40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

like man, get a life

[dire zephyr]

I don't mean to preach to the choir but that's legit why I like this game more

All these personalities vs

[queen laurel]

it's the peak masculine fantasy of racists

[dire zephyr]

Space man number 7 talking to space man number 4

[storm jungle]

tbh its not even preaching, its normal that humans are way more diverse in the Imperium

these people go crazy when they just see some random female guardsmen NPC

ALWAYS need to find something to bitch about, its crazy

[queen laurel]

bro we are relegated as a species into one planet and we are already having this much variety on our kind

[storm jungle]

Literally yeah lol

[queen laurel]

So you're surprised that when we take to the stars we become more different people?

i do not get your logic on that one chief i'm sorry

[dire zephyr]

That isn't a model. Then it's gooning time apparently

[storm jungle]

On point.

But yeah its important to remember how shit the 40k community itself can get, its not the majority's fault but the vocal minority can get very bad.

[crisp heath]

The worst part about it is it pushes new fans away cause honestly it's stupid as hell

[storm jungle]

yeah that too

its why I always roll my eyes when people say "the 40k fandom is the best thing ever" when they can get as bad as star wars fans lol

[dire zephyr]

Idk if it does :l I think people just don't care about the problematic stuff if they aren't outright being validated by it

[queen laurel]

Honestly in my experience 40K fans are not that bad but for that to really be encountered you need to be quite deep into the hobby I'm talking bunker Buster deep

Because the loud people which are usually the bad ones are usually what you would encounter because they go out of your way to be cunts

[dire zephyr]

Or just...social media

[crisp heath]

There's a big chunk of normal cool people but the few that aren't create the stereo type I reckon

I haven't had much interaction w people like this luckily

[storm jungle]

^

We also take great care to usually ban the users that make that stuff here

(they always tend to have space marine pfps )

[arctic talon]

Irl 40k players/hobbyists
/fans are like

Much better mostly

Emphasis on mostly

[crisp heath]

Thanks for manning the gates dilara, your blood pressure must be Hecking high dealing w chuds

[storm jungle]

I literally get paid nothing and have been doing this for 4 years so i appreciate it

its the best payment i can get sometimes with these compliments/thanks

[arctic talon]

The main 40k discords pride month purge was smaller this year lol

Less Chuds shot dead

[dire zephyr]

I miss thinking like that

When it seemed so obvious that the hateful people wouldn't be that powerful, but no

Now I have contempt for most people, and I know hateful people are everywhere

[remote pike]

I wonder sometimes why there's no 40k version of the Habakkuk. It looks like something they'd like, just replace the Lancasters with Marauder bombers!

😄

[crisp heath]

Is that a landing strip on a damn iceberg

[remote pike]

it's a landing strip on a MOTORISED iceberg

[arctic talon]

Naval stuff is always underrepresented in 40k

[remote pike]

I think you could make that work in the void. just use a comet 😄

or would that be too close to being a Rok?

[crisp heath]

Do 100% water world's exist in 40k?

[remote pike]

I don't know, there are some moons that are. (e.g. Europa) Although that's frozen. A Comet would probably be more practical

[crisp heath]

Interesting

[raven stone]

…I will be honest, I actually liked the 3rd edition Heresy mechanics

No idea about how the lore was written though

[queen laurel]

ocean worlds

[dusky beacon]

Has there ever been mention of The Great Rift being visible in the night sky?

[celest dome]

In game ? Yes

[dusky beacon]

Well mostly I'm wondering if it's visible from a more distant planet like Terra

If terra isn't gonna see it for several hundreds If not thousands of years

[shadow plover]

terra is so far away still I'd reckon by normal physical laws it shouldn't be visible at terra yet

if the rift follows the physical laws on how fast light travels

[digital glacier]

I think the Great rift is visible everywhere you are in the Galaxy

Mostly because it isn't a physical phenomenon but a metaphysical one

[crisp heath]

Is it a tear in reality ?

Wait hold on nvm

[shadow plover]

The eye of terror wasn't visible on all planets either so I'd just assume it works the same way

afaik the only one that could was Perturabo

[nocturne crest]

TIL ice in space is different to ice on Earth.

[digital glacier]

The Cicatrix Maledictum is a whole different beast than the Eye of Terror

The entire Galaxy is aware of it, which is why any sort of Imperial attempt at information control is fruitless

[shadow plover]

Well yeah but I still don't think it ought to be visible everywhere already

if there's mentions of it doing so I wouldn't mind it but just as a think piece it would make sense for it not to be

people know of it sure

[storm jungle]

Im not really a Neil Degrasse Tyson material but yeah like... space is big, I doubt stellar phenomena even that much is usually visible to some extent

[digital glacier]

Again, not a normal phenomena

[shadow plover]

I'm not even about the scale but rather the time light would need to travel for it be even visible this far away

[storm jungle]

That doesnt really mean anything

especially with how inconsistent 40k writing is

[storm jungle]

Also that yeah

[shadow plover]

because we can see the shape of the milky way from earth and given enough time (a couple dozen thousand years) we would be able to see the rift as well, but given how large the distance is we shouldn't be able to see it right away nor even after a hundred years after

[storm jungle]

yeah due to the size of the galaxy and the speed of light, the great rift wouldn't be visible for nearly every world, and won't be for multiple years

[shadow plover]

exactly this

[storm jungle]

Yeah its also like still in realspace, it has to follow some of the rules it has.

some planets can see it as per Dark Imperium but others got no idea whats even happening.

[digital glacier]

Can't seem to find any concrete evidence as to my hypothesis, so I have to accept I may have imagined it

[storm jungle]

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but should there at least be one CSM, as in CSM and not cultists, that carries a shield?

[winged jacinth]

I have to imagine an author read the list backwards lol
Either that or the whole planet is devoted to titan maintenance lol

[celest dome]

There aren't any, it wouldn't really break any lore if one was added

For CSM Shield

[winged jacinth]

How many structures of ice have we found now? 19

I think psykers can all "see" the great rift but no visible light

[storm jungle]

Its 40k

if it looks cool, do it

[crisp heath]

Well apparantly the new alien movie will have hybrids , I got excited and thought they meant robotic xenos

[nocturne crest]

I saw someone say it's 21 types of ice structures now.

[storm jungle]

Honestly ill consume any Alien slop that gets put out

put me in there coach

[winged jacinth]

it keeps going up every time we figure out how to make the conditions more extreme lol

last time i checked the newest one only existed under like 4.5gPa of pressure

for the imperialists that's about 450,000 atmospheres

[rocky gale]

Palanite drip continues

[winged jacinth]

apparently ice 19 is the highest numbered one but i was forgetting about the unnumbered ices

also god damn you can make square ice by forcing supercooled water through graphene at 10gPa how did they figure that out

[sacred bluff]

uhh... 40k is completely consistent and original

[storm jungle]

😭

[crisp heath]

Yeah same here rewatch the classics atleast once a year

[raven stone]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/urpbfqfz/grace-the-underhive-with-dedicated-palanite-companions-to-beat-back-the-riffraff/

They have disintegrators

[queen laurel]

I can hear wolf's blood pressure rising

[raven stone]

Oh I was late to party :p

...

Actually

Looking at the artwork again

They almost look like they could be Red Alert 2 Conscripts...

[storm jungle]

Its the fur lmao

[plush mason]

ok that is badass

[sly ivy]

🫡

Wow guess the palanites r popular

[nocturne crest]

Are they due for a kill team?

