40k-lore-chat

[languid meadow]

Idk why I sent wall

[storm jungle]

no excuse needed to send The Wall

[arctic talon]

the original rebels basicially all got deposed

and or corrupted

[storm jungle]

tbh I love how like

[arctic talon]

they pretty much got Coup'd

[queen laurel]

I was about to ask why did you post the most useless Spider-Man villain who have ever been made as a allegory for a war

[storm jungle]

after 16 years of fighting

[arctic talon]

by Alpha Legion and World Eater cultists

[storm jungle]

all those deaths

and it got nothing

[queen laurel]

i thought you were talking about wall based warfare

[storm jungle]

the planet was useless

and all the depots were spent

lmfao

[arctic talon]

yep

LOL

[storm jungle]

legit THE Perfect ending

[arctic talon]

Its so fucking funny

[storm jungle]

YEP

[arctic talon]

also

funniest part of Vraks's marine forces

the world eaters retreated

the alpha legion died to the man

[storm jungle]

LMAO yeah

[languid meadow]

my goats

[storm jungle]

my favorite part with that is

AL say

Dark Angels show up right at the end

ask for salvage rights

MFER YOU DIDNT DO ANYTHING

[arctic talon]

average first founding chapter moment

look they uh

captured 1 dude

and killed like

some people

clearly they deserve salvage rights

[languid meadow]

Hey it's like real old people

[storm jungle]

Governor Bush

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[arctic talon]

oh also

Lemme grab the funny excerpt

post this to scare DKOK "fans"

[raven stone]

I mean considering Vraks is Chaos Undiveded ish mostly ...it isn't surprising, the death and destruction was the entire point for the Chaos forces.

As for Imperials...to be fair, better that those munitions were used to damage the planet itself, as opposed to having all those weapons spilling into neighbouring regions causing an even bigger clusterfuck.

[languid meadow]

It will never happen but I do want Imperium Nihilus to turn into a new Imperium Secundus, it kind of is unofficially since they're really cut off. But like... fuck let something big happen.

[celest dome]

Remember when people were screaching about Krieg in the Penal system didn't make sense

[arctic talon]

send them this

Also btw

[raven stone]

Think we discussed this before...Eastern/Western Roman Empire

[arctic talon]

this is the DKOK poster child regiment

LOL

this is how they go out

in a total rout -> penal legion

[languid meadow]

100% it's just I have nothing to talk about besides this

I'm bored

[arctic talon]

whenever someone says the DKOK don't break

simply send that

it is the golden bullet

[raven stone]

Just assembled the new desk at new home

Feeling happy

[arctic talon]

to any stupid fucking argument about the DKOK being "fearless" and unbreaking

[languid meadow]

"DKOK don't break!" My brother in the emperor fucking space marines route

[arctic talon]

everything that can think has a breaking point

[gaunt lily]

same, new desks are great

[arctic talon]

the only thing that won't rout is servitors, canoptek constructs, specific unsynapsed nids and Tau drones lol

[queen laurel]

do i get permission to skin them alive if they deny the evidence

[arctic talon]

yeah sure

why not

[languid meadow]

something something silence 40k fan I can't read

[raven stone]

TBF the "fearless" thing is an ancient holdover from far earlier Editions...

When the two Forgeworld books Guard Regiments (Elysian/Kreig) had superior leadership to normal Guard

[gaunt lily]

everyones fearless and unbreaking except for when they roll bad on leadership

[arctic talon]

the thing I just posted is from the FW books

they're harder to break != unbreaking

[raven stone]

Yea fair

[arctic talon]

I think thats a weird misinterpretation people always have

marines don't actually know no fear

technically lol

[gaunt lily]

kreig are jaded not lobotomised

[celest dome]

Was there even any lore about them being "harder to break" though ?

[dapper gyro]

Talking of SM, their individual logistic is very questionable. Like most marines carries about 150 bolt rounds (per models and arts), so they need constant supply flow if they do it shooting like many chapters. RG chapters are the more on the side of preserving ammo despite their preference. Melee... as we know, it is very smart. Especially when there were squads of SM got deleted by less than a company worth of IG with heavy bolters.

[arctic talon]

They shall know no fear is a lot better then
They actually can feel fear and they have high tolerance to it but their response is muted and modified to not be as much of an issue so they can operate properly

[languid meadow]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Yes, its under the cult of sacrifice stuff

its mostly in regards to them having less morale issues

and being less likely to route/break morale wise

[queen laurel]

Me watching as the literal avatar of war for the space elves has to roll a battle shock test and lose a test when getting shot with a goblin

[arctic talon]

and then a few pages later you get the 158th regiment imploding due to horrific morale issues and suffering a total rout due to the horrendous conditions

[languid meadow]

waiter waiter more horrors of trench warfare instead of le space monster killed le human

[arctic talon]

the DKOK routed twice in the Vraks IA books and I'd say both were completely reasonable lol

the chemical weapons that melted everything and the earlier one I posted

lol

[raven stone]

But anyways back to Vraks.

Whilst the Imperium can be considered to fail the topmost objective (getting weapon stores back), on a strategic level thr conflict was contained on the planet itself.

[gaunt lily]

i mean its possible they have small stockpiles in vehicles/droppods etc, also if sororitas get flying baby ammo carriers i dont see why SM couldnt procure something similar

[languid meadow]

Shitttt new Path of the Beast lore....

[gaunt lily]

but yeah SM chapters dont seem typically equipped for sustained operations

[storm jungle]

It wasnt really chaos undivided, all respective god-alligned factions on the planet were doing their own thing for their own reasons and barely working together, just being largely wary of each other while aiming to just sew discord for their own pantheons.

And that ammo was used to supply countless Imperial planets in the neighboring sectors, the war's aim was ALWAYS even by the time the Inquisition got involved was to re-secure the planet due to its logistical supplies. Saying it would be better all that ammo was spent killing imperial force; not even the planet as this took on 1 single land-mass; feels more like a weird in-universe Imperial justification on a report to me

[dapper gyro]

They supposed to, it is likely why not many SM actually do infiltration aside from RG.

If they don't have supply, they are just big targets to get hit.

[raven stone]

Eh. Really should try to remember 40k writers don't have the best sense of scale.

My other weird last attempt to explain this would be something to do with how warp routes are pathed and maybe the area around the planet is one of the few stable passageways, but ofc that has nothing to do with the ammo issue.

[gaunt lily]

reading about the first Taros invasion with the Avenging Sons doing a failed decapitation strike on the governers palace was a really good illustration of that ngl, they strike fast and absolutely crush the defenders, but then they stick around because the governer wasnt found and get horribly ground down in the 2 day siege that followed as Tau forces began overwhelming them

[languid meadow]

When WW2 has a higher death count than the battle of shitfuck 2 where untold billions fought (Only 2 million died)

[raven stone]

Re:Marine Chapters ...

With the exception of Ravenguard and Deathwatch, they are really best thought of as strategic spearhead strike groups per se

They are the ones that just crack open the toughest part of the enemy forces

Leaving Guard to "mop up the mess"

[dapper gyro]

The funny thing is that RG chapters always feel fear, because of the number of times they almost got wiped. However, that's why they are more cautious then most others.

