40k-lore-chat

[celest willow]

ok but am not saying look at it from a real life perspective bc if we did bro is hitler times X10000 am talking from a story telling perspective

[dire loom]

That's pretty much Warhammer 40k when it comes to humanity vs humanity, loyalist vs traitors, order vs chaos.

Bright Lord, Dark Lord.

Same thing really.

[green loom]

Well I mean no

[dire loom]

[green loom]

From a story telling perspective he's a murderous inhuman monster hellbent on "saving humanity" because he has a fairly pronounced god complex

Perturabo got it from SOMEONE

[celest willow]

yeah but there are layers

also for the record am not defending the emperor

[rocky gale]

Goes well with the Ushoran Limited edition

[celest willow]

am just saying he is a complex character

[celest dome]

Yes, he is that the whole point

[arctic talon]

looks better then the Ushoran one imo

I'm not sure why

ig the lighting

[dire loom]

True, but sometimes a meme too.

Warhammer 40k good source of entertainment.

But I guess that's the point.

[celest willow]

I will make humanity ascend no matter the cost isnt a good ideology it understandable to want the best for your species but being a tyrant who burns those who oppose you is unholy levels of wrong some of the emperors actions seem like necessary evils while others are just proof of his stubborn arrogance while yes he is selfless for the sake of humanity he uses that as a excuse for his self righteousness

EXHALEE

[dire loom]

I do Sah, that still counts as one.

Would be funny

[arctic talon]

We can't make stormcast eternals in 40k unfortunately

[rocky gale]

So I can take this with either Cities or Slaves to Darkness

[arctic talon]

because we already have order warriors Space Marines

[arctic talon]

Huh, neat

[celest willow]

in others words he is neither 100 percent evil nor 100 percent good yes he is mostly evil tho

[dire loom]

It's only a matter of time. It has been written.

[celest willow]

huh?

[dire loom]

Unless Big E becomes Dark King.

[storm jungle]

You're fired 🫡

[rocky gale]

Perfect coincidence that my 3 armies happen to be Flesh Eaters Courts, Cities of Sigmar and Slaves to Darkness

[arctic talon]

GW loves you

its clear obviously

Stormcast Eternals don't work in 40k because we already have Stormcast Eternals in 40k in essence

They got made as a foil to chaos warriors

in AoS

[dire loom]

Remember the moto, if it's bad and you don't like it or think it's meme etc. Then GW will do it.

Follow the money bread trail. Always leads back to GW.

[celest dome]

We got new RoR ?

[celest willow]

say would would happen if chaos one and was unified

[arctic talon]

Shame the original round of stormcast eternal minis were uh

not good imo

[median star]

eternal mention

[arctic talon]

well, some of them were

[celest willow]

like if everyone suddenly became a khorne worshipper or something

[arctic talon]

but most of them looked awful tbh

[dire loom]

Most people are simple folk such as myself sahs. People like cool edgelord stuff. War and death fun in game.

That's literally Warhammer 40k

[celest dome]

Did somewhat deserve the Groundmarine name

[arctic talon]

nah

They just had TOO much detail lol

[rocky gale]

Yep, can be taken any Death faction, Kharadon, Cities and STD

[celest dome]

Is it the only one ?

[rocky gale]

Looks like it

[arctic talon]

there is such thing as too much detail

and GW fuckin hit it

imagine being the poor eavy metal painter who gets told

yeah edge highlight this

[dire loom]

Yeah, I didn't like em.

[celest willow]

how do people even paint these

damn

[arctic talon]

very carefully

jokes aside the level of detail on the original batch of stormcasts is insane

[celest willow]

neurosurgeon hobby

[arctic talon]

and while they look really cool in art, the minis are too overcrowded

[dire loom]

They could have gone with the World of Warcraft root.. but nope.

Remember the Hero Arthas?

Hero turned edgelord done right IMHO.

[arctic talon]

idk Stormcast look good after their like

1.5e wave

[dire loom]

Darth Vader is another good example.

GW failed us

[arctic talon]

2e and 3e stormcast are banging

[dire loom]

Not for me Sah

Once the people who like it die of old age, you'll see.

Ends up becoming more popular with the new generations of fans anyways

[languid meadow]

god nighthaunt always look so good

[dire loom]

That's if Warhammer/Warhammer 40k still around etc.

[arctic talon]

Warhammer 40k and AoS are

unlikely to die

[storm jungle]

It probably will be

because like

GW arent grognards and know when to change/shakeup the setting

Warhammer has survived as long as it did because it changes and adheres to the public without being bad about it.

(contary to the belief of some chuds )

[rocky gale]

New Stormcast much better

[storm jungle]

them basically just being Good Guy chaos warriors is a better aesthetic ye

[dire loom]

Then my Dark King Warhammer 50k is canon then, Sah.

[languid meadow]

see sometimes I wish 40k could get sculpts like this but then I realized 40k fans deserve nothing

[storm jungle]

the more tall human proportions also help

[arctic talon]

Stormcast getting human proportions

in 2e was great

thank fuck lol

[storm jungle]

god I remember saying this once here, and I think it was that dumbass eternal who was like

"uhm akshually its completely different aesthetics "

[arctic talon]

I think both should get good sculpts

because I like both

[languid meadow]

I love the Charnel Watch

[storm jungle]

Shoutout to the undead baboons on the right

[arctic talon]

the edge highlighting torment nexus

[dire loom]

Me too, Sah.

[arctic talon]

god the original stormcast wave did not look good lol

[green loom]

12d knee pads

[dire loom]

Ugh.. gotta clock back in....

[rocky gale]

Putting Warcry squads into every Spearhead was an unexpected move

[dire loom]

[arctic talon]

I'd assume they weren't selling the best

tbh

mostly because GW doesn't FUCKING ADVERTISE WARCRY

[dire loom]

Well, whatever they do. I just hope it's not Age of Sigmar 2.0.

The floating continents plus flat earth stuff was cringe. IMHO

The factions were cool though

More than just token chaos as the bad guys etc.

[nova scaffold]

i trued to paint skin tone for the first time

i hate it already

[storm jungle]

🫡

[dire loom]

10/10

[arctic talon]

Idk the planes being flat is funny as hell lol

[dire loom]

[arctic talon]

the elemental planes being flat but planets not being flat is fucking hilarious

like Round celestial bodies exist and are common

but not the fucking elemental planes

[nova scaffold]

some night lords just stole someone ass skin and graft it to someone face

yeah my kyndryl goes well for not being a great print

drunk driving

[celest dome]

HC, the elemental planes are rounds, but so big that and chaotic that it's impossible to travel to the side of it

[arctic talon]

well no ones reached the end of it Yet

there's also some level of curviture to the planes explictly

they're not actually flat

[nova scaffold]

yoo

@arctic talon

hru

[celest dome]

Honestly would love some game where you're playing as some people from the Cities trying to explore out in the wilderness in any of the Realm

[raven stone]

Not exactly lore but this new cabinet just so happens to fit the main 4 boxes of things I need for the hobby (unassembled stuff, paints, or extra bit anyways)

Hoping this will make me more active on the miniatures front

[arctic talon]

Neat

[dire loom]

Boss ain't looking, time to text.

