40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

which is abit pointless like i said. everybody already knows what 40k is, other companies wont ever be able to deceive people

[arctic talon]

A lot of copyright laws

across the world

are all dogshit in their own special way

[raven stone]

Not just UK in some cases.
Germany copyright law?
If the holder doesn’t enforce the copyright on fan works…the fan automatically earns the rights to the copyright. Without question.

That was why GW has to shutdown a German fan animation back in the day.

[crystal forum]

that sounds awesome in theory but terrible in application

[raven stone]

Exactly!

As GW and 40k animation fans found out.

[raven stone]

Could be over simplifying but yes, apparently that is how Germany rolls…

[crystal forum]

it's hard to make looser copyright laws that companies cant just brute force around

[raven stone]

That’s the thing with laws…if it is there, it’s there and is meaningless unless enforced to the max

[crystal forum]

the way germany does it is literally like a digital squatter's rights

[raven stone]

Law has always been the poor, broke cousin of sense, morality, and wisdom…

[crystal forum]

it hinges on the idea that the holder isn't aware or doesnt care enough to keep the IP

[raven stone]

In order to enforce the idea of freedom of expression…pretty much.

[crystal forum]

i think a better version would be that the holder has to keep using the IP or it becomes public domain

[raven stone]

That is a more sensible approach, but sadly someone somewhere will also find a loophole when it does get written as a full law lol

[crystal forum]

this already sorta exists but companies brute force their way around it as well

google is trying hard to enforce their copyright since googling is becoming too generic

[raven stone]

I still remember the warnings from legal about things like Penadol or Penicillin becoming public use words

[crystal forum]

anyways the american legal system is dog shit too thanks to disney

[raven stone]

Heh

[crystal forum]

70 years after your death

70 fucking years

basically 6 generations of people cant enjoy an IP

[raven stone]

And irony is IIRC Walt himself is not that sort

But his inheritors, well…

Night and day.

Also, that thing about Disney avoiding responsibility for a park allergy death

Because of some agreement signed for Disney+

You know the case.

[crystal forum]

that one is a pure example of how the legal system is fucked

Disney wanted to keep their massive overreaching exclusion clause so they took the huge PR disaster

apparently disney backtracked though

[raven stone]

I mean. They would have to

Given the backlash

[nocturne crest]

I got a question. Can a space marine chapters continue to function without their pyskers?

[hexed orchid]

Some chapters don't even use them. Like the black templars

[nocturne crest]

I ask this, because the Angels Pentient killed all of theirs.

Oh.

[arctic talon]

yes

Librarians aren't necessary

though they do keep the history of the chapter

as they're also actual librarians

[hexed orchid]

Not exactly ideal if you're dealing with chaos a lot though

[crystal forum]

custodes manage fine without psykers

[arctic talon]

SoS

[spare osprey]

boutta say, got them for a reason lol

[crystal forum]

they dont bring the along all the time

[celest dome]

I do wonder if a Psyker Custodes will ever appear in lore

[arctic talon]

explictly their creation process doesn't allow for it for some reason

but if GW wants to change that they could

[spare osprey]

i think if they do it

they should make them like super outrageous

do a modok custodes pysker

https://tenor.com/view/modok-marvel-super-hero-squad-shss-super-hero-squad-show-gif-10222362416717579316

[crystal forum]

damn did you guys know that sinderman lived for more than 1500 years

[spare osprey]

ye he went by another name or smth like that

went insane

[crystal forum]

named characters really do live for however long the plot desires

although this is war of the beast lore

[dapper gyro]

It could also be that they already have somewhat of warp manipulation to counter the warp corruption. Like, even without the SoS, they are already as wrap resistance as the GK, if not more.

[crystal forum]

wait grey knights have the emperor's gene seed?

how does that even work

[dapper gyro]

But making them stronger might counter their own SoS.

[crystal forum]

if they have the emperor's genes doesn't that make them equal to custodes

[paper haven]

As if the grey knights weren't self inserty enough

[arctic talon]

We don't know

lol

Its a rumor in universe

There's no solid info on the Grey Knights geneseed

explictly

[crystal forum]

seems to have a ton of quotes

so im guessing it's real

[arctic talon]

okay explictly its the Grey Knights think

they do not know

the citations do not say that

I would know that as a fact as I have unfortunately read the 5e Grey Knights codex

[dapper gyro]

Grey knight seeds could be a customized side project of the big E when he was still crafting stuff.

And so it could be considered "big E's seed".

[crystal forum]

that doesnt make sense since grey knights were founded in the middle of the HH

[arctic talon]

We do not truly know where the grey knights gene-seed comes from

aside from Big E having made it

[crystal forum]

emp didnt have time to make something new

[dapper gyro]

Like how SM is big E "design".

[arctic talon]

its likely modified

from existing geneseed

maybe magnus's

[crystal forum]

simple conclusion is it's one of the lost primarchs

[arctic talon]

or its some weird project the selenar had

lol

[dapper gyro]

It could just be the best of every legion.

[crystal forum]

we'd see mutations then

and there arent any

[arctic talon]

we know the Emperor did engineer something from it

based on himself

but its not actually like

Big E's geneseed

Big E cannot have geneseed as he's a human

[crystal forum]

he would have given that to custodes if he did

[arctic talon]

Geneseed in general

was a "hack" job

quick to implement

can shove it into kids

[crystal forum]

"human"

[arctic talon]

Downsides were, only worked well on kids to young teens, male only and can cause horrific death

but its not like Marines were meant to be permenant

[crystal forum]

i thought grey knights were inducted from other chapters but i guess it's psyker kids

[arctic talon]

well

the original round was

The original Knights Errant were just normal marines

mostly

[crystal forum]

also the hardest mfers in the galaxy at the time

[dapper gyro]

Every primarches have flaw, so are their geneseeds, but if you pick the best of each, it could in theory make the best SM.

[paper haven]

Could just be that Ward had no idea how Gene-seed works

[dapper gyro]

Nah, he does.

