40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

ben counter rules

[cyan merlin]

Oh yeah I’m going to get super irritated with writer inconsistency aren’t I

[crystal forum]

only if you read the horus heresy

DO NOT

[cyan merlin]

“200mm is super thick for tank armor!”
The M1 abrams:

[crystal forum]

nah books rarely get into those details

[rose thorn]

“Who the fuck wrote this trash-“

souldrinkers
Yeah that’s soul drinkers

[crystal forum]

my fav series

[rose thorn]

Oh sorry

[cyan merlin]

I like the finer lore details
I love how tank crews in 40k gave a lot of the same complaints tank crews had in. WW1 because the tanks in 40k are BASED on WW1 tanks

[crystal forum]

no i get it

[rose thorn]

Someone suggest soul drinkers as one of my first warhammer books after xenos

[crystal forum]

did you read it tho

[rose thorn]

Like

[cyan merlin]

Souldrinkers might end up being my first book

[rocky gale]

Hey new guy, read Outgunned

[rose thorn]

2 chapters

[cyan merlin]

Oop

[rose thorn]

YESS

[cyan merlin]

Understood o7

[rose thorn]

OUTGUNNED ROCKS

[crystal forum]

did you like it

[rose thorn]

No

[crystal forum]

aw why

[cyan merlin]

Anyway time for me to get ready for work
Good odds I’ll be able to pop in from time to time but, for the most part I’m vanish for today

[crystal forum]

it's the single craziest space marine book i have read

it's a whole adventure to read the omnibus

[cyan merlin]

I will beg you for 3D printing files later
I so so badly want to paint miniatures again

[crystal forum]

sure man i got most of the guard range

[rose thorn]

Thsi was years ago but I Hayes everyone lmao

[rocky gale]

Here's the reading order for the Von Shard novels

[rose thorn]

Peak

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/araragi-karen-araragi-bakemonogatari-eye-hypnosis-gif-1998619128571573535

Read them

[crystal forum]

that's way more outgunned books than i thought

[dapper gyro]

A lot of weaponry in 40K are underwhelming even by today's standard.

[crystal forum]

i'm finishing kingmaker then i'll check if these have audio, queen

[rose thorn]

@cyan merlin hey new guy also I highly highly suggest checking out AOS. No pressure to get models but pls look at them

[cyan merlin]

I will
I wanted to be more involved with warhammer for a while

[crystal forum]

i will only share models if you promise not to play aos

[rose thorn]

AOS is probably the best setting I’ve ever read and the funnest games I’ve ever played

[rocky gale]

You monster

[crystal forum]

i will not lose another potential guard fan

[rose thorn]

Trust me guard fans will quit by their first kit or be too invested

You have nothing to fear

[rocky gale]

You would deny them the joy of superior models that aren't Space Marines

[arctic talon]

LOL

50/50

If GW doesn’t give me a new sylvaneth unit this edition

Im overgrowing their HQ

No more heros!!!!!

I want an actual unit

[rocky gale]

Too bad

You get single character unit

[rose thorn]

Deer are this edition

[rose thorn]

Fool Sylvaneth love their characters

[crystal forum]

deer twink centaurs

[arctic talon]

fuck those are sylvaneth ig

lol

[rose thorn]

[rocky gale]

Were the centaurs Warcry or Underworlds I can't rememeber

[dapper gyro]

Don't do model, do drug. It is cheaper and you might come up with some homebrew lore, much like how the official writers came up with their.

[crystal forum]

las drogas

[rocky gale]

Just checked, they're Underworlds

So once they come out you've got a 3 months window before they're gone

[arctic talon]

underworlds which is why I don't really super want them tbh

Ngl my big issue with kuronathi is why do they all have to have orange hair

aside from that one from cursed city

[rose thorn]

But they might become main game

[crystal forum]

do you have a problem with red hair

[arctic talon]

No

I just would like some variety

I think I just like Kuronathi aligned with the Wanderers

more then I like the Sylvaneth Kuronathi

[crystal forum]

one day i'll understand what all these words mean

[rose thorn]

I think it might literally just be an aqshy thing

[arctic talon]

Maybe

[rose thorn]

The only kurnothi we know isn’t from aqshy has blonde hair

[winged jacinth]

just got back my reflux finished and i had to do a whole bunch of purifications
cannot believe they brought back underwater

please god just port the ivory lagi fight thats all i ever wanted

making me go underwater makes me think of the time i hunted 67 golden ceadeus to make the armor

3u fucking hated me i had a bad talisman table too

[rose thorn]

I love kurnothi I should make a kurnothi sona

@arctic talon never mind shes from ghyran

[arctic talon]

Well still applies since she’s not from aqshy

[arctic talon]

It’s not true underwater combat for better for worse. It’s pretty fast

[arctic talon]

God I’m praying wilds does not use the eternal table for RNG talismans

[rose thorn]

I decided my Sylvaneth will be space theme and with the deer elves I could have some fun lore with the indigenous astrology stuff

[winged jacinth]

they havent used talisman tables since 3 thank god

someone pointed out it was the worst fucking idea of all time

"what if you could only get a specific subset of the possible talismans and also you cant trade talismans or change tables without making a new character"

[dire loom]

A lot of the quality fan made stuff is good.

[winged jacinth]

im led to understand thats how kirkbride wrote the 36 lessons of Vivec

[soft thunder]

speaking of elder scrolls, rip Julian LeFay

[dapper gyro]

Yes, Ozzy took over the news of musician decease.

[opaque coyote]

Astartes moment

I still rewatch that short series

[dire loom]

I liked Hellsreach @opaque coyote

Good stuff

[cyan merlin]

For every good fan creation there’s about 40,000 Mary sue stories

[opaque coyote]

Give me more trash

I'm like a Nurgling

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-good-morning-princess-gif-9038964505311567191

[arctic talon]

tbf thats just an adaptation of the novel

also the animation gets worse

the style at the start is way better and I wish they stuck to it

[opaque coyote]

I think the reason why I like Astartes so much is because it truly feels like

These are super soldiers

[arctic talon]

its good

but also I will pick at it because I'm a pendantic asshole/j

jokes aside its extremely good

but the multilas should have done more then just pockmark the armor a bit lol

[opaque coyote]

I still can't pinpoint exactly why the animation feels so good.

