40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Every planet hides psykers

We’re talking trillions of people lol

[barren prawn]

sounds like something a moebian sympathizer would say

[queen laurel]

Clad you can read like a lot of words from each heresy book you can understand what she's speaking here

[barren prawn]

all i understand is that the witchfinder cant find witches

or.... won't

[storm jungle]

If I did you’d get paper shredded

[barren prawn]

i see my powers of predicting egg freshness are too much for the imperium of man...

ill go to the tau 😡

[winged jacinth]

the savant seems like hed be the one who WOULD have been black shipped
loner is an on the run type and the seer is crazy plus has a mysterious voice giving him apparently good advice

im doing some digging and the seer mentions the imperial truth by name?

that doesnt seem like something a daemon would do since the phrase is meaningless to almost everyone today

like namedropping the truth isnt going to help you convince someone you're the emperor if their planet has been pretending it never existed for 10000 years

the only ones who use the phrase now are space marines right? i guess it could be a heresy-era sorcerer but they'd mostly be CSM which wont be in the game

[arctic talon]

don't worry this book has both/hj

[barren prawn]

savant still hasnt been to terra thus can not be sanctioned

[winged jacinth]

weird considering hes so pro-imperium

cop too

[barren prawn]

you dont have to be brainwashed to love the imperium ok?!

[dapper gyro]

Former enforcer

[barren prawn]

some people are just born correct and based

[winged jacinth]

being sanctioned helps you not explode though right

[barren prawn]

which explains why i keep blowing up as savant

[arctic talon]

They like licking the boot

[arctic talon]

Yes

[barren prawn]

I WILL NOT STAND for savant slander

[dapper gyro]

Being sanctioned means they treat you more like a normal human.

[arctic talon]

I slander all the personalities

[barren prawn]

bro/sis are the only people that unironically believe in friendship

[winged jacinth]

it seems like if you're not cynical about the imperium you'd want to get sanctioned to keep a monster from crawling out of your skull

[arctic talon]

getting sanctioned is a good thing

[barren prawn]

they prolly got invited for a birthday party that was in reality a chaos cult 🤣

[arctic talon]

aside from the horrific mental trauma that happens sometimes

lol

[dapper gyro]

Lol, loners barely think of friendships.

[arctic talon]

but it will making you much less likely to explode

[dapper gyro]

Loners are paranoid to everyone and everything.

[winged jacinth]

honestly the long flight to terra might be worse thats a LOT of warp time

[arctic talon]

well thats part of the mental trauma

also we know that they can do sanctioning outside of terra now

that the great rift is opened

[winged jacinth]

now that i think about it wouldnt all the sanctioned psykers have random time displacement lol

thats good

[arctic talon]

for non astropaths

astropaths still neeed to go to terra

which is uh

an issue

[winged jacinth]

being soulbound for astropathy is less fun than sanctioning too

plus you're a disposable telephone after

[barren prawn]

ye i was about to say

they get stronger soulbinding

[winged jacinth]

they need to be in front of the astronomican source for it

[arctic talon]

yeah being soulbound as an astropath is

incredibly painful

they usually go blind

[winged jacinth]

dont they always go blind?

i think the ones that see are "seeing"

[arctic talon]

Almost always

its like 99.999999999% are blind

let me find the sanctioning trauma table

from Dark heresy lol

And these are only some of the horrifying side effects

[winged jacinth]

sanctioning away from terra makes a lot of sense it was kinda wacky that they shipped EVERY PSYKER across the ENTIRE GALAXY

[fervent gull]

[winged jacinth]

"how was terra"
"my head exploded"
"..."
"i got better"

[queen laurel]

Yeah being a psyker that is like bare minimum basic in biomancy

[rocky gale]

Atleast they give you financial compensation for exploding your skull

[arctic talon]

honestly the monetary compensation for that one is always funny

because sanctioning is done on terra wtf are you going to do with Throne gelt lol

[near wasp]

Caravan dentures formed from the teeth of pilgrims

[winged jacinth]

honestly terran throne gelt is probably considered a relic

[arctic talon]

the one where you get "married" to the emperor and (maybe) chemically sterilized goes crazier lol

[winged jacinth]

you get a nice ring!

[arctic talon]

good point, but I don't even know if terra uses throne gelt

[arctic talon]

and you're immune to seduction

[winged jacinth]

slaaneshi's BTFO

[arctic talon]

thank you astra telepathica

Some of the side effects are kind of

nothings though which are also fun

[winged jacinth]

"you think you can defeat me daemonette? unfortunately while my dick is huge i am asexual and use it only for peeing"

the high rolls seem pretty good

i imagine the best roll is pretty good since im guessing willpower drives psychic checks?

[arctic talon]

Witch pricking, Hypno-Indoctrination and throne wed are all good

yeah the top 2 are just really good lol

its free willpower and toughness

[winged jacinth]

tonguebound seems like fun rp

[arctic talon]

Tongue bound is really funny

It does make some perils slightly less bad

[winged jacinth]

tonguebound psyker on atoma be like "this cult serves uh... the smelly one"

[arctic talon]

I’ve always personally RP’d it as trying to mention or alude to them in any way needs the test lol

So I’d just randomly cut myself off with like, a weird noise whenever I failed the test but wanted to say one of the names lol

[plush mason]

im sorry what

[arctic talon]

Throne wed

You know what gelding is right

It’s a thing they do to animals

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Mechanicum

managed to get Rabs to put some darkmech artwork on the lexi page

[plush mason]

btw, its 95 F and almost 60% humidity, who wants to join me in hell

[plush mason]

no i dont actually

[near wasp]

Oh buddy

[arctic talon]

Chemical Castration

[plush mason]

ah

[near wasp]

Not always chemical

In fact historically it was with a hot iron

[plush mason]

ofc, not like chemical anything has been around for a long time

it only really started to be a thing in the 1800s

[rocky gale]

Sick Sota-Nul art

[arctic talon]

Where’s that art of her from

Actually it’s prolly the card game isn’t it

[pearl brook]

That's one green glowing toaster

Btw who is sota nul?

[arctic talon]

She’s the highest rank of Kelbor Hal’s 9 disciples and she went traitor.

She was the dark true mechanicum’s direct line of communication to Horus

[pearl brook]

Aha

Yes, i barely remember reading mechanicum. Underwhelming book. Or rather overwhelming. The number of Details and complex descriptions fried my adhd brain

[pearl brook]

Any recent lore sightings of her or her maste

[arctic talon]

Kelbor Hal is around

[pearl brook]

Also, does that martian assasin guild still exist? They were also present in the book

[arctic talon]

Sota died at some point as did her direct acolytes but her organization lived on and they worship her now

[arctic talon]

Yes

[pearl brook]

Whats books has been mentioned in and whats He been up too?

