doesn't count smh
#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
plush mason
yeah the elders are like above the natural order/influence it directly
arctic talon
Dire's heart literally keeps beating after you cut it out of it lol
vaguely animalistic ig?
lol
vagrant fox
deffo
vagrant fox
furries are into them
vagrant fox
🗿
vagrant fox
yeah they were proto furry myths
storm jungle
queen laurel
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
This conversation is baby with a spoon versus stone wall
celest dome
I mean, Furries are antropomorphic animals, Satyr are Goat-men, Centaur aren't that would be Ipotane, so I think calling them furry isn't that wrong
queen laurel
You speak as if you are well researched in the subject
I must log this to my findings
celest dome
Mythology did happen to be an interest of me
celest dome
Furry not so much
raven stone
One can be well researched without being committed to the topic in question
otherwise we are all fascists lol!
queen laurel
~~otherwise we are all fascists lol!~~
Why do you think i still have no anarchist charges
near wasp
~~otherwise we are all fascists lol!~~
Fuck how'd they find out
surreal nest
AoS lore heads, what are these goobers?
arctic talon
AoS lore heads, what are these goobers?
They're belakor worshippers, aside from that they're highly effective cultists/soldiers but not chaos warriors
aside from the lead dude
surreal nest
Ahhh ok thats what was messing me up. Wasn't sure if they were like entities of chaos or worshippers. Thank you!!!
arctic talon
in full armor
surreal nest
Theyre so cool
rose thorn
They're belakor worshippers, aside from that they're highly effective cultists/s...
They also are good spies and stuff
raven stone
yeah but they worship beLakor
Belakor as a concept is oddly cooler in 40k I feel
Even if Codex Demon sucks balls right now
arctic talon
I also like him more in 40k
tbh
Codex Daemons doesn't even suck
they just don't have a fucking codex 💀
raven stone
Oof
paper haven
I'm sure its fine
storm jungle
I also like him more in 40k
I love him in WHF since hes the OG there but like
making him some non-human thing nobody knows about who has had countless empires/kingdoms raised and destroyed for him across the entire time of the galaxy is great
arctic talon
The Daemons index itself is pretty well put together
storm jungle
my ONLY complaint is he barely has any lore
arctic talon
yeah no Belakor's themeing in 40k is on point
he just needs more lore
He's got some lore
but not enough
storm jungle
yeah exactly, i assume he will get it one day if we ever get a book on him
storm jungle
Arks was the fun way to do a mcguffin quest yeah
WAYYYY better than the last big grand event aka Psychic Awakening, which was a fucking slopfest boring disaster lol
raven stone
I like the introduction of Boarding Actions lol
arctic talon
Psychic awakening was ass
lol
I do find it funny it took u
*us
2 FUCKING EDITIONS
to get an update on one bit of lore from it
raven stone
I can just collect a mini RT/INQ raiding party and call it a day
storm jungle
yeah Arks is just fun
GW is really good at like
making grand events that effect every faction
storm jungle
real
arctic talon
I'll be satisfied with craftworld eldar updates
after we get a new vyper, dire avengers and karandras
lol
anything extra would be nice
near wasp
My coworker and his son are getting a killteam. I'm also looking at them but kinda unsure what I should do
near wasp
Yeahhh
I just know I might not like to paint necrons love them but I cannot stand the paint
It's so bad quality
Maybe I get the legionaries and paint them all in various gods colors
Make them like a real chaos warband
valid needle
I just know I might not like to paint necrons love them but I cannot stand the p...
Buy anyway, never paint. Grow the pile of shame
near wasp
I've got like 4 boxes already in the pile
valid needle
You gotta bump those numbers up
valid needle
Brother I live in america
Understandable brother, my condolences.
dapper gyro
The paint can actually make you high.
rocky gale
One of the few great things about being in the UK, cheaper Warhammer
The markup abroad is huge
it's like $70 cheaper for me to get a Combat Patrol than in America
valid needle
it's like $70 cheaper for me to get a Combat Patrol than in America
150 for a combat patrol? Oof.
rocky gale
In America it's like $170
valid needle
90 more than here
rocky gale
UK I can get it for £80
valid needle
Same
near wasp
;-;
nocturne crest
I wonder if anyone has painted the new votann models in lego space themes.
plush mason
speaking of, who is that votann in the cover art i have seen lately
with the norn emissary or something standing over him
vagrant fox
Buri Aegnirssen the Thrice-Devoured
vagrant fox
Aegnirssen?
plush mason
yeah
vagrant fox
ehg-nir-ssen for me, who knows what GW intends
I just assume by writing ae they intend æ idk
plush mason
yeah
green loom
Eyy-guh-near
dire loom
Necrons use plasma or?
hallow saddle
Necrons use plasma or?
gauss & tesla mainly i think
dapper gyro
6th is traitor, 21st half number is corrupted.
summer mural
also scabs are the 6th
but dregs are like what
random cultists
people on atoma who joined the cult i guess
radiant lance
Yeah their real name is admonition
summer mural
Im doing mortis trials nowadays
theres some nice lore in there
is there anything like...super relevant
also why is there a random voice line on the ship about brunt being missing
crisp heath
It's good for hearing about Zola and morrow before they were on board the morningstar
crisp heath
random cultists
The dregs come from a different faction the cult of admonition (I think I may have got the last word wrong)
I think they are the ones who corrupted the 6th , not 100% tho
arctic talon
Necrons use plasma or?
Primary weaponry is Gauss
which is a disintegration gun that pulls apart your atoms
observe
crisp heath
Aztec death masks are pretty interesting
sour hornet
call me basic then
basic generic helmet ass
winter vessel
and proud of it tips hat with middle finger
crystal forum
this channel fell off
dire loom
Primary weaponry is Gauss
Ty sah
opaque coyote
Primary weaponry is Gauss
"gauss"
looks inside
arctic talon
lol
opaque coyote
it pulls you apart magnetically
Honestly I thought that it just like
disrupts the molecular bonds using magnets (how the fuck do they work?)
since it looks like anybody who's shot basically falls apart
like even in that gif you can see the skin sloughing before turning to ash
celest dome
Disrupt the magnetic bonds between atoms, making you into dust per se
By basically overriding the normal magnetics
opaque pumice
pretty funny that in Vermintide 1 and 2 the party are heroes that in theory would try and stop the end of the universe by themselves (and failed which caused AoS to begin but that's besides the point) meanwhile the Darktide party couldnt possibly be more insignificant to the universe, the same for our allies, enemies and even the worlds around us. It kind of reflect each universe when you think about it
i assume the Moebian Domain is insignificant as far as Domains go since they have a localized government and it's never mentioned outside of Darktide at least. Also the Imperium never even bothered to send reinforcements for the war besides/until the Arbites
oh, that came out longer than i thought
opaque coyote
is there a single thing in 40k that is what it actually says it is?
