40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

The rest are just stupid to me

[nova scaffold]

the wraith bone:

[arctic talon]

Also not a retcon

Because it was taken horribly out of context

But okay

[outer wave]

Thats my big complaint about it, otherwise dont care about it

[arctic talon]

It’s missing the entire chunk about how wraithbone solidifies into a material

Which is made out of natural material

The eldar don’t need resource extraction still

[gaunt lily]

if theyre supposed to look out for and prevent the emperor from moving/reviving, they should probably know that otherwise they could absolutely just watch it happen, read the decree later and then just go oops

[nova scaffold]

they say it was "forged"

[arctic talon]

It just reveals wtf wraithbone is actually made out of

[nova scaffold]

not sung

[arctic talon]

It says it’s sung

In other chunks

Wraithbone is sung into existence

[nova scaffold]

yeah

[arctic talon]

It’s then made out of normal material

No of the same lore excerpt

Once wraithbone is solid it can be worked with normally if you’re a weirdo

Which some people are weirdos

[outer wave]

You can sing something into existence then forge it into a shape

[nova scaffold]

yeah but now is just basically a generic material that is "forged from ores and shit"

[arctic talon]

No it’s not

It’s sung into existence

The material itself is made up of ores and minerals

And natural material

[nova scaffold]

imagine they had to play the witch doctor to make a tank

[arctic talon]

Tbf

Bone singers can sing at a tank

To fix it lol

[gaunt lily]

i assume the singing into matter thing is warp related

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[nova scaffold]

what song they ad to sing

[arctic talon]

You crystallize pure warp stuff with a specific song

Then you sing to “solidify it”

Into actual material

[nova scaffold]

i bet is the witch doctor or maybe sandman from metallica

[arctic talon]

Rather then just pure warp stuff

[nova scaffold]

or cotton eye joe

[arctic talon]

Because pure warp stuff crystallized

Is in fact a terrible building material

LOL

[gaunt lily]

idk tzneetch recommends it highly

[arctic talon]

In any case the new lore is obviously because the emperor doesn’t want to ascend into a chaos god/powerful chaos entity except we know it’s inevitable because Samus exists. But this is out of universe info for the imperium and Big E

[nova scaffold]

imagine they use goofy ass song to fix it

[arctic talon]

His plan to prevent his ascension into a chaos god

Is flawed

Because he must become a chaos god

Or large chaos entity

[nova scaffold]

what happened he reborn

[arctic talon]

The emperors mind and soul is super shattered

He’s basically an insane eldritch entity rn

[nova scaffold]

how fucked up

[arctic talon]

And not human

[arctic talon]

Tool
Son
Betrayer
Guilliman
Fool
Hope

He calls Guilliman all these things

Within 1 second

[nova scaffold]

hmmm OD on Adderall level fucked up

got it'

[arctic talon]

And Guilliman says talking to him is like talking to a storm

It’s less a conversation

More a torrent of random bullshit + some comprehensible stuff

The emperor if revived would not be the emperor

if he was ever properly revived he wouldn’t get off the throne either, and could just order the grey knights off

If he was revived improperly well humanity is fucked anyways

And we’re about to see Slaanesh 2 human boogaloo

Or if he ascends

That also is slaanesh 2 human boogaloo

Encroaching Ruin cannot be stopped

[nova scaffold]

so he has the metal stability of a meth up Baltimore resident

[arctic talon]

Worse

[nova scaffold]

british

[arctic talon]

Worse

[nova scaffold]

bosnian?

[arctic talon]

We going back to the pre Cambrian ages

Bros a Bactria who just experienced oxygen for the first time

[opaque coyote]

Imagine how funny it would be if the Emperor resurrects, the Grey Knights arrive, and the Emperor is like

"Yeah don't worry I'm not leaving the throne. I just stood up because I really needed to scratch my ass "

Sits back down

"Just carry on."

[arctic talon]

Tbh

Being revived properly is so unlikely

The emperor is, horrifying at this point lol

And I love how he’s depicted

He’s described as too bright/dark to comprehend properly lol

A screaming tempest of souls and minds

All the prayer and worship also probably isn’t helping his mental stability lol

[opaque coyote]

If the Emperor actually resurrects it's gonna be some human instrumentality evangelion level shit

[arctic talon]

Well yeah if he revives 99% chance it’s a chaos god

lol

[opaque coyote]

The entirety of Terra is gonna turn into fucking fanta

[arctic talon]

0.9999999999999% of being a massive chaos entity

Well

More like a massive chunk of segmentum solar

[nova scaffold]

their is a alt universe when he did reborn and basically become a geeked up femboy with the stability of a avrage hot topic customer

[arctic talon]

He’s gona explode into a new eye of terror

One might call it the eye of terra

[nova scaffold]

in a alternet universe

[arctic talon]

But yeah he will inevitably become a chaos god

Because Samus exists

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I always thought that if the Emperor dies. All the shards of him would basically explode instead of combine together.

Like a bunch of interpretations of the Emperor around the Warp

[arctic talon]

And Samus is explicitly a greater daemon of The Dark King/encroaching ruin

[nova scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-groovy-gif-26309290

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I keep seeing Samus and imagining Samus Aran

Honestly at this rate, GW would ironically treat the Metroid franchise better than Nintendo

[arctic talon]

Should have made Samus have a feminine voice so I could imagine a non masculine voice saying “THE END AND THE DEATH”

In any case Samus is cool

Aside from when he shows up in novels

Then he’s omega lame

Also was a daemon of khorne rules wise originally

But they retcon’d that

Well not even a retcon ig

They just had that there as their eules

Bcs there were only 4 domains in Heresy 1e

[nova scaffold]

imagine GW writers see this and makes it canon

without hesitation

[arctic talon]

[nova scaffold]

out of spite

[nova scaffold]

so yeah you read the quar lore

[arctic talon]

Some of it

[nova scaffold]

you like it

[arctic talon]

I like reading new stuff slowly

It seems neat

[opaque coyote]

Honestly imagining like a heavy metal screamer

A female one

When that's said

[arctic talon]

I was thinking chain smoker

lol

Samus is pretty fucking raspy

[nova scaffold]

whos samus?

[opaque coyote]

Dog

[nova scaffold]

what dog?

https://tenor.com/view/butter-dog-gif-19098317

[arctic talon]

A greater daemon of the dark king

He’s from heresy lore

He’s uh

He exists ig

[nova scaffold]

the 5th chaos demon?