[arctic talon]

Ward does know how gene-seed works

as much as its funny to shit on him

man does know his lore

[paper haven]

Sigh

[arctic talon]

The Grey Knights thinking their seed comes from Big E is meant to be an in universe delusion/they believe its that way thing

[paper haven]

Well it tracks

[dapper gyro]

Typical propaganda...

[crystal forum]

i like deathwatch so much more than GK since it's made up of fallible space marine veterans instead of infallible demigods with all the gimmicks

[dapper gyro]

I believe he is also the one behind the redemption of the UM, moving away from the UltraSmurf fluff.

[arctic talon]

Nah

he uh

he's the one who wrote that stuff

lol

[dapper gyro]

I know, but toned down quite a bit now.

[arctic talon]

Ward has had as many hits as he's had misses

tbh

Unfortunately

his misses are uh

BIG

[dapper gyro]

He did big big misses earlier on.

[paper haven]

Legendary

But I thought Graham McNeil made the UM a little more tolerable

[arctic talon]

Grahm is the big one

with the ventris novels tbh

[dapper gyro]

Ward kind of tried to fix many of it, but he is forever remembered as the "Every SM want to be UM"...

[arctic talon]

we don't know who truly unfucked UM overtime

Since GW stopped crediting authors after Ward got uh

[paper haven]

The Greatest of Them All

[arctic talon]

many colorful letters

[paper haven]

Are the ULTRAMARINES

[arctic talon]

reminder the average Knight errant looked like this

most boring ass scheme ever cooked up by GW

[dapper gyro]

Primer scheme

[paper haven]

Practical is often boring

[arctic talon]

real

[dapper gyro]

It is not even practical...

[paper haven]

At least they're easy to paint

[arctic talon]

but there's a good reason

why 99% of knight errant conversions

use Grey Knight parts, and don't follow Bligh's god given vision

of a Mk6 tactical marine in gunmetal grey

[crystal forum]

it needs way more personality but i get it

knight errants shouldnt be in terminator

[arctic talon]

Tbh Bligh's vision for line marines

was very very very funny

Which was just

NO ORNAMENTS ALLOWED

and then he broke his own rule in later blackbooks because holy fuck they'd be boring to look at for color sheets

[crystal forum]

for HH?

[arctic talon]

yes

[crystal forum]

i guess that makes sense lore wise

[arctic talon]

Bligh wants all Line marines aside from SGTs to have no ornimentation

well wanted

he changed on that stance slightly later on

[dapper gyro]

Don't the more tactical legions like the RG+ successors do that as well?

[arctic talon]

yeah a few modern chapters are like that as well

RG are notoriously light on ornamentation generally

Raptors literally use almost none as well

[dapper gyro]

Like they actually remove every blink blink in combat.

[arctic talon]

I'd make a joke about Bligh hating Drip

but he did in fact love drip

[crystal forum]

for HH it makes sense since there's just so many space marines

and they were less elite than in 40k

[dapper gyro]

They are always the maliciously compliance ones.

[arctic talon]

bligh's perfect line marine

in essence lol

[crystal forum]

i like that

as an iron hand stan

[dapper gyro]

IF are always blinking...

[arctic talon]

he later broke that rule in like

Blackbook 3

[crystal forum]

when you have 50 marine units why would you try to make them all unique

[arctic talon]

tbh

people like doing it

theyre their little guys

[crystal forum]

you have so many though

it's like trying to customize a cadian shock trooper

i only customize my unique iron hand boys

it makes them stand out more from the normie units

[arctic talon]

but yeah under Bligh's original rules in Blackbook 1 and 2 this was all a no no

prolly for the best he changed his mind

[crystal forum]

oh wait you mean even chapter stuff was not allowed?

[arctic talon]

Yes

lol

[crystal forum]

i thought you meant purity seals and stuff

[arctic talon]

No ornamentation of any sorts

what so ever

only campaign insignias and heraldry

[crystal forum]

that ruins the fun of mark 5 armour

[dapper gyro]

Lol, that's just like real life military.

[languid meadow]

No fun sign

[dapper gyro]

In the field, no tag allowed.

[arctic talon]

but yeah you can tell when he changed his mind.

These were both meant to be

as distinct as you could get for line marines

with the minor helmet/backpack changes lol

[crystal forum]

see ok that works for me

if you can change the armour a bit

since late heresy is meant to be full of improvised shit

[arctic talon]

well this was meant to be early heresy/great crusade era

for blackbooks 1 and 2

[dapper gyro]

For the guard, it does make more sense since each regiment are different. But for SM... it is not a bright idea.

[crystal forum]

i guess the rule is dumb in the sense that it applies to everybody

[arctic talon]

non standard MK5 mogs normal MK5

[crystal forum]

some people would like more unique units

[arctic talon]

well thats what legion specialists and veterans were for

those could have unique stuff

[crystal forum]

ye that works then

mark 5 is meant to be hodge podge

imo it shouldn't have a distinct look

the FW resin models dont do it justice

i love the idea of space marines fighting with whatever they can get their hands on

[arctic talon]

well

production MK5 vs field Mk5

They made that retcon solution

[crystal forum]

i dont like production mk5 is what im saying

[arctic talon]

fair

[crystal forum]

you shouldn't be using mk5 marines if you want something that looks standard

you already have 2, 3, 4 and 6

[arctic talon]

Owlcat Dark heresy info

We will in fact be Anton Zerbe's bitch valued and respected underling

[crystal forum]

so is dark heresy going to be turn based

[nova scaffold]

hay @crystal forum wanna hear a fun fact'

[crystal forum]

no

[nova scaffold]

female quar is distinctiveby having shorter snoot and larger eyes

[nova scaffold]

to late

you cant unfun-fact it

its already fun facted

[celest dome]

Fist fight between a Womble and Quar, who win

[nova scaffold]

quar has guns

[arctic talon]

Yes like Rogue trader

unless they add a realtime mode

[nova scaffold]

and actual military training

[arctic talon]

like they did with pathfinder mode

[nova scaffold]

these gaggle fucks has no military training and weaponaries

[celest dome]

The Wombles have more modern level of tech

[nova scaffold]

instant folded by superior weaponaries and traning

[celest dome]

So probably the same thing for their military

[nova scaffold]

better be not star trek level cringe

[crystal forum]

you better not start trashing star trek

[celest dome]

Modern...