[gaunt lily]

tbf i think the problem people have with visualising marines as a surgical strike force is that SM stories tend to focus on characters doing badass things rather than following tight methodical operations

[languid meadow]

It's just another problem of having so many authors

[raven stone]

Ravenguard (+ Successors) and Deatwatch are the two Chapters that can really go into the "super soldier Spec Ops" aspect

All other Chapters are more "hammer in face" linebreakers

[dapper gyro]

DW is spec ops, but RG is reconnaissance.

[gaunt lily]

if in every other story 5 dudebros carve their way through a chaos ridden planet no problem, it can be hard to imagine a company of dudebros getting curbstomped by fish people with guardsman equivelent statlines

[queen laurel]

Yeah watching a marine fight a carnifex with nothing but a power sword and power shield is more raw awesomeness than watching one sneak about the place

[dapper gyro]

Always find it funny that after BT worked with Raptor, BT realized that having recce providing intel and support is so much smarter than charging head first.

So they become friends...

[gaunt lily]

diversity makes the black templars stronger

[raven stone]

This is more a GW compound issue...they designed Marines to look like futuristic Knights and be war focused.

Then they can't decide whether to fully commit to knight role completely, or have the super soldiers with modern tactics and operations.

Ofc some chapters have clearer theme than others but beyond those, it is a coin toss as to how Marines are used.

[dapper gyro]

That was after BT refused the Primaris and killed a Custode.

[queen laurel]

Saying this in front of a black Templar fan has a chance of you getting skinned alive

[gaunt lily]

thats the joke

[raven stone]

No, you just have to say it in front of thr correct ones to avoid death 😉

[languid meadow]

normals

[raven stone]

(Shout to the sane Templar fans we have here）

[queen laurel]

Unfortunately besides Sigsen and Eli

i have not found another normal black templar fan

[dapper gyro]

Also, heavy bolter carried by SM suched, because their ammo box can only carry about 50 rounds, and even with backpack, 200 rounds max.

So 10 seconds of firepower... which is really bad.

[languid meadow]

Love 40k scale that is so bad

[dapper gyro]

Assault cannon reduces the up time to 3 seconds.

Hold the button for 3 second, you are done.

[raven stone]

Most Sci fi writers not doing math lol

[gaunt lily]

tbf a SM with a bolter and 200 rounds could still beat 201 guardsmen pretty easily, and thats assuming no doublekills from explosives or overpenetration

[languid meadow]

it's just one of the moments you have to accept

since if you think about it too hard it ruins it

[queen laurel]

So what you're saying is

[raven stone]

For all its science trappings...

40k lore was intended to be understood with the tone of Medieval sagas

Where truth and poetic exaggeration keeps blending together

In a hapless mess

[dapper gyro]

You know the UM vs Tyranids 10e trailer?

[languid meadow]

Yeah it's in the same category as star wars, which is science-fantasy

[gaunt lily]

imperial guard regiments are literally napoleonic, the setting is very antiquated

i love it

[dapper gyro]

The terminator assault cannon gave up when he got griped because he knows that he is out of ammo soon and being useless anyway.

[raven stone]

Lol

[arctic talon]

40k is very much space fantasy

[raven stone]

I thought (3rd edition joke) he rolled triple ones

(Jamming the gun)

[dapper gyro]

Nah, dude was still shooting.

[raven stone]

Ah ok

[languid meadow]

legit sometimes you have to suspend your disbelief because if you don't you wont enjoy the setting (Also your brain wont melt when thinking about how the authors fucked up simple things)

[gaunt lily]

just because we have space elves and space dwarfs and space gods and magic and demons and hell and orcs does not make it fantasy... see we have aliens and spaceships

(this is a joke)

[raven stone]

Heh.

I mean Science Fatasy kinda just appeals to me a bit more with the guns and space travel TBH

[gaunt lily]

its a lot more distinctive than just another fantasy setting yeah

[raven stone]

Not to be an asshat but you know with classical fantasy settings, someone somewhere is always going to ask "oh can I invent gunpowder pls"

[arctic talon]

weapons don't jam in 40k tabletop wargame even in 3e

[languid meadow]

I mean a lot of science fiction worlds fit more into the whole "Science-Fantasy" category but like trying to fight very diverse settings into strict boxes is hard

[raven stone]

Huh, pretty sure triple ones did something bad back in the day lol.

[dapper gyro]

Oh, did you read the lore of assault cannon and heavy bolter on how they have big spread even for SM? That they are area denial weapons more than to hit things.

[raven stone]

...yea sounds like someone not reading up gun terms

And just throwing words in randomly.

[gaunt lily]

tbf the majority of depictions of spacemarines with their bolters are pretty precise with their aim so idk about that

also the power of an explosive shell exploding near a target is not to be underestimated

[raven stone]

"So LEET they don't need massive reserves"

[arctic talon]

no

Well

one of the Ork guns

had something bad happen

but not anything imperial

plasma didn't even overheat back then for imperials

[languid meadow]

where's the charm in not killing yourself ?

[arctic talon]

the gun just had to cool off between turns

[arctic talon]

play CSM if you wana kill yourself

the plasma could fire every turn

rather then every other turn

but it would kill you on a 1 lol

[languid meadow]

I rather eat glass

[arctic talon]

GW took that system wholesale in 4e for Plasma in general

because people really liked it ig

[dapper gyro]

With normal bolter and bolt rifles, but on machinegun, not so much.

The Assault cannon is specificly said to be a close range weapon... because they can't hit accurately afar...

[languid meadow]

New TC Lore the "Zygotic Lord" of the Path of the Beast

[gaunt lily]

tbf in the case of the termies assault cannon, its a weapon typically seen on vehicles rather than used as an individual weapon so even dampened i can imagine it not being particularly practical for precise long range shooting

i cant blame the weapon for the fact that the fleshy arm its strapped to cant precisely control the recoil of a fully automatic autocannon

it was orginally adopted for use in space hulks and hive cities right? In something like a darktide map i could imagine it being devastating

[dapper gyro]

Yes, area denial weapon.

[gaunt lily]

if you define area denial as deleting a corridor and everyone in it then yes that tracks

[dapper gyro]

I would like to see some tracked Dreadnought. More guns and ammo, better travers.

[dapper gyro]

If it is just 200 rounds in the hallway, then any bolter could do really.

[gaunt lily]

making me think of the HK tanks from terminator lol

[dapper gyro]

If the SM uses something like a Volley lasgun as machine gun, it would make more logistical sense.

[queen laurel]

What just a miniaturized version of this

[gaunt lily]

tbf every other terminator in the squad is going to be rocking stormbolters so you can preserve the assault cannon for specific use cases

[dapper gyro]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/terminator/images/e/e4/T1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200419184337

[gaunt lily]

i agree only 200 rounds is stupidly limited though, better hope the rest of the squad can carry extra

[gaunt lily]

maybe the reason they dont give dreadnaughts treads is that the human mind cant easily cope with that level of alteration?

would be cool to see attempted though

[dapper gyro]

If the SM was formerly a tanker, it shouldn't be hard. He might even enjoy it.

[gaunt lily]

honourable brother oddball in his custom treaded dred sounds like an awesome conversion model

[dapper gyro]

It also keeps the transportation for the dreadnought easier, and even carry other SM on it.

https://armoredcore6.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Armored-Core-6/juggernaut-boss-armored-core-6-wiki-guide.jpg

(ok, to be fair, that thing in Acore 6 is titan level of size and power compare to 40K)

[queen laurel]

Ah yes frontal armor McGee

[golden imp]

Do space wolves or ultramarines get the most BS wins?