[celest dome]

No it's Munda

[queen laurel]

Warhammer has been having police brutality craze as of late

[raven stone]

Deatwatch update has been teased as an actual Kill Team update

[nocturne crest]

Palanites kill team anyone?

[queen laurel]

it would not make sense

[raven stone]

Sadly Munda will not hit big 40k or 40k Kill Team

But you can always run the miniatures as something else

(Guard, Rogue Trader or Inquisition)

[nocturne crest]

Just have then be enforcers for any hive city.

[sly ivy]

I think it’s more like the anti-police anomaly of the past few years has died down and people remember (as shown from generations of shows and movies) that cops are, you know, the good guys.

[nocturne crest]

Paint them up in difference colour schemes based on the planet.

[sly ivy]

(And also working class etc.)

[storm jungle]

You had me at the first half lmfao

[raven stone]

Yea we more mean Palanite will not get rules for 40k kill team, but you definitely can paint and use the miniatures however you like

[nocturne crest]

That might be a bit undone now, seeing stuff like ice in the news.

[storm jungle]

Im 99% sure hes joking

hopefully

[queen laurel]

You know another police related kill team that can be on every hive city and is in kill team?

[storm jungle]

Remember, reality is always stranger than fiction.

[sly ivy]

Do you have any police in ur family / friends? Not sure about in Turkey but in the us they’re by and large decent working class people, brave and actually disproportionately minority.

[storm jungle]

They are pretty corrupt/bad here.

[sly ivy]

Ugh

[storm jungle]

also like again no offense, call me back when they arent patrolling the streets and breaking into houses like the Gestapo

its legit horrifying

[raven stone]

I am fairly certain it varies between different states in the US

[sly ivy]

Anyone here who has cops among family and friends could attest to this in us, while also understanding that power corrupts and that there are some awful ones

[sly ivy]

Do you know any cops?

[raven stone]

For the purpose of this conversation, not US ones

[sly ivy]

They’re literally like the image of the courageous working man generations of liberals have set up as paragons. Including from local communities / minority heavy etc.

[forest orbit]

I got a cousin whos a cop in the U.S and yeah can confirm, but he has more or less repeatedly said theres an awful rotten core to the US law enforcement as an organisation, people that say the opposite are usually defending like the barely existing smaller percentange

[sly ivy]

This is accepting that, like soldiers, there are bad ones.

[plush mason]

my cousin is a cop, and yeah the corruption is mainly in the police unions according to him

[sly ivy]

Oh the unions can be awful

And I’m generally pro union

[plush mason]

sadly the unions have an insane about of power in the force

[sly ivy]

Well I’m pro some unions.

[plush mason]

same but police unions seem to be filled with corruption on average

[normal light]

Seems like an average thing for most police structures everywhere

[sly ivy]

Selection for the kind of bravery required tbh also is selection for aggression and probably foe elements of antisociality.

[forest orbit]

It is. the U.S is a fucking shitshow right now

I cannot believe people that argue against it

[normal light]

I am not talking only about US

[sly ivy]

So I’m not claiming the police force isn’t enriched in psychos lol

[plush mason]

all the smart dirty cops join the union because they know it will keep IA off their backs

[sly ivy]

Just that your modal cop is a good brave guy / girl

[storm jungle]

Alligator Alcatraz moment

[sly ivy]

In the US

[forest orbit]

Im sure all those people will love their internment camps

[storm jungle]

excuse me

the correct term is "detention center"

[forest orbit]

ugh

[sly ivy]

I love mine (it’s this channel I can’t escape)

[raven stone]

I know some retired HK cops (retired at least a decade before the whole protest back just before COVID) and in all honesty?

In as much as I believe cops should be held accountable, I fully understand that they are still people and that the entire force shouldn't be dragged in the mud.

Regardless of which force we are talking about.

[sly ivy]

Body cams good. Accountability good.

Blue line bad. I agree.

[plush mason]

US cops have training and funding misallocation as the 2 top problems

[winged jacinth]

fraternal order of police covering up officer-commited crimes as pure procedure

sounds good to me

[forest orbit]

Yeet.

[forest orbit]

The problem is the bodycams always having "malfunctions" or not being presented to court

[sly ivy]

It’s not very lucrative and it’s dangerous, so tbh I think it selects against people with good management instincts.

[forest orbit]

because the law is always biased towards cops

[storm jungle]

Alright folks thats the time up for political debates

talk about police brutality in 40k instead

[sly ivy]

It’s a pretty tame “debate” innit but k

[winged jacinth]

thats cool because its uh, gritty

shoulda paid the tithe!

[plush mason]

it doesnt take management instincts to know that using half broken training kit from the 80s even though you get almost half the city's annual budget is a bad idea

[sly ivy]

I feel like literally we all kinda agree even Eli

What are palanites anyway they’re local police obv but why are they so decked out

I don’t do much of the necromunda lore tbh

[winged jacinth]

police departments dont spend all their budget on specialist gear toys they'll never use challenge

[nocturne crest]

If they ever made Chaos Arbites a thing to go alongside traitor guard, what would you want from?

[sly ivy]

Not for lack of interest just lack of uh desire to buy all the books

[plush mason]

police need less armored trucks and assault rifles and more training facilities

[winged jacinth]

seems incoherent

[storm jungle]

Its a debate when its a very real, brutal and continous issue. You being biased towards the other side that does this stuff doesnt mean much by it.

but yeah move on

[sly ivy]

Omfg imagine these guys trying to arrest Neverborn all day and just having the cuffs melt through their hands.

[celest dome]

Cause they're fighting gangs most of the time, and those presented today are body guards for Nobles when they go lower in the Hives

[sly ivy]

But if you read what I’m saying it’s… not that? Ok tho.

[storm jungle]

Yeah yeah

[nocturne crest]

You didn't pay your souls to vashtorr.

[winged jacinth]

i like how they introduced arbites to DT and RT at about the same time and both times they're very explicitly only showing up to the emergency because the tithe has been interrupted lol

[sly ivy]

I’m also one of the educated elite but it’s always interesting to see that elite debating stuff that exists at a socioeconomic level for the most part they’ll never know.

This is a general observation with no relation to previous discussions in this thread.

Are there arbites novels? No, right? Or wait…

[plush mason]

thats kinda the point of the arbites tbf

[nocturne crest]

Honestly, nurgle arbites could replace the dog with a Nursling.

[plush mason]

they are only there to enforce compliance and ensure the tithe flows

[winged jacinth]

its their primary point i just appreciate GW making sure its VERY clear

solomourne going "yeah i dont give a shit about the rebellion we're in the middle of do you know where the taxes are"

[plush mason]

yeah the lex imperialis is above the laws of the many worlds

[sly ivy]

Lmao Imperial moment

[plush mason]

solomourne is great

bro is so proud of his mastiff

[winged jacinth]

luv me dog
luv the tithe
luv the lex
'ate lexbreakers

simple as

[plush mason]

yup

[fervent gull]

I mainly only saw it from gladius but are psykers in the guard go bald?

[winged jacinth]

their heads are shaved for access to skull implants

[fervent gull]

oh I see

[winged jacinth]

afaik being a psyker doesnt make you bald but being bald is very convenient

[fervent gull]

and does that skull implant also make them blind?