Star Trek is not modern level of tech

[nova scaffold]

star trek is goofy

you telling me every planet and xenos can somehow speak perfect english

their weapons is a tv remote

tf you gonna do

switch to channel 2 on my ass?

[crystal forum]

have you watched one of the series

[nova scaffold]

eh no because im off put by the weapons and uniforms

on the plus side

star trek ships do look cool

thats the saving grace

anything else is goofy

[crystal forum]

dude the original series came out in 1966

[nova scaffold]

all these years and the fit is still mid

😭

[celest dome]

Doesn't Star Trek have universal translaters ?

[nova scaffold]

if i had to wear that, ill just open the air lock or join the borg

[crystal forum]

it does

it's even part of the plot of some episodes

[nova scaffold]

its called plot

[crystal forum]

since some alien languages are so weird that it can't be translated

[nova scaffold]

where somehow a uncontacted species of aliens can speak perfect english

[celest dome]

Do you consider that 40k having all its character to speak english to also be plot ?

[celest dome]

again, universal translater

[crystal forum]

in the original series there's an alien race that speaks only in metaphores so even if you can understand them in english it makes no sense

see how creative that is

[nova scaffold]

well the imperium solved it by oppression and spread of the empire

[nova scaffold]

its just sound silly

[crystal forum]

wtf do you mean

[nova scaffold]

like atlease its more intresting to understanding a language

like star wars has basic, hutties and more

and they sound cool

[crystal forum]

there literally are linguists in the setting

klingons have their own words and everything

[celest dome]

Vulkan language an all

[nova scaffold]

and it makes the universe and world building intresting

[crystal forum]

there's a whole language for klingons

it's like the stereotype of star trek nerds that they speak it

[celest dome]

Hell there is even a story about a French and Portuguese couple that met at a Star Trek convention, fell in love and for the 1st couple of month they had to speak in one of the Star Trek language while learning the other ones language

[crystal forum]

and anyways star trek wasn't focused on world building like modern sci fi. it had actual concepts and messages

[nova scaffold]

like you got this

that

and this

these three are cool and uniqe

and yet you got charathers speaks it

like aliens dont need to speak english to be cool, like jabba the hutt is cool because hes a hutt. hutts has a massive criminal enterprise

[celest dome]

Do people speak any of the language from Star Wars though

[nova scaffold]

yes

alot of aliens dont speak basic

[crystal forum]

why are we comparing settings here

stat trek and star wars are completely different settings

[celest dome]

I mean in RL

[nova scaffold]

because i see language as deep for each charathers

[crystal forum]

again there are languages in star trek

if that's your criteria then you're just wrong

[nova scaffold]

yeah but the universal translator just killed the uniqueness

[celest dome]

I do want to remind that he went on Star Trek cause I said the Womble have more 'modern' level of technology

Except that the different language are used in the different shows

[crystal forum]

do you expect people to learn the alien language while listening on their tv???

[nova scaffold]

it makes it intresting

and makes me want to learn about it

like jawas for example

[celest dome]

What about the fact that all Hut language is being translated by the Droids

[vagrant fox]

I wish Marc Okrand developed Atlantean more instead of lameass Klingon 💯 💪

[celest dome]

Fish people shouldn't talk

[nova scaffold]

like you cant understand jack shit and you know you gonna get robbed

because they are children sized rats

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/date-trash-throw-sea-footsteps-gif-17869157

[crystal forum]

have you heard klingons

[nova scaffold]

but the culture and history is intrestin

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/XH1Ou5MKhnU?si=pV82SI5ftjCuMQ1-

[crystal forum]

their language sounds brutal

[nova scaffold]

yeah

thats jawas in a nutshell

[crystal forum]

they literally eat living beings since they think it tastes better

[celest dome]

Does Jawas even translate to anything ?

[vagrant fox]

Don't worry they're just normal people in an under ocean volcano

[opaque coyote]

The first Star Wars movie isn't about Luke being a hero.

It's about Luke getting out of the Hood

[celest dome]

Like they just scream Utini iirc

[arctic talon]

Jawa language is translatable

[opaque coyote]

Knowing the Jawas

[arctic talon]

they just can't speak basic properly

[opaque coyote]

Probably a slur

[nova scaffold]

they can understand you but not you

and they will steal yo shit

[celest dome]

Yes, but we don't have any translation sheet or anything

[nova scaffold]

micro chicargo resident

[celest dome]

Unlike for example Klingon, or Lotr Elvish

[crystal forum]

btw tatooine is straight up ripped off arrakis

[nova scaffold]

fun fact

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/QlPvfrB9TpQ?si=EfDB4o7-t0oMpUMi

[arctic talon]

None of the star wars languages have a translation sheet iirc

[nova scaffold]

tatooine used to be a planet like earth but they got glassed

[opaque coyote]

Utini

[arctic talon]

unless you count the uh

Arubesh?

Whatever the fuck the written language is

[crystal forum]

and it has giant worms and everything

straight up dune

[nova scaffold]

electrocuted and steal your wallet

[crystal forum]

anyways fuck you for slandering the original star trek and TNG

[nova scaffold]

shit is fuckin dry

[opaque coyote]

Again given that the Jawas only say "Utini" when they're attacking or surprised.

I am 90% sure it is either a slur or a curse word.

[nova scaffold]

racism

[crystal forum]

may gene roddenberry smite you

[opaque coyote]

100%

[nova scaffold]

i just hate the uniform and weapons

[nova scaffold]

they might be rat furries

[crystal forum]

5 second attention span zoomer

[nova scaffold]

no the desert planet is dry because no moisters

[spare osprey]

dweeb take

[opaque coyote]

If there is no subway surfers, how am I supposed to pay attention

[celest dome]

Anycase, linguistically, Star Trek is way more complete than any Star Wars language ever got

[spare osprey]

TNG fit is FIRE

[nova scaffold]

the uniform in a nutshell

[crystal forum]

i think DS9 perfected it

[celest dome]

read what I wrote 💀

[spare osprey]

lowk their enemies are in the same boat, like it's a similar aesthetic all around lol

[nova scaffold]

im talking about the uniforms

[spare osprey]

also i've seen that pic used for star wars and like

that's just wrong lol

the rebels look cool

[nova scaffold]

i hate star trek uniforms

[opaque coyote]

Also on an unrelated note. https://youtube.com/shorts/_FJGQ7Hae2I?si=f_45eGfUzMS6xIot

[crystal forum]

next thing you'll do is complain about ST aliens being too humanoid

[opaque coyote]

THIS PRISON

TO HOLD ME?