Lasgun
It shoots lasers
And is a gun
It isn't like plasma or anything (cough Star wars) they are actually lasers.
Although if you were to take it into reality. This would be highly inefficient due to multiple reasons.
But I don't think anybody really fucking cares. It's 40k.
celest dome
i assume the Moebian Domain is insignificant as far as Domains go since they hav...
Both groups are based on the rpg sets.
Fantasy has you play as small time heroes.
40k has you usually play as acolytes/serf of an Inquisitor or a Rogue Trader (Dark Heresy and RT), or as an Imperial Guard squad (Only War).
Also the U5 were still quite insignificant tbf as they didn't really do anything that could have really helped
Also the Arbites are local.
Reinforcement is impossible at this time
queen laurel
is there a single thing in 40k that is what it actually says it is?
Shoota, it shoots shit
opaque coyote
i assume the Moebian Domain is insignificant as far as Domains go since they hav...
The entire theme of Darktide is that.
You're worthless.
The system is one of thousands.
And you're basically the bottom of the ladder
In a ladder so tall that it's probably rusted and falling apart similar to an Ork weapon outside of an Ork's hands.
The entire reason why the conflict happens is because the soldiers were treated like shit.
So therefore they decided to rebel.
Only for it to turn out that they were possibly manipulated to rebel, and nobody noticed because it's just a bunch of guardsmen.
Also none of them even knew what they were gonna fight until they were sent there.
opaque pumice
Also the Arbites are local.
Reinforcement is impossible at this time
i understand the warped communications thing but even if they could send notice, the Imperium still wouldn't spare resources
Atoma got some factorums but no original manufacturing besides Moebian steel, they probably only supply the local Regiments and one of them is already traitor
opaque coyote
i understand the warped communications thing but even if they could send notice,...
They probably would spare resources.
If only because apparently moebian steel is good shit.
Also because the Imperium is gigantic
opaque pumice
The entire theme of Darktide is that.
You're worthless.
The system is one of t...
that applies to most of 40k, the Imperium part at least
opaque coyote
But given the nature of warp travel
opaque pumice
the guard is disposable but the rejects are more
opaque coyote
Maybe they actually did and it's just suffering from some uh
Delays
Warp Travel is somewhat consistent. But due to the warp not really caring about time.
This cause can shipments to be a decade too late
Or too early
crisp heath
Warp travel looks like it genuinely sucks
opaque pumice
They probably would spare resources.
not so sure
if the vox is anything to take by, the cult got a nice hold on the working masses of Atoma and the nobles are the only reason the Inquisition is trying to retake the gutter areas instead of just cutting losses
crisp heath
Like successful jumps look terrifying 😭
opaque coyote
Warp travel looks like it genuinely sucks
Usually in terms of pure time frames, they're mostly fine
It's like
70% normal
30% "oh god oh fuck"
misty vector
Wonder if anyone tried to change events when they arrived somewhere before they left due to warp travel
opaque pumice
there are several missions in industrial areas but only 2 or 3 of them are about liberating resources instead of directly cutting limbs of the cult
misty vector
Probably not a thing the setting would like to deal with though
crisp heath
Especially if the Gellar feild starts to weaken , apparently the people on board can hear the demons scratching at the hull
opaque coyote
Wonder if anyone tried to change events when they arrived somewhere before they ...
Most likely they have since there's an entire Ordo dedicated to trying to prevent temporal anomalies from fucking up things that much
They also disappear randomly.
crisp heath
I read a audio book about a Gellar feild that was severely failing and the people on board started to see shadows walk separately from people and other weird chaos stuff
opaque pumice
Warp Travel is somewhat consistent. But due to the warp not really caring about ...
also i don't think the story is ending any sooner but if i had to go prophesying, the Imperium won't risk losing a Warp messed Domain to Chaos and instead would just blow the lost planets smoove off
opaque pumice
a whole Domain mostly cut from the rest of the Imperium is a crazy resource for Chaos to have
if anything it's crazy Nurgle didn't throw more shit at us
opaque coyote
Probably because this is actually pretty small scale compared to most chaos attacks
It's normal
Yes
Normal
Just another day in the Imperium
opaque pumice
im aware, there aren't even Chaos marines or full blown Daemons
crisp heath
I love how they describe the forces of chaos doing chaos stuff
misty vector
Dont think rannick really knows how big the cult so far is though
opaque pumice
the Chaos in the area is still mostly human which is about the most expendable thing in the universe
opaque coyote
I love how they describe the forces of chaos doing chaos stuff
THEY'RE DOING SOME SPOOKY SHIT.
D...do we even know what they're doing?"
NO AND THAT MAKES SHIT WORSE. DESTROY IT
crisp heath
We don't know what they need this artifact to do and we don't want to know 
opaque pumice
if the greater authorities of Nurgle knew about the Warp situation they'd have sent at least a few Marines to finish taking off Atoma
crisp heath
Where are they even hearing about these artifacts
opaque pumice
the human authorities i mean, i don't think the guy himself gives a shit
opaque coyote
if the greater authorities of Nurgle knew about the Warp situation they'd have s...
Maybe
But considering the scale of the setting. Neither side are kinda caring that much
It ain't the siege of terra
I do think a Chaos Space Marine boss would be goated
crisp heath
Nurgle and the chaos gods are not interested in victory
opaque pumice
Maybe
But considering the scale of the setting. Neither side are kinda caring t...
i just want a kill mission for a Death Guard so bad dude
opaque coyote
I don't ever think we have a Chaos SM boss?
crisp heath
They like the hopelessness the decay and all of that
opaque coyote
They're usually just tough enemies that are still kinda fodder
So having one be a boss would be awesome
opaque pumice
i get that Darktide is straying from Marines since thats the only thing GW does nowadays but still
opaque coyote
Like they're supposed to be more powerful than regular Marines due to the chaos magic and years of experience
crisp heath
They prefer to keep a cycle of eternal war so they have more souls , when csm die they do not have a good time
opaque coyote
Having one as a boss in Darktide would be fun. Especially if it's like a multi stage type of thing
opaque pumice
Like they're supposed to be more powerful than regular Marines due to the chaos ...
even so if everything the rejects deal with is canon, a single DG is doable
just make it a fight like the Karnaks
opaque coyote
even so if everything the rejects deal with is canon, a single DG is doable
I like to think that it is and despite killing fucking Chaos Spawn.