[winter vessel]

kinda reminds me of SCORN

[celest dome]

Calgar chocked an Avatar of Khaine...

And they have Titus

Which is one of the most bullshit plot armour dude

[surreal nest]

Space wolves aren't bullshit but I hate them so they dont ever deserve to win

Not genuine hate they're great heels

[storm jungle]

They definitely got bullshit

its just not as prominent unless you read their lore, which is a bit more concentrated

[queen laurel]

Oh they have plenty of bullshit but not as prominent as the other ones yeah

[surreal nest]

Tbf I only know of prospero and grey knight victories so I definitely shouldnt have opened my mouth I just wanted to shit on them 😁

[golden imp]

Prospero win was because Magnus sucks

“We are gonna sit here and let them kill us cause we deserve it :(“

[queen laurel]

Months of Shame

[golden imp]

If the thousand sons actually knew the wolves were coming they would have had a hell of a show, prospero was nuts

[dapper gyro]

Canto Sicarius time

[surreal nest]

God I love the thousand sons

[golden imp]

If Magnus just didn’t suck

[surreal nest]

Im going through their audio book right now

I am so excited to read the ahriman novel I hope it doesn't reek

[golden imp]

Sadly if you made Magnus competent he would be kinda too much for anyone to handle

[surreal nest]

Is there a good book involving Magnus that I should know about?

I want to absorb thousand sons lore

[near wasp]

Cato's decent in recent lore

[golden imp]

Malcador could throw planets “safely” into the warp

[near wasp]

He got mega ptsd

[golden imp]

Imagine what it’s like to throw one unsafely lol

Another fun question

The raven guard. Are they not a super popular faction?

They seem cool but I don’t really hear about them much

[dapper gyro]

They are not

[celest dome]

Which they did

[golden imp]

Maybe Magnus did

[dapper gyro]

GW wants them to be specialized, and fans don't like them because theye don't do cool shit.

[golden imp]

His sons didn’t

[celest dome]

ALL of them did.

The Sorcerer more than the other though

[celest dome]

4th least popular iirc

For the loyalist

Or was it 3rd

[golden imp]

I always thought them and the whitescars were pretty cool

Khan was my favorite primarch

Don’t really know much about corax though

Aside from Edgar Allen Poe memes

[dapper gyro]

WhiteScars and RavenGuard are the opposite side of the same coin.

[golden imp]

Both about fast brutal assaults

Just different way to reaching the target

[storm jungle]

Its one of the peak examples of how badly written the Heresy is tbh

you can just SEE the writers in the background being like

"ok we need magnus to turn to chaos how do we do it"

[celest dome]

White Scar have more potential, it's just that GW doesn't really use them

[storm jungle]

"idk have him sit out half the battle then get his ass kicked by russ in the finale?"

"brilliant!"

lol

[dapper gyro]

Even Khan and Corax, one is extrovert, the other is introvert. Yet both of them are respected by others.

[hexed orchid]

Chaos primarchs try not to get their ass kicked challenge

[dapper gyro]

And by the end of the HH, both of them are well trusted.

[golden imp]

Is khan not an introvert?

[dapper gyro]

No, he is extrovert.

Corax is pure introvert depression.

[golden imp]

He usually does everything by himself and tells people to think for themselves and be individual and independent

[dapper gyro]

Yes, but he tells people, and do things he wants, running all over the places.

Corax... if you don't take time talk to him, he is just there in the corner... being invisible.

[hexed orchid]

Moping*

[languid meadow]

Brooding

https://tenor.com/view/batman-im-gif-27534881

Konrad and Corvus when they need to think of something

[golden imp]

I think Corvus is cooler then konrad

[languid meadow]

100%

[golden imp]

Konrad kinda just sucks

[languid meadow]

besides the lightning armour

[golden imp]

Actual rat person

Doomer

[storm jungle]

Corvus needing to find new ways to cope on why his Chapter founded on the idea of liberating the donwtrodden has to serve a literal space nazi empire

[languid meadow]

its called mental disassociation you're a 40k fan you should know how to do this

[celest dome]

As much as I don't want to see more SM stuff, I'd love to see one of the lost SM Legion/Primarch who honest to god just rebuked the Emperor's will and accepted the cost of their defiance.
And seeing part of their Legion conflicted into either following the father they finally found, or the Emperor

[hexed orchid]

It's for...

T H E G R E A T E R G O O D

[storm jungle]

Same but thats too interesting and not tied directly to a pre-existing tabletop faction ala Loyalists so no dice

[spring cairn]

Liberated by the 24/7 shift at the soul crushing factory

[storm jungle]

I love that about them ngl

good job, you liberated this populace from evil generic aliens or evil generic chaos lords.

Now they can go die in Imperial factories instead

https://tenor.com/view/under-new-management-more-like-under-new-management-megamind-megamind-meme-jokez-da-joke-gif-19867663

[spring cairn]

there's also the baby crushing factory close by if you want variety

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/8Rpws2tZrNY?si=AQt05LzpX7ig2FEN

me when i realise that my colleagues are beginning to turn into a chaos cult

( it was my first shift )

[sour hornet]

writing battletech shit really helps me when writing for 40k shit

ehh sorta

until chaos fuckery gets brought up

[gaunt lily]

i can see it, you could probably write a killer imperial knights book drawing on battletech for inspiration

just think of chaos as bad decisions with physically manifested consequences

[tough haven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/347598466404319244/1401240593606377646/RDT_20250731_1231255578980815837542848.jpg?ex=688f8e7f&is=688e3cff&hm=a5abf5881c36b7988a235832d673235df72c76d7f7316940aac5f3a7e10e8664&

[crystal forum]

im glad you know about kaldor draigo now

and i could explain to you the terrible lore

[vagrant fox]

the cool lore

[stiff crest]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-kaldor-draigo-tts-flames-gif-16083663

[lofty mason]

So Psyker powers range from doing simple mind tricks to actual time-manipulation. WTF.

Probably not the most terrifying, but I like the short story in Thousand sons codex, where one sorcerer wanted very powerfull artefact. The catch was, that it was hidden inside heavilly fortified planet. So he reverted the planet back in time, recovered the artefact before the defences were build and left.

[storm jungle]

Its warhammer

theres no rules for magic lol

literally whatever the fuck the author makes up at that time

also this temporal time travel shit is like THE most basic stuff

[woeful spear]

Space magic is a weird soup

[storm jungle]

its like Marvel/Rules

"My character fires a missile at you!"

"Well my sorceror waves his hand and that entire missile disassembles in time then reforms somewhere else inside you and blows up"

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-magic-magia-mago-maghi-gif-18730267

[plush mason]

so if Gotrek was an engineer before becoming a slayer, did he know Malakai before from his engineering days?

[storm jungle]

Yeah him and Malakai go back iirc

Wait nvm im dumb that was Snorri

[green loom]

I think he knows him via Snorri's friend Varek's uncle Borek

[plush mason]

as much of a joke that likely is, that is exactly how dwarven socitey works in WHF afaik

[green loom]

I'm digging it off the wiki page rn lol

Borek is the guy leading expeditions for Karak Dum, Varek his nephew, who's a friend of Snorri, who's friends with Gotrek

[plush mason]

who the hell is Snorri and why did him being mentioned in the adric episode about gotrek and felix make like half the chat start spamming the crying emote?