[arctic talon]

I LOVE INSURGENCIES

RAAAAAAAAAAH

the rebels look great side from the ship defense ones

lol

[crystal forum]

i swear people forget that star trek was a mid budget tv show

[opaque coyote]

Tbf I think it was originally due to budget + TV show + literally being made in the 1960s

[spare osprey]

see i like versions of it

mainly that helmet

[arctic talon]

the helmet is like

fine

[opaque coyote]

And then it kinda got adapted into its lore

[arctic talon]

imo it doesn't look great with the basic uniform

make it different colors to match the uniforms and I'd love it

[spare osprey]

like kota's dudes i love

[crystal forum]

i just think it's dumb how people want the entire sci fi genre to conform to a tight box

[arctic talon]

I agree

I hate how battlefront 1 and 2

do the rebel helmets

its always the same fucking white one

[nova scaffold]

exacally, star wars uniform is absolute peak

like is absolutly peak

[arctic talon]

It doesn't matter what fucking uniform they actually have

lol

[crystal forum]

have you seen the original uniforms

[nova scaffold]

star trek

[crystal forum]

like damn compare the show to the correct era of star wars

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/klingon-star-trek-gif-10678359

like you're fighting the klingons man

might aswell do it in office wear

[opaque coyote]

Generic pedestrian opinion

Star wars and Star Trek have cool outfits

[crystal forum]

plus humanity in ST isn't going for a warrior look

[nova scaffold]

like hell yeah i might gonna get hit by a artillery shell and lose both legs and bleed to death but at lease i look ✨ fabulous✨

[crystal forum]

especially not star fleet

[arctic talon]

is starfleet not like

[crystal forum]

star fleet is meant to explore and be friendly to new aliens

[arctic talon]

a utopic/post scarcity exploration thing

yeah

[crystal forum]

it's the navy too

[arctic talon]

I've barely watched any star trek

[spare osprey]

honestly yeah, like they have different purposes

[crystal forum]

phasers arent meant for war either

they're tools foremost

they're not meant to look like guns

there's a ton of alien guns in the series

[spare osprey]

idk if picard mr "Prime Directive" would want his peeps in armor like that

[dapper gyro]

A lot of Star Wars designs are based on the early 20th century naval dresses.

[nova scaffold]

even the civilian cloths look great

[dapper gyro]

Mixed with the that period plating.

[spare osprey]

TNG is great

and i am a fan of voyager

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-iguana-star-trek-voyager-computer-deactivate-iguana-robert-picardo-gif-15664855114012727811

[arctic talon]

neat

[crystal forum]

i didn't like voyager purely because of neelix

may he rot in hell

[nova scaffold]

like the clothing's in Tatooine everyone wearing scruffy and durable to handle sandy environment

[spare osprey]

beef with neelix is crazy

[nova scaffold]

because have fun keeping your car clean

[crystal forum]

it's not even the character it's the makeup that disgusts me

[nova scaffold]

iguana despawned

[crystal forum]

it genuinely makes me queasy

i cant watch the show at all

[dapper gyro]

The only thing I dont like about Star Wars is how big of a different between armour grades are.

[nova scaffold]

like you can see the leg and arm wrapping to prevent sand to get in

and its not flashy

[crystal forum]

DSP9 is my favorite because of the continuing overarching plot

it feels like the show actually had something going on

[spare osprey]

i've lowk never seen deep space

prob should

[crystal forum]

it's soooo good

quark is rough at first but he grows on you

and all the characters evolve throughout the series

[nova scaffold]

hay can you give me reason about the star trek chothings in your defense

[spare osprey]

that the ferengi dude?

[nova scaffold]

like why

and are they get paid enough to wear that

[crystal forum]

the space goy

jk

but all the characters are completely changed at the final season it's so satisfying

[nova scaffold]

are you listening ?

[crystal forum]

no

[spare osprey]

lmao

i been without smth to watch for a while so i might start it

[nova scaffold]

oh

[celest dome]

Uniform, you don't need armour inside your own ship

[crystal forum]

careful because you might get too attached and sad when it ends 😭

[nova scaffold]

no, you dont need to wear armor in ships, uniforms is basically chohings you allowed to wear by the company or military

[spare osprey]

happens with literally all media i consume don't worry

[celest dome]

Yes I know what an uniform mean

[nova scaffold]

like compare to the imperial uniforms, they look cool

[dapper gyro]

Dress uniform vs combat uniform.

[nova scaffold]

yes

that

[celest dome]

Imperial uniform aren't really interesting to me

[dapper gyro]

It is indeed very bland.

[crystal forum]

i think both settings have good uniforms

[spare osprey]

i like the director outfit but beyond that they don't like

stick out

[crystal forum]

and they are meant to be bland it's the empire

[nova scaffold]

they do that for being orderly and clean

[dapper gyro]

I'm not questioning that.

[crystal forum]

it's the entire empire aesthetic to be drab and grey

just watch andor

[nova scaffold]

like i want to know why star trek be like this

it looks like black jeans and polo shirts from walmart

[spare osprey]

YELLOW IS THE ONLY ARMOR I NEED RAHHHH

[dapper gyro]

Star Trek is colourful, but very simple.

[nova scaffold]

LMAO WHAT IS THAT

[spare osprey]

cause it's a campy sci fi show about the bettering of the galaxy

like

it's just what the setting is lol

[crystal forum]

we need to reuse the uniform when they die

[hexed orchid]

Plot armour?