Reminds me of the spies

[dire loom]

It's good Sah

[nova scaffold]

no one keeps this channel exactly the name sake

[dire loom]

Or let us play as the other bad guys in a triple AAA action game like Space Marines 2 and or Darktide but from Chaos or Traitor POV with full coop story campaign etc.

[dire loom]

No Sah, I meant my IRL boss.

[nova scaffold]

srry

[dire loom]

It okay fren

[nova scaffold]

yay :D

[nova scaffold]

how you rate my painting skill

[radiant lance]

If Kirby ate the Emperor, what powers would Kirby gain?

And would the Imperium be fucked after?

[nova scaffold]

poyo

[nova scaffold]

fun fact: quars do have glasses and it be like these

whats the glasses look like in Warhammer?

[storm jungle]

Glasses.

tbh

[nova scaffold]

i thought its just a metal box crammed in your eye socket

[storm jungle]

thats bionics

glasses still exist

[nova scaffold]

what they look like

[storm jungle]

just glasses

[nova scaffold]

thats the interesting question

Ray bands still exist

[storm jungle]

Too 21st century

[nova scaffold]

i mean the 1911 do canonically exist

[dire loom]

Flawless Sah, 5 stars.

[nova scaffold]

;D

[storm jungle]

thats rogue trader

which is like severely outdated

[fervent gull]

In which priority does chaos gods unleash their daemon legions?

[storm jungle]

[fervent gull]

Or in wherever they can?

[storm jungle]

Depends on the warzone, plot, narrative etc

[fervent gull]

Damn good emoji

[storm jungle]

big daemon legions usually get unleashed when like a planet is halfway/starting to go completely Warp'y

[fervent gull]

Btw dilara, do you use d11 on dt?

[storm jungle]

Uhhh i dont know that stuff

[fervent gull]

Alr

[fervent gull]

What happens usually on that stage?

Like do we have marines on the ground at that point?

[arctic talon]

Well the planets usually fucked at that point

But marines if they’re available will be present

[storm jungle]

Marines cant be everywhere

[arctic talon]

Beyond that the planet gets increasingly fucked

lol

[storm jungle]

literally every warzone is a ton of factors lol

[arctic talon]

Reality starts falling apart at the seems

[storm jungle]

lemme get one example from the chaos daemons codex

[fervent gull]

Also is there a case banana boys fighting daemons in the crusade?

[fervent gull]

Time to read some firsthand suffering

Brb

[nova scaffold]

ngl i really like these glasses

[lament shoal]

The humble exterminatus:

[nova scaffold]

its practical and adorable

[lament shoal]

Why the long face?

[nova scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/anteater-sniffing-bumi-nose-gif-6301658268298609478

btw they are ant eaters btw

[storm jungle]

@fervent gull Also actually my bad, MUCH BETTER example of a escalating daemonic invasion

[fervent gull]

Sound terrible af

[storm jungle]

This one is worse

take a gander

[queen laurel]

orks and demons in one world?

[fervent gull]

Was toreus invaded by khorne's lackeys?

[queen laurel]

boy that is about to look like a funny battle ground

[storm jungle]

Chaos Undivided

so a mix of all 4 gods daemons

[fervent gull]

It sounds like a khorne infested planet ngl

[storm jungle]

this one though is solely khorne

[fervent gull]

Best pit fighting arena galaxy has ever seen

I would pay to see that

[dire loom]

It has picture

[storm jungle]

[fervent gull]

Lemme see

[radiant lance]

Is there a book of a human world that's only as technologically advanced as modern day?

[lament shoal]

There is that one daemon hunting ork warboss and his crew who earned the favor of Khorne and was granted the privilege of fighting his generals for all of eternity in his domain lol

[storm jungle]

Warhammer Crime probably

[dire loom]

Don't know wot square box with letters are doing blocking picture, but good art Sah.

[storm jungle]

[fervent gull]

Yeah dont remember his name but awesome story

Just imagine, we get that waaaghs experiences in a game

Fighting daemons

Sick

[tough haven]

Cool

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[nova scaffold]

i wonder

out of abhumans

whats the best

[fervent gull]

What is the fate of that planet now?

[nova scaffold]

like the ones you really want to be with

[fervent gull]

Dow winter assault scenario but daemons instead of chaos SMs

Hoping IG wins

[dire loom]

Ogryn

[storm jungle]

Its fucked

[nova scaffold]

yus

[fervent gull]

Or felines

[storm jungle]

and everyone on it is probably gonna die and get sucked into the warp

lol

[fervent gull]

Can daemons fully exterminate a waaagh?

[nova scaffold]

no

[fervent gull]

Like cutting down all regenerative capabilities

[storm jungle]

yes

[fervent gull]

[storm jungle]

Daemons can be killed but they are still pretty much endless

[fervent gull]

Wait

You got my question wrong

The ones exterminated will be orks

In my question

[storm jungle]

Yeah, daemons can do it

[fervent gull]

Awww

[storm jungle]

again

theres no one faction that can steamroll the other

it all depends on the plot/setting

[fervent gull]

Gw writing

[storm jungle]

I mean it works

[queen laurel]

Yeah even the necrons

[storm jungle]

people play these armies lol

[queen laurel]

especially the necrons

[nova scaffold]

robo skeletons

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1404183670096662719/529310081_24073003702384838_6837436280968773044_n.jpg?ex=689a4373&is=6898f1f3&hm=e16a42da9148f4f51a558abf1b70ade8c39da57d37b85ddbcfbd7cf1af3252e0&=&format=webp&width=1376&height=905

[nova scaffold]

lmao

[nova scaffold]

hay @arctic talon

[arctic talon]

What

[nova scaffold]

you got a fav fictional vehicles

[arctic talon]

Not really

At least not in the forefront of my mind

[nova scaffold]

to me is either a kyndryl

or a ikyrh

because they are awesome

practically?

questionable

[queen laurel]

welp i shall now give you the name Quar man

[nova scaffold]

coolness

hell yeah

[nova scaffold]

john quar

[queen laurel]

seriously i have not seen you talk anything else but Quar in this chat

for the last 30 minutes

[nova scaffold]

in the grim darkness.
there is only quar

in quarhammer quartyk

[nova scaffold]

is because i really love it

its like warhammer but bit grounded and it wont bully you for being poor

like its nothing like you seen before

[nova scaffold]

like for example the ikyrh is absolutly unique and just standing out

have you seen other wargame that looks close to it or its one of the kind

for me its just cool

like its not practial and will get absolutly ripped apart by warhammer shit

after all a space marine will punt a quar like a football

[queen laurel]

well i'm more of a fantasy sci-fi guy so more grounded stuff like that very rarely appeals for me

the one true exception i can say is trench crusade

Oh and also iron harvest

[nova scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/chogie-spags-ugly-white-dog-chogie-kick-chogie-flwgc-gif-23274966

[nova scaffold]

so yeah how you think of quar

like in general with diff factions

[queen laurel]

I mean I'm not saying quar is a bad setting if I was you would hear it from me very straightforward

[nova scaffold]

if you want i can show you where you find the loor

lore

the pdf is free in wargame altantic and zombesmith

for free

sadly the current ones is somewhat outdated but the new one will be out at the end of this year

[queen laurel]

just give me the faction that specialises in crushing you with big weapons and vehicles because it seems every single infantry looks like well whatever a quar is