[arctic talon]

He’s only really scary in the black books, rulebooks and the blood angel heresy books

[nova scaffold]

big ass rat?

[arctic talon]

One of many potential chaos gods

[opaque coyote]

Also wasn't he Khornate until that event?

[arctic talon]

And no

The emperor

[arctic talon]

No

He was treated as headless slaughter rules wise

[nova scaffold]

samus is the emperor?

[arctic talon]

No

The dark king is the emperor

There’s at least 8 somewhat defined aethric domains by the mechanicus

6 of the 8 are occupied by known quantities

The remaining 2 are

Something

There’s explicitly more aethric domains

But it’s beyond the mechanicus and inquisitions comprehension

With their existing info and diagrams

The experts on this shit are the word bearers

Who are not sharing lol

[opaque coyote]

I always thought that things like the Eldar partying too hard or the Emperor reviving is more like a way to "manifest" them

Since they technically exist always in the warp

[arctic talon]

It’s a way to give them more power

They exist already

But they don’t have a solidified base yet

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I always thought that it's more like a summoning ritual type of thing

Slaanesh always existed but only really became powerful due to the Eldar fucking up

Timey wimey bullshit

Yippee

[arctic talon]

Ravenous dissolution is probably Malice

So it leaves formless distortion

As the only one without a God to be or current God/demigod

But we know there’s more since The Raptor God exists

lol

[opaque coyote]

Again, more independent warp entities would be interesting

But GW uh

Fucking doesn't attempt it

[arctic talon]

I mean

We got the raptor god

And a few others

[opaque coyote]

Unfortunately the Raptor God doesn't look like a dinosaur Raptor, 0/10

[arctic talon]

Tbf

We don’t know what it looks like

[opaque coyote]

Yeah there is zero depictions

[arctic talon]

Some Warptalons refer to it as a huntress of the warp lol

But like

They’re also batshit insane

[opaque coyote]

To be fair they literally use jump packs and use flamers and melta guns

They are 100% insane

[arctic talon]

Warptalons don’t use guns

They only use their hands and feet

And mouths

[opaque coyote]

Sick

[arctic talon]

They tear at people like animals

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

lol

There’s a few warp talons who are sane

But 99% of them are batshit insane and have completely lost it due to all the blessings the Raptor god has given them

[opaque coyote]

Can't say the Raptor God doesn't treat his subjects well.

So many blessings they're close to mutating into a Chaos Spawn!

[arctic talon]

Well we’ve never known of a raptor cultist turning into a spawn lol

[opaque coyote]

Sounds like a good deal ngl

[arctic talon]

And the mutations are semi consistent

[opaque coyote]

You get cool claws, go crazy at people, get extra protein

[arctic talon]

You’ll always get feet talons

And hand talons

[opaque coyote]

And you don't mutate into a terrifying blob

[arctic talon]

Everything else is uh

Varied

[opaque coyote]

Honestly makes me wonder how blessings work.

[arctic talon]

Some get teeth growing out of their mouths and turning into a mouth

Others grow actual wings and feathers

All of it is some level of predatory or bird shit

Before you ask warptalons aren’t tzeentchian

Because the Raptor god is open to sharing their chosen

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, yeah it does sound like a God of the hunt. The insane raptors might be onto something

[arctic talon]

They allow partial marks

From other chaos gods/warp entities

[opaque coyote]

Damn this God sounds pretty chill compared to the rest of the Chaos Gods

And the only price is lost sanity? That's already a given

[arctic talon]

Tbf

You’ll never ascend into a daemon prince

We’ve never seen a warptalon ascend properly

Funnily warptalons can teleport

It’s a pretty common ability/mutation for them

For them to be able to teleport a short distance while doing a jump pack assault

[opaque coyote]

I always found it funny and accurate to say that

The Chaos Gods are essentially gigantic mega corps. With Daemon princes and greater daemons essentially being like high ranking staff.

[arctic talon]

Yes

Promoted high ranking staff lol

For DPs

Greater daemons are all nepo babies

[opaque coyote]

So I guess in this regard, the Raptor God is a small company.

You won't ever get a high ranking job but it's reliable.

[arctic talon]

Exalted greater daemons are nepo babies who’ve climbed up

[opaque coyote]

The Warp is just Capitalism

Hurray

💀

[opaque coyote]

Even sells the dream that you could climb the corporate ladder

[spare osprey]

Bro

The fucking author of all tomorrow’s

[opaque coyote]

It's also why they hate Eldar, they're a post scarcity society.

[arctic talon]

What did they do

lol

[spare osprey]

Has dogged on warhammer chuds

[opaque coyote]

Pog

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Holy based

Also god that art of the Qu is freaky

[opaque coyote]

Unfathomably based

[arctic talon]

The less thin Qu

And more meat like texture

Is nasty

In a good way

[opaque coyote]

I think that's the uh

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[opaque coyote]

Space Marine that got mutated

[arctic talon]

No

The Qu

[opaque coyote]

Oh

[arctic talon]

I’m talking about the Qu

[opaque coyote]

The bug

[arctic talon]

The Qu is weirdly wide and muscular

And less thin

Compared to its art

[opaque coyote]

Yeah now that you mention it

[arctic talon]

And meaty

[opaque coyote]

It is less thin

I like it

They finally modified themselves to get swole

Smh

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/all-tomorrows/images/1/12/Qu.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210720125350

It’s got a lot different

It feels off

In a good way

[opaque coyote]

I always thought it funny on how they hold the

Gun?

It's either that or a DNA scrambler

[arctic talon]

It’s a thingy

lol

Oh also I love the reveal

Of the Author

At the end of all tomorrows

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/3/32/Author_All_Tomorrows.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190416174752

Bros just having a good time as an archeologist

[opaque coyote]

I love the detail that he's holding the human skull upside down

Like he doesn't know the right orientation

[arctic talon]

Tbf

He gets it right in his diagram

In the actual book

But I’d assume this was back when the author was young ppl

And all the humanity stuff was a new discovery

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think this might have been in the beginning of his archeology

Managed to reconstruct every single human species somewhat accurately

Bro is a good archaeologist at least

[dapper gyro]

It is funny because the reason of human destruction could have been done by humanity itself.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

We ultimately don’t know the exact details

The Author is just doing his best based on the archeology and known recovered history lol

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah the time travel theory.