It is pretty good armour to be fair

[crystal forum]

star trek doesn't have plot armor it has side character death syndrome

[spare osprey]

lowk i'm curious, what rank of star trek crew died the most in the show

[celest dome]

Red

[sour hornet]

When i shoot an Imperial fists fan in the head but it only hits their brain

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-star-trek-tos-kaboom-red-shirt-gif-25136437

[crystal forum]

red is the classic but i dont think it's actually the most death inducing

[nova scaffold]

also btw guess the second image

[nova scaffold]

hes allergic to rocks

[dapper gyro]

They are indeed hard headed.

[sour hornet]

Both of them are bland

[spare osprey]

it's the wiggles yeah

[celest dome]

Of the 55 crew members killed in the series, twenty-four were wearing red shirts, compared to fifteen who had unconfirmed shirt colors, nine in gold shirts, and seven in blue shirts.

[opaque coyote]

When I shoot an Ork in the head but it only hits their brain

[dapper gyro]

But as long as the IF fan is not also BT fan, it is manageable.

[nova scaffold]

they look the same

[opaque coyote]

So wear black shirts

Got it

[spare osprey]

WARHAMMER NAVY SUPREMACY

lowk i want more navy art

[sour hornet]

me when I step on an anti tank mine in the 3rd Sino-Australian Hyperwar

[opaque coyote]

Navy MFS get miniguns

Why don't we have miniguns

[arctic talon]

The navy in the imperium have infinite drip

[crystal forum]

"what the fuck am i wearing" drip

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

40k has infinite drip

[spare osprey]

i really need to write my fat admiral

[arctic talon]

Every faction has mad drip

[crystal forum]

my chestplace has BUILT IN SEXTANTS

[celest dome]

If there is anything that warhammer can win on, it's drip

[opaque coyote]

Deldar have the BDSM drip

[nova scaffold]

everyone but the taus are giga chads

[sour hornet]

Honestly real

[spare osprey]

tau is fire i'm ngl

[celest dome]

Tyranids /j

[spare osprey]

ppl be shitting on em for no reason

[arctic talon]

Tau have mad drip

smh

[opaque coyote]

Big

Giant

Thick

Railguns

[spare osprey]

like fireblades are awesome

[sour hornet]

Eldar have mad drip im ngl

[crystal forum]

so gay

[opaque coyote]

Because they don't do melee

[dapper gyro]

Looking at the Assassin Temples... then look away.

[spare osprey]

love this fuckin guy

[opaque coyote]

Agreed.

Flamboyantly so

[paper haven]

No melee in 40k. Shameful

[nova scaffold]

the time they tried to make a their own warp travel and end up sent the entire fleet to hell

[sour hornet]

nothing wrong with a gay moment between the homies

[crystal forum]

straight to jail

[opaque coyote]

I mean

The warp is hell

[paper haven]

Technically they succeeded

[spare osprey]

happens to the imperium everyday lol

[opaque coyote]

And then learned their lesson after that

[celest dome]

Ok, what about the Bisexual and the gays ?

[crystal forum]

i meant for no melee

[nova scaffold]

hmmm add some oil and pray for it will do the job
-tech priest

[opaque coyote]

Straight

To jail

ba dum tss

[crystal forum]

believe it or not, jail

[celest dome]

Kroot are able to bring quite needed melee to the Tau side

[crystal forum]

if you can afford the models

[celest dome]

And you have Drone melee

[opaque coyote]

Get a lot of tasty snacks as well

Yum

[celest dome]

Good old Roomba with a knife taped to it

[queen laurel]

the ork WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH! On their planet did them a favor on that tend

[opaque coyote]

Honestly now I have a new idea for "40k internet"

Kroot mukbang

[crystal forum]

send in the flying roombas

[opaque coyote]

"Hey guys today we're going to be eating this dead Ogryn"

[paper haven]

AI is banned for a reason

[opaque coyote]

If you're gonna commit tech heresy

...

Make it a chainsword

[paper haven]

Go big or go home

[arctic talon]

Tau have aura smh

[dapper gyro]

Star Wars rat droid are funny.

[crystal forum]

i dont like tau infantry

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think my favorite thing about the T'au is how all their stuff is blocky, brutalist, and "efficient"

[crystal forum]

their mechs whomstever

[paper haven]

They're like guardsmen but more frail

[crystal forum]

make me unwise

[opaque coyote]

Compared to the Imperium which is overly detailed, gothic, and ornate

[dapper gyro]

Imperium can be simple and efficient, but fans don't like that.

[arctic talon]

I love how Tau armor looks aesthetically

lol

[celest dome]

Aura

[paper haven]

Scale of 1 - 10

[arctic talon]

This art in retrospect with the novel's added lore

[dapper gyro]

Or at least, they used to like Imperium like that.

[crystal forum]

peaceful race

[arctic talon]

is fucking hilarious

[nova scaffold]

2

[paper haven]

I'm sure this is fine

[opaque coyote]

Basically the Imperium is a medieval town.

The T'au is an Eastern European apartment.

Both are dystopian, but one at least has electricity.

...sometimes

[arctic talon]

ignore the fact where he tore an assault cannon off a predator and was screaming blood for the blood god

[opaque coyote]

Okay maybe it's on and off but its better than none

[paper haven]

Just a little battle rage

[dapper gyro]

Steel Legion and Cadian were the 2 poster boys, then it switched between them and more complex designed guards.

[crystal forum]

how fucking strong are these cows

[opaque coyote]

Tbf he was on Khornate juice

Very potent

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/as-you-should-worthikids-bigtop-burger-bigtop-burger-gif-26818418

[dapper gyro]

Like Krieg is more decorated Steel Legion.

[paper haven]

I like Steel legion more

[arctic talon]

They aren't

he was empowered by Khorne himself

[arctic talon]

LOL

[opaque coyote]

I think T'au in general are equivalent to like

[arctic talon]

It literally describes him surging with unnatural power

[crystal forum]

i see no future issues coming from this

[arctic talon]

throughout the book

[opaque coyote]

A human being in strength

[arctic talon]

tau are around human strength yes

they just have

poor hands eye coordination

compared to humans

[celest dome]

Slower reflexes ?