[arctic talon]

Ironically very little has changed for the mechanicus organizationally

[rocky gale]

Damnit does anyone have the teaser video they released ahead of Arks of Omen that first teased Vashtorr

I can't find it

[pearl brook]

Average 40k fate lol

[arctic talon]

He’s mentioned once in the 8e Adeptus mechanicus codex and he’s mentioned in nachmund gauntlet

[pearl brook]

Slim pickings, huh? Sucks not to be a named ultramarine

[arctic talon]

The starting part of this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7g300Jwrm0

[arctic talon]

Tbf kelbor hal always has been mysterious

[pearl brook]

What have they been up to? They neutral "ish" or on horus' side still?

[rocky gale]

No not that one

[arctic talon]

Hal? Oh lmao he’s full blown chaos now

[pearl brook]

No, the martian assasin guild

[arctic talon]

He worships the “true omnissiah”

Oh

They’re part of the taghmata

[rocky gale]

I'm talking the original one which only showed the shadowed outline of the character, not the full reveal

[arctic talon]

They get used sometimes by tech priests of varying ranks

[pearl brook]

The who and the what now?

[pearl brook]

Chaos and non chaos alike or only by the adeptus?

[arctic talon]

The dark mechanicum members of the organization if they survived likely sell their services.

[rocky gale]

Found it

[arctic talon]

The taghmata is method of organizing a forgeworlds military forces

[rocky gale]

https://youtu.be/H8UZfna63IU

[arctic talon]

Sorry

[rocky gale]

This one

[arctic talon]

Yoooo

[rocky gale]

The reason I'm so annoyed by Vashtorr, is I saw this and was convinced it was Sota-Nul

[arctic talon]

Rip

She’s cool

they should retcon her death

[rocky gale]

Her followers are trying to resurrect her apparently

[arctic talon]

The taghmata nowadays in 40k is organizationally a shadow of its former self in terms of how tight the heiarchy is.

[arctic talon]

That sounds about right

During 30k it was a way of putting together an army from a forgeworlds many many many disunified forces

Nowadays it’s used exclusively for organization and putting an army together is an even bigger political, egotistical and religious clusterfuck

[pearl brook]

Thx

[arctic talon]

Also the skitarii and titan legions aren’t part of the taghmata

Because the mechanicus is a disaster like that

[pearl brook]

I can already smell Gullimann smoking the 3-pack of lucky strikes because he has to deal with that fustercluck

[arctic talon]

Probably why he doesn’t touch the mechanicus with a 5 foot long stick beyond orders and declarations

He didn’t even organize the crusade fleet sent to the pariah nexus

He just ordered the mechanicus to figure it out yourselves and go help the imperial forces in the pariah nexus

They did the first part but they sure as shit didn’t do the second one lol

[pearl brook]

I must say i am not surprised

I am pretty sure someplace after the great crusade If it had went to plan, big e would have

Put on ice or killed all the problem primarchs and their legions

Subjugated/reformed the mechanicum.

[arctic talon]

The mechanicum was absolutely on his kill later list lol

The terrawatt clans and other artificer guilds were gaining a lot of power

During the great crusade

The emperor also intentionally made Mars’s authority on the other forgeworlds weaker

[golden imp]

Wow sanguiuis really is just HIM

Learning more about him, dude fr just really as good as everyone made him out to be

[queen laurel]

So the emperor just plans to what steal their ability to make machines and stuff later

[arctic talon]

yes

[queen laurel]

So his plan was literally

Get them to surrender and then kill them later and get their stuff

[arctic talon]

well the plan was

integrate them, pay them lipservice, have them make our stuff

stab them in the back

[queen laurel]

Well that works

If he was alive

[pearl brook]

Anime protagonists wish they were him

[plush mason]

the emperor's default of "use something/one till they cant be used anymore then throw the in the trashbin" really makes you wonder just how bad it would have been if the heresy never happened and he ultimately got to see his plans fufilled

[late osprey]

that's really a question of bad for whom

if you consider horus's speculated plan that the astartes would be discarded so that humanity could (except the Emperor of course) largely self-govern with a civilian bureaucracy

that's probably better for humanity as a whole, but certainly bad for the space marines

meanwhile the alternative plan that horus wanted, which was essentially Astartes Feudalism, would've been pretty good for the space marines, but probably would've been actually even worse for humanity

at the end of the day, despite the emperor's colossal flaws, there's nothing to suggest that his singular goal WASN'T the idea of humanity as a species ruling entire galaxy

as the end result to everything he did

prosperity's another question considering how he seemingly didn't care for the regular injustices going on in his imperium, but it's not like installing Duke Konrad Kurze of the X Segmentum would've made that go away

we also don't know if the Emperor ever intended to remove the Imperial Tithe after a long enough timeframe, if that was intended to be an eternal core of the Imperium or if it was a provisionary institution for his crusade (much like how the astartes and thunder warriors themselves were provisionary)

[young pecan]

sangweeweeis

[late osprey]

actually, did the Imperium even HAVE a tithe system during the great crusade?

there's no citation on lexicanum confirming when it started

i assume it did but idk if there's actual hard evidence

[green loom]

They probably just mass taxed/conscripted from the worlds to fund the war effort

[arctic talon]

It had a taxation/conscription

Industrial output was repurposed for war

Ect.

[storm jungle]

^

it was basically about as bad as it was during 40k

just less able to spread out due to the Crusade and no Church

[storm jungle]

Tbh the other thing with 40k is like even if the Emperor succeeded humanity would probably still find some way to blow up and kill each other

that Dr Manhattan quote rings too true in situations like this sometime

[green loom]

He's a good guy until you get to the whole rampant galactic mass murder and secret police bits

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

[golden imp]

I thought the lion was the emperors secret police type people?

And dark angels

The blood angels seem more direct and just throwing a hurricane at someone

A very bloody one

[storm jungle]

they are some kind of

Angels of Blood

[green loom]

Realistically they all murder people to enforce the imperium's rules TBF but I'm referring specifically to the in legion secret police of the Burning eyes

[golden imp]

Lot of recurring names

Iron hands, iron fists, iron warriors

Blood angels, dark angels

[green loom]

Standard 40k things

[spare osprey]

ironwing too

just comes with the setting lol

[dapper gyro]

Back in the day they did not have much creativity. It wasn't invented yet.

