[opaque coyote]

Also it's his job to constantly be suspicious

I genuinely don't think he actually dislikes Titus

It's just the fact that he's sus as shit

[plush mason]

Titus touched the raw stuff of the warp and lived, something only those corrupted by chaos are known to be able to do

[opaque coyote]

It would be interesting if they come to a begrudging respect type of deal. Rather than Titus or Leandros turning to Chaos.

[plush mason]

yeah

thats what i want to happen

[opaque coyote]

But that's also asking for the SM games to have good writing

[plush mason]

which is asking a lot

oh speaking of writing, seems blizzard's writers have voted to unionize

i wonder how Microsoft will handle that

[opaque coyote]

Seizure

And then idk probably try to force the writers to come back

Or replace them with AI

[plush mason]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

Also

On an unrelated note

How the fuck does anybody take Shapiro seriously

[shadow plover]

brain damage most likely

[celest dome]

By being on the same level of existence as him

Clown reality

[opaque coyote]

I mean he did say that the only reason why a woman's vagina is wet would be due to a disease

[shadow plover]

that was a hilarious time

"MY WIFE'S PUSSY IS NEVER WET"

[opaque coyote]

...at least it shows that he either doesn't jork it or it's exclusively men

Seriously he hasn't seen like one porno

[opaque coyote]

He has a wife??

HE HAS A WIFE???

[shadow plover]

Yes.

[opaque coyote]

HE HAS CHILDREN????

HOW??

WHY???

[shadow plover]

grooming probably

[sacred ginkgo]

Isn’t he rich or something

Somebody probably figured the reward outweighed the risk

[opaque coyote]

It turns out that they were bad at math

...well to anybody out there

If Ben Shapiro can somehow get a wife

So can you.

Because you are probably infinitely more attractive in looks and personality

[dapper gyro]

I don't have the kind of wealth like he does.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah.

But the wealth is only the only reason that he even has any

You got two things working for you vs one

Instant advantage

Also helps that there's a higher chance it'll be a meaningful relationship

[median star]

is there anywhere on terra that isnt built over or is the entire planet hive city whole way around

[plush mason]

there is the area outside the wall of the palace and the emperor's old gardens

thats it

[sacred bluff]

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X · Aug 13, 2025, 10:01 AM

Wait

Is Cypher a chaos marine???

I thought he was just some dark angel who got in trouble and thrown in prison

[summer mural]

[shadow plover]

Yeah he is in the CSM codex

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-the-biggest-mystery-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-is-the-biggest-secret-its-the-most-mysterious-thing-nobody-knows-that-gif-21430284

[sturdy sedge]

That's the neat part. No-one knows

[ornate estuary]

Maybe he will be forgiven by his papa... The emperor didn't smite him. Soooo...

[hallow saddle]

he's cHaOs SpAcE mArInEs

[storm jungle]

For corporate reasons yes.

In reality no, he just conspires with chaos marines and largely Fallen Angels who are into chaos for his own gains to aid the Imperium for some plotpoint the writers havent decided yet.

Its explored really well in his book where hes trying to escaper the Imperial Dungeons and he treats any psychotic teammate he has who spouts chaotic nonsense with "Yeah sure pal "

[median star]

hes omegon

[storm jungle]

Nah.

[median star]

true true

alpharius

[storm jungle]

One of them is 100% dead so pick and choose dingleberry

[median star]

um

i am alpharius

[storm jungle]

outdated meme

next 🗣️

[median star]

you cant outdate the truth

[median star]

think ferrus couldve survived if he had one of those funny terminator sets that go around and over the head like horus and pert have

[valid needle]

For tabletop sake he’s under chaos marines

He’s more like renegade

[near wasp]

People on YouTube still coping about Marines in darktide

[nova scaffold]

hear me out

[sacred bluff]

are they in there now?

[celest dome]

Is it Joplay ?

[winged jacinth]

Cypher is spartacus

[nova scaffold]

necking down a 120mm mbt ammo down to .17

how fast it will go

[near wasp]

Yes it is

[near wasp]

No they don't, that's why they are coping

[nova scaffold]

its 4 millimeter

[celest dome]

I'm somewhat certain that she doesn't really believe they are

[dapper gyro]

As fast a fragmentation fly... Because that thing would overload the chamber before the bullet can fly out.

[nova scaffold]

imagine it shoots a extremely tiny sabot

like the size of a lego 1x4x bar

[near wasp]

Whole video seems to be based on a single frame that describes terminators and drones being deployed

[surreal nest]

Content drought

[dapper gyro]

Still not enough

[celest dome]

The thing is that, both of those terms can mean other things

[nova scaffold]

how fast you think it can go

like the velocity

[celest dome]

Like there is something that if we discard fantasy only point to Plague Drones

But that ain't it

[dapper gyro]

As fast a fragmentation when the chamber explodes, so about Mach 1 - 2 for about 100m. Basically like a frag grenade.

