40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

And saturnine is a hate it or love it

And also this box has no vehicle

[crystal forum]

why

im not keeping up

[rocky gale]

No vehicle is odd yea

[arctic talon]

Well Solar auxilia just lost 70% of their army

With no indication

If it’ll be in legacies

[rocky gale]

They really could have got rid of the big turret thing and put a vehicle in instead

[crystal forum]

how does HH have legacy units

[arctic talon]

Marines lost a ton of options, rules got worse, list building is way more linear

[crystal forum]

i thought it was the legacy game

[arctic talon]

Legacies is just stuff GW doesn’t produce a mini for

Which was

Most of Solar auxilia

[crystal forum]

ah god fucking damn it they 10thified HH

[arctic talon]

Mechanicum lost a ton of options with no indication on it

[arctic talon]

No

It’s worse

lol

Because they lied about it

They said 3e would have no sweeping changes

[crystal forum]

most people were happy with HH because it was expressly not a overly competitive game

[arctic talon]

Ignore the fact they, completely redid force org, weapon stats, army building, several datasheets, army rules

[arctic talon]

It’s still not

Heresy 3e just sucks

Imo

[crystal forum]

streamlining the game mechanics is straight up making it more competitive oriented

[arctic talon]

There’s some actual good info

[arctic talon]

It’s not though

Rules got more complex this edition overall lol

Due to how challenges are like 18 pages

Worth of rules

Except no more warlord traits or relics

And now you have gambits

[crystal forum]

oh i actually like the duel rules they look fun

[arctic talon]

The duel rules are neat

Just

I dislike how they’re integrated

lol

I dislike how over emphasized they are

Armies lost warlord traits and relics for this

And rites of wars

[crystal forum]

ah man the relics were the best part of HH

i wonder if i lost the graviton shredders

[arctic talon]

Anyways heresy 3e is a clusterfuck

With some good ideas

And some horrid ones

[crystal forum]

anyways saturnine is lame

[arctic talon]

for iron hands?

I got some bad news

[rose thorn]

But but but we made a website! And fake leaks!

[crystal forum]

yeah

[arctic talon]

I got some real bad news

about your uh

[crystal forum]

did they delete iron hands

[arctic talon]

legion unique units

[crystal forum]

or smth

[arctic talon]

Well

Delete is the wrong word

shatter their kneecaps and beat half to death all their unique units? yes

[crystal forum]

i wasn't a fan of the gorgons and immortals tbh

[arctic talon]

Gorgons can only take powerfist + combiweapons

[crystal forum]

i dont mind

[arctic talon]

Immortals are bolters only

Oh also

No gravtats now

[crystal forum]

WHAT

[arctic talon]

And graviton shredders are dead

as far as I can tell

[crystal forum]

i kitbashed that shit for nothing man

[arctic talon]

aside from named characters

Oh also

if you have veterans

with more then 1 melee weapon option

they're all unusable now

Because veterans are ranged weapons spam now

because fuck you

No sweeping changes btw

[crystal forum]

and i assume all the unique vehicle relics are gone too

[arctic talon]

Yes

all relics are gone(aside from named characters)

all warlord traits are gone

[crystal forum]

why did they do this

[arctic talon]

idk

ask GW

10e has relics and warlord traits still

but Heresy doesn't

if you told me this

like 1 year ago

I'd have called you a liar

[crystal forum]

so that's why GW has been pumping out so many random characters

[arctic talon]

for saying that of all the systems to not have relics/wlts or an equivelent system

It would be fucking heresy

[arctic talon]

Oh also GW are reselling rules to you piece meal for 35$ per book

this isn't supplemental narrative stuff

this is stuff removed from the liber and legacies

Master of Signals? gone

but he is in this 35$ supplement

Thanatar maniple? also gone

but guess what

35$ Supplement

[crystal forum]

welp guess that means i'm never actually playing tabletop

[arctic talon]

🏴‍☠️

[crystal forum]

i still have shredders in my models

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside most people I know

are staying on 2e

Because 3e uh

[crystal forum]

yeah i'll prob just play 2e

[arctic talon]

well 3e is one of the editions of all time

but this is like insane for GW

to have like lied in this manner lol

[crystal forum]

thankfully the editons dont need constant updates so i can stick to 2 and it wont be a mess

[arctic talon]

Because they've literally never done that before for game rules

lol

its like if GW said for AoS 4e they would have a BIG EMPHESIS ON MORALE and Armybuilding and manifestations will be like 3e

AoS 4e has no morale rules

[crystal forum]

and here i thought the saturnine box was the worst part of the year for HH

[arctic talon]

and armybuilding is completely different

and manifestations are also different

its such a blatent lie its crazy

because GW just has not done that before

so people were expecting Heresy 3e

to be similar to 2e

hell 9e to 10e is less changes then Heresy 2e to 3e

[crystal forum]

they'll prob tone down the changes after a while

[rocky gale]

Yea their announcement stream basically said they were only going to be expanding and building on the existing 2e rules

So like yikes

[crystal forum]

im guessing HH makes most of its sales from character models so corporate pushed the changes

i hope at least

[arctic talon]

They literally can't

this is all baked into the core rules

[rose thorn]

Maybe if HH takes a hit to the stomach they Will focus their money into other factions

[arctic talon]

I mean

heresy is already a sidegame like Munda and Old World

[crystal forum]

they'll just refocus to imperialis

[arctic talon]

ig its more like Old world then munda

[rose thorn]

Yeha but it’s the biggest of the side games

[arctic talon]

ye

[crystal forum]

imperialis is like a side game to the side game

[arctic talon]

I don't like shitting on GW for no reason but boy

do I have a reason to shit on GW for Heresy 3e lol

[rocky gale]

HH 3.5 coming in 2-3 months

[crystal forum]

so small it has to be lumped in with HH despite being completely different games

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

lmao

AoS 1.5e ass update to Heresy 3e

to salvage it

[rose thorn]

I don’t like shitting on gw either as long as they don’t do illegal stuff

[crystal forum]

i can't wait for imperialis to be discontinued in 3 years only for it to be rebooted again later

[rose thorn]

‘They took down my space marine stls’ I’m sorry but it is just copy right infringement

[arctic talon]

I mean they did do false advertising

for Heresy 3e I'd say

like

they advertised 3e as having no sweeping changes and would build on 2e

[crystal forum]

it's only false advertising if what they advertise isn't the product

[rose thorn]