Maybe it's the weight

[arctic talon]

its the weight

also the sound design

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's pretty much my only flaw with it.

[arctic talon]

the marines feel heavy

is the whole point

everything they do feels loud

and chunky

[opaque coyote]

Like NGL the militia got their weapons from Temu

I did like how they did actual strategies though. The enemies aren't incompetent

They tried a lot of things

Attacking from behind, surprise attacks, guerilla warfare, ambushes

It also gives a great contrast to the two psykers

And how they held back like 4 marines

A switch in terms of the power dynamic

[arctic talon]

Temu multilas

The autocannon seemed fine

lol

same with the missile launcher

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the guy was just unlucky honestly.

[arctic talon]

the lasguns are unfortunately lasguns and they didn't have the numbers

[opaque coyote]

He hit them in the thickest armor area possible

[dire loom]

Well, I liked it.

[arctic talon]

I also liked it

tbh

[opaque coyote]

Adaptations are hard

[arctic talon]

obviously

adapting a novel is even harder tbh

Especially if you are exclusively using the audiobook for dialogue

lol

[opaque coyote]

I think what some people underestimate is the fact that for a novel. You can detail each characters feelings

And only like

A second passes

You can't really do that for a show

Or a mogie

Or any visual media

[arctic talon]

anyways 40k show better not be an adaptation of an existing thing

for the sake of the peopel making it lol

its just easier

if its original

[opaque coyote]

An example of this is anime.

Let's be fair here. Due to a lot of anime adapting from the manga. They also include the

Overly long explanations

And while it's fine in a manga

In an anime it feels like padding

And that it's more like a fucking school teacher yapping than entertainment

[opaque coyote]

I agree

40k is made to be a setting

Make some unique stories for a show

Although a part of me wishes that the Horus Heresy was somewhat adapted.

Not like the whole thing

But like a short pov for shit like

The Siege of Terra

Due to how fucked up Terra became

Y'know the Forever Winter?

How the entire game is based on being a regular scavenger in the middle of a gigantic war

Something like that but for a Siege of Terra episode.

With maybe important events in the background for people to soyjack to

Like the sheer psychic backlash of the Emperor finally killing Horus should have the sky turn into a nebula

[young pecan]

Unless you do that thing where the character talks to themself while in zooms in on their face in slow-mo

But most times that's done it's kinda corny

[opaque coyote]

"Yup that's me, you're probably wonder how I got myself in this situation-"

[crystal forum]

this is obscene level of cope wolf

[late osprey]

I'm not ideologically opposed to the idea of a HH adaptation

but like

it should definitely be preceded with many years of original 40k stories

it'd otherwise be like if MCU leaped immediately into the Thanos arc

[arctic talon]

Yeah this lol

[late osprey]

we know that directors are, in fact, people too, and so they need to practice and experiment with new themes -- the very first superhero movies were actually not that good, IMO, but eventually directors who worked with MCU hit their stride and made some major blockbusters

the same principle should reasonably apply to 40k

if they start with a beloved story, they're gonna fuck it up

[arctic talon]

Which is why I’d rather it be original

lol

Big universe

[opaque coyote]

Honestly either that or have it be like

in the background

like I said, it would be simialr to like...

god I'm gonna sound pretentious

How big wars happen that will change the course of human history

But the civilians there don't really fucking care.

They just wanna NOT be shot.

So having like a regular human POV for the Siege of Terra or something sounds interesting as a result

Like you got Emperor's Children kidnapping people to turn into drugs

Time literally warping to the point where there's time loops and shit

Imagine being a regular ass person just trying to NOT DIE during that.

[crystal forum]

a tv series about the first HH books would go so fucking hard

yall clowning

[dire loom]

Reminds me of that one meme. I'm gonna save this one.

[crystal forum]

it wont be

do you just not watch tv adaptations wolf

[arctic talon]

Yeah and a few of them have been original

[crystal forum]

i'll tell you what will happen wolf

[arctic talon]

Jay I really don’t care

[crystal forum]

they'll take one of the many adaptable book series

and they'll change it slightly or heavily to suit the tastes of modern audiences

[arctic talon]

Whatever GW does with the Amazon adaptation

They can do what they want

lol

[crystal forum]

once we know who the director will be

that will be when speculation will be worth while

[arctic talon]

The only bet I’ll make is it won’t be heresy

Tbh

That’s the only thing that’s certain for me

[opaque coyote]

I mean we know that

We also know that they'll never make a video game where a Xenos is a protagonist ever again.

But that doesn't mean that we don't want it

[arctic talon]

I mean

They have

lol

[opaque coyote]

wait fr?

[arctic talon]

Or rather there will be soon

Mechanicus 2

Necron and admech campaign

[crystal forum]

there's the ork game

[opaque coyote]

oh dang nvm

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Shootas blood and teef

Playable character is an Ork

Shocker I know

[opaque coyote]

I fucking love when the Knight basically was trying to say his title and the Ork was like

[arctic talon]

I don’t count the twisted metal thing because it has 0 story

lol

[opaque coyote]

"Bro stop yapping holy shit"

[arctic talon]

Knights ego was pretty small ngl

[crystal forum]

my bet for the series is that space marines will appear at least once and there will not be a single necron in the entire thing

[opaque coyote]

Yeah, barely even got offended when the Ork ignored him.

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195404877688602624/1397833984251133972/IMG_9630.jpg?ex=688329d8&is=6881d858&hm=53e79ccd4ffeac03d04c0811bea8b05e0c394f4256142d73b4f6c908368457a5&

Not my image

[opaque coyote]

Clearly one of the more humble Knights

[arctic talon]

But new warhammer world food just dropped

lol

[crystal forum]

a fucking wagyu patty why???

