I seen footage of Australians there actually
#40k-lore-chat
crisp heath
jade holly
The name itself still sounds sick to me. Witches hovering over the dead of night and attacking by surprise
crystal forum
I seen footage of Australians there actually
that was probably earlier in the war
crisp heath
Oh that's dumb
languid meadow
alr I gotta grab something to smoke for this walk
crystal forum
Oh that's dumb
it's politics
crisp heath
The troops the enemies were actually scared of
crystal forum
modern wars are half battle half politics
jade holly
What war was Simo Hayha in?
jade holly
Yeah the White Death
crystal forum
alr I gotta grab something to smoke for this walk
me
sour hornet
Canadians make my skin itch
dapper gyro
Winter war
crystal forum
Canadians make my skin itch
that's my herpes
dapper gyro
Or the Continuation War.
languid meadow
winter war, ww2, continuation war
jade holly
The US had our own famed sniper with white in their name. The White Feather
jade holly
he wore a white feather in his hat as a way to make himself an easier target
dapper gyro
winter war, ww2, continuation war
Winter war and continuation war are the same.
sour hornet
that's my herpes
crystal forum
btw always assume sniper kill scores are fake
languid meadow
Winter war and continuation war are the same.
yesnt
crystal forum
snipers were hugely propped up by propaganda
crisp heath
How would they know tbh
dapper gyro
For the Finn at least
sour hornet
btw always assume sniper kill scores are fake
And tank kill scores as well
crisp heath
Anyone saying over 9 confirmed kills os probably lieing
It's nit confirmed if you shoot them 1km away
sour hornet
Snipers rarely "confirm" their kills anyway
jade holly
Next you’re gonna tell me Richthofen and his Flying Circus didn’t actually get all those confirmed downs smh
crisp heath
I beileve the plane kills
crystal forum
not to mention there is literally no incentive to not inflate the numbers
sour hornet
you can have a rough estimate of how many you kill, but most people aren't like that
crisp heath
Cause there's like 3 planes
languid meadow
I mean yes they're the same conflict but the winter officially ended before the continuation war
dapper gyro
WW1/2 snipers, with their x4 scope at best, rarely engage further than 600m.
crystal forum
I beileve the plane kills
even that's super hard to tell between an injured bird and a dead one
sour hornet
I beileve the plane kills
Some of the most untrustworthy, unless youre talking about British and Americans
jade holly
So I looked up Flying Circus and got a Canadian pop band
sour hornet
The Brits and Amis required guncam and multiple witness to log kills
dapper gyro
The C79 sight is x3.4, and you don't see shit at 400m.
jade holly
I HATE THE A10 ! !!
Brrrrrrrrrt
sour hornet
even that's super hard to tell between an injured bird and a dead one
super emphasis
crisp heath
And I feel like dog fighting is alot more risky so low numbers would be pretty on point and yeah I'm talking about the old spitfire confirmed kills
languid meadow
CAS pilots have always fudged their numbers and it has led to the pain that is the A10 in modern days
jade holly
And I feel like dog fighting is alot more risky so low numbers would be pretty o...
Richthofen was still insane wearing bright red for his plane’s paint
crystal forum
And tank kill scores as well
i actually believe that one. tanks are a lot easier to confirm than infantry
jade holly
Then again the Brown Baron doesn’t sound as cool
dapper gyro
Sniper killing a dozen people a day is reasonable in the old conflict.
crisp heath
I would hate to be a tank crew man
dapper gyro
Hell, modern day Marksman can do the same.
crystal forum
Sniper killing a dozen people a day is reasonable in the old conflict.
would you believe a hunter's word to not be exagerated
snipers are the same
crisp heath
Omg I think the kill counts from sarejevo wernt actually exadurated
That's was so sad
crystal forum
oh i totally shot a huge buck last week
jade holly
I’m also amazed how tanks in WW1 were these slow hefty juggernauts of metal that rolled over anything, and in WW2 they became able to blitz through multiple nations like it’s nothing
crisp heath
Does anyone know the numbers from that conflict ?
jade holly
Does anyone know the numbers from that conflict ?
No, but isn’t it up there with Verdun?
crystal forum
I’m also amazed how tanks in WW1 were these slow hefty juggernauts of metal that...
they had almost no armour in WW1. their engines were incredibly weak
dapper gyro
Omg I think the kill counts from sarejevo wernt actually exadurated
I'm not questioning if the number is accurate, I'm saying that it is possible.
crisp heath
It's a world record on kids who had someone occupy their homes , saw someone they knew killed or were killed themselves
jade holly
they had almost no armour in WW1. their engines were incredibly weak
They were bulky and slow at least 
crisp heath
I'll find it one sec it's actually heart breaking though
jade holly
Another battle that always horrified me in numbers was during the second Punic War, the battle Canae
crystal forum
They were bulky and slow at least <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
germans designed the first anti tank rifle to defeat them and it's literally just a big rifle. the armour of a WW1 tank was made for shrapnel and small arms
sour hornet
Hell, modern day Marksman can do the same.
