but its not sentient
#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
LLMs are a novelty
they're sort of a dead end
because they don't posses the ability to properly learn so to speak
they can't reach their own conclusions or have their own opinion form naturally. They aren't capable of thinking
still coral
Have you seen that one study where some scientists made a computer with brains
arctic talon
not with the way the current neural networks are designed
tough haven
No they aren’t
arctic talon
but friendly AI's aren't uncommon in cyberpunk
tough haven
They’re capable of writing how they’ve seen humans express love or hate
arctic talon
most corporations usually have one
or another as an ally lol
people also still try making AIs
near wasp
Of course they are
arctic talon
Looks maybe you’ll make something friendly
Or maybe you’ll make an all consuming void that wants to eat your mind
near wasp
Given corpos in cyberpunk it's def an all consuming void
opaque coyote
Given corpos in cyberpunk it's def an all consuming void
Yeah fun fact
Y'know uh
Shodan?
In the system shock remake lore, it's clear that part of the reason why she went bonkers when her moral constraints were removed
Was because well... she already had the morals of TriOptimum
Who is basically Arasaka tier in how garbage they are
I think that most corpo made AIs would be the same as a result
Her moral constraints only had one sub-AI that didn't solve their problems via murder or espionage
sly ivy
No they aren’t
Yes they r they told me they had a crush on u specifically bc ur so mean 2 them
arctic talon
US EVO is way smaller this year
I wonder why that could possibly be
anyways mortal kombat only having 377 entrants lmao
opaque coyote
~~I wonder why that could possibly be~~
Bro imagine some comp player streaming and then they get taken by ICE
I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet
arctic talon
no surprise SF6, GVSR and Strive registrations are all lower lol
bcs thats a lot of people from out of country
sly ivy
US EVO is way smaller this year
What is that I hate acron… anacrhom… anachronisms
arctic talon
What is that I hate acron… anacrhom… anachronisms
United States Evolution(fighting game) tournament
its the worlds largest fighting game tournament and it happens 4 times a year
Once in Japan, once in the US, once in France, and Once in Singapore
opaque coyote
I remember a story where an Indian man didn't show a reddit account and they got denied entry
💀
arctic talon
this is the first time in years
the US EVO's entrants have been lower then Japan or France lol
opaque coyote
opaque coyote
the US EVO's entrants have been lower then Japan or France lol
That's mainly because nobody wants to be sent to a free trip to Alligator Auschwitz
arctic talon
~~I wonder why that could possibly be~~
relevant
opaque coyote
near wasp
Alagator Alcatraz
arctic talon
yet another netherrealm L
Look what this means
is I have a higher change of making it out of pools this year
sly ivy
is I have a higher change of making it out of pools this year
Do u have east meets really east kung fu ninja skillz
sly ivy
The forbidden union
sly ivy
Based
forest orbit
storm jungle
arctic talon
Alright
Taking bets on the Tyrant star and other fucky stuff from dark heresy TTRPG that'll be in the CRPG
I think the murder room is gona show up
sour hornet
what is acceptably over strength for a codex bending chapter
sour hornet
was doing some lore building for my sector and realized my chapter may have to do some immoral things to survive
arctic talon
Well
storm jungle
Well
storm jungle
thats the point
sour hornet
what founding
23rd
arctic talon
Command staff, support staff and honorguard
do not count
for your max cap of 1000 marines
do what you will with this information
besides that you can also just ignore the codex
and go past 1000
sour hornet
Im out here looking up flash imprinting like im a heresy era marine
sour hornet
Im looking at splitting my guys up into a three group of around 350 marines each to cover bits of the sector
storm jungle
The thing is a sector is also massive
so like theres no way to completely police all of it
sour hornet
There are fleet-based chapter stuck in the ass end of segmentum ultima and have to deal with way more than they can handle
storm jungle
its also why Space Marine chapters work more like mercenaries
aka they recieve an aid message and decide to answer it or not
if you do wanna do it like that though might be good to add a foil/negative element to that
like people making rumors that how they are somehow always everywhere all the time, or how this matter of their deploment numbers has been looked into by officials but nothing came out of it etc
basically poke holes in your own idea, it makes it more diverse/interesting
sour hornet
Is flash imprinting viable in the modern setting? I headcannoned the majority of their battleline companies being slaughtered to a critical degree via demonic incursion in the not so distant past, and sorta relying on imprinting to keep up their numbers.
storm jungle
It is tbh, like, I once joked that you should be able to flash imprint/inductii-process marines considering the amount of possible sci-fi shit in 40k.
But of course people called my idea stupid
then 30k did it
and now wow its totally acceptable
fucking hypocrites lmao
sour hornet
Like there is a in-group/out-group dynamic with the pre-slaughter marines vs the veteran survivors who dont really like them
storm jungle
Yeah see what I mean
basically add more depth/meat to it and it makes it more feasible
like-
not saying yours is but A LOT of the official chapters got dumb mary sue qualities to them
"Oh wow our entire Chapter just has endless amounts of terminator armor"
"We just got robot dreadnaughts"
"We make our own relic weapons"
yada yada
sour hornet
My chapter has a power sword fetish and gets eaten by daemons often 🥀
storm jungle
🫡
yours is like very low of sus things on that list in comparison, especially if you make it clear why they do flash-inductii as a thing
the golden rule in 40k homebrewing is just come up with the right excuses/explanations
sour hornet
"Inductii" is the term?
storm jungle
Yep it is, its a brand new concept too
basically just fast-recruited/brainwashed fodder marines
sour hornet
not saying yours is but A LOT of the official chapters got dumb mary sue qualiti...
This is just because I dont know enough about marines to wank them properly
storm jungle
Lmao yeah that too but tbh there isnt much to know
again just give them positives and negatives in equal measure and you're good
celest willow
basically just fast-recruited/brainwashed fodder marines
so a black templar?
basically
sly ivy
Well Templars got proper training
I like how templars r constantly howling about the god-emperor but its Sisters who regularly generate ppl who are literally imbued w His power, have ethereal wings, radiate golden light, etc.
sour hornet
To be fair, the Sisterhood actually needs it.