Yeah idk what they are smoking

But they did alot a lot of posts about HH’s rules lmao

[arctic talon]

yeah I've got a question, what the fuck is this

[rose thorn]

What the fuck do any of those mean

[arctic talon]

Why did you rename literally everything

[arctic talon]

Range Firepower(attacks) ranged strength, AP(you know what this is) damage(d)

[crystal forum]

now i have to reread the millions of special rules

[arctic talon]

why did they seperate ranged strength and melee strength>

literally no reason

they work the exact same

btw

[rose thorn]

[crystal forum]

maybe for sword guns

[arctic talon]

Whats the difference between firepower and attacks

nothing

[rose thorn]

What is an armourbane

[crystal forum]

bayonet bolters

[rose thorn]

Why is it impossible to type

[arctic talon]

Armourbane is a 40k/heresy keyword that just means you murder armor better

[crystal forum]

probably has reroll on pen chance or some shit

[rose thorn]

Lmao

Why is las not under special rules????

It gets its own slot?

[arctic talon]

its a weapon keyword

[crystal forum]

normal las isn't like a lascannon probably

[arctic talon]

which is a thing in 40k and 30k

its more a thing in 30k

but certian things only work with certian keywords

[rose thorn]

Ah

[arctic talon]

I.E the imperial fists old army rule bolter drill

shockingly only works with bolters

[crystal forum]

there were a bunch of weird one off weapon keywords in 2e

[arctic talon]

anyways

[crystal forum]

mostly custodes stuff

[arctic talon]

how about those Scourge of Ghyran

amiright guys

[arctic talon]

Custodes and blackshields

lol

Xenolock weaponry

[crystal forum]

disintegrator

a bunch of exotic melee

i hope the duel gameplay will make up for this shit

[arctic talon]

it uh

it doesn't

Its cool but like guess what you can do

[crystal forum]

ignore duels?

[arctic talon]

steal it from 3e and put it in 2e

Yes also

lol

Iron Warriors have a rule where every unit with X" fires on whoever declares a duel

[crystal forum]

i thought duels were added to prevent primarchs from completely ravaging the field

[arctic talon]

Nightlords have a rule that if you have an infantry squad within a few inches

you can grab any dude

and just have them get stabbed instead

[arctic talon]

Well they already did that lol

Priamrchs got nerfed to shit

Corax's claws have AP4

lol

[crystal forum]

sounds like something alpha legion would do

[arctic talon]

And deal 1 damage

Oh also Saturine Praetors are broken as shit

because BUY NEW THING

[crystal forum]

see that's shit. they could have remained OP while still being forced to duel while the rest of the board plays the game

[arctic talon]

Saturine praetors are genuinely better then a chunk of the primarchs

lol

also Horus Ascended might be the worst unit in the game now

[crystal forum]

what a shame that saturnine looks like garbage

[arctic talon]

its normal Horus, but it costs 500 points more

and he gets no buffs to any stats

[rocky gale]

I like the Saturnines though

[arctic talon]

but he's a psyker

Tbh if you like how saturine looks thats fine, but I think the way the rules are written for them

is kind of stupid

[crystal forum]

they really saw the handful of 40k fans who talk about saturnine and decided to focus a whole damn edition on big shoulders

[arctic talon]

Praetor Blobimus should not be able to beat Lorgar to death with his hammer

now granted that is a really funny mental image

but the primarchs being so bad and saturine praetors being so good is uh

[crystal forum]

and again who tf would buy the box when all the units are already available in other forms

[arctic talon]

well its a choice from GW

[crystal forum]

the mark 3 box came with a fucking land raider

[arctic talon]

Also mechanicum and solar auxillia have no primarch or saturine praetor equivelent

[crystal forum]

that had 3 build options!!!

[arctic talon]

so they get their teeth bashed in by Saturine Praetors

[rocky gale]

If I did get Saturnine it wouldn't be for HH though, I'd use them 40k CSM

[arctic talon]

Honestly

they're great obliterator proxies

[rocky gale]

Ye

[crystal forum]

why is it both dreads and termies

[arctic talon]

The only issue I have with saturine lore wise is the whole mildly psychic potential thing

which feels weird

[crystal forum]

and the dread is so bland it looks like the deredeo body with a different top

[arctic talon]

Aside from that I actually love how the praetor looks

the normal saturine I think would look better if they gave them like

the same waist towel thingy

[crystal forum]

where did their little top gun go

[arctic talon]

wtf do you call this cloth thing

btw

I have a crass nickname for it but does it have an actual name for it

[arctic talon]

Different armor

Vulkans Experimental terminator armor is different from Saturine

lol

[crystal forum]

it looks so much cooler with the top gun

[rocky gale]

The Saturnine Praetor is also a similar size profile to a 40k Daemon Prince

[crystal forum]

why didn't they go with the cooler art

instead of generic HH dread

[arctic talon]

huh really?

neat

[crystal forum]

look at how close it is to the leviathan!!!

it's literally the same lower body

how lazy can you be

[rocky gale]

So stick some more metal bits on the Praetor and you've got an Iron Warriors Daemon Prince

[crystal forum]

it looks better

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1397704508498514040/image.png?ex=6882b142&is=68815fc2&hm=25deadf5a62e813a5731576e64a318d267829a57e94589e886d8f2bd4d1420b8&

anyone have an actual name for this

please

[rocky gale]

The cloth?

[crystal forum]

just an FYI the last big box edition you got a spartan and in this one you get a fucking tarantula turret

[arctic talon]

Yeah

the cloth between like

the legs

[median star]

tabard

[arctic talon]

isn't tabard upperbody as well

this is just the like pelvic/between the legs

[arctic talon]

its not a tarantula

but yes

[crystal forum]

big tarantula

still shit

and boring

[arctic talon]

Araknae Quad Accelerator Platform

What a unit lol

[crystal forum]

did they really make the legs super long to justify its unit size

it would almost be terminator size if it wasn't for the legs

[arctic talon]

stupid its only gun options are accelerator auto cannons imo

[rocky gale]

It's a scapular, but like it's like a fantasy thing rather than a real world historical thing

[arctic talon]

thank you

[rocky gale]

IRL scapular is just like a monks dress

Or a shoulder bone

[crystal forum]

autocannons are cool though

[arctic talon]

well yeah

but its called an anti tank platform

its only got accelerator auto cannons as an option

which are not great anti tank

they're great for light vehicles and aircraft

[crystal forum]

i can guarantee you it has anti air rules too

[arctic talon]

it does

lol

[crystal forum]

the fucking super hydra

so this thing is straight up an immobile sicaran

[arctic talon]

yeah pretty much

lol

[crystal forum]

alright well at least plastic fellblade

i can't use any relics or rites on it but

[arctic talon]

it looks cool

[rocky gale]

Anti air models in 40k are weird, like you'd only take a Hydra if you were going to face aircraft, but nobody really uses aircraft because they suck, but if you make the aircraft not suck then people will take them and others will start taking anti air which will just shoot down the aircraft, making them suck still.