[nova scaffold]

so triple the thickness of the beech?

like making it extremely thick

[dapper gyro]

It is like you strike the round in a metal box... the projectile is irrelevant.

Because the exit is just too small.

[nova scaffold]

yeah the enemy was unaware of TF it hit em

it just makes 2 shrapnel

[dapper gyro]

Like, if such thing works, the military would already used it.

[nova scaffold]

after all the projectile is big as a lego rod

[dapper gyro]

Also, the friction with the air at high speed would turn the projectile to dusk before it hit anything.

[nova scaffold]

is basically throwing sand

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[near wasp]

There are a few other drone units in nurgles selection but yeah. It's just kinda one of those times where people are looking too far into the most minute detail trying to predict the next thing

[nova scaffold]

so tungsten will do?

[storm jungle]

Thats basically all Jo does tbh

girl does nothing but reach for every theory video

[dapper gyro]

That's not even accounting to instability on fly.

[nova scaffold]

is the tiny fins gets ripped off

[dapper gyro]

Early APDS round, around 2nd WW, had very bad accuracy.

[near wasp]

First video of hers I've watched, and probably gonna be the last

[dapper gyro]

So bad that their effectiveness is less than conventional round at long range.

[queen laurel]

i don't know who's easier to bait her or valrak

[near wasp]

At least valrak can kinda lead you on

[nova scaffold]

whats the stupidest ammo

[nova scaffold]

oh hai

[storm jungle]

If you wanna completely give up watch her genestealer/clandestium one

she spends like 30m saying how the water cartel members are genestealers because she can see bumps on their heads

[queen laurel]

sup sven

[storm jungle]

(its literally just skin diseases/textures because they use dreg head models who look sickly lol)

[queen laurel]

OK she is easier to bait

[dapper gyro]

Nope, it just too thin to overcome air resistance.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1036949968461758477/1194792255068835922/MVIMG_20240110_184631.jpg?ex=689dcf3f&is=689c7dbf&hm=5531d77133997f24eb2e85c57a3ff22b64e909ad5b810633e16599720e9eaee9&=&format=webp&width=1351&height=760

[nova scaffold]

im planning on painting metal 15mm quar

[dapper gyro]

You see the red round and the wolfram/tungsten core beside it? Its velocity is limited to around 110m/s, so it doesn't become unstable.

[queen laurel]

good for you

[nova scaffold]

i never done that before

[nova scaffold]

good question

how useful it is for infantry to use 20mm

[near wasp]

I used to lean into the gene stealer stuff just cause some of the vox chatter in the ship talking about xenos elements in the fight for the planet

[nova scaffold]

something like the ryshi that shoots a 20mm shells

[near wasp]

At this point though it's more likely elder doing elder things

[storm jungle]

Elder?

[winged jacinth]

i spent a summer working on a gun that shot these

[arctic talon]

Eldar!

[storm jungle]

EYO

[rocky gale]

Also

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[winged jacinth]

a mere 6 inch projectile

[vagrant fox]

Eldar

[storm jungle]

its that corsair book!

[rocky gale]

Limited Edition version of Voidscarred

[storm jungle]

lmao Rath's signature

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/nr6jarwz/find-out-which-three-black-library-books-are-getting-the-special-edition-treatment/

[dapper gyro]

Depending on the target...

[arctic talon]

Ngl I love rath’s signature bcs it’s so boring and simple

But brooks is funny as hell

[storm jungle]

I love how he put his mohawk in like that

[dapper gyro]

It is like asking if the 84mm is useful for infantry. If there is no tank or vehicle expected, there is not many reason to bring the 84mm with you.

[storm jungle]

god I cant wait for this book

I need corsair content in my bloodstream

[arctic talon]

Please don’t be mid

[crisp heath]

😎 that's a sick mo

[arctic talon]

Brooks hairstyle irl must take so much work to maintain lol

Like all Mohawks

But his is big lol

[winged jacinth]

yet another reason this thing isnt good for anything... except maybe mass drivers

[nova scaffold]

so like 20mm HE is good for anti personal and AP is good for vehicle and cover

[storm jungle]

Its Brooks I got faith tbh, most "mid" he has gotten even arguably is the Lelith book imo and thats basically a novel for just eldar fans in general

[near wasp]

Elder corsairs following the Morningstar vox chatter some memory stuff I think idk man I'm at work and my brains melting from my audits

[dapper gyro]

Where is that from?