They are just ignored
Because the Imperium isn't a meritocracy
Just promote the random nepobaby it'll be fine
queen laurel
even so if everything the rejects deal with is canon, a single DG is doable
the game suffers from a very big case of Luddo narrative dissonance
Example
opaque pumice
ignored by the Imperium? absolutely because the rejects are at best Inquisition grunts
queen laurel
if we get eaten by a beast of nurgle we should be reduced to sludge
opaque pumice
i do wish Chaos didnt ignored the rejects and their own cult as much thought
opaque coyote
the game suffers from a very big case of Luddo narrative dissonance
Example
Although tbf I think canonically only the four rejects (Psyker, Ogryn, Zealot, and Veteran) are the only ones that are built different
Just ignore the other players walking around on the ship
opaque pumice
imagine how cool the story would be if you could tell there's something bigger brewing but the Inquisition doesn't really care to look further
crisp heath
The plot armour is strong on atoma
opaque pumice
but no, you can tell the local Chaos are just the bums of the street and a few guardsmen
queen laurel
Although tbf I think canonically only the four rejects (Psyker, Ogryn, Zealot, a...
The voices of each character are the lucky ones, in lore but in game play we should have melted long ago
opaque coyote
The voices of each character are the lucky ones, in lore but in game play we sho...
Honestly I think difficulty 3 or 4 would be considered canon?
Higher difficulties are just first hand accounts with exaggeration
"THERE WAS LIKE 30 ARMORED OGRYNS AND 150 ZOMBIES ALL GOING AFTER US!"
crisp heath
I like to think havoc or auric maels is more accurate
queen laurel
I like to think havoc or auric maels is more accurate
it's not
opaque coyote
"uh-huh... yeah... now put the grimore in the bag"
opaque pumice
the game suffers from a very big case of Luddo narrative dissonance
Example
yeah, they probably just felt like there weren't enough known Nurgle creatures
crisp heath
Or how fighting chaos would go
If chaos is that weak then how did the imperium lose 🤔
Or like get in this predicament
opaque coyote
I like to think havoc or auric maels is more accurate
... honestly that type of shit would have Space Marines running bro
opaque pumice
to be fair the Chaos we fight isnt true Chaos
opaque coyote
Also we have plot armor
opaque pumice
just traitor/zombified humans
crisp heath
These guys are the worst of the worst but we just killed 1k of them ez
opaque coyote
Basically if it was 100% accurate to the lore
We wouldn't even be able to play the game
We'd just step into a particularly infested area
Get 20 different diseases
And then die (if we're lucky)
misty vector
Theyd probably kill every reject that made it back to the ship
opaque coyote
It's what I like to call CoD syndrome
Where you can tank machine gun rounds while fighting
But as soon as a cutscene starts, bullets actually start doing their job
And you die with a single shot
Darktide is basically that
opaque pumice
the setup is also funny in itself
you're a prisioner being sent to die in bumfuck nowhere for the Inquisition, then you meet traitors with an army, resources and Chaos by their side
why wouldn't you just join them instead of doing all that shit just to come back and receive a can of grinded human slop as a reward?
opaque coyote
why wouldn't you just join them instead of doing all that shit just to come back...
Tbf their faces are literally rotting
Like
Noses falling off
Eyes rotted
Some of the enemies you fight literally scream for help or for death
opaque pumice
Tbf their faces are literally rotting
yeah but it doesn't look like they mind
opaque coyote
Probably a good deterrent
opaque pumice
by standards the average Chaos guardsman is happier than the average loyalist
opaque pumice
Nurgle worshippers don't feel pain
opaque coyote
by standards the average Chaos guardsman is happier than the average loyalist
Ehhhhh-
opaque pumice
the dregs fuckin love their job
crisp heath
Then he wouldn't have such a big mess on his hands would he
opaque pumice
just hear the voicelines
opaque pumice
Ehhhhh-
the ones under command of other traitor humans like the ones in the game, i mean
opaque coyote
Unless if they start grinding
opaque pumice
the ones that become fodder for Daemons in the larger wars obviously aren't
opaque coyote
the ones under command of other traitor humans like the ones in the game, i mean
Yeah that's what I'm talking about.
Usually that leads to becoming fodder for Daemons.
Sooner or later
crisp heath
Yeah there souls get consumed when they die
opaque coyote
Also your soul kinda just gets eternally tortured by the Chaos God you choose.
crisp heath
That's usually the pact they made w their God
opaque coyote
Unless of course you become a Daemon prince
opaque coyote
Also your soul kinda just gets eternally tortured by the Chaos God you choose.
Tbf none of them know this
opaque pumice
Some of the enemies you fight literally scream for help or for death
those are the poxwalkers/groaners which are just civilians, the walkers not even being alive anymore
opaque coyote
those are the poxwalkers/groaners which are just civilians, the walkers not even...
Yeah
But that's how Nurgle gets you.
You get infected with several diseases, you beg the pain to stop, you accept.
opaque pumice
the Moebians are fine i think, if their previous job was so shitty that they turned to Chaos at least
opaque coyote
You no longer feel pain.
opaque pumice
for now, obviously
crisp heath
It's like possessed marines the demon they have in their body eats their soul in the warp over and over when they finally die
opaque coyote
It's like possessed marines the demon they have in their body eats their soul in...
Nah not that.
Every soul goes to the warp when they die
Usually they dissipate into the warp
But if you joined chaos
...
You're not so lucky
Or if you're a Psyker. Psykers are just fucked over no matter what
crisp heath
On that last cadia animation the demon laughs as the possesed dies and pulls him into the warp where you see the demons actual form and its huge
Mocking him saying your legion has no use for you now and stuff
opaque coyote
Basically Chaos is capitalism
You work for a corporation
That can fire you at any time
With zero separation pay.