Personally don't really like that because like

How did any human even defeat the Qu

At all

Personally just prefer humanity's fate to be unknown.

[arctic talon]

Aura and hype moments

[dapper gyro]

The Qu could be human descendant fighting other humans to be the lsat one standing.

[opaque coyote]

Either that or we ascended into another realm

Which I like

[opaque coyote]

Fucking imagining a star person going super saiyan

I distinctly remember a short fanfic.

Essentially showed two perspectives.

One was a Star Person essentially making a deal to become the Hedonists

[dapper gyro]

Even the Author itself could be a very far away descendant of humanity.

[opaque coyote]

Basically describing his shame

[arctic talon]

I wonder what the authors flesh? Skin? Texture is like

I’ve always thiughh it was semi rigid

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it kinda looks like shell

...

EVEN IN ALL TOMORROWS

CARCANIZATION

is a THING

fUCK

WE CAN'T ESCAPE

IT'S CRABS

IT'S ALWAYS CRABS

AAA-

[opaque coyote]

Personally the Colonials were my favorite

Started off as fucking

Flesh cubes. Made that way because they resisted against the Qu and actually drove them back for a bit.

But slowly built themselves back up. Back into a thriving society.

I always genuinely sad when they turned extinct by the Gravitrons

[opaque coyote]

I distinctly remember me mumbling

"It's not fair man"

[crisp heath]

I'm going to the night market pop up try out some overpriced boujie food

Wrong channel lmao

[nova scaffold]

right channel

lol

i imagine a senario of a tech preist got stranded in a planet that is quar

imagine the conversation between a quar mechanic and a tech preist

[sacred ginkgo]

It wouldn’t be a conversation it would be one immediately shooting the other

[nova scaffold]

i meaan the tech preist is lonly after his ship crashed after some idiot forgot to fix the coolent

in the engine

and currently stuck in a planet as in result

[sacred ginkgo]

And if they see something non human they will probably shoot on sight

[nova scaffold]

atlease he can preach the machine god to possibly new members

[queen laurel]

you underestimate how racist imperium is

a lot of them is a shoot on site than talk

[sacred ginkgo]

Only humans are fit to learn the secrets of the machine god

Xenos is xenos

[queen laurel]

yeah

[sacred ginkgo]

The typical tech priest will shoot on sight

[nova scaffold]

perhaps the tech priest is smart enough to convince them to fix the ship then murder them all after is finished

[sacred ginkgo]

Especially if in a survival situation

[queen laurel]

let a filthy alien touch the works of the machine god?

yeah they're gonna get killed

[sacred ginkgo]

If the tech priest is smart enough they can do it themselves

[nova scaffold]

well atlease more help is better then non

it will prob takes centuries just to fix the ship all alone

[sacred ginkgo]

You really underestimate how supremacist the imperium, and especially the ad mech are

[nova scaffold]

casual racist or compeditive racist?

[sacred ginkgo]

Anything with a single occupant is probably fighter sized

And won’t take actual hundreds of years to fix

And if it does

Pretty sure the imperium’s tech level is drastically higher than the quar or whatever

[nova scaffold]

hm

is their like a scenario when anyone in the imperium tried to atlease be logical and attempt to talk first before they exterminate a entire population?

like atlease a attempt

[sacred ginkgo]

Yes

[nova scaffold]

oh nice

[sacred ginkgo]

But only out of necessity

[queen laurel]

oh yeah but like those are the minority

most of the time they shoot on site

[sacred ginkgo]

Lesser of two evils scenario

[nova scaffold]

atlease they tried

[sacred ginkgo]

Secede a planet to chaos or make a deal with the eldar

[nova scaffold]

give them props for that

what if a xeno popluation has a stc and know about it

[sacred ginkgo]

Then they would kill them and steal it

[nova scaffold]

like make a deal that they will give it if they like not get murdered and will served the imperium

in return they will join the army to help the imperium like a auxiliary force

[sacred ginkgo]

The imperium wouldn’t negotiate with a force they hold the upper hand over

They would just kill them all and take what they want

[nova scaffold]

oh

[sacred ginkgo]

Auxiliaries are for the T’au

[nova scaffold]

so basically no way to make a alliance

like practically impossible

[sacred ginkgo]

Yes

[nova scaffold]

darn

[sacred ginkgo]

What part of rabidly xenophobic and supremacist empire speaks of the ability to make an alliance

[nova scaffold]

would be cool tho

[plush mason]

and make about as much sense as socks on a rooster

[nova scaffold]

:(

[arctic talon]

The imperium is horrid

(affectionate)

[nova scaffold]

so the only option is basically tau or be lonly and hope no one visit

[sacred ginkgo]

The tau isn’t exactly a good option

[nova scaffold]

so no one?

[sacred ginkgo]

They’re still facist empire

They’ll just try to induct you peacefully first

[nova scaffold]

atlease better then getting ripped apart at first contact

[hexed trail]

Okay here is a question for you guys think Kaldor Draigo is a Primarch level character.

[nova scaffold]

im a quar guy

[hexed trail]

As he has pulled just insane feats

[nova scaffold]

i love quar

[sacred ginkgo]

Primarch as in comic super hero type character? Yeah

[nova scaffold]

thiers a really short space marine that is absolutely dense in muscle

because hes bench press for the emperor

and because hes smol

[hexed trail]

As in is essentially a demi god himself as he fought a primarch and won, lives in the warp proper somehow and has prophecies saying he is the grey knight chosen one

[nova scaffold]

@sacred ginkgo i do want to come up a kitbash imperium quar units

because its cool

and no thats not a pringos can

thats a long grenades

forbidden Pringles

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-pringles-gif-15802570409521046001

[sour hornet]

Loyal members of the Imperium will deadass, no irony doom themselves if it means fucking over an alien.

[sturdy sedge]

As they should

[sour hornet]

Literally ranked platinum, full gaming chair and G-fuel sponsorship.