[winged jacinth]

did you know you can cheat the speed of sound problem with projectiles by using a medium with a higher speed of sound

[queen laurel]

it's Mike Brooks so at least it's guaranteed that the main faction will get a lot of good content

[storm jungle]

Thats just another one-shoot mention from her backstory

[queen laurel]

the secondary antagonist however

[storm jungle]

also what would old people pirates want with Brahms

[winged jacinth]

a device called a Ram Accelerator

[arctic talon]

da big Dakka

[storm jungle]

People like that book tbh

[arctic talon]

That’s his one actual bad book

Imo

[winged jacinth]

last i checked we hit muzzle velocity of mach 6 in air

[storm jungle]

I hated it

but im biased

[arctic talon]

And people have shit taste sometimes

[near wasp]

I hate auto correct

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

I found it infinitely worse then brutal kunning lol

[celest dome]

Ok maybe she is truly thinking it's gonna happen 💀

[arctic talon]

The writing in it is poor compared to his other work

[winged jacinth]

(which is about mach 1 in the final hydrogen/oxygen stoichiometric mix in the last section of the accelerator)

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

[arctic talon]

This is like every codex entry ever

Now go my necron scarabs

[queen laurel]

i love orks but that one is the definition of a turn off your brain book

[dapper gyro]

The thing in reality is that you need the volume of fire. Generally speaking, anything more than the 7.62x51 level of power is overkill for infantry. It is easy to be over kill, but it is hard to be efficient.

[rocky gale]

I like that each short story is it's own book and the whole thing is a case for it.

[storm jungle]

Forces are few-

[queen laurel]

brutal cunning has ulfthak strugglingstruggling

[winged jacinth]

if you want to get your bullet going REALLY fast you need a different pressure curve than a gun produces

[queen laurel]

in da big dakka

Not so much

[near wasp]

She's huffing glue man

[dapper gyro]

20mm HE can kill 1 person... but that's it. 1 hit, 1 kill. So can do .50cal, .338 and a bunch of other thing.

[nova scaffold]

it could be like a grenade launcher

[dapper gyro]

Where do you work?

[arctic talon]

My favorite Ork book is ghazkull prophet of the waaagh

I think that’s the best ork book by far

[winged jacinth]

this was an internship gig at the university of washington's aeronautics and astronautics department

[dapper gyro]

For hand held, you are not going to get any meaningful velocity or range.

[winged jacinth]

the gun is basically an evil ramjet engine

[dapper gyro]

Nice!

[nova scaffold]

is basically like a grenade launcher but more velocity

[winged jacinth]

dont the classic movie MGLs take 40mm grenades

[queen laurel]

that's just setting up an unbeatable standard

[arctic talon]

You’re goddamn right

[dapper gyro]

More velocity = more recoil and heavier barrel. Infantry will. Ot carry that.

[winged jacinth]

i know pintle mounted grenade launchers take 20mm but they usually do saturation fire

[rocky gale]

We may all seem like doofuses, but a surprising number of the regulars here are scientists

[summer mural]

ive been looking around the environment in dt maps, and so basically, the surface of atoma is like

[queen laurel]

when it comes to ork literature it's basically their version of The Infinite and the Divine

[nova scaffold]

im thinking like a thin wall minengeschoß where you can fit more

[summer mural]

completely sandy?

[crisp heath]

Grenade launchers have always puzzled me tbh

[dapper gyro]

Low pressure round, only accurate up to 300m and max range around 600m.

[arctic talon]

It’s better imo in terms of comparative quality

[winged jacinth]

energy scales with the square of velocity so the recoil from a round with twice the muzzle velocity (all else remaining equal) is 4x worse

[dapper gyro]

Even the 25mm on the XM25 was very bad.

[crisp heath]

When I think of a grenade launcher I think of terminator 3 in the graveyard scene 😅

Which is very unrealistic I'm pretty sure

[winged jacinth]

pretty fair considering its use cases and how accurately you're going to be able to target without wasting rounds on ranging

i mostly see them deploying specialist rounds not HE anyway

[dapper gyro]

25mm grenade doesn't even have enough payload to do anything meaningful for the weight and recoil it has.

[nova scaffold]

like currently the military is going for 30mm instead of 40

[crisp heath]

Smh

[queen laurel]

by the way have you read the newest grotsnik book?

[nova scaffold]

for more range

[crisp heath]

Noobtubes

[near wasp]

They will probably just continue to use .5.56

[winged jacinth]

wtf lol barrett is making a mag fed grenade rifle?

[dapper gyro]

Until it hit the field first...