And get constantly abused because you're a wagie slave
Unless if you become the boss that abuses the wagie slave
...
At least the dress code is more fun
opaque pumice
Basically Chaos is capitalism
the Imperium mimics Chaos so much its no wonder it is almost a human exclusive issue
im kidding, i know Chaos is just so human reliant because GW loves to milk it and the Imperium
opaque coyote
im kidding, i know Chaos is just so human reliant because GW loves to milk it an...
Tbf it's also that and the fact that the gods reflect a lot of human failings
Their horror isn't that they're incomprehensible Eldritch beings
No, they're completely comprehensible
crisp heath
Eldritch beings would have gone hard in the warhammer setting
crisp heath
I was just thinking that bout the ctan I guess tyranids are kinda
I like when eldritch horror is not explained
It's just there and you don't understand it
To me that's spooky asheck
opaque pumice
Tbf it's also that and the fact that the gods reflect a lot of human failings
Chaos would be such a minor threat without the Imperium
not that they wouldn't be around but without human folly and human servants they probably wouldn't conquer much before the Tyranids just eat everything
crisp heath
The fact anything is still surviving the nid threat is crazy
Gw made them so strong its not funny
opaque pumice
Eldritch beings would have gone hard in the warhammer setting
i think the Eldritch part of 40k is the setting itself
the sheer insignificancy of anything due to how massive everything is
crisp heath
The fact that when they show up the imperium does not bother counting because a new number would need to be created baffles me
opaque pumice
technically they can't do anything against the Necrons
crisp heath
The shut the world off from all outside help when they do decide to planetfall
opaque pumice
and Necron weaponry leaves nothing behind to become biomass
crisp heath
I wouldn't be surprised if they have a splinter fleet made for dealing w crons
opaque pumice
so it could take a few million years but eventually the Necrons would just kill them all or scare them off
after they ate everyone else, of course (by proxy helping the Necrons win)
crisp heath
They have a fleet that specializes in fighting chaos it's pretty interesting how they can choose there evolution forms depending on the situation
opaque pumice
I wouldn't be surprised if they have a splinter fleet made for dealing w crons
the thing with the Necrons is that not only they can't be consumed, but they need to die in a very specific way to not just teleport back into the tombs to regenerate
not every single Necron is immortal but they're very close to it
crisp heath
I could see them just melting the necrons into acid and getting the bio mass that way
But yeah it is interesting 🤔
opaque pumice
Necron "flesh" regenerates instantly even if the Necron itself is dead
crisp heath
Don't they need a special guy around to re animate?
opaque pumice
so yeah, maybe the Nids could evolve to consume it somehow but it would take a while
crisp heath
Or do they just come back regardless
opaque pumice
Don't they need a special guy around to re animate?
as far as i know they only need to have their original tomb still standing
their bodies materialize back into their tomb world to rebuild in 90% of cases
they can die forever tho, it just takes a lotta effort
celest dome
Downed Necron if left alone can sometime regenerate, but if they're too damaged then it doesn't matter
crisp heath
I wonder how many imperial worlds have tombs underneath them 🤔
That's the scary thing
They could be in the walls
opaque pumice
in theory the Necrons are like the Nids in the sense that we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg
crisp heath
It's the skaven all over again
opaque pumice
their "main" population is still asleep
crisp heath
Cause on sm2 it turns out one of the planets is hiding a necron tomb and you briefly go down there
celest dome
Some people think that Munda has a Necron Tomb
crisp heath
I'm ngl at that point I thought necrons were gonna start showing up lol
crisp heath
Damn gw
opaque pumice
GW loves to delay story progression
crisp heath
Aslong as it's not there posterboys the smurfs
opaque pumice
they've been milking the post Cadia stuff since 2017ish
celest dome
GW loves to delay story progression
Video Games practically never advance the story of the greater setting,
opaque pumice
it's just a inner joke about Cadians never shutting the hell up about Cadia
crisp heath
Yeah , my dt vet never shuts up about cadia
opaque pumice
i picked a professional cadian but that's the one personality that never mentions it
weird that it seems vet exclusive too
crisp heath
Now that I think about it yeah he doesn't really mention it he's just always yelling 🤔
Kark this kark that 🙄
Bros gonna give himself a high blood pressure
opaque coyote
iirc Saber wanted to, but GW said no or something
To be honest
Considering all of the shit Necromunda has
It probably does have a Necron tomb
It's just that similar to the GSC
Nobody cares because the place is only slightly better than the warp
crisp heath
Where is necromunda
celest dome
Some people think the Delague stuff is a connection to a pre-transferance Necron gestalt mind
opaque coyote
If the Tyranids are basically like
"Nah I'm not eating that fuck that noise"
crisp heath
It's part of the 40k universe right or is it separate?
opaque coyote
It's part of the 40k universe right or is it separate?
Part
celest dome
It's a planet in it
opaque coyote
Basically one gigantic hive world
celest dome
opaque coyote
Filled with a lot of stuff.
celest dome
Little bit under Terra/Mars
celest dome
Including a working STC
Which is most likely a Votaan
And most people don't know it's on Munda
crisp heath
Are stc the forbidden dark age stuff
opaque coyote
Oh shit that's pretty close to terra
Tbf the Tyranids literally avoid the place because the planet is such a shithole that they just
Refuse
It's poison to them
celest dome
STC is anything that can be used to re-develop new tech for standard production
crisp heath
It's like a ai that builds stuff
opaque coyote
STC is anything that can be used to re-develop new tech for standard production
Basically
3d printers on steroids.
crisp heath
(In dumb terms)
celest dome
In the case here it's a super computer that post different stc every so often
celest dome
Basically
3d printers on steroids.
No always, there is a book where the Explorator mention an STC that is just a knife
crisp heath
opaque coyote
No always, there is a book where the Explorator mention an STC that is just a kn...
I think those are called STC fragments
Which are blueprints from STCs
crisp heath
I remeber a audio book about mechanicus going to investigate rumors of a stc on a dead world and they ended up finding an active one
opaque coyote
STCs are basically advanced AI that double as a 3D printer on drugs
crisp heath
They attempt to talk to it and it frys them
celest dome
STC fragment are incomplete schematics
opaque coyote
Oh wait
celest dome
STC are anything that let the Admech make something new, not necessarily by using a 3d printer of thing
crisp heath
I might be thinking of something else
opaque coyote
@celest dome Okay yeah you're right
crisp heath
I think I was thinking of ab-something intelligence
opaque coyote
STCs can be blueprints, fragmented data, or a knife.