[arctic talon]

Aircraft were a mistake for the scale 40k is in

tbh

[sly ivy]

No

[arctic talon]

Aircraft in both 40k and 30k don't function like real aircraft lol

[sly ivy]

All 40K games should be played on 500 foot by 300 foot boards

[rocky gale]

But I love my Voidraven and Razorwing

[celest dome]

Aircraft just don't suit turn by turn games tbh

Unless it's only aircraft stuff

[arctic talon]

so do I

[celest dome]

Like Aeronoticalis something

[arctic talon]

I love my hemlock wraithfighter

[sly ivy]

And there should be a 1500 page rule manual filled exclusively with aeronautics terms from Double Eagle, dedicated 2 Dilara

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tobey-maguire-stare-sad-gif-25128049

Craftworlders

[arctic talon]

Its true

the best eldar group

[crystal forum]

hydra should be a really good anti swarm unit or smth

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough

it is good anti semi elite/elite infantry rn

S9 D3 fucking eats marines alive

and can make custodes fall over dead as well

[crystal forum]

funny

[arctic talon]

S9 wounds marines on 2

Ap -1 makes their save worse

D3 is an instakill if it gets through

[crystal forum]

but not enough people realize that an AA gun makes for excellent anti infantry

[arctic talon]

S9 wounds Stodes and tougher marines on 3's

oh also

its dirt fucking cheap

its like 95 points or some shit for a hydra and since 10e has free wargear

it comes with a free roulette instakill gun as well with an HKM

big downside is the Leman Russ Exterminator is generally better iirc

[crystal forum]

the instant delete missile

why of all things GW decided to keep from the way more detailed armour days did they choose the missile

[arctic talon]

Hunterkiller missile? idk

its iconic ig

guard players miss dozer blades and armored treads lol

but Hunterkiller missiles never leave

[crystal forum]

weird that they didn't ever add a dedicated hunter killer missile tank

[arctic talon]

Tau and Guard vehicles eat good rn

Since Tau get free Seeker Killers

[crystal forum]

like a manticore variant or smth

[arctic talon]

and guard get free hunter killers

[arctic talon]

Tau have one

but not guard

[crystal forum]

i kinda dont like weapons that are meant to be gambles

[arctic talon]

Tbh since its free rn everyone takes them

pre 10e they were a point filler

[crystal forum]

yeah because 10th

[arctic talon]

anyways this is the Tau Hunter killer tank

[crystal forum]

who knows what will happen larer

[arctic talon]

11e has wargear costs back

so

yeah

also iirc

there is a chimera variant thats a Hunterkiller missile merchant

[crystal forum]

im more annoyed that guard vehicles have so little free space for add ons

everywhere i put the missile it still looks stupid

[crystal forum]

what?

[arctic talon]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chimerro

Lol

[crystal forum]

sounds like a cancer treatment

[arctic talon]

It cures the cancer of anything thats not an imperial

[crystal forum]

of course it's some 2nd edition thing

[crystal forum]

man why do tau vehicles have to go so hard

[arctic talon]

Because the greater good goes hard

[crystal forum]

it's hard for me to hate tau when they look so cool

that thing looks like it was designed by skynet also

[arctic talon]

There's also the fucking harbringer which is a modified hammerhead

thats basicially an AWACS for Tau drones lol

It also only shows up like once ever outside of the dawn of war games

[crystal forum]

the bomber?

[arctic talon]

Nah

its a ground vehicle

which is why its weird

It being whats essentially an Electronic warfare/AWACS thing

this is my favorite tau vehicle though. I love the hammerhead

[crystal forum]

man why do guard even bother

this shit is so better than a russ

[arctic talon]

because for every hammerhead there's like

one morbillion fucking Russes

Tau tank ace records are in lore overinflated

both from propaganda and like

bad reporting

[crystal forum]

that's only because imperium has one gajillion factories

[arctic talon]

Tbf

a hammerhead might blow up a Russ but like

It also is kind of lighter armored

[crystal forum]

with that main gun does it really matter

[arctic talon]

ehhhhh not really

[crystal forum]

wait this is 40k

it does matter since a melta gun will still find its way

or a guy with a power sword

[arctic talon]

lol

hammerheads go down much easier then russes

comparitively tbh

lighter armor

the gun is the real scary part of them

[storm jungle]

Also tau always need to somewhat get nerfed for the Imperials to usually win engagements.

[arctic talon]

and the maneuverability

[crystal forum]

i'm guessing less variety too

[storm jungle]

People really underestimate shit like

drone warfare a lot

[arctic talon]

the hammerhead only has 3 gun types yeah

and 1 of them is experimental lol

[storm jungle]

For like 10 IRL years 💀

[arctic talon]

Tau don't get lore accurate drone warfare unless it needs to be a curbstomp

lol

[storm jungle]

YEP

[crystal forum]

russ has more experimental guns than tau has actual guns

[storm jungle]

Like you can probably realistically win an engagement against the Imperium just using like

fucking sniper drones

lmao

they lierally would not even see you strike most of the time

[arctic talon]

Less actually lol

[crystal forum]

just pump out suicide drones

[arctic talon]

wait no it is 10

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[arctic talon]

FUCK

[storm jungle]

Ngl tau would 100% do that

but uhhh

too close to real life

[arctic talon]

the plasma cannons are the weird experimental things

[storm jungle]

especially now

LMAO

[opaque coyote]

To be honest drones are kinda the worst thing narratively.

Not because it doesn't make sense.