[sly ivy]

Tru

[idle phoenix]

if fulgrim had access to darktide discord chat, he would still be a loyalist

[hallow saddle]

cause someone probably made up all the legion names in an afternoon to accompany the different schemes for the box

then they were kind of stuck with it

just like the primarch names l0l

[hexed trail]

Hmm I wonder what is the most popular thing for a retired space marine to do

[arctic talon]

well they don't retire

but if a marine is rendered crippled they usually just train future marines

[sly ivy]

b dead

[arctic talon]

that

lol

retirement is death

[hexed trail]

They do. It's stated ultra marines do retire eventually

[sly ivy]

But second most popular is musical theater

[storm jungle]

They dont

theres literally never been a retired space marine in lore

[vagrant fox]

I can think of two that were "retired" because they were too crippled to fight but not dreadnought worthy but one trains aspirants and the other acts as a governor or something because he's an ultramarine

[storm jungle]

even when they "retire" they still do work ala the Ultramarines, so like lol

[storm jungle]

yeah basically that

so its not even relaly retirement

[arctic talon]

They do not

[storm jungle]

its just "go work somewhere else"

[arctic talon]

no marine has ever gotten that old

and wanted to retire

in the first place

Cassius is old as shit and complains about being old

but he hasn't retired

[hallow saddle]

its like a perma crisis, marines are super needed all the time

[arctic talon]

tbh if cassius retired

[hallow saddle]

they'd be like "nuh-uh brother, we need you"

[arctic talon]

I think his retirement would probably be teaching marines how to be even more xenophobic

lol

[hexed trail]

Never mind I was thinking of custodes who some do retire which doesn't really make sense as they don't need to

[vagrant fox]

It's fine, only the best get to bodyguard Pappa E, go be a big spy for being very, very slightly slower

[hexed trail]

Don't think they can get slower

They basically the emperors clones

Just don't got super psyker abilities

Wait actually I forgot do custodes use a bit of big E DNA to make them or is that the grey knights

[arctic talon]

No

Custodes are nothing like marines

they're basicially scratch built from the basis of a baby

[vagrant fox]

Grey Knights with the smattering of Emperor stuff in it iirc

[hexed trail]

Okay just looked it up they do get the emperors DNA

So basically they are his children

[arctic talon]

Where does it say this

[dapper gyro]

Then he sees zealot chat...

[hexed trail]

Artificially

[arctic talon]

for the custodes having the emperors dna

The custodes do not use geneseed

[dapper gyro]

Custode are custom made soldiers.

[arctic talon]

I would like to see a source on Custodes using the emperors DNA because I have literally never seen this

[sacred ginkgo]

General is consistently worse since the purge zealot chat isn’t even bad anymore

[dapper gyro]

I just took a pass, not bad.

[hexed trail]

Codex: Adeptus Custodes (8th Edition) – p.6:

“Each Custodian was individually crafted by the Master of Mankind himself, using the Emperor’s own genetic material as a base.”

[arctic talon]

thank you

brb

checking the book itself

I got some bad news about your source

its lying

digging through the whole codex now

whoever cited the 8e custodes codex is lying though

its not on page 6

[dapper gyro]

I don't think even 1d4 ever said about Custodes using Big E genes.

[arctic talon]

@hexed trail yeah no this person is lying, quick control f does not reveal this as a quote anywhere in the book

I will be checking the 9e one as well

brb

Where did you get that quote from

I'm curious now

[hexed trail]

Chatgpt as it generally gets stuff 90% right but it does do brain farts like that made up quote

Too poor for official books especially in a country where I got to import that shit

[storm jungle]

Tbh if you want word by word lore just read the wiki

[vagrant fox]

I have a vague idea that 8th edition Grey Knights mentions their geneseed being made with a hint of emps DNA

[storm jungle]

they copy paste everything

but it can be outdated ol

[storm jungle]

nah its entirely of the Emperor

which makes like no sense

but it goes back to their mary sue origins

[vagrant fox]

Who else but the most special boys

Either way I think I recall it from their 8th edition

[hexed trail]

Yeah and the wiki says ratlings are the result of inbreeding which you said was stupid and not canon

[dapper gyro]

ChatGpt took the first results on the internet, which oftentimes misconceptions and put it into answer.

[arctic talon]

🏴‍☠️

[dapper gyro]

It is a tool. And you, don't be a tool.

[hexed trail]

Don't know good spots for books

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside I would not use chat gpt for 40k lore

its not the best at it

mostly since its an internet scraper

[dapper gyro]

Just look over the internet, there are pdf version somewhere.

[storm jungle]

Its old outdated lore

[arctic talon]

for unrelated reasons you should check your DMs

[storm jungle]

so like yeah lol

it gets mentioned once in a rogue trader book from the 80's

[dapper gyro]

Or naked custodes in 4e.

[dapper gyro]

Bad Laati

[storm jungle]

I mean

thats been re-canonized

[dapper gyro]

Say what? When? Where?

[hexed trail]

Actually why can't ratlings be the result of inbreeding. The most important abhuman the navigator in the imperium are highly inbred due to their genetics not coming out top when breeding with regular humans

[storm jungle]

Because thats not how abhumans work

they are mutated strains of humans that only breed with each other

inbreeding is doing it with relatives which makes no sense lol

[storm jungle]

Era of Ruin

Diocletian mentions them as hes going inside the throne room

so like a month old news wise

[dapper gyro]

Oh no, secret man harem...

[storm jungle]

its for mourning as per old lore

which is a nice callback albeit funny

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[hexed trail]

So inbreeding reinforces traits in humans just like it does with dogs and given enough time your genetics makeup would look completely different from a regular human

[sharp pollen]

are nulls more rare than psykers

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[sharp pollen]

how much rare

[hexed trail]

What are nulls again

[sharp pollen]

huw rarer

[dapper gyro]

However, most nulls are just introvert people and they go undetected.

[sharp pollen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/283984194382725124/1206581043553894400/toughlife.gif

[arctic talon]

blanks, anti soul

make psykers hurt

[sharp pollen]

oh btw can animals be psykers or nulls

[arctic talon]

Psykers yes

[dapper gyro]

I don't remember the sauce, so I won't say stupid things.

[sharp pollen]

sick

[arctic talon]

Nulls have been observed in no species so far aside from humanity excluding species that are entirely nulls

[storm jungle]

Navigators inbreeding has been a thing in lore that hasnt been changed in 30 years and has mostly to do with their powers and more specified genes due to their murky origin in the golden age of humanity and onwards

ratling inbreeding im 99% sure was just a joke in rogue trader against welsh people or some shit since ratlings are just hobbits who are also based on welsh people where brits just make fun of them for fucking cousins or farm animals which is uh 💀

[arctic talon]

Birmingham

[plush mason]

not just psykers, though none psykers wont feel nearly as bad when around them, they will give people a deep sense of unease/disgust iirc

[hexed trail]

Oh high level blanks yeah they are ultra rare

[arctic talon]

Blanks in general are very rare

tbh

compared to psykers

[storm jungle]

the number was like

1 in a billion i think?

[arctic talon]

I don't remember the source

so I don't wana say anything definitive

[dapper gyro]

Ratling has no need to preserve their gene for power. For Nagivators, it is the be all end all thing for them.

[plush mason]

no wonder there was like less than 20 psy titan prencepts

[dapper gyro]

Therefore Navigator has a robust gene selection...

[plush mason]

as those had to also be blanks

[dapper gyro]

Which is a satire on the royalties.

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

[dapper gyro]

I was thinking of 1 blank every 100 or 1000 psykers. But then again, I have no sauce!!!