They especially do the same
dapper gyro
Especially during WW2 and before that, when rifles are so overkill and there were little people can do to detect hidden enemy nor fire power short of a medium machine gun to suppress.
sour hornet
i actually believe that one. tanks are a lot easier to confirm than infantry
No they aren't
sour hornet
I would hate to be a tank crew man
Its not that bad
crystal forum
No they aren't
you think? if you're trying to kill a tank you probably will stay fixated on that target until it dies
jade holly
Never forget the flying tank
sour hornet
Tanks operate in fours or fives
jade holly
Someone saw a tank and went “fuck it, strap wings to it”
sour hornet
All of them shooting the same targets
crystal forum
oh that's what you meant
sour hornet
Also
crystal forum
as in hard to confirm who killed it
sour hornet
The Germans often "killed" tanks that just got hosed out and sent back into the fight hours later
They would claim the destruction of entire units that in reality lost maybe 7 tanks
crisp heath
Unicef reported of the estimated 65 thousand to 80 thousand children in tge city that 40% had been shot at by snipers 51% had seen someone killed and something like 30% had had their house occupied
crystal forum
i asked my uncle who commanded m113's mounted with ATGM's how you can tell if a tank is dead and his reply was "it stops shooting back"
dapper gyro
Mission of sniper is so different than just shooting now that the word sniper doesn't carey the same meaning as it was back in the day.
crystal forum
back during the yugoslavia thing
dapper gyro
Sharpshooter/marksman is what the old sniper is.
crisp heath
back during the yugoslavia thing
That was where sarajevo was iirc
crisp heath
Nato literally watxh genocide
dapper gyro
Canadian is developing a sharpshooter position in a section to focus on taking out enemy troops.
dapper gyro
The US has this program since the 2000s.
crystal forum
their goal now is to kill civilians who look off
crisp heath
Cause it takes more men to take him back look after him ect
crystal forum
there are many reports of sharpshooters intentionally shooting civilians because they have complete impunity with who they kill
very cool
dapper gyro
5.56 DMR is coming back all over the place because they want to hit more rather than getting extended range by using 7.62 DMR.
crystal forum
snipers are and always have been weapons of psychological warfare
crisp heath
Well he could have been taking important info to the enemy
It was a 12 year old child...
crystal forum
their kills arent nearly as important as the fear they give to people
jade holly
snipers are and always have been weapons of psychological warfare
One sniper could control a massive area on their own simply because of the threat that they could kill you no?
dapper gyro
Modern snipers are observers 90% of the time.
jade holly
And isn’t that because shooting will give away your position?
crystal forum
Modern snipers are observers 90% of the time.
that's what their spotters are for
they have a gun for a reason
dapper gyro
And isn’t that because shooting will give away your position?
One of many reasons
crystal forum
One sniper could control a massive area on their own simply because of the threa...
more that you dont know where they are
and they could shoot you from anywhere
crystal forum
so you're always terrified of being shot from any angle
crisp heath
If they stay still too long there dead
dapper gyro
The more developed techniques to conceal, the more valuable to stay as such to exploit intels.
crystal forum
If they stay still too long there dead
except when they're shooting civilians
dapper gyro
Intels are more important than shooting.
crystal forum
like what happened in sarajevo
crisp heath
The second you work out where the fires coming from u can just drop ordinance on em
crystal forum
crisp heath
The US uses thar approach instead of counter sniping
crystal forum
fun fact serbian snipers were evil people who deserve to burn in hell
dapper gyro
Well, that's JTAC, a different job.
dapper gyro
The term sniper is overused in the media, but in military terms, it is very specific.
crisp heath
Do they still do teams ?
crystal forum
ofc
crisp heath
2 spotters and a shooter
crystal forum
a spotter is crucial
dapper gyro
Depending on doctrine
crisp heath
dapper gyro
Canadian uses 3 guys, most US uses 2 guys.
crisp heath
crystal forum
today spotters have laser rangefinders and everything
crisp heath
Iv seen the rangers sniper teams
crystal forum
it's super important
crystal forum
i think police snipers are pretty interesting
since they actually have to be careful who they shoot
crisp heath
The armed defenders are genuinely pretty interesting
They train out in tbe bush wearing balaclavas
crystal forum
i dont know how accurate the scene in captain phillips is but navy seals were insane
crystal forum
im talking about when they shoot all the pirates at once
with snipers
on a moving ship
crisp heath
Ohhh so the navy actually were on the boats going thru Somali waters
And there probably was a couple times where stuff happened
crystal forum
i mean the captain phillips situation
crisp heath
You know the reason they are pirates ? We kinda forced them to become pirates
crystal forum
it's a true story
dapper gyro
All tier 1 units are crazy.
crystal forum
You know the reason they are pirates ? We kinda forced them to become pirates
and cargo ships knew it was dangerous waters so they could have avoided it 
crisp heath
It's mainly the swedes doing the transport through those waters
Or Norwegian iirc
Brilliant fighters tho
crystal forum
hey it looks cool in a movie
crisp heath
I mean the navy guys helping w security
crystal forum
oh ships just hire private contractors
nova scaffold
nova scaffold
I grew them myself
infinite balls generator
opaque coyote
hexed trail
Pauldrons provide plot armour
raven stone
and cargo ships knew it was dangerous waters so they could have avoided it <:B_D...
(You can blame the existence of the Suez Canal for creating a shortcut - otherwise most ships would need to go through Horn of Africa)
rocky gale
We banned them from fishing there waters or something close
French trawlers illegally fished in their waters and literally stole all their fish (and dumped toxic waste there), when the local economy was entirely dependent on it's fishing industry.