But because if you followed logic. They would basically zerg rush with drones

[arctic talon]

The Ion cannon + smart missile array

is normal

[storm jungle]

Yeah they would

[opaque coyote]

Just send a wave of suicide drones

[storm jungle]

but then people would hate the tau even more

[arctic talon]

go go drone warfare

[storm jungle]

because you legit can just murder most guard regiments with the shit Tau uses

[crystal forum]

ok but eldar could just fry the drones with their special grenade thing

[storm jungle]

but its too "unfair"

[storm jungle]

Yeah but im talking about the Imperium

eldar use magic lol

[opaque coyote]

I like the T'au mostly because they act sane in a galaxy that's constantly on coke.

But at the same time

The drones thing is kinda of an exception

[arctic talon]

we need tension for the plot

okay

no drone hordes

[opaque coyote]

Because in universe it's too unreasonable not to spam

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much this

[crystal forum]

i feel like it would take a shit ton of drones to kill the normal amount of guardsmen in a battalion

[storm jungle]

relaistic tau vs imperium is like

[arctic talon]

well drones have missiles

is the thing lol

[storm jungle]

deathwatch team of 5 lands

[opaque coyote]

So when a T'au doesn't use them, it's basically just

[arctic talon]

the Tau not mass manufacturing

[storm jungle]

they instantly get killed by 10 sniper drones

[arctic talon]

Missile drones

[opaque coyote]

"They're fucking throwing"

[arctic talon]

is like

Def done because plot

[storm jungle]

Yeah its again just avoiding IRL

[arctic talon]

Also yeah that lmao

I don't think anyone wants to read

[storm jungle]

same with how the Imperium doesnt use suicide bombers

even tho it 100% would

and did

[arctic talon]

about the Tau predator drones

lol

[crystal forum]

tau are limited by their tiny empire so at least that's justified

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

[storm jungle]

nah its not

they are tiny yet make super advanced shit

[opaque coyote]

Remember how the Flash supposedly can think in an attosecond yet can't save everyone.

It's kinda like that

[storm jungle]

size doesnt compare to tech

[opaque coyote]

Writing themselves into a corner type shit

[storm jungle]

they got like, literal metal gears and shit

[arctic talon]

add the fucking Remora to bighammer lol

[crystal forum]

they don't have the planets to shit out millions of drones is what i mean

[storm jungle]

I mean they kinda do

they got endless drones

they use them everywhere

its why its nerfed

[arctic talon]

The remora is so batshit insane

[opaque coyote]

I think that's what most T'au people like

Because all the Mechas are

Really fucking cool

[arctic talon]

its a tau stealth fighter drone

that carries missiles

[storm jungle]

its same as how like- hold on

All these marines here would be dead

but the scarabs straight up ignore them

minus that 1 marine

[arctic talon]

and a burst cannon

[storm jungle]

lmao

[crystal forum]

still my fav official animated scene

[arctic talon]

the scarabs are hungering for something else

not the marines

smh

[storm jungle]

Same

[opaque coyote]

Send that one SM2 clip where they swarmed by mini tyranids

[crystal forum]

GET SCARABED BITCH

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough in canon it like

[opaque coyote]

And that's basically what should happen

[arctic talon]

literally goes horribly

[storm jungle]

it made me do a battle entry for my necron dynasty

[arctic talon]

all those marines

[storm jungle]

where like

[arctic talon]

ARE DEAD

[storm jungle]

200 marines land on one of their territories

[opaque coyote]

"THEY JUMPING ME. THEY JUMPING ME!"

[storm jungle]

and the overlord just unleashes a fucking tornado of scarabs on them

and they just all die

[arctic talon]

mmmmmmmmmm

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

bugge

[storm jungle]

Also

necrons can technically make infinite canoptek constructs

but dont because thats OP

[arctic talon]

scarabs are grey goo

lol

[crystal forum]

necrons are like the one faction that are comedically nerfed by space marine plot

[storm jungle]

YEP

Like look at pariah nexus

[crystal forum]

it's not even funny

[storm jungle]

the Imperium only survived because Imotekh went hater mode lol

[arctic talon]

why does the deathmark struggle with the normal humans

lol

in the animation

its a fucking deathmark

[storm jungle]

Plot.

[opaque coyote]

Space Marines if the factions decided to mass produce their swarm units:

https://youtu.be/95QbmCC_1Nc?si=T5mQyP1_QcLFmjjr

[arctic talon]

necrons are insanely strong

[storm jungle]

REAL.

[arctic talon]

it serves no purpose though

its false tension lol

[crystal forum]

trazyn casually changing the entire cadia plot just by trolling his way around the place

[storm jungle]

God it reminds me of like

[opaque coyote]

Now that is the clip I wanted

Thank you Dilara

[storm jungle]

another story I wrote with my chapter

where one of them goes to execute a warrior ala the game

and then during it he gets jumped by like

20 fucking gaunts

and gets ripped apart

[arctic talon]

imagine if the Rippers were lore accurate

and had fucking guns

LOL

[storm jungle]

LMAO

YEA

[arctic talon]

The fact rippers get guns

is like the most horrifying part of them

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/len'en-tenkai-zuifeng-reactivate-majestical-imperial-rmi-len'en-project-gif-14130042771584911951

Guardsman going up against an average Tyranid swarm

[arctic talon]

ngl

why tf

did GW give rippers guns in lore

lol

[storm jungle]

Because its cute

[arctic talon]

okay true

[rocky gale]

Did anyone else see the Tabletop Tactics vid about what model should be removed from each faction?

[arctic talon]

rippers are very cute

[opaque coyote]

Gun.

[arctic talon]

No

[opaque coyote]

It's the same energy as like

Kirby with a gun

[crystal forum]

i love how nids should genuinely be able to counter space marines but GW has to give them video game weakpoints like tyrants and queens so the marines can do their thing and actually win

[opaque coyote]

But mass produced

You have to admit it is funny

[arctic talon]

tyrants don't work like that in lore

tbf

The way Sm2 is done rather lol

that was so fucking stupid

I cringed so hard

I don't even like nids 💀

[rocky gale]

In it two of the guys were like "Remove Termigaunts, because they shouldn't have guns" and Katie (A Tyranid player) was so betrayed

[arctic talon]

Those carnifexes should have just immedietly fucking mauled everyone to death present

not fall over dead

[arctic talon]

????????????

not the gaunts

the little guys

[opaque coyote]

Honestly in my humble opinion.

The rippers shouldn't have had the biological weapons.