[arctic talon]

Sounds fancy

[opaque coyote]

19 pounds

oh good god

[arctic talon]

Might just be a hybrid

[crystal forum]

it's top level beef

[opaque coyote]

waygu patty

[crystal forum]

it's wasted in a burger

[opaque coyote]

It's like placing a diamond on like

[arctic talon]

Tbf it comes with fries and onion rings

But yes

[opaque coyote]

a fucking plastic kid jewelry

[arctic talon]

It’s kind of stupid lol

Ive had wagyu once, and it was at a chain restaraunt in Japan

[opaque coyote]

although I did hear that wagyu is used on burgers

for like

fancy ass restaurants

[arctic talon]

It’s got a ton of fat content

[arctic talon]

I’d assume it’s trim

Might as well make use of the wasted bits

That customers won’t eat normally

[crystal forum]

it's just very fatty beef

[opaque coyote]

hope they don't get copyright striked by Gw tho

[crystal forum]

afaik

[arctic talon]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

It also has a

Kind of unique taste

I’m not sure how to describe it

[opaque coyote]

never tried waygu

I should tho

[crystal forum]

it's just not fit for a burger

[arctic talon]

I did not have the fanciest stuff

[opaque coyote]

If only just to see if it's anything special

[arctic talon]

It’s super fatty

lol

[opaque coyote]

love that type of shit

ngl

[arctic talon]

Insanely rich

Tbh

Prolly why I got like a few smaller pieces and an entire bowl of rice

lol

[opaque coyote]

tickles something in my ape brain

[arctic talon]

The rice was necessary

[crystal forum]

your chinese side must have been furious

[arctic talon]

Why

[crystal forum]

dont chinese go crazy with meat

[arctic talon]

Meh

Some regions

The ancestral region my family is from is mostly seafood lol

[crystal forum]

have you ever had shark fin soup

is it worth the sin

[arctic talon]

Once, it was for a aunts wedding. And then I cried for like 15 minutes

After I found out it was shark fin

I was like 10 or something

[arctic talon]

Fuck no

lol

[queen laurel]

How did it taste

[crystal forum]

what did it taste like

[arctic talon]

The soup was good

The shark fin tasted like

You know cartlidge right

It’s like that

[queen laurel]

Cardboard

[arctic talon]

But kind of seafoody

Anyways what I’m saying is

[queen laurel]

seafood flavored cardboard

[arctic talon]

Fuck no it’s not worth it lol

Just get alternatives

[queen laurel]

Of all the fishes we decided to eat the shark is definitely one of them of all time

[arctic talon]

There’s stuff made out of plants

That’s just as good as the real deal

Texture wise

[crystal forum]

china will start artificially growing shark fins before they stop eating the soup

actually no they'll grow sharks then cut off the fins anyways

what if they grow sharks that are 80% fin

[arctic talon]

It’s getting less popular thankfully

Also it’s banned in Taiwan now

[crystal forum]

awesome

i love chinese trad medicine

grinding up the bones of albino tigers to have a longer lasting boner

[arctic talon]

You forgot pangolin scales

Or whatever the fuck

[arctic talon]

Monster hunter lets me connect with my ancestors by extracting a suspicious yellow liquid from monsters, distilling it and diluting it to make literal meth

Ngl how the fuck did they even discover dash juice. Did some idiot Hunter just lick the strange yellow liquid that some monsters leak or did they find out about it by dissecting a dead monster lol

[queen laurel]

to be fair we humans are good at discovering things because one guy was really just curious I'm looking at you kirin butter

[arctic talon]

Milk the elder dragon

💀

I do wonder what a Kirin baby looks like

Prolly not cute at all

[late osprey]

is warhammer world happening rn?

[queen laurel]

welp your best look would be the one in monster hunter stories but that is questionable canonicity

[arctic talon]

Nah warhammer world is just the massive Nottingham GW

It’s got a restraunt and bar lol

[arctic talon]

Well it’s face looks less horrifying

Cute enough

[late osprey]

so it's year-round?

[arctic talon]

Except holidays yeah

Anyways whoever the fuck thought milking the giant lightning unicorn that can instantly vaporize a human by summoning lightning is kind of insane

[late osprey]

Hell yeah, I'm tied into an upcoming trip to England so ima try to steer it to Nottingham for the novelty

A day or two at least, of course

[queen laurel]

this guy can also turn into actual lightning

[arctic talon]

Neat, if you find the vindicare you get a free kit(excluding titans)

Also a vindicare

lol

[arctic talon]

It also can actually control lightning which is weird as shit lol

[late osprey]

What do you mean "if you find the vindicare" LOL

[arctic talon]

I can name on 1 hand monsters that actually control natural phenomena in monster hunter

[arctic talon]

GW hides a vindicare daily

In their dioramas

[late osprey]

Oh word?

[queen laurel]

yeah it's the manifestation of lightning itself

[late osprey]

That's cool

[arctic talon]

The person who finds the vindicare first gets a kit + a vindicare mini

Everyone after just gets a vindicare mini or a hero of their choice

[late osprey]

Is it a unique vindicare or just a generic vindicare

[arctic talon]

It’s a generic vindicare or umbral six for hiding

Depends on how they want to hide them

[late osprey]

If I get to choose maybe I'll ask for a lumineth general, the patrol only gives a wizard leader

[arctic talon]

For the actual mini it’s a vindicare

I will say it is extremely hard to find the vindicare

Because the dioramas are huge

[late osprey]

It still sounds like a fun challenge

[arctic talon]

There have been days where the vindicare goes unfound

Which is insane

[arctic talon]

Well that can’t be the case in theory. Because it literally is made out of physical material and reproduces

It’s just a really really weird elder dragon

That’s mostly peaceful

Which probably does not help with getting info on it because if it’s not getting hunted you can’t dissect it or record info on it fighting

[queen laurel]

I'm talking about its abilities

It literally becomes a lightning bolt

[arctic talon]

Okay fair

lol

Also it doesn’t eat

Which is weird

[queen laurel]

what does it just get energy from lightning strikes

[arctic talon]

Well it eats, but it’s only been recorded licking water off of plants

uhh maybe?