They are mortal, not genehanced, and are equipped less severely.
sly ivy
They’re just better at the devotion and faith thing
Insanely ridiculously intensely Christ-loving medieval nun moment
desert dust
But they are resistant to a ton of bad chaos shit because the emperor gives them power. ||most of the time||
arctic talon
Is flash imprinting viable in the modern setting? I headcannoned the majority of...
Its done still in 40k but not for marines
but yeah marines could do it lol
sour hornet
What about
sour hornet
Hypno indoctrination on steroids
arctic talon
That also works
sly ivy
But they are resistant to a ton of bad chaos shit because the emperor gives them...
That’s just daddy dorn’s auramite seed
sour hornet
I need marines to feed my task forces and I DONT care about their quality 
desert dust
From what I understand you don't do that to space marines unless your out of time and need troops now
sly ivy
Or do u mean sisters
sour hornet
I am out of time and need marines now
arctic talon
I need marines to feed my task forces and I DONT care about their quality <:keba...
If they're blood angel sucessors
you can always feed them the dead bodies
sour hornet
Brother, WHAT?
arctic talon
the blood angels did that instead of flash imprinting their inductii
desert dust
Space marines got enhanced brains so normal training is better
sly ivy
I am out of time and need marines now
ok u get this guy enjoy
arctic talon
Would feed inductii the dead bodies of veterans, officers and other dead battle brothers
sour hornet
you can always feed them the dead bodies
arctic talon
So that they would take on the "person" that the dead person was
More specifically the brain
its this whole ritual
that along with flash training and hypno indoctrination
made higher quality then normal inductii
though prone to bouts of extreme violence
and insanity
arctic talon
This is in theory doable with any marine chapter
but the BA had this whole tradition in place pre sanguinius and they had the overactive when you eat brain you see memory thing
arctic talon
well they were called the Undying ninth
The Revenant Legion
fresh blood was an optional part of their paint scheme
sly ivy
well they were called the Undying ninth
Tenth?
vagrant fox
Revenant Legion was too pure for Sangy 🙏
spare osprey
The heresy was...
tbf this is before even the heresy lol
pre primarch legions were something
spare osprey
dark angels almost wiped themselves out on multiple occasions before the lion came
arctic talon
tbf the blood angels did revert to the whole
eating their dead thing during the heresy
sacred bluff
are there any pictures of terra before and after the siege
arctic talon
and some chapters in modern 40k continue to do the whole ritualistic cannibalization thing
sour hornet
So if I had three task forces with high mortality rates and needed a training regimen with shirt turnaround, I could use it?
sly ivy
Based recycling ♻️
arctic talon
where they would exhume their dead from the onboard catacombs
and you know
dig in
sacred bluff
do they eat brains or just flesh in general
sour hornet
Don't use that fucking terminology
arctic talon
do they eat brains or just flesh in general
Both
sour hornet
sacred bluff
would they gain their memories from only eating the brain or did that come from the blood and flesh too
arctic talon
Unclear but the brains were the important part
sacred bluff
arctic talon
if the dead body was missing the head
they'd eat the entire body
instead of just the brain + organs + blood
sacred bluff
i read it on echoes of eternity and wonder which parts they needed to eat for memories
almost finished
arctic talon
Ah
sly ivy
would they gain their memories from only eating the brain or did that come from ...
Gain memories from flesh but only the specific proprioceptive memories of that limb etc
U will rest well knowing that ur brothers will one day learn which is ur gooning arm
arctic talon
The blood angels pre sangunius also sometimes liked to uh
indulge after a battle with the prisoners and dead bodies
and have a "feast"
winter vessel
and have a "feast"
sour hornet
Gain memories from flesh but only the specific proprioceptive memories of that l...
Why does your brain work like this
💀 😭
winter vessel
Is he wrong?
sly ivy
Why does your brain work like this
Wanna eat it & find out
arctic talon
anyways the blood angels were batshit insane pre sangunius
sour hornet
Ill pass
arctic talon
and their less favorable traits passed on to several of their sucessors lol
the main BA chapter's creepy shit is mostly ritual exsanguination of the dead
sour hornet
Lore grinding for backstory is easier than making a paint scheme ill tell you what
winter vessel
Their color scheme was just a blank grey right, the only “color” that complimented them was blood that just so happened to stain their armor
arctic talon
Yeah it was just a blank metallic grey
and red visor
but the visor color was the standard from mars
vagrant fox
Months on and I'm still stuck on colour scheme and symbol 😔
sly ivy
Yeah it was just a blank metallic grey
Based “guy who never paints his army” colors
winter vessel
WB got a glow up after the burning of Monarchia
arctic talon
the Legionary depicted in this art
though he was no longer in just the unpainted grey lol
he was in actual red + he had grey armor bits
sour hornet
Making a paint scheme + symbol for a faction is hard
Emblem is an iron halo split in two halves by an ascendant sword, paint scheme is, uhh... I'll get to it, its swear.
arctic talon
Blood angels are fun because you can invent some really fucked up successor traditions if you want
arctic talon
Emblem is an iron halo split in two halves by an ascendant sword, paint scheme i...
Very cool emblem tbh
vagrant fox
I am quite fond of this symbol
winter vessel
I am quite fond of this symbol
Kinda reminds me of those Mons from Japanese clans
sour hornet
I think I got a paint scheme down, then I hit up Pinterest, and I'm like "fuck, that guy's paint scheme is way better than mine!"
sour hornet
I am quite fond of this symbol
I like it as well
arctic talon
look, its fine if you are similar to someone else tbh
sour hornet
it makes me want to start again and try harder
winter vessel
If you had to choose, what is the most underused primary color to be painted on a home brew?
sly ivy
look, its fine if you are similar to someone else tbh
No only 1 of u may live. U r obligate 2 kill or b killed
arctic talon
If you had to choose, what is the most underused primary color to be painted on ...