[crystal forum]

fire caste are probably stronger

[arctic talon]

yeah

[crystal forum]

like remember there's castes

[celest dome]

Better fed

[arctic talon]

Fire caste are very good runners

and also well fed

yeah

[opaque coyote]

To be fair, he only went to an insane asylum.

Which, for being empowered by Khorne throughout an entire widespread battle, is actually better than most fates.

[arctic talon]

They get a lot of food

Well

[crystal forum]

i could kill an air caste

[arctic talon]

he went to a re-education camp

LOL

god knows what happens to O'kais

because we sure as fuck don't

[opaque coyote]

I mean still better than what the warp can do

[celest dome]

I could take on a Water cast or 2

[opaque coyote]

They'll only do what

Some waterboarding

[crystal forum]

do we even know what water look like

[opaque coyote]

Maybe cutting off his dick

It's fine

[arctic talon]

he was just a little hungry

[celest dome]

Only in fan arts

[crystal forum]

i picture them as like prettier tau

whatever that means

more seductive

[opaque coyote]

I'm just imagining my Ogryn character seeing like a random zombie in Teritum and being like

"He's just a little sick!"

"...his nose is falling off."

[opaque coyote]

"Just needs a little bit of nosh!"

[crystal forum]

earth caste still the coolest one

[opaque coyote]

"You're gonna have to kill him."

"damn"

[paper haven]

Didn't he kill a marine in terminator armor?

[crystal forum]

just guys making better tech than the imperium

no need to fight eachother over it

[arctic talon]

he does many things but yes

O'kais is pretty much juiced up on Khornate energy

[opaque coyote]

Kind of.

The T'au are still behind on medicine ironically enough.

[arctic talon]

for a massive chunk of the book

[opaque coyote]

And gene editing

[arctic talon]

you slowly watch him go more and more insane

[crystal forum]

earth caste are the closest there is to scientists in 40k

[arctic talon]

he gets more violent, ect.

at first you just think he's mad because his squad died

[paper haven]

I'm sure this bodes well for the T'au

[arctic talon]

now granted they did die

but he was like reasonably mad

[paper haven]

But he just keeps killing

[celest dome]

Still think that the Tau earth cast would have made a good faction for Mechanicus 2

[opaque coyote]

I think that's more like the push off of a fucking cliff.

He was initially pissed over his squad dying but as he went further and further he just continued to become more and more angry

[crystal forum]

im guessing that's because imperium mastered the art of servitors and augmented humans

[opaque coyote]

And the thirsting Gods began to laugh

[arctic talon]

you know, the usual angry stuff, shooting dead bodies, screaming a lot

[opaque coyote]

Servitors, Augmentation, and also whatever the fuck the Mechanicus do to themselves.

[arctic talon]

doing things that you really shouldn't do

later on its like

absolutely obvious something is going on

[crystal forum]

god i'd love to see a tech adept interacting with an earth caste

[arctic talon]

he starts getting exceedingly lucky/doing things a normal person can't

[queen laurel]

ork meks and tau earth caste let's have a five way royal rumble

[arctic talon]

He gets shot in the head by a marine but the shell doesn't detonate

[paper haven]

How does the book end, by the way?

[arctic talon]

and somehow he doesn't get a horrific head injury

[vagrant fox]

Truly, the path of Khorne is a path to mad gains and mad flexing. O'kais was a lucky lad

[paper haven]

Does he ascend?

[arctic talon]

Chaos is banished and the Marines and Tau leave the planet rather then murdering each other

[crystal forum]

add in a votaan too

[paper haven]

T'au bloodthirster

[arctic talon]

O'kais gets isolated and sent for "re-education"

and research

last we see of him he's in a straight jacket muttering about his father and a throne of bones piled over millennia

lol

[paper haven]

Lame

[queen laurel]

They were already revealed

[arctic talon]

O'kais does not ascend

now granted

[opaque coyote]

I know this is a fanfic.

But in the "All Guardsmen Party" this situation happens.

It ends up with the tech priest and earth caste hosta- I mean voluntary member arguing about what type of wire is best.

With the Priest arguing that four pronged is the only one that should be used because it's holy. While the T'au yells about how they're being stupid and that three prong is completely fine.

[arctic talon]

I think it would be really really really funny

if he ascended

Please do this in a narrative book

[crystal forum]

i wonder what happens if tau decide to copy the khorne powers he got

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I want a sequel for the game

Or a remake

Like 40k Fire Warrior was genuinely a cool idea. The problem was that the game itself sucks complete ass

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/9cwxa4o2WWM?t=91

[paper haven]

Look the scientists are just gonna think he's got PTSD or whatever, give him some drugs and send him home

[opaque coyote]

It truly makes you simulate the hand-eye coordination of the average T'au

[opaque coyote]

Because it fucking sucks to aim

It is actually painful

[arctic talon]

there's an ethereal present who knows that he's corrupted

[queen laurel]

they are in with the necrons and mechanicus

[arctic talon]

and wants to uh "replicate" it

[opaque coyote]

No wonder O'Kais got possessed by Khorne

And became mad

[arctic talon]

for some deranged super soldier plan

[opaque coyote]

The gameplay is anger inducing

Unironically

[crystal forum]

this will go well

[paper haven]

Oh. Well I can see no issues there

[paper haven]

It helps with immersion

[opaque coyote]

But seriously though, an actual remake without outdated gameplay or the huge amount of bugs

Would be nice

I mean it genuinely sounds like a cool idea

[paper haven]

I played it before I knew what Warhammer was

I was like, oh these human soldiers look pretty cool

[arctic talon]

tbh

[paper haven]

Wait am I an alien?

[arctic talon]

Fire warrior was pretty intresting

[opaque coyote]

A T'au soldier basically going through a Spec Ops: The Line type of derealization and insanity. Basically falling to Khorne because of it.

[arctic talon]

well

thats the book

the game is just

not that

[paper haven]

Spec ops: the line was a wild ride

[opaque coyote]

Exactly, and I kinda wish that if there was a remake of the game. They would go the book route.

I can imagine a lot of shit

Like hallucinations

His squadmates questioning why he is alive.

[paper haven]

Hey, we saw you kill a full platoon of guardsmen.