It’s an elder dragon so it’s gona be weird

Funnily the Magala’s have a lot of info on them

A full life cycle is known

Same with a few other elders

[queen laurel]

when it's related to eating though i do know somehow this thing has evolved to eat their horns

[arctic talon]

I hate rajang

God I hate that stupid fucking lighting ape so much

It’s so goddamn fast and strong lol

[queen laurel]

yeah and apparently we and monsters have something in common and that is discovering that eating something related to the lightning horse is a good thing

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/rajang-monster-hunter-wilds-monster-hunter-world-furious-rajang-monster-hunter-gif-13875979445361167309

[median star]

so like surely theyd have found some but like what were golden age of humanity humans doing when they found necrons was it just a " oh thats interesting just leave em im sure nothing bad will ever happen"

[dusky beacon]

A force weapon can be theoretically any weapon right? Do we know of any characters using Force weapons that aren't just swords and staffs?

[rocky gale]

Terminator Librarians usually use Force Axes and Grey Knights use Force Hammers, Force Halberds and a bunch of other variants

and as for named characters Magnus has a Force Khopesh and Typhus (and other Deathguard) have Force Scythes

[plush mason]

GK really like the word nemesis dont they

[rocky gale]

What do you mean, the Nemesis Dreadknight armed with a Nemesis Dreadfist, a Nemesis Daemon Greathammer and a Nemesis Psycannon is a totally normal number of times to use the word Nemesis

[plush mason]

lmao

[celest dome]

Yes they can be any "normal" melee weapon.
We mostly see Swords, Hammer, Axes, and Glaive

But any melee weapon could exist

Force Flail is something I hope happen

And an Electrical/Biomantic Hammer à la Thor

[humble shoal]

I want a chain halberd

[vagrant fox]

Yea it's a shame we don't see a lot of that stuff

[rocky gale]

We need chainsaw nunchucks

[raven stone]

I think 30k Night Lords had those

[humble shoal]

Thunderchucks

[celest dome]

Chain Glaives are on both Munda Nomads and on NL SM

[raven stone]

Somewhere on some random Forgeworld…

https://youtu.be/wyztgCVxSH8?feature=shared

[storm jungle]

The rule applies to any power, force or whatever weapon yeah

they basically need that little powerbox thingy attached to the weapon somewhere

we got things like power-knives to power-hammers for example etc

[median star]

is their any precident for force power fist

[rocky gale]

Yep Grey Knights have them

The Nemesis Doomfist

[storm jungle]

Any

Weapon

[median star]

precident

[storm jungle]

yes

next question

🗣️

[median star]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-game-of-thrones-mountain-oberyn-gif-19272603

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-kitty-dancing-joust-memes-de-gatos-memes-gif-15564981694074768734

[proven brook]

You can have Force Knives if you want. There are also Force Rods that can block incoming psychic attacks.

[humble shoal]

Force gun

[median star]

force bullets

[proven brook]

Psilencer.

[humble shoal]

With the switch

[rocky gale]

Psicannons too

[humble shoal]

Psolter

Heavy psolter

With the pscope

[median star]

deploy the force macro cannons

[humble shoal]

Deploy the force pod

The forcing torpedo

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/prequel-starwars-no-reply-its-a-trick-gif-12918838

[humble shoal]

The psolt psistols with the pswitch and the pscope

[rocky gale]

I'll throw a Psyk-out grenade at you

[humble shoal]

Do it I am clearly a blank as I have no soul

[proven brook]

Grey Knights have force halberds, swords, falchions (twinned blades), hammers, staves/rods, and axes. Dreadnoughts get force close combat weapons too.

[rocky gale]

I'll use a Psyk-in grenade then

[dapper gyro]

Chain fist?

[humble shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-i'm-dead-lol-laughing-lmao-gif-7585881974681125832

[humble shoal]

Yes

Mommy tyberos has them

[storm jungle]

Exists.

[dapper gyro]

Source?

[dapper gyro]

Aren't they claws though?

[proven brook]

Guns would be psilencers and incinerators (blessed fuel). Psycannon fire "anti-psychic" bolts similar to psyk-out grenades, which the Grey Knights also use.

[humble shoal]

Close enough

Think the angry marines had force planks

[storm jungle]

Next

🗣️

[humble shoal]

Power chair

Ngl Im sorta interested in where they got the chair

[sharp pollen]

omg... do drukhari make their own WWE events

[vagrant fox]

Chainfists have to be at the top of the goofy list

[sharp pollen]

but with actual gore

would be sick

[rocky gale]

Yea they go all in on their coliseums

[dapper gyro]

🧐

[storm jungle]

me when gladiatorial arenas

read lore 🗣️

[sharp pollen]

read about boring space elves?

... only when there are orks included

[proven brook]

That example is a little extreme. They are usually ultility devices for cutting through bulkheads and such on space hulks, but they will happily saw through tanks too.

Sometimes they are depicted as clumsier than power fists, other times they are basically power fist +1.

[storm jungle]

Lmfao im glad people still get use out of this

eldar weapons just being these is so fucking funny

[storm jungle]

Also dont worry tav you arent known for having good faction taste

https://tenor.com/view/so-what-agree-maybe-columbo-gif-18453480

[pearl brook]

Ultramarines best faction.

Games Workshop said so

[dapper gyro]

The new cosmetic in DT is about the Bakkan regiment, but I could find info about them. Anyone knows more?

[median star]

grok visualize how chain teeth works as an augmetic

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/so-what-agree-maybe-columbo-gif-18453480

[median star]

nothing burger village thats only notable thing is they have relatively large shipyards

[rocky gale]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bakka

Yea all I can find is this page and one guy on Reddit who has them as an army

[dapper gyro]

Yes, that's the same thing I got.

[sharp pollen]

and you are behaving like an absolute dark eldar fan

do you look like marazhai irl?

[storm jungle]

Thanks I try

[storm jungle]

Bro I wish.

[humble shoal]

With your armor nipple hooks

[humble shoal]

... this isnt even fanfiction

Its literally how the rt describes thr armor

[proven brook]

The fleet from Bakka was also the one nommed by the Tyranids at the edge of the Macragge system.