Nah they should have just a glock-19 for no reason

[arctic talon]

smh

[opaque coyote]

The Guardsmen just get shot by a bunch of crustaceans with glocks

[crystal forum]

meanwhile the living artillery cannon is ok

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Termagaunts having guns is fine, i just wish they looked more weird

[rocky gale]

Yea their arguement was that it's fine for the bigger Nids to have guns, but the little guys should be melee only like the Hormigaunts

[storm jungle]

Lmao no

what a dumbass

Gaunts are the lil hype guys to the bigger nids

that is so stupid

[rocky gale]

Katie was horrified by their suggestion

[crystal forum]

probably just a result of barely anybody voting for nids to be removed

[opaque coyote]

That literally against their designs tho

[crystal forum]

and the ones voting being the morons

[arctic talon]

She's right to be

tbh lol

[rocky gale]

Oh no it wasn't a vote, it was just their personal opinions

[arctic talon]

oh

[opaque coyote]

The few women that play Warhammer are often Nid players

I still have zero idea why

I guess because bugs are cool

Which tbf

They are

[rocky gale]

We can relate to them because we also have an unending hunger that drives us to consume all life

[arctic talon]

of the like 6 women I know irl who play 40k 3 are nid players lol

1 of them plays Eldar(all 3 flavors), 1 of them plays marines and 1 of them plays guard lol

So this statistic is clearly correct based on my incredibly limited sample size

[opaque coyote]

...

So diets while pregnant got it.

Seriously I have seen some pregnant woman diets. Wtf is wrong with hormones in general that suddenly makes you hungry for a Jam and Ketchup sandwich

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

Why is the human body made this way

[rocky gale]

Me when I get pregnant and start getting the urge to eat dirt

[opaque coyote]

I think that actually happened low-key

[crystal forum]

the infant requires silica to grow

[rocky gale]

Yep, it's a real thing that can happen

[opaque coyote]

And the funniest part is that after it's all done. You just lose all of the new cravings you got

[cyan merlin]

Just so you’re aware, this message, is the first one I’ve read in this channel, ever.

[opaque coyote]

Welcome to lore chat

[arctic talon]

welcome to lore chat

[opaque coyote]

It only gets worse

[arctic talon]

no it gets better smh

[rocky gale]

It's par the course

[cyan merlin]

I just came here to ask about what assail shards are and then I see THAT

[crystal forum]

im so happy the edgy turkish guy is gone

[arctic talon]

assail shards are the psykers crystalized psychic energy

Tldr its crystalized warp energy and the psykers control it

with their brains

as they chuck it out

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/yondu-arrow-marvel-guardiansofthegalaxy2-ravagers-gif-14617100

🫡

[cyan merlin]

The way they talk to it made me think it’s at least partially automatic

[arctic talon]

they are to an extent

[opaque coyote]

Crystallized psychic energy. That's

That's pretty much it. They cast fucking crystals at you

[cyan merlin]

God assail shards are so cool

[arctic talon]

The psykers charge an object with "their will"

and the assail shards just

go do their thing

technically assail psykers could do it with like

a fucking pebble lol

[opaque coyote]

"STAB THEIR EYE OUT RAA-"

[storm jungle]

Literally what i fantasize whenever I use them since they got added to the game, yondu my goat 🙏 🐐

[opaque coyote]

Which one

[rocky gale]

I think they're based off of Spiteshards from Rogue Trader, they're basically manifestations of their emotions condensed into razor sharp crystals. One of the voices refers to them as "Shards of my hate"

[crystal forum]

don't let all these psyker words distract you from the fact that eisenhorn could make you reveal your most embarrassing dreams

[cyan merlin]

Mortis trials, Scrier’s gaze with the thing that makes you immune to exploding, and the indulgence that gives you shard reload on kill
endless carnage

[cyan merlin]

My most embarrassing dreams would make the weak fall to chaos

[opaque coyote]

Also basically how Psyker powers work in general.

Is that usually low to middle tier Psykers generally pick a path and use spells, which are more like guides on how to use your Psyker energy the most efficiently.

The higher experience and power you have. The more absolute bullshit you can do.

[crystal forum]

possibly the only weak psyker main character in the entirety of 40k

[cyan merlin]

I’m told psykers in-game are pretty much the higher level of psykers that don’t reach godlike territory

Was also told psykers do have an inherent genetic limit

[crystal forum]

the gameplay renders the rejects far more powerful than they'd be in lore

[rocky gale]

They're big, but there's bigger

[arctic talon]

The psykers ingame are like

Oddly scaled

they're very stable lol

is the big thing

but their powers are far weaker

[cyan merlin]

I’m trying to get my hands on the books but I’m as broke as the underhive right now

[crystal forum]

there are many means my friend

[arctic talon]

they're like likely around wyrdvane or higher

[cyan merlin]

If it’s not in my hands I’m not going to be able to focus at length

[arctic talon]

but things like Smite and headburst are

very underpowered compared to lore

where its just

death

[opaque coyote]

Yup. Although, unless you're Emperor tier, the more powerful you are. The more daemons come to match your fre-

I mean eat your soul

[arctic talon]

for the other end of it

[crystal forum]

he doesn't want internet books dilara

[storm jungle]

😔

damn

why dont you motherfuckers read EBOOKS

[cyan merlin]

Good question
I have no idea where a good starting point is
I was told of a book that’s somewhat an anthology of smaller stories that gets you introduced to a couple factions

[opaque coyote]

SILENCE BLACK LIBRARY FAN

A PERSON WHO HAS WATCHED ONLY MAJOR KILL IS TALKING

[crystal forum]

i have resigned myself to audio

[rocky gale]

Because paper is tastier than electronics

[cyan merlin]

Like I said if it’s not in my hands I won’t be able to focus on it for 100+ pages like I like to

Oop

[storm jungle]

Lmao

uhhh

[opaque coyote]

nah just sail the high seas like a rogue trader

[crystal forum]

we have sketchy salesmen in lore chat now this is so peak

[opaque coyote]

Only get malware every once in a whi-

[crystal forum]

this really is the back alley of the server

[cyan merlin]

Oh right I forgot GW doesn’t deserve my money
Thanks for nuking fan projects assholes!
Yar har fiddle tee dee, being a pirate is alright with me, do what you want cuz a pirate is free, you are a pirate!

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside. You can start with whatever faction you're interested in. Eisenhower and Gaunts Ghost are generally good picks.

Just don't start with the Horus Heresy series.

