40k-lore-chat

[sharp pollen]

straight up assault

no balls to say it in my face?

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-eating-eating-burger-fast-gif-22115567

do not make me perceive more cringe than I already have to

[sharp pollen]

no balls to say what you think in my face still..

[spare osprey]

i'm glad this mentions the Rock myth

[storm jungle]

"why is trans a thing why why why"

why is anything a thing dingus

[opaque coyote]

...well it all started at the big ba-

jokes aside, no idea why people care

like legit

[crisp heath]

I think the ones who care are a little uh how do I say this

[opaque coyote]

is it just revulsion over something different?

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

is it similar to how a little kid is like

disgusted at eating a new food that isn't mac n cheese

or something

[opaque coyote]

Ghhhuhyhgh

[raven stone]

The ones who care so much (at least in the West) seem to think gender issues are the new Communism or something.

Also something about straight males being maligned.

[opaque coyote]

my guy how is changing genders equal to an economic system

[raven stone]

Don’t ask me ask them! Lol

[opaque coyote]

aaaaAAA

I know but I can't help it

it

https://tenor.com/view/crashout-skeleteon-skeleton-meme-skeleteton-crashout-screaming-gif-2819917983570648755

[raven stone]

XD

[wintry prairie]

Done. I have gon through your ModMail app, any idea how long does it usually take to review? We'd like to get started as soon as we can 🙂

[storm jungle]

They should respond in a few days or so, not really certain on the timing

[wintry prairie]

I see

[normal bluff]

Hidden gem it is

You also get the based proportions since these are firstborn terminators

[celest dome]

What's that from

[normal bluff]

Indomitus pattern ofc

[crisp heath]

When was this released like 2012

[normal bluff]

Space hulk deathwing

[normal bluff]

Original was made back in 2016

Later we got enhanced

Which brought major customization

[crisp heath]

Ah

[normal bluff]

And the chaplain

[crisp heath]

There was a older space hulk game too wasn't there

[normal bluff]

There have been a few yes, some dating faaaar back

Inductii BA are peak edgy and i'm here for it

[crisp heath]

Yeah I remember a really old doom looking one

[normal bluff]

Yep

[crisp heath]

That 30k armour?

[celest dome]

Imagine if they did a sequel but took inspiration/pointers from the tide games

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-money-futurama-gif-6882124657810317443

[normal bluff]

Yep, HH. Inductii were a unique line of marines in training

Basically, cooler neophytes

[normal bluff]

Everything BUT the store system and i'd pay up to 40€ no problem

[crisp heath]

Time to dark some tide

[raven stone]

That’s a positive way to put it.
Negative way to put it is “Marines who are rushed through the process to give more fighting units but with lesser indoctrination in Legion culture.”

[normal bluff]

Shh, don't ruin it for them

[crisp heath]

I guess cooler doesn't inherantly mean better does it

[median star]

did the necrons ever have any thoughts on what the deal w perpetuals was and to add on did they have anything specific for handling them

[tough haven]

Probably never encountered them enough to really consider it

There’s likely less than 100 or definitely 1000 perpetualsc

[median star]

trayzen would surely have atleast one yea

[tough haven]

But he wouldnt share or study it, that could damage its collectors value!

As for handling them, I imagine their weaponry that totally disassembles matter probably does the trick

If applied liberally

[median star]

it anything i think hed try and use them like a dog chance of someone having the dagger that could defo kill them would be near zero

also would any imperials in current setting even know what a perpetual is

[tough haven]

Nope

Pretty sure people in the past didn’t either

It’s a well kept secret

[digital glacier]

They'd get associated with Legendary figures like the Emperor and Saints and the like

Figures blessed by the Emperor and all of that

[storm jungle]

Perpetuals are purely a 30k slop thing so no.

[sly ivy]

How dare u call my husbando JOHN GRAMMATICUS the one true Emperor SLOP

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[normal bluff]

Castigator proportions

[hallow plover]

For now

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[crisp heath]

That boy wide

Built like a damn astartes

[covert kiln]

I kinda wish we get to deal with some xenos.

Even if it’s just like a dire avenger flitting around in the shadows.

We’re already mildly in Ordo Malleus territory in Tertium.

[normal bluff]

Precisely, i do appreciate their care for armor and detail, but man, is the arbitrator in darktide skinny. The only way to mend for this seems to be the paid DLC, makes him/her seem wider.

[crisp heath]

I like them being skinny tbh

[celest dome]

Malleus is more so Greater Daemons and Daemon Legion than just what we see here tbf

[digital glacier]

Yeah, we could do with more body variety than just height

But I imagine that's a bitch and half to add

[celest dome]

Art doesn't need to be animated, so they can get away with things more easily

[normal bluff]

well, at least you got what you wanted

[nocturne crest]

I'm surprised the Iron Hands didn't use Inductii, according to the Lexicanum.

[normal bluff]

I'd say that due to their heavy losses on Istvaan V they weren't a priority in the inductii program, not to mention, iron hands would definitely disagree with some "quick fix" like inductii were

I'm sure they'd much rather keep spiraling down the omnissian rabit hole with their existing battle brothers

[nocturne crest]

Yeah.

I just realised Salamanders didn't use Inductii as well.

While on the traitor side, Death guard and Night lords haven't been recorded as using them yet.

[hallow saddle]

It'd be pretty thematic to run some kind of combat servitors as iron hands 'inductii', that'd be cool

[wet sandal]

Alright, my fellow magi, it's officially c'Tan Tuesday

Post your favorite c'tan (shards)

Mine is Zarhulash the Potentate

[storm jungle]

[raven stone]

Is that even a thing lol

[wet sandal]

Anyone who posts Mephet'ran the Deceiver will be fucking servitorized

[sly ivy]

Dilara the Irate

[dire loom]

Yeah, it would be cool to make myself buffer and jacked in-game and built like a brick, but the customization character creator is very limited and limiting. It would need a major overhaul, plus while we're at it.. please add none ratchet haircut options or just more options in general. Some new tattoos would be nice too.

[storm jungle]

Kaggen the Lobovexatamite

[tough haven]

Void dragon 100%

[hallow plover]

This dude

Ctans belongs inside a pokeball

All c'tans have nice abs tho

[storm jungle]

go to the void dragon ctan storepage and check out his posterior

[hallow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gif-13326362

Nice glutes

[storm jungle]

someone sculpted the shit out of that 💀

[arctic talon]

this is why we need new assassins

[nocturne crest]

Do the assassins lack glutes?

[dire loom]

New class archetype confirmed?!