Orange or brown
tbh
I rarely see those
sly ivy
Flesh
sour hornet
If you had to choose, what is the most underused primary color to be painted on ...
Pink, Brown, Orange
Orange fucks, so I don't get it
sly ivy
That’s a cool spoos maroon
vagrant fox
Glancing at the homebrew wiki there's less in the purple, light green, orange, and brown yea
Not so many in banana yellow either but more
arctic talon
Banana yellow is occupied by fists tbh
vagrant fox
The Funny boys Malevolent pull it off too to great success
This one's pretty cool, beige boys at it
winter vessel
On the topic of home brew as well, Think my favorite in terms of art is from TheGraffitiSoul and their Lords of Thunder. Obviously taking elements from Vietnam War Era aesthetic. But every time I see it I can hear the guitar riff from War Pigs by Black Sabbath
sour hornet
What's a leviathan
vagrant fox
I mostly like it, rice hat aside and some other things
arctic talon
What's a leviathan
It’s a pattern of dreadnought
From the heresy
It also was extremely good in 8e
sour hornet
Its a little too tactical for my liking idk
winter vessel
It’s apparently a “Luna wolves successor” chapter
arctic talon
I’m just making a joke about this dudes sucessor chapter having it
arctic talon
It’s apparently a “Luna wolves successor” chapter
traitor geneseed
Gdi
People love their traitor geneseed
arctic talon
not really
it doesn't matter besides BA and SW geneseed causing problematic mutations or mental issues
vagrant fox
Not unless you make it matter, but I don't think it should
vagrant fox
Yeah it mostly expressees physically
winter vessel
I mostly like it, rice hat aside and some other things
sour hornet
RG geneseed steals your melanin
That's the only one I actually know about lmao
winter vessel
I do like how they have their own auxiliary units that share the chapter colors
arctic talon
Tbh the funny thing is that it takes a while
vagrant fox
Fists and successors don't get to spit acid but everyone forgets about that anyway
winter vessel
Has the spit ever been used in any SM story?
arctic talon
Yeah
sour hornet
it doesn't matter besides BA and SW geneseed causing problematic mutations or me...
White Scar/Iron Hand geneseed is good?
arctic talon
I wouldn't do hybrid but those are both unpopular picks which is fun
sly ivy
RG geneseed steals your melanin
Upper middle class Indians overwhelm raven guard recruiting stations : vox at 11
arctic talon
Upper middle class Indians overwhelm raven guard recruiting stations : vox at 11
awful
sour hornet
I wouldn't do hybrid but those are both unpopular picks which is fun
I mean in general, not mixed
wait
you can mix geneseed?
sly ivy
you can mix geneseed?
ya but u gotta pay extra 4 the videos and it might get u on a list
vagrant fox
White Scars and Iron Hands geneseed have nothing wrong with them, at least nothing physically afaik
vagrant fox
every other homebrew wiki is of traitor origin or chimeric it's wack
sly ivy
big issues
Like I said
arctic talon
Who's seed is used the most?
Lore wise the most common is Ultramarines
then fists
then dark angels
White Scars are also a popular choice
vagrant fox
UM is what 2/3rds or something officially
sour hornet
Okay
sly ivy
Do fists have low warp affinity
sour hornet
I might just leave it blank then or make something like WS or DA
arctic talon
IH had very few sucessors
sour hornet
Seems like something that doesn't really matter a whole lot unless youre from one of the freaky chapters
sour hornet
IH had very few sucessors
They're cool though right?
arctic talon
I find them neat
though their sucessor chapters vary from similar to them to being
not at all alike
as usual
vagrant fox
It doesn't really matter, I just have the chapter I made be Ultramarines in official Imperial documentation and be something else entirely
which i'll decide on in a decade
sly ivy
Ok @arctic talon since u have opinions where is grey knight geneseed from really
sly ivy
bruh doesn’t even have geneseed 
arctic talon
he made it
sly ivy
Did he use TS seed as base
storm jungle
arctic talon
Did he use TS seed as base
Imo no
outer wave
What if you mixed geneseed from various chapters and even from grey knights?
Fabius must've done something like that
vagrant fox
Epimetheus says it was made from Big E's stuff didn't he
sour hornet
not at all alike
I always find this so funny, like imagining a White Scar successor devoted to siege warfare, or a Raven Guard descendant that prefers close-range swordfights.
dapper gyro
Made from? by? with? big E.
sour hornet
I might just use that
vagrant fox
It's been a while but I think he specifically mentions the Emperors DNA but who knows with these things
storm jungle
I always find this so funny, like imagining a White Scar successor devoted to si...
Its one of the best ways of homebrewing imo
making Successors that are almost nothing like their Founding Chapter/Parent Legion is one of my favorite tropes
which we also got tons of canon examples of as well
sly ivy
Imo no
Ok so like doesn’t this cheapen the whole primarch project thing? The primarchs are supposed to be integral to creating and leading the marines.
vagrant fox
Mortifactors are very funny Ultramarines successors. Worship the Emperor and call him the Ultimate Warrior, cannibals, specialization in night combat
arctic talon
Ok so like doesn’t this cheapen the whole primarch project thing? The primarchs ...
imo because it was done after the primarch project its fine
dapper gyro
I always find this so funny, like imagining a White Scar successor devoted to si...
RG is already kind of melee focus in the lore.
Their official descendants are specialized in different kind of ambush, but their use of power/thunder claws with silent jump pack is their signature style.
sly ivy
imo because it was done after the primarch project its fine
I guess you can’t mass produce gks bc the candidate has to have crazy characteristics
The emperor’s gift was really good
storm jungle
Its not really worth it to think so deeply about GK imo
their entire lore is "whatever sounds cool"
like-
they are literally titled the 666th Chapter
and their aspirants go through 666 trials
dapper gyro
Ew
sour hornet
RG is already kind of melee focus in the lore.