[arctic talon]

yeah its good

[winged jacinth]

thats fuckin wild but also revolver style has the advantage of letting you pick the next round from a selection

[crisp heath]

Have you seen the aircraft carrier that big American Company showed the plans for

[arctic talon]

I think I drew this thing when I was a kid

[winged jacinth]

god we dont need more aircraft carriers much less bigger ones

[crisp heath]

It's a large plane w jets as like drones I kid you not

[arctic talon]

this should be much more mechanically simple no?

[dapper gyro]

There is the 40mm medium velocity, but that thing is also a questionable thing.

[arctic talon]

Its a fucking project wingman/Ace combat boss

lmao

[dapper gyro]

40mm high velocity is the big no go for hand held.

[winged jacinth]

oh shit i think i saw the soviets think of that in the 50s

[crisp heath]

Hahah yes its ridiculous lmao

[arctic talon]

its realistically an awful idea

lol

[crisp heath]

It's supposed to be able to take a country in a week

[winged jacinth]

for low pressure the seal process isnt terrible but it favors a traditional breech more and more the higher breech pressure gets

[arctic talon]

However its cool as shit tbh

[arctic talon]

I c

[winged jacinth]

thats why revolvers usually fire big fat rounds lol

[crisp heath]

I can't imagine the logistics to get this thing running

[dapper gyro]

See, you have a lot of imagination.

[queen laurel]

it's very deep for an ork book

[nova scaffold]

i thought i didn't

[queen laurel]

i would say it's second only to prophet of the wwwaaaagggghh

[dapper gyro]

Though, practicality is another exercise.

[winged jacinth]

remembering stories of ww1/2 rifle grenades and people breaking limbs firing them without seating them in the ground

like bro thats a mortar at that point lol

[celest dome]

American that stole ground grenade from the German

Not rifle grenades

[dapper gyro]

The 20mm AT in the 2nd WW was the 2nd most effective in terms of penetration, but the worst in practice. PTSD-41 was the one.

[crisp heath]

I think he means the ones that are mounted to rifles as like a launcher

[winged jacinth]

i thought the garand grenade was a leg breaker

[crisp heath]

You get one grenade iirc

[winged jacinth]

yeah they go on the muzzle and are propelled by a really high-load blank

[dapper gyro]

Those things have pretty strong recoil.

[winged jacinth]

do not fire these from your body!

[rocky gale]

Fire it away from your body so the recoil hits your enemy instead

[dapper gyro]

Rifle grenade is wild.

[vagrant fox]

Makes me think of the japanese knee mortar which under no circumstances you should fire braced on your knee

[crisp heath]

Yeah I dont think I'd like to shoot one of those

They look very easy to mess up

[winged jacinth]

theres a rifle grenade for M4 type rifles and it looks so dogshit lol

[dapper gyro]

People always underestimate the importance of velocity and the danger of recoil comes with kinetic projectiles.

[crisp heath]

I feel like it's kinda a shoot and hope for the best kinda thing 🤔

[winged jacinth]

its advertized as a door destroyer im pretty sure thats all it can do and it looks like the range is about 40 feet lol

[crisp heath]

Hope it goes where you point

[dapper gyro]

The long rod thing?

[winged jacinth]

yeah the GREM/simon

[crisp heath]

Oh they have way more range than 40m

[dapper gyro]

That they gave up on the 2000s because it doesn't do anything reliable...

[crisp heath]

It's just like rolling a d6 that's the problem

[winged jacinth]

yeah i guess this is farther than that

[dapper gyro]

But if it can't hit at 90 degrees, it is useless...

[crisp heath]

I didn't put that in to consideration

[winged jacinth]

he fires it with like a 10 degree tilt up and it hits with a 10 degree tilt down though lol

[dapper gyro]

Yes, the failure rate is so high.

[arctic talon]

bro they be using this shit

[winged jacinth]

love those things

[dapper gyro]

And as a breaching tool, the troops can't even stack outside.

[arctic talon]

what a stupid invention lol

Its goofy and funny

[crisp heath]

That's a stg isn't it

[vagrant fox]

Germans are very goofy people when they put their mind to it

[winged jacinth]

they basically spray shrapnel lol

[arctic talon]

its an STG with a barrel to "bend" shots

yeah

[dapper gyro]

Hey, if it worked, it is not stupid.

[arctic talon]

for urban warfare

it didn't work

[winged jacinth]

theres ones with less curve that work better but are also not useful because they're less curved lol

[dapper gyro]

I wrote "if".

[crisp heath]

The fallschrimjager used these didn't they?

