40k-lore-chat

[rose thorn]

lmao

[arctic talon]

But their preferred weapon was the pyroclast flame projector

[sly ivy]

Lmfao

[arctic talon]

which was not humane

[rose thorn]

god these models look like shit htough

[arctic talon]

because its a flamethrower

[arctic talon]

and because its designed to use a volatile mix of chemicals

that are highly volatile and toxic

[rose thorn]

peak

[arctic talon]

The smoke they produce is insanely toxic and acidic

also it can serve as a melta as well

[rose thorn]

what are some other 'too evil to live' parts of loyalist chapters

[sly ivy]

Mfw this was my entry 2 the hobby

[arctic talon]

Space sharks were exiled Terran legionaries. The remaining Terran legionaries for the Raven guard got slowly killed off because of how much they enjoyed torture, slavery Ect.

[rose thorn]

yee, and there is the other raven guard space pirates

[arctic talon]

Yeah the ashen claws

Though those weren’t all Terran legionaries

The space sharks were explicitly a massively problematic group

[rose thorn]

lmao

[arctic talon]

In terms of their behavior

I mean

Cutting out all your prisoners tongues

And enslaving them is uh

Not kosher by RG standards lol

The Nemesis’s for the ultramarines were just a bunch of psychos who loved death and suffering and were also the ultramarines destroyers. Guilliman hated them and essentially never used them till the heresy broke out and they really really really enjoyed killing other marines.

Anyways they survived the heresy and formed their own chapter

The Nemesis chapter(really creative I know)

Where they continue to be a bunch of psychopathic mass murdering assholes

Who really really really like massacres

[rose thorn]

peak

[arctic talon]

Blood angels had the surviving Terran legionaries who rejected sanguinius’s reforms on cannibalism and succession who continued the whole, kill all survivors and eat them policy and forcing new marines to ritualistically eat older dead ones to pass on the entire marines mind to the next. They were basically being slowly hunted down throughout the great crusade until the heresy broke out and their “unique” training methods found use in getting more marines for the meat grinder

They ended up becoming the flesh tearers and flesh eaters

Imperial fists had no one because imperial fists are the most boring chapter in existence/j

No but seriously they had nothing like this

Iron Hands had the Red Talons who were again, a bunch of psychopathic mass murdering assholes

They dropped a moon

On an allied force of other marines and Solar auxilia

While they were also on said planet

[sour hornet]

"Mfw this was my entry 2 the hobby"

[dapper gyro]

I agree, BT are boring.

[median star]

decrepit

[arctic talon]

bro do your bones creak when you stand up

[dapper gyro]

What bone is there to crack?

[green loom]

(as an extra thing, these are all considered mass murdering psychos by the standards of the mass murder psychos)

[sly ivy]

Every time

[nocturne crest]

Is there any new too evil to be loyalist chapters since the primaris came about?

[languid meadow]

Marines malevolent are still around and still being evil iirc

[nocturne crest]

For some reason, the Covent of fire comes to mind, but I don't know if there are that evil.

[arctic talon]

Black vipers murder anyone who dig into their activities including the salamander chaplain sent to teach them the promethean creed

[nocturne crest]

Weird.

[storm jungle]

Hold on I got a hilarious one

[languid meadow]

Another inquisition W

now kill them

[storm jungle]

[languid meadow]

I meant kill the chapter

[storm jungle]

Dont do it, they are based!!!

[languid meadow]

I like their colour scheme

boring ass symbol however

[nocturne crest]

New question because of this conversation. Where the hell did the Libators come from in the ultramarines legion.

Ultramar eaters

[arctic talon]

The Libators spawned likely from one of the fringe predator fleets or some other less connected group

that wasn't a core chapter

Also their culture may have developed over time post split

[outer wave]

What if the Bringers of Justice found weakness in their ranks? Would they just kill themselves?

[arctic talon]

10,000 years is a long ass time

[arctic talon]

no because they aren't citizens

Therfore they only need to purge the one weak member

(the answer is hipocracy)

[outer wave]

Make me chapter master and I'll make it happen

[mossy peak]

i heard cassia properly built would ruin the game and that’s why i didn’t want to look up a guide for her

[young pecan]

This lung cancer sucks but man I fucking love torching civilians too much to stop

[young pecan]

I personally just made my own build and it turned out powerful

Just because I took the time investment to read literally every talent first though

I was salty because the game asked me if I was sure I wanted to try above the medium difficulty

Tooting its own horn like "The game is PLENTY hard already trust me bro"

And I get to a major boss fight and fucking collapse him first turn

[nocturne crest]

I got a dumb question based on Star Trek. If one of the dead primarchs got brought back to life, but only had memories of the imperium before Horus turned traitor and the legions being split into chapters, who would anyone pick?

[dapper gyro]

Knowing how to read is really a pro gamer ability.

[dapper gyro]

Revive one of them for what though?

Making Chaos stronger? Apharius.

[spare osprey]

BRINGERS OF JUDGEMENT MENTIONED

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[nocturne crest]

And loyalist?

[humble shoal]

I think fulgrim

So there could be 3 of him

[dapper gyro]

Either Dorn or Sanguinius

[humble shoal]

Dorn might not be dead

Id bring back horus lupercal

[dapper gyro]

They say to revive one of the dead one... Fulgim is not...

[humble shoal]

Tocmake the inquisition schismcevencworse

[radiant lance]

Unless it says they died, they're definitely alive waiting until GW brings them back
Even if they're dead, they might come back

[dapper gyro]

And then you try to correct me on Dorn... which used to be dead... he still is, but used to, too.

[humble shoal]

Didnt dorn just vanish

Sans hand

[radiant lance]

What exactly is going to happen with Vulkan and Daddy Emps at the heat death of the universe?
Or do those just not count anymore since we have the warp just putting more energy into the universe

[dapper gyro]

Dude tried to do solo, his boys tried to save him, found nothing but a hand.

[humble shoal]

Yeah I realize I read it wrong and swapped to horus

[mossy peak]

i tried to go to the difficulty above normal and the chaos spawn in the intro kicked my face in and i immediately went back down

[humble shoal]

To make a schism in the inquisition

[dapper gyro]

Horus before he fall... seeing the current state of the imperium, he would join the Imperium, lol.

[mossy peak]

nah it’s always a black templar fan

[humble shoal]

With an army of horusian inquisitors

[humble shoal]

Mortifactors are a white based chapter

Because their planet has no sun

Also they wear skulls and therefore are white

[dapper gyro]

Meanwhile, Manus might join with Fulgrim...

[humble shoal]

Doubt it...