Melee variant Gravis???
shadow plover
Basically Aggressors
rocky gale
They've got big hands though
shadow plover
It'd be neat, that I don't disagree but I fear it's unlikely
rocky gale
Can we also get like an upgrade sprue in the regular Heavy Intercessor kit so the Sgt can get cool stuff like regular Intercessors can
shadow plover
funnily enough I never took notice how the 'melee' versions differ from the ranged only models
but now that you posted that it's kinda obvious
The segmented belly plate, cowl over the head and flared shoulder guards
rocky gale
Like the amount of work I had to do just to make three unique Sgts that look like sgts. Rather than just regular Heavies with a skull on their helmets
Just give the poor Sgt's a little upgrade sprue with some special weapon options
shadow plover
it'd be nice, the chapter specific upgrade sprues work well for that sorta stuff but tough luck if you're not doing one of those chapters
rocky gale
Imperial Fist upgrade sprue is to thanks for these guys, gave the scanner on the middle guys back and the Heavy pistol for the one on the right
Guy on the left used a spare Sgt shoulder pad from an Aggressors kit
and the guy on the right got his tilting plate from Tor Garadon kit I think and his sword was converted from a spare power sword from a Tempestus Scion kit.
shadow plover
Nice
rocky gale
But yea like without that the only way of telling there's a Sgt in the base Heavy Intercessor kit is they have a skull on their helmet
No different weapons or kit or anything
shadow plover
for my ultras the red helmet is a dead give away always but if your chapter doesn't have a distinction like that it makes it more difficult
nova scaffold
nova scaffold
fun fact: their is horses in quar
is a cadeir
it has the face be like
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beside that
winged jacinth
That looks like it would be slow and lumbering, maybe able to do short charges like a boar
nova scaffold
its basically a horse
nova scaffold
That looks like it would be slow and lumbering, maybe able to do short charges l...
no
winged jacinth
Yeah im saying its shaped wrong
winged jacinth
Honestly they look AT-AT inspired lol, or the other way idk the timing
I bet they predate
They really look like "what if we made a half-length camel with no neck"
nova scaffold
you got a larger version act like a ox
winged jacinth
Now that is a good morphology-behavior match
nova scaffold
is funny that fidwog has that
winged jacinth
The short body and thick legs on the horseish ones scream "i am a slow moving and heavy browsing animal"
They definitely cant eat grass with no neck lol
nova scaffold
They definitely cant eat grass with no neck lol
they can kneel
also fun fact. the fidwog has the gwylon
basically a massive kangaroo
winged jacinth
See now that looks like it could go fast
winged jacinth
the speculative biology from this setting is increasingly upsetting to me lol
winged jacinth
we have mountain kangaroos in real life and they're tiny compared to the bush kangaroos
nova scaffold
and bugs is literally massive
winged jacinth
too much oxygen
nova scaffold
quars btw is a ant eaters
winged jacinth
i got that part
the thing on the kangaroo thing's head is messing with me
i feel like a real animal has that but i can only think of donphan from pokemon
winged jacinth
i guess armadillos kinda have a head plate like that
the screaming hairy armadillo
nova scaffold
like these
nova scaffold
the screaming hairy armadillo
this is close to it
winged jacinth
beetles are not good at being giant bugs but i can forgive not knowing that
nova scaffold
one of the most important animal in quar service is a pykpyk
its a flying squirrel
its basically used as messenger pigeons
nova scaffold
beetles are not good at being giant bugs but i can forgive not knowing that
btw they got dogs called Fydos
crystal forum
Like the amount of work I had to do just to make three unique Sgts that look lik...
holy shit heavy intercessor with melee weapon 
nova scaffold
holy shit heavy intercessor with melee weapon <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
haya
sturdy sedge
How about some old school dreadnoughts?
nova scaffold
How about some old school dreadnoughts?
NO
thank god dreadnoughts are changed for the better
crystal forum
How about some old school dreadnoughts?
classic
sturdy sedge
Old wh was something alright
nova scaffold
look at space dwarfs 💀
crystal forum
still using the term heavy laser instead of lascannon
the real horror is 3.50 pounds for one dread
crystal forum
no
nova scaffold
you doing gud
dapper gyro
(You can blame the existence of the Suez Canal for creating a shortcut - otherwi...
Even then, most container ships have the range to ignore those poor countries.
nova scaffold
Even then, most container ships have the range to ignore those poor countries.
how you think of quar wildlife
nova scaffold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqpXn8byeX4
these
sturdy sedge
Ye it's from Very first Warhammer video game
nova scaffold
i can see that
sturdy sedge
nvm it looks cursed
U should see dreadnought from that
nova scaffold
U should see dreadnought from that
thats the robots from robocop
sturdy sedge
Ikr
nova scaffold
the 2 legged ones
i wonder
since quar dont do magic at all or dont believe in so
they might have the same abillity of daemons cant see them at all like the tau
so basically they are somewhat resistent to chaos corruptions
crystal forum
U should see dreadnought from that
what is this
nova scaffold
imagine being slaanesh gets mad because she cant corrupt these mf
because they dont care
sturdy sedge
what is this
Apparently Dreadnaught
slender obsidian
Is Darktide and Rouge Trader on the same ship ???
sturdy sedge
From Space Crusade
nova scaffold
what is this
yoo
crystal forum
Is Darktide and Rouge Trader on the same ship ???
no
slender obsidian
But the old lady it's her right ?
crystal forum
she is a rogue trader yes
nova scaffold
ngl i like the good ending that one of us come up for quar is they get classified as abhumans by the inquisitions
slender obsidian
I ask it cuz of that old Lady and the space wolf Ulfar who died in Space Marine 2. The timeline kinda vauge for me
storm jungle
I ask it cuz of that old Lady and the space wolf Ulfar who died in Space Marine...