[storm jungle]

their asses is like very flat on the minis lol

[arctic talon]

Their asses are flat on the minis aside from the new FW ones and operative umbral six

lol

The new ones have uh, well sculpted ones

[tough haven]

6 years of assasinatorum training to get that perfectly sculpted ass

You don’t understand, it’s necessary for their missions

Every part of your body must be a weapon, especially the ass

[sly ivy]

This is the only correct answer bc it is an Imperial asset

[raven stone]

It is a weapon of mass distraction

[sly ivy]

ASS et

[tough haven]

Pretty sure a callidus can snap your neck with their ass

They are called ASS-ASS-ins they gotta have one

[sly ivy]

Emperor I see wat u have done 4 vermillion-level targets and I ask u plz…

[arctic talon]

Any assassin in the officio assasinorum could prolly break your neck with their thighs lol

[sly ivy]

Plz

[tough haven]

Exactly

[arctic talon]

They’re all absurdly augmented lol

[tough haven]

Eversor assassin killing 50 highly trained guards with only their thighs in 30 seconds

As the corrupted noble watches with increasing arousal

[queen laurel]

yeah they are so augmented and perfectly tailored to their way of assassination that it's very much scary to fight them in their field

[sly ivy]

Obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoUmBYAl25c

[queen laurel]

You have a very low chance of winning a shootout against a Vindicare

[sly ivy]

I could win it

My intellect is the highest caliber weapon ever conceived

[tough haven]

How difficult is it to destroy a necrons reanimation/stasis coffin?

With imperial technology

[arctic talon]

Not too hard

The issue is getting to it

And also some Necrons have backup reanimation things

[tough haven]

Not to mention portals to other complexes with facilities

Also I’m not sure if the coffins would self repair or if it would need scarab/wraith repair

[tough haven]

Like a simple frag grenade or similar explosive?

Or is even blunt force enough?

[arctic talon]

Frag no

Krak you’d need several

Blunt force unlikely without mining equipment

A melta could do the trick as could plasma

Power weapons Ect.

[queen laurel]

i imagine a thunder hammer would do the trick

[tough haven]

Hear me out, what if me and the boys got enough stikkbomms together

[tough haven]

Perfect!

[tough haven]

Do necron gates allow non necrons through?

I imagine it probably reacts poorly to biological life so other species can’t hijack them

[nocturne crest]

Could 100 Vindicare assassins be enough to take down an ork invasion?

[tough haven]

Depends by what you mean by “take down”

Could they kill all the leadership, yeah definitely

[hallow plover]

They go through one in a Ciaphas Cain book if I remember correctly

[tough haven]

But I doubt they could exterminate every ork

[nocturne crest]

I see.

[celest dome]

They would get overwhelmed

[queen laurel]

If you need that many of them on a SINGLE WWWAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHH

then you know damn well that's not enough

[tough haven]

Even if you kill their leaders, they’ll just appoint new ones, it’s tough to capitalize off of the loss of an officer with orks

There’s no process or bureaucracy like humans, next biggest Ork automatically leads, and all the other orks know it

[storm jungle]

Its very much not

their infighting can take forever

sometimes snowball into decimating the entire warhorde

its very much dependant on the orks themselves

[gaunt lily]

the next strongest ork gets to lead, and the best way to find out whos strongest is a good krumpin!

[tough haven]

True

[gaunt lily]

sure that one might be a bit bigger, but thats only so long as they still have their head, just gotta krump em

[tough haven]

Forgot about that, but isn’t it near impossible to fully uproot orks on a planet?

As long as a few get away, they’ll be able to get more boyz and ‘Ave another go

[gaunt lily]

destroying all the spores without outright destroying the planet is hard yeah, Armageddon doesnt keep orks in the jungle because its fun

[storm jungle]

Yeah its very much dependant on the effort itself

its like trying to convince your local government that some bad natural event is going on

most of the time you will just get waved off until it gets unavoidably worse

[tough haven]

You’ve gotta just find a governor that really hates green people

[winter vessel]

https://youtu.be/un53bIh6gUc?si=vesMDo6dyA8ZV-bB I can never get enough of Artillery Witch, praise be to Trench Crusade

also, Goetic Warlock is currently my favorite Heretic Unit

[arctic talon]

Heretics have some very fun designs

[arctic talon]

It’s possible but it’s time consuming and destructive. Also some worlds keep them around for PDF training

[winter vessel]

lord of Tumours is something else

[queen laurel]

Dilara said it but that is not as simple it seems

One of the most sure fire ways to slow down on ork army is executing the leader

And on some cases even put it on a grinding halt

[hexed orchid]

Is it that guy in the background drinking the tumour juice?

[winter vessel]

Mhmm

[arctic talon]

Yes

Don’t you?

Not a real grailhead

[shadow plover]

[hexed orchid]

Don't have any external tumours to try it

Skill issue I guess

[late osprey]

Me begging the TC team to make a long-range NA option like Samuel L Jackson in Jurassic Park

It's genuinely kept me away from trying out the game NGL

[winter vessel]

Fair

Still trying to figure out what units I’d want to start collecting for my warband

[arctic talon]

WARHAMMER CRIME CONFIRMED MY COPE WILL NEVER DIE

[queen laurel]

Bro is praying

[winter vessel]

Damn, I’ll be at the shooting range missing this

[tough haven]

How do you know?

[arctic talon]

It’s called copium

[queen laurel]

He is in the delusion of hope that it is warhammer crime

[tough haven]

C-can I have some?

It’s gonna be new dredge runners content for sure!

[arctic talon]

Yeah here

[tough haven]

Oh yeah that’s the good stuff

[sacred bluff]

pandemonium news???

[queen laurel]

Yoink

[tough haven]

All the major crime novels are getting sequels!! I can feel it!

We need more land for farming, we need to strip mine another 80,000 square miles for another layer of crops

[sly ivy]

Bro 😔

[sly ivy]

That’s literally just Kansas where I grew up smdh

[shadow plover]

sorry to hear that

[sly ivy]

It was pretty great tbh I’d move back if my job could be transported

[storm jungle]

me when industrial farming

[winter vessel]

Biotechnica

[rocky gale]

New Kharn the Betrayer

Too easy

[arctic talon]

Good eyes

Inb4 it’s something AoS

[celest dome]

I do want to say, the way the skull is attached is different

[rocky gale]

It's just from a different angle

From the back

[arctic talon]

Could just be a design change

Not the first time or last time GW has done so

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1m0pgk3/dawn_of_fire_the_silent_king_first_impressions/

https://tenor.com/view/lieutenant-columbo-columbo-peter-falk-gif-12042472524465368750

[sly ivy]

I just read selectively so as not to be spoiled but this screams mid

[storm jungle]

Apparently its good but as ever misleading title

aka Silent King barely appears and when he does he just does a generic supervillain speech and leaves as the imperials get shot with mountain dew

[sly ivy]

Am I right that neither ADB nor Abnett (nor Wraight?) has written Necrons

[storm jungle]

I actually dont know

thats a good question lol

[sly ivy]

Cringe

[rose thorn]

Chuardin

[sly ivy]

Iron golems my beloveds

[rocky gale]

No, I have already cast the stones, the fate cannot be altered

New Kharn

[raven stone]

🎶 Kharn, can he do the can can, can he do the can can 🎶

You cannot unhear it now

[rocky gale]

Just like you can never unsee Kharn having Hatsune Miku hair

[arctic talon]

Chudarin confirmed

[sly ivy]

Damn it I was gonna make the Chudarin joke

[spare osprey]

Does the size of a necron affect their sanity at all?