[sour hornet]

This paint scheme fucks

I like the layout

Reminds me of Clan Wolf's beta galaxy scheme

except reversed

with a colored top and steel bottom

I love my color blocking

[outer wave]

This fucks

[rose thorn]

Wolf clanner spotted

[frosty wind]

except lamenters

[opaque coyote]

It partially feels weird because I'm like

"Holy shit how did we find any of this funny"

I like inbetween

If that makes any sense

Like I don't like the Malevolent because despite how funny they are

Uh

That's all their shtick is

"Wow you're a dick. Amazing."

I do like the Minotaurs cause they got more than just being absolute assholes

Also because we can agree that stealing is aweso-

[mossy peak]

what the fuck is that 😭

[vagrant fox]

The funniest Blood Angels
Sent to stop a brewing Imperial civil war and decide the best way to end a civil war is to get one side to nuke the other
Everything is solved in a few hours for the measly price of nuclear armageddon and 40 billion dead
But oh no our honour, we attacked Space Wolves once

[mossy peak]

imperium casualty counts puts feudal china to shame

[vagrant fox]

As it should

[opaque coyote]

"Planetary Governor goes to the toilet"

"20 million civilians die"

(the toilet was inefficient and flooded the underhive which is also the sewage system)

[outer wave]

Dire Wolf, 100 ton assault Clan Omnimech

[mossy peak]

doesnt look 40k at all

[outer wave]

Its not

Its from Battletech

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dire_Wolf_(Daishi)

[mossy peak]

oh word

[arctic talon]

Battlepeak

[outer wave]

True!

I desire to ride an Executioner again

Or a Charger

[vagrant fox]

Something about mechs, don't know what it is, I rarely think they look good

[outer wave]

Just generally or BT specifically?

[vagrant fox]

Generally, Crimson Typhoon from Pacific Rim gets a soft pass

[sour hornet]

I love my clan mechs

[outer wave]

God I miss my Linebacker

This shit is so peak

[sour hornet]

Based and uncommon linebacker gigachad spotted

[outer wave]

That one up there was armed with 8 medium heavy lasers

[sour hornet]

I love my timby

[outer wave]

4 ER PPCs, 2 LRM 20s, and whats the middle?

15s*

[sour hornet]

3x ER-PPC 2x ER-ML and 2x LRM-15

[opaque coyote]

Hive MFS be like

[sour hornet]

Clans is more restrictive about internals

[outer wave]

Niiiice

I also used the Executioner

[rose thorn]

Scorpion Empire supremacy part 530

[outer wave]

It was the hero Cherbi from MWO: 1 UAC-20, 2 SRM-6s with Artermis, and 3 small pulse lasers

I wanna brawl so bad.....

[mossy peak]

😭 i just came across it myself

[opaque coyote]

I want to find some cursed 40k figurines

For shits and giggles

Le.me find some photos

[sour hornet]

Bro I had a stormcrow with a cluster of 5 or 6 ER-ML solely for headsniping

[opaque coyote]

...

💀

[sour hornet]

Let me see

x5 ER-ML x2 S-SRM6 x1 LRM-20

[sour hornet]

that thing was ravenous

[outer wave]

Damn the Stormcrow can carry all that?

I used it a few times

[sour hornet]

Oh yeah

[outer wave]

Just the base chassis with like 2 heavy medium lasers and 3 ER mediums

[opaque coyote]

Don't do Chaos kids.

[sour hornet]

The stormcrow is perhaps my favorite medium in the setting

its just a tank

Only the phoenix hawk comes close for me

[sour hornet]

This Stormcrow literally cannot overheat on tabletop which i find hilarious

[outer wave]

Favorite clan medium is either the Hunchback IIC, the Nova, or the Ice Ferret

[opaque coyote]

And finally

[outer wave]

Ice Ferret is a funny brawler

[opaque coyote]

"I'M THE TRASH MAN"

[outer wave]

He got his wings for his duty....

[sour hornet]

The Nova is particularly funny

especially in mechwarrior

[outer wave]

Its great

[sour hornet]

Definitely the easiest mech to hand to noobs, as long as you tell them about weapon cycling

x12 ER-ML is... definitely a loadout lmfao

[outer wave]

Its just putting one arm to 1 and the other to 2 and you should be okay

Otherwise, fuck everything in front of you and yourself

I wish heavy lasers were easier to boat

God you know I'd boat those on everything if I could

[sour hornet]

I boated a shit ton of those in my direwolf

Something like three per arm plus a medium laser

[outer wave]

I really wanted to boat heavy large lasers onto a Warhammer IIC

[sour hornet]

So x6 ER-LL, x4 ER-ML, x3 S-SRM6

[outer wave]

Nice nice

Decent sniper from it sounds with good backup

[sour hornet]

Yeah, especially with backup, youre kinda fucked if you over position though

[outer wave]

I imagine

[sour hornet]

That's the clan mech problem though

I was in love with the warhammer, but my piloting skills were poor

so I kept getting my arms blown off

😦

[outer wave]

Damn

It IS squishy

[sour hornet]

I saw "70 tons" and "warhammer" ans somehow though I could pull my grasshopper shenanigans

I could not, in fact, pull grasshopper shenanigans

[outer wave]

Just use the calvary mechs like Gargoyle or Summoner (or Grand Summoner if you count that)

[sour hornet]

Garg is overlooked

[outer wave]

On BT its apparently really cheap

So thats cool

MWO, its definitely a meme

Funny meme though

[sour hornet]

^

My favorite heavy though

Gas gotta go to the ebon jag

Jag

though...

Its kind of a toss up

[outer wave]

I got one loaded with 2 LBX-2s and 2 ATM-3s

[sour hornet]

Ebon Jaguar, Linebacker, Mad Dog in no particular order

They're so good

[outer wave]

Those are pretty cool

[sour hornet]

I love my fast heavy hitters

[outer wave]

I enjoy fast fellas for some reason

[sour hornet]

The black lanner is my secret passion

[outer wave]

If I could make my Charger go faster for any reason, I'd take it

[sour hornet]

I love that over engined piece of shit

[outer wave]

I LOVE OVER-ENGINED PIECES OF SHIT

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

In mercenaries, I love refitting my chargers more sensibly and turning them into close ranged brawlers with SRMs med lasers and autocannons

My AI pilots are so good with them for some reason

[outer wave]

Me using the equipment mods to turn my 80 ton piece of shit to an 80 ton piece of shit with MASC, Supercharger, reinforced armor, and a giant battleaxe

[sour hornet]

Until you have seen an 80 ton Charger turn on MASC and sprint down your light mechs, you have not known fear

[outer wave]

What a based feature of the Charger: charging down small mechs to terrify them

[sour hornet]

^ and to violently and brutally beat them to death

with its fists

[outer wave]

God I love that thing

Unironically a good way to use the Ice Ferret

Chasing down Locusts never felt so good

Im looking back at the Cherbi and ouuuughhh....

[sour hornet]

Capellan affiliated?