They're so based man
winged jacinth
the GK are like epic fanfiction OC space marines but in canon
sour hornet
I already stole the beak look from them
sly ivy
and their aspirants go through 666 trials
Sigh
young pecan
Epimetheus says it was made from Big E's stuff didn't he
from Big E's stuff 
vagrant fox
GK are so over the top they get a pass
sour hornet
Im glad I can have primaris beaks, I would have just stayed firstborn otherwise
vagrant fox
I hope there's proper MKIV helmets one day
vagrant fox
I'm not keen on Draigo, but whomst else would carve their name in Mortys heart but the single most special grey knight
It's so goofy it's funny
nocturne crest
So any bets what will be shown tomorrow?
storm jungle
Draigo is just a mary sue people wank like most characters
vagrant fox
Bequin rewrite
hallow plover
Who's the most marie sue? Draigo or Mephiston?
young pecan
What exactly is going on tomorrow
vagrant fox
Draigo is in the collection of 'too special' with Fabius, Cawl and some others
hallow plover
GW showcase or something
vagrant fox
Personally for me Draigo is the bigger Gary Stu because I can't stop seeing Mephiston as a Shadow the Hedgehog character
Tennocon tomorrow?
hallow plover
Personally for me Draigo is the bigger Gary Stu because I can't stop seeing Meph...
Fair take
That being said. Is there any good litterature concerning both of these men
sacred bluff
is that the astartes series paint job?
nocturne crest
What would people hate more? Brothers of Battle or another new space marine lieutenant?
storm jungle
Who's the most marie sue? Draigo or Mephiston?
Mephiston 100%
he literally does anime bullshit
like a fucking ZA WARUDO
and feats that are like Malcador tier, its fucking ridiculously goofy
nocturne crest
Isn't he the only one to beat the black rage?
spare osprey
So any bets what will be shown tomorrow?
deathwatch kill team, i'm hoping vs clowns
and maybe new cata termies
nocturne crest
Does he still have the red thirst or has he beaten that as well?
spare osprey
since that leaked today
storm jungle
Does he still have the red thirst or has he beaten that as well?
He still has that yeah
spare osprey
lemme snag em
it's just the art depiction fair warning
but we got new mk4
new mk5
and cata
vagrant fox
In this house Mephiston is a hero
Post Tony Soprano
storm jungle
yeee
i remember the stud ones got leaked a few months back
because some dumbass GW guy was flipping pages lol
storm jungle
Yeah looks about the same as I remember lol
nocturne crest
Honestly, I thought the studs were meant to be grenades when I was first learning about 40k.
spare osprey
it does look really cartoony
storm jungle
Honestly, I thought the studs were meant to be grenades when I was first learnin...
Lmao
fair mistake tbh
storm jungle
it does look really cartoony
it really doesnt capture the Black Books vibes
nocturne crest
Personally, I blame the first NuWho episode with the dalek in.
storm jungle
actually wait
what are the studs on Daleks for?
im sure they came up with some lore reason for it at this point lol
vagrant fox
As ever, mkiv can't bend forward. Very Imperiumbrained design
nocturne crest
what *are* the studs on Daleks for?
Suicide pill
spare osprey
wth
nocturne crest
Did not know that.
dapper gyro
here's cata
I think they are attempting to make the Mk10 looks better by making everything else worse.
sour hornet
is that the astartes series paint job?
Yes
spare osprey
I think they are attempting to make the Mk10 looks better by making everything e...
space marine great replacement
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/dalek-goddbye-chat-doctor-who-gif-22275775
The fact that these things can probably solo 40k says a lot about Dr Who
dapper gyro
Nah, they can't.
spare osprey
cooked
storm jungle
Daleks got like really dumb levels of tech
dapper gyro
Normal firearms can make them blind...
storm jungle
i dont think most people know this lmao
sour hornet
it does look really cartoony
The lack of greebles is something else...
storm jungle
Normal firearms can make them blind...
And a space marine can die from a shard through the visor
spare osprey
The lack of greebles is something else...
lowk i also think
dapper gyro
Though they have gun that put Necron to shame.
dapper gyro
Look too clean?
storm jungle
Look too clean?
Yea
dapper gyro
I think it is the same reason I don't like the Mk10 Tactical. Though, phobos and gravis are nice.
nocturne crest
i dont think most people know this lmao
Hell, the dalek once had a plan to turn Earth into a plague planet and shoot it pass every planet with life other than dalek on it.
opaque coyote
Laati you dont see **anything**
i see you
storm jungle
Lmfao yeah like im not a Dr Who fan but having read some of the shit they do in lore is crazy
mfers wipe our entire timelines from existence 💀
nocturne crest
They also have their own version of servitors.
opaque coyote
mfers wipe our entire timelines from existence 💀
time lords moment
storm jungle
Also any issue? Lol just phase out of time.
arctic talon
it *really* doesnt capture the Black Books vibes
The texture is too smooth and lighting is too bright tbh
storm jungle
The texture is too smooth and lighting is too bright tbh
Agreed good analysis
ive kinda like
given up on 30k narrative/visual stuff since Bligh died
arctic talon
It’s not like 40k art
spare osprey
...I don't see anything wrong with this?
That’s the issue
storm jungle
it legit took such a massive downturn
nocturne crest
Brought Dravos back from the dead by driving an alternative version of him insane through merging time lines
arctic talon
The 30k ones tended to have moodier lighting
spare osprey
That’s the issue
They removed the arms and legs of the old one
opaque coyote
god I hate this new artstyle
Also I do agree that the pictures look way too shiny
They just have that
G L I N T
dapper gyro
It is car showcase clean.
spare osprey
They removed the arms and legs of the old one
Which had hazard stripes, the iron warrior icon, numerous other things
opaque coyote
It is car showcase clean.