[nova scaffold]

https://zombiesmith.com/western-iron-pdf/?searchid=26545&search_query=western+

heres the lore for free

you got diff factions and units

btw the infantrys are usually called "rhyflers

[queen laurel]

Which one specializes in deploying massive war machines

just give me that and i will be happy

[nova scaffold]

well is crusaders

they are good at utilized in logistic and revolutionary tactics

they got the baeliog

its a heavy anti fortication/infantry support

its basically the strongest tank

[celest dome]

Iron Harvest/Scythe is such a fun setting

[nova scaffold]

it has a 182mm howitzer with so much high explosive that it straights up obliterated enemy tanks

basically its the most feared tank in the crusader service

[queen laurel]

looks like an extremely fat kv-2

i love it

[nova scaffold]

its basically it is

but somehow terrifying

[nova scaffold]

fun fact, its a entire 2 stories apartment building

[dire loom]

[nova scaffold]

its massive because its built around the siege gun

[crystal forum]

tracks make no sense

shape is still just a box

L model

[queen laurel]

i'm a fan of the impractical wasteful construction of the Rustviet

[nova scaffold]

can you fit this in a bt 7?

[crystal forum]

the model is boring

[nova scaffold]

WHY IT HAS BIG ASS FARM TOOLS

[crystal forum]

it's called style

or, fun

[celest dome]

I love the Nordic styke mech

[nova scaffold]

ngl its goofy and i like it lol

[celest dome]

Make me think of Supreme Commander, where you had a faction that was able to construct Naval ships and then upgrade them to have legs

[queen laurel]

SHM-69 Serp is 1 giant impractical killing machine designed to slice open max and melee even though it's freaking slow

but since many mechs are also slow does the job fine

[nova scaffold]

so yeah want a wack ass design

you got the krassyl

its literally a building sized motorcycles

[queen laurel]

That's nice but USA has airships

[crystal forum]

first interesting tank design you have posted

[nova scaffold]

is basically a escort/recon

[crystal forum]

the name is funny

the doohikey

[celest dome]

Tbf, every faction have them in the expansion iirc

[nova scaffold]

like is orginally from lower barro but after tok annexed it

[queen laurel]

yes but only america has access to original airships

their entire strength is they dominate the sky

[nova scaffold]

the contraption

[queen laurel]

As a matter of fact it's quite a strong point for the game to emphasize their superiority

[nova scaffold]

hay want a tank that is a entire apartment building for nomads

[languid meadow]

RAAAAAAAH I LOVE IRON HARVEST

https://tenor.com/view/iron-harvest-gif-24481240

[celest dome]

It's Iron Harvest only no ? Don't remember how they worked in Scythe

[nova scaffold]

here is the telu-harn iron house

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-harvest-gif-24481243

[languid meadow]

we never got Albion so I rep Saxony

[celest dome]

Scythe/Iron Harvest deserve some more games.

• Warhammer style TT
• Battlefield 1 but the vehicle are mechs and the Juggernaught
• A Story game following one of the hero

[nova scaffold]

the telu-harn is so massive that it constantly violate the laws of war of no destruction of private civilian property but its so massive that it constantly rans over the houses

imagine coming back to your house after a battle and you realized your house got pancaked because the weaponized apartment building building

[dire loom]

[nova scaffold]

how you think @queen laurel

[queen laurel]

well i can certainly say the style is unique but i don't hate it

i'm quite fond of it

[queen laurel]

USA is basically unbeatable when it comes in the air

[nova scaffold]

is from the western arnayans which they are unique because they dont live in towns due to western arnayan is unlivable due to the soil is terrible for growing crops but they solved it by having a moving towns and like a nomads

[languid meadow]

Scythe/Iron Harvest art is unmatched

[nova scaffold]

you got the daen fen gun house which is the smaller tanks they got

[nova scaffold]

dem long legs

[nova scaffold]

anyways they are basically escort tanks

also they usually called a group of western arnaryan tractor "trains"

[celest dome]

Imagine playing those in a Battlefield game

[dire loom]

Just like IRL Sah

[nova scaffold]

heres a bit of the lore i like which is
"Caravan Ba’ku - Caravan Ba’ku was formed with the sole mission of hunting RCEF
units that have gone to ground in the Elghmore Valley. The RCEF and their partisan
allies completely disrupted the lines of supply to the Foskyldae front lines. Ba’ku is
comprised of veteran Arnyaran tractor crews and is almost entirely equipped with
Daen-fen gun houses and a supply train laden with fuel and ammunition to support
the caravan in the field for extended combat operations. The Foskyldae is building
several other similar caravan sized units to punch holes in the RCEF blockade to
deliver much needed supplies to the Arnyaran front."

so yeah is peak

[lament shoal]

I still want an imperial guard fps styled like a battlefield game

[opaque pumice]

who are the bikers that the Ultramarines fight in the secret level episode?

[hexed orchid]

They seem to be Tzeentch cultists

[queen laurel]

just chaos cultist using bikes

they tend to steal imperial equipment and use it for their own

[opaque pumice]

no sorcery?

[hexed orchid]

The grunts don't get the good stuff

[opaque pumice]

fair enough

[arctic talon]

Tzeentch/chaos cultists

likely tzeentch due to the priestess/cult leader at the end

[dapper gyro]

Steampunk ww1/2 is tight.

[radiant lance]

Who's better in bed:
Fulgrim or Sanguinis

[rocky gale]

Classic Baltimore

[rocky gale]

Sanguinius

[paper haven]

Current form or 30k form?

[spare osprey]

I doubt current sangy would be too great

[celest willow]

the HELL is a star child

[celest willow]

I unironically crush over Sanguinius

[nova scaffold]

i can't find the original vid

[arctic talon]

Not just a pillow princess, bro is a sarcophagus one

[arctic talon]

The emperor cut out everything that was left of his morality, ethics, empathy, Ect. And tossed it into the warp

The star child is the hypothetical shard birthed from it

[wet sandal]

mfw i see something leave the torpedo tubes towards earth

[opaque coyote]

Y'know

Honestly

I always thought that some cruelty squad stuff would make complete sense to have in 40k

Like the fucking intestine grappling hook

...that comes out of your arm for some reason

[paper haven]

Don't think about it

[vagrant fox]

Something the deldar would cook up

[nova scaffold]

@opaque coyote good question

[opaque coyote]

I mean tbh that's basically cruelty squad in a nutshell

The fucking cruise engines run using a biological engine mold of human meat

[nova scaffold]

so if you go to zombiesmith and you go to 15mm and you see sections

https://zombiesmith.com/easky-rhyfler-section-1

like this

[opaque coyote]

And also they make sex slaves that are literally faceless, with their flesh deformed, and despite not having a mouth. They constantly just

Scream

[nova scaffold]

a sections is 26 quars per 15 bucks

[opaque coyote]

Also if they die, explode into poisonous gas.

[nova scaffold]

and i wonder how much i can buy untill i mentally break the guy making it

like zombiesmith is literally run by 1 guy

so i wonder how much orders it takes to mentally break the guy from ordering it

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-cigarettes-the-orville-bortus-500-cigarettes-gif-12658448946227274013

[dire loom]

@opaque coyote you're always around and active here. I have a question. What are Necron ships made out of?