[green loom]

Not wholesome chungus 😔

[humble shoal]

Hes a short king

[plush mason]

thats all dwarves

[green loom]

Dementia Dwarf

[humble shoal]

[plush mason]

i know the 3 of them got lost in the chaos wastes and thats how he found the axe

i assume something horrible happened to Snorri and Borek

[storm jungle]

Hes basically a brain damaged (no like literally) pal of Gotrek that was behind one of the reasons on why he went to become a Slayer

its a LONG story, you can look up what happened to him on the wiki i think

[tough haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/347598466404319244/1401348875952062555/3BB0F733-444A-45BA-AD2C-C50E06B8D979.mov?ex=688ff357&is=688ea1d7&hm=443ce93f9828c81a8b710ac57b0c850b1f55b6abafab3a87f3803eda30ae40e7&

[tough haven]

"Sister, I think we're going to have to kill this guy"

"sign language for 'Damn'"

[languid meadow]

I really wish memes using the darktide OST would use a different song

[tough haven]

Same

theres so many better options

especially about this

but disposal unit is iconic

[languid meadow]

My thoughts exactly

There's 100% better songs for a mechancius meme

[outer wave]

The ones from the Gloriana update would work wonders

[opaque coyote]

TTS Kaldor Draigo is probably the best thing that came from the show

"LET ME GATHER MY CHAKRAS SO I CAN ACCURATELY PERFORM THIS NINJA MOVE"

• after failing Psychic check 2x

[arctic talon]

Unironically Gauntlet might be my favorite song in the game

[tough haven]

Its so good

I really like light of the imperium

Immortal imperium

and empires will fall

But waiting to strike + imperial advance is heavenly

I LOVE SONGS WITH A BUILDUP PORTION!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/meme-bob-esponja-gif-2904459546447199840

[outer wave]

I find the volume 3 songs to be pretty underrated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5DAXLMgZ0M

[jade holly]

The Lord’s rave

My two favorite tracks are Warp Traveller and The Gauntlet

[crisp heath]

Ooh warp traveller is good

That's the funky one isn't it?

[jade holly]

The one in the Carnival

[crisp heath]

Ah yep

[dapper gyro]

The Emperor of Mankind (yes the name of the track) is one of my favourite.

[crisp heath]

https://youtu.be/exuKELJxU68?si=CprZnm1GxIEfdVaV

[vital ginkgo]

Are there any written instances of a terminator fighting a centurion? Or a centurion vs a dreadnought?

[median star]

unless its named characters dreadnaught would clear both ez

[opaque coyote]

Y'know

In retrospect

Yes Man is probably the funniest fucking character in Fallout NV

Especially when you do something against his recommendation

Just that severe passive aggressive tone

Although I actually wonder about

Why Yes-Man just really fucking hates the Khans

Like he somehow broke through his purely positive programming just to fucking call them out

https://youtube.com/shorts/vx5lfLc6RKM?si=vrk0GL_E4uEwKPhx

Like I am 95% sure if Yesman wasn't a... Yesman

He would be like this to the Khans:

https://youtu.be/iRT4bUl2iFA?si=IBwk-UajnRODKzz3

[bright yew]

I never get tired of hearing that soundtrack

Warp traveler, path of trust and uprising in hive tertium are also my favorites but they are not even close to how much I love disposal unit

[winter vessel]

it always feel good pumping iron to this song in the gym

[dire loom]

🗣️ Torrent Fights Back is top tier!

[opaque coyote]

Alpha Legion

[raven stone]

Lol

[raven stone]

Amazing how there are only roughly 2,500 editions over the Imperium's 10k is existence

It also means they somehow manage to review the Lex Imperialis once every 4 years if my maths is not off 😶

[sacred ginkgo]

I interpreted that as the 2348th book in the entire lex

One collection of 2500 or whatever

[raven stone]

Oh wait

Definitely a brain fart moment on my part

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s stated the library that houses the thing is like the vaults of mars

[plush mason]

https://youtu.be/qXxWycR0Wok?si=Yp5Eds-n2y4VF9Yj

[median star]

so i know some iron hands become like fully robot on occasion but the ones that still have bits of meat could they still function w both of their geneseed removed

and to add on could that mean iron hands could in theory be the best chapater to pump out marine get a single marine up to age then send them striaght to robot mode and have two geneseed to make two more etc etc

[storm jungle]

That kinda defeats the purpose of being a space marine to most astartes at that point.

so no

[median star]

key to most

also would their ever be any situation where ghoulieman would remove the 1000 limit cap

[humble shoal]

I think a couple of first founding chapters would probably become legions before guilliman commanded it

and dark angels are a legion already

so are wolves

[hallow saddle]

i think part of the issue is the augmetics that the IH use are super precious and ancient etc etc, they cant just augment every brother out the wazoo

or yeah they probably would cause that would pwn

[hallow saddle]

i dont think thats ever been discussed in the lore tbh, whether 99% augmented astartes actually need the gene seed any more

isnt the gene seed stored in the brain or something? in which case i dont think there is the option of removal while theyre still alive

smiliarly with thre removal of the brain, even the super augmetic ones still have their brain

idk, interdasting

[median star]

i thought it was stored like in the neck or right under it maybe

[median star]

their are some that are entirely mechanical kind of bordering heretek lvls of bullshit

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Helfather

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Keys_of_Hel

the lex is better i forgor

[lofty mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrNGcwowvOU&t=4s

Lord Admiral Invicta drops another banger video.

[shrewd depot]

Do you need to charge chainswords? Or like, refuel them? They have an exhaust vent so like, do they have a whole ass engine in there?

[dapper gyro]

The funny thing about mechanical augment is that, while it is stronger than flesh, it is not invincible and it eventually wears. With all of the advantage of the biology that used SM augment, they can keep regenerate energy and minor damages by absorbing nutrition... aka eating. Especially on the field where parts are not aways available.

It is a trade off rather than straight upgrade like the IH people want you to believe.

[queen laurel]

Yes it has an engine yes you need to refuel it

and to activate it you just need to click the handle

[shrewd depot]

There's an item called 'Chainsword' in Warhammer total war, and it made me wonder if chainswords ever lost their ability to be chainsaws

They kinda lose all functionality if you run out of fuel

Chaos ones at least have actually bladed tips or hooks

[queen laurel]

the one in total war seems to be magical

so you just have to think

And the teeth will begin spinning

[shrewd depot]

Yeh the item description calls it a daemon weapon, so its not the same type of chainsword

But I did wonder how OP someone could be if they were just dropped into Medieval society with one

[hallow saddle]

ya, they are kept secret tho cause of uber heresy

[tough haven]

Not really, it just becomes a serrated blade

Still plenty lethal

[hallow saddle]

and also very few are made into helffathers

iirc they basically just guard medusa and guard some other shit

[median star]

first pointy chainsword iv ever seen

[shrewd depot]

I mean, the teeth aren't particularly big, they don't fix in place and its wildly heavy?