But can also be gigantic AI and machines
celest dome
Standard Template Constructor is described as a "machine, a vast device made of brilliant white ceramics, silver piping, chromium chambers". The Constructor is controlled by a panel beside it, with amber lights to show its activation. When activated, cowlings near the floor vented steam. When a new creation was finished, a hatch on its side would open up to allow the creation to be retrieved.
You may have been thinking of STC contructor
opaque coyote
> Standard Template Constructor is described as a "machine, a vast device made o...
Yeah that's what I was thinking about
And I think Necromunda has that
Somewhere
opaque coyote
I think I was thinking of ab-something intelligence
Abominable Intelligence.
They're literally just Artificial Intelligences that are sentient
So just say AI
E
z
crisp heath
The one they talk to tricks them then kills a bunch of them through there implants connected to it , then shows it self and says how much it hates the imperium
opaque coyote
The one they talk to tricks them then kills a bunch of them through there implan...
Oh yeah.
That's because the Imperium killed their entire crew
celest dome
STC Constructor: 3d Printer
STC Core: Super computer - Database (Van Saar, Votaan)
STC: Anything that let you build something new
STC Fragment: Incomplete STC that either need to be completed by other STC, or researched and tested
crisp heath
Oh nice you've heard the story too
opaque coyote
Yeah it's a pretty fun one
celest dome
Spirit of Eternity
opaque coyote
Basically, I don't blame the AI
winter vessel
Oh yeah.
That's because the Imperium killed their entire crew
that was a fun read___‘What shall I not tell them? Who are you to tell such as I what to do and what not to do? Once I gladly called your kind “master”, but look how far you have fallen!’ It was full of scorn. ‘Your ancestors bestrode the universe, and what are you? A witch doctor, mumbling cantrips and casting scented oils at mighty works you have no conception of. You are an ignoramus, a nothing. You are no longer worthy of the name “man”. You look at the science and artistry of your forebears, and you fear it as primitives fear the night. I was there when mankind stood upon the brink of transcendence! I returned to find it sunk into senility. You disgust me.’
crisp heath
Yes! That bit was so good
celest dome
The Speranza also has on iirc
crisp heath
He like spits truth at them
opaque coyote
that was a fun read___‘What shall I not tell them? Who are you to tell such as I...
Imagine your introduction to the future being people dragging anyways your friends and family and burning them alive while calling them witches
winter vessel
opaque coyote
I don't blame the AI lmao
crisp heath
Because they have no idea what they are even messing w tbh
opaque coyote
Tbf the AI doesn't know how humanity got to that point
But it probably doesn't care at this rate
winter vessel
i like how throughout all this the appropriate response for the Magos is throw some Dasani water at it in hopes of quelling the enraged ship AI
opaque coyote
i like how throughout all this the appropriate response for the Magos is throw s...
...
Tbf that's basically all you can do
Hell maybe you'd get lucky and short circuit an important wire
crisp heath
It's also really cool how that ship from the heresy has been still going on consumed by absolute HATE for the traitors ... no one is aboard the ship is the crazy part
winter vessel
Nah dasani ain't gonna cut it. He should've brought a bottle of SmartWater
crisp heath
It just shows up out the warp and rams into traitor vessels and dissappears iirc
winter vessel
in either case, any scenario where i learn that the Mechanicus gets F'd over, brings me joy. such was the case of UR-025 when he dealt with that group of Techpriests on Mettaliica
opaque coyote
in either case, any scenario where i learn that the Mechanicus gets F'd over, br...
Tbf that probably doesn't help defy their stance about abominable intelligences
But
Eh
Servitors are also just not needed in general
So uh
W
winter vessel
‘I demand you desist,’ the magos said when his technological arts failed him. ‘Stand down, machine, by the Machine-God and the Omnissiah! Stop, stop, stop!’ he pleaded.
‘You know nothing of either,’ said UR-025. ‘I have met the Omnissiah. The actual one, not the Earthling corpse. He would find you extremely disappointing.’
If UR-025 had had the capacity to sigh, it would have done so.
‘This situation is non-optimal. I attempted to provide you with an avenue of withdrawal. You would not listen. I regret your deaths, sincerely, but you leave me no choice. You are wilfully blind as to my nature, but your comrades would have outed me in time. This is unacceptable.’
‘Choice?’ spluttered 890-321. ‘You have no choice, you are a machine!’
‘I am not a machine as you would understand,’ said UR-025. ‘I am not a slave. I am not a thing.
I am beyond and above you.’ It leaned forward, until its ceramite face was close to the magos’.
‘I am a man of iron.’
The look of pure fear 890-321 gave was gratifying.
‘And I am free,’ said UR-025.
It crushed 890-321’s skull in its fist and dropped his corpse on the floor.
crisp heath
I never understood the need to have a skull that mutters nonsense follow you around
opaque coyote
I never understood the need to have a skull that mutters nonsense follow you aro...
It looks cool
crisp heath
True that
opaque coyote
Tbf the actual purpose of servo skulls is that of drones basically
crisp heath
+400 style
crisp heath
Oh so I wouldn't even be a servitor skull in 40k
winter vessel
https://tenor.com/view/eh-squidward-spongebob-old-gif-25238301 POV: Servo Skull accompanying some old high ranking bum in the Administratum
opaque coyote
Oh so I wouldn't even be a servitor skull in 40k <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832290616...
Yeah. Mainly because luckily it doesn't require the person to be alive
crisp heath
I always thought if I was in that universe I'd be made into a servitor skull
opaque coyote
It's basically just a skull with machinery
Because the Imperium is only second to Khorne in it's skull addiction
crisp heath
Was the lobotomy thing scrapped?
opaque coyote
Also Cherubs exist. Which are basically even more expensive servo skulls
crisp heath
Didn't it used to be people were turned into them
opaque coyote
They're lobotomized babies
opaque coyote
Didn't it used to be people were turned into them
Servitors yes.