Could I reverse engineer the ship?

[opaque coyote]

Necrodermis.

Basically equivalent to the metal that the T-1000 uses

Everything the Necron makes uses it

[dire loom]

Nice

Very interesting honestly.

[opaque coyote]

This also includes regenerative properties as well

[storm jungle]

You cannot reverse engineer it no

[opaque coyote]

Which is why Necrons are infamously hard to kill

[storm jungle]

especially at that massive of a scale

[dire loom]

Besides rogue trader, do you guys think we'll get more Chaos POV games in the future eventually?

[storm jungle]

Probably not.

[opaque coyote]

Hopefully yes

Probably not

[storm jungle]

Non-imperial POV games are a rarity

[opaque coyote]

[dire loom]

Damn, Owlcat really is my only hope then. Lol

[opaque coyote]

Despite the fact that even if they could only write a human perspective they got so many opportunities

Why

[dire loom]

Looking forward to Dark Heresy.

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

The Imperials are the protagonists

also money

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262311186351788113/1296045943849750539/in-light-of-recent-news-kazotsky-kick-burnice-v0-ok2zvyr6hxud1.gif

[vagrant fox]

Owlcat came to me in my dreams and promised me a black crusade game

[paper haven]

I believe it

[vagrant fox]

I object to these skulls

[vagrant fox]

anyway watch cawl reverse engineer necrodermis sometime soon

[storm jungle]

he'll put his Mary Suegneering talents to use

[paper haven]

Clearly Cawl is both balanced and objective in his research

[opaque coyote]

My favorite

Cawl moment

Too based for this galaxy smh

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/so-what-agree-maybe-columbo-gif-18453480

[dapper gyro]

It is closer to the mecha Godzilla metal from the Netflix show... But it is kind of obscure.

[opaque coyote]

Never watched it

But the T-1000 is probably the more popular example

Especially since Necrons can do the same shit

Including making swords

Except idk

Uh

Melting into a puddle

They can't do that

Although now I kinda wish there was a Necron soldier like that

[dapper gyro]

It's not great.

[paper haven]

Necrodermis is weird

[sour hornet]

Give me an eldar game and I will go out on GWs behalf and personally explode every 40k fan animator on the planet.

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[summer mural]

how competent is the average arbitrator anyway

like are they better at combat than a good guardsman

[sour hornet]

They are trained alongside Tempestus Scions, Commissars and Sororitas.

So yes, very very much better.

Arbites are often used by other factions of the Imperium as capture teams for very dangerous targets that need to be brought in alive. So they are ferocious combatants in general, though slanted for close quarters combat.

[paper haven]

Non lethal tempestus scions

As I imagine them

[summer mural]

so arbitrators arent the actual cops right

those are just generic enforcers

[sour hornet]

Arbitrators are more like the FBI and IRS. They hold the overarching Imperial law above planetary law, which is below their concern.

Enforcers are the actual cops.

[sacred ginkgo]

*less than lethal

[sour hornet]

They care about the Tithe, the entire planet's manufactorum quota, etc.

[sour hornet]

50-50.

They carry bolters and use them often.

[summer mural]

do militarum psykers get trained at the schola

who trains them anyway

[sour hornet]

Yes

The 'Scholastica Psykana'

is the psyker school

for militarum wyrdvane and primaris psykers

other psykers train them

some schools are overseen by the ecclesiarchy for good measure

they basically just fuckin torture the psyker for multiple years

while also adding hexagrammic wards, tattoos, circuitry, etc all for warp protection

the thinking is

if you break under training, you'll break in combat

so they ramp up the training to make sure you can hold your own unsupported

militarum psykers aren't soul-bonded to the Emperor like astropaths, they are completely on their own

100% of the time, day and night, for the rest of their lives, and the slightest slip up at any point could kill them and everyone they know

[tough haven]

I thought some primaris psykers are soul bound

Depending on strength

[sour hornet]

What makes primaris psykers primaris is that they aren't soul bonded, which weakens your psychic capabilities.

Weaker wyrdvane psykers might be, but I still doubt it.

[opaque coyote]

I would say generally better

Than like a Guardsman from planet #193911

The famous ones like cadians are probably better in skill if they're a vet

But they still got shittier gear

In general it's a bit hard to compare since they generally have different priorities

[tough haven]

Wouldn’t it be prudent to bind the stronger psykers?

[opaque coyote]

Maybe, but powerful Psykers can do a lot

Just don't have them be possessed by daemons

[tough haven]

I thought soul bonding strengthened your psychic powers by allowing you to push further safely

Unrelated question, when a WAAAAGH! Krumps a planet, do they often occupy it? Or do all the orks pack up for the next scrap?

I imagine a pretty solid number of orks stay or are left behind just by how they reproduce

And probably settle on the planet to make it Orky

[sour hornet]

Your line of thinking is correct—the Imperium nulls and bleeds off some of their power with cranial and spinal implants. But they do not soul bind them.

[crisp heath]

They keep looking for the fight I'm pretty sure

[sour hornet]

Strong primaris psykers are the most powerful mortal psykers you will see outside of the the Inquisition.

They are also way more numerous, ao you do not want to necessarily weaken them.

They are rigorously tortured to be mentally resilient, if often incredibly antisocial, and thus have no need for the procedure.

[sour hornet]

It allows weaker, less powerful psykers a certain level of safety from the warp, in exchange for weakening their psychic abilities and blinding them.

[dapper gyro]

Frontline psykers come in many flavours for different jobs. There can be as many as 1 psyker per guard company.

[opaque coyote]

I feel like being anti social would actually weaken your mind

But hey I'm not John Warhammer

[sour hornet]

The psykers are antisocial also because they are subject to the same bigotry unsanctioned psykers are subjected to.

The training leaves them anti-social in the "seclude myself in my sanctum and cover myself in purity seals for sanctity" kind of way

[summer mural]

whos the head of the arbites

hes that guy thats on the council

i forgot his name

[opaque coyote]

Ah yes, I do the same

Except I am not a Psyker

I'm just depressed

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-gif-13250124

[sour hornet]

Grand Provost-Marshal

hes on the high council of terra

[summer mural]

is he a named character with a cool backstory

[sour hornet]

There are multiple

its a title

But most of them are Johnny Hardass judge dredd types

[summer mural]

do they have an actual courtroom

or do they do everything on the spot

you know, judge jury executioner type thing

[dapper gyro]

Arbites are very 1 dimensional.

[sour hornet]

Both.

They will take you back to the fortress to await trial, just as often as they will proscribe your death sentence before blasting you.

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/судья-дредд-judge-dredd-фильм-1995-фантастика-gif-1678416020870873939

[sour hornet]

It depends on if your crime warrants death, or needs to be actually prosecuted.

[dapper gyro]

Or they spend a few decades, then kill your descendants because of your crime.

[sour hornet]

Like high-scale planetary fraud will likely result in execution, but it is more important to keep you alive to testify how deep the fraud runs before killing you.

[summer mural]

are they known for using dogs

like is it a thing with arbitrators

[dapper gyro]

Investigation takes time, sometimes even century, with the case passed down over different judges.