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/yass-baka-edgeworth-ace-attorney-gif-14985947914024415269

[dapper gyro]

Erotic sell

[terse kestrel]

Is there instances in books of non Death Korps using Helbores? I thought it was just them

[arctic talon]

Yes

we know Lucius pattern lasguns get used by other regiments

because the Grendish 82nd

who went traitor used them

[sly ivy]

Is that a blood bowl team

[arctic talon]

god I wish

but one thing to note is that the other traitor guard minis produced by GW use a mix of Kantrael and Lucius pattern lasguns

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/0/0d/TGKillTeam.jpg

anyways the answer is yes

[sly ivy]

Apropos of nothing Blooded are super fun in kill team

[arctic talon]

@storm jungle do you have the killteam Tau art, of the drones shredding the novitiates lol

[rocky gale]

I have these two, but not any with a Drone

[arctic talon]

ty

[rose thorn]

Hey elite is the kroot KT fun?

[arctic talon]

pretty fun

more focused on the objective then murder generally

[rose thorn]

Nice

[sly ivy]

Kroot kill team can feel fragile but it's got a lot of fun tools and it looks awesome.

[rose thorn]

Holy shit EC do not take these guys well

No flack to the artist I think they did they great

It’s just an issue with the models it self

[queen laurel]

I am so sorry but this looks like this person didn't thin their paints

[rose thorn]

This was from the warcom team, they just a struggle with the metallics

[sly ivy]

Ya this looks bad lmao

[rose thorn]

They posted their models for a while now

The point is to show that you shouldn’t be gate kept because your models aren’t as perfect as everyone else’s

I’m really happy they are showing their models

[sly ivy]

ya it's nice

still look bad

[rose thorn]

Also citadel metals that isn’t lead belcher are hell lmao

I fucking hate using citadel gold

[queen laurel]

that's good but the off feeling is still there in the image

[arctic talon]

Nah

Balthazar gold is fine

imo

[sly ivy]

😦 i literally use army painter metallics even tho it's like the cheap substitute haha

[arctic talon]

Army painter is like

w/e

their newer paints are good

[rose thorn]

Haven’t tried it thank for the suggestion

[arctic talon]

their old paints re ASS

[rose thorn]

I ahve liek 159 dollars of their old paint

[arctic talon]

one tiny warning for balthasar gold

[sly ivy]

I use em for big terrain pieces

[rose thorn]

I bought metal balls to put in the paint

Their new white feels

So good

[arctic talon]

Its that uh

its very bronze

lol

[rose thorn]

Bronze looks gold with context

[sly ivy]

Now I've gone Pro Acryl & am not looking back

[rose thorn]

Or is it like

Really orange

[arctic talon]

I use citadel, Vallejo, and AK

mostly

I do have some like random scale 75 stuff and Pro Acryl

AK's titanium white is extremely good

best white i've ever used

[crystal forum]

brass can be golder than gold if used correctly

[rose thorn]

There is 3 BALTHAZAR GOLD???

Bruh what happened 😭

[crystal forum]

if i had the talent i would find ways to replicate the hundreds of metal alloy colours

[sly ivy]

god i wish some1 wuld say this about me some day

[crystal forum]

rose gold is pretty cute

[sly ivy]

psych i'm not white

[arctic talon]

Okay so one tiny issue with balthasar gold

you need to sahke it

*shake it

A LOT

Or else its way more bronzey

[rose thorn]

Gotcha, that’s what happened with OP

[arctic talon]

but also the bronzey effect is good

I will say this as well

the Balthazr gold primer

IS NOT THE SAME

[rose thorn]

Not mine*

[arctic talon]

The right two need a lot of shaking

the left one loooks

too bright almost

[crystal forum]

why do they have the same name

[arctic talon]

but might just be lighting

[rose thorn]

Lmao I love IRL jank

That’s hell

[sly ivy]

Ur pretty cute

Wait

[sly ivy]

😳

[arctic talon]

They're close enough

lol

[crystal forum]

i wish i could find a hobby like minis but i get to use metallurgy instead of painting

[rose thorn]

ERP in the lore chat 😭

[crystal forum]

i tried casting space marine bases out of copper once

[arctic talon]

But my favorite gold paints are like

prolly scale 75's

they're SO GOOD

[crystal forum]

couldn't get the kiln hot enough

[rose thorn]

I don’t know if that’s a good or horrible idea

[crystal forum]

it would probably make gluing the model harder

but it's just a puck of copper

a disc even

[arctic talon]

Pro Acryl and Scale 75 have the best metallics

that are like

not toxic to work with

I know Vallejos metal paint is extremely good

but I don't want to wear gloves + a mask everytime I paint metal lol

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah, insane ill question

Is like pink camo

A thing???

[arctic talon]

in 40k? yes

[rose thorn]

Is it real or just used to sell hunting to women

[arctic talon]

irl? uh well in some areas pink would be useful as camo

but not really

[outer wave]

Peak lore chat content

[arctic talon]

Pink camo is cosmetic

its not actually useful in most places

is the big thing

[rose thorn]

Where would that be?

[arctic talon]

uh

[rose thorn]

Besides a field of tulips

[arctic talon]

Sunrise and sunset, specific deserts and rocky areas

oh also

[crystal forum]

you should be wearing a mask and gloves every time you spray primer

[arctic talon]

its good for hunting visability

[rose thorn]

Oh good point

[arctic talon]

I know

[rose thorn]

Oh yeahhh

[arctic talon]

vallejo metal color

is a liquid brush paint

lol

It has a ton of fucking fumes

[crystal forum]

how tf do people smell the acetone in the air and not think that maybe this isn't good for them

[sly ivy]

It’s fine I never do & look how I turned out

[arctic talon]

but yeah pink camo for hunters

not useful lol

it has one use which is showing where you are

so you don't accidently get shot lol

[sly ivy]

Clears my orifices

[arctic talon]

but aside from the things I mentioned pink camo would suck irl for actually hiding

[crystal forum]

it looks fabulous

has anyone ever done digital camo on minis

[arctic talon]

I've seen it

brb

For 40k

[crystal forum]

how did they do it

oh i see it's not actually digital but it's painted to look like it

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I think actually doing the damn thing at the scale most minis are at would be impossible

especially for historical

[crystal forum]

i was thinking about those water baths with wraps that they actually use for helmets and stuff

[arctic talon]

Ah

[gaunt lily]

Masking is a good way to do patterns on stuff, i think ive seen holepunches used on masking tape before applying it for more complex patterns

theres a suprising variety of hole punches for paper crafts

[fervent gull]

Been wondering, if I have insane amount of faith in big E, can I be exempt from catching plagues like walking pox or the blight?