[outer wave]

Oh my guild? I left that a while ago and Ive been lone wolfing it

I wasnt really using the guild for anything so I was fine with it

[sour hornet]

No no

Capellans are based

Long live

House Liao

[outer wave]

Long live future North Korea........

😔

[opaque coyote]

I am a weird person

This is obvious to anybody who is a frequenter here.

And one of my weird fascinations is with

North Korea

For some reason the DPRK is something that I research

I don't know why my neurodivergent autistic ADHD ridden ass decided to hold onto that as a topic instead of

Idk

Math

Science

Something productive

But hey

Did you know that they have a bootleg Godzilla which is based on a Korean Mythological creature called Pulgasari.

It's a rare case where people know more about the movie's background instead of the actual movie. But tbf it is also wild.

It could be seen as a criticism of the Kim Regime that the Director sneaked in there

Which proves that any dictator has

Zero media literacy

Actually that goes for most fascist or communist supporters

[outer wave]

North Korea culture is so weird

[opaque coyote]

It... 100% is

[outer wave]

Its very sheltered and basically a time capsule in its own right

[opaque coyote]

On one hand it is obviously horrific

And

Cruel

But on the other hand, it's a time capsule into like

1900's communist regimes

If it wasn't actually real. It would've been cool as a fictional book or something

But it is real which just makes it really depressing

[outer wave]

Mhmmm

And the worst bit is even after that regime dies off

Those people are mostly programmed to follow that dictatorship

[opaque coyote]

Listening to the defector stories is just

Like, I believe it is important. But at the same time, only watch it on like

The day time

With a dog or something to cuddle with

Because it instantly ruins my day every time I watch them

[outer wave]

Yeah I imagine

Its never fun

[opaque coyote]

There does exist outside media smuggled in

Despite threat of execution

In fact, the executions imply it is a problem.

Apparently it's illegal to listen to K-Pop

[outer wave]

Didnt they have a K-pop concert in NK like a couple years back

[opaque coyote]

Yeah they uh

contradict themselves a lot

Y'know doublethink?

Yeah that applies to North Korea

[dapper gyro]

NK is 99% rules for you but not for me.

[opaque coyote]

Even their fake historical narratives are inconsistent

Kim is actually trying to make himself look slightly less than a God.

Only slightly though

In that he actually does

Shit.

mindblowing IK

[outer wave]

Does he really do anything though, aside from sending NK civvies to Russia for a variety of reasons?

[opaque coyote]

Also y'know the director for the Godzilla bootleg?

He and his wife actually recorded conversations and stuff with Kim Jong Il.

And it's... actually pretty interesting.

He hated all of the cult of personality shit he had to do.

He was also delusional enough to think that the Director and his wife

who he had

kidnapped btw

and sent to a labor camp for a bit for punishment

were friends with him

Like he thought of them as friends.

Because their careers were kinda failing. That's how he managed to kidnap them in the first place.

By faking an interview for a new opportunity

But now they were the most famous directors in North Korea!

[outer wave]

Considering it sounds from this conversation its one of the few times he can just be himself, I cant blame him feeling that way

[opaque coyote]

Living lavishly!

[outer wave]

It sounded like he was lonely at the top

[opaque coyote]

It reminds you that even the worst dictators

Are human.

...

[outer wave]

Absolutely

Still hate them

Fuck 'em

[opaque coyote]

and that just makes them even more rephrensible.

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah btw, he's actually complaining about how Russia is treating his soldiers.

Mainly because Russia sends any foreign soldiers out as uh

cannon fodder

[outer wave]

Thats just most of their soldiers

[opaque coyote]

well yeah

but anybody who isn't Slav is the cannon fodder... for the cannon fodder

Basically the penal legions for the guardsmen

[outer wave]

Not even, people outside of the rich important whiter cities? Used as meatshields

[dapper gyro]

Yes, it is fucking hypocrite from Kim.

[opaque coyote]

Hypocritical 100%

But also speaks to how Russia treats it's soldiers

How the fuck do you make a dictator of a feudalist state complain about how you're treating their soldiers?

[dapper gyro]

Like, say, in 2nd Indo-Chine war, Vietnam did use the human wave tactic, literally because there were nothing else that we can do.

[opaque coyote]

That must mean that shit is bad

[dapper gyro]

And we don't dismiss that, because it would be disrespectful to lie to those who fallen.

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah in both a slightly sad, but honestly mostly funny story.

Some guy in America moved to Russia because America was too woke

...

he was drafted for the ukranian war, he apparently thought he could get in as a war photographer.

His wife put out a video that got taken down by the Russian Government

[outer wave]

Classic and Ive been hearing a couple stories that are similar

[opaque coyote]

Apparently now his wife is also drinking away the pain while the husband most likely is dead

Owning the liberals ig

💀

I would have sympathy but I'm drained out

[outer wave]

Its been a long few years now

I also dont have much sympathy for folks like that

[opaque coyote]

Mine got drained in only 6 months of his presidency

[outer wave]

I cant blame ya

[opaque coyote]

also Mike Johnson shutted the US House until September to avoid any Epstein list release vote

no corruption in the slightest

anyways that's enough politics

[outer wave]

Mhmmm, fuck your admin

But yeah

[opaque coyote]

Been playing Terraria recently

Whoever made the Old Ones event as grindy as it is should be fired

jesus

also trying to get 100% achievements

not really for any reason

just want to

[winter vessel]

ew

[winter pine]

nope totally nothing to see here, move along citizen

[opaque coyote]

Also

Tzeentchian cultists be like:

Kairos made a YT channel

Also ofc the negative video has literally 2x the views

God dammit algorithms

[opaque coyote]

also

out of context comic panel

[queen laurel]

i mean it's jonah

[winter vessel]

JJJ: "Spider-Man ends loving marriage...P.S she's taking the kids"

[queen laurel]

It's within his expected purview to think of many things about Spider-Man

[opaque coyote]

also the only good change in the mainline comics is that J Jonah Jameson actually found out who Spiderman is

and became an ally

so far they haven't reverted it

so far

the scene itself of him finding out is pretty good also

[winter vessel]

damn, i just had a whole team of Symbiote in marvel rivalss. Venom, along with Symbiote Storm, Symbiote Squirrel Girl, and Symbiote Jeff

[opaque coyote]

Also the funniest part of JJ's history in the main comics is that after his wife died, Jonah actually tried to like

treat spiderman as a hero because his wife's dying words was to no longer waste his life with hate

...it just so happened that soon after that, Spiderman got his mind swapped with Doc Ock

and then Spiderman fucking blackmails him

Imagine having everyone tell you that

"This guy's a hero, you're just being delusional"

You finally give him a chance

...

and he immediately blackmails and threatens your family

[winter vessel]

the comic where Peter has had "Enough" and gives Fisk an old school ass whooping, while in prison, is still my favorite.