[sly ivy]

The immaterium attracts lice

[plush mason]

yeah psykers in the guard and the librarians of the space marines tend to be bald

[fervent gull]

lmao

[winged jacinth]

most psykers are not blind
astropaths are blinded in the process of Soul Binding

[fervent gull]

latest bio weapon of nurgle

[queen laurel]

Nope they can see fine unless blinded by something specific

[sly ivy]

Source: ||The Warmaster, Dan Abnett||

[fervent gull]

But don't they have like a band before their eyes? In the guard I mean

[winged jacinth]

not as a matter of course

[fervent gull]

what? is it real?

I thought that eyegear and skull implant made them bald and blind

[winged jacinth]

its not super unusual for a psyker to have been blinded and go about seeing psychically like an astropath

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/psyker-dawn-of-war-warhammer40k-command-squad-imperial-guard-gif-23571492

[winged jacinth]

they just dont have to retire if they lose their eyes

[queen laurel]

No it's not real he's just being him

[fervent gull]

I don't know much about books and writers

[winged jacinth]

psyker implants are about regulating their powers and blowing their heads off if they start to have issues

[fervent gull]

but why do they make astropaths blind?

[plush mason]

everyone knows the moral of the horus heresy is bald white men are evil and cant be trusted

[storm jungle]

because they get marked by the Emperor

read the lexi

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Astropath

[winged jacinth]

the process of making an astropath involves direct exposure to the emperor's psychic power to attune them to the astronomicon and it literally burns their eyes out

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[winged jacinth]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Soul_Binding

[fervent gull]

damn

this shit just gets grim darker every day

[winged jacinth]

i think soul binding is actually some of the oldest non-retconned lore

[plush mason]

the astropath chamber on our ship in RT was neat

[winged jacinth]

its in the original descriptions of astropaths in rogue trader 1e IIRC

yeah i didnt go there when i first tried the game i just went during my new playthrough

[plush mason]

it was added with the void shadows dlc

[winged jacinth]

what a choir chamber is like is something i dont think i'd seen addressed before

the vague images to interpretation stuff had been fleshed out but not the awesome huge cogiators and stuff afaik

[plush mason]

iirc it is specifically said in RT that each choir is unique and shaped by the chiormaster in charge at the time

like ours has that special music playing to help them focus

[winged jacinth]

checking lexicanum i think the cogitator is unique archaeotech too

its called something like the fatespindle?

no page on lex

i think they should standardize the gigantic wheels method

[plush mason]

thats the chrono something and it just writes down the messages the astropaths get

[winged jacinth]

its unique to the ship i think

at their heart they're all a bunch of cabled up astropaths but i guess thats where the standard ends

[plush mason]

yeah

[winged jacinth]

the actual process of astropaths recieve images -> images to glyphs -> glyphs interpreted is almost exactly how it worked in eisenhorn iirc though

though he uses glossia over astropath which doesnt make any sense lmao

somehow his secret idomatic code survives being vibe-encoded by a stranger

[raven stone]

TBH I won't be surprised if encryption methods are esoterically complicated given how Astropaths function

Warp allows for a lot of weird doohickery

[winged jacinth]

eisenhorn has his own little thing abnett talks about that's kinda silly

[raven stone]

Yea, I just interpreted it as being encoded in nouns and names being associated with particular feelings that leads to the right conclusion

About the message being sent

[winged jacinth]

now that you mention it im not clear how encrypted astropath messages could work

updating codes around the imperium would be an impossible task

[raven stone]

At minimum, assuming you send word for word, you apply normal encryption, then pass it to astropath, it sends, is recieved, then receiving party (not the receiving astropath) decrypts

[winged jacinth]

and you cant really digitally encrypt something so extremely nondigital

[fervent gull]

wait if astropaths send messages through the warp isn't that message an open book prone to get interrupted by other entitites?

[winged jacinth]

yeah

big problem turns out

[fervent gull]

damn

[winged jacinth]

though encryption does work, somehow

[raven stone]

But 40k is Science Fantasy, so it could be as esoteric as something like...a message is transmitted in the image of a bronze Aquila hanging on a setting sun, which is cryptically coded to mean Battlefleet Modnar is to mobilize within 48 hours or something.

[fervent gull]

hm

[winged jacinth]

its an extremely common narrative device for a warp storm to completely cut astropathic communication for instance

or for daemons to send fake messages

[fervent gull]

daemons can imitate messages sent like by astropaths?

[winged jacinth]

in fact right now a warp storm is cutting off astropathic communication outside the moebian domain

its either that or they're posessing the astropath kinda hard to tell

it happens in space marine 2 iirc

(among other places)

[raven stone]

Not in full I think, and most would just take the more direct route and possess an Astropath to give or send fame messages

[fervent gull]

who in their right mind would choose to stay in the imperium man

[winged jacinth]

where you goin?

[fervent gull]

the conditions just get worse every time I hear

something new

[winged jacinth]

crusade

[raven stone]

There is the old joke that 40K fans are the only ones who don't want to live it

[fervent gull]

tau enclave said I can have worker rights and holidays 2 days a week

sounds tempting

[raven stone]

Being a Rogue Trader could also work

[winged jacinth]

the tau actually do seem to be doing ok

[raven stone]

Just go spelunking

[winged jacinth]

being a noble of any kind is pretty good

[fervent gull]

I will suicide the moment I go to 40k, that too is a horrible fate

[winged jacinth]

for the most part the imperium blew up everywhere nicer to live though

[fervent gull]

because of what?

inquisition shenanigans?

[winged jacinth]

the emperor's big plan

[fervent gull]

what

[winged jacinth]

that was the great crusade

[fervent gull]

I don't remember big E having a plan like that

[raven stone]

Yea that is actually oversimplifying too much

[fervent gull]

didn't he usually just try to conquer the planets and instructed as such to his sons?

[winged jacinth]

well yeah but then they're the imperium

he didnt actually have them all blown up no

[raven stone]

A lot of the planet blowing up happened only during the Horus Heresy itself

[winged jacinth]

but he destroyed them all

[fervent gull]

Because I can picture if current inquisition just went to great crusade they wouldn't bother one bit

[raven stone]

Mostly the Dark Angel's "fault"

[fervent gull]

just nuke everything

[raven stone]

Great Crusade they were conquering to build up planets

[winged jacinth]

there were nicer human civilizations that the imperium swallowed up

[fervent gull]

but the planets were intact mostly didn't he just wanted to unify humans and purge xenos?

also purge non compliant umies

[winged jacinth]

he wanted to maximize the size and power of the imperium yeah

and then he had his plans

about chaos and aliens and whatever

i actually dont know what his deal was with aliens

[fervent gull]

angron my man sees through that hypocrisy and doesmy favorite sequence in the whole universe

[fervent gull]

I assume he labeled every one of them as uncontrollable

maybe that's why

[fervent gull]

what did dark angels do?

[raven stone]

There are two readings.

Reading one is the over lore given reason: When humanity was lost during the Age of Strife, aliens were supposedly all oppressive and whatnot, so now humanity needs to reign supreme to keep themselves safe.

My personal reading: The Emperor’s ultimate aim is to eradicate Chaos, and Chaos Demons. The weird thing is, he decided the best thing to do is to keep the entire thing a secret because “humanity is not ready to handle the truth” (half sarcastic, over simplified air quotes). So, in order to get humans to kill demons without letting humanity knowing demons do exist…

He just said kill all aliens.

[fervent gull]

I don't remember DA's having inquisitorial panic attack at 30k

[raven stone]

During that lovely debacle of the Horus Heresy, Lion’El Johnson made a weird/wrong startegic decision: instead of beelining to Terra to defend it, he figured if he tried to attack the Traitor Legions’ homeworlds and holdings, that would force Horus and the Traitor Legions into a defensive stance. So he took to bombing and wrecking every Traitor planet he happened across.