Emora Brahms =/= Theodora von Valancius
Pay attention 
also that isnt Ulfar from rogue trader
its just a generic norse name
slender obsidian
also that isnt Ulfar from rogue trader
Ahhhh thanks
storm jungle
Very fair mistake dont worry
people werent sure before they opened the lexi
and the lore has 5 Ulfars
nova scaffold
hay witch
crystal forum
the thing to remember with 40k that the games dont show is how humongous the setting is
slender obsidian
But still it would be more grimdank if that was Ulfar
storm jungle
agreed but alas we dont know
nova scaffold
yoo
slender obsidian
So....
crystal forum
idk why owlcat would let SM2 kill off their ulfar
dapper gyro
how you think of quar wildlife
I don't invest much in the variety of fluff.
sturdy sedge
It isn't owlcat ulfar cuz his eventual fate always shown in rt endings
dapper gyro
Also because I have so many hobbies.
slender obsidian
The Primarch are just "alternative" placeholder for Big E due to his "Friends" bail out . Since they hated to work for /with him Friends here mean Perpetuals ???
crystal forum
i am lost and confused
dapper gyro
Cooking, Sewing Drawing, DIY/handyman stuff, physical training, etc.
dapper gyro
So I read fluff of the few things I play.
slender obsidian
And does Master of Mandkind still lore Official or the story in it just "pause" for them to recook???
crystal forum
And does Master of Mandkind still lore Official or the story in it just "pause" ...
40k isn't paused. the horus heresy series was added as a supplement prequel to add background to the setting
crystal forum
you mean... Lost & Damned™?
secret GW marketer
you're making me shake my fist dilara
my... imperial fist
sturdy sedge
The Primarch are just "alternative" placeholder for Big E due to his "Friends" b...
slender obsidian
I think u need to read wiki bozo
Does Lexicanum a good source for lore ? And no i can't buy books in my country i have to "Rouge Trader" the crumps of lore drop from Reddit and youtube videos
sturdy sedge
It'll do
languid meadow
Lex is one of the few good places to get lore from online
storm jungle
my... imperial fist
😭
nova scaffold
I don't invest much in the variety of fluff.
oki
storm jungle
that was terrible
languid meadow
At least it's better than fandom, shorts, and Reddit posts
The only time I use Reddit posts is to find book quotes for novels I don't have
slender obsidian
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Primarch
Yes i read this one he even make trees that give fruits only that specific primarch can taste good and he said he be fine and good after things done. With all of them
sturdy sedge
Reddit is horrible place to get any decent lore
storm jungle
Lexicanum also doesnt add any lore to their page usually unless it has a source that can be linked
slender obsidian
Reddit is horrible place to get any decent lore
Ok
crystal forum
fandom wiki thinks a quote is just copy pasting rulebook text
storm jungle
also avoid the fandom wiki
sturdy sedge
So ye go to lexicanum and enjoy. Wh lore is old confusing and big af
storm jungle
fandom wiki thinks a quote is just copy pasting rulebook text
^
crystal forum
absolutely no regard for making the information digestible
sturdy sedge
fandom wiki thinks a quote is just copy pasting rulebook text
And repeat itself a lot
crystal forum
it gives the impression that there's a lot to read on a page but it's all the same information repeated
nova scaffold
@storm jungle yoo
sturdy sedge
Ye just in different wording
nova scaffold
do you it's funny when a daemons tried to corrupt but failed because the victim straight up don't care
storm jungle
do you it's funny when a daemons tried to corrupt but failed because the victim ...
Uh idk probably
depends on the character
nova scaffold
like i theorized that quars will be immune to chaos since they never do magic or believe in it to begin with
crystal forum
nothing is immune to chaos
nova scaffold
well
higher resistance to it
like shooting a .22lr at a ford engine block
it does nothing but it will take centuries untill you finally go though
after like 500 trillion 22lr
sturdy sedge
That would be very old dreadnoughts
nova scaffold
mostly just resisting to chaos like grey knights
sturdy sedge
Like Rylanor
nova scaffold
Like Rylanor
because he believes that worshiping chaos is for nerds
sturdy sedge
Not gray knights again
nova scaffold
Uh idk probably
i have a theory that quars are atlease resistant to chaos
like the taus
the daemons can still fuck them up
but like the taus, they are resistant to it or just they are unnoticeable
sturdy sedge
It less resistant and more having very weak presence in warp
celest dome
like i theorized that quars will be immune to chaos since they never do magic or...