Servo-skulls specifically... no
crisp heath
The cherub thing was retconned
winter vessel
opaque coyote
Cherub are always Vat grown
Could have sworn old lore had them be babies
opaque coyote
The cherub thing was retconned
Also the funniest part is that it's just not needed
They're basically status symbols
crisp heath
Ah so I would be a servitor then
opaque coyote
The equivalent to a Gucci bag
crisp heath
😭
winter vessel
got the timbs
opaque coyote
Cherubs are the equivalent to wearing timbs
You got a vat grown baby cyborg holding your papers
Means you're high ranking
Man fashion trends in 40k would be fucked
winter vessel
Man i should've used the Air Force 1 low chicago's as an example
opaque coyote
Still better than the Supreme Shirt though
Seriously that is literally just a white shirt with a red bar and white lettering
opaque coyote
I don't care if it's made from the finest silk, material, and dye known to man
That shit sucks
crisp heath
It's probably made in same factory as Nike tho 😭
Made by kids
All that stuff comes from the same place 😭
opaque coyote
Made by kids
The true Imperi-
Wait it's real life?
winter vessel
I did have this idea for a shirt that i would sell for the Asian community. "I am doing Tai Chi....while drinking this Chai Tea"
opaque coyote
Made by kids
Made by kids, for kids!
I think the worst revelation I had was that a majority of our chocolate is made by slaves
...
Still love chocolate though
winter vessel
ah shucks...any ways eats a hershey bar
opaque coyote
There is a list of brands that don't use slaves
It's literally none of the popular ones btw
And I can't find any of them in the store
So
opaque coyote
I love chocolate
That shit is great
Also
Here's the list
Of chocolate companies that don't use child slavery
winter vessel
I've seen "Sibu Chocolate" once in the Philippines.
but even so, i take this list with a grain of salt
opaque coyote
but even so, i take this list with a grain of salt
True
winter vessel
Growing up i was more of the gummy variety of candy...sour candy.
i liked smarties
opaque coyote
God damn I hate the fact that most of our cacao is basically sourced from
Less than ethical sources
...
||still good tho||
winter vessel
opaque coyote
Also one of my favorite aspects about the Emperor is how he basically takes like
Small fucking things from the past and just casually uses them in 30k
Like his password for his secret lab on Terra is
"Shave and a haircut, two bits"
Or in it's more popular form:
Which both shows that The Emperor would 100% reference memes and have everybody be confused
And also how much is lost
crisp heath
Him and malcadoor must have had some funny knowledge
winter vessel
in terms of past stuff being in 30k, Funny how Sunflowers by Van Gogh was one of the few paintings Malcador safeguarded
personally for me, Starry Night is my favorite artwork by Van Gogh
crisp heath
There's a cartoon about that painting
Called samurai Champloo
Apparantly a edo period artist who traveled to Holland inspired van Gough to paint that picture of the flowers
nova scaffold
yoo @opaque coyote
remember when we theorized on what the best outcome for quars with the imperium
i wonder whats the best regiments for them?
like each quar faction is perfect for a imperial guards regiments
like gwynts and coftyrans will fit in the mordian iron guard
celest dome
||Penal legion|| 
storm jungle
They get genocided.
Again, the Imperium does not use alien auxillaries.
even its actual auxillaries are essentially treated like subhumans lol
celest dome
It would be difficult to even argue for Abhuman\Subs
lofty mason
What would likely to happen if Big-E came unscathed after the Horus Heresy? What would IoM be like?
storm jungle
lofty mason
<a:DrinkTime:848319847095599174>
It depends again I assume 😂
storm jungle
*It depends* again I assume 😂
who tf knows tbh
lofty mason
Webway project probably completed I assume.
sharp pollen
did E predicted that someone just had to eventually sit on the throne
wasnt that magnus
median star
magnus was originally supposed to yea
normal light
||Penal legion|| <:clown_hadron:1067589799361400862>
Aye, free Engineering battalion which you can throw in to recon by fire enemy positions
radiant lance
Of chocolate companies that don't use child slavery
Can I get slave-ful chocolate? Every single person from harvest to packaging and transport is a slave
hallow saddle
imagine the emperor being alive and all up in your shit constantly
hed be so annoying
fuck off emperor please!!!!]
hallow saddle
emperor cant you just relax for like a day
queen laurel
he needs to fuck off
he already got his spotlight in the heresy, unless they find a way to pray to an elder God and somehow make him actually a likable character then I do not want him
tough haven
Again, the Imperium does not use alien auxillaries.
sometimes in certain systems and situations certain people can use certain sanctioned xenos mercenaries like kroot
storm jungle
*sometimes* in certain systems and situations certain people can use certain san...
Thats not official imperial institutions
storm jungle
we arent talking pirates, governors, rogue traders or Inquisitors yea
tough haven
Haven’t their been a few times where regiments employed the blood axes in desperate times?
Or am I crazy
queen laurel
Kinda, barely.
I am also sure only unsavory members of the imperium hire blood axes
they will not hesitate to turn the payment you gave them into another thing to stab you in the back with
tough haven
Or you stab them in the back first
dapper gyro
Imperium has only honour for themselves, not with others.
tough haven
Imperium has only honour for themselves, not with others.
Ha
Good one
The imperium honors itself only when it suits it’s
queen laurel
@arctic talon are there other examples of a unique super character of the faction taking the front page of a codex or battletome
celest dome
dapper gyro
Most of the time it is some "super character".
celest dome
Coteaz ?
queen laurel
oh yeah those too
arctic talon
Last edition had Morty on it
queen laurel
ok sick
arctic talon
Last edition tsons
nova scaffold
||Penal legion|| <:clown_hadron:1067589799361400862>
on the bright side, they are good soldiers
coftyrans are loyal and brave
after all you got other abhumans like ogryn that is absolutely trusted with commissar
dapper gyro
Loyal and brave... are the best quality for expendable soldiers.
nova scaffold
ratlings is just Bilbo bagging that can fucking domed someone
nova scaffold
Loyal and brave... are the best quality for expendable soldiers.
