40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

a tiny portion

[spare osprey]

i've got the ebook on my computer lemme check some stuff

Btw

[forest moat]

Good afternoon brothers in lore I have been here watching

[crystal forum]

the cope at the end

is it even possible to imagine a world where GW moves 40k enough so the emperor starts being active in the plots

[spare osprey]

nope

[arctic talon]

a situation where the game is almost dead

and they need to try to give it a shot in the arm lol

[tough haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452219191580295168/1400152059181011108/RDT_20250730_1824153339060695864964060.jpg?ex=688b98b8&is=688a4738&hm=fc985ec93b8a07f184c8926a4b87f6b9534b23ff5c747ba00d68d479aeeced9a&

[languid meadow]

the grey knight glazing never stops

[tough haven]

Just exists to make sure nothing ever happens with the emperor

[crystal forum]

billions must die (good imperium ending)

[tough haven]

Also the obvious question of “how the fuck are they gonna do that”

[crystal forum]

kaldor draigo

[languid meadow]

I need more HTP.... Poppenang please

[tough haven]

“Hey yeah you’re gonna have to kill all those guys I made to defend me and be nigh invincible”

“And I won’t tell those guys made to guard me about this contingency at all”

[crystal forum]

kaldor

draigo

also if GK wanted they could ask guilliman to help

[tough haven]

Yeah idk who that is

[languid meadow]

How do you not know who Kaldor Draigo is

[tough haven]

I couldn’t care much about SM lore

Cause SM lore is boring to me

And I’m upset they get all the lore lmao

[crystal forum]

marie sue: the character

[tough haven]

The terminus decree isn’t gonna do shit if the throne fails like it more than likely is

[tough haven]

Yeah sounds like a typical marine character I’d hate

[crystal forum]

draigo is next level

he banished a whole demon prince as a normal grey knight

[tough haven]

Thanks for another target for my hatred

[tough haven]

“Nuh-uh”

[crystal forum]

then he goes into the warp and wanders around killing anything in his path

[spare osprey]

lowk this makes no sense

like

why add the bit of if the emps is revived

[crystal forum]

chaos gods kept throwing demons at kaldor and he just kills them all

so now he's stuck in the warp as doom guy

[spare osprey]

like everything is fine atp

like could he not just say "yeah no don't do that anymore guys

[tough haven]

I NEED him to sit on the chair

Otherwise who else is gonna make the space trains run on time!?

[crystal forum]

"He has undertaken many great exploits within the Warp: slaying the great Bloodthirster Kar'Voth, setting fire to the jungles of Nurgle's domain, defeating the six chosen Daemonettes of Slaanesh, the Six Sisters, and destroying the fortress of the Lord of Change M'Kachan."

he does this on his own

just one guy

[tough haven]

Another reason this lore is stupid

[tough haven]

If marines were on the receiving end of this you’d never hear the end of it

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it was somewhat half redeemed by the fact that it's pointed out that none of his accomplishments are permanent.

He is basically stuck in a constant cycle but unlike Doomguy, he can never actually kill the daemons he fights

[crystal forum]

he's literally doom guy levels of powerful

[sour hornet]

bruh

[opaque coyote]

I say half redeemed though because that is

Still stupid

[spare osprey]

what if he just makes this shit up lol

no one can prove it

[sour hornet]

literally cannot take chaos as a serious threat when greater daemons get worfed every three seconds to jerk off space marines

[opaque coyote]

TTS Kaldor Draigo is basically my permanent canon

[crystal forum]

grey knights are their own beast

[opaque coyote]

I don't care what anybody says

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-gif-5621610198334958462

[opaque coyote]

He was funny

[crystal forum]

grey knights are the plot armour faction

[spare osprey]

grey knights exist to give me bits for my bits box

[sour hornet]

grey knights are the plot armored faction from the already most plot armored faction

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/r354drhgJjQ?si=Nthqd92ZgeGE2yBw

[sour hornet]

they look super badass but I fucking despise them

[opaque coyote]

Admittedly having him reinvented as this permanently insane man is entertaining

[opaque coyote]

Real

[crystal forum]

custodies get less dick riding than GK

[arctic talon]

the only reason I remotely like GK is because of the really old GK omnibuses

which you should read

they're actually good

[arctic talon]

GK art is usually against khorne

funnily

because blue and red contrast

really well

[sour hornet]

Accurate

[crystal forum]

anyways if the plot requires GK to enter the palace they will find a way

[arctic talon]

Well its not going to happen

lol

[crystal forum]

probably using kaldor draigo

[arctic talon]

it getting revealed after all this time is funny

[sour hornet]

unironically

[arctic talon]

its so unceremonious

Custodes get more dick riding by the community

which makes me find them more annoying/hj

[crystal forum]

that's the funny thing to me. the community doesnt even like the GK as much as GW does

[sour hornet]

Grey Knight carving his masters name into fucking Mortarions heart is so stupid

[arctic talon]

tbf that got retcon'd

sorta

[sour hornet]

elaborate

[arctic talon]

most of the really stupid 5e GK lore got retcon'd

in one way or another

[arctic talon]

It was over 200 GK and Kaldor was just the only survivor

[crystal forum]

dont forget the sisters of battle blood

[sour hornet]

that in particular I dont recall

[arctic talon]

Mortarion basicially got jumped by 200 GK

killed 99% of them

and Kaldor was the one who finished him off

[crystal forum]

because kaldor draigo

[arctic talon]

[sour hornet]

🥀

[arctic talon]

named character moment

its still shit

but its less shit then the original story

[sour hornet]

I agree

Its more like 1st Armageddon War

[arctic talon]

in any case I do find the way Ward writes his codex lore

hilarious

which is this faction is the very bestest

and this is why they're the bestest and never lose

he did this for Daemons in WHFB as well

and Dwarfs

and Wood Elves

[sour hornet]

does matt ward write for the eldar ever

[arctic talon]

He did!