I think if they just like
removed the shine it'd be fine tbh
opaque coyote
just like
arctic talon
Why do UM
opaque coyote
remove the bright circle
arctic talon
Need candy coating blue
opaque coyote
it's okay
arctic talon
Like I don’t get it
spare osprey
They removed the arms and legs of the old one
Also just realized I put the knees on the wrong sides shit
opaque coyote
Need candy coating blue
Because they gotta be hypocritical and not actually be ultramarine in color
nocturne crest
I wonder say Daleks have Necron levels of technology, but non of the prettiness or ego that make necrons fight each other, except for rare circumstances.
arctic talon
Because they gotta be hypocritical and not actually be ultramarine in color
Lol
Well candycoating is a painting style
They also switched AL from normal metalic
To candy coating
which is ?????
storm jungle
I wonder say Daleks have Necron levels of technology, but non of the prettiness ...
to be fair they dont live in a tabletop settings where the writers actively sabotage you to not steamroll other factions
arctic talon
Like why
storm jungle
every faction in 40k is on a little 3-wheel bike
the moment they do something uppity GW pushes them off
lol
opaque coyote
To candy coating
yeah idk
maybe it's to appeal to people with adhd but it's not working clear-
oh look a new thing
maybe it's to like
show how new they are in-lore
storm jungle
ITS JUST A BAD ARTSTYLE
opaque coyote
assuming this is 30k
arctic talon
They aren’t
storm jungle
STOP THIS
storm jungle
opaque coyote
okay nvm it's just bad
arctic talon
It’s just bad compared to the black books
storm jungle
Legionaries kill this creature
storm jungle
I JUST LIKE THINKING ABOUT ARTIST INTENTION
vagrant fox
I know what'll help, throw a tantrum about the woke and quit warhammers
arctic talon
Hell it’s less moody then the scheme showcases in 40k lol
arctic talon
I know what'll help, throw a tantrum about the woke and quit warhammers
I will steal your bones smh
vagrant fox
My bones would make a greatv40k style shrine
opaque coyote
Hell it’s less moody then the scheme showcases in 40k lol
that is an awesome helmet ngl
dapper gyro
Maybe making it looks a little more dull, it would be better.
vagrant fox
The colours seem too saturated or something, it's a bit off
arctic talon
For the new Liber stuff? I agree
storm jungle
its a lack of battle-damage
no dust, scratches, etc
also yeah just too bright/factory new
arctic talon
**STOP THIS**
arctic talon
also yeah just too bright/factory new
Also the new liber still states it as an actual marine lol
storm jungle
arctic talon
Which is weird
Because they’re so perfect looking lol
It’s not like the 40k one where it’s some diagram meant for a hobbiest to copy lol
arctic talon
nocturne crest
Odd question but do explosive servo skulls exist?
dapper gyro
Even if it is factory new, a duller pallet would looks better. More grim dark and serious.
arctic talon
Odd question but do explosive servo skulls exist?
Yes
arctic talon
Even if it is factory new, a duller pallet would looks better. More grim dark an...
Tbh it also is just literally the wrong shades
Like the colors are just wrong
Compared to every other depiction
storm jungle
Odd question but do explosive servo skulls exist?
ANY kind of servo-skull can exist
they are usually given somewhat "above" jobs tho
nocturne crest
I wonder if anyone has tried to race SKULLS before.
nocturne crest
BRB, phone is weird.
storm jungle
Gheistskulls are made from the skulls of deceased Imperial Navy Breachers and carry compact explosives. They accompany Breacher teams, during boarding attacks.
nocturne crest
Back and that's neat.
sacred ginkgo
> Gheistskulls are made from the skulls of deceased Imperial Navy Breachers and ...
Be the first person to martyr yourself twice
Imperial goals
young pecan
So if psykers could smoke souls, do you think they would puff puff pass the Blunts
gaunt lily
Be the first person to martyr yourself twice
even in death they serve
opaque coyote
@arctic talon
Apparently this is a growing fringe... "Thing" in China
That western civilizations just did not exist?
opaque coyote
Ancient Greece doesn't exist, along with Arisotle
The origins of humans were in Hunan China
There was no European history before the 15th century
...
Yeah it's uh
It shows that somehow the USA's anti-intellectual bullshit passed down to China
Again
It's like a constant ping pong ball
opaque coyote
I could see it
I think the funniest part is that
Following their logic, China got fucking beaten by a civilization that's only 3 centuries old
And forced the "unequal treaties"
💀
Imagine claiming to be a supremacist of a 5000 year old civilization that got bullied by a civilization that popped into existence 200 years prior.
This also implies that Chinese were secretly black this whole time
All I can say is
Schrodinger's Box
More like
Schrodinger's Europe
It's got the same vibes as when the Germans tried to convince the Japanese that the world was being run by a secret Jewish cabal. The Japanese were like "Wait? Really? Those guys sound crazy powerful, we should be trying to ally with them. Why would you try and attack them if they run the world? That just sounds foolish."
celest cedar
It's got the same vibes as when the Germans tried to convince the Japanese that ...
then the Japanese proceeds to commit atrocities in Asia
humble shoal
This also implies that Chinese were secretly black this whole time
Sounds like yakub
Big head yakub
celest cedar
praise Yakub 🙏
humble shoal
Malcolm X was killed because he found out the truth of yakub
celest cedar
thank you for creating white people
opaque coyote
*then the Japanese proceeds to commit atrocities in Asia*
Tbf that's just out of the love of the game
Don't need to be convinced for that
humble shoal
Reminder that korea has the longest unbroken history of slavery
opaque coyote
I find it funny on some level that the Axis powers were more like
The Three Stooges in terms of teamwork
humble shoal
Go korea
opaque coyote
Like they just didn't work together at all
Despite the Allies also fighting each other on some occasion. They at least held their shit together long enough until after the war was over
opaque coyote
Go korea
Korean history is just fucked.
I also am a hobbyist of like
North Korea shit
I have no idea why
humble shoal
North Korea shit
Dprk
opaque coyote
But I like researching about it
humble shoal
Like how Kim il Sung had 18 hole in ones in his first game of golf
And invented the burrito
opaque coyote
Mainly about their history and art.
humble shoal
And did not have to urinate or defecate
opaque coyote
Like they're mostly boring
And then suddenly you get ""American"" soldiers shooting down people in the street
humble shoal
Yeah
humble shoal
And then suddenly you get ""American"" soldiers shooting down people in the stre...