[hexed trail]

Blanks while don't appear abhuman often suffer similar fates because normal people often feel unnatural or uncomfortable around them do to a number of reasons

[storm jungle]

the reason is them lacking a soul creating a negative aura

thats it really

[arctic talon]

Anti soul

GW seems to have gone with the anti soul thing in more recent stuff

[hexed trail]

Also with them appearing human and not melting people by accident also probably causes them to not be outright noticed by people

[plush mason]

lets face it, many worlds in the imperium are likely full of people that will cry mutant at the sight of a odd mole/birthmark

[green loom]

Prolly some sort of negative charge deal like with blackstone

[dapper gyro]

Power from hyper space instead of anti space. /J

[arctic talon]

There’s worlds that kill you for being gay still so yes

thank you warhammer crime

[storm jungle]

tbh its not that hard to believe

idk why people think bigotry for gay people would go away in the future

[arctic talon]

Because skin color bigotry isn’t a thing as much in 40k ig lol

[dapper gyro]

3rd sex when?

[arctic talon]

When GW adds a new xenos

[storm jungle]

I mean it isnt because its too close to real life unfortunately

[plush mason]

biogtry is as natural to humans as sucking air so yeah i doubt it will ever go away

[dapper gyro]

But Ultramarine can only be white!!!!!!!!!!

[storm jungle]

it 100% would still be a thing

[arctic talon]

Stub toe now

[dapper gyro]

Nah

[hexed trail]

But high level blanks do get noticed as they physically hurt others to be around for most people and outright torture to anyone semi warp attuned

[languid meadow]

my UBERMENSCH

[storm jungle]

hating queer people also kinda goes deeper because we live in a largely enforced heterosexual/patriarchal society so its very much ingrained into our minds to some degree that humans should only be coupled between men/women.

[dapper gyro]

Still using chat gpt?

Dilara, send this guy to Lexi.

[storm jungle]

[hexed trail]

Okay hurt might be an exaggeration but it's not comfortable for a regular human at all

[plush mason]

yeah

[dapper gyro]

Well, they do hurt at some point. I only comment on how you just copy paste stuff...

[plush mason]

even a custodian felt unease when the psy titan pilot walked into the meeting room during the seige of terra

but again that was an insane example of a blank

[hexed trail]

Like people don't realise they can feel their souls until they meet a proper high level blank but when they do meet one they will suddenly feel their soul being oppressed

[dapper gyro]

Strong blank can kill psykersb and lesser deamons for merely standing around without suppressing their power.

[plush mason]

yup

[plush mason]

pariah nexus moment

[arctic talon]

the culexus assassin bit from the pariah nexus lore stuff

in 9e was funny

when he realizes "oh this is what it feels like"

[opaque coyote]

Probably because there's actual aliens to hate

Why look at somebody with a different skin color to scapegoat when there's actual robot terminators that shoot disintegration lasers

[dapper gyro]

If alien, why looks hot?

[plush mason]

the thing is that doesnt work unless the aliens are next door

othering people only works when the target is visible and local enough to pass as an immediate threat

[storm jungle]

I mean

hating and being suspicious of your common/fellow man is encouraged in the Imperium

so that kinda falls flat

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

when theres no enemies to hate a enclosed populace will turn on each other

[opaque coyote]

Fair

Also Mutants. They're common enough

[hexed trail]

Maybe with nobles on rich planets but generally people don't look great at all among the lower levels of society

[opaque coyote]

Then again, mutants are less racism and more ableism

[plush mason]

and the leaders of said populace will fan the flames as such division as it maes controlling the masses easy

[opaque coyote]

Racism doesn't make sense anyways

[plush mason]

its not supose too, its just a cultural thing made to control people

[hexed trail]

Like mutants can go unnoticed completely until they run into people who actually get medical care

[plush mason]

you dont think about it you just follow along because its the norm

[storm jungle]

^

its just hating something you find strange

at its core its being afraid of the unknown

even if every person in the world looked the exact same we'd find a reason to hate each other, its essentially human nature lol

[plush mason]

a core part of human civilization is finding ways to turn that fear of the unknown into a useable tool

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

its a sad and fucked up subject its why 40k never explores human-on-human racism.

[vagrant fox]

Yeah back home if just two families lived in a valley they'd be feuding for no real reason until very recently

[hexed trail]

Look the imperium hating mutants is semi justified as often mutants are caused by chaos and if left alone can become quite the issue if suddenly they are possessed or listen to the voices in their heads

[storm jungle]

Its not justified

it turns actual innocent mutants into radicalism

and as ever makes the situation worse

[dapper gyro]

Abhumen are right there...

[storm jungle]

Nothing the Imperium does is justified, thats the joke lol

[languid meadow]

fear and hate of mutants isn't really justified while fear of psykers... yeah kind of?

[storm jungle]

The problem with psykers is more serious yeah

the issue is they are also oppressed even when they are taught their abilities

and they got their wants and needs like any person

[dapper gyro]

Psykers are walking bombs...

[languid meadow]

it's the stupid fucking Mutant oppression in marvel/mage oppression in DA shit all over again

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

[dapper gyro]

Even if they don't want to trigger it, most don't even know how their power works.

The hate to psyker is literal fear as well.

[storm jungle]

Marvel is the funniest one tho imo

"Mutants are dangerous! They can wipe out entire nations!"

Meanwhile the humble Dr. Hoom a totally normal human about to wipe out the human race 🗿

https://tenor.com/view/only-doom-animated-villain-gif-10411972

[languid meadow]

Yeah idk marvel does the whole mutant thing weirdly

[plush mason]

here in the states we have the Hatfields and the McCrorys, a prime example of how even small disputes can become a big problem with generational entrenchment and institutionalization, by the time the feud was ended nether family knew how it started or why

[vagrant fox]

What's that one short story where a ship docks and some extra pale voidfarers step out and get killed for being too pale or something and the law keepers essentially just shrug and says sucks to be them

[opaque coyote]

How dare you misspell Dr. Dook's name. Ten years in- oh shit no WAWAWAI-

[dapper gyro]

Dr. Hoom? Dr. Hoommie?

[storm jungle]

its from Crime lmao

probably the closest you'll get to human racism in 40k

but even it can kinda fall to "mutant" subject

[vagrant fox]

That's what it was, couldn't recall it at all

[hexed trail]

Abhumans are stable genes. Mutants are legit genetic nightmares often spurred on from warp corruption

[storm jungle]

I mean no

[languid meadow]

like of course people are gonna be afraid of mutants when their most powerful ones can fucking destroy the earth on a whim. Of course not all mutants have those powers, but like giving your oppressed minority group that symbolizes real life groups the ability to kill hundred of thousands of people.

like cmon

[storm jungle]

mutants are spurred from anything

mostly shit the Imperium does on its own planets

we got mutants today, do you think they should get killed lol

[dapper gyro]

Chat gpt again?