He wrote the Iyanden Supplement

[sour hornet]

did he write kino or dogshit

[arctic talon]

its less absurd

but its still very much

Iyanden is the bestest Wraith heavy craftworld

and they have super good wraithseers and spiritseers

ect.

lol

[sour hornet]

I will accept it as tithe

[arctic talon]

In any case I don't even think GK are like

Wards worst bit of writing when it comes to making 1 faction the bestest strongest ever

his WHFB stuff is way worse

in terms of that

[sour hornet]

there is no such thing as over glazing eldar in my mind

[arctic talon]

but its w/e, Ward can actually write really well

is the funny thing

He just always resorts to that style of writing for codexes because uhhhhhhhhh

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sour hornet]

why not

[arctic talon]

Because its kind of silly

[sour hornet]

buy the fucking minis

[arctic talon]

and makes everyone think X faction are mary sues

lol

[sour hornet]

these guys are the best

[arctic talon]

See: Everyone hate GK and Ultramarines

for so long

[remote widget]

Sanguinious, khan, mortarion, lion,corvax, lorgar,

[sour hornet]

buy the fucking minis

[arctic talon]

though I'd say the GK hate is more deserved then the UM stuff

lol

in any case

it doesn't really matter

Ward's 5e lore is kind of hilarious

its iconic in its own unique awful way

[sour hornet]

I just hate both

[arctic talon]

the 5e Marine codex was supposed to be Codex Ultramarines

lol

which is why it jerks off the UM so much

[sour hornet]

💀 💀

[arctic talon]

GW last minute changed it to a space marine codex

which led to uh

issues

and then Ward got a bunch of death threats

[sour hornet]

least convoluted GW machination

[arctic talon]

and then GW stopped crediting authors in rulebooks

[sour hornet]

type shit

[arctic talon]

not convoluted

the original 5e Marine Codex got canned

for something

we don't know what

we just know that something happened to it and hacking together Wards UM codex into a space marine codex

was GW's best option lol

[crystal forum]

TOO LATE

[sour hornet]

which is why I said convoluted

[arctic talon]

I'm sure the UM codex would have been better recieved

if the Space Marine codex actually came out

lol

[sour hornet]

maybe

[arctic talon]

nah not a maybe

it absolutely would have

[sour hornet]

5E was recieved

[arctic talon]

not the best

lol

[sour hornet]

yeah lmao

[arctic talon]

I'd say all the 5e codexes had uh

horrific issues

in many different and iconic ways

[crystal forum]

im positive that we're getting more GK lore and it will be about the terminus

whether it actually has the decree happening or not i dont know

[arctic talon]

the codex?

that is all the terminus lore

lol

[crystal forum]

but they'll talk about it

[arctic talon]

its a codex lore blurb

[sour hornet]

original UM codex would have been a cherry on top a garbage fire basically

[crystal forum]

books

[arctic talon]

doubt it

The SM, IG, nid, Blood angels, Dark Eldar, GK and Necron codex

are all iconic

in their own awful way

for 5e lol

[crystal forum]

not guard though

[arctic talon]

no

Guard was fucking awful lol

[crystal forum]

just generic

[arctic talon]

no

[sour hornet]

I feel youre looking back more charitably than most lmao

[arctic talon]

Guards 5e codex is god waful

[crystal forum]

why

[arctic talon]

me?

[sour hornet]

yes

[arctic talon]

idk

I think 5e as a whole is a dumpsterfire lol

but I don't think the lore inside like

the Necron codex was bad

the rules deserve to be tossed in a paper shredder

[crystal forum]

it's a good thing it's like a decade ago

[arctic talon]

but the lore is fine

[crystal forum]

werent you like 11 wolf

[arctic talon]

I wasn't around for 5e when it came out

[sour hornet]

the rules are like 60% what make a good codex though methinks

[arctic talon]

I've just played it

for fun

but reading the rules gives me horrendus vibes

and playing into them gave me worse vibes

lol

[sour hornet]

relatable

[arctic talon]

Guard had this wonderful thing of being allowed to ignore force organization and get free upgrades

so they could just kind of

[crystal forum]

as it should be

[arctic talon]

me when the entire enemy army gets free hotshot lasguns

[crystal forum]

guard on top

[arctic talon]

truly balanced

tbf

Guard aren't even like

top 3 most broken codexes in 5e

lol

[tough haven]

They should rebrand him as such

[crystal forum]

wasnt there a rule back then that made artillery shoot so far it could hit other game tables

[arctic talon]

no

[sour hornet]

Do you think guard will ever reach IK/Eldar levels of tt hatred?

[arctic talon]

maybe?

[sour hornet]

I want them to

[arctic talon]

depends on if GW pushes artillery

lol

people always despise guard whenver parking lot is meta

[crystal forum]

basilisk go boom

[arctic talon]

the top 3 of 5e prolly belong to GK, Nids, and CSM

imo

[rocky gale]

Ooops all Indirect fire

[arctic talon]

I HATE PARKING LOTS

[tough haven]

I hate all marines equally lol

[arctic talon]

I'm not talking about you, I'm generalizing community perception

which was up until very recently

UM and GK suck

and are lame

well

"recently"

like 5 years ago now

[crystal forum]

thats because GK models are older than dirt

[arctic talon]

GK deserve updates

lol

their army is fucking prehistoric

[opaque coyote]

At least their designs are cool

...