[opaque coyote]

I mean it was after Aunt May got fucking shot by an assassin Fisk sent

also

american politics

and finally...

Freakseid

[opaque coyote]

okay just one more

...yeah this is just me

[winter vessel]

so long as it ends the indulgence of political discussion. I'm still on tense terms for what my in-law did in this chat

[opaque coyote]

oh

sorry

[winter vessel]

If you recall a couple weeks back my "profile" was doing that whole tirade regarding political stuff getting all uppity on Jay and expressing their religion...

that was my sister in law

she's...eccentric. Sometimes i'd let her borrow my rig to play Sims 4 when she's visiting. But, she overstepped a boundary and decided to get involved in one of the many off topics that occur in this chat.

[opaque coyote]

oh

huh

I did not know that

[amber lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[opaque coyote]

[winter vessel]

I just, never bothered to bring it up till now since it was a tough family conflict

so. tldr, all the messages that regard to her belief and association that was spoken through my profile. not me, her

[opaque coyote]

including being non-denominational christian?

[winter vessel]

yes. Now don't get it wrong, I also follow that path, as do the rest of my blood. But she is how you say, the type to go into public places and openly professing it. you know the type.

and that unfortunately gives us reserve folk a bad rep

[opaque coyote]

I hope you're not lying, but also, if you are telling the truth.

o o f.

I'm sorry that happened to you man

This is why I keep my shit password locked

[winter vessel]

believe it or don't, i've learned to let go and move on from it, as she has done as well. its none of ours or anyone's business to be caught up in "who said what". It impedes growth of one's maturity. I have my opinion, as do you and many others in what goes on in the chat. but, at the end of the day, it won't matter.

as the words of Alex Winter and Keanu Reeves once said "Be excellent to each other and party on, dudes!"

as comical as it sounds

[opaque coyote]

Good on you man.

[winter vessel]

appreciate your understanding. Now, moving away from this depressing matter

Finally decided to give Furiosa: a mad max saga a watch yesterday

and I was genuinely impressed with how convincing Chris can pull off being an antagonist

[opaque coyote]

It is supposed to be a prequel for Fury Road?

At least that's what I assume judging from the name

god I sound like an NPC rn

[celest dome]

Yes

[winter vessel]

yes. Focusing on Charlize Theron's character from fury road. From her Origin to the events that lead up to her Escape with the 5 wives

[opaque coyote]

I'm gonna add it to the

list

(tm)

AKA shows I need to wathc

[winter vessel]

and if you've played the Mad Max game, or at least watch it/heard of it, there is some minor connections to it with the prequel

[hollow rivet]

Is WarhammerTV any good?

[plush mason]

bro is just a conspiracy theorist and i love it

just pure and simple obsession driven by envy and anger

[celest dome]

In fairness, if you knew that some animals do communicate with an animal themed Super hero, wouldn't you start to assume all animal themed super hero can talk to their respective animals ?

[dire loom]

@celest dome got any chaos Arbites?

[arctic talon]

If you want the content yes absolutely

Other wise it’s eh

Not bad

Not great

[dire loom]

Rouge Trader says it's possible.

[arctic talon]

It’s possible in dark heresy

[dire loom]

Veru good.

I think I'll just play as Arbites for all human factions.

Enforcing whatever Lex is placed by said factions etc.

Versatile Arbites.

[celest dome]

There aren't any story precedent but yes rpg are flexible enough

[dire loom]

Life is good when you serve your local Noble Governor regardless of Dogmatic, Iconoclast and Heretical political standings and affiliations.

Simple as

Pays well too I'd imagine, if not. I'll just hassle the local peasantry block fodder for "willing donations". Lol

[opaque coyote]

It's a combination of

Envy, self-hatred, and stubbornness.

Part of the reason why he hates Spiderman is because his first wife died by a Masked Gunman.

He hates people that wear masks.

To him, masks represent an avoidance of responsibility.

[dire loom]

@opaque coyote pick a color.

Red, purple or blue?

[opaque coyote]

blue

[opaque coyote]

The other reason is because ironically enough, like you said, envy. He used to love masked heroes as a kid.

Especially Captain America.

It was kind of the only thing distracting him from the fact that his dad was an abusive piece of shit that constantly beat him.

Then both Captain America and Bucky were presumed dead.

[hollow rivet]

Is there um is there Tau content by any chance 👀

[opaque coyote]

And with their deaths, his childhood innocence died with him. Literally and figuratively beaten out of him.

[dire loom]

I thought so as much. I was just curious.

Can you guess what color I picked?

[opaque coyote]

And his final flaw?

To admit that he was wrong. That all of his suffering, pain, etc. didn't make him the hero of his story.

It just made him an asshole. An old, lonely man that lost his wife, his parents, and even his daughter.
And if he was wrong. Then what was the hatred all for? Years have been wasted for nothing. He has to pull Spiderman down with him.

Otherwise it would've been for naught.

[opaque coyote]

mmm purple

[arctic talon]

There’s some tau hobbying and lore content. A lot of the hobbying content is generic higher level painting lessons

[dire loom]

Close, red.

[hollow rivet]

sad ive never really gotten into the TT i'm poor

[opaque coyote]

TLDR; When I'm in a losing everything competition and my opponent is a Spider-man character

[hollow rivet]

also i have no interest in playing a TTG

[dire loom]

What's TTG?

[plush mason]

table top game

[hollow rivet]

I could have just written Table top game

but writing TTG makes me sound cool

😎

[dire loom]

Lmfao oh

[proven brook]

Well if you started way back in the late 80s and early 90s a pack of tactical marines was around 15 pounds.

[arctic talon]

Which was still expensive as shit compared to the competition back then

Tbh

[proven brook]

True true. And it was first generation monopose plastic.

Or lead.

[arctic talon]

Mmmmm pewter

[proven brook]

Pewter came later IIRC.

Distorted lead blister packs were my first GW purchases.

[arctic talon]

That makes sense

Tbh the old lead and pewter stuff still looks great even if it’s aged

[shadow plover]

also 15 pounds in 1990 is almost 40 pounds of today's money

[plush mason]

a lead mini sounds heavy as hell

[proven brook]

Yes, they tended to break apart very easily.

[plush mason]

i bet

[proven brook]

And the superglue would lose strength over time.

[arctic talon]

Most metal minis even modern ones are brittle as hell tbh

Compared to resin and good plastic

[proven brook]

GW was just getting into injection moulding when I started playing.

[plush mason]

yeah metal cast stuff tends to be fairly brittle

[proven brook]

The biggest concern was that the metal detail could actually deform if it knocked against something,

[plush mason]

depending on metal used and the size/shape ofc

[proven brook]

If you actually played with the models it was a major pain.

[plush mason]

i can image

hell pewter table ware is prone to warping and thats made to be used a lot

[proven brook]

We developed simplified paint schemes with additional varnish for actually played models.