[summer mural]

well

as far as imperium organizations go

my fav is still officio assassinorum

those assassins are wild

and their gear is absolutely insane

[opaque coyote]

Honestly now I wanna see like

A Heist story but 40k

A group of desperate hivers try to break open a Noble's vault

And steal some shit

Payday 2 style

[sour hornet]

Yeah

all the time, though a bit over exposed in darktide

the dogs are tools, used for specific work, most arbitrators will go without one like 80% of the time

[summer mural]

Figured

I hope they do skitaari next for dt

[arctic talon]

The assassinorum is batshit insane lol

[ruby rock]

Guys, importent Lore question:
Who is John Necron, Trayzn or the silent King?

[outer wave]

I have no idea who you mean by John Necron, so I assume its just a meme name for the Necrons as a whole.

Trayzn the Infinite is a particular necron that has a knack of collecting weird and interesting things from the galaxy, from various races in a fight to ancient tech of long dead civilizations. He's known for stealing interesting knick knacks for the purposes of preserving culture within his exhibition.

The Silent King was the ruler of all necrotyr before they were turned into necrons, and has only recently returned from his self-exile to the galaxy to IIRC help fend off the tyranids.

[celest dome]

If John Warhammer is just a Guardsman, then John Necron is just a Necron Warrior

If John Warhammer is the Emperor, then it's the Silent King

[paper haven]

Just a silly guy

[outer wave]

Yeah likely just a generic necron warrior

[celest dome]

1 joke I wouldn't mind seeing dead

[outer wave]

I dont hate it, but its a bit repetitive

Its not the "I NEED TWO BOLTERS FOR THIS HERESY" kinda meme whenever someone puts up anything vaguely anime

[surreal nest]

god i fucking hate that shit

90% of the time its space marine 2 players drooling over their unfunny memes that they think are lore accurate

[outer wave]

Yeah its pretty bleh

[summer mural]

So

What happened to brunt

[outer wave]

Its just an unfunny joke from 2 decades ago

[summer mural]

Also iirc there was some business about there being a spy

[surreal nest]

I constantly see space marine 2 players try to complain about lore and then not knowing the lore but still being up in arms, like the salamander skin for sniper

mfs actually think its not lore accurate for a salamander to not have a flamer give me a break

[outer wave]

Brunt had a bit of my blunt, then decided he wanted to go down planetside through the front. Brahms wasnt too nice to him, kind of a cunt

[summer mural]

Whoa

Like really?

[outer wave]

No

[summer mural]

[outer wave]

LMAO

I just wanted to make a rhyme

[outer wave]

I havent really interacted or seen the SM2 fanbase, so cant say much, but they're kinda quiet over here at least

[summer mural]

Also

Does grendyl even exist

[grim adder]

Yesn’t?

[summer mural]

I wouldn't be surprised if grendyl is just chatgpt

[outer wave]

Grendyl absolutely exists

Its theorized he's the patriarch of the Brahms family line

Or at least he established it

[summer mural]

And the whole spy thing?

[median star]

grendyl is the friends we made along the way

[outer wave]

A spy in the Mourningstar? Aside from the traitor among us bit in the leveling story, cant say much

[grim adder]

Which Grendyl voice do y’all prefer?
I like the first one cuz that reminds of Ulysses from FoNV

[outer wave]

Cant really recall all the voices Grendyl uses in the "I am a warrior" and the Arbites introduction cutscenes

I really like his normal voice

It has this weird sincerity to it, but it also feels incredibly deceptive at the same time?

[grim adder]

Tru

[outer wave]

I wanna be like this necron

[sour hornet]

I fucking hate the "this is heresy" memes, like bro i worship the eightfold path stfu

[outer wave]

Same!

[sour hornet]

bro has been gooped

[crisp heath]

One necron warrior please
How would you like it painted?
Yeah just dip it in a bucket a few times thanks

[opaque coyote]

Two bolters?

How about lasting two seconds?

[summer mural]

Oh yeah so brunt

I've never seen that guy

And there was some like about him missing

[opaque coyote]

he is only in the background like once or twice in some cutscenes?

[sour hornet]

He was here

[opaque coyote]

He certainly does exist

that's it

[sour hornet]

Back when the game launched

He was actually here

But he was replaced by a servitor in a patch

no clue why

[shadow plover]

secret story reasons

[surreal nest]

I thought we only saw brunt in two cutscenes and it was always a servitor

im like 99% sure it was always a servitor at the storefront

[shadow plover]

but he is visible in a few cutscenes yeah

him

[opaque coyote]

sad honestly

[surreal nest]

He's just a busy guy I imagine

[summer mural]

Brunt used to actually run the armory in-game?

[surreal nest]

No

[opaque coyote]

They accidentally made his body with too much necrodermis.

[summer mural]

He's an ogryn he probably got lost one floor below

[shadow plover]

yeah I can't recall him being on the station proper ever

it was the servitor since the beta

[opaque coyote]

that probably explains all of the shit ass weapons he has

he probably punches them

"HOW DOES THIS LASGUN HAVE 0% ADDED DAMAGE?"

[lofty mason]

I like how this is just a 1911.

[sacred ginkgo]

This image is older than most people who joke about it

[lofty mason]

Archmagos Colt is legendary in ancient-Terra.

[surreal nest]

Well yeah but im saying brunt was never an interactable NPC like Hadron or Melk

[rocky gale]

I'd heard aircraft rules in 10th were bad, but damn I'd never read them before. God they're bad

[queen laurel]

i'm not familiar with 40K tabletop metas but was there ever a time that aircraft weren't so garbage

[rocky gale]

They had periods of being OP back in older editions when they were added, but also a time in 9th where they were kinda OP

GW just struggles to make rules for them

Any time they make them good, they become too good, then they get nerfed and they become unusable. They can never find a good balance

[shadow plover]

I like how they work in Legions Imperialis, there you have them in reserve for the first turn and then you can come in the second turn after which they move off board again ready to come in again later

[queen laurel]

So they are a balanced nightmare

well that is certainly a place no tabletop mini would want to be in

[shadow plover]

in 40k it would probably be too much of a point sink to justify one or two flyers that are only active every other turn

Although I don't even know how they work in 10th because we've never had any flyers

[scenic bolt]

like early 8th with the primaris grav tanks meta was to fly them on top of terrain where they could never be put into melee ever

[shadow plover]

🙂

a silly oversight

[rocky gale]

They start in reserve, go back into reserve if they reach the battles edge. They have to move atleast 20 inches in a straight line and then pivot 90 degrees after, they can't charge, advance or fall back, can only melee other aircraft etc

[shadow plover]

I mean that sounds fine in theory, can they return to the map if they go over the edge?