Is that because their setting doesn't have magic or does it but they ignore it
nova scaffold
Is that because their setting doesn't have magic or does it but they ignore it
yeah because they got other things to worry about
crystal forum
that's not how chaos works
celest dome
That does not answer the question
arctic talon
new LoV art
nova scaffold
Is that because their setting doesn't have magic or does it but they ignore it
they don't have magic tho tbh
even if it did exist
they either forgot it or they got problems they need to focus about
like the long war or the month of storms
arctic talon
what even is that
we dunno, its likely inside a Kinhold
aside from that I got nothing, there's some Tau influence on the yellow building so it might be a trading post
nova scaffold
im currently feeling fucked up because i regret sitting on the swivel chair
vagrant fox
The writing on the building doesn't look tau
celest dome
If magic doesn't exist in their system/setting, then it's really impossible to say whether that it wouldnt be something that they're resistant or not too in a setting where said magic exist
celest dome
Look like a giant Ironkin
nova scaffold
hay wolf
storm jungle
its all League
sturdy sedge
That definitely ain't Tau
arctic talon
celest dome
Taugak
storm jungle
Lmao
arctic talon
that
crystal forum
fucking UMGAK
that's going in the holotape of grudges
arctic talon
doesn't work smh
storm jungle
that's going in the holotape of grudges
the blockchain of grudges more like
crystal forum
LMAO
storm jungle
arctic talon
dataslate of Grudges
crystal forum
non fungible grudges
celest dome
Buy buy buy
Sell all grudge on Tyranids
crystal forum
invest in grudgecoin
nova scaffold
~~ironkin Ipad baby~~
votaan brain rot
queen laurel
~~ironkin Ipad baby~~
i always forget that iron kin are robots and not just armor wearing dwarves
crystal forum
yeah straight up walking men of iron
usable on tabletop
and now we have steeljacks
arctic talon
Kognitaar being an ironkin addicted to their dataslate logistics
its some really funny ass lore
nova scaffold
so yeah fruity in general
nova scaffold
how you think of my fav wargame
celest dome
Ironkin are so fun cause they're machine, why not just have them just access the WiFi and do it without needing the little doodad, but they're Kin, so they get the same tools as other Kins.
nova scaffold
yoo @arctic talon good question on warhammer model
arctic talon
forgeworld lookin ass
nova scaffold
whats your fav tanks'
arctic talon
how you think of my fav wargame
interesting rules
arctic talon
whats your fav tanks'
define tank
nova scaffold
interesting rules
one thing i wish is easky is aviliable in 28mm
arctic talon
treads required y/n?
nova scaffold
its currently 15mm
nova scaffold
treads required y/n?
yes and a gun
crystal forum
forgeworld lookin ass
i love these guys
nova scaffold
like leman rus
nova scaffold
or any xeno tanks like tau or eldari meth lazer tank
crystal forum
forgeworld lookin ass
hopefully they dont become some obscure tabletop unit with no lore relevance
vagrant fox
forgeworld lookin ass
They got such wack heads
nova scaffold
They got such wack heads
eag heads
so yeah i hope easky is coming in next update
its looked so cool
crystal forum
do you think steeljacks are seen as regular dudes
nova scaffold
is like the UN but better and not sad
they have the drip and they dont suck ass. they absolulty haul ass
and they mastared the art of conbine arms
basically like the quar equivliat of the steel legion
arctic talon
or any xeno tanks like tau or eldari meth lazer tank
Fire Prism, Krios battletank, Shadowsword are my top 3
nova scaffold
but they dont have chimeras or sand in the eyes
nova scaffold
Fire Prism, Krios battletank, Shadowsword are my top 3
peak
the fire prism crystal looks like the magical meth crystal that can vaporized a leman russ
but its incredibly powerful
arctic talon
the fire prism is weird as fuck
crystal forum
baneblade on top
arctic talon
its like a lascannon on meth
and also it doesn't need line of sight directly to fire
if one prism cannon has a shot
every prism cannon within a specific range can shoot a target
crystal forum
and then it dies to a lascannon
nova scaffold
and also *it doesn't need line of sight directly to fire*
they curved a laser
crystal forum
because eldar no armor
nova scaffold
how
arctic talon
and then it dies to a lascannon
It has the same AV as a Russ
lol
so not really
and an invuln
storm jungle
Guard fans coping
crystal forum
It has the same AV as a Russ
DAMN it
arctic talon
nova scaffold
because eldar no armor
its made from cardboard
storm jungle
wraithbone is also like
crystal forum
double negative
arctic talon
which aren't even the least armored plane
crystal forum
bad grammar
crystal forum
i win
arctic talon
very much sturdy and tough
me when I watch the eldar mesh armor tank a bolter(how the fuck does that even work)
storm jungle
crystal forum
good think bolters can shoot many rounds
nova scaffold
yoo elite
storm jungle
good think bolters can shoot many rounds
shurikens need just 1
arctic talon
tbf
vagrant fox
I'm quite fond of the hornet, I would fly one and crash right into a building
crystal forum
when the space marine gets hold of the elf twink and rips him in half
storm jungle
I'm quite fond of the hornet, I would fly one and crash right into a building
Governor Bush... another Hornet has hit the second hive...
nova scaffold
I'm quite fond of the hornet, I would fly one and crash right into a building
how strong is the window
storm jungle
secundeez nu-
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out of all quar tractor, whats your favorite <@255478624851853312>
I don't have enough info to decide
tbh
I read slowly lol
crystal forum
says the living encyclopedia
nova scaffold
I don't have enough info to decide
or any that interest you
vagrant fox
I think we should resurrect Bligh, I want more Imperial Armour
storm jungle
legit gone too soon man
crystal forum
vraks part 2
storm jungle
I love how the moment he died, Forgeworld just disintegrated quality wise lmfao
says a lot
crystal forum
he single handedly made krieg marketable
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LOL
crystal forum
GW owes him so much
crystal forum
i cant name any other regiment except cadia that had an entire campaign dedicated to them
storm jungle
tbh it was more varied than just Krieg
the entire Vraks range was like massively diverse
people just solely focused on them because uhhh brain damage
crystal forum
oh yeah the cultist models looked really cool
storm jungle
yeah it was like cultists, 3940513 artillery pieces, loyalist and traitor marines, vehicles
a fucking clusterfuck
crystal forum
people dont often talk about the end portion of vraks since it loses focus on krieg
it's like mostly space marines
storm jungle
Yeah it becomes an Inquisition show which isnt a bad thing
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i cant name any other regiment except cadia that had an entire campaign dedicate...