[sour hornet]

This is why the mon'keigh are doomed to eternal struggle.

https://tenor.com/view/shake-my-head-mark-philips-rdcworld1-disappointed-nope-gif-12480911180809665866

[nova scaffold]

so beside the imperium

is their other xeno species that is logical

[sour hornet]

"besides the Imperium"

assuming the Imperium is logical

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gif-6815166390687140758

[nova scaffold]

at a rare chance

like the funny monky that makes a ring shoots a death star ass laser

[opaque coyote]

Craftworld Eldar mostly just want to be left alone

Or not die

[sour hornet]

The Eldar are logical

[opaque coyote]

...of course that usually doesn't happen

[nova scaffold]

they want to be alone after what they did

[sour hornet]

Craftworlders literally did not do that

that's what makes them craftworlders

[opaque coyote]

To be fair, the Craftworlders literally were the ones that refused to do that

That and the Exodites

[nova scaffold]

yeah they saw that coming

[sour hornet]

It would be like blaming a modern imperial guy for the horus heresy

literally no connection to what happened

worse even, because the craftworlders specifically tried to avoid it

[opaque coyote]

Basically most of them just want to not get sent to a fate worse than death.

The Deldar deserve all the smoke though

They are probably the worst.

[sour hornet]

No probably

Deldar are up there with literal daemons

[hexed trail]

No not really but because they know about shit they seem logical but they are just as likely to do something stupid

[sour hornet]

For your average person deldar are way way worse

[opaque coyote]

The bar is quite low

But yeah they do occasionally do stupid shit.

But so has literally every race.

[sour hornet]

The vast majority of craftworlds are just chilling, sometimes they do stupid shit, but hey?

[opaque coyote]

At this point it's a rite of passage

[sour hornet]

Who doesn’t

[opaque coyote]

The T'au are fiddling around with AI

That's gonna be fun

[hexed trail]

Tau I think only do dumb stuff out of nativity and not because its illogical

[nova scaffold]

so the eldari would be a no because they want to be alone

so who next?

i know dark eldari is a HUGE no

[sour hornet]

Craftworlds are better than basically any imperial world ever, with a better standard of living.

[opaque coyote]

Mostly naivety and manifest destiny.

They're not as bad as the Imperium

But they're uh

Still bad

[sour hornet]

Near post-scarcity

[opaque coyote]

Like if it was any other fucking universe they would be the bad guys

But because it's 40k, living in the T'au empire is relatively comfortable

[hexed trail]

Actually squats are the most logical species in the settings as GW hasn't written them doing stupid shit yet

[opaque coyote]

Yet

It will happen

[nova scaffold]

so yeah a imperium is a no because logic dont exist, eldari is a no because they want to be alone, then which has a good chance that any faction wont murder them on spot

[opaque coyote]

T'au

[nova scaffold]

i know drukari and orks is a HUGE FUCKING NO

[nova scaffold]

explain

[opaque coyote]

They have Xenos in their group

They're the only major faction that teams up with other Xenos in fact.

[hexed trail]

Tau and thats because they 9 times out of 10 start with diplomacy unlike the other factions where it 1 out of 10

[opaque coyote]

Pretty much they even tried diplomacy with the Deldar and Necrons.

However after one encounter with them both. They switched to KoS

For

Obvious reasons

[nova scaffold]

so basically 1/100 for imperium

[opaque coyote]

They got a lot of other Xenos in their civilization.

...in lore because GW can't let us have fun. Only the Kroot and Vespids are playable

They also have Gundam mechas

And gigantic fucking railguns

So y'know that's neat

[nova scaffold]

i imagine like a idea of quar managed to did the impossible and successfully made a diplomatic talk

like defy the odds

[hexed trail]

The imperium hates xenos due to finding some of the worst of the worst and deciding it was better to hate on sight instead of being open

[nova scaffold]

they may be treated the as second class in hive slums

[opaque coyote]

The T'au would agree right away.

The Imperium would fake it. Use it to move some troops

Then genocide

Although you could have them as uh

Abhumans

If you really wanted to

Abhumans can have some crazy variations

Would be treated as third class citizens though

Not even second

[hexed trail]

Actually imperium mostly tolerant the tau and even have diplomacy with them but that's mostly because tau are in neutral territories that aren't too important to the imperium

[nova scaffold]

i imagine the idea of quars hand the imperium thousand of vehicles to the imperium as agreement to serve the astra imperium and the human crew is trying to understand how to drive the ghrykyn transport

[opaque coyote]

Also because it's too much work to kill them all

[sacred ginkgo]

I don’t think you could pass those as abhumans

They’re missing all facial features

[opaque coyote]

I mean Beastmen were able to be Abhumans for a while

[sacred ginkgo]

Beastman are humanoid and have things like eyes and mouths

[nova scaffold]

hay if you got xeno that will hand you free tanks and a entire regiment for free that will die for the emperor then it might be worth it

[sacred ginkgo]

Nope

Not worth it

The taint of the alien is more than enough

And those tanks wouldn’t be worth much as they are more than likely entirely obsolete by setting standards

[nova scaffold]

literally the imperium tanks is literally just a ww1 tanks with a turret on top

and name it after a drunken furry space marine

[sacred ginkgo]

And sci-fi bullshit armor and ammo

[opaque coyote]

Hmm

I mean maybe the eyes are there underneath the helmet and they obviously have mouths

It could work

[nova scaffold]

because he accidently found it after it got drunk

[opaque coyote]

[hexed trail]

Beastmen are still abhumans.

[opaque coyote]

Not anymore most of them joined chaos

[sacred ginkgo]

They’re legally KoS now

[opaque coyote]

They are now kill on sight

[hexed trail]

But only necromunda really still use them

[opaque coyote]

Necromunda is rather exceptional

[nova scaffold]

carpets i feel like you either hate quars or the imperium'

[sacred ginkgo]

They are a different scale of power

[opaque coyote]

Nah the Imperium is just that bad

[celest dome]

Well Subbs could work I guess

Subs (Homo Sapiens Deformum) are a strain of abhuman found in the Imperium. Although of relatively stable genetic stock, they are so misshapen and physically abhorrent that they are forced to live entirely separate from mainstream society. Hiding their swollen faces behind filthy shrouds, these creatures form an invisible underclass, forced to live in the unpopulated wilds of the Imperium's worlds and frequently the subject of brutal pogroms by zealous preachers keen to purge the impure. Such mutants are often forced into criminality and soon become easy prey for those who would whisper the lies of the Ruinous Powers. The Imperium has, on occasion, used such creatures as soldiers. However, they were treated as expendable and not expected to survive their first engagement. It's little wonder then that such beings turn to the Dread Powers, if humanity considers these wretched creatures far less than human and has rejected them entirely

[nova scaffold]

oof

[sacred ginkgo]

Are the quar even spacefaring

[opaque coyote]

Genocide is literally a thing on their to do list

[nova scaffold]

well they are basically ww1 standard

so no space ship but just capabile of fighting on ground

depends on which quar factions

[sacred ginkgo]

If they’re ww1 tech level then there’s quite literally nothing they can do in 40k

[celest dome]

They'll have better luck with the Tau than the Imperium

[opaque coyote]

Still cooked if they ever fought.