[celest dome]

Yes-ish

It'll help resist it

[fervent gull]

Hm

[rocky gale]

Because it smells nice

[outer wave]

Yeah like Cacti says, it'll help but depending on the intensity of chaotic plague and your faith, your mileage may vary

[lofty mason]

Does the Imperium 'claimed' every human world to be a part of the Imperium?

[rocky gale]

Yes

They claim every world and human in the galaxy as theirs

[storm jungle]

^

manifest destiny shit

[rocky gale]

Newly discovered worlds are "reintegrated"

[storm jungle]

yeah mostly through the uhhh

conquistador and christian route

aka missionaries brainwashing the populace or forcefully exterminating/re-integrating them

[arctic talon]

The entire galaxy rightfully belongs to the imperium

According to imperial religion

Lol

[rocky gale]

There's special branches of the Sororitas and Ministorum whose purpose is to infiltrate and guide the population towards accepting Imperial rule

[soft thunder]

if they resist their traitor and heretical enemies of God

[arctic talon]

All xenos should be exterminated Ect. Ect.

[rocky gale]

and then years later when it has sufficiently taken root, they will send in a diplomat to make a formal introduction and the process of integration official begins

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/kittler-cat-meme-catmeme-gif-7579590569216234501

[rocky gale]

But there's also cases of beligerant Imperials showing up and demanding submission by force

[storm jungle]

unrelated gif

[arctic talon]

If they can’t take over a society peacefully they’ll just do it by force

Tbh

Which is mostly what happened during any sort of imperial crusade lol

[sour hornet]

Yeah, they're massive cunts

[arctic talon]

You join or you die

If you refuse to join, you die

The macharian crusade which most modern imperial crusades are based on

Had a pretty simple rule

One offer to surrender

[lofty mason]

If you join, you may also die.

[arctic talon]

If you refuse

You get genocided

[storm jungle]

My man gets it 🤝

[arctic talon]

It’s join or die or join and die

[soft thunder]

somewhere mentions that now the Imperium sees allowing some xenos to live (cuz they can't wipe them out) as a sign of strength. Some mental hoops to jump through along the lines of: Wiping all the xenos out would mean that they are actually a threat to the Imperium. So letting them live is a sign of strength.

[arctic talon]

Lmao

[soft thunder]

I have no source, might be making it up idk

[arctic talon]

They are strong but weak

I could see it

But the imperium usually just

[storm jungle]

God legit fucking nazi tier cope I love that lmfao

[arctic talon]

Kills all sapient xenos

But that tracks lol

[arctic talon]

It’s the facist playbook. They’re super weak and pathetic

But they’re actually super strong

And powerful

And we must destroy them

[lofty mason]

Imagine being a farmer in a world colonized by 10,000 years ago. Every single one on that planet completely forgot about IoM. Suddenly, an IoM battleship shows up and says that you're the citizen of IoM now.

[storm jungle]

tbh

its like the middle-east

I got some relatives there who are like

"Whats 9/11, I just farm."

lol

[soft thunder]

well like anything they can't kill genocide (eldar/orks/nids) or don't have time to kill genocide (tau)

etc

[lofty mason]

Imagine if this is the case in our IRL world. Basically human didn't originated on Earth and IRL IOM is coming to get us

[storm jungle]

Its fine

our world is much worse

no need for it

[sour hornet]

I want to see what the aesthetics of a human polity separated from the Imperium would look like

[late osprey]

This literally happened in Horus Rising IIRC

[sour hornet]

No obnoxious skulls plastered on every 5cm of open surface

[lofty mason]

The solution of Fermi paradox: human on Earth are galactic refugee from other planet eons ago and now that "original" human are coming to get us.

[late osprey]

The first planet described as being suspiciously similar to holy terra or something

[storm jungle]

It can basically look like anything you imagine it to be. I made a population that is just golden humans with gene-editing that rule over a slave population that they refer to as the "pales" for example while living in palace-cities

theres SO MUCH you can do with non-imperial human civilizations tha t40k barely touches on

[lofty mason]

Isn't that basically the lore of HALO?

[storm jungle]

Nah Halo is different

it also has like

3 precursor races

💀

guh lore

[late osprey]

The Imperium has some "tolerance" for cultures that aren't adherent to High Gothica, but it's highly situational. As it seems to me, the more directly integrated you are/relevant you are to galactic politics, the more brutal they are in making sure you're culturally Terran

But like if your some who-cares world that only provides guard regiments then you're sorta allowed to do whatever the fuck you want

[storm jungle]

Somewhat.

Just pay the tithe, worship the emperor, and you can rule as you want

the issue is

you need ot keep quotas up, so the Imperial government actively forces you to be dystopian

either eventually or on the spot

[languid meadow]

yeah we're one of them lmao

[late osprey]

Well, if it was that simple, we'd see hive worlds all being significantly more diverse in terms of culture even if they're all authoritarian, so it seems to me that they start applying greater conversion forces when the bureaucracy gets the sense that you're economically important

[lofty mason]

I wonder. The education that average IoM citizens must be completely dogshit and full of propaganda. Are there any human that believes that humanity originated from that planet not Earth. I mean for the world that got completely cut of from IoM.

[storm jungle]

Well its because the population doesnt matter, the resoruces do, hive cities are already hellholes.

[storm jungle]

Yeah mostly

you get caught that terra is humanity's origin place and then its "whatever the planet teaches"

knowledge is actively looked down on the imperium

ignorance is king, etc

[sour hornet]

Ancient Humanity still was born on Earth, its just that Charum Hakkor was their capital.

[lofty mason]

https://tenor.com/view/ourlastnight-ignoranceisbliss-iib-oln-gif-18148886

[late osprey]

Also, the Imperium as an institution seemingly focuses primarily on putting Terra above everything ideologically

So the average Imperial is probably told something that your life has fundamentally less value than an equivalent Terran

[rocky gale]

Made me sad to learn that Ancient humans and the Ancient Prophets were best buds and allies for thousands of years.