Like if a dude’s big he isn’t more prone to any malfunctions

[arctic talon]

No, it seems to be entirely dependent on rank and sentience

Immortals more often suffer from the disphorek in some form then warriors

[fervent gull]

Since both my PvE games are acting up and ruining my mood I have to discuss 40k lore and thank my life

And then this question popped into my head: If we got a normal plaguebearer in their normal strenght at the game, would they be more powerfull than bosses?

[spare osprey]

Ok awesome

Had an idea for a cool cryptek

[storm jungle]

Kinda.

they'd be like a bulletsponge ogryn

[fervent gull]

Plague ogryn or normal one?

[storm jungle]

Normal one, tough, hits hard but still killable

they are Lesser Demons for a reason, still formidable but also still chaff

[fervent gull]

And do you think it would oneshot us?

[storm jungle]

Uh if you get sliced yes as per the lore

but like

[fervent gull]

A huge step up compared to our rejects tho

[storm jungle]

imperial characters fight these things and also kill droves of them

so again hollywood-plot rules

lmao

[storm jungle]

We are basically an Inquisition kill-team so its fair enough

[fervent gull]

Are the imperial characters you mean are marines or like scions or else

Or normal chadsmen(guardsmen)

[storm jungle]

Yes.

🫡

[fervent gull]

Good

[fervent gull]

What would our rejects fall into in the power level categorisation?

Heard like normally inquisitorial storm troopers are 40 havoc missions maniacs in the lore

Never had 40 havoc so don't know

[storm jungle]

basically your average RPG party

can die to anything but can also relatively kill anything

[fervent gull]

Hm

What about scions?

[storm jungle]

One example from the darktide RPG

[fervent gull]

Would they be able to do the same?

[storm jungle]

Also yeah

they are basically spec ops

some also specialize in stuff thats specific things like daemons/paranormal etc

[fervent gull]

My love for scions grow each day

[fervent gull]

There is a vet waiting for shout to be available again amidst all that shit

[storm jungle]

[fervent gull]

Best rpg game I ever played

Even if it counts as one

[static wren]

hope they brought mozzie spray

thank god we dont have to fight 10,000 flies every mission

[fervent gull]

Lorewise fighting nurgle organizations sounds terrible

[storm jungle]

sickness and plague is one of the most fatal things in any kind of war so yeah that checks out lol

[spare osprey]

Ok back with a mock up, looks ugly as FUCK

But I’ll make it work

[tough haven]

Really disappointing to me

I'm glad necrons dont just get absolutely plot armored

but c'mon

[sly ivy]

Time to buy Kill Team Hivestorm my man and/or start a Bridgehead army

[tough haven]

he's THE silent king, its his debut, you couldnt give him more interesting dialogue?

[fervent gull]

It will be the first set I will buy or 3D print

Need to look up what bridgehead army means now

[sly ivy]

That’s the scion detachment for astra militarum. Tho scions and aquilons are good in every detachment.

[fervent gull]

So a whole spearate army?

[sly ivy]

Also I don’t care what people say I think the lord solar is absolutely peak 40K and I love him

[fervent gull]

I'm not used to tabletop

[fervent gull]

Macharius?

[sly ivy]

No it’s just a guard detachment (subfaction) that has a lot of treats for scions, so normally to optimize it you’d play a lot of scions

[sly ivy]

Leontus. The current one.

[storm jungle]

Very boring mini, not enough drip. Next 🗣️

[fervent gull]

Hm

[sly ivy]

Ur wrong and bad and should feel bad

[storm jungle]

Based choice, I also just went wild and unconventional when making my Cryptek lady lol

its kinda important to remember Necrons can literally look like whatever they want

[fervent gull]

So another separate force aside from normal scions?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[storm jungle]

Also @spare osprey

https://x.com/Gij_Arentz/media

[fervent gull]

28 EUROS?!

[storm jungle]

Commission my pal here, hes a great necron artist. Mention me too just incase

[sly ivy]

Tho I am also fond of the OOP legate marshal

[sly ivy]

I mean if you want to play scions in 40K, they’re part of Guard. So you start collecting a Guard army. If you want to play almost all scions you can, but you probably want eg some tanks and stuff still.

And then in 40K you choose a subfaction each time you play. There are like 6-8 or more for each army.

And that subfaction has some additional rules and stuff.

[fervent gull]

Uhh, I can't play tabletop in my country so I plan to collect only scions

For collection

[sly ivy]

Whaddya mean you can’t

[fervent gull]

Turkey moment

[sly ivy]

wait but what

[fervent gull]

Yep

[sly ivy]

what does that mean

[fervent gull]

You can buy figures but can't play

The community is so small

[sly ivy]

Ok so just bc there are so few people

If you buy kill team it’s like a board game so you have all the stuff

[fervent gull]

If I find witchfinder dilara somewhere in my province maybe

[sly ivy]

And you can teach people to play.

Kill Team Hivestorm is a complete game in a box and the rules are pretty easy.

[fervent gull]

That's the worst part, I can't find people even to play CHESS with, tabletop seems impossible

[sly ivy]

What about just bribing normal friends and family

[fervent gull]

Can we make the game PvE?

The tabletop I mean

[sly ivy]

It’s so fun

Um there are pve rules somewhere

[fervent gull]

Dayum

[sly ivy]

Tho it really shines in PvP

[fervent gull]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Nah most of them can't even commit to a single thing for hours

[sly ivy]

F

[fervent gull]

I will find witchfinder dilara in bodrum and force her to play with me

Higher chances

[fervent gull]

Than this

Hope she doesn't get offended by the joke

[storm jungle]

What is there to get offended by lol

[fervent gull]

I don't know some women I got to know irl were total assholes

Good to always play it safe

[storm jungle]

I mean its turkey

everyone is an asshole

https://tenor.com/view/turk-my-reaction-honest-reaction-turkiye-turkish-gif-26917885

[fervent gull]

Do you ever play tabletop btw?

[fervent gull]

Except you

You chill

[spare osprey]

I’m ngl

I tried 💀

[storm jungle]

Wait really

what did he do

[dapper gyro]

Well well well, I thought Dil is better than that. Turn out to be ah all the way.

[storm jungle]

Nope, way too expensive and again no community

[spare osprey]

Yeah I think I offended his Necron knowledge lmao. Haven’t heard back in a couple months

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Okay nvm

he once got mad at me for like-

liking the new Orikan design

he had a meltdown over it

[spare osprey]

Yeah I think he didn’t like my idea of like

Wearing old one skin

[storm jungle]

Yeah in that case go for Inkary

shes the other good necron artist

[spare osprey]

Defo defo

[dapper gyro]

Can't respect other people takes, truly a WH40K breed.

[spare osprey]

I got a portrait of my dynasty head a while ago

And then I fucked with a scheme, I’ve got some warriors laying around and I really wanna paint em

[digital glacier]

Whoa hang on, we have one of those?

[digital glacier]

Sick af, respect

[spare osprey]

Placements are debatable but ten shekels if you can guess the inspiration

And yes the non royals have no eyes, it’s a whole thing

[spare osprey]

I haven’t gotten too much xeno stuff but I really love the ones I have

[digital glacier]

“Lmao, then how are they supposed to aim. Stupid Xenos!”