And that's the only thing they have

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah they look cool

[sour hornet]

well its true

[arctic talon]

they're just old

[crystal forum]

GK have that weird effect where they're space marines but since they're a whole faction they dont get the space marine model attention

[sour hornet]

Yeah poor guys

theyre still all firstborn

[arctic talon]

they're not gona be primaris

[sour hornet]

Model wise

[arctic talon]

bcs the only update they got Crowe

[opaque coyote]

They can get their dick sucked in the lore but they ain't getting shit for the models

[arctic talon]

is still firstborn

though he's uh

big

he's a biggun

[tough haven]

I mean it is kinda their flavor of warfare

[crystal forum]

the models will be bigger

there's no way they stay stunty

[arctic talon]

its not the only method of warfare the guard have

and it doesn't make it not insufferable

[crystal forum]

dont forget infantry spam

[sour hornet]

I pray for the reverse

[arctic talon]

people like playing into guard when Combined arms or Armor is good lol

infantry blobs are like, disliked

but not hated

Artillery is hated

[sour hornet]

give me the eldar model of shit lore and based models

[arctic talon]

I think tabletop wargamers just hate artillery

lol

[tough haven]

Yeah but it’s one of the iconic ones

[arctic talon]

yeah and I hope its never good again/j

[crystal forum]

thats only because other factions dont get much counter artillery of their own

[arctic talon]

no

They do

people also hate when those armies artillery is good

guard artillery is just often the best

[sour hornet]

Don't eldar have artillery as well?

[arctic talon]

fucking Tau rocket artillery was the most hated Tau have ever been

and yeah Eldar have artillery via weapon support platforms and the nightspinner

[crystal forum]

why do they hate artillery so much

[arctic talon]

which people also hated when they were meta

[arctic talon]

you can't hide from it

[crystal forum]

so?

[arctic talon]

in every tabletop wargame

people hate losing control

of a situation

[sour hornet]

Being killed by massive splash damage attacks you can't hide from sucks dick

[arctic talon]

and artillery means you always take damage

you always get pinned

you always need to roll morale

ect.

most historic games(excluding WW2) tend to have people not spam indirect fire artillery

out the ass

[crystal forum]

better than melee rushing and having all your units locked in combat

[arctic talon]

mostly for sake of fun

because turns out

people like playing the game

and not being shell-shocked for half the game

Artillery no longer forcing pinning was prolly the best decision 8e made

because getting insta pinned 24/7 was stupid

[crystal forum]

artillery can just always see enemies right

[arctic talon]

yes

[crystal forum]

like they know where to shoot

[arctic talon]

in most wargames they can always shoot

[crystal forum]

there you go

[arctic talon]

if you suggest adding spotters

[crystal forum]

solve the issue by adding spotting mechanics

[arctic talon]

Flames of war tried

and its still broken as shit

though flames of war is a historic system

so artillery being strong as shit tracks

[crystal forum]

how accurate is artillery in 40k

[arctic talon]

4+ to 6+ to hit

mostly 5+

[crystal forum]

oh it's chances to hit

[arctic talon]

yeah

[crystal forum]

not even spread

[arctic talon]

Artillery had spread pre 8e

but it was about the same

unless you were playing Orks

[rocky gale]

If 40k Arty was good and the only caveat was you needed spotters, then Tau would be utter ass to fight, just Arty and spotter drones

[arctic talon]

then your BS was so ass you could have your shells fall on yourself lol

[crystal forum]

lmao

[arctic talon]

Necrons, and orks could both have artillery bombard themselves

necrons due to no minimum firing distance

and Orks due to having god awful ballistic score

[crystal forum]

i thought artillery was meant to be a support unit that deals small damage over time

to support the melee and shooter guys

[arctic talon]

it is rn

though sometimes GW tries to get creative with it

and it goes horribly wrong

guards artillery rn are def supporting pieces

they can slow movement, degrade stats and do some damage

but they aren't super super consistent like the start of edition

where you'd have basilisks blowing you up turn 1

[crystal forum]

man i wish melee troopers were a thing rn

[arctic talon]

Tau smart missile meta in 9e still haunts my dreams

ngl

[crystal forum]

i wonder how good all the krieg arty are

[arctic talon]

decent

[crystal forum]

i thought their reduced mobility would make them ass

[arctic talon]

well as artillery moving isn't a huge concern

heavy quad launcher is like a terrorist pick lol

mostly because its just super obnoxious due to how many shots it has

the siege cannon is the actual good one iirc

[tough haven]

I like artillery in concept

But it’s hard to balance

[crystal forum]

i thought it would be nerfed by the fact that the battles are so small scale

[arctic talon]

that ironically makes artillery better

because there's less targets

so you can just hard focus one thing down

[crystal forum]

you can melee rush the arty no?

i assume guard players know how to protect it though

[arctic talon]

you can but it can be defended pretty easily

melee is pretty easy to deal with as guard ironically

unless you're going tank heavy

[crystal forum]

with ogryns?

[arctic talon]

Bullgryn and guardsmen yeah

Bullgryn are great at dealing with charges and punching back

while guardsmen can be sacrificed pretty efficently

you also can make individual squads melee better with affix bayonets

[fervent gull]

What's the worst weakest lesser daemon a guardsman can face? I thought it would be a daemonette because of.... you know the rest

[arctic talon]

worst in terms of how bad it is to fight?

or worst in terms of how easy it is to deal with

[crystal forum]

maybe a nurgling since those things are slow and stuff

[arctic talon]

the answer to killing it easily is a brimstone horror or individual nurgling

the answer to being absolutely god awful to fight is a plaguebearer

due to the aura of sickness

[fervent gull]

Look through the guardsman's point of view realistically

[arctic talon]

Plaguebearer

[fervent gull]

Including encaptivity

[arctic talon]

plaguebearers have an aura of decay and sickness

[fervent gull]

Goddamn

[crystal forum]

daemonette could seduce the guardsman

[arctic talon]

while bloodletters try to fear you

[fervent gull]

Didnt know that

[arctic talon]

and daemonettes confuse, and (sometimes) seduce you with their auras

[fervent gull]

And in lore how tall is a plaguebearer?