[winged jacinth]

the 15 degree model almost works right but like, when do you need a 15 degree offset lmao

[crisp heath]

And regular stgs

Mp40s and rifles

[vagrant fox]

Didn't the bullets just shatter so it was a very short range bad shotgun

[winged jacinth]

yeah on the more bent ones

shotgun is generous even

[arctic talon]

more like hot shrapnel sprayer 9000

[vagrant fox]

Yeah thinking about the krummlauf, in the most loose definition of shotgun

[crisp heath]

The regular stg is a great rifle

[arctic talon]

which yeah that would hurt lol

but it wouldn't be deadly

[crisp heath]

Let's ignore the bent barrels

[winged jacinth]

the rounds lose most of their energy breaking into tiny bits lol

the 90 degree model is so amazing

its like a cartoon

who thought that would work

[crisp heath]

Any mg40-42 fans?

[winged jacinth]

mfs saw bugs bunny twist elmer fudd's gun back around and went "JA!"

[dapper gyro]

Could be a great rifle. Most of them turned out to be unreliable because of the unfinished design and manufacture planning.

[vagrant fox]

At least CornerShot works but it's kind of just a fancy pistol

[dapper gyro]

That curved barrel would be it worse for cycling rounds.

[winged jacinth]

corner shot just turns the whole gun lol

[crisp heath]

Ah I didn't know that

Guess the mp40 was more reliable

[winged jacinth]

like ofc it works its a swiveling pistol with a linkage to another trigger lol

[crisp heath]

I liked the bren guns I think ?

[vagrant fox]

Yeah, very simple

[crisp heath]

Iirc

British made to take German ammo great idea

[vagrant fox]

Madsen 1908 greatest weapon ever deviced still in use in brazilian favellas gods gift to man

[winged jacinth]

which, considering i imagine the recoil from a gun like that is impossible to control since its angular, why even bother with something bigger than a pistol

[crisp heath]

STEN

[winged jacinth]

god i bet it feels weird to shoot a cornershot

[crisp heath]

Not bren smh

Lmao

[rocky gale]

I love the Sten, more guns should have cool sideways handles

[dapper gyro]

Even the og AK was dogshit. It tooks the guy 10 years to figure it out how to make a stamped receiver.

[winged jacinth]

the sten was kinda sick
the sideways magazine was often uh, in the way of stuff unfortunately

[crisp heath]

Yeah aks not really a decent platform

[winged jacinth]

the AK is cheap and reliable and thats about all they optimized for lol

[crisp heath]

It might be now but it also depends where youare I think

[dapper gyro]

The AK Type4 / AKM was fielded in 1959.

[winged jacinth]

even now AK patterned guns are hit or miss on being good

[dapper gyro]

The OG AK, stampled steel, was from 1946.

[near wasp]

Pisses me off that people say the ak is based off the stg44, if you look at the action it's just an upside down m1 grand action

[winged jacinth]

the 74SU i think is notably shit

[crisp heath]

The ak and the stg are very different

[dapper gyro]

STG44 was also made of stampled steel for the receiver.

[winged jacinth]

they made that special forces AK with the tandem rounds that's cool but unreliable because its a russian attempt at kraut space magic

[dapper gyro]

It is only popular because it looks different and got the "first assault rifle" title.

[crisp heath]

Now I think on it are they that different?

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[vagrant fox]

They have a similar profile but the internals are different

afaik anyways

[crisp heath]

I feel like the Aks quite more advanced 🤔

[dapper gyro]

Different bolt design, different gas design, different about everything...

The only similarity is the requirement parameter, of having a light weapons, shooting something stronger than handgun round, but not as strong as rifle round.

Basically an "automatic carbine"

[crisp heath]

Do you have a favorite gun?

I like the Winchester 1897 lol

[near wasp]

My favorite gun is the ump

[winged jacinth]

i love guns where someone should have done more math before getting started on machining
the gyrojet is a good example

great idea in theory
does not hold up to the slightest scrutiny
builds it anyway

[dapper gyro]

I don't really have a favourite gun, as they are just tool for me. I like the tech behind them though.

[vagrant fox]

It's a hard choice between wooden furniture FN FAL or a MAS 49

[crisp heath]

Yeah we don't have them in my country really except shotguns or rifles so I get into guns

[winged jacinth]

like, compared to an equivalent cartridge they're going to carry the same propellant but the propulsion segment is going to make the projectile way heavier and its going to burn it a lot slower

[crisp heath]

The FAL is a nice weapon

[winged jacinth]

so you have a slow bullet and a slow bullet is an inaccurate one especially when MISALIGNING THE BULLET MISALIGNS THE ENGINE lmao

[dapper gyro]

If it is for military vs each other, I would take a C8A3/A4.