But if they get classified as Abhumans or get found by the T'au then they'll be given proper gear

[nova scaffold]

yet kroots use primative weapons and still folded the imperium

[opaque coyote]

[sacred ginkgo]

At best they stay alone in some corner or get picked up by the tau

[hexed trail]

When did beastmen lose the official status of abhuman as the wiki still has them in the grey zone

[sacred ginkgo]

They’re still energy weapons, and in specific engagements

Folded is not the word I would use

[raven stone]

A...difficult paradox...with Imperials and mutations is that (most) of the time they can't differentiate between what is caused by Warp, and what isn't

So they kinda go nuts

And assume all mutations are warp based, erego Chaos, erego bad and purge.

[nova scaffold]

quar taus

[hexed trail]

Kroots have some crazy genetics

[nova scaffold]

i wonder what they look like'

[opaque coyote]

Kroot weapons aren't actually primitive.

Their rifles basically have the same stopping power as a boltgun

[raven stone]

(Abhumams being the rare times they manage to recognize otherwise)

[sacred ginkgo]

Someone go pull the stat card

[raven stone]

(As mentioned, still not a good deal.)

[nova scaffold]

basically a big ass lead bullet that has the kenetic force rated to "fuck your armor" level

[opaque coyote]

1d10 + 5 energy

[celest dome]

Kroot didn't fold the Imperium, and they use quite good tech, they're not as primitive as you may think

[opaque coyote]

Pen 1

Two handed

[raven stone]

Yea Tau upgraded Kroot guns

[hexed orchid]

The tau gave the kroot some fancy guns but they do run around in basic clothes eating their enemies so wherever you want to draw the line on primitive

[hexed trail]

Well there is a fair share of horror stories in 40k where they let the seemingly harmless mutant go just for a lot of people to die horribly due to said mutant or their descendants

[opaque coyote]

Their bullets are actually the same as the T'au Pulse rifles so it's more like plasma

[nova scaffold]

hm

so yeah how the quars will do in tau service

[opaque coyote]

If given new technology

Probably well

[nova scaffold]

since the best quar units is crusader vets

[sacred ginkgo]

Eating their enemies is an evolved advantage, space marines do it too (when the author bothers to remember they can)

[opaque coyote]

Tbf the SMs don't like

Literally grow new parts and shit from eating people

They just get their memories

[hexed trail]

Don't SM do it for the memories

[sacred ginkgo]

Second class citizens used as disposables or for a specific advantage they have

[sacred ginkgo]

Kroot do it for that too

[raven stone]

Yea there is that too, too many actual bad examples for people to not be hateful and paranoid...much like certain real life issues sadly

[nova scaffold]

my friend told me they might be alot stronger due to higher oxygen which explain the bugs being bigger then a literal car

[opaque coyote]

Hm interesting

Give them a chainsword

Also one of the funniest lore anecdotes in 40k is that apparently chainswords are an evolutionary similar to fire

[raven stone]

Wha

[nova scaffold]

like depending on units

like the baeliog for example is really powerful for a quar standard due to it has really thick armor and it has the powerful 162mm shell

[sacred ginkgo]

That thing would be opened like a can

Terrible armor design

[nova scaffold]

it is packed in so much explosive power that it can possibly bust open a leman rus

[nova scaffold]

its massive because its built around the gun

[celest dome]

Only 3 major "race" developed Chain weapons as far as we know though
Necron and Tau don't have it, Tyranids I don't know really

[opaque coyote]

Yeah apparently Tech Priests speculate that the Chainsword is a natural evolution of the sword design.

With the Eldar being the first to wield it.

[sacred ginkgo]

Doesn’t stop it from being a highly impractical design

[raven stone]

...a bit weird how the iconic chainsword is then humans copying Eldar lol.

You aren't THAT advanced when Ad Mech can copy your stuff

[opaque coyote]

I mean

40k

Impractical design is part of it's ethos

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah but they like

Try

[nova scaffold]

the best design in quar is a ailthean which is reasonablilly armored and mobile

[hexed trail]

One thing I have noticed among certain people is that they dismiss Eldar being partly responsible for the warp being a pretty crap place when it's stated in the wikis and other places that their little nightmare parties really mutated the warp into hell when before it was just a dangerous sea of sorts but can be navigated decently with just tech

Why though

[nova scaffold]

a lleman rus is bigger then ternimator armor

[sacred ginkgo]

What

Is that like

Supposed to mean something

Yes a tank is larger than a suit of armor

[nova scaffold]

14.5 feet tall and yet its armor is thinner then the baeliog

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s armor is sloped in places

Which gives greater effective thickness

[hexed trail]

Depends on the GW writer I say as some are really bad with numbers like some depict average marines as 12 foot monsters

[nova scaffold]

high explosive artillery shell dont care

[sacred ginkgo]

They do actually

[nova scaffold]

especially a massive one

[opaque coyote]

Sydonian Skatros

[sacred ginkgo]

That’s why modern tanks aren’t cubes on wheels

[celest dome]

Slopes help to ricochet rounds

[sacred ginkgo]

They also provide more effective thickness by making the projectile travel through more armor because it’s going through it diagonally

[sacred ginkgo]

That isn’t a cube

[hexed trail]

The earthshakers are designed to punch holes in hive city so yeah they would flatten a tank

[opaque coyote]

Stiltman moment

Poor bastard got bullied for being 5'4"

[nova scaffold]

yeah prob the explosive yield is theroically the same as earthshakers

theroedically

[sacred ginkgo]

I don’t think you know what an earthshaker is

[nova scaffold]

big ass guns kreig use

[opaque coyote]

Me when I shake my ass

[sacred ginkgo]

True!