Krieg, Cadia, Tallaran, Elysians
Oh also steel legion
in 3e
crystal forum
did tallarn get a campaign?
crystal forum
never heard of it
storm jungle
Taros
its a really good one
and uhhh realistically shows how the Tau can steamroll the Imperium when they got no plot armor lol
me when water supplies
crystal forum
interesting
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Downside is imo the narrative missions in it SUCK
storm jungle
i do love how like
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but they're supposed to suck
so w/e
Its supposed to be the torment nexus
for one side
storm jungle
Tau realise with the limited forces they got on Taros they cant beat the Imperium in an open fight
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depending on what stage of the campaign you're in
storm jungle
so they just- constantly guerilla fight and harass them with stealth camo tech
and it legit works
lol
crystal forum
i thought tallarn were the guerrila fighters
storm jungle
They arent
crystal forum
huh
arctic talon
They like tanks a comically huge amount
crystal forum
i thought they were inspired by WW2 SAS
arctic talon
They're like the armored regiment
crystal forum
Isn't that steel legion
arctic talon
no
steel legion is combined arms/mechanized warfare
Tallarn are tanks tanks tanks tanks tanks
crystal forum
oh right you told me this many times
crystal forum
did tallarn get any special tank models
crystal forum
aka watching a Leman Russ move double its normal movement
WHAT
crystal forum
just speedrunning a leman russ across the map
crystal forum
huh
arctic talon
but the Tallarn regiment rule + their unique order + MOVE MOVE MOVE
crystal forum
man that rangefinder thing must be hell to get straight after shipping
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would let you do some deranged stuff
crystal forum
i like hearing about when the guard had some unique stuff
queen laurel
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ah yes the drivers of the guard
crystal forum
i feel like fielding an army of valhallan conscripts would have been pure hell to fight
half of your dead units coming back
endless stream of URAAAA
arctic talon
Conscripts are misery
for everyone involved
lol
Guard had a rule at the start of the edition that let them revive any infantry squad
outer wave
SHUT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP THE JOKE ISNT FUNNY
crystal forum
Guard had a rule at the start of the edition that let them revive any infantry s...
didn't valhallans get that
crystal forum
SHUT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP THE JOKE ISNT FUNNY
of fucking course it's a black templar
sharp pollen
SHUT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP THE JOKE ISNT FUNNY
what does this even mean
sharp pollen
outer wave
what does this even mean
Its just some random dude going "Heh, glad she was never born in OTHER universes... otherwise she'd have a bad time." and thats it
Its as dumb as that
Lemme look at tiddies for Christ's sake
arctic talon
didn't valhallans get that
yeah they had SEND IN THE NEXT WAVE!, which got made cheaper and buffed into REINFORCMENTS!
as Send in the next wave only worked on basic infantry and didn't bring back special or heavy weapons
crystal forum
yeah they had SEND IN THE NEXT WAVE!, which got made cheaper and buffed into REI...
send dudes
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REINFORCMENTS! brings back the guard squad with everything
outer wave
send dudes
As reinforcements, right?
arctic talon
also it works on Scout Sentinels much to the horror of literally everyone
crystal forum
As reinforcements, right?
IM IN A FIGHT I NEED MORE MEN
crystal forum
REINFORCMENTS! brings back the guard squad with everything
that's so funny
arctic talon
oh my fucking god
they buffed it with the guard codex
it can bring back Stormtroopers now lol
crystal forum
wait it's still in the rules?
crystal forum
i thought they removed all the unique regiment stuff
arctic talon
well
its not Vostroyan specific now
the issue rn is its too specific lol
send in the next wave was also in 9e
when they got rid of regimental rules and made build a regiment the standard
crystal forum
man
arctic talon
but rn its too specific
like
these are your options for basic infantry
which is too specific lol
crystal forum
do they have unique rules
crystal forum
regiment rules or different stats
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DKOK
raven stone
Regiment rules, stats mostly the same IIRC
raven stone
GW basically went “rules wise you only have 3 variation, miniature wise…go with what you feel is right.”
raven stone
Not terribly ideal.
raven stone
Same, it makes sense to me.
arctic talon
Like Shocktroopers, Siege specialists, Jungle Fighters
rather then Cadian Shocktroops, Death Korps of Krieg, Catachan Jungle fighters
crystal forum
raven stone
Too much identity tied to the rule itself for people to feel like they are customising.