[rocky gale]

Yea but coming in from reserve counts as your movement

[scenic bolt]

was trying to find a picture and took forever looking through my old photo hd

[rocky gale]

It means they're flight path is locked, so if you've got a bomber your opponent can just walk out of your flight path to deny you any targets

[shadow plover]

That's true, you'd have to expect their movements and either force them to not go towards an objective and stay put to avoid a bombing run or risk the bombs

[rocky gale]

Also means Bombers don't really get to attack until turn 3

[shadow plover]

still, having a bomber just to be a scaring tactic really isn't worth the points it'll cost you

[rocky gale]

Yea they're usually like 200+ points

and then the damage they do isn't even than special

[median star]

are imperial knights and dreadnaughts on pretty even terms or nah

[shadow plover]

Nah

[celest dome]

Very much not

Dreadnaught aren't even that big of a threat to Warhounds

[median star]

didnt realize they were that big

[queen laurel]

nope even the smallest which is an Armiger would wipe the floor with a dreadnought

[storm jungle]

They are about the size of a human leg

Don’t trust that picture

[shadow plover]

Chaos propaganda

[opaque pumice]

why do people say the Tau are scared of Titans

most of their aircraft can take them down pretty easy

[shadow plover]

because of one campaign book where they had not encountered one and it surprised them

[queen laurel]

^

but just like anything new to tau

They realize that all you need is a good gun platform to punch a hole through the thing and you're good

[vagrant fox]

does anyone remember what the deal with the sub-segmentum around the eot is in obscurus

[shadow plover]

Gothic?

[vagrant fox]

Nah it's too big to be a sector and gothic's up there top right

it's weird

[shadow plover]

oh right

[vagrant fox]

It shows up a bunch and I have actually no idea what it is

[shadow plover]

Just Cadian Sector it seems

[green loom]

It's probably the wider "Cadian Gate"

Or something

[vagrant fox]

It is a safe assumption, something to do with the eye of terror at least

[shadow plover]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_sectors

eot seems to border many sectors, cadian being the main one

[vagrant fox]

well if it's based on this it's a whole lot of probably nothing

[shadow plover]

the light grey segmentum borders could just be for the EOT alone

[vagrant fox]

Something like that, oh well

[nocturne crest]

So, here's a thought, but should there be a land raider version of this:

[storm jungle]

Uhhhh

probably not

its a big assault vehicle, not really a road engineering one

[celest dome]

Should get a modern variation of one tbh

[nocturne crest]

It does look pretty neat, but unless they change it to be a repulsor as the original body, I don't think we'll get it.

[celest dome]

Why so ?

[nova scaffold]

the astartie wiggler

just grabbed a space marine and viloently shakes it

or toss it

[median star]

600million cultist pacified in under a day w no casualties ok

[nova scaffold]

basically a civilian in a hive city's when a warlord class titan is near

[nova scaffold]

lol

[nova scaffold]

who gonna win, a tech preist vs a chromed up mf from cyberpunk?

in a fight

[gaunt lily]

theres a difference?

[nova scaffold]

one is basically a Chicago resident who worried that too much will make them lose their sanity

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ahtkbnq6/let-the-abhorrants-impart-their-powerful-delusions-upon-you-with-new-rules-for-the-flesh-eater-courts/

Cool new rules for FEC

[nova scaffold]

and other is literally demands to instaill a big ass dreadnought plasma gun in their back

[queen laurel]

tech priest

next question

[nova scaffold]

quar

[queen laurel]

you mention quar in this conversation you consent to getting sent to the emperor's children

[gaunt lily]

arguably techpriests live on planet sized Chicagos (forgeworlds) and do infact get more insane with the more metal they graft to themselves

[nova scaffold]

im gonna get molest me by deviantart users in power armor

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[gaunt lily]

tbf titan void shields complicate things since it basically makes any Titan into a DPS check, with larger titans needing larger coordinated strikes to overwhelm - doesnt help that the emergency shutoffs can be overriden if the High Princeps anticipates your strategy and that they tend to deploy in groups as Legios rather than alone

When it comes to Tau aircraft that can decisively take down Titans I think it was just the Manta and AX-1-0 Tigershark variant, where the Manta is large, sluggish in atomosphere and has additional purposes like being a dedicated transport for hunter cadres making them something you wouldnt want to risk unless you had to

[winged jacinth]

Yeah taking down a titan is really a question of munitions

[storm jungle]

Its basically the same concept as a tank

the more alone/vulnerable it is the easier it goes down

[winged jacinth]

With healing!

[storm jungle]

this fandom really wanks titans when they very much arent that invincible

[winged jacinth]

The guard does get to deploy them in enormous phalanxes which helps with outflanking lol

Tanks i mean

[storm jungle]

Yeah almost in every depiction they are deployed against enemies that actually cant do anything against them for the sake of convenience

[gaunt lily]

the main thing the tau have going for them imo is actual competent and flexible command structures and tactics that mean they actually have reasonable odds of organising a successful strike against most things

[storm jungle]

because if your titan princeps protagonist went out to the field

and got instantly domed by a shadowsword

that would be kinda lame

[storm jungle]

Also that yeah, reminder that Tau generally loses engagements for the sake of cool factor for the faction they face

in relaity without plot restrictions they'd be extremely OP

[winged jacinth]

I think shadowswords are even rarer than titans as a whole arent they

[opaque pumice]

i just think it's funny how people talk about Imperial weaponry as if half the factions aren't objectivelly more technologically advanced than humans, Tau included

[storm jungle]

Rare doesnt mean much in 40k is the thing

terminator armor is rare

[winged jacinth]

But yeah everyone else has titan equivalents

[storm jungle]

yet every single chapter has one

etc etc

[winged jacinth]

I think the difference is that the shadowsword pattern is, i think, lost?

[opaque pumice]

shit even the Orks can do in a few years what took the humans thousands

[winged jacinth]

Though like, come on you've got baneblades volcano cannons and shadowswords just figure out how the wires connect lol

[gaunt lily]

I think technically they can only be made and supplied by forgeworlds that also make titans, so they only really show up in support of forces working with titans that are also fighting titans... if that qualifies them as rare then yes theyre rare, but no more than the titans they fight imo

its like spacemarines being rare until you fight a spacemarine level threat

then you kinda wish they didnt have to show up

[winged jacinth]

I remember one imperial armor book where a shadowsword was deployed with a regular tank battalion and during engagements traitor russes would just suddenly vaporize lol

[gaunt lily]

its generally just overkill for anything less than a titan yeah lol

[opaque pumice]

Titan: priceless relic from the Dark Age of which original plans are lost to time
Stompa: built in a week by a few hundred boyz who don't know what "circuit" means

[winged jacinth]

I think it goes down killing a traitor baneblade

[gaunt lily]

the guns capacitors charge off the engine so they have to remain stationary for like 4 minutes until they can fire again

[winged jacinth]

Stompa: ancient lostech encoded in ork genes by mystical superbeings

[gaunt lily]

so theyre both overkill and impractical

[winged jacinth]

Its clearly the optimal form

[gaunt lily]

orks are optimal, the only ones who are thriving

[arctic talon]

It’s not but it’s just rare

[winged jacinth]

Are stompas warhound i can't remember their scale i thought gargants covered all titan scales

[opaque pumice]

you know you're the most powerful when you're the only ones having fun in the universe

[arctic talon]

Stompas the mini are warhound sized

But stompas vary a bit more in lore size wise both up and down

[opaque pumice]

them and maybe the Drukhari

[dapper gyro]

It is always said by Titan wanker that Titan shield can tank nukes... but they never want to bring the fact that high velocity ammo can just punch through them.

[gaunt lily]

I dont imagine orks really have a standard stompa design, and bigger is always better

[dapper gyro]

And guess what kind of weapon the Tau likes to use.