[arctic talon]

me when I'm a mutant(I have fused fingers)

[storm jungle]

god i just remembered

[arctic talon]

actual example from a 40k book

lol

[storm jungle]

we literally did do "mutant cleansing" IRL

so like

💀

[arctic talon]

the dude is just a normal human but he has fingers that are stuck together

[plush mason]

oh its more than that, the Strykers exist after all

[hexed trail]

Navigator are more mutant than abhuman but get away with it because they can see into the warp and help steer the ship

[dapper gyro]

1930 Germany

[arctic talon]

well more specifically he had his index, middle and ring fingers stuck together

iirc

[storm jungle]

yep and many other moments in history

[arctic talon]

its the kasrkin from fall of cadia

he only doesn't get killed bcs his parents are high ranking

[vagrant fox]

It's how it goes, it's half myth but there's a story about two groups fighting over who got to build a church and a bunch of people got killed for it. Just some weird no we're better pride thing

[arctic talon]

he's also crazy but thats just because he's cadian

[dapper gyro]

1950 Soviet and China. Glorious.

[plush mason]

bunch of mutant hating religious nutjobs lead by a hypocrite preacher that uses alien tech to promote human supremacy lol

[arctic talon]

his whole insane downwards spiral

in the later half of the fall of cadia books is hilarious

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah lest we forget

[arctic talon]

the whole "i'm gona be the one to kill abbadon" thing

[storm jungle]

the ruler of humanity is literally a psyker

lol

[arctic talon]

lol

But yeah the dude fucking dies horribly

[storm jungle]

Also like

[arctic talon]

he gets like cut in half by abbadon lol

[storm jungle]

Big E also almost wipes out humanity with the Dark King incident

[vagrant fox]

Glave is very funny, he really thought he was the shit

[storm jungle]

so not even hes stable

[arctic talon]

which as far as ways to die go could be worse

oh he's great lol

Tbh you can see how he'd get to that point

with how things go for him in the book

Bro smokes like 20+ marines, his whole squad dies

[dapper gyro]

Marines are also mutants because most of the geneseeds are not stable.

[arctic talon]

he's the only survivor, he gets assigned to defend creed from abbadon

lol

[arctic talon]

Tbh if he kicks the bucket now it might still happen lol

Considering the giant warp rift thats gona be a second eye of terror

is being held shut via the webway gate

[hexed trail]

Technically yes. Like if your gene seed gets too bad there is a non zero chance the inquisition purges your chapter

[languid meadow]

idk how to forumulate my words about my hate for the whole psyker/DA mages thing

it makes me sound insane

[storm jungle]

its not even technically tho

they are mutated human beings with extra organs and shit

and there have been documented cases of them overmutating and becoming monsters lol

[hexed trail]

Talking imperium definition

[arctic talon]

Me when 21st

Yeah the 21st founding marines

have marines considered mutants

theres something wrong with the entire batch

[dapper gyro]

13rd and 21st

[arctic talon]

the whole devolving into a chaos spawn like creature

issue

[hexed trail]

Yeah the 21st was just the bad luck batch

The lemons got it bad

[arctic talon]

who knows what the fuck the mechanicus was doing for the 21st and 13th founding lol

[dapper gyro]

Still, even the stable ones are mutant.

If Gland warriors are not human, neither are marines.

[arctic talon]

marines are def abhumans/mutants

tbh

[dapper gyro]

Gland warriors are born human as well.

[hexed trail]

Probably found some geneseed from the Horus heresy in a dirty storage area but didn't confirm whether or not it was tainted by chaos

[vagrant fox]

I don't know how you make geneseed that makes someone spontaneously combust out of nowhere

pretty cool though

[hexed trail]

Chaos/warp corruption in acceptable levels

Sometimes it can also be from chapter practices

Like the exorcists chapter which put demons into the new space marines of the core chapter

Just to exocise them

And that somehow makes them immune/ invisible to Daemons

[plush mason]

it makes them immune to possession

can still be fucked up by daemons in other ways

[arctic talon]

mfw bloodletter stabs me

[hexed trail]

Yeah but they have to apparently higher level ones to be able to sense them

[dapper gyro]

Remember that despite so much insane lore shit, those marines are not that much stronger than any other marines.

[hexed trail]

Like it lets them bypass daemon Spidey sense

[opaque coyote]

A part of me wishes that real racism was in 40k just so that the Black Templars match their fans

[dapper gyro]

Not even the Minotaur, without mastercrafted gear from Earth would do anything more significant than other marines.

[opaque coyote]

Well most of their fans

[dapper gyro]

Oh shit, my brother and I have 13rd and 21st for birthdays... No wonder.

[hexed trail]

Aren't minotaurs stated to often go and dunk on other marines just to be dicks

[plush mason]

they deloy at full chapter strength afaik

so they always has a numerical advantage

[dapper gyro]

Because they work under the High lords of Terra. Nevertheless, they only fight when the other chapters are down 50% strength.

[hexed trail]

Would you guys consider Grey knights space marines or does being emperor gene seed make you something else

[dapper gyro]

They can't really fight head on.

[plush mason]

they are space marines

just with some extra stuff

[dapper gyro]

If you get a team of DW librarials, they can fight as good as a GK team.

[plush mason]

they are all post human super soldiers after all

[dapper gyro]

The only thing going for them is cleaner seeds and being psykers.

[hexed trail]

And bigger better suits

[dapper gyro]

Bigger? Nah. Better? Kind of. Look cool? Yes.

[plush mason]

the suit isnt the thing that sets the GK apart tbf

its the agies

[arctic talon]

The minotaurs work for the High Lord of the administratum specifically and in the past whenever he wanted something resolved he'd send them

the new one does the same

she uses them to persuade people and resolve conflicts between marine chapters

[plush mason]

how long as the imperial senate been a thing anyway? was it around when the emperor was still up and walking?

[hexed trail]

Who do the minotaurs hail from

[storm jungle]

Unofficially iron warriors

[hexed trail]

Basically set up shop as soon as big e become preoccupied

[storm jungle]

its what their original designer said in an interview when asked, but this hasnt been presented in official lore

[hexed trail]

They were originally the logistics team for Big E but were corrupted by greed and miss placed faith

If the loyalists primarchs weren't conveniently lost they would have taken over

[dapper gyro]

A Minotaur wanker, a BT wanker and a GK wanker walk to the bar...

[arctic talon]

Statistically speaking Minotaurs are UM descendent. Out of universe an interview with their original designer said IW but this has never been said anywhere in universe

[rose thorn]

Hey anyone know of any artists who do wahemmer taking coms that don’t just draw space marines or minors

The struggle has been real

[dapper gyro]

Damn artists. But minors sell, I guess?

[storm jungle]

@green loom

[dapper gyro]

Considering how uncommon 40K commission is.