[arctic talon]

My old ass metal warp spiders have in fact deformed lol

[plush mason]

i can only image how much more an intricate miniature would be

[arctic talon]

Though I guess I bought them much later

Then their original production lol

[proven brook]

There's only ever been one update to the Warp Spiders, IIRC.

[arctic talon]

Yeah the new ones

lol

[proven brook]

So your ones must have been the originals.

[arctic talon]

Same with swooping hawks

[proven brook]

But they did switch over to pewter from lead at some point.

[arctic talon]

They had a run in shitcast for a bit which was interesting

[plush mason]

shitcast?

[arctic talon]

But the swooping hawks iirc were metal only up till their recent replacement

[arctic talon]

GW’s finecast resin

Aka one of the worst resins ever

[plush mason]

lmao

[arctic talon]

It’s different from the newer resin they started using around 6e

It also didn’t help they were using resin in moulds meant for pewter and lead

Tbh

[plush mason]

yeah that doesnt work

well it does but it aint gona be exactly high quality

[arctic talon]

So much flash lol

[proven brook]

The Eldar Falcon is still original, IIRC. But it was one of the first injection moulded vehicles.

The Chimera maybe.

Leman Russ has been remade a couple of times. Mostly to enlarge the turret so the battle cannon can fit.

[proven brook]

15 pounds in 1990 was about 50 bucks for me even then. I saved for years.

[shadow plover]

US bucks?

ah

[proven brook]

Nope, that would have been about 25 USD.

[shadow plover]

yeah I misunderstood what you meant at first

[proven brook]

I received my allowance/pay in local currency, which exchanged 3.6:1 with GBP.

In retrospect, I should have picked a hobby closer to home.

Or just used paper markers.

[shadow plover]

😄

[proven brook]

Fortunately, those were the days of 2nd Edition 40k and 4th Edition WHFB, which lasted a very long time.

Unlike now where you have to buy updated rules and models every year or so.

[shadow plover]

to be fair editions don't last that much shorter compared to the earlier editions

the issue mostly arises from new campaign books etc that bloat the game in the whatever current edition that is going on at the moment until it gets reset for the new edition

[proven brook]

Yes, that's always a problem.

I was more into WHFB than 40k since my naive younger self absolutely hated the Imperium for the Golden Throne fuel thingy.

Then they killed it off.

[shadow plover]

some consider it a boon, to have the setting to be frozen in time so they can now focus on the game in their groups without the need to worry about any upcoming changes

[proven brook]

True.

[queen laurel]

yeah unfortunately some people in this fandom are also frozen in time when their way of thinking and cannot accept any new changes whatsoever in the Lore

[shadow plover]

I know a good few people and gaming groups here that mostly play discontinued GW games for that reason alone, WHFB, Mordheim, different forms of Epic etc

yeah though that is a different issue entirely

[proven brook]

Epic was so cool, but nobody I knew wanted to play.

[shadow plover]

this was mostly about the gaming aspect

[queen laurel]

WHFB?

Have they tried the new warhammer fantasy revive?

[proven brook]

The Old World, yes.

[shadow plover]

they have and they do, it's still a different game

[queen laurel]

i see

i respect the commitment because if i remember WHFB was an atrocious system

[proven brook]

It was complicated, yes.

Still is.

The Old World didn't go far enough in modernising the ruleset.

[queen laurel]

to be fair the fact that it's even that just says all you need to know really

i am pretty sure if they try to modernize it too much let's just say WHFB long beards are gonna have a problem

[proven brook]

Well the TOW does try to fix all the crazy trig that has plagued WHFB, where people tried to line up charges so they just clipped the target and stuff.

[queen laurel]

at least they know issues of the old one

[proven brook]

And you don't have to estimate ranges for artillery any more.

[queen laurel]

the system was like all over the damn place

[proven brook]

But the reversion to fighting in one rank means that units will fail to score even one wound in combat depressingly often.

And for some reason GW absolutely hates heavy cavalry and has been trying to kill them off for several editions now.

[queen laurel]

that seems like a very specific problem

but then again this is GW they aren't exactly

The best of balancing

[proven brook]

They just keep getting more expensive points wise.

[queen laurel]

Are they even worth it

[proven brook]

Yes, but they will eat up all your points.

[queen laurel]

the classic gw style

That very very good thing make sure that when you buy it you become the most poor person in the table

Because nerfing the actual stats and stuff is just more annoying

[shadow plover]

you don't really want to just do that either, you want to have powerful models in the table for the power fantasy but then you just need to make them expensive

warhammer is notoriously hard game to balance 'right'

and I for one don't think it should be perfectly balanced

[proven brook]

Warhammer used to be more relaxed, a "just have fun and create interesting scenarios" type hobby.

Around 6th edition when Alessio et al arrived it became more tournament based and all the loopholes and exploits emerged.

My local gaming scene was always super competitive, and they loved it.

[shadow plover]

yeah there's a reason the rules are mostly divided to matched and narrative play, but people who would like a more narrative experience still cling on the matched play rules as gospel, you can still play a more hobby oriented games but it may not be as balanced nor easy to approach

[opaque coyote]

Humans have a weird

Tendency to optimize

Sometimes to the point where they optimize the fun out

[shadow plover]

real

[opaque coyote]

I don't hate meta though. Some people like optimizing the shit out of their play. Occasionally do it myself.

But there needs to be room for both people who want to sweat

And people who want to chill

Easy to say, hard to do unfortunately

[queen laurel]

I would say herculean levels

Humans are good at one thing in that is they are naturally good at destabilizing things

You could make a perfect environment for casual and competitive and all it takes for that to crumble is one guy finding out that you can do this to gain an advantage

[opaque coyote]

PRAISE CHAOS

[proven brook]

For 40k 2nd edition had all sorts of weird and wacky interactions and the focus was on creating a rules system where you could easily incorporate all sorts of homebrew stuff, at a time when the lore was still very basic. So if you wanted to introduce xenomorphs from Alien, for example, you could easily slap together some house rules and scenarios.

[queen laurel]

I remember back in the day there were rule that orcs could just bring in a faction vehicle because you know they steal stuff

[proven brook]

Looted wagons, yes.

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's time went on goofy rules like that have become more rarer

[proven brook]

Then 3rd edition simplified things into broadly what they are today, but it was still a framework for homebrews.

[opaque coyote]

"EY BOSS, GUESS WHAT I'Z GOT. ONE OF DOZ... KNOIFE EAR FLOATY TANKS!"

"PERFECT!"

[queen laurel]

Like in aos you can no longer overload your weapon teams

For the skaven

[proven brook]

Like Arbites were "counts as" Scions, but with shotguns instead of hellguns.

Then 4th and especially 5th ed 40k started becoming ultra competitive, IIRc.