Sadly, he was operating on the mistaken premise of “Traitor Legions are still sane enough to care.”

[storm jungle]

Literally the most gigachad take, no joke lmao

[fervent gull]

If he just made a paradise for humans he could maybe cut off all relations of chaos with umies

and the webway project and all

just starve chaos

easy solve

[outer wave]

But if you suicide in the 40k galaxy, doesn't your soul end up getting eaten by daemons and shit?

[raven stone]

That literally was his end goal, but his methods were all about the wrong way.

As it turns out, state enforced Atheism isn’t enough to answer humanity’s inherent nature.

[fervent gull]

I heard from some youtuber if you aren't a powerfull warp affiliated human you won't even know what torment is on the warp

because you won't live long to see that torment

[outer wave]

Ah right right

[raven stone]

(Yes Great Crusade era Imperium is meant to be Atheist when Emperor was walking around.)

Webway project, you actually have to blame Magnus, sadly.

[fervent gull]

If I'm something like a psyker I'm %100 going to guard and taking down as much heretics to go down with me

[queen laurel]

yeah like if i am like actually am forced to live in 40k I would be an ork no question because at least then my purpose is just to fight things and I am mostly oblivious to how ****** the Galaxy is

[winged jacinth]

yeah i think unless you're real powerful or a daemon is waiting to snatch you up your soul just kinda dissolves pretty quick

[storm jungle]

Your still can get eaten by daemons even if you arent a psyker when you die, it just depends on who "sees" your soul when you die

the Emperor doesnt protect a great majority of the human race in the afterlife

[sly ivy]

Alien thing is simple. Sentient life will come into competition. Look what happened with hominids on earth. If ur a human supremacist the path is obvious.

[fervent gull]

lovely debacle lmao, sad it didn't matter in the tactical sense

[fervent gull]

Yeah every 40k fans have the same idea as I see

most painless route I guess

[storm jungle]

pretty much

you'd be a dumbass to think you can survive in most of these conditions

[digital glacier]

There still are worst places than the Imperium...
You could be living in Turkey! 😉

[sly ivy]

😔

[fervent gull]

humanity reached that atheistics like state in the dark age of technology by just improving their science, he just miscalculated that would take a lot of time for humies to adapt

[winged jacinth]

biology knower here its very unlikely hominins were driven to extinction by other hominins with the exception of homo neanderthalis (largely by interbreeding) and homo floresiensis (probably way more recent than you'd think)

[fervent gull]

but he was still in the end human

just like his clarifyings

[fervent gull]

Bro I'm in turkey

and I confirm you

[sly ivy]

Largely untrue. Very likely extinctions caused by other hominins.

[storm jungle]

yeah his name is literally "Iron"

[fervent gull]

%100

[raven stone]

Yea, a small part of why Horus Heresy was devastating was precisely because Emperor kept so many secrets, and enforced Atheism, when it initially kicked off the Loyalists were like “well ok if we negotiated with the Traitor Legions they should still be open to reason and rational thinking like we are”, only to find out that the Traitor Legions are, in fact, fighting a Chaos religious war of annihilation.

Which then, of course, led to the Loyalists eventually responding in kind.

[fervent gull]

I live in istanbul bağcılar it's just like atoma prime's sub levels wtf

[raven stone]

(And only barely winning)

[winged jacinth]

which ones

[sly ivy]

Omg

[raven stone]

Hive cities are how Countryside Brits view urban cities in general, especially the lower hive :p

[digital glacier]

But rather than poxhounds, you have Poxcats

[sly ivy]

All the australopiths, erectus grade, Neanderthals, denisovans

[fervent gull]

holy shit

[sly ivy]

And habilis grade

[fervent gull]

I hope big E has my back if I ever die in 40k

[digital glacier]

Trust in Him!

[storm jungle]

He only picks people that would be of use to him ala Celestine and other Living Saints

[sly ivy]

not that these distinctions are really current anymore. There are better phylogenies coming.

Eventually.

Maybe.

[fervent gull]

damn good idea on paper

[sly ivy]

Depending on specimen access and whether certain people get off their German asses

[fervent gull]

in practical it's the bullshit state the imperium is in

[fervent gull]

the emperor protects.

[raven stone]

Well, it’s a bit of natural escalation of Horus Heresy itself, and partly post Emepror death PTSD

[winged jacinth]

do you have any evidence that these species experienced extinction events as a result of contemporary hominins? because you said 100%

[raven stone]

Do note the Imperium only became a religious state entity after The Emperor stopped being active.

[fervent gull]

Nah man I'm fine not being a living saint, just being a chapter serf to legion of the damned would suffice

[storm jungle]

It also doesnt help that his entire close 300 bodyguards all said to not make primarchs

[winged jacinth]

with the exceptions of neanderthals which i already carved out since we know what happened there

[sharp pollen]

these arts from "reports" are some of the best 40k shit existing

[storm jungle]

I got a ton of them saved, its a russian artist as well i think, explains a lot about why it looks great lol

[fervent gull]

@storm jungle wait you live in turkey too?

[sharp pollen]

🐘 💪

[fervent gull]

your name sounds turkish

[storm jungle]

Yeah im in Bodrum

[fervent gull]

cool place

[storm jungle]

TECHNICALLY its Persian but yeah turks use it too

[fervent gull]

I'm an ignorant fool

[sly ivy]

If you know paleontology, you know there’s little direct evidence of any competitive event but then circumstances have to be analyzed. The most obvious perturbation that affected varius hominids was the incursion of others into their territories. It’s like any other megafauna extinction.

There is direct evidence of Homo sapiens on Neanderthal violence (broken and cooked bones).

[storm jungle]

its fine I had to google it to know that

[fervent gull]

I grew up in manufactorums

[winged jacinth]

i do know paleontology and competition from other hominins, in absence of direct evidence, is a hugely improbable conclusion from a statistical standpoint

[fervent gull]

I find it hilarious how we can narrow down the horus heresy, which is an epic scale civil war on the biggest power of the galaxy like " teenage drama"

[sly ivy]

Ie, extinction timing doesn’t line up with environmental perturbations and also where we have higher resolution it’s clearly regional and associated with archaic homo and Homo sapiens incursion.

[winged jacinth]

you think Homo was contemporary with the australopithecines and densiovians?

[sly ivy]

The Australopiths are harder because of lack of data. If I had to guess I’d say probably either erectus or early archaic homo got em.

[raven stone]

Exactly what happens when Primarchs are written as (mostly) dysfunctional teens given Superhuman body and a legion. Also why so many Marine fans are a bit…well, off kilter, given the known demographic.

[sly ivy]

Denisovans are homo.

Australopiths were contemp with homo habilis grade and if I had to guess erectus

[winged jacinth]

oh what do you know proven this year

[fervent gull]

can you explain more what do you mean by slandering marine fans? I can't play tabletop so don't know how the players are like irl

[winged jacinth]

H. longi

[sly ivy]

We knew this already tho because we knew they were part of the Neanderthal clade.