Outside of a bludgeon I don't think its particularly good without the chainsaw aspect

[median star]

i wonder if they got to see any notable action during 10th black crusade

[storm jungle]

The teeth are still there and are serrated as well as sharp, it would still do tons of damage

it just loses its motorized cutting aspect, otherwise its pretty dangerous

hell one of the chainaxes you use in darktide literally has an inactive/non-motor attack swing cycle

[shrewd depot]

But they wouldn't. You'd hit something and the teeth would be dragged with your skin, maybe digging in a little but not cutting or tearing. All the none-charged up attacks in Darktide still have a rev to them

You can hear it every time you swing

[storm jungle]

Yeah but its still not moving at max speed as you activate it

[green loom]

That was a later change I think lol

[shrewd depot]

Still better than an inactive, loose chain of teeth

[green loom]

I think early on it only revved when you heavy attacked and you were just beating them to death with the hull

[storm jungle]

Nah yeah thats still the same

heavy attack activates the rev

otherwise it just slowly moves the teeth

[shrewd depot]

Nah I remember there always being a rev noise when you attacked

Its nowhere near as noticable compared to the charge up, but you're not just smacking people with a chainsaw shaped bat

[storm jungle]

for most of them you very much are

like, its a chainsword

it still cuts, its made to be lethal in any manner

[shrewd depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpAxNRg3MTI&ab_channel=Gatlee

Here's old Darktide footage for the chainsword

You can hear it

Its subtle but you can hear the engine rev every time you swing, its just quieter on the light attacks

[queen laurel]

If I know anything an angled serrated heavy club it's still pretty good at doing the job

[shrewd depot]

The teeth are fixed in place

That is the difference

[vagrant fox]

Afaik chainsword teeth edges tend to be monomolecular, I can't imagine it takes much to puncture with that

[storm jungle]

^

even unmoving this will kill someone

[queen laurel]

yeah so imagine a metal and angled serrated club

[shrewd depot]

Maybe? But like, whenever you swing with it, the teeth are going to want to push away from the target, not dig into it regardless of how sharp they are

Especially with teeth that shape

[rocky gale]

Unless they're locked in place when not being pulled by the motor

[shrewd depot]

Which I don't think they are

[storm jungle]

Depends on the chainsword mark

[shrewd depot]

Probably

[storm jungle]

but basically yeah

this isnt really worth the argument

its a dumb sci-fi weapon

[shrewd depot]

There is literally no other point to dumb sci-fi weapons than to discuss them with strict seriousness

[queen laurel]

It's a sword that has blades sharpened to a molecular edge

That is like classic sci-fi bullshit

[median star]

since cadia had ya know the thing happen whats abbadona likely next target for a black crusade

[rocky gale]

Just seems like a simple mechanic to have a trigger which activates the motor also release a lock so it can be use both powered and not

[storm jungle]

Terra. Always has been and still is.

Read the lore.

[median star]

is it just like a straight shot to terra since no cadia now or

[storm jungle]

Its about weakening the defenses around/surrounding it then going for it

which is gonna take forever, aka perfect plot excuse for narrative limbo

[queen laurel]

It's literally just this limbo of The Imperials getting new planets and chaos getting new planets

both of them losing some planets into a perfect balance somehow

[vagrant fox]

yeah well failbaddon no arms 1 billion failed black crusade, owned nerd

[median star]

yea so like what would be a probable next place after cadia we all know hes trying to go to terra

[storm jungle]

Who fucking knows

hes a literal supervillain

he does what the writers tell him to do

lol

[queen laurel]

next thing you know he could be making his own tesseract

the next finding ways to make a giant titan that eats people

[vagrant fox]

Random planet GW makes up for a campaign is next

[storm jungle]

^

correct answer

[median star]

i hope you stub ur toe

[shrewd depot]

According to some map I found

[rocky gale]

Raven Guard haven't been mentioned in a while, he should blow up their homeworld

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1366882068960641185/1381064639088955392/Untitled_Project_V42.gif

[vagrant fox]

Raven Guard have had it too good for too long

[median star]

you could never hurt a sneal

[storm jungle]

Nah that was me kicking you

into the lexicanum pit you go

🫡

[median star]

no

[storm jungle]

yes

next question 🗣️

[median star]

maybe he should go back to medusa for round 2 and put me out of my misery of hoping the iron hands get anything ever

[storm jungle]

pick a better Founding Chapter

[median star]

second fav is nightlords and theyre semi afterburner aswell

[storm jungle]

👉 🇱

[median star]

u smell of ultramarine

[storm jungle]

I like all of them

Next!

https://tenor.com/view/gadriel-space-marine-2-warhammer-space-marine-warhammer-40000-gif-336276864448769752

[rocky gale]

Vampire Marine supremacy

[vagrant fox]

Nassit Amit the goated

[hallow saddle]

iron hands are actually cool as fuck dil

its time to face it

the cyborg marines are cool

[storm jungle]

They are cool but just like most Chapters they got 1 gimmick that gets old

[median star]

the most gimmicky to me are white scares (space mongolians ok)

followed closely by space wolfs (space vikings)

[near wasp]

Knights in space are my fav

[gaunt lily]

tbf most chapters are just one well written book away from being popular

[tough haven]

Anyone here ever played the Ghostrunner games?

[dapper gyro]

It might have a brake so when it is inactive, the chain doesn't stay loose. It is a feature in many pieces of equipment.

Also, a jig saw like chain would cut metal much better than whatever the stupid chain sword design is in 40k.

A band saw*

Also since the chain rotates... For some fucking reason they cover the other side of it, so you can only cut with one side... Just dumb.

[winged jacinth]

They cover the backside because when you clash with another chainsword they both get flung and you'd be liable to cut yourself in half lol

More seriously, like real single edged swords it probably adds strength to the blade

[dapper gyro]

It is true for normal blade, but for chainsaw, you need a guide bar in the middle anyway, which provides strength. Also to keep the chain from collapsing inward.

[rocky gale]

Plus it means it gives you a flat surface to push on with your other hand to apply more pressure

[tough haven]

https://youtube.com/shorts/KC4E7ox2xT4?si=0jP7CTFW8dIukIWN

This is canon

[dapper gyro]

This is a good point

[languid meadow]

Yassified Dorn

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553375105439236096/1401485600267177984/IMG_6851.png?ex=689072ad&is=688f212d&hm=106d45f5e3c2b29ad8bbd51fa2030fb4de82ffc8247000bbfda20fc3d6a98929&

[languid meadow]

I love my woke orks❤️

[queen laurel]

This was a funny thing and connects to another point on how orks really do not understand gender

[wet sandal]

my warhammers..... woke..... pronoun..........