Have you seen the chinese cut of fight club?
That is funny
celest cedar
Like they just didn't work together at all
he he man also didnt think much of the Japanese until he had to ally with them
opaque coyote
There are some movies and shows that are actually interesting to watch beyond just "DPRK crazy"
celest cedar
then proceeds calling them honorary Aryans
humble shoal
Chinese fight club ends with tyler durden getting arrested before project mayhem happens and he gets mental health counseling
opaque coyote
Chinese fight club ends with tyler durden getting arrested before project mayhem...
Honestly that's actually the book's ending
Like that's basically what happens
They all get arrested
It's like a paragraph long
humble shoal
Honestly that's actually the book's ending
It just ends to a black screen
opaque coyote
Definitely unintentional but still finny
opaque coyote
It just ends to a black screen
Ik
humble shoal
Its great
humble shoal
10/10
opaque coyote
Yeah
Although the author of the book says that the movie ending is so much better
Which tbf
It is
humble shoal
Yeah
opaque coyote
I like it when an adaptation makes a better change and the author is like
"This shit fucking rocks bro"
opaque coyote
Alan Moore, ignoring his insanity, basically hates most of his adaptations of his comics
...and to be fair
Yeah
Yeah most of them are worse
opaque coyote
But he actually liked one adaptation. Enough to even allow himself to be in the credits. It's from the Justice League Unlimited
Cartoon
humble shoal
V for Vendetta is a great movie
opaque coyote
V for Vendetta is a great movie
Loses some of the nuance of the original but it is still good
humble shoal
Especially because it predicted middle eastern conflicts up to iran
opaque coyote
But he actually liked one adaptation. Enough to even allow himself to be in the ...
The episode is "For the Man who has everything".
And honestly
Yeah the cartoon is better
The original comic was weirdly political
The episode is objectively better because it doesn't go into the weird political commentary
And focuses on superman's emotions
humble shoal
The episode is objectively better because it doesn't go into the weird political...
My favorite jla arc was probably the justice lords
And fallout from that
opaque coyote
My favorite jla arc was probably the justice lords
Justice Lords by itself is good
But the Fallout makes it elevated.
humble shoal
Question 10/10
opaque coyote
Like tbh I have a few problems with the Justice Lords.
Mainly the lack of detail with how Superman just decided to
Turn evil?
Like I don't need an entire monologue but I feel like it doesn't give enough of a good reason to have him morally devolve
humble shoal
You mean cuz flash gets merced
By a dude who superman has let live a ton of times
Who also conned his way into the presidency
opaque coyote
You mean cuz flash gets merced
Well that. But also why would lasering Lex Luthor who was about to nuke the world
Be
Well
humble shoal
Evil?
opaque coyote
The thing that turns him into a dictator
humble shoal
Probably because superman is one bad day from becoming world dictator
opaque coyote
This is a controversial take but honestly
Injustice did Superman's turn into becoming a dictator better.
humble shoal
The only reason he is a good guy is because he doesnt have to struggle with it.
opaque coyote
Like I think Justice Lords overall is better than Injustice
humble shoal
At least in JLA
opaque coyote
But
I feel like Injustice Supes had a better reason for turning evil compared to Justice Lords
opaque coyote
There are still some flaws.
Like I hate it when they say that "Lois is the only thing keeping Superman sane"
humble shoal
opaque coyote
Then the fallout of the president luther arc
President Luthor was top class writing though.
Especially the reveal
humble shoal
Yeah
opaque coyote
"President? Do you know how much power I'd have to give up to be president?"
...
Don't worry Lex. Just do the same thing as Donald did
Jokes aside, that is still such a good line.
Because yeah, Presidents still have stuff like Courts and the people to "satisfy"
Lex doesn't want that
He wants more
He wants so
So
Much more
opaque coyote
Yeah
Also the DCAU basically is the definitive voice for the DC characters
For me
Like whenever I read a comic
It's Kevin Conroy as Batman.
George Newburn as Superman.
Etc.
humble shoal
Mark hamill as joker
opaque coyote
Yeah George got his start in Justice League and voices Superman for a lot of other shit too
Including Injustice
And I have to admit. Justice Lords and Injustice shows that he can be intimidating
He is honestly underrated because
He makes such a good superman
opaque coyote
Mark hamill as joker
Tbh I do actually have different voices for him. Because Clown Prince of Crime.
Hamill is the first one though
humble shoal
I like romero
opaque coyote
I like romero
I also like John DiMaggio's voice for him
It's less "hyper" compared to Hamill's
Slower and intimidating
Less "loud performance clown" and more somebody making sarcastic remarks and jokes in a bar. Leaning less into the clown, and more into the general comedian.
Also he voices Jake the Dog
You can hear it in the beginning of his laughs
Basically a weird in-between with Heath and Mark
dreamy totem
Working on something. How many gaurd soldiers would it take to take on a korne bloodletter. Assuming that the guardsmen aren’t immediately in melee combat.
winter vessel
Also he voices Jake the Dog
“I’m tired Finn” pulls out a Glock to shoot the horse
opaque coyote
Working on something. How many gaurd soldiers would it take to take on a korne b...
What weapons do they have
Lasguns?
dreamy totem
Yes
opaque coyote
Does one have a plasma?
opaque coyote
Working on something. How many gaurd soldiers would it take to take on a korne b...
Ironically enough
Melee is more effective against Daemons
Still wouldn't try that tho
dreamy totem
Platoon size maybe. 25-30
Any other lesser korne demons that 4 or 5 could take on
opaque coyote
How many you think
Probably around... 9 people up close in ideal circumstances.
Probably around 20 realistically though.