The skull was icing

[raven stone]

Not necessarily tabletop, just specifically a certain segment of Space Marine fans. Who worship Marines as the ultimate expression of masculinity (including the most problematic parts of it)

And they are a subset of some rabid Imperial fans

[fervent gull]

@storm jungle sorry to ping you but have you found a way to play the tabletop at reasonable price or locations where we can play or watch in the country? It's a bit hard because the community is so smal in turkey

or like for books

[raven stone]

Who think Europe and US should go all Imperium to “save themselves”

[sly ivy]

But yeah paleo is very frustrating bc you’re right — little way to get statistical power. Much of it is history.

[fervent gull]

ultimate expression of masculinity is the guard

imo

bunch of weak chads with 6 pack against supersoldiers

[sly ivy]

It’s why I keep a hand in molecular biology too, in my lab. Sometimes you just want to do an experiment.

[raven stone]

Normal humans are much more interesting than Marines anyways.
Doing “impossible” things is easy when you can have bulky power armour and genetic engineering backing you up…

[winged jacinth]

to be frank until the rise of H. sapiens hominin populations were tiny afaik making things like disease substantially more likely

[raven stone]

Also Marines can only think in very, very narrow sense.

[winged jacinth]

theres evidence disease almost got us too

[fervent gull]

I think we also need to see more normal human games in warhammer like darktide

[storm jungle]

Okay so I hate to break it to you but for turkish people tabletop stuff is like a really "underground" thing like you said yeah, I barely can find any folks doing that stuff anywhere, theres like ONE place in istanbul lol.

I remember when I went to Brighton england UK for some extra courses and in comparison there were stores EVERYWHERE, the town I was in had fucking 6 of them 💀

[fervent gull]

much cooler and interesting concept than marines

[winged jacinth]

40k content not about space marines is wonderful and never sells as well as marineslop

this is the dark truth of this world

[sly ivy]

Awww

[raven stone]

Rogue Trader and Dark Heresy (both the older tabletop books and the Owlcat RPG adaptations/continuation/expnasions) are great

[fervent gull]

yeah figured as much, you meant the pegasus store in istanbul or like a place where we can play and watch? I'm fine even if it's just watching

I can go and watch

[storm jungle]

Yeah its Pegasus, for watching I legit got no idea, our community is basically non-existant as GW doesnt even have any official stores here lol

[raven stone]

Guard is still a bit “part of the machine” for me…but with Rogue Traders or Inquisitors, they are practically defined only by their power, role, and ideological outlook.

[fervent gull]

goddamn

[winged jacinth]

i grew up near the US battle bunker but they closed it

[raven stone]

So you can actually be…well, any sort of human you want

[fervent gull]

why was I doomed to born in this country

[sly ivy]

This is possible but the pops were pretty dispersed and timing seems improbable.

Idk how common disease as cause of large vertebrate extinction has been.

[winged jacinth]

we find a lot of evidence of epidemics but, you know

[fervent gull]

mostly treated as cannon fodder when the %10 of the PDF can kick cultist ass on a daily basis

[winged jacinth]

when it comes down to it its going to be a combination of factors anyway

[fervent gull]

But given the games usually focus on nids orks and chaos marines makes sense

[winged jacinth]

disease + famine + competition etc

[fervent gull]

@storm jungle thx for informing btw sory to ping again

[raven stone]

To be fair depends on what sort of Cult. There are some scarily competent hostile Cults out there.

(In 40k I mean)

[fervent gull]

can you elobareta?

[storm jungle]

No worries on the ping dont worry lol

[winged jacinth]

ironically im a biochemist so i spend all my time looking at molecular biology from the other direction

[sly ivy]

yes. Nonetheless big sentients tend to compete. I would put elephants in that category too and we wiped em out everywhere but Africa.

Yes yes they’re also tasty.

[winged jacinth]

TFW you will never get to taste the galapagos tortoise

[sly ivy]

Biochemistry is so satisfying. My first research was on kinases involved in cytoskeletal dynamics

[winged jacinth]

so legendarily tasty they couldnt get them back to the UK without eating them

[sly ivy]

Aplysia bag cell neuron model

[winged jacinth]

i'm pretty fresh to the field after retraining from database programming but i've done some independent research on polyphenol coordination complexes

i need to find a metals chemist to talk to about my very freaky results

[fervent gull]

even if we have poxcats they are cute untill they bite or scratch you

unlike poxhounds

sry for late ping noticed your message later when I was looking through lore messages

[winged jacinth]

i made complexes with Cu(II) Co(II) Al(III) and they turned yellow green
complex with Fe(II), same concentrations, pitch black

literally milimolar too

[raven stone]

About Cults, oh I love this topic because I see the Cult armies as offspins of greater human coverage.

Chaos Cults are random in quality - you get the idiot, edgy nihilism cults, all the way up to Cultists being led and Directed by actual Chaos Space Marines. The competence levels are all over the place (including the quality of said Chaos Space Marine should he be leading one). Some, as you say, are easily crushed. Others are patient, cunning (particularly Alpha Legion ones)

Genestealer Cults…well.
Unless you, by design or chance, managed to kill the Brood Cult Patriarch Genestealer (who is the main node telepathically directing the Cult)…good fucking luck fighting them. 99% of the time, they built their Organization and cult over multiple human generations, perfectly integrating into Imperial society (and even fighting Imperial wars) up to and until the exact moment the Tyranid Hive Fleet arrives to feed.

Which is when they do a 180, swear loyalty to the Tyranid hive forms, and just wreck any defenders so that their Tyranid “masters” can eat and feast.
And then they themselves are promptly eaten.

[storm jungle]

LOVE MY CHAOS CULTS

[storm jungle]

RAAAARGH

🗣️

[winged jacinth]

there is SO LITTLE solute in those two middle beakers i have no idea how they're so dark

[sly ivy]

Ahh that’s cool. Sounds like it verges on organic chem.

[winged jacinth]

the ligands are

[vagrant fox]

Castellans of the Rift confirmed for not lifting, can't even lift a little cultist

[fervent gull]

I will take my edgy teenage khorn cult thank you

the rest sounds horrible

[raven stone]

Yea, Khorne Cults are the least horrible and most direct of the lot

[fervent gull]

at least you get a direct death

maybe tzeentch too

seems negotiable after khorne

[raven stone]

Tzeentch screws you over (or lets you screw yourself over thinking you got the upper hand)

[winged jacinth]

the color of the solution is a quantum phenomenon called d-splitting but uh, its not really supposed to work like my results did

[fervent gull]

But I will break open my skull voluntarily if I ever get the hands of any organization that works under the name of nurgle or slaanesh

[winged jacinth]

i should have run colorimetry on them

[fervent gull]

He just comes to meeting 20 hours late

[winged jacinth]

i could have grabbed a spectrophotometer but i forgot

[sly ivy]

This is an ignorant q about this field but do you synthesize the polyphenols or extract them from plants / Cyanobacteria

[fervent gull]

each hour saying he is there in a minute

[winged jacinth]

these were extracted from Yerba Mate tea actually

synthesis would be pretty difficult but they're really common in nature

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Corpse_Grinder_Cult

[sly ivy]

I have a useless and unrealized interest in nanoscale drug delivery.

[celest dome]

It's my cooking crew

[fervent gull]

oh for fuck's sake

[raven stone]

Although, if you are an immoral enough person, you can somehow end up convincing a Patron entity to uplift you into being a Demon Prince/actual Greater Demon.