[wheat vector]

Those are my recommendations

[opaque coyote]

Y'know unless if you like reading like 40+ books

Or was it 60+ I genuinely forgor

[crystal forum]

holy fucking shit eisenhower is in 40k now

[opaque coyote]

Wait I think I misspelt a name

Fuck shit

*Eisenhorn

[cyan merlin]

I like the tau
I’m not deluded into thinking they’re the good guys though, I’m well aware of the bullshit

[opaque coyote]

Fuck my memory

[cyan merlin]

I think if I were to play the tabletop I’d be a guard player

[opaque coyote]

You're already more knowledgeable than 70% of the fanbase

Congratulations

🎉

[crystal forum]

you are in for a good time

best faction

[storm jungle]

Basically everyone is bad, just choose your kind of bad guys and roll with it.

[cyan merlin]

“Which flavor of Nazis do you prefer”

[wheat vector]

How can they not be the good guys? They literally work towards "The Greater Good"!

[summer sparrow]

Does gaunts ghosts get better? I started on one of its onimbus 400+page brick and dropped it halfway coz it got a little predictable

[storm jungle]

Imperium Fans in a nutshell btw

[crystal forum]

no

[arctic talon]

my favorite flavor

[storm jungle]

KIIIIINDA, the books are good but im one of the few people that arent a fan of them due to exactly wha tyou just mentioned

[cyan merlin]

Oh yeah that reminds me
Tau’Va is fascinating and I hope they matter more later

I know it probably won’t

[arctic talon]

it might

[cyan merlin]

(Titanfall best PvP shooter ever)

[wheat vector]

Skip book 2, go straight to book 3. Book 2 is short stories that just give us insight into a number of the named Ghosts. Didn't care for book 2, much.

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[summer sparrow]

I see... maybe it's because of its age, it feels kinda 40k-tropey to me because I was simmering in the memes before picking it up

[arctic talon]

its def tropey

early on

imo

[crystal forum]

believe it or not but guard actually have more than gaunt and cain novels

[storm jungle]

^

also its old

like 10+ years

[cyan merlin]

I’m gonna have to rip some 40k tank models for my printer

[rocky gale]

Yea First and Only came out in 1999

[crystal forum]

now that i can help with for free if you desire

[rocky gale]

Gaunts Ghosts is 26 years old

[summer sparrow]

wow that 20+ years

[cyan merlin]

Yes please
Do note I have a resin printer, if that’s a problem

[rocky gale]

You're probably younger than it

[crystal forum]

that's the opposite of a problem

[summer sparrow]

lol no TT

[cyan merlin]

Man I gotta go paint shopping
I used to paint models at school for my D&D club but I don’t own much of my own equipment

[arctic talon]

I started this hobby in 7e

[storm jungle]

Also take this for the journey ahead @cyan merlin

[cyan merlin]

I do straight-up have
“Ultramarine blue” though

[arctic talon]

not that old

but still older

[cyan merlin]

Pfffhahahaha

[storm jungle]

🫡

I joke as most imperial fans arent this bad

but you will see some types

lol

(most will have a space marine pfp)

[cyan merlin]

Good to know

[crystal forum]

i am that bad

[arctic talon]

usually they get murdered irl

[opaque coyote]

I like to believe that

40% of imperial fans at least know that Nazis are bad

...

I hope

[storm jungle]

They dont

💀

[arctic talon]

Its more

unfortunately

the loudest are the uh

[cyan merlin]

Oh yeah the other reason I wanna know more about the lore is because I like doing fanfiction things
I have a space marine chapter idea and I wanna keep it as more accurate as possible

[arctic talon]

[rocky gale]

I've been reading Warhammer since 2008, but didn't actually start collecting until 9th

[crystal forum]

i trust all black templar players

[storm jungle]

If you want condensed stuff

[arctic talon]

neat

[storm jungle]

lexicanum is your friend

[cyan merlin]

You should trust blood ravens

[arctic talon]

Lexicanum is so good

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chapter

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Marines

this is THE MOST condensed lore you are gonna get

[crystal forum]

i have never met a blood raven player

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1397722154329440347/dsc-0071-photoroom-copy.jpg?ex=6882c1b2&is=68817032&hm=d022386e6331f30e0c61c91e3d12b191be365f12fe2a49acd4a30306eaa1f1ef&=&format=webp

Amogus space wolf

[rocky gale]

The library in my town used to have a bunch of 40k books for some reason

[cyan merlin]

Main issue is that the idea I had is uh, highly unorthodox

[storm jungle]

Tell us

the council will decide your fate

[crystal forum]

space marines with multilas

[sonic cloak]

Best we can do is Space Marines, with mullets.

[cyan merlin]

Salamander successor chapter
due to both the sheer number of salamander successor chapters and their lowly-populated homeworld they were forced to deal with excessive material shortages and had to get really really good at scavenging for armor and weapons off the battlefield
They also use a shitton of lasguns because they need to conserve ammo as much as possible

Not xenos stuff, I know that’s heresy

[storm jungle]

Bruh thats it?

scavenging is like very normal lmao

[cyan merlin]

No there’s more I’m just being conserved

[arctic talon]

give it to us all, I am 100% sure I've read worse

that I've written

[cyan merlin]

They also tend to have a bunch of imperial guardsmen from their homeworld to fill in the gaps in their firepower

[lament shoal]

I mean even xenos stuff would be fine when it comes to space marines. The marines in the deathwatch sometimes use necron weapons lol

[cyan merlin]

And since they’re salamander successors they take keeping their guard buddies alive quite seriously

[storm jungle]

Yeah so using armed men is against Chapter rules generally, it counts as army-building in the eye of Imperial branches, BUT you can keep them as like serfs under quotations

[plush mason]

the more i learn about trench crusade the more it just becomes "insanely evil looking faction with all kinds of crimes against nature and humanity, why yes we are the followers of Christ why do you ask?"

[storm jungle]

BUT id say look up the Mentors

they actually have serfs that do some field duty stuff

like piloting vehicles or doing recon/logistics help with the marines they get attached to

[crystal forum]

they could officially call them a PDF on whatever planet they're based

[opaque coyote]

I think one of the cool things in the Alpha Legion that aren't Alpharius related is their usage of mortal operators.