[opaque coyote]

There are cases where the meta is so destabilizing that people have

Ignored it outright because it made things way too unfun.

Hell, a lot of people sometimes still do off meta strategies even in competitive games.

[proven brook]

Advancing Dwarfs in 6th edition.

Never worked.

[opaque coyote]

I distinctly remember an old strategy in R6S.

It was very stupid.

Essentially you used the AA-12 to uh

"remodel"

The map

By literally destroying every soft wall using it

It was very stupid

Likely to get you killed because now you had zero cover

...

It was also fun

Because Dakka is eternal

[plush mason]

dakka is love, dakka is life

[tough haven]

I-I don’t get this, all these ideas sound bad

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/452219191580295168/1397449773224820808/1373C812-1C52-4745-949F-9B576A5D24A0.jpg?ex=6881c405&is=68807285&hm=a6932368780f2ebf4d6e1b8ee1e40589ae5ac184250ec47082a450124950566d&

Or are these things that happen in these books

[celest dome]

I think those are supposition

For the Winged Astartes and Pariah army

Like what the 2 1st book may mount up to

[plush mason]

image that army is real, and it has psy-titans too

Fulgrim takes a left hand of darkness right to the face

what would a weapon like that even do to something like him tbh, does he even have a soul to delete?

[proven brook]

If it doesn't make sense they can always retcon it away.

[storm jungle]

Yeah he does.

[proven brook]

It's unclear if a daemon prince still possesses a soul, at least in 40k, IIRC. Don't quote me on that though.

I think they do in Warhammer Fantasy and AoS.

[storm jungle]

They do. Its literally what keeps them shackled to their chaos god, they are slaves to them, them having no souls is never mentioned anywhere.

[storm jungle]

Also fun fact Dan did stuff like the mammoth End and the Death first, then wrote the final book. He’s said it’s ready to be released, but there’s some internal stuff at GW he can’t talk about keeping it delayed.

[sly ivy]

They’re still perfecting the model 4 the merged Valdorphariusenhorn centerpiece model

[proven brook]

Daemons are sometimes said to have no souls though.

[storm jungle]

I mean thats daemons, primarchs are still human lol

daemon princes especially, we know they got souls, its what the chaos gods torment them with when they get killed and gotta respawn

it basically mixes with the pure warp energy they become since they are still somewhat mortal beings compared to daemons, so its like a blender mix of the two

[proven brook]

40k lore does have the concept of True Death for daemons.

But you need special weapons, true names, or copious amounts of plot power.

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats it lmao

its either plot convenience mcguffin weapons or just the Emperor's Sword

[proven brook]

Daemon princes in particular are vulnerable to secrets/artifacts from their mortal life.

According to that one Ultramarines book where the villain's mortal name was basically his true name as well.

[proven brook]

Or the Emperor just mind blasting someone out of existence, which is how Horus was ended in earlier editions.

I dunno about now since the HH books are about to revisit that event.

They keep changing the lore around the Siege of Terra.

Or perhaps it's different viewpoints.

[sly ivy]

Daemons are made of souls, or parts of souls, like everything in the warp. But they don’t have central motivating souls.

[proven brook]

They are extensions of their god, basically.

Spun off into separate existences.

[sly ivy]

Yes or some other warp vortex / attractor. Like dra… drachy.. Dramamine abaddon’s sword is an echo of the first murder and associated with the idea of endings. It calls itself END OF EMPIRES

so there’s some warp locus associated with those things and Drosophila is a part of that

[proven brook]

There are also independent daemons or warp entities like Enslavers. The veteran in DT mentions them, IIRC.

[sly ivy]

I think Enslavers are aliens

[proven brook]

Drach'nyen?

[proven brook]

Maybe. There's something of a distinction between them and pure daemons.

[sly ivy]

Yes that’s it Dramaturge

[sly ivy]

I think they’re an homage to the Thrint from Larry Niven’s Known Space universe.

[proven brook]

I'm not sure why the Veteran knows about them and is still alive though. The Inquisition usually disappears ordinary people who know about daemons and such.

[sly ivy]

One thing I love about the Thrint is that they’re kind of fucking stupid. Like if you can mind control things then selection may well be relaxed on your own brain. It’s hilarious and realistic and a nice break from all powerful genius mastermind aliens.

[sly ivy]

He’s an inquisitorial henchman even if low level

But yes that’s strange

[proven brook]

Yeah but he talks about encountering them long before he became a Reject.

Like something every guardsmen might come across during a warp jump.

And the Ogryn seems to have fought daemons before.

[sly ivy]

…. Ok yeahhhhh

hhhhhh

That’s sus

[proven brook]

The satirical Ciphas Cain novels sort of reel back in on some of the grimdark by having everyone know about Chaos, even specific gods.

It's only those who have been exposed to particularly foul warp sorcery that get mindwiped or executed.

But that isn't serious lore, since it also mentions things like how Sororitas don't actually have vows of celibacy and thus freely sleep around.

[plush mason]

ngl i doubt the imperial cult has any system of celibacy

if anything it openly encourages procreation, part of the whole spread humanity across the stars stuff

[celest dome]

Some orders of Sister have one, but it's rare

[sly ivy]

Ya exactly

[plush mason]

yeah that makes the most sense, some orders and sects have it but its not the norm for the faith as a whole

[green loom]

You should remember the base setting for Darktide was a Dan Abnett creation

Although mainly it adds to them being know it all experienced veterans

The Cadian knowing about them makes sense considering waves hand

And that they did outright kill the inquisition folks trying to purge them

[sly ivy]

U must have sex 4 the Emperor who can only goon from His throne

He goons 4 u, soldier

[plush mason]

also darktide is post rift, kinda hard for the inquisition to keep the existence of chaos a secret when it has literally ripped the galaxy in half

[celest dome]

The secret of Chaos was stopped no ? With Guilliman returned

[plush mason]

afaik yeah

they cant really afford to just kill every regiment that is now the frontline of a vastly expanded front

[sly ivy]

I hope the policy is a disaster lmao and there are rampant chaos incursions and insurrections

[plush mason]

it was

always was

[sly ivy]

I mean the policy of not keeping it a secret

[plush mason]

oh

[sly ivy]

40K moment

[proven brook]

It's the Professional Veteran that mentions Enslavers though. He's not the Cadian one.

[plush mason]

enslavers? how the fuck would anyone in the imperium know about those things?

[proven brook]

Indeed, he mentions Enslavers in response to the Cadian Cutthroat wondering if daemons can exist outside the warp.

[plush mason]

but enslavers arent daemons

at least afaik

[sly ivy]

Maybe he thinks they are

[plush mason]

cant blame him for that

[proven brook]

They still pop up every now and then, although the Enslaver plague is long over.

[proven brook]

They are still considered some sort of warp entity, AFAIK.