I recall the story about one corrupt noblewoman who managed to outlast three Keeper of Secrets to the point that when she wanted to consume the fourth, Slaanesh itself showed up and said “fuck it, you did a better job, be a full Demon Prince(ss)/Keeepr of Secrets”

[winged jacinth]

tannins are a subset of polyphenol for instance

you're not going to catch me synthesizing this shit lmao

[fervent gull]

Oh yeah I know that woman

badass story

but Also there is like a great sorcerer of tzeentch just got yeeted to the abyys well(don't know the full name) because tzeentch just got curious

you are not safe even if you are greater demon

from your god's shenanigan activity

[winged jacinth]

you never know what you're gonna get with ol' teezy

[fervent gull]

tzeentch's realm and relations with his daemons sounds like a comedy show or sitcom sometimes

[raven stone]

For the observer that is :p

[fervent gull]

40k is never fun if you are alive in it

[winged jacinth]

tzeentch seems like a sam hyde type to me where hes a funny social engineer but also a legitimately bad person

[fervent gull]

social engineer? they are mutants

worse than muties in DT

[sly ivy]

Lmaooo

[winged jacinth]

thats not a nice thing to say about the people on fishtank

[fervent gull]

wait

which people are in fishtank

I got shortcircuited

[winged jacinth]

fishtank is an objectively evil internet stream thing the sam hyde guy i was talking about runs

he gets a bunch of notable weird internet people and has them live in a reality tv house

[fervent gull]

are they weebs?

[winged jacinth]

no its usually people who are famous for freakouts or whatever

its not a nice show

[fervent gull]

gotta watch it sometime

can't be worse than turkish series

[winged jacinth]

i honestly dont think it should be allowed for the participants sakes

[fervent gull]

same case with actors in turkish series

You can encounter most diabolical shit in existence in those

[sly ivy]

This guy is so bored of being a Turk lmaooo

[winged jacinth]

this is completely unrelated but i heard one of those ice cream guys but a cone on a woman's breast in front of the mayor of istanbul and it caused a whole incident
beautiful headline

[fervent gull]

including something like a child(17 y.old) being pregnant

[vagrant fox]

inshallah my brother will be freed from turkey sometime soon

[fervent gull]

yeah I saw that bastard

[winged jacinth]

hey we had "16 and pregnant" like 15 years ago

[fervent gull]

they are not even ashamed anymore

[winged jacinth]

that was a fucked up show

[sly ivy]

maybe my brother will _free_Turkey

As George Washington intended

[winged jacinth]

turkey 51st state

eric adams true plan

[sly ivy]

🫡

[fervent gull]

My ultimate dream is running away from this country

an impossible feat in today's standarts

[vagrant fox]

that's the second time i've seen a turk say that in this channel

[fervent gull]

(for context: only 2 turks ever wrote on this channel)

[fervent gull]

better fate than current progress

please make it real

[winged jacinth]

best we can do is territory

[sly ivy]

Damn it’ll turn around. Solid citizenry.

… still waiting on Iran

[fervent gull]

bro you need help more than us

I think

[fervent gull]

If I think again now a turk saying I want to run away from my country in 40k lore chat sounds absurd lmao

anyways good eveing chat gtg

[winged jacinth]

i gotta focus too lol i've wasted so much time

[sly ivy]

I’m American but yes they do

I have some interest bc various parts of my family are either Indian or er Israel-adjacent.

Goodnight lol u will b back

[winter vessel]

https://youtu.be/UHe-PUzrzWQ?si=YUrW9ees6pgGTtKj

huh, had no idea Hunter had a video for MTG 40k

[sly ivy]

Who that

[winter vessel]

MeatCanyon/Papa Meat, known for creating those Horror esque animated shorts. The one behind the Wabbit Season Video that got copyright claimed by WB

[sacred bluff]

i kind of want the traitor/chaos deck just to hopefully get the kharne card

[winter vessel]

strange that it doesn't have it to begin with

[digital glacier]

What was the Wabbit season parody about?

[winter vessel]

i think it best to find out for yourself. better to google search it since YT makes it impossible to find it directly on their website

[arctic talon]

First blood ravens eavy metal have painted in an official capacity ever lol

Either that or they’re photoshops by GW

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah wolf have you seen the new enforcers

[arctic talon]

Ye

[queen laurel]

what you think?

they are seemingly getting a lot of more elite infantry

[rose thorn]

Didn’t they do the FW stuff?

[plush mason]

how much of their wargear was stolen you think?

[arctic talon]

That wasn’t eavy metal that was the FW painting team. Which used to be different but now they’ve unified with eavy metal

Weird internal company politics

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

Till Bligh died

[arctic talon]

It’ll be interesting

[queen laurel]

hell yeah

[arctic talon]

God's strongest terminally ill, deaf and blind child

Jokes aside the Enforcer stuff is interesting, I want to see their new book

[queen laurel]

Now what I want to see is what they will cook up for the other factions that are not relatively new

the gangs have been needing some sprucing up if you know

[arctic talon]

ehhhh

[queen laurel]

But of course I want them to update the one kit wonders

[arctic talon]

I'd say Goliath, and Escher don't need it that badyly

from a rules perspective

but I wouldn't say no

[queen laurel]

Corpse grinder and ogryn gang

[arctic talon]

to just more stuff lol

[queen laurel]

holy crap man they need more shit

[arctic talon]

real

[queen laurel]

by ranking the second in my priorities would be the clan houses

by first it would be those two because well you know

[arctic talon]

Clan houses are prolly in the least need

of more stuff

[queen laurel]

One kid wonders

[queen laurel]

true

[arctic talon]

though Delaque, Orlock, Goliath and Eshcer

are all missing tech hunting stuff still

[queen laurel]

they are holding up pretty good

[arctic talon]

oh also Cawdor

@queen laurel no but seriously have you considered that Gore magala is literally just a blind, deaf and terminally ill child

ignoring the fact its a giant dragon that could tear most things in half and a walking environmental disaster

[queen laurel]

oh no i have it is actually quite a evolutionary evolution

They have to survive from that point and then evolve into an even worse form but now not blind

[arctic talon]

Funny that it reproduces asexually

regarding Shagaru

[queen laurel]

ok so what type of events has nature decided OK you will evolve into a walking bio weapon

[arctic talon]

Idfk its an elder dragon

they have weird shit going on in general

Kirin can literally summon lightning storms lol

[queen laurel]

Monster Hunter ecology goes crazy

[arctic talon]

most of the ecology of non elders is like

plausible

assuming differences in physics and the idea of how "elements" work

On the otherhand elders are just all batshit insane evolutionary weirdos/dead ends

and all share a common ancestor

[queen laurel]

[arctic talon]

okay well

its not that weird

I mean its weird but like it does things irl crabs do

its just big

[queen laurel]

it's a crab with arms that could slice through a car

[arctic talon]

yeah

monster hunters world has dif physics from ours

or else all the monsters would just collapse in on themselves

there's crabs/insects irl with claws like that

and crabs that wear other stuff

[queen laurel]

somehow it could be more dangerous by picking up and mimicking another creature

how does a crab even think of making its blades even more dangerous

[arctic talon]

better way of killing its prey

Wearing the skull is just like how some irl crabs do it with shells

[queen laurel]

Also a pretty robust ecosystem because what the hell was God cooking on this one

[arctic talon]

meth

[queen laurel]

The fact that they have ecosystems powerful enough to support the growth of that thing it makes me really do not want to go there

[arctic talon]

the elder dragon evolutinary tree is so funny

[queen laurel]

With frontier monsters becoming now apparently a thing their old versions are uh

funny

hilarious even

[arctic talon]

well only some are canon to mainline

like Espinas

and Lavaisoth

and Hypnoatrice

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/xaOqZUwN3rAJWLbP8_51ffAVLui0SBaxcMkDvZstlCw/https/i.gyazo.com/0f8bbd1e08ae364ff08c8168cc67d6f8.jpg?format=webp