[queen laurel]

Ikor the grot goat

[outer wave]

I can hear multiple fat, bald headed streamers yelling about pronouns right about now

[misty vector]

same book also where valtun asks "how do humies make more humies?" and grotsnik says "its disgusting you dont wanna know"

"even before skinstealers are involved"

[misty vector]

yeahhh that part

[queen laurel]

to be fair ork reproduction is very efficient

So I can kind of understand why the Mad Dok reacted like that

[arctic talon]

The Dok knowing how human reproduction works is more surprising

[queen laurel]

i mean I'm not surprised grotsnik is really into experimentation

[misty vector]

do orks even need like nutrients when they grow in the ground

[queen laurel]

yes

[misty vector]

ahh neat

[median star]

how longs that usually take

[queen laurel]

but going back to this he's definitely the type to improve on orks using other bits of non ork

[queen laurel]

not really given an exact number unfortunately

[spring cairn]

The beast's hiding spot, hidden under a pile of surface shrooms

[median star]

wonder if someone in the imperium every thought of cultivating the orks and harvesting before they sprout out as food or something

[misty vector]

sounds way too risky

[spring cairn]

I'm sure they're edible

[queen laurel]

well that is suicide

[median star]

nothing new to the mechanicus

[queen laurel]

You could just raise another type of creature that is gonna provide the same tasty type of meat and not get your throat ripped out

[misty vector]

the wolf with the endearing grin

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/uwsdjvro/sunday-preview-protect-the-yields/

Hmm, a Scion novel

[languid meadow]

FUCK YES

YIPPIE !

[queen laurel]

huh These ones are more green

I thought they would have went with the classic bluish look

[rocky gale]

Must be regiment specific

[queen laurel]

might be yeah

[rocky gale]

Odd we're not getting a Votann Battleforce

[languid meadow]

I thought they were from the Rhoin Cobras but the highlight is different

[rocky gale]

"the Scions of First Eradicant squad" is what it says in the WarCom post

Huh, the author has previously written a short story called Eradicant, possibly related

[queen laurel]

Was about to say

And it's also scion story

[languid meadow]

Different livery (If we take the cover at face value)

I guess the author just likes that word

[rocky gale]

Shorts don't usually get their own art, so it may have just used a stock image

[languid meadow]

true

I didn't assume the "First Eradicant Squad" would be their formations name since it doesn't follow the same naming conventions as literally ever other scion formation/regiment

[rocky gale]

Yea it's probaly just their role/squad within the regiment

[languid meadow]

It's most likely a new regiment made for the book

the closest I could find is the Rhoin Cobras but no dice

[queen laurel]

yeah maybe that

[tight stratus]

Uhhh its a bit of a weird question but thought I'd ask here

Darktongue hasnt been translated into a font you can use has it?

I know the cipher,but I mean like a downloaded OTF / TTF

[languid meadow]

I don't think so?

[outer wave]

Its somewhat translated

I know some of the scribbles in Darktide have been translated, but not all

[tight stratus]

I just need it for some assets, instead of drawing each letter it'd be easier if there was a downloadable font pack

to just type out

[outer wave]

Mustash Phraagh has not been translated for example

[outer wave]

Dunno if one exists atm sadly

[queen laurel]

Are you talking about the language?

if it's a downloadable font then it's not really a thing

[outer wave]

Yeah

[tight stratus]

this but put into a TTF so each letter on your keyboard would type out the glyph like any other font like wingdings and such

It wouldn't matter if each letter isn't strictly identital, so A can be Aa and captial A could be Ar for example

The usecase here is the utility of getting easy glyphs than hand drawning each and making sure that they're neat

Might just have to be a project that I do myself

[outer wave]

Yeah was gonna say

[rose thorn]

I have a new meme to make fun of imperium glazers

[outer wave]

Oh, do show

[outer wave]

Damn I dont get it

[rose thorn]

It’s from a Chinese propaganda news network

[outer wave]

Ohhhh I see

[tight stratus]

the idea is eventually I can have most of the streams text be in dark tongue for followers/subscriptions I though it'd be cool to go with my daemonhost aesthetic

[outer wave]

Ngl thought it was Japanese from the woman's clothing

[languid meadow]

She's Korean?

[queen laurel]

Well you do have these separated letters as the best you can get for the words but unfortunately there's no downloadable font

[tight stratus]

this helps though thank you! 👍

[outer wave]

She is?

[dapper gyro]

She does look more Korean than Japanese tradition.

[languid meadow]

Yeah Ri Chun-hee

North Korean

[outer wave]

Ohh didn't know that

So its a North Korean propaganda network or a Chinese one that so happens to have a NKer as the host?

[languid meadow]

She's one of the anchors for Pyongyang’s KCTV

[outer wave]

I see

[dapper gyro]

Storm troops are employed in company size of around 100-200 guys, so if one gets wiped, it is not that surprising.

[languid meadow]

I FOUND IT

"Troublesome Scions who have disciplinary problems or fail to follow orders are grouped together into their Regiment's Eradicant Formations. Composed of individual squadrons, they are given names like First Eradicant and so on. The Eradicant Squadrons are then given extremely difficult missions to accomplish,"

Specifically from the Eradicant short story written by the guy who's doing the new novel

[queen laurel]

So troublemakers huh

[rose thorn]

ur completely right I got my dictatorships mixed up

It’s North Korean propaganda

[languid meadow]

which matches the synopses given to us

[queen laurel]

i see we will see if the short story and the novel is connected then

[languid meadow]

@rocky gale found the source of the Eradicant Squad name

It's from the Short story (surprising wow) but it also tells us what they do

Glad we're finally getting more Scion stuff cause holy fuck is it annoying to find anything

[green loom]

The cover is old art

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-squarepants-angry-ripping-gif-25651719

you don't need to reply to a message we've already finished

[green loom]

It's specifically like

The early kill team art

[queen laurel]

The short story art work?

[green loom]

Ye

[languid meadow]

It came out in 2024

the short story

which is hilarious

[tough haven]

“It ain’t my fault! He ran right in front of my bolter!”

[median star]

drago moments before valdor finally makes his return and bisects him

[storm jungle]

Inb4 chuds shit and fart themselves to death because woman x2 and poc x2

[tough haven]

Nearly certain the imperial palace has some anti teleportation measures

[opaque coyote]

WOMA?????

I HAY S DAWOMAN

[tough haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1039539075067166740/1338848209954410557/GIF_20250211_132401_235.gif

[opaque coyote]

POC DEI REEEE-

What the fuck does DEI actually mean btw

[celest dome]

Oh I just thought it was a twink

[celest dome]

Iirc diversity, equality and inclusivity

[opaque coyote]

No wonder conservatives hate it

It's like a chant against them

A seal

[median star]

sneal

[arctic talon]

Kesh's blood games victory was based on her trying to teleport a cyclonic torpedo into the throne room

that could just be a case of a "try"

But considering it was considered a victory there's a chance something from that plan could have worked

the throne room explictly does have teleportation protection

but her plan being considered a victory could mean parts of the palace don't have that same protection

[opaque coyote]

Stealing that

That is cursed

[arctic talon]

and would have ended in the emperors death(maybe)

[opaque coyote]

I think that the terminus decree would also give Grey Knights teleportation permission

Somehow

[arctic talon]

I think their best solution

would to literally be to teleport Titan

into terra

or at least something along those lines lol

enough psykers can teleport planets

[opaque coyote]

Nah

Clearly they need to cover the Emperor in Sister of Battle blood

[celest dome]

Kesh switched out the terminus decree

[opaque coyote]

[tough haven]

Every time I hear “her” in reference to custodes it makes me smile

[arctic talon]

anyways her blood games victory is

[tough haven]

Because I know somewhere a chud is crashing and burning

[arctic talon]

probably one of the most batshit insane ones

considering they usually are done via infiltration/carving a path/causing an actual fucking rebellion

[tough haven]

Wouldn’t a cyclonic torpedo anywhere on terra be wraps?