[storm jungle]

Yeah which in return is also funny because the lives of terrans is about as worthless

but obviously its just propaganda

[late osprey]

Terra is like THE most overcrowded planet in the setting IIRC

So the average living standard is worse there than it could be anywhere else as a human

[storm jungle]

Yeah multi-trillions or more

[sour hornet]

And the quotas are always very harsh, so the Imperium needs to do very little in the first place—the numbers required will see to that.

[storm jungle]

a traffic-jam happens in orbit? Millions die lol

[late osprey]

Despite the entire galaxy essentially funneling resources into Terra, it all suspiciously vanishes before it can reach the people.

[lofty mason]

"You, a Terran, are worth 10x more than human from Atoma Prime"
"0 times 10 is still 0"

[sharp pollen]

do people on the planet surface even ever see sun cause of the ships

[late osprey]

In other news, another palace was built in the north hemisphere.

[sly ivy]

I glanced @ that & read it as “slav population”

& was like

🇹🇷

Checks out

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres no "good" planet in the Imperium, the most calm ones will just be boring dystopias to some degree which would still have shit like corruption everywhere and enforcer massacres among other stuff ala Varangantua, you cannot run a planet as a "good ruler" forever and it will always eventually get worse, the fate of every imperial world essentially is industrial death to some degree

[soft thunder]

generations have died in the Terran BMV queue

[late osprey]

As a governor your job is extracting wealth and shipping it off to Terra

So get to opening up those mines

[storm jungle]

Those are asians dingus

[sly ivy]

This is so annoying. WAIT BUT THERE’S AN EVEN OLDER MORE MYSTERIOUS SPECIES

[sour hornet]

And apparently the ancient San-Shyuum were super duper attractive to both humans and forerunners. Crazy that they ended up looking like this.

[storm jungle]

AND IT ALL STARTS AT AFRICA

which ngl i find cool

but THEY DO IT TWICE

[late osprey]

It makes sense when you consider that they're all basically super inbred by this point

[lofty mason]

I mean Battlestar Galactica also plays into this theme.

[rocky gale]

Yea by the time of the modern era they are horrifically inbred and deformed

[late osprey]

Like imagine some ugly as fuck habsburg mutant and being told that, actually, Anya Taylor-Joy is part of the same species.

[sly ivy]

O wait I thought u meant how there were forerunner and then precursor and then who knows what

[late osprey]

It'd be a little rough to take in at first

[sly ivy]

But u mean the Greg bear stuff

[late osprey]

This sounds like good soil for a Douglas Adams bit.

[sly ivy]

How dare u so malign the eternal austro Hungarian god kings

[fervent gull]

Wassup chat whats the topic

[late osprey]

"Unfortunately, they started running out of words for predecessors, and so they eventually decided on just calling them 'The Before Fellows'."

[sly ivy]

Hungarians

[fervent gull]

What

Why?

[sour hornet]

Inbreeding.

[soft thunder]

wait who were the other Übermensch races besides forerunners and humans? Precursor were the life-seeding not-frog race iirc

[sly ivy]

Hungarians

[sour hornet]

Inbreeding

[fervent gull]

How did the topic come to hungarians?

[late osprey]

There's also the Old Ones who travelled between the Halo and 40k universes.

[sly ivy]

Not the porn kind tho

[late osprey]

And they precede the Precursors

Oh, there's a good name. The Preceeders.

The Actually First Ones For Real This Time, Guys

[sly ivy]

Sigh

[fervent gull]

This chat is so entertaining %80 of the time

[soft thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-star-trek-tos-sulu-explode-computer-gif-18131061

[rocky gale]

I'd forgot that Halo Infinite introduced another precursor race, The Endless

[languid meadow]

The Endless are NOT a precursor race the only ones are The Precursors themselves, The Forerunners, and Humanity

[arctic talon]

The endless are just an ancient species iirc

[languid meadow]

they're just an ancient raec

[arctic talon]

who got sealed up because they're immune to the halo rings

so ig the Forerunners didn't want to experiment to see how the flood would interact lol

[rocky gale]

So they existed at the same time as the Forerunners and ancient humans, which means that they came before, which is what precursor means.

[languid meadow]

ALL of the races in halo existed beforehand

at the same time as forerunners

[rocky gale]

Technically modern humans and the other races were reseeded and developed into different cultures

The Endless are still the same people from prior to the Rings firing

Modern Humans aren't Ancient Humans, same as Moderrn San'Shyuum aren't Ancient San'Shyuum

But the Endless are still the Endless, they were just locked away

[languid meadow]

we can argue semantics all day but when people talk about the species in the "Precursor" area they're specifically talking about the ones linked to the mantle which until further story elements come out the endless are not.

[rocky gale]

That's dumb, the Mantle has nothing to do with it

Forerunners, The Precursors, Ancient Humans, Ancient San'Shyuum etc etc are all precursor civilisations that existed prior to the firing of the Rings, modern humans and modern San'Shyuum are not. The Endless are.

[crystal forum]

man halo really has a lot of ancient civilizations with lots of power

[opaque coyote]

Hello chat

[pulsar oasis]

SO here's a half serious question. : I apply a combat stim to myself. why does my ranged weapon and/or dog (arbites class in game) get the buff?

[opaque coyote]

Combat Stim increases reflexes as well

You get better aim as a result

For the dog, it's usually part biological so you administer it

If it's a completely robotic one

Uh

Idk

[pulsar oasis]

lol good call

[opaque coyote]

[pulsar oasis]

better commands i guess? bite him harder

[queen laurel]

If it's a completely robotic one it could just be a aggression protocol

Basically a program that basically imitates the effects of combat drugs to their circuitry

[arctic talon]

Tbf

Cybermastiffs are not completely robotic

there's always some brain matter left

[queen laurel]

Even the hard case ones?