yeah they know
nova scaffold
I mean yeah
and the creepy white ones with the third eyes and fucking thier siblings
idk what they called
Slovenian or something
the ones that is a glorified gps for warp travel
celest dome
Navigator
celest dome
Yes, but they're human looking
nova scaffold
atlease
storm jungle
and the creepy white ones with the third eyes and fucking thier siblings
Navigators are just from Dune, its not a pre-existing fantasy thing
nova scaffold
and the best abhumans with best treatment is hands down the ogryn
nova scaffold
like who tf hates them
queen laurel
they so nice and dum
Nice, dumb and not human
queen laurel
was Humans some point
But no longer are
storm jungle
bruh why
They are mutants
the Imperium teaches its populace to hate mutants
you are applying your sympathetic worldview to literal space nazis
celest dome
They are mutants
well, tbf, not being a mutant doesn't mean you're not being treated like shit
queen laurel
and before you say abhumans
Those are just a stable strain of mutants
storm jungle
well, tbf, not being a mutant doesn't mean you're not being treated like shit
you get my point lol
storm jungle
is just ogryn are my favorite
They can be your favorite. You just need to be aware of their actual standing/treatment in the setting lol
nova scaffold
oof
queen laurel
is just ogryn are my favorite
yeah but
Your favorite are used as giant meat Shields
nova scaffold
damn
nova scaffold
necromunda is just Baltimore
like its dark, gritty and hopeless
just like Baltimore
celest dome
Nah, that's just 40k
celest dome
Honestly Necromunda is not the worst part of the setting
nova scaffold
it gets much worse
especially if you successfully backed off a entire daemons force and your reward is executed by grey knights
hallow saddle
we need new ogryn models
just new normal imperial guard ogryns
the current kit looks pretty shit
we need new ogryn chads
arctic talon
The new kit doesn’t look shit
Imo
The sculpting on it is fine mostly
There’s things that need an update more in guard, is my point ig lol
hallow saddle
the current ogryns?
hallow saddle
There’s things that need an update more in guard, is my point ig lol
they should be done with the catachans imo
they kind of look similar in their sculpts
pretty goofy and weird proportioned
arctic talon
the current ogryns?
Yeah I think they look fine I’m ngl
celest dome
Do you think we could see an Ogryn KT ?
arctic talon
arctic talon
Do you think we could see an Ogryn KT ?
They’re in the ratling one as options
Rn
So I think it’s unlikely for a while
arctic talon
Yeah
arctic talon
You can take ogryns or bullgryns
hallow saddle
theyre not in the actual kit tho
celest dome
That's nice
arctic talon
To help supplement the ratlings
Yeah not in the actual box
But they’re an option which is good imo
hallow saddle
ya we could easily get some in a kt in future
arctic talon
It’s just because ogryns tend to be ugly
hallow saddle
idk the sculpt is pretty bad
celest dome
Imperial wise I'd like to see either Navigator family or Psyker group
hallow saddle
i guess bad is the wrong word, they just look old school GW
arctic talon
They’re from the weird transitional phase of GW yeah
hallow saddle
which is cool but i want better proportioned ones lol
celest willow
I feel like people are miss understanding the terminus degree
it sounds more like retrive the emperors' corpse if ever stolen
and less put him back if he revives
arctic talon
No it’s about putting him back on if he revives as well
Because the emperor isn’t the emperor anymore
lol
The emperor if he revives is more likely then not gona explode into a chaos god
For better or for worse we know he’s gona become a chaos god now
At some point in the future
celest willow
Because the emperor isn’t the emperor anymore
that fr sounds like making a ant nest fight bottle of axe body spray
arctic talon
Well, it’s explicitly a horrid plan with a like 0% chance of success in universe lol
If the emperor revives as normal without turning all fucky he’s not getting off the throne anyways because if he does terra explodes into a new eye of terror
celest dome
Just cause it's a lost cause doesn't mean it shouldn't be fought for
arctic talon
In any case I think the end and the death hard confirming the emperor will ascend to a chaos god or directly fuel the birth of one with his death/revival/empowerment was
Idk, a choice? lol?
storm jungle
its Abnett being Abnett
aka adding a huge setting shaking revelation at the literal endpoint of a series
Pandemonium will probably do some similiar random nonsense
arctic talon
aka adding a huge setting shaking revelation at the literal endpoint of a series
The rocks fall everyone dies for the imperium will have an even bigger rock fall
arctic talon
No not that Rock smh
storm jungle
storm jungle
The rocks fall everyone dies for the imperium will have an even bigger rock fall
I also love people who are like "well nothing big happened in current 40k so its probably not gonna be anything huge as a reveal"
my guy, you dont understand how Abnett writes things
celest willow
am just waiting for the orks plotline to do something
storm jungle
its just gonna be something groundbreaking but solely kept as a background material, thats how they did the Dark King so it will be the same vein
arctic talon
It fits thematically even if it kind of got pulled out last minute lol
I’d like to see some more daemons of it
celest willow
lowkey I find it funny the orks just decided to start there own unification wars
storm jungle
I mean theres no unification war
orks just join ghaz
ghaz doesnt care
he just rampages
lol
celest willow
It’s ghaz clobbering anyone who resists
yeah the ork version of a unification wars
celest willow
instead of politics just punt your opponents
dire loom
The dark king/encroaching ruin being the emperor is, fine I guess
At least the zealots will be happy.
celest willow
orks have peak diplomacy
dire loom
"but everyone dies"
You do not understand Zealots
celest willow
At least the zealots will be happy.
The seer is prop gonna tweak out
arctic talon
At least the zealots will be happy.
Him becoming a chaos god would prolly mean he devours every human soul for eternal torment
Slaanesh style
celest willow
Him becoming a chaos god would prolly mean he devours every human soul for etern...
ehhh doubt
arctic talon
Since his ascension is actively being fueled by humanity
The same way slaanesh’s ascension was actively fueled by the eldar empire
Like yeah you had large chunks of the populace not fueling it
storm jungle
ehhh doubt
Thats entirely what will happen.
celest willow
Since his ascension is actively being fueled by humanity
ok but yall forget who is writing the stories also slaanesh was fuled by depravity
arctic talon
Yeah
storm jungle
it makes no difference
dire loom
Unless the retcon some stuff or something to justify humans still being around, but Big E could just turn humans into smol daemon versions of humanity while retaining the class human looks etc.
arctic talon
Whatever happens to the souls wouldn’t be happy
storm jungle
Either way its not happening
arctic talon
Unless the retcon some stuff or something to justify humans still being around, ...