[queen laurel]

Hopefully they bring in more because it would be funny

i want Poborubarumu

The living hunting horn

Completely ridiculous I know but it's a wyvern whale that is also a musical instrument

[arctic talon]

Zorah Magdros and Lao Shan Lung being related is still hilarious to me

with a very distant ancestor

[queen laurel]

OK so i think zorah won the evolutionary lottery

[arctic talon]

lol

[queen laurel]

You versus the guy she told you not to worry about

[languid meadow]

I think Lao is better than Zorah fight wise

[arctic talon]

Zorah sucksa ss

fight wise

[languid meadow]

Holy shit it's so boring

[arctic talon]

literally one of the worst hunts in monster hunter history

[languid meadow]

Except the dragonator lines

[arctic talon]

and its not even close lol

[arctic talon]

Okay but the dragonator is always cool

[queen laurel]

but designwise and lore wise

i prefer the giant walking volcano

It's much more interesting to look at than wingless paraplegic rathalos

[languid meadow]

Ok so they're holding a vote in the Helldivers discord for naming the new capital city of SE

and the option that is winning

is "Gun"

[queen laurel]

Well that sounds like the hell diverse community alright

What's the other choices

[arctic talon]

anyways here's what zorah looks like without its shell

you're welcome

[queen laurel]

It looks like a licorice growing cancer tumors

[languid meadow]

I voted for Everlasting Memory

[queen laurel]

yeah you guys are not beating the gun

if there is one thing i can tell about the hell divers players is that they are straight forward

[lofty mason]

Are mastiff like this reanimated using computerized brain or the organic brain is in there but the head has been replaced with metallic one?

That is some Frankenstein shit.

[languid meadow]

they're dogs turned into living weapons

whether or not they're lobotomized or still have emotions is a case by case basis

[queen laurel]

That is actually still pretty complete for a mastiff

and to answer your question it's an organic brain preserved in there

[queen laurel]

that is nothing compared to a hardcase though

[lofty mason]

Normal doggie don’t work well?

[queen laurel]

well these aren't normal dogs

They have been bred to be basically monsters even without the augmatics

[lofty mason]

Ah.

Geneseed doggos when?

[queen laurel]

Cyber-Mastiffs are mechanical creatures that resemble a metal hound, who are guided by the brain and nervous system of a hunting creature after such components have been integrated by members of the Adeptus Mechanicus. It is also not uncommon, however, to see purely biological canines who have received some form of cybernetic upgrades
-lexicanum

[celest dome]

Cyber Mastiff usually still have the brain, or part of it still

[queen laurel]

yeah that's the more common one

[languid meadow]

It's up to the author/world/precinct

[celest dome]

Do you think the dogs that are used for the horses the Skitarii uses are more or less augmented before being modified into the horse form

[languid meadow]

Who up not having a cohesive answer

[celest dome]

It depend ™

These are were dogs

[queen laurel]

They are basically vat grown dogs

[celest dome]

Oh god the Serberies are made to live with their dogs ❤️

That's too cute

[queen laurel]

They are based on this dog breed

[celest dome]

Now I want a variant of Serberys that has the Cyber mastiff not modified into a horse but rather a bear or something

[queen laurel]

Wouldn't that just be a cyber grizzly

[celest dome]

Serbery aren't Cyber Horses 🤷

[queen laurel]

well ya got me there

[celest dome]

The ex I sold my Admech army to dislike the Serberys

I love them and would have bought some had I still been collecting

Do want a Serberys Diligence

This, but it's some Serberys pulling a coach with either multiple Skitarii Ranger (Mobile gun pack), a couple of Vanguard with a crew weapon, or a Tech Priest (Support Tech Priest)

[queen laurel]

Yeah that would be good

[languid meadow]

New combat patrols

[winter vessel]

those 'nids look pretty solid, always nice to BT sword brethren as well

[languid meadow]

Idk how I missed it but COGG the ogryn companion in DH is from the Scintillan Fusiliers

that's cool

[sacred bluff]

All that monster hunter talk

and all i can hear is "hey ugly, over here"

[arctic talon]

[winged jacinth]

I missed monster hunter talk
Between the monsters and the lack of fall damage i think it takes place on a gigantic hollow planet

Don't worry about the magma or how compasses work

[soft thunder]

servitors etc are pretty hand wavey about stuff. Admech have the "Ritual of Clear Thought" where they scoop out the half of the brain that processes emotions etc and replace it w/ computer parts. Makes them more logical and smarter etc etc or w/e. So dogs might have something like that involving an ice-cream scooper and some AMD computer parts.

[crystal forum]

i doubt dogs get lobotomized. plus it's not a servitor

[raven stone]

Admittedly, given how Forgeworlds are their own feudal domains, any and all options you listed could be true, depending on the individual Forgeworld.
(Welcome to 40k where the lore being consistently inconsistent is considered accepted canon up to a certain margin. Past that margin, you get Internet arguments :p)

[crystal forum]

the splash text we see in screen for the heavily augmented dog skins tells us they are like that due to injuries

also they're augments so it's like a human having a bionic eye

[soft thunder]

made this earlier today

more dog pics

[opaque coyote]

So

Left is normal

[soft thunder]

ye

[opaque coyote]

I think right is the most augmented

Or

Has the least visible flesh

[soft thunder]

eh it's just mix n matched bionics from Hired Gun. Can't really see their spinal RGB gamer lights

[opaque coyote]

I feel bad for the second doggo (left to right).

Poor

Boy

Probably seen some shit

I think the worst part is that I think the wounds imply that the dog had to get augmented because of an explosion

[soft thunder]

normal mastiff

[opaque coyote]

Borf

[soft thunder]

also what are the robo-horse for skitarii called?

[opaque coyote]

Apparently they're just called Cyber beasts

[storm jungle]

Serberys Sulphurhound

[opaque coyote]

Seriously

[storm jungle]

EXTREMELY

[opaque coyote]

What kinda name is that

[storm jungle]

SUBTLE

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

I think that might actually be worse than Ferrus Manus.

At least that is easier to type

And remember

And if you don't know the meaning, it actually does sound like

A name

[mossy peak]

is that really someone’s name

[storm jungle]

Yes

[languid meadow]

seeing the grey knight combat patrol next to the others is both hilarious and depressing

I can't stop looking at it

[opaque coyote]

If you mean irl no

If you mean in 40k

Yes the Iron Hands Primarch

[mossy peak]

hello i’m john iron hand primarch if the iron hands

[opaque coyote]

Iron Hands, leader of the Iron Hands

[crystal forum]

wait until you hear of angron and what he's known for

[opaque coyote]

Who has an Iron Hand

[soft thunder]

I need to make a "list of Cybernetic beasts" page

these names

[opaque coyote]

And their chapter is known to have

Iron Hands

[languid meadow]

Corvus Corax of the Raven Guard

[opaque coyote]

The only one that beats him is Russ

[crystal forum]

dont forget to mention he literally has iron hands

iron hand, leading the iron hands with his iron hands

[opaque coyote]

I think he also ate like

Molten Iron

As a kid

Because Primarch

...