I didnt see a comparison

[arctic talon]

a plague bearer is a walking diseased monstrosity that radiates despair and sickness

[arctic talon]

Around ogryn sized give or take when standing upright

[fervent gull]

Bloodletters?

About the same height?

[arctic talon]

Fortunately for y ou

they're usually leaned over

bloodletters are like Marine/smaller

Daemonettes are also the same

Horrors are smaller then humans

Plaguebearers are weirdly big in lore

compared to their art and miniatures

Though the size isn't a huge issue

its more for you to hit

[fervent gull]

Yeah their art doesnt try to make them seem big

[fervent gull]

You mean tzeentch warp horrors?

[arctic talon]

yeah

blue horrors are shorter then humans

though they're wide

[crystal forum]

hopefully the guardsman has krak grenades

[fervent gull]

And by the way I was always curious about how they fight, in DoW they only shoot magik through their fingers, do they ever do melee?

[arctic talon]

anyways here's a size comparison

[arctic talon]

yeah they got tiny knives, though their magic is more of a concern

[fervent gull]

Is the one on the left is a plaguebearer?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

its part of an AoS warcry(?) team called the gardeners of nurgle

Its also the most recent plaguebearer mini

[crystal forum]

nurgle fans will go "awww he's so cute"

[fervent gull]

I think he found heavy metal recordings in tzeentch's library and loved it

[crystal forum]

chaos models are made for the deranged

who paints this

[arctic talon]

incorrect

[arctic talon]

its a hero character

so its considered acceptable

[crystal forum]

the pus cauldron

[arctic talon]

yeah its nasty lol

[fervent gull]

Is this a herald?

[crystal forum]

oh my fucking god those are ticks

[arctic talon]

yeah its a herald

[crystal forum]

im genuinely unsettled

i need necron scarabs to cleanse my mouth

[fervent gull]

https://tenor.com/view/attack-scarabs-dawn-of-war-necrons-warhammer40k-execute-gif-23633778

[crystal forum]

heheheh

little guys

[arctic talon]

its a bad time to be a normal human against chaos in AoS lol

[crystal forum]

chaos actually has drip in aos

[arctic talon]

jokes aside I think a steelhelm maybe isn't the best comparison

one moment

[celest dome]

Bigger they are, the harder the fall

[arctic talon]

a freeguild knight

[crystal forum]

which god is the black armor axe guy

[arctic talon]

Undivided

generic chaos warrior drip

[crystal forum]

why does he look so sick

[arctic talon]

because slaves to darkness look sick

[crystal forum]

i want him

[celest dome]

Isn't the one with the axe bigger ?

[arctic talon]

yeah but its an officer

not a line soldier

though the changeling was a bad pick

in retrospect

[crystal forum]

black legion have nothing on this drip

[arctic talon]

but Tzeentch lacks any armored unit rn

[arctic talon]

despite them existing in lore

Oh that dude

yeah he's fucking henched lol

[crystal forum]

that's literally a fire axe

is he a firefighter

[celest dome]

Curseling

[arctic talon]

The original Chaos nerds in black

[crystal forum]

i dont like the brass tbh

i'd change it to a darker metal

but there's also just too much of it

[arctic talon]

reasonable

my favorite Slaves to darkness minis are prolly the Varanguard

because its a unit of 3 chaos lords

[spare osprey]

god they need to update the daemons

i want them so bad

[celest dome]

More so the other 3 than Nurgle tbh

[fervent gull]

Can ogryns be born on any planet like in dt characterization screen?

[arctic talon]

if there's ogryns on that planet yes

[spring cairn]

the only requirement is two ogryns fucking

[fervent gull]

Aside from guard business why would ogryns be there?

[spring cairn]

work

bodyguard, hauling

mining

[fervent gull]

Oh alr

Thx

[arctic talon]

slave labor mostly

[crystal forum]

is it slavery if they do it willingly

[spring cairn]

as far as I'm concerned all labor in 40k is slave labor

[storm jungle]

yes

[fervent gull]

Sad

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ogryn

Me and my pal Rabs updated the ogryn page recently

theres a good bit of their origin/planetary lore stuff there

Take a look MANDATED EDICT

[crystal forum]

so they do come from a single planet

[storm jungle]

yeah its called Turkey

[spring cairn]

that's a bird not a planet

[storm jungle]

Shut up gordon freeman I DIDNT ASK

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-freeman-half-life2-valve-walking-literally-me-gif-27271895

[sour hornet]

isnt turkey a country

one of the hot ones

[fervent gull]

LMAO

Are you one?

[sour hornet]

an ogryn?

[storm jungle]

I wish.

[fervent gull]

I'm asking dilara

[storm jungle]

Negative.

[fervent gull]

Me 2 me 2

[fervent gull]

Based map

[storm jungle]

lord why couldnt I have been born in New Zealand

[fervent gull]

Did you add the parts except the imperial guard?

[spring cairn]

ah nothing like the Romanian gulf

[fervent gull]

I last chechked 5 min ago and except ig part werent there

[storm jungle]

Nope that was always there

might be your internet

[fervent gull]

Hm

Strange

[spring cairn]

seems about right

[arctic talon]

same pose as the old mini lol

[storm jungle]

the old ripper guns too

man I miss em

[burnt jackal]

MANDATED EDICT, knowledge

[storm jungle]

[sharp pollen]

MANDATED EDICT
11 YEARS OF SCHOOL

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-40000-warhammer-arbites-gif-17387531913475235275

GET YOUR PENS AND NOTEBOOKS, BLOCKFODDER

[rose thorn]

Mf really go “if I was in 40K I’d be a power baron using my skills and knowledge”

[spring cairn]

the nefarious wood elf larping goblin brothers

[wet sandal]

he's so real for this

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

Bro if reincarnation exists

Please on god

Never reincarnate me to West Virginia

You already damned me to be born in Arizona and then move to California

Seriously West Virginia is the closest thing to a ghost state here

Fallout 76 is unironically the most representation it has

[tough haven]

Canon

[opaque coyote]

Also let me just say something

I fucking hate tipping

I still do it. I know some rely on it

But I fucking hate it

I despise the American tipping system

Damn the corporations

[storm jungle]

Ever watched reservoir dogs?