[spare osprey]

I DO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE WORKS

Custom necron unit

Basically if you take eye guy from Ben 10 and turn him into a WiFi router necron

[languid meadow]

Holy shit Nec(peak)ron talk in lore chat

[arctic talon]

It’s a wrath and glory module

[digital glacier]

Figures

[spare osprey]

Is that the thing where they mention genestealers on world

[arctic talon]

Yes

[digital glacier]

I mean, it's a Hive World, of course they're going to have a genestealer infestation or twelve

It's almost a requirement

[golden imp]

What’s the point of terminator armor if gene stealers just cut right through it?

For hulks

It’s not even a case of them getting just over run and drowning in a swarm of claws it’s getting described as being like cutting through paper

[plush mason]

top tier facial hair though

[digital glacier]

I assume it was efficient back in the days they didn't have to encounter Genestealers

[golden imp]

It’s apparently amazing at dealing with weapons fire

[languid meadow]

I mean stealers can cut through it but it's better than normal power armour

they have to go through multiple layers and shit

[storm jungle]

Whats the point of a helmet if you can just get shot in the face

same deal lol

[golden imp]

Well it’s bulkier, heavier, much less manuaverable in very tight cqc areas

[languid meadow]

also termie armour allows for the use of better weapons in the situations they'd encounter stealers

[storm jungle]

thats why you are trained for it

genestealers are another ballpark alltogether, they are glass-cannons

also a space hulk has more threats than just genestealers, the terminator armor protects against all of that

[plush mason]

terminator armor is perfect for tight spaces like a hive city depths or a space hulk, no need to worry about the lack of room to maneuver when you are a walking tank

[storm jungle]

^

its like the same as

"Why use a tank when one rocket can just disable it"

95% of the time the thing still does its job

[plush mason]

according to the lexi the most common use of them is in hive cities, the normal power armored space marines just form barricades around the sector the terminators are in

[languid meadow]

I love terminators so much but the barricade passage is so goofy

Standing around like riot police while a bunch of dudes get to play around in their special toys

[plush mason]

hey it works, and they are there to make sure no one gets in or out

because if space marines and terminators have to purge a section of the hive something horribly wrong has happened

[languid meadow]

I'm still just peeved over what I kept reading last night

the stupid fucking rune priest and stormseer arguements

"they're all hypocrites" MORE LIKE YOU CAN'T READ

[plush mason]

stormseer?

whats a stormseer?

[languid meadow]

white scar librarians

[plush mason]

ah

idk enough about white scars to image what an argument between one and a space wolf would be like

[golden imp]

The only good librarians (I’m biased)

RIDE THE LIGHTING

[languid meadow]

it was mainly people shitting on both the rune priests and stormseers about how they treated the thousand sons

[plush mason]

tbf one rune priest really did the tsons very dirty

[sly ivy]

Based

[languid meadow]

They did I wont deny that but calling the wolves hypocrites about the warp and shit when they're right is crazy, there's a difference between saying "all warp shit is bad (ignore our rune priests)" and "Hey maybe don't fucking jump into the evil ocean headfirst"

https://tenor.com/view/zim-invader-zim-angry-kill-rage-gif-22965394

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15iRR6mI3DM ngl the mage lords of Dalaran going "lets just yeet our whole city into the newest warzone" is very warhammer pilled imo

[arctic talon]

It missed the race war

lol

[plush mason]

which one?

[sly ivy]

Race war? Race war???? Point me 2 enlistment

[arctic talon]

The blood elf, high elf one

Though I suppose that doesn’t even count as a race war

Since they’re the same race

[plush mason]

that was one of the many elf race wars tbf, the mostly human city of Dalaran didnt have a place in it

[arctic talon]

Well it happened in MoP

They were in fact killing each other in the streets of daalaran

Lol

[plush mason]

both would hard disagree with you lol

[arctic talon]

Biology does not lie

Smh

[plush mason]

fel magic mutation though

blood elves got high on that demon juice

[arctic talon]

I picked horde lul

Blood elves did not mutate in any meaningful way

Aside from their eyes

Blood/high/void elves can all interbreed perfectly fine

[plush mason]

i know but for the elves of azeroth that is more than enough to make them different races lmao

[arctic talon]

They have the same genetics smh

[plush mason]

hell high elves are just exiled night elves ffs

[arctic talon]

Anyways shadow priest in the new expac is funny as shit

[arctic talon]

Those 2 do have an actual genetic difference though

The blood elf high elf split is like what

Under 20 years old lol

It’s more of a cultural one then a biological one as well

[nocturne crest]

If there was one unit from Warhammer Fantasy or AOS that you could transport into 40k setting or vice versia, what would anyone pick?

[mossy peak]

https://x.com/wylfcen/status/1945223101416935913?s=46

Wylfċen (@wylfcen)

The problem with Latin is, it lends an air of majesty to concepts that were mundane historically. “The Magna Carta” literally means “the Big Paper.”

X · Jul 15, 2025, 8:45 PM

the entirety of 40k

[sly ivy]

Based

Basilis

[covert kiln]

I would update the Eldar exodites to include some sci fi wood elves.

Make Exodites Happen Ever.

[sly ivy]

Empire Greatswords ==> Astra Militarum. Give me elite melee infantry

Have them armed w power swords obv

[covert kiln]

Or like … some sort of zealot order that’s like disciplined fanantics.

A less hardcore sister repentiaw.

Better get on writing that fanfic, homie. 8)

[golden imp]

Was about to ask if sisters of silence can fight demons and stuff alongside custodes but then I remembered what sisters of silence are about lol

I know they can “keep up with them” somewhat but in the end they are just humans under all the training and gear. Wonder how far it goes

[dapper gyro]

They don't have much in biological enhancement, but their power armour definitely does boost their physic. They can generally beat SM 1v1 6/10 times.

[summer mural]

How does the mortis trials lore thing work exactly

Do you do a different run and get different lore each time

[cinder pivot]

You get a random lore chapter

[sharp pollen]

playing rogue trader, and i think im completely softlocked... ||got to komorra, found all my teammates except van kalox, convinced commissar to make a plan and... thats it, nothing else happens, dont know what to do||

also ||there is some guy with wings, who just standing in one of the alleys||

oohhhh for FUCKS SAKE

||there is marazhai i need to talk to||

omfg who puts him there

im so angry now oh my god...

[hexed trail]

You good now or still lost

[opaque coyote]

So y'know how there are like

Fake Jesus reincarnations or whatever

False prophets

[crisp heath]

Yea

[opaque coyote]

I genuinely wonder whether there are people crazy enough to say that they're the Emperor reincarnated or even a Primarch like Sanguinius

Or something

And actually have a following

Instead of just being shot on the spot (lmao)

[crisp heath]

Would be very foolish but I could see it happening

[opaque coyote]

I can imagine a Feudal world where someone claims to be a reincarnation of say... Sanguinius.