crystal forum
krieg have access to bolters
raven stone
Yes wargear will differ
crystal forum
cadians have autogun
arctic talon
The Catachan got fucked
bcs they have the prehistoric 5e kit
lol
iirc they only get flamers
raven stone
Taken out of named context, you can assume “different regiments have slightly different logistics”
crystal forum
bcs of the killteam lol
so the krieg infantry can be a fake veteran squad
raven stone
iirc they only get flamers
G “we only want to reflect what is in the box set” W
raven stone
so the krieg infantry can be a fake veteran squad
Kind of, in a sense.
arctic talon
G “we only want to reflect what is in the box set” W
blame chapterhouse for that one
lol
or I guess the Uk government
crystal forum
hey they get power sword and bolter
arctic talon
for that ruling lol
arctic talon
so the krieg infantry can be a fake veteran squad
no
crystal forum
and medi pack which seems useless on 40k
raven stone
or I guess the Uk government
UK laws to be more precise.
arctic talon
vets had way more options
nocturne crest
What today's topic.
arctic talon
Not much
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and medi pack which seems useless on 40k
its good for making them obnoxious to remove
raven stone
What today's topic.
How UK Law fucked over Guard codex.
A tame usual topic.
arctic talon
DKOK are the best sit here on an objective unit lol
UK law kind of fucked over every codex
nocturne crest
How so?
arctic talon
with a high level of customization
arctic talon
How so?
GW was making stuff without minis/stuff that wasn't in the box
UK law has made it so that that is uh
not allowed
to simplify it
heavily
crystal forum
its good for making them obnoxious to remove
arent troopers super weak
arctic talon
Which was because of another company violating GWs IP by selling GW product under their name
ect. ect.
GW sues them
Court rules in no ones favor and kills the company violating GWs IP
and also blows GWs kneecaps out
nocturne crest
Ah.
raven stone
And yea as much as GW are greedy, remember the other half of the blame falls well on UK archaic and outdated laws.
arctic talon
Tbh
I wouldn't even say they were greedy
during chapterhouse
They were literally within their legal right to sue imo
raven stone
Fair
arctic talon
Like beyond UK copyright laws being a total pain in the ass
which means GW has to be super litigious
Chapterhouse was straight up calling their stuff
raven stone
Was more referencing fandom perception TBH
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WARHAMMER 40k TYRANID DOOM OF MALANTAI
raven stone
…yea ok
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It wasn't like
raven stone
That really had it coming.
crystal forum
GW was making stuff without minis/stuff that wasn't in the box
as in they were marketing stuff that wasnt sold?
arctic talon
GW made rules for stuff that wasn't sold
0 marketing for it
This was legal
until the chapter house incident
now its not
nocturne crest
So they fucked themselves over while killing a rival company.
raven stone
They originally did so to encourage modelling conversions no less.
arctic talon
GW has a partial bypass now but its so much effort its not worth the scrutiny for any of their non SGS division stuff
arctic talon
No
They were claiming chapterhouse was infringing on their copyright
by using the words Warhammer 40k, and faction names
like Tyranids
crystal forum
but those have models
arctic talon
and stuff written in GW rulebooks and such
Well
they didn't all have models back then
the Doom of Malantai, The Mycetic Spore
there's a few others
Doomrider
lol
crystal forum
yeah so GW was suing based on theft of models despite some units having no models associated with them
arctic talon
So they fucked themselves over while killing a rival company.
GW didn't even want to kill chapterhouse
they just wanted chapterhouse to stop using the naming
of their stuff lol
crystal forum
thats seems like GW's mistake there
arctic talon
yeah so GW was suing based on theft of models despite some units having no model...
no
they sued because chapter house was using GW intellectual property lol
crystal forum
if chapterhouse was using words that had no actual models associated with them then GW cant sue for it
arctic talon
For how they named their products
arctic talon
if chapterhouse was using words that had no actual models associated with them t...
They did do the first thing
though lol
raven stone
So they fucked themselves over while killing a rival company.
It’s literally GW operating in a legal (if not so well provisioned) position, some other sellers try to hijack the opportunity without discretion, then GW suing due to how archaic UK laws work, then UK Law going “fuck you all, you both cannot have nice things because you are both being stupid, and yes it is a copyright violation anyways.”
arctic talon
they just also did the second one
crystal forum
yeah thats what i mean, GW should have just sued for stolen model names
arctic talon
THEY DID
And the court fucked them both
that was the only thing they were suing over
crystal forum
but they also went after models which were using words from rules right?
arctic talon
No
they were going after models that were using words from GW's actual copyright lol
on 40k stuff
crystal forum
and some of those copyrights didn't have models is what you were saying
arctic talon
No
They were fine with them doing stuff like the Doom of Malantai
if it did not have the words WARHAMMER 40k TYRANID
in front of it
if that makes sense
crystal forum
thats just odd
crystal forum
i think it does make sense that GW shouldn't be suing people for the millions of words they claim to hold the rights to if there's no actual model associated with them
arctic talon
I think illegal
arctic talon
i think it does make sense that GW shouldn't be suing people for the millions of...