[crisp heath]

I like the classics tbh

Colt ect

[vagrant fox]

I often wonder how the HK G11 got as far as it did

[crisp heath]

303 Lee Enfields

[winged jacinth]

of all the gyrojet's flaws i think forgetting that the engine wont always be pointed perfectly at the target is probably the worst

[rocky gale]

I love the Vector

[winged jacinth]

the G11 was a concept weapon for caseless ammo wasnt it?

not really intended for mass production

[dapper gyro]

G11 was intended for mass production...

[winged jacinth]

oof

too much clockwork for that

[rocky gale]

and the fuckass pistol version

[vagrant fox]

Yeah, caseless ammo
The Bundeswehr meant to buy hundreds of thousands of them

[crisp heath]

Glock 11?

Oo nvm

Lol

[winged jacinth]

the vector is fun i like the modularity idea

and its very scifi

[dapper gyro]

If the Berlin wall didn't fall, that the unified German didn't have to look for a cheaper alternative... the G11 would have moved on.

[crisp heath]

I think your better off w higher calibre tbh

[winged jacinth]

yeah i dont think whatever it fires fares well against regular body armor?

[crisp heath]

I'm not to sure about these new smart guns

[winged jacinth]

which like, even for a bodyguard you have to worry about that

[dapper gyro]

G36 used AK bayonet because the Unified German didn't even know what to do with the extra AK bayonet.

[vagrant fox]

It'd be such a shit to field maintain it's wack

[winged jacinth]

SIR MEIN GUN HAS JAMMED CALL THE SWISS WATCHMAKER

[crisp heath]

Honestly we need to go back to rifles

There trustworthy

[winged jacinth]

from what i understand of the caseless ammo it doesnt really even need to be that complicated either lol

[crisp heath]

Rifles also give you so much choice in calibre

[winged jacinth]

last i checked the studies on if three round burst was actually a good thing were still duking it out did that ever settle

[vagrant fox]

purely for the aesthethics 100%

[winged jacinth]

single unified rounds are a logistical blessing you'd probably not issue multiple calibers

[dapper gyro]

Oh, that dumb miss conception about "shooting so fast that bullet stack on top of each other for more penetration"...

[winged jacinth]

hell the doomed sig contract was meant to have the pistol and assault rifle fire the same round

[crisp heath]

I know but the choice is there

[dapper gyro]

It was never capable of doing that more than 5m from the shooter.

[winged jacinth]

huh?? i thought it was "you'll get a decently tight grouping and probably hit at least once"

[crisp heath]

You could be shooting of elephant rounds if your shoulder can handle it

[dapper gyro]

Even the AN94, Russian space gun, can't do that.

[winged jacinth]

like microsaturation

[dapper gyro]

The now deleted Russian AK manufacturer channel admitted that, too.

[winged jacinth]

lol

[dapper gyro]

Yes, that's the actual goal.

[crisp heath]

The bullet grouping?

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[winged jacinth]

i cannot say i ever heard of anyone claiming 3 round or even the an94 2 round burst was meant to robin hood the bullets lol

[crisp heath]

I think we need to go back to bolt action

[winged jacinth]

no i might have heard it for the AN94

[dapper gyro]

Oh, in the 2000/2010s, people always say that on the internet...

[crisp heath]

Just my humble opinion

[winged jacinth]

since its whole gimmick was delaying recoil until it fired twice

[rocky gale]

But my favourite handgun has to be the Mateba MTR-8

Glorious

[vagrant fox]

It's pretty wack

[crisp heath]

It's so ugly 😭

[rocky gale]

It's so beautiful

[winged jacinth]

but in a traditional 3RB your barrel will categorically not be in the same place for each shot unless its clamped to a bench, and even then the previous rounds cause stress, flexing, and vibration etc

[dapper gyro]

https://archive.org/details/Kalashnikov_Group_Archive/Kalashnikov+Group/20190312_Two+bullets+in+one+hole+-+can+Nikonov+AN-94+do+that+Gun+Myths.+Part+5/Two+bullets+in+one+hole+-+can+Nikonov+AN-94+do+that+Gun+Myths.+Part+5.mkv

[queen laurel]

I am a big fan of shotguns but I have to go with the Franchi SPAS-12

[winged jacinth]

the gun is both fake and has a nonsense design but the Hero from blade runner is amazing

[queen laurel]

this is mainly because of left 4 dead

[dapper gyro]

Use the link, not the embed.

[queen laurel]

What can I say Mag dumping a tank was fun

[winged jacinth]

like why does the gun have a bolt it fires lasers lol

[dapper gyro]

It is the same reason that people say heavier gun = less recoil = easier to shoot...

[crisp heath]

The spas does the same thing the Winchester does

[winged jacinth]

heavier gun does = more inertia

[dapper gyro]

Heavier gun = when it kicks, you have harder time to correct your recoil.