[vagrant fox]

should be plenny

[rose thorn]

I need AOS comission

And considers all 3 AOS artists I’ve found haven’t been online in 3 years

[dapper gyro]

What if you then find out? /s

[rose thorn]

Ederiusssss

I would ahve asked him but I haven’t seen him in a minute

But I saw you typing

[storm jungle]

:)

also another thing

can also go to twitter and type in the searchbar "commissions open" and search some artists there

theres plenty of cringe but also some really good artists for cheap prices

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

there he is

[green loom]

Berseria is also good

[arctic talon]

Tbh non specific warhammer artists can also do it

As long as they have reference material

[rose thorn]

Yeah I typed ‘commission open warhammer’ and it was pretty bad (morally$

[green loom]

For warhams fantasy/AOS you can get away with DND/warcraft artists too

[arctic talon]

Don’t need the warhammer part

Tbh

Yeah that also

[rose thorn]

Shit good point

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres some cheap ones out there

[arctic talon]

AoS is ultimately high fantasy

It’s very unique high fantasy

[green loom]

I just did an Idoneth comm

[rose thorn]

I was trying to find someone who’s done centaurs before

[arctic talon]

Oh that’s easyish

Look for dnd and pathfinder comms

[dapper gyro]

Fiverr?

[arctic talon]

Pathfinder esp

[green loom]

Hit or miss

[arctic talon]

Since centaurs are more common

Imo

[green loom]

Like I can probably do it atp

But shopping around isn't a bad idea

[dapper gyro]

Just careful with all of the AI "artists".

[arctic talon]

Yeah that

Well the upside is

Ai sucks

[green loom]

I can probably dig around for some recommendations too

[arctic talon]

At warhammer 40k and AoS

At least from all the slop I’ve seen

The aesthetic is too unique for both

Ironically

[green loom]

You can kinda make it work especially if you can touch things up but there's only like, a TINY niche of anime style artists who do that

[dapper gyro]

No, they are getting better.

Some of them are pretty crazy close

[green loom]

The vast majority at that point will just make it on their own

[arctic talon]

Tbh touch ups are different from complete generation from nothing

[dapper gyro]

And look better than the clean and shiny art of modern GW.

[arctic talon]

That’s very generalizing

[green loom]

Idk most of the models rn have pretty dog ass styles

[arctic talon]

Of modern GW art lol

[dapper gyro]

My bad

[arctic talon]

Also yeah I’ve not seen anything close

Tbh

Something always looks super off

But I don’t look for AI slop

I need to deal with LLMs enough

When it comes to my field of study

[green loom]

There's like....the big stable diffusion or openai one or whatever that made so much ghibli stuff it's literally burned into it permanently

So everything it makes is this weird realistic ghibli style

[rose thorn]

I don’t have money nowww but later I will, I just don’t want to end up with someone not use to deer/gazelle anatomy and make it weird

No fault to them obvi

[green loom]

Just pop me some details and I'll look into some guys next week

[arctic talon]

AI piss filter

lol

[green loom]

Literally

[rose thorn]

The is the species

It’s mostly just this with some stuff

I’m planning the kitbash

So I can have my oc in model and art

My com ref sheet is a mess

Idk if u want me to send it

i cooked but the kitchen is a mess

[rose thorn]

look up comissions open
check account
nazi oc art

thanks twitter

[storm jungle]

KEEP DIGGING

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

i probablyhsoudlnt be objectifying artists like this

[green loom]

Do

[outer wave]

Bluesky might also be a decent option to check for artists

[green loom]

I prefer bsky

[rose thorn]

great point

[green loom]

Warhammer Twitter it's impossible to take 1 step without bumping into a neo nazi

[rose thorn]

i just like twitter because its full of insane people to laugh at

[outer wave]

Yeah alot more of those in twitter than Bluesky

[vagrant fox]

tumblr has a lot of artists hanging out as well, but a bunch of them are also nutty

[sly ivy]

Tumblr still exists

Who knew

Wait I was under the impression Bluesky was psycho enriched not that Twitter lacks them

Also a bit surprised it still exists tbh what was the other one Mastodon or Mammoth or something

[storm jungle]

internet be like

[insert site here] is filled with degenerates

he/she says, from a site filled with degenerates

♻️

[sly ivy]

Only this discord channel is filled with based upstanding patriots

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-serious-jay-bauman-half-in-the-bag-break-the4th-wall-look-at-the-camera-gif-17253460

[outer wave]

Which site isnt full of degenerates at this point?

[sly ivy]

I just answered that

[sharp pollen]

#40k-lore-chat is filled with degenerates

[sly ivy]

my basedness cancels out all u peoples degeneracy

[sharp pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smiling-propeller-hat-gif-11748068

[vagrant fox]

Weirdly tolerable website after the gooner exodus when porn was banned
Still full of weirdass people

[sly ivy]

Idk whether I’d feel comfortable in a place that exiled my kind

[vagrant fox]

You should join the puritan side, I was richly rewarded for sniffing out the remaining goon dens

[rocky gale]

Bewarned, the UK just banned gooning

[sly ivy]

Goddamn that’s a lotta stiff upper lip

[rocky gale]

Yea, to make people safer online you now have to send your ID to sketchy online websites in order to access them

[proven needle]

You say that like patriot is a compliment.

[sly ivy]

Me after a long night of providing my ID

[sly ivy]

It is unless ur not American but even then loving America counts

[sharp pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-women-muscle-girl-bodymorph-gif-25200958

average Goliath from Munda

[sly ivy]

Based

Fromunda wat

[sharp pollen]

||Negromunda||

[sly ivy]

Lmfao bro playin w fire

[green loom]

Twitter users would say that on the neo nazi hellsite lmao

Bsky is pretty tame

[storm jungle]

Can you not lol

[sly ivy]

“Hellsite” mostly Twitter gives me nerdy science stuff weird philosophical postrat stuff and my enormous stable of celebrity rescue cats

[storm jungle]

Its absolutely a dogshit hellsite

[green loom]

Warhammer people on the site are so horrid

[storm jungle]

lmao that too

literally one step and you plunge into a nazi account with a space marine/primarch pfp

[green loom]

Even if it's like a tame wholesome artist they'll just be interacting with someone who hates brown people or something

[storm jungle]

bohemond moment

[tough haven]

@storm jungle I need some unique tech priest art for inspiration

Pretty please

With a cherry on top

[green loom]

The Meme accounts aren't even meme accounts, they're just nazis

[sly ivy]

Great site. @feederofcats highly recommended

[storm jungle]

yeet

[storm jungle]

🫡

[sly ivy]

Excellent site

[tough haven]

I gotta describe a gaggle of tech priests about to have a doctrinal debate

Like xenarites, moderates, dogmatics, biologis

The whole enchilada

[round tartan]

You're NOT a patriot?

[green loom]

Not a lot of reasons to be one generally

[storm jungle]

Correct

[green loom]

Freaky

[storm jungle]

🫡

[round tartan]

Well I suppose? If you only limit yourself to one country. But consider Holy Terra as your country, it's easy to feel patriotic.

[sly ivy]

Sorry ur not American

[arctic talon]

Oh also I think you’d like this @storm jungle

[storm jungle]

Thank god for that tbh

[proven needle]

You should be concerned.