[nova scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/very-fast-rat-rat-webcam-funny-cute-gif-20994565

[hexed trail]

Earthshakers are basically the size of Gustav guns but actually got a logistics to make them viable

[nova scaffold]

yes basically made by people not high on meth

[hexed trail]

No no they were

[celest dome]

You seem to very much love the Quar, but they're meant to be WW1 design, they're going to be outclassed by futuristic design, it's just due to their nature

[nova scaffold]

i love quar

how else i got a large army because of it

[hexed trail]

I actually wonder could the guys from trench crusade be able to survive in 40k as that setting is also an over the top hellscape

[nova scaffold]

yet the leman russ is a ww1 design with future stuff

[nova scaffold]

no

they will get ripped apart

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s a WW1 design made of space metal which is 1000x better because some writer thought it would be funny

[celest dome]

TC have some ridiculous feats though, they're way past WW1 warfare

[celest dome]

More like WW2 design but made with 40k tech (well 20k tech, which is better anyway)

[hexed trail]

Leman Russ while goofy in appearance got a lot of sci-fi bullshit under the hood

[opaque coyote]

mfw I shoot shells literally loaded with god speaking in reverse

[nova scaffold]

literally you got the death korp of kreig

its just ww1 german in space

[opaque coyote]

Yes

[nova scaffold]

with trench warfare and artillery spam

[opaque coyote]

But the in space part is important

[hexed trail]

Yeah like they got a space program going on

[sacred ginkgo]

They’re not specifically German, it’s just the helmet

It’s more ww1 kitchen sink

[opaque coyote]

Knowing the Trench Crusade universe. They might encounter Lovecraftian gods

On the moon

[sacred ginkgo]

Coat is French iirc

And the gasmask is from somewhere else still

[celest dome]

With Lasguns, which will plasmify matter
With Voidshield tech
With planes
With space ship support...

[opaque coyote]

I mean they accidentally opened the portal to hell

Might as well might shit wilder

[hexed trail]

Do they got any books yet as they have made such an interesting setting

[opaque coyote]

As far as I'm aware

No

[nova scaffold]

like saying the imperium is advance is kinda goofy since at the end of the day, the imperium is just basically ww1 but with futuristic technology

[celest dome]

Helmet is both German and French (Pickle something and Adrian helmet)

[opaque coyote]

I mean Lasguns don't really plasmaify matter.

They can just casually cut off human body parts with a single shot

[celest dome]

Not yet, unknown still if some are planned

[hexed trail]

I hope TC let actually good people make video games and stuff with the IP instead of whatever GW did/does

[sacred ginkgo]

Not really at all, they’ve got a lot of combined arms and modern doctrines

[celest dome]

iirc in lore they do, it's how they do damage (not radiation or just heat)

[sacred ginkgo]

As well as like

[hexed trail]

They recently did an expansion so I think they are coming

[sacred ginkgo]

Obviously being a galactic culture

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it's partially an art style thing.

You got to communicate how far the Imperium has fallen from their golden age

Well fallen twice

💀

Okay three times

That cliff is not fucking ending

[celest dome]

HH (Now)
Dark Age of Technology (Terra pre-crusade)

[opaque coyote]

Only interspersed with occasional spikes

[opaque coyote]

Also including the Imperium being split in half

[hexed trail]

The imperium is recovering finally as they are getting both new and old toys in recent editions and they are setting up for more in the next

[opaque coyote]

But hey at least they got

One Primarch back

And another on the way

Just ignore that half of it is currently uhh

Inaccessible

[celest dome]

Men of Iron, is that DAoT or before ?

[sacred ginkgo]

“Recovering”
dealing with new crises instead of old ones

[hexed trail]

No the other one is fixing his half of the imperium which was left all the way up shits creek

[sacred ginkgo]

They aren’t recovering shit, the nature of the decay has simply shifted

[opaque coyote]

At least they invented

New gear

...

Okay yeah I got nothing

[hexed trail]

From guaranteed destruction to maybe not is definitely a level of recovery

[sacred ginkgo]

Live tyranids reaction

[celest dome]

More like from guaranteed destruction in the next 5k years to now in the next 10k years, which is great, but still not really fixed per se

[opaque coyote]

Only for half of the Imperium

The other half is currently this image

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

Nihilus moment

[nova scaffold]

is airbrsh worth it?

[hexed trail]

The lion is doing his best

[crystal forum]

show the leopard 2 in its modern form smh

[nova scaffold]

im sleeping

is rude to disturb

[crystal forum]

also just an FYI, if those shitass quar tanks are meant to emulate WW1 to inter war designs then their armour must be thinner than paper

[nova scaffold]

sleeping

[crystal forum]

also the tank designs suck, i must say yet again

i make better designs in the toilet bowl

[sacred ginkgo]

Cube with tracks and gun

[crystal forum]

incredibly bland

[frosty wind]

lamo, they are not recovering

Dante and Lion managed to save some worlds on nihilius and guilliman captured some lost worlds, thats it

great value horus doomed half of the imperium

[sacred ginkgo]

Also

[frosty wind]

hive fleet coming to terra and imperium cannot stop it

[sacred ginkgo]

Live tyranids reaction

[crystal forum]

the hive fleet might affect the setting in 10 years

[frosty wind]

Gulliman overworked and depressed af probably too, he is more angry and desperate

[hexed trail]

Tyranids don't got the personality to be a doomsday event. Something will happen to them and they will be a back burner faction again

[plush mason]

only 10? well someone is looking on the bright side today

[wet sandal]

it's not like gw are gonna end times 40k anyway

effectively no one has the personality to be a doomsday event because a proper doomsday event will never be allowed to happen

[sacred ginkgo]

And a single faction isn’t even going to be the doomsday

Dark King will

They’ll just be there to facilitate him

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-to-tank-communication-tank-gif-11679869274951291671

[storm jungle]

Mfw when i gotta read more Imperium cope

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[sacred bluff]

i'm from a noble family

imperium good

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910400427277828147/1353491142833995787/image0.gif

[plush mason]

lmao

[normal light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354577144440688736/1356243022899052634/LEGION_LEADER.gif

[dapper gyro]

Fabius is an interesting character, unlike the other EC shitbag.