And they're a Psyker or something

[languid meadow]

also I'm pretty sure there was an incident of a BA thinking they were sanguinius reincarnated let me find it

[opaque coyote]

Skilled enough in Biomancy to make them look big

[languid meadow]

I think idk it's late I can't find it

eepy

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I think the only reason why false prophets don't really exist in 40k is simply because anybody that tries get shot

But

[crisp heath]

I know the black rage they perceive everything and everyone as horus I didn't realise anyone had claimed that

[opaque coyote]

It would be nice to see some

[languid meadow]

prob not real and a product of my drained mind

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-eepy-eepy-cat-cute-kitten-gif-2354054411599231174

[opaque coyote]

I think the Black Rage makes the sufferer think they're Sanguinius

And that they're fighting Horus

[languid meadow]

no no it's not that

[opaque coyote]

I'll see if there's any account of that

[languid meadow]

it was a BA being manipulated by a daemon or something they had actual wings iirc

that's like my vague memory of it

[crisp heath]

No the black rage iirc makes them think sanguines has just been slain

And they have to kill horus who slayed their primarch

[opaque coyote]

I think I found it

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Arkio

"Arkio was unaware that he had been chosen for manipulation by Inquisitor Stele in a scheme that would ultimately plunge the Blood Angels into civil war and nearly destroy the whole Chapter. Stele somehow managed to plant an "egg" (crafted by the Lord of Change Malfallax from himself) between the bones of his spinal column, and slowly mutated him into the image of Sanguinius."

[crisp heath]

Holy shit he living Sainted himself

Oooh

Someone did it to him

[opaque coyote]

Yeah he basically was mutated into looking like Sangy

And also implied to have been slowly deluded by the egg

To the point where he genuinely believed that he was Sanguinius reborn

[crisp heath]

My boy sanguinus

[languid meadow]

Yeah that's it

I knew I wasn't hallucinating

[crisp heath]

I think If chaos got sanguinus instead they would have succeeded

[opaque coyote]

This is what Arkio looked like while transformed

[crisp heath]

Instead they chose a bunch of insecure dicks w daddy issues

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

Quite baller ngl

[crisp heath]

That's the armour he wore in seige of terra

[opaque coyote]

Tbf

Khorne did actually want Sanguinius

But he got Angron

[crisp heath]

I didn't know this

Unlucky khorne

Really Shat the bed on that one

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it was more of a

"I can settle for less but it would be cool if I got him."

Type of deal

[crisp heath]

Ah

[opaque coyote]

Khorne definitely wanted both

[opaque coyote]

Tbf even the loyal sons got the daddy issues

The Emperor isn't a good dad

[crisp heath]

They all had issues lol

[opaque coyote]

Mortarion probably has the worst parental issues though

It's

[crisp heath]

Sanguinus not so much

[opaque coyote]

Almost funny if it wasn't so sad

[crisp heath]

Compared to the rest

But his dad actually made him feel appreciated so idk

[opaque coyote]

His first adoptive dad was a Chaos Sorcerer... and also a huge asshole

Then he went to a village, was happy, but then said stepdad murdered the entire village.

And then Mortarion got the Emperor.

I think you know how shit of a dad he is

[crisp heath]

Was it agron who killed the Eldar as a baby

Wheb they found his pod

[opaque coyote]

And then after he was forced to turn towards Chaos just to save his sons from suffering a fate worse than death

He got Nurgle as a dad

...

Who is arguably the God that represents familial abuse the most

At least he got the soul of his first step dad to torture

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but unfortunately he was tired out by that

Which allowed them to nail him

Literally

[crisp heath]

Oh that's really sad

Like that's actually fucked up

[opaque coyote]

Most of the Primarch stories are like that

...

[crisp heath]

Yeah

[hexed trail]

No Agron was the loser primarch who got instant enslaved

[opaque coyote]

Except Guilliman's

He actually had good parents

[hexed trail]

Believe it was the lion who came out punching

[crisp heath]

He landed and killed a bunch of Eldar with his hands as a baby

[opaque coyote]

Nah a bunch of Eldar tried to attack him first

He killed them

That tired him out

[crisp heath]

W his hands

[opaque coyote]

And that had him get enslaved

[crisp heath]

As a literal infant

[hexed trail]

This feels like a grim dirp moment

[opaque coyote]

To be fair, the Eldar were there because they thought that he would've made their lives worse

And even if he was loyal.

Yeah he definitely would have

[crisp heath]

Eldar have a thing with killing human children I stg

[opaque coyote]

And Vulkan does with their children

Even stevens

[storm jungle]

We literally got no idea who they were, idfk where this eldar thing came from

if them wanted to kill him they'd send more than just a couple of blokes lol

[opaque coyote]

Really could've sworn

Give me a sec

[hexed trail]

How do you kill bloody Eldar as a baby then just remain a slave the rest of your life and when he finally fights back his dad has to save him

[storm jungle]

Because plot.

and we need him to fall to chaos

[crisp heath]

I heard it from that YouTube ausie guy every one raves about

[storm jungle]

majorkill

lore misinformation

name a more iconic duo

[opaque coyote]

Yeah apparently in Slave of Nuceria, a farseer apparently saw a prophecy that was gonna cause ruin and sent a kill team.

[crisp heath]

On googling it , it does come up w Eldar tho?

[storm jungle]

Because literally everyone is talking about it being eldar

its become osmosis of the fact lol

i dont remember the book at all ever saying it outright

[opaque coyote]

So it was an Eldar kill team.

[storm jungle]

No 💀

its due to people like that idiot majorkill that these even happen

[crisp heath]

I saw something about them not actually being assasins but emissary

[hexed trail]

Don't worry every 40k lore nerd knows better than each other and therefore others spread misinformation. Best you can do is set up what you think the lore is and then fix or don't based on what stories and lore titbits you learn.

[storm jungle]

–sprinting through snow, rocks slicing a boy’s bare feet. The cold burning his bare flesh. Things chasing after him, whispering in an oily, sibilant tongue he cannot understand as they fly through the air. The singing sound of their blades as they cut through the freezing wind–

–the shrieking howl of one of the creatures as the boy thrashes beneath it, turning away as the glint of a dagger sings just shy of his throat. His hands find a stone, swinging it with a roar of his own. The shrieking ends with a splash of heat against his face.

[hexed trail]

Hell not even the writers have a cement idea on lore

[crisp heath]

I wouldn't say that I genuinely am a idiot so

[storm jungle]

–another of the things dies. The boy feels its pain lashing out through its body until he pulls away his touch and it goes still. He can barely keep hold of the stone now, so slick with the blood of the slender monsters that were hunting him. Now, as the boy rises from the corpse, he sees the fear in the other creatures’ eyes. He feels it in what beats in place of their hearts. The roles have reversed.

The remaining figures vanish, leaving the boy alone in the snow.

We got no idea if these are eldar, they dont even act like them

[hexed trail]

So find the lore nerd you like most and follow their lore

[crisp heath]

I don't get upset over it because like it's not really important at the end of the Day

[hexed trail]

That's good

[storm jungle]

It is when its misinformation tbh

"eldar did it" just leads to people as a whole going "oh yeah they fucking suck no wonder they did it"

lol

this applies to every faction in general

[crisp heath]

I dont agree that it's misinfo tho dilara

[storm jungle]

I mean it doesnt matter if you dont, it is

[crisp heath]

Ok?