[opaque coyote]

The whar

[storm jungle]

lMAO

hold on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4sTSIYzDIk&t=7s&ab_channel=Peacock

@opaque coyote this entire scene is literally what you just said, give it a watch

[mossy peak]

do trappers evolve into crushers they look similar

[opaque coyote]

Listen I don't tip when I grab to go

[mossy peak]

the same way rager > mutant > chaos spawn

[opaque coyote]

I tip the few times I go delivery

Or when I eat in

I don't tip when I grab food

Because I paid for the food. I already paid for the FUCKING SERVICE

[storm jungle]

Shut up and watch the scene gay-ass

[arctic talon]

completely different species

[opaque coyote]

Also I am

Currently

[storm jungle]

KEEP WATCHING.

[opaque coyote]

I am doing both at the same time

[storm jungle]

YOU ARE HIM.

[opaque coyote]

Eh kinda.

I still tip when I eat in.

Just not when I get my to go food

[storm jungle]

"Eh kinda"

[opaque coyote]

Or self checkout

[storm jungle]

mfer you literally were telling his exact same points

im gonna drive over you with a steamroller

[opaque coyote]

YEAH BUT HE'S TALKING ABOUT TIPPING WHEN EATING IN A RESTAURANT

WHICH I DO

I JUST HATE IT

[storm jungle]

WHINGE WHINGE

[wet sandal]

if you hate it why do you do it

[opaque coyote]

BUT I DO AGREE WITH HIS STUFF ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT.

IT'S JUST AN EXCUSE TO KEEP SERVER WAGES LOW

[wet sandal]

i barely dislike it and i dont do it

[arctic talon]

we should kill tipping culture in the US and actually pay people what they deserve

LOL

[opaque coyote]

AGREED

[arctic talon]

this does make them less money

in some places actually

lol

[mossy peak]

they will turn service workers into servitors before paying them a livable wage xdd

[opaque coyote]

I WILL GIVE TIPS IF I FEEL LIKE THEY DESERVE IT. I WILL ADMIT THAT MR. PKNK AND I HAVE THE SAME POINT.

[storm jungle]

Fixed

[arctic talon]

working a service job made me hate humanity

working a service job in Taiwan over the summer one year for a family buisness made me hate it marginally less

[opaque coyote]

Also another thing I hate is the mandate to smile

[arctic talon]

because the people were more polite(marginally)

[opaque coyote]

Lowkey one of my friends got fired from McDonald's for not smiling enough

[wet sandal]

man being in the US sounds miserable

[arctic talon]

We should firebomb the walmart family

in minecraft

[opaque coyote]

Also the reason why I still tip is because otherwise the servers just

Outright don't have enough to live. They literally rely on tipping.

It's expected that you give 20%

[late osprey]

people just love to complain

[late osprey]

,

you'll never hear anyone say anything good about the country they live in lol

[storm jungle]

I mean

the US legit fucking sucks

[wet sandal]

i actually quite like where i live

[late osprey]

where did you go in the US?

[arctic talon]

its not that bad

imo

[storm jungle]

Me when government agents blow up my front door searching for my husband

[opaque coyote]

To be fair that is also true.
No country is perfect.

Canada has a worse housing market than the USA somehow. How the fuck do people pay 1 million USD for a small house in Vancouver.

[arctic talon]

you have to realize my tolerance for whats considered bad is very high

[opaque coyote]

Etc. etc.

[arctic talon]

lol

but yes that is pretty bad

[opaque coyote]

Also South Korea is just Cyberpunk except without all the cool technology

[arctic talon]

I have to say

[storm jungle]

Atlanta, we were on a trip since we hadnt been there for like a few years ever since my brother was born there overseas, we got harrassed by some cops who also thought we were arabs btw lol

spare me the bullshit

[arctic talon]

Glorious INVESTORS™

[dapper gyro]

This is the end of my day, and we are still shitting on the US. Let's go.

[arctic talon]

nah

this is a new time

lol

[late osprey]

judging the US by just going to the south is like judging Europe by just going to Poland

[arctic talon]

the convo has restarted

[opaque coyote]

Atlanta Georgia?

Bro I am so sorry

[dapper gyro]

Earlier when I was on the way back, a Virginia car almost hit me on the highway.

[storm jungle]

I mean I can ask the account on what some of my actual american friends think too if you want

als oagain

nobody is talking about europe

stop changing the goddamn topic

[wet sandal]

i will have no poland slander

[dapper gyro]

They drove like a fucking drunk.

[late osprey]

the point is that the US isn't monolithic

[storm jungle]

Cool, its still a shitshow

[late osprey]

and acting like it is is simply idiotic

[storm jungle]

Its really not

[opaque coyote]

No country is.

Healthcare still sucks ass though.

[dapper gyro]

It is a continuation.

[forest orbit]

85 dollars for an insulin shot

💀

[late osprey]

but go ahead and tell me about the super racist state of los angeles

[forest orbit]

what about the internment camps

[opaque coyote]

Only $6 to produce a vial btw

[forest orbit]

or people getting kidnapped off the streets

can we talk about those

[opaque coyote]

Tbf that's recent.