At least back in 30k

[plush mason]

the space wolves have serfs that are armed iirc

[opaque coyote]

Essentially they actually do treat them well but it's more out of pragmatic decisions

[plush mason]

they act as a guard force for their fortress monastery

[opaque coyote]

Because you don't want an operator giving out secrets cause they got fucked over

[cyan merlin]

Again I’m lacking a lot of details
Somewhat because I have a headache and can’t recall everything but also because this is my first time presenting it to anyone that actually knows anything about 40k lore and I’m shy about it

[opaque coyote]

I always found that to be pretty neat

[opaque coyote]

Don't worry about it. Honestly, part of the fun of home brewing is to go outside the norms.

[crystal forum]

space marines armed with lasguns would be very funny to see

[opaque coyote]

I think somebody made a cat maid SM chapter. The art is legit good

[crystal forum]

other chapters would laugh at them lol

[opaque coyote]

I remember that being in a book

[crystal forum]

bolters arent like hyper rare

[opaque coyote]

I forgot what it's name is

[cyan merlin]

Something important to note is that in the 42nd millennium they said “Fuck you” and turned traitor… But they haven’t been tainted by chaos
They’re still loyal to the emperor but they want nothing to do with the imperium
Largely because they’re disgusted by the quality of life of the average imperial citizen

[crystal forum]

ah so renegades

that's respectable

[storm jungle]

Yeah that would probably be a problem

[opaque coyote]

Renegades. Neat

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

a lot of people dont realize that when you break the rules of the imperium enough then you should just go ahead and do renegades

[opaque coyote]

Makes sense that they would use Lasguns given the fact that most Renegades turn to Chaos partially due to supply issue.

[cyan merlin]

Actually they somewhat specialize in fighting against chaos because they love recovering tainted wargear

[crystal forum]

that might be a problem since chaos wargear can be tainted or even cursed

especially chaos space marine stuff

[cyan merlin]

If GW can find a way to handwave their own rules so can I

[opaque coyote]

Would be an interesting conflict.

The danger of being corrupted

And forgetting their original goals

But they are also desperate enough to steal chaos stuff

[crystal forum]

like a lot of chaos rhinos and raiders are straight up controlled by demons

[opaque coyote]

Since it's a dice roll on whether it's just a rusted Bolter

...or a weapon that is screaming with the souls of the damned waiting to use their host as a meat puppet

It's just like gambling!

[cyan merlin]

In which case they’ll recycle it for raw material rather than trying to recover it

Their battle barges have weapon forges for repurposing raw metals

[opaque coyote]

Yeah unfortunately due to being

Chaotic. That's uh

Hard

Considering said Daemon possessed things are usually

Alive

Like they're literally metal creatures

Wanting to murder

And screaming because they've been forced into a fucking tank instead of a proper host

[rocky gale]

The "My guys are non-chaos renegades because they dislike the Imperium" is pretty common first custom chapter. But if you like it then go for it.

[opaque coyote]

Just because an idea is often used doesn't mean it's bad

[rocky gale]

I know

Nothing wrong with the classics, just letting the guy know

[opaque coyote]

Yeah ikyk

This is more a general reminder to anybody else reading.

And also to myself because I forget occasionally

[cyan merlin]

Yeah that’s why I didn’t want that to be their only defining feature
They do things with their weapons and tanks that some might call tech-heresy

And they do have a lot of techmarines
A friend of mine even drew a techmarine terminator

[opaque coyote]

Tech Heresy is pretty indefinite.

It ranges from literally upgrading and making new shit.

To... Taping on a flashlight to your Bolter because you want some light

The Mechanicus isn't exactly consistent with it's own ruleset

Just ask Cawl

[crystal forum]

you could also have them fighting loyalist chapters if you really want the whole scavenging thing

that's what night haunters do

[cyan merlin]

Pretty much every 40k lore short I’ve seen was Cawl reasoning why he hasn’t committed tech heresy

[crystal forum]

also if you want good inspiration for renegades try reading soul drinkers

i love them so much

[opaque coyote]

Nah Cawl definitely knows he is.

He's just trying to get the Mechanicus leadership off of his back.

Tbf it's easy because they're too busy arguing with each other

[cyan merlin]

They try not to, they don’t like the imperium but they also don’t want to hinder it
As of now it is the one thing keeping humanity alive

[opaque coyote]

[cyan merlin]

Other than the necrons they decided to keep humans as pets

[opaque coyote]

Doesn't mean that accidental encounters won't happen though.

Since Loyalists hate traitors for

Obvious

Reasons

Hell you could have Loyalists bring the fight to them

[cyan merlin]

Oh, yeah, not saying it doesn’t happen, just that they try to avoid it
They only fight loyalists in self-defense
Even then they ignore little people like guardsmen that aren’t a huge threat

[fossil current]

Would you say Arbitrators are much stronger than standard guardsmen? I know they have better gear but would it take multiple guardsmen to win?

[cyan merlin]

Depends on the regiment probably

[fossil current]

I thought that too, like Catachans are absurd

[cyan merlin]

Wish GW would give us something other than Cadians

[opaque coyote]

Not that much stronger.

In an 1v1, the Arbitrator has the advantage but it's not like an SM. A guardsman could still kill em with some lasgun shots

[fossil current]

I love steel legion, but I don’t think they have any real advantages over Arbitrators

[opaque coyote]

I would say if you had to put it in numbers

1:2

Two guard for every Arbitrator

[fossil current]

Fair, fair.

[crystal forum]

you're already a proper guard player

[fossil current]

I’ve been going back and forth between rogue trader and darktide, playing my arbites-boy and blasting demons with a shotguns got me loving the faction

[crystal forum]

you can't go soft man. renegades in 40k get hounded by the imperium even harder than chaos

if they won't attack space marines then space marines will come to get them

without the help of chaos then renegades are usually short lived with no long term survival. happened to soul drinkers

[storm jungle]

tbh

We got renegades that lasted longer like Ashen Claws

you just need the right excuse for it lol

[crystal forum]

yeah and they got away by raiding literally everyone in sight

including loyalists

[storm jungle]

Not really, they target non-imperium targets a lot too

the book goes into it

anyway I got a loyalist Chapter that mostly gets away with stuff due to just having stewardship over a sector on the edges of Segmentum Obscurus

so you just need a good narrative reasoning

but your Chapter needs to be loyal to the Imperium somewhat for them to survive essentially

you also HAVE to give them some bad/evil qualities

[crystal forum]

this all depends on if the imperium considers the chapter to be traitor

[storm jungle]

tbh they have considered more loyal chapters traitors sometimes

so it checks out lol

[arctic talon]

The Ashen Claws have lasted so long since they're in the ass end of nowhere

tbh

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[arctic talon]

They're very cool though

[rocky gale]

My renegades believe they're Blood Angels who don't suffer from the Black Rage because they were forgiven by Sanguinius. It caused them to go off the deep end with their pride, believing they could do no wrong. They have now like almost completely fell to Slaanesh but refuse to acknowledge it.