[forest orbit]

Least illiterate 40k fan

but yeah its an actual problem, so she has a point tbh

[storm jungle]

Its a big issue yeah

especially for people that actually read this stuff

[forest orbit]

as a space marine fan i can confirm it gets very annoying lol

they always get lore from slop youtubers then just spout that nonsense as if its gospel

when like, you know, no

[crisp heath]

Every source I look says they were Eldar tho is what I'm saying and you guys are acting like it's a a sin when I'm literally just going off what iv seen

[storm jungle]

I mean

I posted an excerpt from the book

it says nothing that they are eldar

so lol

[forest orbit]

Nobody is really acting like that though, i think you are just reading too into it

[storm jungle]

Yeah that too

[crisp heath]

[hexed trail]

You are preaching to walls they will not change their stance as they believe themselves right therefore your information is misinformation

[forest orbit]

No?

Like, we literally do not know lol

[crisp heath]

Let's agree to disagree

And leave it at that

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/lieutenant-columbo-columbo-peter-falk-gif-12042472524465368750

[queen laurel]

Says the guy that is notorious in chat for imperium glazing

[forest orbit]

LMAO

[hexed trail]

Imperium is great

[forest orbit]

Weak bait

next 🗣️

[queen laurel]

At being monsters

[forest orbit]

Damn it Bulgur no

[opaque coyote]

Did some research.

Apparently it originated from Index Astartes.

We don't even know if they were Eldar, let alone what Craftworld. The old source for it from Index Astartes says this:

However it came to pass, it is known that Angron was discovered by a slaver who chanced upon the bleeding figure of the Primarch, surrounded by scores of alien corpses, high in the northern mountains. History does not record to what race these aliens belonged, but many Imperial scholars believe them to have been Eldar, perhaps attacking the Primarch with some foreknowledge of what the future held for him.

[storm jungle]

Yeah it got turned into with recent lore being "its THEORIZED that its eldar"

[hexed trail]

So is everyone else in 40k. I just relate to the actual humans the most

[storm jungle]

since index astartes is like

over 90 years old

(also now has outdated lore as well)

[opaque coyote]

It's from 2011

[storm jungle]

yeah thats 90 years

[opaque coyote]

...now I FEEL OLD

[storm jungle]

literally 1 year before the end of the world

[queen laurel]

whatever you say man

[forest orbit]

Would you say the same thing when you are on your way to a penal camp I wonder

[storm jungle]

What people that glaze dictatorial regimes fail to realise is everyone eventually gets their turn on the wheel

https://tenor.com/view/andor-dedra-narkina-denise-gough-ending-gif-4441781304951886380

[hexed trail]

Name one faction besides the tau and they are close themselves who haven't done messed really messed up stuff

[forest orbit]

Goalpost moving.

We arent talking about them. We are talking about the Imperium.

[queen laurel]

you are just moving the goal posts the imperium look better at this point

[celest dome]

Eldars ?

[opaque coyote]

Judging by the descriptions.

It sounds more like Drukhari, if it even is Eldar.

[hexed trail]

I like the humans despite of the messed up shit

[celest dome]

Interex

Leagues of Votaan (Well they do destroy worlds)

[storm jungle]

Lumbago...

[storm jungle]

My honest reaction

[queen laurel]

I mean nothing wrong with that it's your insistence to a point to say that they are the good guys

[celest dome]

Severan Dominate

[storm jungle]

Take a shot when he says "they are the only hope/salvation/defense against evil factions" etc

I gotta go back to work so lol

[hexed trail]

Yeah but the space dwarfs are a bit fresh at the moment just wait a decade and they will get their messed up moments

[opaque coyote]

mfw they literally killed every other hope

[celest dome]

Like even in the human, the Imperium is the 4th worst

[forest orbit]

They already got their messed up moments

[opaque coyote]

Does the Mechanicus count as a part of the Imperium?

[forest orbit]

Yes.

[celest dome]

Just Admech and Chaos that are worse human, rest of them are better

[forest orbit]

Its an alliance thing but they ally with the Imperium

[queen laurel]

it's within the imperial sphere so yes

[opaque coyote]

Cause I would say they're the second most fucked up

[forest orbit]

and see themselves as an entity to it

[hexed trail]

For humans they are

[opaque coyote]

First being Chaos

[forest orbit]

but like dont get me wrong

if things go to shit

[opaque coyote]

💀

[forest orbit]

Admech will 100% abandon the imperium

[celest dome]

They decidedly are not 💀

[crisp heath]

The admech gets the imperiums navigators in exchange for the tech or something like this

[forest orbit]

Nah

Navigators offer themselves up

[celest dome]

food

[forest orbit]

they are basically cartels lol

[opaque coyote]

Interex when they literally got genocided

[queen laurel]

OK so you want me to think that the faction that have notorious genocides like bombing planets, shooting you for accidentally bumping into them wrong is the good guys

[crisp heath]

They had a deal w big e tho something similar to this

You get this we give that

[celest dome]

Severan Dominate atm is still a much better organisation than the Imperium ever was

[crisp heath]

Kinda thing

[celest dome]

And it's a shit totalitarian regime still

[forest orbit]

That was in regards to agreeing to be a allied pocket empire

[hexed trail]

Navigators are an independent faction I believe.

[forest orbit]

since admech was way too costly to subdue

[opaque coyote]

If Super Earth existed, it would be better tenfold

[celest dome]

Yes

[forest orbit]

navigators got nothing to do with the mechanicus

[opaque coyote]

..

Now I want to see a Helldivers and 40k crossover

It would be cool as shit

[hexed trail]

There are some computers produced by admech and also left over from the dark ages that do the job of the navigator but they are substantially slower to navigate with

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/let's-not-bird-hooded-crow-shut-up-gif-13507623047974708682

[opaque coyote]

But it would be cool

[forest orbit]

Yeah but navigators still dominate 99% of ship-navigation in the imperium

they are a huge part of how the imperium functions

[crisp heath]

I thought they were imperium my bad

Are the the guys that have the houses

[forest orbit]

Yeah the yare

they are basically noble-cartels

[opaque coyote]

I always wonder why it's mentioned that a lot of them are so low populated that they have to do incest

[forest orbit]

they dominate the ship navigation "trade"

it was to the point that the Emperor wanted to get rid of them but lol

[opaque coyote]

Like in terms of making new navigators

[forest orbit]

its like trying to remove weapon manufacturers from America

[hexed trail]

Yeah because they are the best option even if you get a defective one because they can actually see where they are driving while others need to basically preplan the entire trip before moving

[crisp heath]

Oh I remeber one of the things was terra was to get the titans mars used

[forest orbit]

It has nothing to do with population, some navigator families can be massive. They do incest to keep their navigator genes/powers secure to pass it to the next kids in line

[crisp heath]

Back when the empires had a agreement

[opaque coyote]

Like if it's so unsustainable to keep the genes that they have to go the Habsburg route. Shouldn't they have been wiped out a long time ago?