[storm jungle]

Bless 🙏

[arctic talon]

From the new heresy marine rulebook

lol

[sly ivy]

Based

[green loom]

I've got enough war criminals ty

[sly ivy]

Not American ones smdh

[arctic talon]

Ngl I wish GW would do the FW thing

With the edited minis for art

It’s like really cool lol

Even if sometimes it’s silly

It’s silly in a cool way

[storm jungle]

I miss the Black Books

[arctic talon]

Who doesn’t

I miss Alan Bligh

[storm jungle]

Same

[round tartan]

sorry but I'm not americ*n. I don't give a shit about what happens there

[sharp pollen]

www... what color?...

alright

[tough haven]

Fuck tech priests are so cool, I love admech!!!

[sharp pollen]

the more its to the night the more my brain becomes Chaos inflicted

[tough haven]

Didn’t you have some neat tech priest concept art you made of a biologis Dilara?

[arctic talon]

They got called the black books because they were big black rulebooks with a number on them

Until they added art on them

lol

[sharp pollen]

i missed what these books about

[proven needle]

Why apologize?

[storm jungle]

Tavi i forgot are you russian

[sharp pollen]

i am

[arctic talon]

Better job telling the heresy then the heresy novels

Lol

[storm jungle]

Alright that explains some things lol

[arctic talon]

I’m not joking when I say this

But the black books are objectively better

At giving you info about the heresy

[storm jungle]

they are tbh

[sharp pollen]

2-3 months ago i saw a black man walking by in front of my house, pretty unusual

[round tartan]

Sorry for not being sorry. Do I need to spell everything out for you?

[sly ivy]

Russian moment

[sly ivy]

U shud b sorry 4 that

[sharp pollen]

people of color are quite rare here in NOT Moscow

[sly ivy]

What… what the dog doin

[tough haven]

The machine god’s work

[sly ivy]

😳 🙈

[sharp pollen]

and bad words to black people are usually can be heard from old folks

anyway

https://tenor.com/view/venom-snake-mgs-mgs-5-mgs-v-big-boss-gif-9172369406755184131

i think the degree of racism and gay jokes should be lowered

a bit to much was today

[sly ivy]

Russians are based bc they were literally barbarian tribes like 200 years ago after everyone else had gotten tired of the drinking ur enemy’s blood from his skull thing like 1300 years before that

[green loom]

My parents have worked with the local romani for years/went to their weddings but they still like call them slurs in hushed voices, it's pretty bad

[sly ivy]

Ok Romani don’t do themselves a lot of favors re reputation tho like 70% have a criminal record lmao

Not that they should have been shat on so much that sucks

[sharp pollen]

i like my ignorance

i dont know what balkans and other slavs are known for

[sly ivy]

Starting world wars

[sharp pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-gif-4521744732874144544

[sly ivy]

To his credit Nicholas II was like massively hesitant about doing wwi

And then he was right bc he fucked it up like personally lmao

[sharp pollen]

i like my ignorance
i dont know what idiots in power in history did

[sly ivy]

Based

Perfect 40K citizen

[proven needle]

You started funny and then made it awkward.

[round tartan]

WW1 was fucked
there were people cheering for it
in towns in streets people were glad it kicked off

[rose thorn]

oh god america mentioned in the lore channel, this wont end well

[rocky gale]

Yea it's a fucked time in history, like years leading up to it poeple knew a massive war was coming and were celebrating it.

[raven stone]

Mostly because for some odd reason everyone in Europe was still having a Napoleonic era mindset

[round tartan]

that's a thing that happens with me

[raven stone]

Despite the massive changes in technology.

[sly ivy]

So fucked

[rocky gale]

Like it was common for Germans to toast "Der Tag" meaning The Day and in reference to the day the war starts

[raven stone]

Fascinating

I only know Nov 11 was considered the big end

[sly ivy]

🇺🇸 🦅 🍔

[round tartan]

People really thought it would be the war that ends all wars

[rocky gale]

Because they knew there would have to be a Naval showdown between the UK and Germany and they were looking forward to it.

[raven stone]

To the point WW1 is still the explicit holder of “The War”

[sly ivy]

Rip

[raven stone]

Weirdly this…ended up being the side show

With the main thing in the trenches.

[rocky gale]

The trenches were the main aspect of the war, but the Naval rivalry was a major aspect of it's cause

[raven stone]

Ye, true

[rocky gale]

Britain feared that Germany would overtake it's Naval supremacy

and Ironically the German Kaiser didn't see it that way, he thought "I'll have a super strong Navy and Britain will have a super strong navy and we'll both be friends with our big Navys"

Unfortunately no one else saw it that way

[raven stone]

Eeyup, poor communication and power driven analysis

Not helped by the fact that UK’s empire…well, explicitly needs naval domination to work

Since UK is…you know, an island

[rocky gale]

There was also an incident where Wilhelm showed up to a British naval gathering with a shiny new German Battleship, expecting everyone to go "Oh wow Willy old chap, what a swell boat you've got there"

[raven stone]

Lol.
Everyone instead read it as “oh shit”

[rocky gale]

The Brits took it as a threat

Wilhelm II is actually quite a sad read with how he misread things, so many of his decisions were him trying to be more like his British and Russian cousins to try and befriend them, not realising that he was just going to offend them.

[sly ivy]

The whole thing was shockingly senseless my god

Unlike 40K war which is based & good 🫡

On the bright side it gave us Battlefield 1 which is a hell of a game

[raven stone]

And to think the thing that kicked it off was a minor prince being assassinated

[languid meadow]

I wouldn't call Ferdinand a "minor prince"

He was heir to the Austro-Hungarian empire

[raven stone]

…oh right.
Man my brain is certainly malfunctioning tonight.

[vagrant fox]

Austria Hungary was borderline completely irrelevant tho I agree

[languid meadow]

still considered a great power at the time even if it was an ailing one

[rose thorn]

hey is there any fantasy gaems and stuff that had moon/moon themed music? i wanan listen to stuff themed around my oc but i dont want ai slop lmao

[storm jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLld_K5l7cAV6JZb7BkHHLZ-kQr6WjXWUw

[rose thorn]

ive listened to this song so much lmao

[storm jungle]

oh whoops

there we go lol

[bright yew]

I was going to ask something 😔

[storm jungle]

[bright yew]

When does sm2 take place in m42?

[rose thorn]

thank uuu

[bright yew]

I tried to search a m42 timeline and I didn’t found anything
The only thing I know is that the Indomitus crusade was retconned to 12 years

[storm jungle]

Early 42nd millennium around the 4th Tyrannic War

also here

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Timeline

No concrete date alas just a rough one

[bright yew]

Thanks

[storm jungle]

Happy to help

[bright yew]

So it can be 12 years after, 19 years and so on with all the warp shit right?

[storm jungle]

yeah the Warp is always used as an excuse for timejumps when emerging out etc

[bright yew]

I guess that pariah nexus doesnt have an exact date too

[storm jungle]

Yea you can see it above the red one I outlined

its kept vague for the sake of the writers mostly

the timeline is a clusterfuck

[bright yew]

[storm jungle]

What do you want to know it for exactly?