[crisp heath]

Very scary lmao

[winged jacinth]

yeah it goes both ways

[crisp heath]

Hold the trigger down keep pumping

And the trench is clear

[winged jacinth]

in general it takes more energy to move a heavier gun

we dont have a giant brain emote

[nova scaffold]

hay i got lore question, in a scenario when quars are classified as abhumans and they are trustworthy enough to be in a regiments, which is pretty much the one they can get along well

[winged jacinth]

loregryn isnt strong enough for that sentence

[nova scaffold]

like out of all regiments in the imperium?

[winged jacinth]

quars would not be classified as abhumans but if they were most of the regiments are tolerant of abhumans

[dapper gyro]

Me shooting 40mm GMG, heavy gun = less recoil my ass.

[nova scaffold]

nice

note that many quars faction functions different

[storm jungle]

Abhumans are literally treated as subhuman scum by most regiments they get paired up with

[winged jacinth]

quars are not human descendants so they would not be abhumans lol

they would be, as they say, filthy xenos scum

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/savages-pocahontas-gif-5458002

all the way

[crisp heath]

I think someone would get offended by them and purge lmao

[storm jungle]

like, Im a broken record at this point

They are NAZIS.

They do not tolerate abhumans or aliens

[dapper gyro]

Imperium is racist... accept it.

[nova scaffold]

like easky will work vary well with steel legion due to both do the same tactics of true combined arms

[storm jungle]

[winged jacinth]

i mean the regiments seem to like their ogryns and ratlings

[storm jungle]

On the surface, most of the lore showcases to be not the case

[winged jacinth]

they do feed the ogryns pig slop but they dont seem to mind

[dapper gyro]

They only like them for your own advance.

Treating them as equal? Not so much.

[storm jungle]

ratlings are treated like shit because they just get pushed around/abused and just resort to stealing stuff from their "teammates" which only increases tension since ratlings are entirely aware of how much people hate them

ogryns are straight up manipulated so thats another can of worms lol

[queen laurel]

Dude I am telling this with all of my heart they are going to be treated like garbage

Like if they are not hostile first they would still be eradicated on site because they are not human they are classified as xenos

[winged jacinth]

abhuman tolerance is directly proportional to their usefulness

[queen laurel]

As abhumans are fairly human shaped or have identifiable human like traits from back then

[winged jacinth]

they can also do like, genetics still

[crisp heath]

Oh at the end of the day . You're different . Purge lol

[winged jacinth]

imperial genetics is almost stupidly advanced for how computer leery they are

they probably have gigantic "GENE COGITATORS" or something that do a bunch of the heavy lifting

[vagrant fox]

Just manipulate the genetics by feel like a proper admech

[winged jacinth]

and i guess the biggest genetic project in recent times was carried out by cawl who does not respect the computer rules one bit

[crisp heath]

I do gotta admit I like the quar vehicles

Tractors n stuff. neato 😎

[nova scaffold]

well in a best possible scenario if a inquisitor was saved by a assassin and hes not on meth so he somehow convinced Terra that the quars are actually just a long lost humans they completely forgot about

like a scenario

[crisp heath]

Imagine the lil quars going to trench crusade 😭

Oh man 😭

[winged jacinth]

isnt that waht they do?

[crisp heath]

Trench crusade is probably like warhammer on steroids lol

[nova scaffold]

i mean in quars defense, they are brave

[crisp heath]

Trench crusade is like warhammer dialed up to 11 with gross stuff

[nova scaffold]

basically like Xanax, Adderall and cocaine with holy water mixed

[winged jacinth]

nah at best you'd get the inquisitor pass and keep some in your retinue no way something that looks like that is not getting purged lol

the jokaero mostly get by on not talking

[crisp heath]

I listened to a audio book about Trench crusade last night and genuinely had to turn it off

[winged jacinth]

and also star prisms being... things

jokaero ships are by far my favorite 40k ships

they're presumably the actual Old One ships, i cant imagine why they wouldnt be considering their nature and capabilities

[dapper gyro]

Yes, but 40K is already cringe... Trench Crusade is even worse...

[crisp heath]

Yeah it's abit over the top lmao 😭

[nova scaffold]

yeah i don't like the people making it

[celest dome]

It need some maturing for sure

[crisp heath]

So edgy lmao

There like tryna measure there dicks w gw

[dapper gyro]

Kingdom death is also a very edgy one...