Or is it basically equivalent to "Yeah the Orks/Tyranids/whatever are totally gonna wipe the Imperium out guys"

[forest orbit]

They arent really the best option, they are just the only one we ever had. Even the Emperor wanted to get rid of them because they were a parasitic organisation that had the imperium in a chokehold

[hexed trail]

A navigator 9 times out of 10 get you to your spot in a fraction of the time that navigator computer can

[forest orbit]

Its not unsustainable

its all about passing on the navigator gene

it will only go bad if you are just a bad noble house

some of the richest and most successful navigator houses have been successful as long due to this

[hexed trail]

40k kinda ignore the inbreeding issue

[opaque coyote]

So they just refuse to breed with navigators of other houses then?

[celest dome]

Navigator aren't something that the Emperor wanted to purge as far as we know, he may have wanted to stop using warp travel by having the Webway access

[forest orbit]

He wanted to gradually remove them

he says as much in the novel

he didnt like them having humanity in such a vice-drip

[opaque coyote]

Tbf

Like you said.

Cartel

[forest orbit]

Yeah they are impossible to remove essentially without someone like Him in charge, so its way too late now

[opaque coyote]

Although on the Navigator side of things.

It's also the only thing keeping them from being genocided

[hexed trail]

But most navigator do try to breed themselves outside the family with other navigator families if possible

[forest orbit]

political marriages are a thing ye

but its still mostly with "relatives"

lol

[hexed trail]

Only really poor families do massive inbreeding

[crisp heath]

Royal families in a nut shell lol

[forest orbit]

Literally lol

[opaque coyote]

...

Yeah I don't wanna know how those family trees look.

...or ladders in this case

[forest orbit]

probably about as complex as Targaryens lol

[crisp heath]

Don't want anyone else in the fold sleep w your cousin

[forest orbit]

I mean if shes hot

[crisp heath]

Then the next generation has fkn mental issues

[opaque coyote]

"Hey Magnus, ever heard of wincest-"

[forest orbit]

Im gonna turn into a massive mutant whale-fish the more I navigate anyway why should I care

also im rich so

(not IRL i mean )

[opaque coyote]

Apparently turning into a mutant whale-fish makes you better at your job

[crisp heath]

Apparently the ruler of Spain was so inbred it wasn't funny

[hexed trail]

Also 40k appears to have some level of gene stabilization technology for the heavily inbred

[forest orbit]

I mean

that also depends lol

[forest orbit]

My favorite part is how the most mutated navigators are actually the comfiest

[opaque coyote]

I mean

If your legs don't work.

Just replace em

Ez

[forest orbit]

as when they get taken down to the family vaults beneath their palaces as they are so mutated that they cant go to the public anymore they get absolutely spoiled in stuff to waste their time and keep themselves busy with

which is very funny

[opaque coyote]

Average discord mod

[hexed trail]

Like navigator still look messed up on birth but aren't like inhuman that only happens with age and extensive navigation

[forest orbit]

they also become these like "wise" jabba the hutt looking mfers

since they are so old

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I now have an idea of like

The Navigator on a ship casually being mutated

They can't move him out due to being fused to it

He's just stuck there

Somebody has to bring him coffee everyday

[hexed trail]

No that is an actual thing

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but like

In the POV of like somebody who has to take care of them

Like imagine being the person that has to clean him

[hexed trail]

Like it isn't uncommon if the navigator didn't die or something for them to basically become part of the ship

[opaque coyote]

[hexed trail]

Most servants of imperium probably just accept it

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but imagine getting a job.

You're a voidborn who worked hard to finally get this position

You go into the room

And then see this bloated fleshy monstrosity

You immediately try to shoot him because "suffer not the mutant" only for somebody to disarm you

"Yeah you have to take care of him now. He navigates the entire ship. Good luck."

[hexed trail]

Considering the mutant wondering the poorer decks voidborn are maybe somewhat disturbed by the sight of a ancient navigator but will probably get used to it

[opaque coyote]

Also would be a funny slice of life story

Imagine the casual conversations with the navigator

[hexed trail]

I know GW sometimes does just casual life stories every so often but I don't know of any voidborn ones

[opaque coyote]

I live for 40k life stories

Like it is fun reading about the life of someone in the literal worst regime of mankind's history

[hexed trail]

Like unless it's a slave most of the life stories show an average dude living his definition of an average life

[opaque coyote]

But the average life includes shit like casually going through the state wide archives

Traveling through it's ancient hallways, defeating cults and monsters that have laid there for generations

...

Just to get a book to bring back

[hexed trail]

Sounds just about right

The home affairs in my country can also take days

[opaque coyote]

And then they get told that they need to go back for another one

imagine the Imperium DMV

[hexed trail]

But most of the extreme depreciation of imperial life is just that extreme. Most just deal with an awfully slow government but can get stuff done in a day

It's when it has to go beyond the planets chain of command that it becomes years, decades or centuries

So like if you manage to somehow break a high level lex crime then your family has to deal with the court proceedings for the next 10 generations

Owlcat is actually the best for depicting life in the imperium

Like RT is amazing but I can imagine Dark heresy will show even more

[opaque coyote]

"Son... it's time for you to know the family secret. This document was from my great-great grandfather. And someday, you need to go to the court to defend our family name."

opens the box

dusty parchment detailing a traffic violation

[hexed trail]

That can happen if you get a pissy traffic cop who just want to ruin your life

[opaque coyote]

I'm now thinking of a story where a prisoner basically trains and grinds hard purely for the chance to duel an Arbites because of some obscure Lex Imperialis law that allows the offender to be forgiven if they or their kin participate in a duel.

And the reason why he's a prisoner is simply because the ancestor that broke the law was jailed for court proceedings

So the generations up to the protagonist basically grew up in Imperium prison

[fervent gull]

Whenever I hear cain in the lore the community always mentions how he's a rizzlord and an utter chad. How much women did he rizz up to earn that nickname?

[hexed trail]

A lot and he has also rizzed up the unrizzable

Even tech priests aren't safe

[fervent gull]

unrizzable? Can you give an example?

[fervent gull]

Lmao is that real?

[hexed trail]

Yes he rizzed a tech priest

Also don't know if this one is a meme or legit but I think he also rizzed a slaanesh daemon

You know the daemon designed to rizz you instead

[raven stone]

To be fair

Said techpriest was met when she was still mostly human to begin with

(If we are talking about Felicia Tayber)

[fervent gull]

There are MULTIPLE tech priest he rizzed up?

oh god he really is a rizz lord

[fervent gull]

holy shit

[storm jungle]

Hes basically like a Cüneyt Arkın figure if we go by turkish terms

but in reality hes a coward and suffers from impostor syndrome

he just is more Han Solo/Rogue/Natural in "safe" circumstances away from combat

[hexed trail]

Him being a coward with imposter syndrome is just for memes but he does posses god tier luck

[storm jungle]

Its not memes, he literally is a coward.