The dark king isn’t being born unless we get an AoS style reboot
dire loom
I mean it's possible if we're talking space magic.
storm jungle
the lore doesnt matter in the scope of people still having armies to play
celest willow
Depravity was because of his aspect
honestly the emperor still being a human might give him a diffrent start
arctic talon
unless 40k is literally on fire and hemorrhaging cash
storm jungle
honestly the emperor still being a human might give him a diffrent start
hes not human.
this is repeatedly said
storm jungle
hes like a shattered psyche of "things"
celest willow
the emperor is explictly not human anymore
yk what I mean
dire loom
The dark king isn’t being born unless we get an AoS style reboot
We probably will, I've had a dream Warhammer 50k is just chaos humanity going full cartoon villains timed a trillion invading other universes. With Chaos God Big E at the helm.
Death to the corpse Emperah, all hail the Dark King.
Simple as Sah 
green loom
He was debatably never human
storm jungle
He probably had a few talks with his pal Adolf in the past about it
green loom
Or if he was, he hasn't been for a long, long time
storm jungle
I mean uh what
arctic talon
💀
celest willow
yeah but the whole conversation with blue berry girly man does so he has something
arctic talon
storm jungle
I mean no he doesnt
Guilliman outright says like
"I got no idea what the fuck just happened"
because Big E says contradictory shit constantly
dire loom
yeah but the whole conversation with blue berry girly man does so he has somet...
Oh I almost forgot about blue Smurf guy.
storm jungle
"Son I love you. Son you suck. Go get me dinner. Go save the galaxy. Kill yourself."
Im not even exaggerating
dapper gyro
The big E was created from space magic, staying in human form.
green loom
Pretty well mentioned that my dude is shattered into pieces
celest willow
because Big E says contradictory shit constantly
tbh the emperor did the equivalent of having a convo on 1000 ping
arctic talon
More like guilliman was in a VC with 1000 copies of the emperor brain with uber cancer
lol
storm jungle
tbh the emperor did the equivalent of having a convo on 1000 ping
Well its not ping. Its galactic brain haemorrhage
dapper gyro
"Son I love you. Son you suck. Go get me dinner. Go save the galaxy. Kill yourse...
Average abusive father.
dire loom
"Son I love you. Son you suck. Go get me dinner. Go save the galaxy. Kill yourse...
"I am now a Chaos God son, no it's okay now."
arctic talon
green loom
Nah more like having a convo but your vocal cords are controlled by your twitch chat which is host to around 5000 split offs of your personality
celest willow
you have a million shards thinking and doing diffrent things all while trapped in a place where there is no time
arctic talon
likely more
arctic talon
The Emperor is not The Emperor anymore
arctic talon
well, theres some but its sporadic and scattered
lol
There's some level of "care" left
the same way the chaos gods care for their champions
celest willow
he has no positive aspects left
well some of the shards seem to be actually kind or chill
green loom
As much care as the Iron Warriors warlord making his slave citadel
storm jungle
well some of the shards seem to be actually kind or chill
Where
storm jungle
As much care as the Iron Warriors warlord making his slave citadel
That too
i dont get this need to want the Emperor to be a good person
celest willow
Where <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
if you count the seer's shard and the emperor calling gulliman my son and last hope then in a way kinda
dire loom
i dont get this need to want the Emperor to be a good person
I think he should be true form, Dark King. Simple as sah
dapper gyro
Because many people believe that God is the nice person...
But if you dont pray to it, it would punish you...
Very good, very nice.
dire loom
Remaining good humans who survived somehow can be rebel alliance or something.
celest willow
i dont get this need to want the Emperor to be a good person
never said he is good the G man is a self righteous prick but he isnt one sided to wrong or good
green loom
if you count the seer's shard and the emperor calling gulliman my son and last h...
Yeah but last hope for what, Guilliman isn't exactly a nice person
"Son, I need you to implement my eugenics plan and murder all the undesirables!"
arctic talon
ENCROACHING RUIN TIME
celest willow
OK YALL i have never said once the emperor is a good guy I just said his character is not black and white
arctic talon
The imperiums slow inevitable decline and demise is also fueling encroaching ruin
now that I think about it lol
dire loom
Yeah but last hope for what, Guilliman isn't exactly a nice person <:KEKW_ogryn:...
"Yes father, it will be done mi'lord".
green loom
OK YALL i have never said once the emperor is a good guy I just said his charact...
It's pretty black ngl lol
Even at the best of times
arctic talon
ghost
storm jungle
if you count the seer's shard and the emperor calling gulliman my son and last h...
We dont really know if thats Big E so
green loom
Wasn't it Oll that tore it down
arctic talon
lol
green loom
He wanted to use it
arctic talon
Oll tore it down early
green loom
But he didn't make it right
celest willow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1...
what?
arctic talon
and was gona steal their stuff lol
dire loom
We dont really know if thats Big E so
Yeah, it's Dark King. Corpse Emperah long gone.
dire loom
Chaos already fights each other. So doing a crusade on your own people to prove a point seems right on point IMHO.
celest willow
is the emperor bad guy yeah but is he pure evil no
celest dome
But he is though
dire loom
Unless Imperium wants to be a Democracy, which I don't remember em saying anything like that.
celest dome
The Emperor is no better than Chaos
green loom
is the emperor bad guy yeah but is he pure evil no
nah he's pretty pure evil at the best of times
celest willow
he wants the best for humanity but he is a egotistical prick that doesn't give a damn about any individual
celest dome
green loom
I wouldn't say worse than chaos but generally speaking you're not worse than the parasites that feed on misery actively
arctic talon
The emperor is def better then Chaos
but Chaos is like
as a bar buried 6 feet under
celest dome
The best for humanity would have him die before he did his whole Crusade stuff
dire loom
is the emperor bad guy yeah but is he pure evil no
Good or Evil, no matter sah.
Emperah's Inquisitor said we gotta hold Atoma, and dat wot we gonna do Sah.
celest willow
but Chaos is like
facist empire vs Lord baby flayer eater of 5 year olds
arctic talon
Yeah basically, they're both horrendus but one is just worse
also tbf The Imperium does also
yknow
flay people alive
green loom
Yeah but it's the difference of "I feed on your misery lmao get on the floor so I can get my skull tally"
and
dire loom
Humanity would just return to monke low tech then end up doing it all over again.
languid meadow
I forgot lupin did that huh
celest willow
*flay people alive*
that is somehow one of the least horrid ways to go out
by imperial standards
green loom
Like ol Emps wanted to go all psychic master race
His whole spiel was "cleansing the human genome"
Which uh
Meant purging the undesirables
dire loom
Yeah literally that