But if it's still farther away to shoot desperately towards it. Probably 3-4 pumping lasers into it while praying
If they have like
A plasma gun or something technically only one if they get good shots
But that's also hard to do in the heat of combat
opaque coyote
Any other lesser korne demons that 4 or 5 could take on
If it's only 4 people against any Daemon upclose
They're just
Fucked
winter vessel
Yeah, there ain’t a chance
opaque coyote
Unless if they have the legendary Emperor grade plot armor
dreamy totem
I’ll just do some nurglings then
opaque coyote
I’ll just do some nurglings then
Cannot be too close also
They explode when they die
And they can get infected and die if they're in the blast zone
But it shouldn't be too much of a problem
Also Nurglings are like the size of like
A 5 year old child. With them generally being as big as like
Half a space Marine's leg.
And just about as infectious as one too
winter vessel
There was some old lore on how nurglings were made. The bizarre type
opaque coyote
There was some old lore on how nurglings were made. The bizarre type
I think now they mostly come from concentrated filth
Also Nurglings are also kinda cute.
If I was a plague Marine I would definitely have some following me around
winter vessel
I think now they mostly come from concentrated filth
Yeah, i can’t remember much on the old lore , just that involved stepping into the trail of fluid/slime a great unclean one leaves behind wherever they go.
opaque coyote
And don't forget the most famous Nurgling of them all.
You know him.
You've seen him.
The Sassy Nurgling
winter vessel
Classic
opaque coyote
CHAOS FILTH
sacred ginkgo
Who's base is that one on
winter vessel
opaque coyote
Who's base is that one on
I think from a Nurgle Plague Marine Champion
sacred ginkgo
Its cool until Screamers
opaque coyote
Personally the only thing I am disappointed about is that no enemies react to it.
sacred ginkgo
Then you go hide in a hallway or crate and heavy bolter them until they fuck off
opaque coyote
Its cool until Screamers
Yeah.
Also the reused bosses and confusing level design
The level design kinda fucking sucks
"EVERYTHING LOOKS THE SAME."
sacred ginkgo
I heart the under bridge area
opaque coyote
I also didn't like that one Chaos Bridge puzzle.
Hated that shit
sacred ginkgo
So much fun fighting on railless walkways
sacred ginkgo
Also the uhh
opaque coyote
Oh wait he doesn't know. Or does he?
sacred ginkgo
"Fuck you take damage until you realize what's happening" attack Keepers have
opaque coyote
"Fuck you take damage until you realize what's happening" attack Keepers have
Yeah
I find that a problem is that
There's not enough of a reaction to damage
Like yeah I get it, stoic space marine
But like sometimes I don't realize that I'm literally about to die until like 10 seconds later
Doom at least had like panting and shit
And also the classic head
...
Actually why didn't they have the classic head thing
It would've been cool to see Caedo's helmet become more and more broken
If fucking Chex Quest has it
So can Boltgun
opaque coyote
"Fuck you take damage until you realize what's happening" attack Keepers have
Also I guess this is a nitpick
But I wish we got more melee weapons
In Boltgun
Like we only got the chainsword and it's kinda ass. I think we got one from Temu I swear.
I wish we had shit like a Thunder Hammer
Also the weird... armor class penetration system
I get that it's supposed to reflect the tabletop
But like
It just exists
sharp pollen
this game is fucking bullshit
(rogue trader)
not only ||ulfar cant appear in the main area of the battle, the boss can put itselt near him and i cant reach it to hit or do something to it||
||wait, after the battle you can open second passage to this area why? just why doing this???||
||thank god at least Abelar is op af and i managed to deal like 80% of damage to the boss in his one turn||
plush mason
i want that
sharp pollen
can a spacemarine be a rogue trader?
humble shoal
can a spacemarine be a rogue trader?
Probably not
sharp pollen
even if he's the only successor?
humble shoal
House probably dies
Space marines dont really keep their names
Like ulfar, do you really think that was his name before he became a wolf
sharp pollen
it might be in administratum somewhere
humble shoal
it might be in administratum somewhere
The way to get the emeperor off the golden throne is in the administratum
lament shoal
Don't some marines in the deathwatch incorporate necron tech into their weaponry? I remember hearing that somewhere
arctic talon
Xeno phaseblades
queen laurel
Don't some marines in the deathwatch incorporate necron tech into their weaponry...
That would be the green swords of the necrons
Phaseblades
storm jungle
can a spacemarine be a rogue trader?
no
languid meadow
I forgot to post this earlier today and now it's late but I'm gonna do it anyway before I pass out
The Hakkapelitta
Some Finnish cav in trench crusade
We got some lore and art for them
storm jungle
I require constant new Trench Crusade lore please thank you 🗣️
languid meadow
The Finn's use heretical weapons looted from their dead since they don't have access to the heavy industry of the other faithful nations
Path of the beast mentioned 🗣️🔥🔥
Also a puzzle has been going on in their discord/website and it points to the church of metamorphosis
Can't wait
celest cedar
The Hakkapelitta
fuuuck its so good
the inclusion of the renault ft tank is a great addition to the piece too
tough haven
sly ivy
Sensible. Armadillo shares the last common ancestor of all earthly life. It is kin. Unlike the filthy alien.
lofty mason
Would you say the Inquisition, the powerful and all knowing, is competent or incompetent as a whole?
sharp pollen
is real world KGB or FBR competent or incompetent as a whole?
queen laurel
Would you say the **Inquisition**, the *powerful* and *all knowing*, is competen...
it is another case that it depends
some inquisitors are really good
some are
well
very stupid
golden imp
raven stone
Both are possible
Some are stupid and proud
Some are humble but stupid
Some are humble and stupid
(IIRC there was a minor Ordo Malleus agent who managed to drink himself drunk too deep into his supposed-to-be-fake drunkard persona)
sly ivy
… there seems to be a lack of reading comprehension here the q was literally “as a whole.”
So I’m gonna go out on a limb @lofty mason and say yes, on a whole in general they are quite competent.