[forest orbit]

Im aware, arent we talking about the US now?

[arctic talon]

insert joke about the median voter

[late osprey]

you mean the measures that both the local and state government are actively opposing?

[storm jungle]

Id love to see that go anywhere

[opaque coyote]

...and that's also gonna take months to go anywhere and that the federal government doesn't care about

[crystal forum]

holy shit grey knights are dumb

[forest orbit]

[forest orbit]

And whats being done about it?

As Laati said it takes forever for those congress guys to do even get anything done

[opaque coyote]

The only state that has really done any push back is California.

[late osprey]

"those congress guys"

you know it's not a legislative issue, right?

[arctic talon]

Newsom is a guy

lol

[opaque coyote]

True, but the justice system is also sucking Trump's toes generally.

[storm jungle]

Really pulling the nerd emoji routine

[late osprey]

it's a judicial one

[late osprey]

if you're gonna complain about something, at least know what you're talking about

[arctic talon]

gavin newsom moment

[opaque coyote]

In general, the USA is basically infighting

[storm jungle]

I dont think semantics really matter, government people is government people

[late osprey]

or not, that's also fine, but at least be honest that you're just spewing downloaded opinions thoughtlessly

[opaque coyote]

Like currently infighting

[late osprey]

this betrays you literally have no idea how the US works

[opaque coyote]

Shits bad.

[storm jungle]

???

[forest orbit]

God

Sure lol

[forest orbit]

Sorry I guess I just simply fantasized about all the stuff happening in the States right now, must have been my jewish conspiracy brain acting up again

[late osprey]

what is that supposed to mean?

[forest orbit]

I dont know buddy, what does it mean?

[late osprey]

are you implying i'm a nazi?

[opaque coyote]

It might be temporary. But it's probably gonna take a decade or two to fix. And also gonna take some governmental restructuring

If they're competent

[forest orbit]

What

[dapper gyro]

We are getting close to personal attack territory.

[opaque coyote]

Also we should

[late osprey]

"jewish conspiracy brain"

[opaque coyote]

Probably back away

A bit

Right now

Just

[dapper gyro]

🍿

[forest orbit]

Im referring to myself dingus lol

[late osprey]

oh

[forest orbit]

why are you assuming its you

[late osprey]

because it came entirely out of left field

[opaque coyote]

...

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[opaque coyote]

Is this what a thanksgiving family gathering is like?

[forest orbit]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

Never had one my family is literally scattered about in different countries

[arctic talon]

you know

this is one of the conversations of all time in this chat

[storm jungle]

Truly.

[arctic talon]

maybe we should move on to something else

or not

;sm

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

Deez nuts

[late osprey]

they're either like 6 people and super kumbaya or a civil war with like 30

no in between

[dapper gyro]

Do Ripper guns use Bolt round casing?

[storm jungle]

You literally start like half of them bruh

[opaque coyote]

Ah

So hell

[storm jungle]

this is like the 5th incident with you this week

[opaque coyote]

Nah I think they're shotguns if I remember correctly

[storm jungle]

if it isnt imperialist glazing its going crazy about killing bears

which im still not sure if it was serious or a joke

[late osprey]

what imperialist glazing?

[forest orbit]

Im 99% sure he was joking

but like

I cannot tell with this man

[opaque coyote]

Probably joking

[dapper gyro]

Bolt round casing, but with buckshot instead of the gyro projectile.

[forest orbit]

I was watching it and I legit couldnt decide lol

"bears are evil animals they can open doors"

[storm jungle]

To be fair IT WAS very funny

[opaque coyote]

That is true though

[storm jungle]

I just assumed he was like

[opaque coyote]

They can

[storm jungle]

maybe intoxicated

[opaque coyote]

And also trash cans

[forest orbit]

I too can open doors

[late osprey]

if it's really that hard to tell, of course i was joking

[kind eagle]

Can non-human animals be evil

?

[dapper gyro]

And trash can?

[late osprey]

animals can't be evil

[forest orbit]

I wis.h

[late osprey]

they don't know any different

[storm jungle]

Considering some of the rants you go on it really is

[forest orbit]

^

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but they basically can just

Tear them down with their H E F T.

Rarely if ever do so though for obvious reasons

[late osprey]

i only "rant" about things that matter

[forest orbit]

Right

sure you do

[kind eagle]

Since humans are animals, does that mean people can’t be evil?

[dapper gyro]

Funny enough, if you put insultation inside of those big trash bins, it is very cozy and is a good personal space.

[storm jungle]

We cannot be evil. Now give me all your money 🫲

[dapper gyro]

Vs the fucking camping tents.

[opaque coyote]

It actually depends.

Dolphins can be pretty fucking evil.

[late osprey]

like what do you suppose as a counterexample

[nocturne crest]

Would anyone accept if GW made the terminus decree into a ever changing document, created by the emperor on what takes priority to save humanity?

[forest orbit]

No

[opaque coyote]

I think it depends on how intelligent the animal is

[forest orbit]

warhammer fans get mad at literally everything

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Theres literally 0 winning ground

they will always find some shit to be mad over

(literal box of text btw)

[opaque coyote]

I would

But not everybody

Because 40k fans are Star wars fans

Only replacing movies with tabletop

[forest orbit]

Im just mad they removed it being Basil Fo's astartes plague

he was a visionary

[storm jungle]

That too

[opaque coyote]

Glup Shitto glazing included

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, just make it so it's the emperor's psychic paper.

[storm jungle]

the biggest thing that gets me is 40k fans thinking they are better than them. Homie im sorry you are about as equal if not worse 💀

[forest orbit]

Tbh

[nocturne crest]

It's whatever he wants the reader to see.

[forest orbit]

does star wars even have a nazi problem?