[bright yew]

5 of my ocs are 19-20 yo and they were born before and after the great rift

I wanted to wrote that 2 of them fought in the recidious campaign and 2 fought in the pariah nexus

[storm jungle]

Yeah I guessed as much

warp time dilation are your friend my good man

its THE most basic writing tool for explaining how some characters in 40k are around so long lol

[arctic talon]

Rejuve

And time dilation

We’re only like

20 years max into indomitus

[bright yew]

The warp shit has saved me xd

[arctic talon]

Tbf being stuck in the pariah nexus is unenviable lol

Welcome to hell

[storm jungle]

Yea like for example I got a huge Inquisition warband cast and I explain how they dont age by having it so that the system their conclave-fortress is situated in has some paranormal warp effect where time slows down in its planetray system due to some nearby nebula

bullshitting is the name of the game

[arctic talon]

They only age when mercury is in retrograde

[bright yew]

I see

[arctic talon]

This is why I exclusively write homebrew for factions who don’t need to care about age/j

Actually no that’s just true

💀

Fuck

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in4k-4k-camera-caught-sus-gif-20846600

[bright yew]

The og variants of my ocs are like 19-20 yo (some of them) so I decided to make every variant the same age to keep consistency

[storm jungle]

yeah that'll do it

[arctic talon]

Admech, and craftworld eldar

[rose thorn]

ah nice

[arctic talon]

Who needs to care about aging

[rose thorn]

but but but, space marines live for hundreds of years!

[arctic talon]

That also applies

Tbh

The mechanicus can actually age to death it just takes a long time

Same with eldar

[arctic talon]

Neat

[bright yew]

So before that I tried to make my research to see if they can fit or if I had to make some changes to their age or add warp shit if possible

[rose thorn]

lmao

[bright yew]

Now I have to investigate how old you have to be to become a stormtrooper (scion, kasrkin, grenadier) and a celestian battle sister

[dapper gyro]

For scion as soon as 20s, most of them are already pre-selected from young age.

For sub elite, about 25-30s, when they had a few years of experience.

[bright yew]

If I remember correctly with the kasrkins you had to be either a super veteran or a outstanding whitehsield

[dapper gyro]

It doesn't take long lol.

[bright yew]

Lol

[dapper gyro]

Also you want those guys at peak fitness, which is around 25-35 years old, with 30-35 is the best of experience and fitness.

[bright yew]

With the Krieg grenadier the only requirement is
Survive the battle

[dapper gyro]

If you join at 17-18, then 5 years of warfare you are pretty much a hardened veteran.

In real life, even 3 years of combat experience you are pretty much top 10%.

[bright yew]

And with the sisters?

[dapper gyro]

Same thing

For all normal humans

Except arbites, they are more of admin than combat though.

[bright yew]

I want to make them relatively “new”

Like they got just promoted some months ago or got out of training

[dapper gyro]

New in term of elite new or recruit new?

[bright yew]

In terms of elite

[dapper gyro]

For scion, they are younger, so while they have more training, they might not have as much on the field experience as a guard veteran elite.

[bright yew]

They survived long enough as common troops or the harsh environment of the schola but they still have to survive even worse horrors

[bright yew]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Genuine question for y'all that isn't related to 40k specifically

Does anybody actually put an age to their OC's?

Like a number age?

I don't really

[bright yew]

Yup

[opaque coyote]

I just generally do like

"Teenager"

"Young Adult"

"Old Man/Woman"

[bright yew]

It’s mostly because I want to keep consistency with the dates

[opaque coyote]

Fair

[arctic talon]

They go through stormtrooper training and it’s also not just one battle(sometimes)

The draft them from veterans

🤓

[bright yew]

[dapper gyro]

Non Scion are all veterans, which mean more than 1 battle.

By the time they hit veteran scion and veteran elite guardsman, there is not much different between them.

[bright yew]

I see

[dapper gyro]

There is Aquilon (airborne) Scion, they are trained more, but not that much. They are the elite stand in for the Tahnelian, Harakoni and Elysian.

[bright yew]

My scion is a aquilon

Btw
How long you have to be a repentia until you return with the sisters?

In the case that you don’t die and survive every single battle

[dapper gyro]

When you are deemed worthy... so whenever they want...

[opaque coyote]

I honestly had the idea of a Krieger OC. If only because the general idea is fascinating.

The problem is that keeping a revolver from an enemy's corpse is probably against their usual MO

Because I kinda had the idea of him having a Stub Revolver for backup.

[bright yew]

So it could be the first battle, days or several years?

[opaque coyote]

Also because revolvers are cool

[dapper gyro]

Yes

Several years would be impressive that she survived and still not forgiven...

[bright yew]

Maybe the superior didn’t like her

[arctic talon]

Many such cases

Though the living part is harder

[bright yew]

[arctic talon]

Being a repentia means being used in suicide attacks often

The whole point is to die for repentance generally

[opaque coyote]

Can a Repentia be forgiven without uh

Fucking dying

Like is it possible

[arctic talon]

Sometimes

[dapper gyro]

Also, you can have sister in "light" carapace power armour. Hospitallier is way too under presented.

[arctic talon]

But death usually claims them before that sort of forgiveness

[opaque coyote]

Tbf that's because I think it depends on where they are?

They also do wear power armor at times

[arctic talon]

Celestine got shot in the throat and bled out in a ditch the first time she died

[dapper gyro]

Glory and killing are great, but moral support is as important.

[arctic talon]

Which seems to be about how it goes for repentia often

[opaque coyote]

I always find the idea of like

A Repentia, Krieger, and a Slayer go into a battlefield.

They all survive and they're severely disappointed

[arctic talon]

Well a lot of repentia deep down don’t want to die

Tbh

Just like most people lol

[opaque coyote]

Fair. I think some Repentia are there as a punishment

They just happened to be lucky enough to not be put in the torture mechas

[dapper gyro]

Some? Most*

[arctic talon]

It’s like almost all of them

[opaque coyote]

Well as a punishment that they don't want.

Some definitely joined similar to why Flagellants whip themselves.

[bright yew]

One of my sister ocs (Ryo) became one at her early 18s because she wanted to follow the same steps as celestine, she insisted and insisted until she became one

It wasn’t fun and when she returned after some days she passed from being joyful and very naive to cynical and cold

[dapper gyro]

Having a story with a hospitaller would be way more nice than having repentia, which I think is way overused.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly had an idea of a Sister that really wanted to be a Rememberancer.

But she became a Hospitaller instead.

And somehow she has the best worst luck. She is also constantly one step away from shitting herself in fear.

"WHY? WHY COULDN'T I JUST DRAW PICTUREEESSS AAA-"

[bright yew]

The other one (Jessie) just punched her superior and turned into one for several months as punishment
She was forgiven because ryo insisted

[opaque coyote]

[opaque coyote]

Doomguy ahh backstory

[dapper gyro]

My first day in my military career, one of the dude punched a superior...

[opaque coyote]

Oh no

[dapper gyro]

He is a nice and smart guy though, but he was young back then.

[opaque coyote]

Ngl if I ever get drafted.

I will either be rejected

Or