[opaque coyote]

With laughter in the background, and chanting.

"Maim kill burn. Maim kill burn. Blood for the blood god. Skulls for the skull throne."

[paper haven]

You doing ok?

[opaque coyote]

"Okay? I feel great."

[paper haven]

That's the first red flag

[opaque coyote]

I think my favorite detail is how like

In the beginning, Walker is professional. His executions are quick with no unnecessary cruelty

And his outfit his clean

And then he slowly grows more and more injured, disheveled, and deranged.

[celest dome]

It wasn't red at the start thoug

[opaque coyote]

With his executions basically being sadistic. With him not even following military lingo anymore.

And honestly I wish more games did something like this.

[arctic talon]

its drip or drown in the imperium, and this man is floating with the ducks

[paper haven]

Far cry does it pretty well

[opaque coyote]

Far cry 3 is flawed, but it definitely did try.

Which is more than I can say for a lot of Ubisoft games unfortunately

But I do genuinely feel like the writers, the game designers, they all had genuine passion.

And the attempts to try to tie Jason's insanity into the gameplay were admirable

[paper haven]

Passion goes a long way

[opaque coyote]

Although it kinda gets broken if you're like me and decided to do all the side quests

[paper haven]

Ask the Fire warrior

[crystal forum]

far cry 3 is not flawed

best far cry

[opaque coyote]

"I'm sorry but I can't get the medicine for you. I'm too busy getting exotic fur to expand my inventory. You're gonna have to wait a couple of months."

[paper haven]

That's a low bar

[crystal forum]

if you prefer far cry 2 then sombody needs to jam your mobility scooter because you're wrong

[opaque coyote]

Honestly ain't saying that it's bad. It's actually pretty good.

But every game has its flaws.

And far cry 3 has some

[crystal forum]

if you prefer far cry 4 then you're a zoomer and i hate you

[paper haven]

Far cry 1

[crystal forum]

irrelevant

[opaque coyote]

I think Far cry 2 and 3 was like

The biggest change

And then it just

Became the same formula

With less interesting stories and attempts

[paper haven]

Far cry 1 had zombies

[opaque coyote]

2 also had flaws. Malaria moment.

But I do genuinely think that it does feel like you're in the middle of an African Warzone.

I don't like having to manually switch maps though

I get that they tried to make it diagetic

But also fuck you

I want to be able to not switch papers

[crystal forum]

far cry 4 is when they started the bland formula

stupid vehicles, stupid guns, wacky story

[paper haven]

What about Far Cry 5?

Yeehaw edition

[opaque coyote]

I do like the gun jamming system because

A) I am pretentious.

B) I genuinely like the feeling of desperation when a gun jams and you have to scavenge.

[nova scaffold]

hay good question

do 15mm exist in warhammer

?

[crystal forum]

still wacky, still all about spawning in stupid vehicles and shooting stupid guns

[opaque coyote]

Basically moments when combat goes awry and you have to plan

[arctic talon]

like te measurement?

yes

[crystal forum]

far cry just became a worse version of just cause

[nova scaffold]

neet

[opaque coyote]

Or improvise

[paper haven]

Complications? In my shooter?

[nova scaffold]

they still in productions or no?

[crystal forum]

i also like it but far cry 2 overall is just not good to me

it's so much walking around doing the same shit

[opaque coyote]

Also, the Jackal tapes are unironically like the best audio logs in any game ever

[crystal forum]

and the enemies are SO annoying in 2

[paper haven]

I imagine every caliber is in production somewhere. It's a galaxy spanning empire

[crystal forum]

they spawn right in front of you

you literally have no peace ever

[opaque coyote]

Fair enough.

But I feel like 2 and 3 are still well remembered because of their genuine passion and attempts at trying new things

...

And then they didn't

[nova scaffold]

im talking about warhammer mini in 15mm

[opaque coyote]

[nova scaffold]

i wonder they exist

[paper haven]

Oh

No clue

[crystal forum]

far cry 3 is improved 2 imo

[nova scaffold]

like 15mm quar

but do GW make 15mm versions

[arctic talon]

no

The scale is 6-8mm for EPIC

[nova scaffold]

so it dont exist in 15mm

[arctic talon]

and then 28mm for 40k

[crystal forum]

remember the far cry 3 video series

they made to hype the game

[nova scaffold]

just 28mm and 6mm

[sour hornet]

Oh

[celest dome]

What size was Inquisitor again ? 35 ?

[sour hornet]

Has fat shark fixed arbites ?

[opaque coyote]

Vaas was genuinely the best villain.

Cold ass take I know but like

[sour hornet]

or no?

[opaque coyote]

He makes such a good impression in the beginning

Michael Mando's performance is just

Mwah

[crystal forum]

i dont even remember the PMC leader's name

the second island just doesnt matter to me

[opaque coyote]

I watched the Far cry 6 DLC with Vaas and the actor still got it

[crystal forum]

of fucking course he does

he was in better call saul

[opaque coyote]

Hoyt(?)

To be honest he is actually a decent character. The problem is that after Vaas... it feels like and is a downgrade.

But I don't think he should be discounted as a character either.

I feel like Buck was kinda the lamest of the three though

He's literally just an Australian Rapist

[crystal forum]

oh yeah buck is forgettable

i remember the doctor more

[opaque coyote]

Bro was literally high as fuck the entire time

Pretty chill though

[young pecan]

Do you know the

[opaque coyote]

definition of insanity

[young pecan]

His tweakouts were so good

[opaque coyote]

I think the most fucked up part is that his tweakouts are mostly for show

The few times there's no other people, he's completely calm

It is quite literally a performance

Which makes it all the more interesting

[young pecan]

That is a really good part of his character

Because he's in charge of literal pirates

[crystal forum]

i think the best part of far cry 3 is you actually have a memorable main character

[spare osprey]

vaas is amazing, i love the live action shorts they did

[crystal forum]

unlike all the others

[young pecan]

Of course he can't seem well put-together in front of his crew

""crew""

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/farcry3-vaas-island-insanity-49685-gif-13374786

[opaque coyote]

Also the fact that uh his sister tried to fuck him

That's uh

[young pecan]

Huh?