[dapper gyro]

Star Wars fans are more open minded, except some.

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

I DONT think so?

[opaque coyote]

"OH MY GOD IT'S KILLGORE THE SPACE MARINE! I LOVE IT."

[storm jungle]

like, theres imperial glazers

[kind eagle]

It’s already basically impossible to have an objective standard of intelligence of humans. I wonder how we could do it for animals.

And I wonder where the line where moral responsibility comes in.

[storm jungle]

but isnt a lot

galactic empire i mean

40k meanwhile um

[forest orbit]

Death.

[late osprey]

empire fanboys are a HUGE part of the fanbase, they're just never represented in official media

[forest orbit]

Actively doing something evil and enjoying it.

[late osprey]

so they mostly just talk in their own forums

[forest orbit]

which some animals do

[nocturne crest]

I mean, the sequel trilogy apparently took inspiration of the idea about nazis in South America.

[late osprey]

where it does get a little chuddy

or at least can

[crystal forum]

star wars wishes it could swindle its fanbase for money as efficiently as GW

[storm jungle]

But like

the entire trilogy was nazi germany inspired for the Empire lol

so thats nothingnew

[forest orbit]

But

[opaque coyote]

Yeah.

I still have no idea how people think the galactic empire was a good system.

On a galactic scale it basically lasted as long as the confederacy

[forest orbit]

but it does tho

[crystal forum]

eli you looking handsome today

[forest orbit]

especially after Andor

[late osprey]

strictly speaking there's no reason it would've ever fallen apart as long as its immortal god-emperor raisin didn't die

but that would've been even worse

[storm jungle]

There absolutely would be reasons

[nocturne crest]

True, but there was time I saw it as the empire being the British empire, but that might be because of the actors.

[storm jungle]

fascism is self-defeating

[opaque coyote]

Their fashion is literally modeled after Nazi Germany btw

[storm jungle]

Palpatine's government setup was also terrible

[opaque coyote]

Like

[kind eagle]

So many weird Star Wars fans came out as fascists after Andor came out

[opaque coyote]

Literally modeled after it

[forest orbit]

I wouldnt really say "so many"

40k's half of a chunk is made up of nazis

[storm jungle]

yeah that

[opaque coyote]

Also Tarkin was a dumbass

[dapper gyro]

Not many, only the loadest ones.

[storm jungle]

the andor ones really arent that many

[late osprey]

the moff system was literally space feudalism which is hardly stable, but palpatine being the sith lord he was made him basically untouchable to non-force users

[storm jungle]

^^^^

they made themselves really clear and left early

[dapper gyro]

Star Wars is really mid in term of fanbase.

[kind eagle]

I might just be too deep in lurking on Reddit lol

[storm jungle]

THERES YOUR PROBLEM

[kind eagle]

(oh god

[storm jungle]

[nocturne crest]

Saw some say Ewoks being the space Vietnam

[storm jungle]

Mandated Edict: No internet

[crystal forum]

if i cant be happy then nobody else should have rights

[dapper gyro]

Reddit is a very tiny but loud people.

[opaque coyote]

I mean

That is the Rebels. They were modeled after the Vietcong.

[late osprey]

there's like 8 billion different inspos for star wars, the main ones being vietnam, british empire, and nazi germany

[kind eagle]

No internet and kimchi stew would cure me of all my problems I feel

[dapper gyro]

Damn, I'm Star Wars now, too?

[forest orbit]

Always was.

[storm jungle]

When in doubt, open monster hunter food cooking montages 🫡

[opaque coyote]

Also for absolutely no reason.

I like to imagine Star Wars and 40k take place in the same universe.

It's just that Star Wars takes place in a galaxy far far away so it doesn't affect shit

If only because it's funny

[nocturne crest]

Actually, new question. Would the BT go after the GK if they saw the Terminus Decree.

[late osprey]

yeah star wars created the first tyranids

[storm jungle]

Yes.

a BT crusade literally killed custodians and their primaris reinforcements

zealots are fucking braindead

[crystal forum]

BT would still worship the emp if he became a god

[vagrant fox]

BTs are so cool and wise and clever

[dapper gyro]

A few hundred SM vs 1 custode + 20 Primaris. At least Custodes wasn't discounted that time.

[crystal forum]

"this is the martyr's wall, not the tactical retreat wall"

[late osprey]

did something just release about the terminus decree or something? this is the first time ive heard about it and it's been abuzz for the past few days

[storm jungle]

summon the Emperor's Gyattpion

[nocturne crest]

Imagine if they gave GK successors in the next codex when they get their range refresh.

[opaque coyote]

Imagine being Guilliman and having to deal with them

💀

I feel bad for him ngl.

[crystal forum]

imagine when dorn comes back

[dapper gyro]

Guilliman had to deal with BT and DA...

Poor the dude

[nocturne crest]

And the BA.

[opaque coyote]

Like every popular 40k character has committed genocide. At this point it's a requirement

[nocturne crest]

Which has Dante started changing Baal yet?

[opaque coyote]

So I have zero guilt in saying that I feel bad for Guilliman.

Imagine having to deal with

THE IMPERIUM

[storm jungle]

Baal is slowly getting city scapes, its been changes aplenty but its still a shithole.

[paper haven]

Improving the situation?
Ridiculous.

[opaque coyote]

IMAGINE HAVING TO LEAD PEOPLE WHO THINK YOU'RE BASICALLY JESUS CHRIST

AND ARE CONSTANTLY GLAZING YOU WHILE YOU SLEEP

[crystal forum]

gotta give UM props for actually managing planets like human beings

[late osprey]

the BTs as a problem really should've taken care of themselves a long time ago, their tactics defy all logic

[opaque coyote]

Imagine having to wake up to MFS chanting outside your house

[kind eagle]

(Complete aside since Nazis were brought up before: if one of my coworkers has the black sun as a tattoo, what are the odds they are nazi vs just stupid?)