Need to create warp gates out of unfortunate psykers to invade realspace, etc.

[green loom]

They pop up in Gladius

Very annoying

[proven brook]

Yes, they keep eating my Tactical Squads

Or rather, mind controlling the first one and eating the second.

[sly ivy]

Wat really

Wow I had no idea they were actually modeled in any official 40K media

Only knew of the like 3 pieces of art

[plush mason]

what isnt on Gladius Prime at this point?

[proven brook]

Yeah, they can instantly mind control most basic troops and hit like a truck. Also quite tough.

[plush mason]

yeah those floating squids are annoying

[sly ivy]

I still think they’re meant to be aliens — ie, made of materium — even if they somehow reside in the warp

[raven stone]

Enslavers right?

Gladius Prime truly has everything, and Enslavers are annoying - they mind control then run away

If you start with a group close by, expect expansion to be hampered.

[proven brook]

They can outright cripple a faction if they mind control a key starting unit.

Easily the worst neutral unit to encounter in the early game.

[young pecan]

Could be similar to the Saruthi from Eisenhorn but even worse

||Seeing as they were an entire species so inherently corrupted that they started breaking the laws of physics||

[proven brook]

In earlier edition lore the Enslaver Plague basically drove the Necrons and C'tan into 60 million years of hibernation by eating all sentient life.

[raven stone]

https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/cannibal-robot-columbia-ai-b2793798.html

Well shit

[plush mason]

its jover

[outer wave]

If it eats all the AI, I'm okay with it

[sharp pollen]

if it eats all my trash, im okay with it

[rose thorn]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gvxp1p3a/are-the-black-templars-really-the-most-zealous-warriors-in-the-galaxy/

this is a post

that exists

thanks gw

[rose thorn]

lmao

[sharp pollen]

i know the answer
||white templars||

[rocky gale]

Trying to say Black Templars are more zealous than Sororitas

[rose thorn]

"The ultra marines are roman"

NO THEY ARENT, THE AVERAGE ULTRA MARINE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HTE FUCK ROME IS

[rocky gale]

Which one is known to cause literal miracles with their zealotry

[arctic talon]

its warcom

[rose thorn]

yeah but space marine so rip

[arctic talon]

they do just make shitposts sometimes

this is def one of them lol

waste of a post smh

but I'd assume they had literally nothing else to post

[rose thorn]

not even what the fuck the 2 new units do

lmao

[rocky gale]

Probably indicative of them not doing anything major with their rules

They're just cool looking

[arctic talon]

I'm ngl its an ancient and a chaplain 💀

I don't think there's much they can do with them rules wise

[rose thorn]

nooo its not a chaplin its an uh

[queen laurel]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/cvvjq1ua/las-canon-how-the-astra-militarums-indomitable-lasgun-works/

[arctic talon]

its a fancy chaplain

[rose thorn]

exulsator?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rocky gale]

Yea it'll just be the same with some minor stat changes maybe for weapons

[queen laurel]

This is definitely like the las gun moment of all time

[arctic talon]

which is some fuckass chaplain rank they have

I'd assume the ability will be slightly dif

for both of them

[rose thorn]

it is not a chaplin therefore it must have completley unique rules because its cooler and awesomer than a chaplin and every amry taht doenst use a chaplin is bad and should be purged

[arctic talon]

it is literally a chaplain rank

that the BT have because they're weirdos

[rose thorn]

LMAO

god why is 40k this way

[arctic talon]

Idk

now give me my Saim Hann Supplement GW

I know you wana

[rose thorn]

the eldar?

[languid meadow]

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[arctic talon]

they've gotten a supplement before

smh

[rose thorn]

i knowlol

[arctic talon]

like thrice

More then most factions

alas poor every other xenos faction

[sly ivy]

Ty yes

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1085667218584506599/1397606176891600906/image.png?ex=688255ae&is=6881042e&hm=cbbfab82658f1466d734dd9096e9d7c77763031013727c32875afb1e02378caa&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=960

I got some bad news your you draigo heads

also 5 detachment codex

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1085667218584506599/1397606709672935505/image.png?ex=6882562d&is=688104ad&hm=eb72f7e2b2bc907c1ec6b64ce7b15221666d0d684537c145e440b534ad53fa37&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

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[sly ivy]

No way!!

Maybe Draigo is slated for some kind of end of edition release?

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1085667218584506599/1397607858459119666/Screenshot_2025-07-23-17-54-00-94_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg?ex=6882573f&is=688105bf&hm=a4c6c721275d6810606b677deec11246b46685ee2fbf106165dcb3d702c2d55a&

Also new art

[sly ivy]

rip

[winged jacinth]

Gulliman and the lion are back to be the epic awesome guys

Gw:

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

[near wasp]

I hope we hear more about the lion before the decade ends

[arctic talon]

tbf, GW does not do Warzone or Crusade lore for the primarchs explictly

so the setting doesn't feel small

lol

[sly ivy]

I hope the lion curls up & goes bak 2 sleep

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1085667218584506599/1397610362559270983/image.png?ex=68825994&is=68810814&hm=cbe4263c52b81d61099ea033c18dac9a3caafd48dba38bc35279eda104bf4b89&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=960

[sly ivy]

& Guilliman runs out of space Prozac & willingly sits back down in the stasis pod

[arctic talon]

Baby carrier is just as broken as he was in the index

[sly ivy]

He & Bjorn can wake up every 1000 years, talk about how everything is now fake & gay, & go bak 2 sleep

[winged jacinth]

I love the baby carrier its like they watched the matrix but forgot those suits are cargo loaders from aliens with guns on them

Then again as we all know the strongest armor in 40k is a helmetless head

[arctic talon]

oh god

The dreadnought can deep strike

[winged jacinth]

STEEL REHN

[sly ivy]

Ur mom can deep strike

[raven stone]

“We know the model sucks so let’s make OP rules, that will force the Tournament power addicts to buy it” - GW

[rocky gale]

"We know it sucks and everyone hates it, so lets make an upgrade sprue that doesn't fix any of it's issues and just gives it a new weapon"

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clark-gif-19630637

[arctic talon]

It was already broken

People were expecting nerfs with the codex and it got none

So it’s just about the same lol

GK in general looks like they got buffs to make them less awful which was probably needed

So the baby carrier got worse in comparison to the rest of the book

[raven stone]

Broken ass logic alright

[arctic talon]

How lol

If the rest of the book gets buffed and the baby carrier remains the same it’s comparatively worse then it was

[raven stone]

I mean as in GW not actually trying to fix things

[arctic talon]

I also think the baby carrier has unfortunately been good every edition it’s been out evrr

lol

[raven stone]

Is the broken logic here

[rose thorn]

boy oh golly i wondere how mnay greyknight datasheets dotn have models

[arctic talon]

It’s all the usual suspects

lol

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

[arctic talon]

I mean what is there to fix tbh

[raven stone]

GK fan rage incoming

[arctic talon]

GK are meant to be like

[rose thorn]

WERE THE ONLY ARMY LIEK THIS PLEASE

[arctic talon]

An elite army

[arctic talon]

Drukhari on suicide watch

[rose thorn]

NO ONE ELSE HAS THIS ISSUE

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

they have models but you just cant buy them

[arctic talon]

Well better get Kitbashing 💀

[arctic talon]

One of the beast models was never made

[raven stone]

Don’t forget the HH panic over all the missing entries.