I missed that part

[crystal forum]

looking back now it's funny af but he scared me as a kid lol

[spare osprey]

his sister tried to fuck him

whole chosen warrior shit

[opaque coyote]

Y'know the whole subplot about the whole chosen warrior shit

Her first choice was her brother

💀

[young pecan]

Daaamnnn Jason was a second choice

[crystal forum]

have you seen her though

who wouldnt

[young pecan]

And he still died for it (for the dorks who chose that ending)

[spare osprey]

i thought that one dude with the glasses was second and then jason came in

or maybe he just wanted to be

idr

[young pecan]

Okay maybe it's messed up to say but I think it's really funny to imagine that ending happening

[crystal forum]

i like how he goes from some frat guy to a killer warrior

[young pecan]

And she miscarries

So she just killed Jason for no reason

Chosen Warrior gone

[crystal forum]

i like how 3 tries you put you in his shoes

like woops now you have to fight pirates on an island

[storm jungle]

I mean hes been on the island for months

so that checks out

[crystal forum]

there goes your vacation

[paper haven]

Her brother

[spare osprey]

DENNIS, that's his name

[jade holly]

What in the Ultimate Marvel timeline

[opaque coyote]

The tattoo system was a great metaphor.

For you it's the way to unlock perks and skills.

For Jason it shows his increased experiences and victories

[sour hornet]

based

[opaque coyote]

It's important to both you and him

[dapper gyro]

You want to be in his position?

[paper haven]

Right up until getting stabbed, sure

[young pecan]

Jason is the hidden puppet master of the "woman who gets tattoos because trauma" stereotype

[sour hornet]

that's fair

[dapper gyro]

Everything have a price, you know.

[young pecan]

That sounds mad incelish but I hope ykwIm

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, I kinda wish that

When you choose to leave the Island in the ending. Your save file just becomes inaccessible. Basically some Nier Automata type shit.

[dapper gyro]

You spread your finest seed to the finest woman.

[sour hornet]

Up until he gets stabbed Jason was living the gigachad life

[young pecan]

She lives in a mossy temple

[crystal forum]

straight to jail

[young pecan]

This woman does not shower

[sour hornet]

Bro was gunning down leopards with a fucking ak47

[paper haven]

A shame that evil paths never work out

[opaque coyote]

BUT I'M NOT STRAIGHT NOOO-

[young pecan]

It smells like fish the entire time

[dapper gyro]

Not really, you killed your gf to get to that chic...

[paper haven]

Also I feel like he could have killed her

[young pecan]

THAT IS NOT MY SUPERMAN

[dapper gyro]

No fart Harley comic please...

[sour hornet]

Ninjad lmao

[spare osprey]

and it's not like jason showered either at that point lol

[young pecan]

THAT IS NOT

[crystal forum]

WOKE SUPERMAN

LIKES SMELLING WOMEN ARMPITS

[spare osprey]

WOOOOOOOOO

[paper haven]

Nobody is showering

[spare osprey]

THAS MY HERO

[paper haven]

It's an island.

Best case is washing off in a tub

[sour hornet]

Who is cooler? Random American Stacy or jungle-living insane Amazon warrior woman on drugs?

[crystal forum]

as we all know islanders dont shower

like the british

[spare osprey]

yall think vaas got a mohawk down there

[sour hornet]

Its the Amazon

[dapper gyro]

I fucking hate it

That I agree with you.

[paper haven]

Everyone chooses the Amazon woman

[sour hornet]

You can legit just bathe in a lake or take water from a river

[crystal forum]

crazy talk

[young pecan]

I went swimming for underwater wreck collectibles every day but that's just me

[paper haven]

Until you realize that she's absolutely nuts and is planning to kill you

[sour hornet]

The natives on Hawaii bathed bro

[opaque coyote]

Wokerman

Batgay

Wonder Woman

Rainbow Lantern

The Quickshot

Aquasuck

The Woke League!

[sour hornet]

All im seeing are positives atp

[paper haven]

I meant that there wasn't running water

[sour hornet]

small issue, nbd

[dapper gyro]

Damn, wonder woman doesn't need to change.

[paper haven]

Which is a requirement for showering

[crystal forum]

the woker vs woke league

im the woker babyyy

[paper haven]

I'm sure they bathe

[dapper gyro]

Cleaning yourself and smelling good are 2 different things.

[sour hornet]

Waterfall.

[opaque coyote]

Dude her recent comic run is basically toxic Yuri with Cheetah.

She was originally made by a guy in a poly relationship that tested psychology by "testing" two women tickling each other in bondage.

[crystal forum]

they would all be fucking dead

[paper haven]

Isn't that dangerous?

[storm jungle]

Thats fucking disgusting

what comic is this so i can completely avoid it

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-mac-rob-mcelhenney-which-one-there-are-so-many-gif-26569501

[crystal forum]

lesbians and bdsm are inseparable

[dapper gyro]

Perfumed soap was something very luxurious for a long time.

[sour hornet]

Bruh, I think there are several things on that island more concerning than the waterfall 💀

[paper haven]

Sure but dangerous is still dangerous

[sour hornet]

Kibellah, my walking murder instrument

[dapper gyro]

Her old comic is so bad... and her weakness... I don't know...

[sour hornet]

🥀 ❤️

[spare osprey]

FUCK those jaguars man

[paper haven]

You avoided the tigers but drowned

[spare osprey]

i'm tryna play cards

[young pecan]

Was it ever implied anywhere which ending was canon for 3?

[crystal forum]

is there just 1 waterfall on this island

no other sources of water

[sour hornet]

If you drown showering in a 10ft waterfall, you deserve it atp

[paper haven]

The one where you didn't slit your weeping girlfriends throat

[crystal forum]

the public waterfall used to escape tigers and die

[young pecan]

I'm curious about Jason's home life after he gets back and has to deal with the "I started enjoying killing people" voices

[sour hornet]

LAME

[paper haven]

I know, blame the liberal media

[crystal forum]

far cry 2 starts

well guess im going to africa now

[young pecan]

And I have malaria now I guess