[opaque pumice]

the red ones

[winged jacinth]

Titan shields can tank (indirect) nukes that's like the perfect case for their shields lol

[gaunt lily]

high velocity doesnt punch through, tau forces typically overwhelm the shields with missile barrages first

[arctic talon]

They can eat railgun shots as well

The tau just got around that

With the smart idea of using two railgun shots back to back lol

[winged jacinth]

All the energy is spread across the whole shield array and the tech is designed for voidships abs therefore unshielded cosmic rays

[dapper gyro]

That's what the human uses high speed projectile vs titans... so...

[gaunt lily]

void shields are less a physical barrier and more a 'i sent your attack to the shadowrealm' bs warp device

[arctic talon]

They still get overloaded

[winged jacinth]

Tandem munition moment

[arctic talon]

Yeah basically lol

[rocky gale]

Funniest part about the Volcano cannon rules in 10th is they're Blast, so you get 2 extra shots if you shoot it at a squad of Intercessors or something.

[winged jacinth]

Lmao

Presumably that's it cutting a line through the squad

[rocky gale]

Why yes I would like to shoot your T3 troops with my S24 cannon

[opaque pumice]

its only heresy if it doesn't benefit the war

[arctic talon]

Volcano cannons have an explosion at the impact site

[winged jacinth]

A mere 96 inches of range

[arctic talon]

Is why they’re blast lol

[opaque pumice]

or if its Mechanicus bullshit. they're allowed to do that

[arctic talon]

The artillery titan is like

120” or something silly

For the main gun

[gaunt lily]

for the benefit for anyone unfamiliar with void shields https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Void_shield

Void shields are energy fields employed by the Imperium to protect everything from Super-Heavy Vehicles to massive starships. The shields operate via Warp technology, absorbing the energy of attacks and displacing them into the Immaterium. Void shields benefit from the fact that they can be raised again after taking damage and collapsing, even in the midst of combat.

Void shields serve as the main line of defence for Imperial Titans, with multiple generators creating overlapping shields for maximum effect. Each shield will absorb damage until it is overloaded, upon which safety features cut in and force the generator to shut down and bleed off excess energy before it is restarted again and made operable.

In theory, a Titan will have some of its shields protecting it at all times. In cases of emergency the Titan's Princeps can override the cut-off and force the generator to remain active; this has the added risk of damaging the generator and turning it into a useless pool of molten slag as it is overwhelmed by enemy fire.

[winged jacinth]

There's a few weapons like that that technically range in neighboring tables lol

Isnt the range on the deathstrike missile comically short though lol

[arctic talon]

For how it’s described sorta?

[arctic talon]

Anyways this thing is the taus primary solution lol

[rocky gale]

Range? yes

[arctic talon]

Two railgun in tandem

[winged jacinth]

I mean the range is like a battlefield and its an ICBM isnt it lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[winged jacinth]

SIR WE MUST BRING THE MISSILES TO THE FRONT LINE TO SURPRISE THE ENEMY

[rocky gale]

All that for 1 damage is pretty funny though

[arctic talon]

Tbh the death strikes always had the curse of being

[winged jacinth]

Range N/A is pretty funny

[arctic talon]

subpar

In some aspects lol

[rocky gale]

Like this rocket does 1 damage

[arctic talon]

Pre 9e it was funny as shit

Your death strike could just not fire

For the whole game starting from turn 3 onwards

Because you never rolled a 3+

[winged jacinth]

icbm
blast radius the size of a medium house

[rocky gale]

Like it's rule is a fun gimmick of you basically designate the area, so you're using it more as a threat rather than actually using it most of the time

[winged jacinth]

They probably shouldn't have tried making deathstrikes into minis lol

[gaunt lily]

Taros Campaign - Day 3 Operation Comet

The Tau rallied and the arrival of a fresh Hunter Cadre saw the fighting intensify again. This time the Tau would deploy a new weapon. No Imperial commander had ever encountered this new mark of Tiger Shark before and the aircraft came in fast, skimming the desert so low it kicked up a dust cloud before climbing over a shallow rise to open fire.

Missiles rippled from the aircraft’s wings, flaring bright against Warhound Advensis Primaris’ void shields. The explosions overpowered the generators, which cut out and the following shots from the Tiger Shark’s twin railguns struck the Warhound squarely in the hull. With devastating power, two hypersonic shots tore through the thick armour plates in an explosion that showered the surrounding desert in molten shrapnel.

Critically wounded, the Warhound staggered backwards under the impacts, tottered and, to the astonishment of all, fell. Where once Imperial commanders had thought the Titans untouchable to all but a Manta’s firepower, suddenly the Tau Empire had a new tactical weapon capable of bringing down their mighty war machines.

The wreckage of Advensis Primaris lay billowing oily smoke as the sand settled over her. Inside the crew lay dead at the controls, including High Princeps Jernay, killed by agonising bolts of pain that had fed directly into his brain from the Titan’s mind-impulse controls. It was a bitter and unexpected loss and the remaining three Titans withdrew rather than face another strafing run.

Their mission was already complete; the 114th Cadians were now able to begin their strike northwards.

funny, i was just about to get the quote for that when you posted the pic lol

[queen laurel]

well not really because ork mekboyz quite literally have the genetic knowledge on how to do that stuff

it's literally in their DNA

[arctic talon]

Yeah

but its cool

[winged jacinth]

A strike fighter capable of titanslaying is honestly the best possible solution i think

[dapper gyro]

And never forget that these thing is a work of fantasy. The writers can change it as they want to. Consistency is a moot point.

[arctic talon]

Which is what the tigershark is tbh

[gaunt lily]

it was a different time, a time when artillery having a range of 240 inches to shoot people on other tables was considered fun and thematic

[arctic talon]

sorta

[winged jacinth]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

it still sucked back then

the Deathstrike has always not been good and been a flavor L

it didn't do enough damage ever to justify it

[winged jacinth]

I mean its heavy but its a titanslayer what are you gonna do

[gaunt lily]

emphasis on fun and thematic

[arctic talon]

I don't think it was fun

or thematic

[gaunt lily]

also the 240 inch range is the basilisk

[arctic talon]

personally lol

Having played into it

[gaunt lily]

it still has it

[arctic talon]

several times

[winged jacinth]

You don't have to go that fast planewise to deal with titan main gun traversal and they're not usually anti-air experts

[arctic talon]

Where it just did nothing

[winged jacinth]

Though i imagine they'd just start deploying titans with whole platoons of basalisks lol

[arctic talon]

A titan with no support is a dead titan

[gaunt lily]

antiair would be Hydras, but yeah titans are usually smothered in layers of support

[winged jacinth]

Imperial anti-air is usually an afterthought afaict

Ah yeah the other lizard

[arctic talon]

its decently robust

[winged jacinth]

Basalisks are howitzers right

[arctic talon]

ironically

it just never comes up

because

aircraft

[winged jacinth]

Yeah my impression is the imperium usually just has a mostly unspoken air superiority unless otherwise stated

[arctic talon]

The only place where we get a lot of air

on AA stuff is Aeronautica IMperialis

[winged jacinth]

Le epic industrial base

[arctic talon]

though Tau AA guns are prolly the scariest

[winged jacinth]

For sure

[arctic talon]

Imperial AA guns have a lot of Flak/volume of fire

Tau stuff just fucking kills you

LOL

[winged jacinth]

They'll have superfast projectiles and actual radar targeting

[nocturne crest]

I imagine GW will want to get rid of firstborn stuff entirely in the future.