[arctic talon]

Maybe?

She was specifically targeting the palace complex/area around it

which is whats interesting about her plan

[opaque coyote]

I like the idea of after the games

All the Custodes are like

[arctic talon]

tbf Custodes have literally died

during the games before

[opaque coyote]

"Bro WHAT THE FUCK-"

[arctic talon]

the blood games are deranged and insane

[tough haven]

Bored

Sitting around for millennia makes you do some crazy stuff for fun

[arctic talon]

Tbh after Kesh's victory I'm sure some other custodes will try to copy and modify it

the same way they copy Valdor/other past victors

[green loom]

Realistically you only need the torpedo close by

Also I mentioned this somewhere but the custards, especially recently, don't have a super amazing track record lol

[median star]

the who

[green loom]

And they're kinda short staffed

The Custodes

[gaunt lily]

I really like this artists depiction of star child, the imperium doesnt deserve them

[storm jungle]

god I hate when people draw the emperor as a child due to that Starchild shit

always gives me creepy vibes lol

[languid meadow]

Aren't the custodes back up to 10k by now? I haven't checked in so long

hold on

they are

[storm jungle]

yeah and probably more

they dont have a recruitment limit + constantly take new boys/girls

[arctic talon]

They were back up to 10k then dropped down below it

and now its a ??? as to their numbers

but Imo below 10,000

considering the GSC incident

along with them just fighting mroe now

[median star]

the what

[arctic talon]

GSC on terra

they had a big ass uprising

the Custodes had to get involved

[median star]

was that recently

[arctic talon]

Yes

Anyways mining lasers work great on custodes

fun fact

[queen laurel]

still not enough to win i'm guessing

[arctic talon]

They Patriarch got killed

but not before a fuck ton of people died lol

[storm jungle]

We dont know if it dies

[arctic talon]

Well

[storm jungle]

its left open ended

[arctic talon]

oh wait thats right

lmao

[languid meadow]

They're prob just around 10k either above or belove since the latest date we have is just the vague "41M"

[storm jungle]

lmao

gottem

[arctic talon]

I forgor

smh

My bad for forgetting the booklet lore

[queen laurel]

Imagine the hive mind just staring at the GSC on Terra

[arctic talon]

anyways there's GSC on terra

A lot of GSC on terra

[queen laurel]

Just wondering how the **** do they untangle this

Cluster fuck

[queen laurel]

To be honest it is literally the perfect breeding place for GSC

extremely cramped and a lot of people

[languid meadow]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Gas the hives

kill billions

lol

that was the PDF and Old 100's solution

It did work

not great though

[languid meadow]

Decisive imperium victory

[arctic talon]

I mean it did kill a lot

[wet sandal]

and there's like 50 gorillion forgotten subterranean buildings

[arctic talon]

but it also didn't kill enough lol

and now you're stuck fighting GSC

in environments filled with toxic gas

which means low visability

[queen laurel]

can't the GSC adapt to that by just evolving their population in some way

[arctic talon]

no

[languid meadow]

Only hive fleets can

iirc

Genestealers are hard built to pump out one thing

[queen laurel]

what about their Genestealers?

is that also a no

[arctic talon]

Those were more resiliant to the gas

the point was to kill all the hybrids/humans

which

didn't work either

they just killed a lot of them

[queen laurel]

hey it killed alot

that's good

[outer wave]

Would the GSC on terra be interested in infecting the Emperor's body?

[queen laurel]

what body?

[outer wave]

His corpse on the throne

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[outer wave]

Well, kinda corpse

[queen laurel]

corpse

Do you see the problem here

[celest dome]

What happen if a Psyker get kissed ?

[outer wave]

They kiss back

Actually a good question

[languid meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120299759316520960/1401620025244389558/downloadfile-8.mp4?ex=6890efde&is=688f9e5e&hm=51197c986d2b7cc6fae73b95f71fdc7c34477ef7f0316ff2f4bbb4bba77a8192&

[celest dome]

Well, the Terminus Decree is probably not just a postit note.
If they're to use it then they'll probably have a laid out plan by Malcador, and possibly even something that is to be shown to the Custodes telling them how they're to act (Like a notarised note against someone that has dementia)

[languid meadow]

Ok but where's the coping and meme making in that

[languid meadow]

but yeah the whole thing is a big nothing burger

womp womp

[queen laurel]

Yeah honestly i even forgot it existed because it's literally apparently so important but they

Did not talk about it until this point

[languid meadow]

I would've preferred they didn't reveal it at all

the mystery was cool asf

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's probably better it stayed like some forgotten thing people bring up once in a while

How people are yammering about it

[languid meadow]

Also doesn't help it was shown to us via a leak right?

[languid meadow]

which always makes this type of info worse

[queen laurel]

Yeah like it's very specific

[opaque coyote]

Gonna be controversial here

I think it's fine

Also it would be mad funny if this happens

"Guys, the Tyranids are finally attacking the Solar System!"

"Open the decree now!"

opens the decree

[outer wave]

I dunno, I just find this drama to be a nothing burger

[opaque coyote]

"Please kill me lol - Emps"

[outer wave]

Its like, cool, they got rid of mystique

Anyway I'm waiting for some juicy drama

[opaque coyote]

"...oh wait there's another paper below this"

"Also kill all Space Marines - Emps"

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I always thought that the decree is just a series of plans

Like

"In case X threatens Terra do Y"

Mainly because I can believe the Emperor is enough of a paranoid MF to make a hundred page document detailing plans for different scenarios

[rocky gale]

A lot of the people complaining are annoyed that the decree isn't what they thought it would be, which was "Kill all Primarchs and Space Marines" which is so much dumber

[outer wave]

Should've went further, "Kill all humans"

[storm jungle]

I wish

[storm jungle]

its such a braindead circlejerk too

im fucking sick of it

hope it dies already

[rocky gale]

Like it's much more feasible for 1000 Grey Knights to fight the Emperor than to fight every Space Marine in the entire universe

[opaque coyote]

Also the fact that

Most likely it's gonna be an outside force

Why would you kill your own forces

[misty vector]

Maybe a dumb question but why would the emperor try to prevent himself from getting healed or reincarnating

[opaque coyote]

Again, either way, whoever opens the terminus decree in case of a widespread invasion of Terra would be severely disappointed

"Oh no there's an invasion of Orkanids!"

[arctic talon]

It’s not him

[opaque coyote]

"...the plan just says to kill all Space Marines"

[arctic talon]

The emperor is

Not the same person anymore

In the case of ascension he’s likely exploding into a new chaos god

Which he explicitly will turn into one

At some point in time

[rocky gale]

Yea 10 thousand years trapped to a torture chair, fed constant souls

[arctic talon]

Due to the existence of Samus

Beyond just the emperor being completely batshit insane, and fractured

[opaque coyote]

Again, personal idea is that the Terminus decree is a list of plans

The reveals are basically just

[misty vector]

Ahh i see

[opaque coyote]

Two parts

So to speak

[arctic talon]

In any case its very obviously a

Hail Mary thing

Because ima be real with you

[rocky gale]

I don't think it's a "Open in emergency situation" thing, it's just the Grandmaster reads it upon reaching the office

[arctic talon]

The entirety of the imperium prolly couldn’t stop the ascension of the emperor into a chaos god

lol

[opaque coyote]

1000 Grey Knights vs a literal Chaos God

Completely fair match up

[arctic talon]

Look

Free souls

[opaque coyote]

Also tbf it's like how the US Government makes plans

I think there's one for a fucking zombie apocalypse for some reason

Again, I think the Terminus decree is just an entire book of

"If X do Y"

"If Horus Heresy 2, release virus that kills sphess Martinez and Prime-Arcs"

"If my ass gets out of those throne, stab me a bunch of times"

Etc.