[opaque coyote]

Wanting your holy presence

[opaque coyote]

Most likely both

[late osprey]

the former guarantees the latter

[nocturne crest]

Do you think Gulliman has to worry about people trying to nick his hair or stuff?

[late osprey]

but the ONLY blatantly non-nazi explanation is i think azov battalion blatantly has it as their logo?

[dapper gyro]

Talk to the guy to get more information before going with any conclusion.

[opaque coyote]

Bro he talked to a guy and then the guy literally killed himself

[nocturne crest]

Said people being zealots.

[late osprey]

so they could be "slava ukraine"-posting

[opaque coyote]

Because the guy basically said

"this is the highlight of my life, nothing will be better"

And the worst part is that he was probably right

[storm jungle]

99% Nazi

its better to ask to be sure obviously

[arctic talon]

probably

[storm jungle]

or see if they say any bigoted shit when you ask them about the tattoo

[arctic talon]

Celestine is bleeding out in a corner of a valkyrie during Nachmund

[dapper gyro]

I see to many ignorant people to assume they are Nazi.

[arctic talon]

and people are just busy collecting her blood

lol

rather then doing anything else

i would like to mention she's bleeding out half dead

lol

[kind eagle]

I lowkey just have no idea how to bring it up without it being kinda weird

[late osprey]

"Hey, what's that tattoo about?"

[storm jungle]

^

[dapper gyro]

Just ask "Hey, what is that tatto is about".

[late osprey]

'Yeah, I actually hate democracy.'

[storm jungle]

entirely good casual question

[nocturne crest]

Also, after reading Between two fires, what are the chances that the CSM ate Ferrus' remains?

[opaque coyote]

"Get me medical attention already.."

"SAINT CELESTINE ARE YOU THE GENDERBENT SANGUINIUS IN MY FANFIC?"

[kind eagle]

ok cool

[storm jungle]

yeah and you can act dumb

be like "What do you mean by that?" if he says something weird

fascists usually like-

really accidentally ramble

and think you instantly roll with them

[late osprey]

they're always on some cult shit trying to suss out if you can be recruited

[opaque coyote]

Imagine if he was an ex-neo nazi

[late osprey]

he probably wouldn't say anything weird, then

[storm jungle]

if thats the case thats instant friend material

yeah that

[charred heron]

Is this the chat for wildrift?

[dapper gyro]

Yes and no

[nocturne crest]

Wait, what would happen if someone tried to eat a bit of the emperor?

[late osprey]

no, this is the chat for Warhammer 40,000: Darktdie

[opaque coyote]

Die

[nocturne crest]

Like, they do the British thing and eat the mummies.

[opaque coyote]

It's like eating a piece of the demon core

[kind eagle]

Best case scenario, besides him somehow not realizing what it was when he got it

[charred heron]

whre is the chat for wildrift?

[storm jungle]

WHAT

[median star]

proof

[opaque coyote]

Imagine if he was just a dumbass

"Bro I got it cause it looked cool"

[late osprey]

in the 1800s they used mummy dust as seasoning

[opaque coyote]

"How is it?"

[nocturne crest]

Oh.

[late osprey]

shit was wild

[kind eagle]

Insert meme about 1 gram of uranium being like 1 million calories

[nocturne crest]

Turns out it was more European than British.

[storm jungle]

[dapper gyro]

If you somehow got recruited by the guy, I will give you the Big E's mercy.

[nocturne crest]

I thought it was British, because they hijacked Egypt.

[dapper gyro]

If he is actually Nazi.

[kind eagle]

I would kill myself before getting recruited by a nazi

[late osprey]

it's a significant reason why we actually don't have a lot of mummies anymore

[arctic talon]

Europeans ground up mummies as paint and food

[kind eagle]

/ fascist

[arctic talon]

There were also fake mummies

Made

[opaque coyote]

Also Space Marines btw.

Apparently their rations are so calorie rich that eating one would kill you

[kind eagle]

They just be eating uranium

[nocturne crest]

Whole wiki article about it; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummia

[opaque coyote]

You have to like nibble on it

[opaque coyote]

They can unironically eat bricks and gain sustenance from that

[arctic talon]

Mummy brown is a really cool looking paint

[opaque coyote]

They can basically eat damn near anything

[arctic talon]

Unfortunately

It’s made out of dead bodies

lol

[opaque coyote]

...

That would be metal as fuck though

[late osprey]

surely we can synthesize it by this point

[opaque coyote]

"Yeah my painting is made with dead corpses"

[dapper gyro]

Hey, that's how some of the charms and shit in 40K work against deamons.

[arctic talon]

We can yeah

[kind eagle]

I would let someone use my cremated remains as paint tbh

[arctic talon]

We can get similar colors super easily now

[nocturne crest]

Huh. Turns out they were still grind mummies up until 1915 for paint..

[arctic talon]

lol

[kind eagle]

Be immortalized by being the paint in an art piece or something

[late osprey]

you could only be red unless you waited 2000 years

[arctic talon]

There’s a lot of paintings that use mummy brown lol

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

If I die. I would request for like

The worst fucking music to be played at my funeral

So the people there have to tolerate hearing shit like

[kind eagle]

I think my ashes would be more gray than red

[opaque coyote]

"MY NAME IS THE FUCKING MIMIC OH YEAH"

[late osprey]

oh yeah i guess you could be gray huh

or purple

[opaque coyote]

As my grave gets lowered

[kind eagle]

PURPLE WOULD BE SICK AS HELL

[opaque coyote]

You hear in the distance

"MY NAME IS EDWIN"

"I MADE THE MIMIC"