[nova scaffold]

and also stop making a slide show board on calling the critics terrible people because they criticize plot holes

[crisp heath]

I do like it tho ngl

Some of its pretty cool

I just uh stay away from the hell faction

[nova scaffold]

so yeah @winged jacinth besides the imperium being imperium

i wanna know like which regiments work the best

like tactical wise

my best bet is steel legion and easky

[dapper gyro]

Most top tier guards in 40k imperium are combined arms.

[nova scaffold]

yeah the one they can trust

but is usually rare

[dapper gyro]

Not that rare really

[crisp heath]

It's 4am why the kark am I still up

[nova scaffold]

i am curious on what a quar looking like in imperium uniform

like wearing flak armor

[tough haven]

They always make sure to make them pay for every slight though

eventually

[nova scaffold]

like they are assigned to be in the cadian or the Armageddon steel legion

they they look like

[tough haven]

Killed for being an abhorrent mutant

[nova scaffold]

bruh

how come ratlings are trustworthy since if they like you, they gonna cook the finest meal in yo life

[celest dome]

And they probably won't share

[outer wave]

Because they look human enough and are decent enough sharpshooters

[nova scaffold]

if you are a good friend

[dapper gyro]

I hate to say, but if Quar are with the guard, they would serve as vehicle decorations...

[nova scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-27477526

[outer wave]

Actually I think I should rephrase: ratlings arent decent enough shots, they're really good snipers

The Imperium would be foolish to kill them off, even if they have to tolerate their pickpocketing habits

[nova scaffold]

yeah

if they are useful and prove that they are loyal to the god emperor

also do a good job in combat

and probably import the tractors for the imperium as support

or build more leman russ

[tough haven]

The problem is its unlikely they'd even be given the chance

the imperium tends to shoot first and shoot second

and shoot third

and alright its probably dead now

[nova scaffold]

imagine they exterminated a xeno race but they realize to late that they have a method to close the warp and now they can't do it

[dapper gyro]

Imagine? It is like that all of the time.

[nova scaffold]

they could've hear them out and forever close the warp for good?

[tough haven]

Yeah thats pretty much the norm

[tough haven]

There was actually a scene like this

An eldar farseer was about to perform a ritual that would kill off one of the chaos gods

and space marines stopped them

[dapper gyro]

The imperium is too arrogance and too paranoid to consider that.

[tough haven]

saying they would rather live in a universe taken by chaos than aid the xenos

[crisp heath]

😭 😂

[nova scaffold]

roboute guilliman would be absolutely pissed

[crisp heath]

Man the imperium sucks

[nova scaffold]

like it is one less work

and now hes stuck with more work

[tough haven]

anyone got that excerpt?

[celest dome]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/g8ihxs/that_time_deathwatch_saved_slaanesh/

[neat zenith]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6uoLUPc/

[tough haven]

Accurate

[nova scaffold]

what chances they got, they lose to Nordic drunk furries in power armor 😭

imagine it lost to a quar

like just gets a chronic case of Ls

like tf they gonna do when they are outnumbered 10 billion to 1

[median star]

300 to their 600million w no deaths off the top of my head id assume if you dug deeper theirs even more absurd number match ups

[nova scaffold]

had you ever witnessed a huge L for grey knights

like its just absolutely embarrassing

[green loom]

Assuming the custards are at full strength(they aren't) and that they're all there in the same place(they aren't), or that the sisters of silence are there(they aren't)
This is still Malcadors pet project, it goes to reason they have a few score tricks up their sleeves to deal with stuff

[nova scaffold]

still you haven't accounted the near bottomless amount of guardsmen

[green loom]

Irrelevant metric since the palace guard are notoriously useless

[nova scaffold]

like one is basically like pissing on prime Mike Tyson

but eventually enough of it can kill him

like basically a water tower of it fell on him

like absolutely gone

[green loom]

And they'd just go passed them anyway, it's not like normal humans are capable of getting near the throne

[cedar otter]

Even prime Mike Tyson fell to the lex

[nova scaffold]

get folded

[median star]

the imperium doesnt usually take losses kindly ( theyll just come back later or if they think its to much a hassle blow you up from orbit)

[nova scaffold]

if they lose

just triple it and use 5k Titans

or thousand bane blade as good measure

just to make sure

i wanna know whos the best cook

a Gwynt Cook

vs

halfling cooks

like who here is the best chef

[dapper gyro]

It is always too over the top for it to make sense.

Even if the SM can take on 6G troops, in a matter of hours? Nah, you lost the plot there.

It is like when Santa delivery gift to every child in the world.

[nova scaffold]

deinocamo

who you think is better cooks

[median star]

built diff

[dapper gyro]

I don't eat ants, so I will go with ratlings.

[nova scaffold]

their is more then ants in quar

like they got eggs from a bug that is basically a chiken

because birds dont exist