[shrewd depot]

I'm not sure how he's Slaanesh aligned tho

Like sure, excessive science and curiosity sure

But that really do be Tzeentch's thing

[queen laurel]

His search for perfection and his obsessions

All of those are very excessive as well

[shrewd depot]

Oh is he actually after perfection? That makes more sense

[queen laurel]

and Who else would make the most beautiful race and help him do and make a perfect version of humanity?

Of course that answers obvious the god of excess

[shrewd depot]

Has he met Cawl yet?

I feel like they'd get on

[queen laurel]

Yes he has and cawl bruised his ego

There was a whole book about it

[rocky gale]

Yea he also doesn't worship Slaanesh, or see them as a god. He see's the Chaos gods as natural phenomena and barters with them for power rather than revering or respecting them. In his mind he still follows the Imperial Truth.

[queen laurel]

He thinks that while actively shooting imperial forces every time he meets one?

And i thought the average dark tide fan had an ego

[shrewd depot]

I mean, you can wipe out a whole Guardsmen regiment and not do any significant damage to the Imperium

[rocky gale]

There's a moment where he berates an Imperial for how their Emperor would hate them and their beliefs

"Unlike you, whelp, I once walked the same ground as your idol. I breathed the same air as him. And I tell you this, without lie or artifice. He never wanted to become what you have made him! He did not wish to be your god-thing. He abhorred such ideals! The slavery of your crippled, blind Imperium would sicken him, if he had eyes to see it."

[queen laurel]

Unfortunate that his arrogance will be his downfall because chaos no matter what it is will corrupt it

[winged jacinth]

I bet there's a lot of ecclesiarchs who wish cawl wasnt quite so good at science lol

"Execute me for heresy? Yeah right who's gonna invent space marines 3 then?"

space marine 1 came out, then cawl invented space marines 2 and space marine 2 came out about space marines 2...

secundus marines coming 2027...

[rocky gale]

It's a Bile quote, not Cawl

[winged jacinth]

Oh

[celest dome]

Primaris Custodes

[winged jacinth]

I bet a lot of ecclesiarchs would like to get their hands on him too

bile is such a funny guy love the dude

im gonna make new men... with blackjack... and hookers!

he should have saved himself the trouble and opened a school on an ogryn world

[shadow plover]

Hard

[nova scaffold]

i like thiers a mini story when a tech priest trying to solve a murder but he cant afford to leave a plant

so he had to have a side hustle of being a teacher

[queen laurel]

gives the same energy as

[shrewd depot]

Who dat

[nova scaffold]

like for context, the tech priest is solving a murder mystery but he cant leave due to the planet civil war and he doesn't have money so he had to be a teacher

[nova scaffold]

your mom

[shrewd depot]

perish

[shadow plover]

Buri Aegnirssen

[queen laurel]

the Thrice-Devoured, Buri Aegnirssen

[shrewd depot]

Don't make me like the space dwarves

[shadow plover]

you should, they're great

[queen laurel]

you planning to start them or what?

[shadow plover]

I am

at some point

[queen laurel]

tight tight

[shadow plover]

[hexed orchid]

That's an awful lot of failed attempts at eating him

[queen laurel]

How many projects are there lying in the unpainted realm

[shadow plover]

..

Enough

[rocky gale]

A dangerous question

[shrewd depot]

I mean 'Thrice Eaten' implies they were all successful attempts

It just didn't stick

[rocky gale]

Apparently he willingly jumps into their mouths so he can cut his way out of their stomachs

[shrewd depot]

Freaky ahhh guy

[rocky gale]

"On at least one occasion he has leapt into the yawning maw of a colossal leader-beast and cut his way out from the inside" Direct quote from the article

[winged jacinth]

I love how it looks like his glaive's staff collapses to a longsword grip so he can use it inside beasties

The little gear ornament looks like it could be a locking nut and the rest of the weapon is the right size

[rose thorn]

I feel like the new LoV lore is the best lore in 40K in a while

[arctic talon]

I like the new dudes stuff a good bit

The rest is all known lore from the 9e codex

Unless you mean that as new

[rose thorn]

I mean the warcom stuff

[arctic talon]

Yeah the warcom stuff is from their 9e codex

[rose thorn]

Ah my bad

[arctic talon]

okay you can kill me with a rock now

[rose thorn]

Well still, LoV lore feels really nice

[arctic talon]

There’s some stuff I dislike and some stuff I like

As with every faction lol

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/clever-retort-rock-throw-gif-14877259542280369258

[arctic talon]

GW please have new lore in Their 10e codex

[rocky gale]

Yea, it's actually pretty interesting

[arctic talon]

It’s neat

[rose thorn]

I like that they feel like an actual civilization that is pretty alien to any other so far

[queen laurel]

the Thrice-Devoured is a sick ass title

[rose thorn]

They got the cloning

Then got the uh

Everything

World breakers are pretty fun

They play factorio as their entire civilization

[nova scaffold]

i love when literally all but 2 games i owned is render useless

because i didn't pay to play games

even though i literally buy the game

now i had to pay extra to play online?

[plush mason]

why?

[celest dome]

Thrice sound nice right.
The Quarce-Devoured doesn't sound quite as good

[queen laurel]

i mean

he hasn't been eaten four times yet

[winged jacinth]

The devoured-a-lot

[plush mason]

dude need to lay off the vore

[winged jacinth]

The glizzy gladiator (he is the glizzy)

[tough haven]

They call me acid reflux

Cause you can’t keep me down

[near wasp]

[storm jungle]

[languid meadow]

Toriel jumpscare in lore chat

[queen laurel]

This gets a 5 laati's out of 10

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/toriel-asgore-frisk-chara-flowey-gif-11198243060250692306

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/asriel-shrug-wildin-gif-2765553899476055720

https://youtu.be/Z66ZDgLFVuY?si=ArbKQd1lSQRj7rxe

New favourite

[storm jungle]

absolutely based

[outer wave]

Whatever that sound is in the background of the first 30 seconds, it makes me think of Arabic music

Which is very based

[wintry scarab]

Omg new OST! And it has the one that isn't in the game in it!

[storm jungle]

took them long enough

😭

[wintry scarab]

I'm so glad that we actually got a new OST with the arbites update

yay

[queen laurel]

The arbites track is completely original right?