[arctic talon]

But then that would mean you’re running a beast tamer

[rose thorn]

GW refuses to sell them 😭

[arctic talon]

Saturnine looks like a Dominion issue occurred

Where GW super overproduced

If you’re in the UK and you want the box

Weyland games is selling it 35% off already

[rose thorn]

i hope saturine makes gw lose money

[raven stone]

And they will draw the wrong lessons from it lol

[rose thorn]

i hope that they remember like only 2% of the people who post about HH actually play it

[queen laurel]

You know that's like asking for me not to like orks and orruks right

an impossible thing to wish for

[arctic talon]

The people who actually play heresy regularly hate 3e lol

[rocky gale]

Saturnine will make a morbillion dollars

[rose thorn]

LMAO WAHT

[arctic talon]

It’ll still make a fuck ton

[arctic talon]

3e sucks rules wise

And I say this as someone who doesn’t play heresy often

[rose thorn]

its a side game based off a single army in a spin off setting

[arctic talon]

2 armies

Maybe 3

[rose thorn]

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HERETIC AND LOYALISTS

[rocky gale]

Solar Auxilia and the HH Admech are cool though

[raven stone]

I mean, so far I fail to see the suck…

[rose thorn]

ITS A SCAM

[arctic talon]

I’m talking about mechanicum

And Solar auxilia

[rose thorn]

Oh lmao

[arctic talon]

Mag

[rose thorn]

my bad poitn taken elite

sowwy

rage posting over people saying the HH release is a chaos release

[rocky gale]

It could be

[queen laurel]

Yes but you're asking marine enjoyers not to buy something marine related

[arctic talon]

The legion rules are just more boring, no warlord traits, mechanicum lost several options on its units and they aren’t available in legacies. Solar auxillia lost over 70% of their army with no continuation on if it’s in legacies

Now granted if you like 3e more power to you

[rose thorn]

70% of their army

WHAT

[raven stone]

…damn I actually liked the new FoC, but for Solar Aux to lose so much…

[rose thorn]

wait they , did what to HH???

[arctic talon]

Oh also GW said heresy 3e would make no sweeping changes to the game

It made a ton

You must run a praetor now

For marines

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

Some of the new stuff is interesting

Like there are actual good rules

In 3e

It’s just

where the fuck did the rest of it go

Oh also GW is reselling rules to you

In 35$ rulebooks

That you had in your liber in 2e

[raven stone]

I mean, I was thinking of starting a HH collection, but only with Marines as Allies, so the Praetor thing doesn’t disturb me that much

Main army is either Solar Aux or Militia

[arctic talon]

But heresy 3e is like if GW said AoS 4e had the same listbuilding rules as AoS 3e.

But when AoS 4e comes out listbuilding is obviously not the same.

[rose thorn]

sorry eveyr time someone says praetor i think of the AOS unit

[arctic talon]

Tbf

Reasonable

lol

But yeah I won’t mock anyone for liking heresy 3e

The one warhammer system I will mock someone for actually enjoying the gameplay of

[rose thorn]

?

[arctic talon]

Is AoS 1e(launch) rogue trader(the edition) and the super old whfb ones

Because all of those

Are in fact god awful to play

lol

[rose thorn]

1e, or 1.5e?

[arctic talon]

1e

Not 1.5e

[rose thorn]

LAUNCh whoops

[arctic talon]

1.5e is actually functional

1e is genuinely non functional

As a wargame

[rose thorn]

makes new fantasy game
use rule makers from previous fantasy game
literally the worst tabletop game rules every written
entire team is fired

[arctic talon]

what did GW mean by this

also its not the worst tabletop game rules ever written

its upthere

but its not bad

[rose thorn]

yeah yoru right, worst made by a legit well known trusted company

[arctic talon]

this might be the worst tabletop game

[rose thorn]

AJAHAANSJAHHB

IF ORGOT

[queen laurel]

What is that fallout mad max looking poster

what

what even is the factions

[arctic talon]

I cannot talk about this game

without being banned from the server

google it yourself

[queen laurel]

HOLY SHIT

you know what i do not want to know

[arctic talon]

Its also not even functional

lol

as in like

it literally cannot be played

[rose thorn]

I think I know of 1 or 2 of the mechanics in it

[arctic talon]

Honestly if legacies has the missing units, it won't be bad at all

if it doesn't

uh

well

[rose thorn]

But I might be mixing it up

[arctic talon]

Shut up Hadron

[arctic talon]

if they're extremely racist then yes

[queen laurel]

OK this tells me all i need to know

[arctic talon]

you probably remember it

[raven stone]

Well that’s it, time to do Militia/AL instead if Auxilia is going to end up sucking balls anyways…

[arctic talon]

yeeeeeeeeeeep

[rose thorn]

On a similar topic

[rose thorn]

Anyone excited for fallout wasteland warfare 2.0 next Year?

[arctic talon]

yes!

but yeah Saturine is looking to be a Dominion issue except even worse

either GW produced way more then dominion

or people are buying it way less then dominion

[queen laurel]

oh new super muntant minies

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah those went up for sale last month

I hope they rename the supermutant suiciders to supermutant martyrs 😭 me and a few people were asking about that a while ago

[queen laurel]

i mean that's exactly what they do

they grab a mini nuke and use it to punch you

[rose thorn]

Ywah but it’s a pretty yucky name lmao

In other languages it’s changed to martyr and some mods rename them off the bat

Like the super mutant Skyrim mod

I hope far harbor releases before 2nd edition FWW

Maybe there will be an institute update

(I play institute)

[queen laurel]

I would prefer if they change it something besides martyr because these guys are literally idiots that would suicide bomb you because they don't know that they can die

[arctic talon]

bomber?

sapper?

the east coast mutants are boring is my thing tbh

[winter vessel]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

I think bomber is already used

[rose thorn]

76 had an update that literally rewrote all of them, they now look like east coast while acting like west coast

[arctic talon]

neat

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

ig Sapper works

tbh

[rose thorn]

Sounds a bit too fancy

[arctic talon]

it does

[queen laurel]

west coast are those the ones from like the earlier fallouts like new vegas?

[arctic talon]

yes

well

West coast is 1, 2, NV