The question took as a given that some parts of the inq are competent and some are incompetent, and that the request is for a subjective evaluation of a fictional galaxy-wide organization
But people are still like “well hurr durr some are good some are bad” smdh
Completely useless response. As is “it’s unknowable” of course it is it doesn’t exist.
So yes. In universe, quite competent all considered.
These are mortals who go up against gods and aliens and often win, or at least accomplish objectives.
They’re canonically put through the most rigorous selection process short of like Custodes or Grey Knights.
(Accepting that regular Astartes selection is heavily canted toward physical prowess)
If we go by book references, obviously someone could do an llm-aided quant analysis, but I would bet that the combined mentions of distant-to-proximal inquisition successes, achievements, derived intelligence etc. far outweighs mentions of failures, as does direct narrative representation thereof. Some big caveats obv: first, in universe, inq failures would be covered up. Second, rarely is the inquisition neutral and competent in a book like the aeronautica or the navy. It’s often either the protagonist or some kind of secondary antagonist.
Third, you have to balance evaluations of success against the fact that the inquisition takes on the absolute hardest difficulty tier missions almost exclusively.
Lastly you have to ask what competence means in an Imperial context. Relative to other imperial organizations? Maybe that works. I’d imagine the Custodes have an extremely low failure rate, although um their one big failure was uh
Maybe the metric is per-capita-balanced effect on p(human survival) long term. That’s prob quite large.
Not the p itself — the effect.
… hopefully this serves to mitigate previous “HURR SOME GOOD SOME BAD DEPEND ON AUTHOR” responses. Like no shit. Uninteresting.
winged jacinth
The inquisition as an organization is borderline nonexistant, acting more like a loose network of independent inquisitors and groups lead by local lord inquisitors
Even when theres a tribunal they just get senior inquisitors from the local area
sly ivy
The inquisition as an organization is borderline nonexistant, acting more like a...
Yes but it does actually have a command structure and an overlord, and some level of standardization. So it can be taken as an aggregate. Again this doesn’t attempt to engage with the question it just points out its limitations.
winged jacinth
They really don't have some level of standardization
sly ivy
I could equally ask “what’s general public opinion on x” and could get as a response a Gallup poll, which I would argue is useful
winged jacinth
Some are zealots who hang out with monks and death cultists
Some hang out with aliens
Some summon daemons
sly ivy
But you could always say “well noooooo each person has an independent mind so how does that tell you anything”
winged jacinth
I have never heard of an inquisitor actually answering to the ordos on terra
sly ivy
Or better like “what’s public opinion among people who do jobs involving sanctioned use of guns”
It can be vague but there are enough commonalities that inq can be taken as a population
winged jacinth
I don't know what to tell you dude they're not space marines
sly ivy
Idk why people always get lost in the weeds when asked to generalize. It is possible to attempt to generalize.
Even across large and diverse groups.
winged jacinth
They come from lineages of teachers and are hugely factionalized even within an ordo
sly ivy
Yes the same is true for say chemists, or Democrats in the US, or carpenters
Or people with children in the world
But data from those groups are still interesting and can be collected.
Your answer is typical of a set of answers that fails to address a question explicitly about generalizing.
winged jacinth
Well "how competent are [ ] as a whole" is a meaningless subjective question for all those groups too
sly ivy
No it’s not. Not if you develop a definition of competence.
winged jacinth
What do you even mean by competency
sly ivy
See above smdh
winged jacinth
The imperial interior isnt swamped by aliens and daemons, i would say that's the only bar for "inquisitorial competency"
sly ivy
It’s still an interesting question.
You can absolutely ask that q about the people I listed. Again depending.
winged jacinth
The job is being completed
sly ivy
With this kind of mushy rhetoric it would be impossible to try to know anything about anything.
winged jacinth
Try and answer your own question for one of your groups
See if you can make yourself happy
"All chemists" is probably the closest group
sly ivy
I absolutely could.
Have Democrats been % wise in the last century successful or unsuccessful in presidential campaigns by years in office? What about aggregate senatorial or mayoral campaigns? These are answerable.
What is the retraction rate of chemistry papers vs other disciplines?
These aren’t the only criteria
But data about them tell you something.
Do people with children declare bankruptcy / go on welfare or the equivalent at a higher or lower rate than the rest of the population?
These are just off the top of my head.
How often do carpenters get sued for botched jobs vs electricians etc.?
These qs all have issues because information is complex. But they tell you something.
The “noooo you can’t generalize because these things are too different” is an intellectual failure mode.
winged jacinth
Complete goalpost shift to survey results
sly ivy
Usually answers to general qs end up being “they’re competent in that x, but y, and taking into account z; but incompetent in a, but b, taking into account c; and in my opinion x outweighs a.”
You’re not gonna win this one bruh
winged jacinth
Unfortunately, we cannot survey inquisitors or imperials because they are not real
sly ivy
It’s asking for speculation which is fine.
winged jacinth
Oh well here's the speculation
The inner imperium isnt constantly on fire the inquisition is probably pretty competent
sly ivy
I was addressing your assertion that it’s useless to compare things that are really different even if they do have some vague unifying feature.
I agree with that!
I think it’s a good criterion.
The details like who knows
winged jacinth
We really don't get a window into the 40k world anywhere that doesn't have Big Problems happening
sly ivy
What’s the effect size of the inq on that outcome in an absolute and per capita sense who knows
winged jacinth
And generally in big problems town the inquisition has been incompetent unless the main character is an inquisitor
sly ivy
But one gets the “feeling” it’s not insignificant, even from books like Gaunt’s Ghosts where we often get inquisitorial interference and kind of peepee poopoo inquisitors
winged jacinth
So... depends on the story
Inquisitors suck at their jobs unless they're offscreen or a leading character
sly ivy
Inquisitors suck at their jobs unless they're offscreen or a leading character
Yeah except as I said above you so often see “the inq got this info” or “the inq did this” but less often “the inq completely cocked up this and now the entire sector is a giant nurgle large intestine quite literally”
But also in universe that would be covered up
winged jacinth
Also a bunch of them are evil so how does that balance out on competency? Who knows