[storm jungle]

for example my Chapter the Aurum Sons got some good ideals but uhhh

the problem is they are blood angels

and they wanna drink blood

[cyan merlin]

See that’s the other thing, I’ve no idea what’s already been done

[storm jungle]

so they send their serfs out to essentially enslave "bad people" or what they consider to be bad en-masse

keep them in dungeons under their monastery

and drink/feed on them lol

[cyan merlin]

I even googled about traitor legions that weren’t tainted by chaos and I didn’t see ANYTHING about renegades

[storm jungle]

Renegades barely get lore due to low market value

[crystal forum]

in time i feel like it still catches up with you. the NL trilogy follows the guys who have been doing pillaging for 10k years and were reduced to a handful of marines with shit gear

[storm jungle]

people always wanna jerk off to loyalists more

[storm jungle]

but thos eare night lords

they also are dumbasses

[crystal forum]

that is true

[storm jungle]

gottem

basically yeah renegadism is hard work, id say just make a loyalist chapter but make the ideas you got somehow work

theres a lot of ways for it

[cyan merlin]

Behold, the 500th loyalist chapter!
They’re the ultramarines but WORSE and also PURPLE and they have slightly more librarians!

[crystal forum]

seriously though read soul drinkers i love them

[arctic talon]

Ashen Claws are like

the most Renegade lore

lol

aside from that

[crystal forum]

SOUL DRINKERS

[arctic talon]

uhhhhhhhh

[rocky gale]

Spoiler they don't have the Black Rage because they aren't Blood Angels, they don't know this though and doesn't stop them guzzling down the red stuff.

[arctic talon]

Yeah soul drinkers

[crystal forum]

fuck you

[arctic talon]

okay thats really good lol

[crystal forum]

stop toying with me

[storm jungle]

Yeah you can make "good guy" marines but it has a lot of pitfalls, you can avoid it still by giving them some evil/bad guy aspects while keeping true to their ideals somewhat.

A lot of canon chapters are pure mary sue material lol

[crystal forum]

soul drinkers straight up hated the imperium but still thought the emperor was the best chad

[cyan merlin]

The way I wanted my guys to survive was by having a massive fleet with everything they could carry from their homeworld
Whenever the imperium bears down on them the fleet scatters and regroups elsewhere
Naturally that also means the entire fleet’s strength is enough to bring an entire planet to its knees in a matter of hours… If they had the imperium’s supplies, and they were all military personnel, which they don’t, and they aren’t

[storm jungle]

yeah so fleet-based Chapter

[crystal forum]

man dont give them a bigger fleet than black templars

[storm jungle]

also yeah you should keep the fleet medium sized, evne 2 space marine bargers can flatten most important essentialls on a planet

read em up a bit and settle on a size from there

it should be at least below 20

[crystal forum]

i'm just going by the idea that they're meant to be low on supplies

[cyan merlin]

It’s not just the marine’s fleet, it’s also their homeworld, and their guardsmen, and a few rogue traders they paid off

[crystal forum]

they wont have many ships at all if they're really doing bad

or they'd have a bunch of converted civilian and navy ships

[storm jungle]

"a few" rogue traders would be a lot, even a single one

they are extremely influential people, it would get accused as an attempt at empire building

[storm jungle]

^^^^

a ship is as good as its captain

[cyan merlin]

Would it? I was under the impression they were basically mercenaries

[storm jungle]

They are privateers

[crystal forum]

rogue traders are the ones who buy the mercenaries

[storm jungle]

a rogue trader is basically really lucky or extremely rich arrogant imperials who are just spanish colonizers/conquistadors

[cyan merlin]

See this is why I wanted to learn about the lore
Because I knew a lot of my idea would be a lot of bullshit

[crystal forum]

rogue traders are narratively like inquisitors if they were solely focused on profit

they amass big followings

or you could have minor ones but why bother at that point

[cyan merlin]

They just need ships they don’t have to be powerhouses

[storm jungle]

I think you should go wih something along these lines

You already got a massive advantage by making them Salamander successors, they could maybe be seen by an influential random-name Salamander techmarine or Chapter officials as their parent-chapter following some engagement that devastated them/be assisted in and have the blessing on the way they operate by having some engineering knowledge down to them to explain how thye keep supplies up while also having their fleet escorted by smaller re-purposed navy/civillian vessels.

The scavenging aspect comes when them come across abandoned void-depots, outposts or simply assisting the Imperium in battles in return for rights of salvage and supplies or battlemateiral.

https://tenor.com/view/so-what-agree-maybe-columbo-gif-18453480

Sometimes even my own genius scares me

[cyan merlin]

They do get super excited about space hulks
Get right on that shit

[crystal forum]

the way the NL trilogy does it is that actual space marine ships are treated like rare relics while they claim a bunch of civilian ships for their needs

[rocky gale]

Yea, basically they realised they didn't suffer from the Black Rage and split into two factions, one side that thought they were being punished and those who thought they were being forgiven. Their Chapter Master recalled them all to their Homeworld to try and settle the divide and figure out what was going on, then a Warp storm isolated the planet from the wider Imperium, the Chapter Master was assassinated and the two sides ended up in a civil war which ravaged their world. The ones who thought they were being punished lost and fled the planet through the Warp Storms and managed to reconnect with the Imperium, becoming The Forsaken a Penitent Crusading Chapter. By the time the Warp Storms abated the planet was empty, the Forgiven had vanished, they'd already moved on and were trying to establish their own domain. (The Original chapter also used to be called The Forbearers)

[crystal forum]

READ SOUL DRINKERS

[cyan merlin]

I willlll
Just need to do some piracy

I don’t know where to find books
I pirated all my D&D books off a github thing I dunno where to find anything else

[crystal forum]

i need to find those images i posted years ago from the book

[cyan merlin]

A narrative beat I did want to have is that the imperium doesn’t know they’re renegades for a long while
A lot of asking “What the fuck are they doing?” Before the realization dawns and the news spreads

[crystal forum]

this is from soul drinkers

[cyan merlin]

Oh