[arctic talon]

Yes

its going to have brain matter

[queen laurel]

Hardcases Cyber-Mastiffs are a type of completely mechanical Cyber-Mastiff,

Lex says they're completely mechanical

But i'm guessing the brain matter thing is still there because you know it's heresy to create ai even if it's a dog ai

[arctic talon]

you're missing the rest of the quote

which mentions how the canine is augmented

there is still a dog underneath

even if its been mutilated to hell

[queen laurel]

The dog of theseus

Is it still the same dog after it has been mutilated and replaced by metal

[arctic talon]

Yes

still got some brain matter left

[queen laurel]

Ok then good to know at least when i literally have no choice i can just salvage the brain of my pet

[sour hornet]

Not really "underneath", just parts of a brain

[young pecan]

Shooting someone in the face but Better(tm)

[vagrant fox]

Rogue Trader DLCs were good lads, giving them a +2

[forest moat]

Huron>abaddon

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[vagrant fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[forest moat]

Never seen a marine use this manner of weapon

Absolutely crazy looking staff

[storm jungle]

thats fanart

they give them any dumb shit

its that uhh goofy ass aztec marines chapter i think lol

[forest moat]

Figured it had to be fanart

[sharp pollen]

asian fanart most likely

[forest moat]

I was looking like bro

[vagrant fox]

don't be mean to what might be the rainbow warriors

[forest moat]

This is just ridiculous

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

I can tell its fan art instantly because of the shark teeth

on Tyberos

LOL

on the otherhand

normal sized tyberos

[forest moat]

It’s supposed to be badab war art

[arctic talon]

Who tf is in the center

what

[forest moat]

I see the Minotaurs

[forest moat]

That’s the OC marine

[arctic talon]

Oh

both Moloc and Tyberos during Badab were kind of just being assholes to everyone else lol

[forest moat]

True

[arctic talon]

and ignoring any sort of strategy jst doing their own thing(read violence)

[forest moat]

Honestly that had to be a crazyyy day to be a heretic

[arctic talon]

Tbf

The rebels in Badab

chose to rebel

There wasn't any chaos involved

Huron just didn't want to pay his fucking taxes lol

[forest moat]

I feel for Huron personally

[arctic talon]

yeah but Huron is super cool now

[forest moat]

He seen a issue that could have been solved

[arctic talon]

my fucking GOAT

[forest moat]

I have a hard time deciding if I like his loyalist look more or traitor

Both are just so peak

[arctic talon]

he also was accumulating wealth tbh

beyond just solving the issue

[forest moat]

Fairs

[arctic talon]

but yeah he and a lot of the Astra Claws

did fall to chaos really late into it

[forest moat]

Yes they were trying to hold out

[storm jungle]

I got a thing that will settle that debate

[forest moat]

They literally just wanted to finish the issue

But like you said

[arctic talon]

He was also being a greedy bastard

[forest moat]

And Huron also wanted his own like mini ultramar

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

LIL CREATURE

[sharp pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-out-of-restaurant-man-eating-man-eating-and-running-away-cartoon-eating-cartoon-gif-14206145866551753880

[arctic talon]

God his face looks like shit(in a good way)

[forest moat]

He wanted to carve out a small empire and protect it

They weren’t gonna have that

[arctic talon]

He really does look like someone who had half his body blown up

lol

[forest moat]

The first time I laid eyes on Huron he became one of my favorites

Then I find out they are basically space pirates

[arctic talon]

I'm hoping he gets a new kit

[forest moat]

Oh my god

[arctic talon]

by the end of this edition

He deserves it

[forest moat]

True

His iron halo is so cool

[arctic talon]

also this art of him

goes fucking crazy

[forest moat]

He just got that aura man

Abaddon is cool too

But he has too much baggage

I feel like Huron would push the traitors forward more

[arctic talon]

well

huron doesn't want to

He doesn't want to take over the imperium and all that boring stuff

[forest moat]

He would more so be focused on building a traitor empire if anything

[arctic talon]

he just wants his own mini empire

[forest moat]

In my opinion

[arctic talon]

AND BIG MONEY

[forest moat]

Exactly bro

Something much more sustainable

[arctic talon]

Huron is fun when he's not treated

as abbadon 2 imo

[forest moat]

Yes

[arctic talon]

He's concerned with wealth

[storm jungle]

Consider this

[forest moat]

Considering

[storm jungle]

Abaddon went traitor due to a reasons of wall tof text

[arctic talon]

anyways here's why we should burn every copy of master of the maelstrom

[storm jungle]

Huron went traitor due to taxes

[forest moat]

Hurons situation was definitely more simple

It has it’s complications but yes

[arctic talon]

brb

I'm making something

[forest moat]

Black legion is still very well equipped I mean it isn’t like they don’t have wealth coming too

[languid meadow]

not posting the meme just the image

[vagrant fox]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DHWWMYzOPHO/?igsh=aDdhNHNzdmkzcWs3

check out this crazy fan animation

[storm jungle]

YES

LITERALLY THAT MEME

[storm jungle]

Thats from DOW3

the sentence is death

[arctic talon]

Look

this took me like

3 minutes of work

[vagrant fox]

DoW3 never came out unfortunately 😔

[arctic talon]

Shame this game was actually cool in every way aside from its story and gameplay

[vagrant fox]

a big shame

[outer wave]

Okay but giant Eldar mech jumps like that are pretty awesome

We need more of that

[vagrant fox]

I'm in a big mood for Eldar but there's not much going on in terms of novels

[storm jungle]

Wraithknights and eldar titans are basically Evangelion EVAs

so that sort of of mobility is nice to see in action lol

[arctic talon]

People always underestimate

how fucking fast eldar titans/knights are

Ig its because the smaller wraiths are slow as shit

[vagrant fox]

I went through the Valedor novel again recently and the brief descriptions of the revenant titans is pretty cool

[storm jungle]

yeah Valedor is great for mass battle stuff lik ethat

[storm jungle]

the Exodite animation showcases it the best

something that mobile would just run circles around a titan and just slice it lol

[outer wave]

Why are the smaller ones slow but the bigger ones fast?

[arctic talon]

how "awake" they are

if that makes sense

[outer wave]

Gotcha

[arctic talon]

Wraithguard/wraithblades/wraithlords are all very sleepy

they aren't really fully awake unless they got a spirit seer giving them that wake up call

So they're clumsier/slower

on the otherhand a wraith knight is fully awake and in sync with the sibling piloting it

so it goes as fast as it possibly can and reacts instantly to whatever action the pilot + the spiritstone does

normal wraiths can be as fast as the bigger ones but they're usually too sleepy

[outer wave]

I see I see

[shell mason]

sup nerds

miss me?

[storm jungle]

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