Also it definitely sounds amazing

[outer wave]

It sounds imposing but not in the way I would expect it to sound for the theme of the Arbites

[storm jungle]

Yeah its entirely composed for the trailer

[queen laurel]

Oh because it absolutely slaps

I need to install that s***

[opaque coyote]

Comic artists not knowing how to draw babies:

[rocky gale]

Exceptionally drawn Duck though

[opaque coyote]

Yes

Very high quality duck

And that's all that matters

Tbh babies are actually hard to draw

Can't blame the artist for the babies specifically

...

I will still laugh at them though

[rocky gale]

It's just full grown faces, with muscular backs and fat little bodies

[paper haven]

They look like tiny adults

[opaque coyote]

The faces look like they're working a 9-5

[fervent gull]

Can nurgle's 'blessings' work on chaos factions?

[outer wave]

Its a factor on why Nurgle is still part of The Great Game

His blessings/diseases do affect other chaos factions

[near wasp]

Nurgle loves all

[rocky gale]

Just realised that after this next release wave Votann are going to have more available units than Drukhari (not counting duplicates)

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[wet sandal]

common elf L

[rocky gale]

Drukhari on 18, while Votann are currently on 13 and gaining 6 more

[near wasp]

Isn't the newest dark elf model like 8 years old or something

[rocky gale]

Na we got Mandrakes as a Killteam last year

and we got a new upgrade sprue for our Kabalites 2 or 3 years ago

[near wasp]

Ah

Didn't know about mandrakes

[rocky gale]

Also for Killteam

So yea I think basically all our recent releases have been Killteam

[near wasp]

Still a rip

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/luhmao-little-meow-luhmao-grab-grab-vr-grab-gif-12222958141830498829

[paper haven]

Elves regularly get ignored

[opaque coyote]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9E_1rjNPtL4?si=2uH36IoTEu1M5pTw

Honestly

A controversial opinion I have is that I don't think the Fallout 3 Brotherhood is bad

Both as an idea and in terms of execution

[near wasp]

Honestly elves get so shafted in terms of lore

Like it's actually kinda nuts

[opaque coyote]

Like I feel that Lyons was closer to the BoS founders original idea

Of what the Brotherhood was about

[near wasp]

Constant retcon and no models

[opaque coyote]

40k?

Or is it another type of elf that gets shafted

[near wasp]

Sorry "elder"

[opaque coyote]

It seems to be common

[opaque coyote]

Eldar 🤓

[near wasp]

Autocorrect

I'm not even gonna bother rn works so busy I'm just here to make sure I am grounded and not going insane

[opaque coyote]

Machine spirit on the fritz.

Apply olive oil to phone, set up candle, pray at least 10 times while speaking in tongues

Will fix promise

[near wasp]

I actually to pray to my buddies PC and it starts working better

[opaque coyote]

Again, the Mechanicus is one faction that I believe can exist

Purely because sometimes I think machines have a mind of their own

Printers are often known for being pieces of shit that never work correctly when you want them to

I have unfortunately experienced it

God damn why the FUCK ARE YOU PRINTING THE FUCKING PAPER FADED

YOU ARE LITERALLY FILLED WITH INK

[storm jungle]

Machine worship is not big enough to be warranted its own religion i dont think

which is funny

because we got stuff like Dudeism

[opaque coyote]

Yet.

[storm jungle]

Never

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudeism

[dapper gyro]

Still no Rolling steel in any vol...

[storm jungle]

this is the superior religion

[opaque coyote]

Makes sense in 40k where a lot of machinery is around

[storm jungle]

Tbh it doesnt

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but unfortunately the universe needs to be Grimdark

[storm jungle]

we got machines all around us rn too

[storm jungle]

Big Lebowski is too chill to be lowered to such standards

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but do our machines suddenly open a portal to hell?

I don't think so

[storm jungle]

I mean they dont in 40k either

[opaque coyote]

Ehhhh

[storm jungle]

no

[near wasp]

Warp travel

[storm jungle]

humans are the biggest cause of hellportals

[dapper gyro]

Worship the shiny rectangle box.

[storm jungle]

thats ships... and its artifically made

[opaque coyote]

Machines

[near wasp]

That's a machine

[storm jungle]

Yeah but we dont have spaceships IRL

so again, the example is null

🗣️ next

[opaque coyote]

Exactly

That's why I'm saying it makes sense in 40k

[storm jungle]

no

[languid meadow]

I mean we dooooo if you count the shuttle as a space ship

[opaque coyote]

They have machines that get possessed and open portals to hell

We don't

[near wasp]

It makes sense irl too because it works

[dapper gyro]

The portal to hell is made with the intention to do so...

[storm jungle]

that only serves to support my example in that case, people dont worship spaceship tech IRL

(especially when it explodes)

[near wasp]

I will

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/mq38-l6ODUU?si=tJxSWBs0O6gVhjEl

[near wasp]

May the cogs and grease bless your journeys

[languid meadow]

It should've been big bird

[dapper gyro]

Sorry, but we don't have a Lex Luthor yet.

[languid meadow]

yeah all of our evil billionaires are boring and fucking nerds

[opaque coyote]

"Man it's nice being an astronaut on January 28th 1986!"

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Lex Luthor inadvertently predicted many things

Including becoming president

[storm jungle]

the problem is

Luthor is actually a genius

[opaque coyote]

And immediately spending money on vanity projects

And also almost destroying the entire world because of his sheer ego and refusal to compromise

[celest dome]

Luthor Harkon ?

[storm jungle]

...

[languid meadow]

Doesn't Lex actively do good things, granted it's for his image and shit but metropolis is completely green and has a high quality of life.

[storm jungle]

DIE

[celest dome]

A Genius

[dapper gyro]

Muskrat tried to buy his way to be the president underdesk worker...

[storm jungle]

He does yeah

but like

he doesnt do ENOUGH

[opaque coyote]

Yesn't.

[languid meadow]

true

[storm jungle]

because hes focused solely on destroying superman

[opaque coyote]

He also frequently uh

[storm jungle]

i forgot what animated movie it was,but Supes says it best

[opaque coyote]

Takes people out back

[languid meadow]

I remember when he cured cancer just to give it to the same person again

[opaque coyote]

And y'know

[languid meadow]

just because he could

[storm jungle]

if Lex wanted to fix the world

[opaque coyote]

Kills them

[storm jungle]

he'd have done it years ago

he simply doesnt because envy consumes him

[dapper gyro]

It is the same thing with Muskrat.