I agree the part on stuff they didn't produce was dumb
but that does not mean the courts needed to blow GW's legs off lol
raven stone
Actually this explains why huge chunks of HH had to go to Legacy in 3rd edition
arctic talon
And say you can't make rules for stuff that doesn't have a miniature or any representation inside the box
like
are ya fucking kidding me lol
crystal forum
it's wild that the court told them to do that
arctic talon
this wasn't even a blanket industry thing
lol
btw
it was a court order for Gamesworkshop specifically
Which is probably why FW got away with doing that in heresy so long
but Heresy growing bigger attracts more scrutiny
ect.
crystal forum
it just completely misunderstands the idea of kitbashing
arctic talon
imo GW deserved
to eat shit for suing chapter house
over stuff like the Mycetic spore and Doom
Imo chapter house deserved to eat shit for everything else they were doing
lol
like, cmon
raven stone
I mean everyone was being shit, accounting for UK laws lol
arctic talon
yeah
oh also wtf is this Blood Angels art lol, this was in the 8e codex
not that its bad, but the color on the marines + helmets feels
weird
vagrant fox
Reminds me of that guy who makes pinhead space marines
crystal forum
oh also wtf is this Blood Angels art lol, this was in the 8e codex
it's official?
crystal forum
it's good but it kinda looks amateur by 40k artist levels
arctic talon
It was done by a freelancer apparently
crystal forum
everything is so flat
arctic talon
anyways the title for this product was
"Warhammer Space Marine Legions Heavy Horus Heresy terminator"
questionable choice from chapter house naming wise
crystal forum
how did they think GW wouldn't sue them
crystal forum
using warhammer in your title is WILD
raven stone
Nature will vehemently produce worse idiots consistently.
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Warhammer The Horus Heresy Forgeworld Cataphractii Terminators
So like
I do think that chapter house was trying to show up in the search engine
before GW
because the words they chose are more generic
crystal forum
and thus getting more attention from GW
arctic talon
Yepo
crystal forum
before GW
that would literally be the easiest case of copyright infrigement in the world since it directly takes away revenue from GW
arctic talon
also this one was absurd, "White Scars Mongolian heads"
was the name
Why tf didn't you just call them
"Mongolian Space Marine Heads"
crystal forum
mongolian lmao
arctic talon
you have plausible deniability
since GW can't copy right space marine
or mongolian
crystal forum
space marine isn't copyrighted?
arctic talon
its not
its why GW uses Adeptus Astartes in all actual legal stuff for filing copyright for their units
also why its called Codex Adeptus Astartes
In the actual like physical product
crystal forum
i feel like tabletop wise they own the name
arctic talon
well
they lost that lawsuit
hard lol
and imo they deserved to lose that lawsuit
there's a ton of other systems that use the term space marine
its not fair imo
crystal forum
was it against tabletop companies or a wider use of space marine
crystal forum
interesting
arctic talon
GW was extremely litigious
during the 5e to 7e period
observe you can see when they lost their lawsuit lol
crystal forum
observe you can see when they lost their lawsuit lol
lmao
raven stone
Astra Militarum/Imperial guard
crystal forum
that one makes sense
raven stone
And yes that name change gets referenced by our Rejects
crystal forum
no way is imperial guard a trademark
arctic talon
crystal forum
way too generic
arctic talon
removing the word Eldar
from the eldar codex as well
bcs Eldar is copyrighted by the TOLKIEN ESTATE
crystal forum
wait eldar isnt copyrighted?
crystal forum
i thought 40k invented eldar to not use elf
arctic talon
Eldar being an in universe common term for Aeldari
raven stone
Oh so THAT is why it’s that now
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This ones also super funny since its the exact same art
now you might be wondering why isn't it called Codex Heretic Astartes on the cover(GW figured out the solution and its called hiding it inside the book)
raven stone
Somewhat true. Some are around in obscure lore bits
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Aeldari was the one that they literally pulled out their ass
raven stone
Before it is brought up as the copyright weapon.
arctic talon
but ironically Asuryani and Drukhari had existed
raven stone
Huh
crystal forum
they learned from their mistake by making league of votaan the most trademarketable name ever
raven stone
I am most familiar with Adeptus Astartes (and variations) pre existing.
arctic talon
they learned from their mistake by making league of votaan the most trademarketa...
age of sigmar
as well lmao
Soulblight Gravelords, Stormcast Eternals, Slaves to darkness
Oruuk warhordes
crystal forum
i just find it funny that league of votann has nothing in the name indicating it's dwarves
nocturne crest
Would GW of that time try to sue Trench Pilgrims?
raven stone
Cathay getting that treatment, but really thanks to Total War, the names were invented in a proper dev cycle and not as silly sounding.
arctic talon
not anything for them to sue
crystal forum
trench crusade is way too original
arctic talon
Cathay getting that treatment, but really thanks to Total War, the names were in...
eh, I think a lot of the names are fine
for other stuff
raven stone
Reminds me of a certain demographic whining about TC no longer being a bastion of right wing nuts.
crystal forum
you know the funny thing is that by making all the factions have wacky names it made it more confusing for new people to know what to buy
arctic talon
Reminds me of a certain demographic whining about TC no longer being a bastion o...
tbf it never was
lol
arctic talon
you know the funny thing is that by making all the factions have wacky names it ...
Not really, since the common terms still show them
lol
if you google Imperial guard warhammer
the top option is the GW website
crystal forum
Not really, since the common terms still show them
im just saying, if their idea was to stand out from the market by using their own names then that's kinda moot when you're already the most popular setting in the industry
arctic talon
well
thats not the issue
the issue is they have to use those names
for actual copyright
they want to hold the legal rights to the stuff
crystal forum
they could use space marine legally, they just wouldnt be able to sue competitors
raven stone
Again you can also thank varying copyright laws in different countries making it difficult.