He constantly mentions he does not want to stay in combat and actively runs away from it. His luck just always works in his favor lol

[pure kelp]

He thinks of himself as a coward, but Amberly points out quite frequently that she thinks he's too hard on himself in her notes

[hexed trail]

It's more he is humble to a fault

He is actually quite the selfless hero

[pure kelp]

I mean he's fully convinced he's a coward, even though many times he's making the right decisions. Because he has gods luck

[hexed trail]

Yeah he got unmatched luck and charms

But it don't discredit his achievements

[storm jungle]

Well yeah they literally sleep together

• she edits his memoirs so

[fervent gull]

lmao

[near wasp]

Cains not a coward any reasonable person would run from what he faces just most people in the imperium aren't reasonable

[fervent gull]

I think he is a decent fellow compared to other known acts of commissars

cool guy

I was like wtf when I read his biography about leading: He doesn't send men into the meat grinder and that much makes him a hero

[storm jungle]

Yeah but Cain is at the end of the day is a more comedic series

its to the point that the author himself has said you shouldnt really consider the books as a proper guide for any lore/canon material

which I took problems with in the past because I liked Cain but then I grew to realise hes very much correct lol

[fervent gull]

We need things like these sometimes

[bitter tree]

Who here stroking they Lex

[fervent gull]

[sly ivy]

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

[vagrant fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[hallow saddle]

[winged jacinth]

Cain is a coward who's cowardice usually ends up putting him further and further in danger until he wins the plot lol

flee enemies into a cave
start seeing hieroglyphs on the wall
Type shit

[sly ivy]

Damn it didn’t u get the memo we doin staregryn now

[winged jacinth]

I aint strokin my lex

While we're at it basically every quality navigators have is in service of the Dune pastiche they are

[tough haven]

That’s the strategy, if you keep running away into worse and worse situations, eventually you loop back around

[tough haven]

why not?

[raven stone]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/p0y6yx4s/legacies-of-the-age-of-darkness-what-you-need-to-know/

Behold the Heresy (slop) damage control

[storm jungle]

LOL

welp

[rose thorn]

What happened,

[raven stone]

Apparently there was an uproar at the removal of a lot of classical HH era units like Destroyers, Terminator Armour for almost all Consul upgrade options, legion specific units…

[rose thorn]

Aren’t all of those made form the gw equivalent of toxic waste

[raven stone]

And apparently Tartaros Terminators even lost power fist…

[raven stone]

I mean the article pretty much said they removed the things not currently available in plastic.
But you know how anal some people can be - “if it isn’t in the rulebook, it isn’t legal”

[rose thorn]

Thank fuck, make people not die of blood poisoning on accident to play HH

[golden imp]

Are ork “weird boys” connected to the warp or is it a unique ork phenomenon only they can use?

[raven stone]

They are indeed also connected to the warp

[queen laurel]

No they use their own psychic field

Every single work produces their own psychic gestalt field

which is the WWWWAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH

Every ork is connected to this but weirdboyz

[fervent gull]

Guys I found abaddon irl

[queen laurel]

they have the ability to use it and bend it to their will

This psychic field is also the reason why people tend to think orks bend reality

In reality it's like reality duct tape

it will help you shoot a gun that's broken a few more times before it breaks

or make you a bit more faster if your red or a bit more lucky if colored blue

[fervent gull]

is that thing lore approved by the way?

or just some joke because ork mention it?

[queen laurel]

it's a thing but with how contradictory warhammer is it's practically negligible

everything is canon not everything is true type beat

[golden imp]

And the other ork question, were gork and mork created by the old ones like the eldar gods to kinda deal with chaos or are they a new thing

[queen laurel]

formed by orks

[golden imp]

Relatively new thing

[queen laurel]

my guy you need to read up some more

[winged jacinth]

GW please introduce a new line of models made of high lead content pewter and a new line of lead based citadel paints

[raven stone]

But psychic things are powered by the Warp

[queen laurel]

not everything

orks are one of the few where it's their own thing

[rose thorn]

The Marketing pitch for ToW;

[queen laurel]

every single one of them generates the psychic field

[winged jacinth]

its not real paint without lead acetate giving it that characteristic sweetness

[golden imp]

Wonder why the old ones didn’t connect them to the warp

They were all about the warp

[queen laurel]

well that for the eldar

[golden imp]

Right

[queen laurel]

orks are kind of designed to be literal killing machines

[winged jacinth]

the warp is generated (or at least filled up) by the collective psyches of all life

[celest dome]

In fantasy it's still powered by the Wind, kinda like Warrior Priest's Faith magic

[queen laurel]

They are self-sufficient monsters that could build giant armies immediately

[queen laurel]

That is correct every magic originates in the wind from that setting in 40K they generate their own psychic field

[winged jacinth]

yeah old ones didnt make orks psykers because they were meant to be fielded alongside eldar filling that role in old one armies

instead of having specialized training the old ones just made a new kind of guy for each combat role lol

[raven stone]

But to generate it still requires some warp...stuff.

OK admittedly maybe it is more like an extra layer

[winged jacinth]

"we need combat engineers"
"GET ME SOME APES"

[raven stone]

But it still inherently draws from it to form the effect

[queen laurel]

so this is false?

[winged jacinth]

my favorite largely unsupported theory by far is that humanity's path is an accident caused when the old ones came to earth to uplift orangutans into jokaero

[raven stone]

It's why during War of The Beast they actually find Null Maidens could affect the Waaghfield (albeit at great cost)

[celest dome]

comes not from drawing directly upon the treacherous winds of magic
Only lie here is that the Winds are not treacherous

[winged jacinth]

the 40k waaagh field is definitely warpish or weirdboyz wouldnt have daemon problems

[golden imp]

Speaking of all this warp stuff

[queen laurel]

Well because their problems is if they overload they explode

[golden imp]

In fantasy, are there blanks? Or at least magic nullifying people in the setting?

They probably have material for it but for the people themselves

[winged jacinth]

thats a good question
im not a whf head but it never came up in my encounters

[celest dome]

People not that I remember

but material yes

Obsidian is somewhat of a magic dampener

[queen laurel]

well that would be luther harkon ain't it

but i guess he's not really a person anymore

[celest dome]

Hence the Black Knight using is

[queen laurel]

oh and dwarves

Their body literally cannot absorb it even nullifies the damn thing

[celest dome]

They're resistant, they don't dampen the magic nearby

[golden imp]

A fireball still burns them though, just not as much right?

[queen laurel]

luther harkon

[golden imp]

For dwarves

[queen laurel]

it is then

but the guy is a special case

[winged jacinth]

i dunno if "its a necron experiment" is still lore but human blanks probably didnt happen by accident since apparently no other species has nulls

[golden imp]

Well blanks are 1 in untold millions. Harkon is the one lol

[queen laurel]

the wind's definitely bolstered the magic but the main source is orcs is what i believe

[winged jacinth]

i feel like "blanks were a last ditch attempt to fight the enslaver plague by the old ones" makes more sense than "the necrons did it" even if they hate the warp

[golden imp]

Necrons did it because they hate the warp