[winged jacinth]

Imperial AA is stuck in the mechanical gunsight era lol

[arctic talon]

mfw

[storm jungle]

I mean

they basically already have

[winged jacinth]

Why would they get rid of firstborn vehicles

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-good-gif-12770262

[arctic talon]

They likely won't get rid of the vehicles

that are left

I.E Rhino, LR, Predator

they fill actual niches

[queen laurel]

orks also fall in there

[arctic talon]

Orks are just

all Flak lol

[winged jacinth]

Ive never gotten over how the land raider could have been a boat if that's what magos land had found

[arctic talon]

All their things have fucking flak

including their goddamn machine guns

[arctic talon]

Land's Raider™

[queen laurel]

yeah they do not mess around

[arctic talon]

Imperial AA is boring

(affectionate)

[queen laurel]

well they can also just pull out this

Yes it's a giant magnet

[arctic talon]

not in aeronautica

[queen laurel]

unfortunate

[gaunt lily]

yeah while i said the basilisk wasnt AA, i remembered that they do technically use basically the same gun with proximity shells for higher altitude defence lol

[winged jacinth]

You're right that the hydra is the workhorse 4gun ww2 flak though

[gaunt lily]

also honourable mention to the Sabre gun platform, that could mount anything from twin autocannons, lascannons, Hbolters or quad heavy stubbers

just a dude and a dream lol

[winged jacinth]

"Should we put some armor cowling around the gun its already pintle mounted"
"Nah they'll be fine "

[nocturne crest]

Yay or Nay?

[nova scaffold]

i wonder

do abhumans operate imperium tanks and aircraft?

[gaunt lily]

did they just encase a basilisk including most of the chimera hull in concrete?

[nocturne crest]

Kind of?

Apparently, it's got a bigger gun than the Basilisk.

[gaunt lily]

I dont understand why it needs a chimera hull in there, the gun cant even turn as a result so after all that concrete you can shoot one specific direction only

[nocturne crest]

You could build a wall of them.

[nova scaffold]

i know ogryns will never be as a tanker or pilot for a good reason

but what about others?

[vagrant fox]

The design seems questionable but that's the Imperium for you

[gaunt lily]

they have earthshakers without the hull, that come with the ability to rotate

[nova scaffold]

whats the caliber?

[gaunt lily]

same as the basilisk

[nova scaffold]

in milimeters

[celest dome]

Don't think Chaos Legions will get Primaris style stuff

[storm jungle]

game devs dont really understand how artillery platforms work alas

[dapper gyro]

All talk of tank, StarCraft Siege tank still beat the shit about of 40K in terms of style and function.

[celest dome]

It's a cool model

Very cool

The Zerg one though

[nova scaffold]

hay do yall have like a army

[gaunt lily]

acording to wiki 132mm? 40k is bad with calibers though

[celest dome]

Had 3, have since sold each of them

May plunge back with Kharadron

[gaunt lily]

like among other things, as modeled the bore of an earthshaker gun is big enough to stick a dudes head in, and heads are a lot bigger than 13 cm

[nocturne crest]

Is this terrain or was this an actual unit?

[dapper gyro]

The smooth brain is easier to squish in...

[gaunt lily]

https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k10ed/factions/unaligned-forces/Plasma-Obliterator

[dapper gyro]

https://www.bulgarov.com/images_professional/starcraft2/st_rendertest_gray.jpg

[nova scaffold]

like you saying that a quar baeliog tractor has a bigger gun than the Warhammer earth shakers? like off by 50mm?

[dapper gyro]

Starcraft got so much effort put in it... and Blizzard killed it.

[dapper gyro]

Big bore is really meaningless without more specification and context.

[nocturne crest]

Remember how Overwatch was supposed to lead to a multi-media franchise, with a film series and stuff to appear after the game was released?

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[dapper gyro]

25mm auto cannon we have nowadays can do things that 50mm do in WW2, but our is full auto.

[dapper gyro]

It was, for quite a while. But they focus on milking rather than developing...

[gaunt lily]

im saying the only time its ever been given a specific value was in a siege of vraks forgeworld book, and that personally I think its one of those numbers that hasnt exactly been thought out

[nova scaffold]

if the wiki bore measurements are canon and accurate. they would be the same caliber just off by 2mm

[gaunt lily]

and also yes, the number doesnt really matter when you can pretend there are super powerful explosives in the warhead or whatever that mean its actually as powerful as X thing that defines the modern idea of what a strong gun is

[nova scaffold]

i imagine the reason why it do so much damage is probably the shells just a massive round nose bullet packs with much explosive as possible

basically this

a shot from these bad boy, it will sent any khorn daemon back to warp where they belong

from the knockback

[dapper gyro]

Eh... the kinetic energy of that thing at 10m would be way lower than the small bullet.

[nova scaffold]

atlease the metal glizzy is larger and if it tumble, it will hit

[gaunt lily]

i mean we see people in the models carrying and loading shells, and they dont look fancy, they also dont look like 132mm, If i had to suggest an alternate size id point to something closer to 203mm

that looks about basilisk size compared to the dude pulling the lanyard right?

[dapper gyro]

Also head fits to the bore.

[nova scaffold]

maybe like 42CM

like irl super heavy siege howitzers

[gaunt lily]

eeh 42 cm is more like the gorgon

[nova scaffold]

the closest for me is the 35.5 cm Haubitze M1

[gaunt lily]

gorgon? sorry meant colossus

[nova scaffold]

image it has velocity so slow that you can see it tumbling in the air

https://tenor.com/view/car-flying-car-coche-automobil-coche-volando-gif-19204586

[gaunt lily]

short fat artillery is like that yeah, its classed as a siege mortar

[dapper gyro]

Those big bore are so redundance.

[nova scaffold]

but big boom

[dapper gyro]

Missile can also do big boom.

Also, volume of fire can make up for the bomb of those things.

You have better accuracy and destruction coverage at the same time.

[gaunt lily]

big bore for bigger warhead, small bore for easier and faster ammunition handling and better capacity
long gun for higher velocity for higher range/penetration, short gun for lower velocity for steeper plunging fire (the same can be achieved with lower power charges using multi part ammunition)

thats a rough rule of thumb atleast, the Imperium has just about something of everything

oh right, the new krieg artillery piece also has a heavy mortar variant

[nova scaffold]

basically a grown up version of this

or with gun shield

tech preist be like

[dapper gyro]

Krieg has tons of stuff inspired by WW1/2.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/e/e4/KriegMLRS.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Föhn-Gerät.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:German_Nebelwerfer_41_breach.jpg
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/c/c8/MallusRocket.jpg

[nova scaffold]

imagine it fire all at once

but its not secured

so the gun straight up rolled back so fast

yoo @dapper gyro

wanna talk about quars and warhammer guardsment regiment

[celest dome]

If Soulblight Gravelords are meant to be Von Carstein and Necrach (?).
And Flesh Eater court represent the Strigoi
I wonder if we could see other blood lines appear too

[rocky gale]

I'd say the Vrykos are the new Strigoi

[storm jungle]

Vrykos are the russian vampires right

im pretty sure they are their own thing

[rocky gale]

They're the beastlike vampires

Avengorii too