[wet sandal]

"if bro starts yapping about black templars in front of 10/10 baddies at the function, chuck him into the astronomican"

i like to think there's a sweaty custodian with a shovel just throwing people into a comically gold furnace, steam train style

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/so-what-agree-maybe-columbo-gif-18453480

[opaque coyote]

Okay so this is a genuine question.

How independent can Custodes thoughts be

Like I definitely know they can't outright quit their duty to the emperor or betray the Emperor.

But like can they think back and say

"Man... The Emperor was an asshole."

Or at least think privately to themselves.

Like can they have differing opinions about the Emperor?

Or will they all activate glazing mode

[plush mason]

most likely stay in glazing mode 24/7

its literally hardcoded into their DNA afaik

[arctic talon]

Yes

they can think the Emperor was a dumbass/asshole

but they will all ultimately think he's correct

its like being gaslit as hard as fucking possible lol

[surreal nest]

So in some world if the emperor just fully went chaos god mode, would custodes just kinda fuck with it? Think he is still fighting for humanity in his own way and therefore cool?

[arctic talon]

We don't know if there's some sort of delination between the Custodes's hard wired genetic coding and the emperors ascension

like at what point is he no longer considered the emperor

[rocky gale]

Pretty funny if there's something as simple as "The Emperor is the guy in the chair" so the moment he stands up they just go "Who the fuck is that guy"

[arctic talon]

LOL

the Genesmiths have been slacking since Big E sat down

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-the-young-people-old-man-spongebob-old-man-spongebob-how-many-times-do-we-have-to-teach-you-this-lesson-old-man-gif-381138097655436522

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside its ultimately a philisophical question of how The Emperor + those original genesmiths programed

that bit of thing lol

[surreal nest]

It's definitely a bit of lore that is interesting enough to where I never would have expected it to be a custodes thing

I like that

[arctic talon]

the Custodes lore is pretty interesting

imo

since Gene alchemy is so weird

we don't even know what happens when it fails lol

likely something horrific to the baby

[surreal nest]

I enjoy the gene crafting aspect and super human things but I just can't get behind them for power scaling reasons it just annoys me

Too corny for me personally

[arctic talon]

tbh I just wonder wtf they do to the baby lol

considering they say they're reconstructed lol

like wtf does reconstructed mean

do they shove the baby in a blender?

but the stuff surrounding the Imperial household is whats most interesting to me

its basicially its own culture seperate from the rest of the Imperium

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/whyfries-lego-building-lego-star-wars-gif-10683307761800339452

[arctic talon]

dear god

[storm jungle]

🫡

[paper haven]

Leia is overpowered, pls nerf

[opaque coyote]

So basically would it basically be equivalent to

"Okay so he treated his sons poorly, he made several decisions in his great crusade that fucked over the Imperium, and never even considered a more solid plan in case of death."

'...but he did try his best. So I guess it's fine?"

[paper haven]

We're all doing our best

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I am asking this because I want to have an Eyes of the Emperor character

AKA a retired Custodes

Basically reminisce about his time with the Emperor

And how looking back, the Emperor made a lot of mistakes

[paper haven]

Do custodes retire?

[opaque coyote]

And might not have been the best for mankind

[opaque coyote]

Kind of

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eyes_of_the_Emperor

More like switching to a less difficult job because they're getting old or something

And also not wanting to put themselves inside a dreadnought

[paper haven]

Understandable but custodes dreadnaught are the best kind

[opaque coyote]

Basically they act more as like

Super secret agents

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-santodes-awake-awakened-gif-19902226

[opaque coyote]

Basically James Bond on crack

[paper haven]

Stories about Custodes doing spy stuff are always cool as hell

[opaque coyote]

Tbf the injuries to disable range from lime

Losing limbs

To

"My reaction speed is 0.01 Ms slower. I must retire."

[paper haven]

I stubbed my toe. Put me in the box.

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Custodes are one of the few times where

"The flesh is weak" is wrong

Mechanical limbs or organs for them is basically a downgrade

So even if they get any. It's still a downgrade

[paper haven]

Yeah, as far as gene engineering goes, they're basically perfect.

[sacred bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/pregnant-man-react-dont-dm-me-were-done-discord-react-dont-pregnant-man-react-me-gif-15172637796834483807

[opaque coyote]

Had an idea where an Eye of the Emperor acts as a "Ab-human (don't ask what species)" Weapons dealer.

Basically a similar role to the RE4 Weapons Merchant. Helps that the Eyes of the Emperor outfit includes a black cloak

[paper haven]

But we don't need perfect, we need mass produced. And thunder warriors are a bit too unstable but world eaters and night lords are fine

[opaque coyote]

It's half a cover job, half "I genuinely like this new job"

He actually likes selling and making weapons and shit

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-buying-selling-resident-evil-gif-15949790

[opaque coyote]

Unfortunately he happened to get stuck on a planet that went to shit and is now basically a free for all

But similar to the RE4 Weapons dealer. He's still there and god damn he will get his fucking business

[paper haven]

Somebody out there needs an upgrade to their gun and they're gonna be able to purchase it at a slight discount

[opaque coyote]

I had an idea where he basically tells the story of the Emperor fighting Horus.

But instead he simply refers to the emperor, Horus, etc. as like "Captain" and "The Captain's son". Because part of his cover story is that he was a guardsman

Gonna have the Sister of Battle say "Damn that Captain sounds like a loser" or something

And the Eye of Emperor character basically makes this expression:

👁️ 👁️

[paper haven]

That Captain didn't want to worship the emperor as a god?

Sounds like a heretic

[dapper gyro]

9' tall guardman telling SoB stories... that's funny to imagine.

And to be fair, most of the SoB don't even know the big E, so if they meet a living big E, they would think that he is a heretic. Isn't there a book about that and sets as origin for the while dyed hair of the SoB.

[opaque coyote]

It would be framed as something like:

"My Cap'n was an interestin character. He had the mind of a genius. Knew how to command a room with his mere presence.

But he was flawed. He expected his sons to be similar to him me thinks. Cold, calculatin, and ruthless. Honestly, I'm not sure he loved em because they were his sons or because they would've continued his glory."

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Big E probably isn't Big E anymore

So

They technically aren't hypocrites

Also

Fun fact

Terry Pratchett won many book writing competitions

While he was EIGHT YEARS OLD

[humble shoal]

VR blueberry

[late verge]

Is 40k (the game) canon to the 40k universe?

[opaque coyote]

Depends

There was a large game campaign that had story consequences

And generally the factions fighting each other are plausible

But the rules definitely don't apply to the actual in game lore

[late verge]

I meant like, is there a game called warhammer that humans of the 2nd millenium once played

[opaque coyote]

Nah, however there is a very similar sounding game called Battlemace 40 million in universe