You ever think Space Marines and Primarchs sometimes eat like

Inedible shit for fun

Like I'm imagining an Imperial Fist casually eating a brick sandwich

[soft thunder]

The great cannonballs of Ferrus Sphereus

[crystal forum]

dorn confirms structural integrity by tasting the bricks

mmh a fine clay vintage, kiln fired

[vagrant fox]

Didn't someone or another just slurp up prometheum at some point

[crystal forum]

some animals can eat oil so at least it makes a little sense

[soft thunder]

Psyber-Raven

[opaque coyote]

I think the Custodes don't have the ability to like

[storm jungle]

get it guys

because cyber

and psyker

[opaque coyote]

Eat all the shit

That SMs can

If I remember correctly

Like they can't just eat dirt and be like

"Nourishment."

[soft thunder]

they can learn ur entire life history from eating ur shit

[opaque coyote]

SMs or Custodes

[soft thunder]

the shitfaculty organ

[opaque coyote]

Cause I don't think there's mention of Custodes eating somebody's brain

And having the same "I'm in their POV" type shit

Tbh I like that the Custodes can't eat rocks and continue on

Shows the priorities of the Emperor

So to speak

Along with how different the SMs and Custodes are

Although I never knew why the Emps didn't give the Custodes multiple hearts

Or something

Like I get that it's implied that it's more

"Changing the body itself rather than adding on"

But the Primarchs also had multiple organs

Which makes me wonder why it just

Skipped if that makes any sense

[languid meadow]

We'll prob never know the full creation of custodes and I think that's ok

but I think

[opaque coyote]

Yeah. I'm pretty fine with that also.

But some part of me wonders

[languid meadow]

most of their process is just full on gene-alchemy

[opaque coyote]

"How the fuck does this work?"

[soft thunder]

anways back to the cyber-beasts. Where's all the cyber-cats and cyber-crocodiles?

[languid meadow]

with not as many implantations of a space marine

they're supposed to be the peak of humanity not throw away bodies

so it would make sense if they're less "scarred and tainted"

[crystal forum]

the double hearts of a space marines are like the cheap version of whatever custodes have

probably just a very strong heart

[opaque coyote]

Still makes me wonder why the Primarchs have multiple hearts though

Is it because they're like

Even more important

[crystal forum]

primarchs are made like their sons so it makes sense that they would share the same organ layouts mostly

[languid meadow]

Primarchs are the template space marines are built off of, so like they would need to be similar in a lot of ways

[crystal forum]

custodes just aren't even in the same league

[opaque coyote]

So Primarchs and SMs are in a different 'branch" compared to Custodes basically

[crystal forum]

there isn't even a standard custodes method. they're all hand crafted so they could have vastly different internal body structures between eachother

[opaque coyote]

With Primarchs basically being the pinnacle of the "Space Marine" branch while Custodes is a separate thing

[soft thunder]

primarch and custode are cousins at best.

[languid meadow]

If you wanna boil it down Primarchs and space marines are more "artificial" than custodes while this analogy doesn't really match it's the only thing I can think of

[crystal forum]

nah custodes and primarchs have absolutely nothing in common. primarchs are completely artificial

not even human

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think I have a

Not really theory but headcanon of sorts.

I'm thinking that maybe Custodes are made via the same Shaman sacrifice process. Edited in some manner.

[languid meadow]

we know the biggest factor of the creation process

and it's gene-alchemy from the dark age

[crystal forum]

the shaman process that might have created the emperor?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

[languid meadow]

they can't use the shaman shit since Custodes are not psykers

[opaque coyote]

Oh

Darn

[languid meadow]

it's their one weakness

[crystal forum]

but that created an extremely powerful psykic being. custodes dont have any psykers

[opaque coyote]

Would've been a cool explanation though.

Like the reason why they can't just make a new Emperor is because all of his bullshit is from his long life rather than just "kill a lot of people make a god"

[winged jacinth]

the big difference as mentioned is that space marines are a mass produced assembly line type deal where custodians are as babies before even developing

the shaman process is OOOOLD lore

[languid meadow]

yeah late stage infancy is where the process starts

for custodes

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but it hasn't been deconfirmed

[winged jacinth]

not actively contradicted but its like sansei era

[opaque coyote]

So

[languid meadow]

while space marines start as early teens

[opaque coyote]

[crystal forum]

i dont like the shaman origin. it just raises way more questions

[winged jacinth]

the shaman thing doesnt make that much sense considering that with how much the human population has grown there's probably as many alpha+ psykers as there were humans on earth when the emperor was born

[crystal forum]

we'll probably never know where emp came from which is dumb

he's clearly not human like come on

[winged jacinth]

he might be like tau'va

[opaque coyote]

Idk I generally just think that the process just makes a perpetual.

And that all the Emperor's powers are with the unspecified deal with the Chaos Gods + 50k years of grinding basically

[winged jacinth]

the psychic manifestation of humanity's will

[languid meadow]

inb4 GW comes out like "something something spirit of an old one"

[crystal forum]

not to mention that no other alien race in the whole galaxy has managed to have their own emp appear

[winged jacinth]

its implied that the emperor fought the void dragon sometime around M1

[opaque coyote]

Like he got the ceiling raised cause of the whole shaman thing but he still had to climb to get his bullshit powers

[winged jacinth]

St George vs The Dragon is implied to be the story of that event

[languid meadow]

yeah if mass suicide of potent psykers creates a godlike person eldar prob would've done that before slaanesh was born

[crystal forum]

yet humans before the late dark age of tech were barely psyker

there's way more psykers in 40k than there was before

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I'm thinking it's basically just a small shortcut.

Like it made Emps a perpetual instead of his full blown power

But he still had to get the rest

[crystal forum]

it doesn't explain how the emperor became the strongest living psyker in the whole galaxy on a planet that didn't even invent the wheel

[young pecan]

Female custodes are impossible btw

[opaque coyote]

RISE AND GRIND

[crystal forum]

half the people saying that shit think custodes are the same as space marines

[opaque coyote]

What's the reason for why only men can be SMs again?

Or is there none beyond "you just can't"

[young pecan]

I hate when people are confidently wrong

One of the most annoying things on this planet

[hexed orchid]

The emperor wanted an all boys club

[young pecan]

Not a clue, but wild guess is that the baseline for gene-seeds is already made to be specifically men by E, before individual chapter-specific changes

He almost definitely could have

[winged jacinth]

im saying he's like the eldar gods

or tau'va

the tau empire doesnt have a lot of psychicness going on and i think we still think the old ones visited earth

granted tau'va was manifested by non-tau members of the empire but still

[vagrant fox]

some vague notion of the gene-seed keying to male hormones and genetics or whatever

[young pecan]

(excuse to make it all moids)

[languid meadow]

"Custodes having both sexes ruins the faction and lore" Ah yes the faction that has barely existed until recently

[crystal forum]

somebody had to fish up some 20 year old single phrase from a rule book that could support the argument if you interpret it in a certain way.

meanwhile every space marine book says only males can become astartes.

[celest dome]

If it's hormones then a Trans Male could become a SM

[young pecan]

nooo bro ahaha this complex scientific process that I have mastered simply does not allow for femoi- I mean women

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/more-twinks-gif-5375053662735082927

[crystal forum]

it's clearly just people who are mistaken about the custodes process trying to justify their gamer rage

i'm angry so i must be right

[digital glacier]

That's because they lacked Protagonist aura

[languid meadow]

I agree that GW could've done it better (by y'know letting the author do it when writing the books in the first place) but like it's not even close to the worst retcon in the series

just look at the Tau

and their FTL shit

[crystal forum]

it's not even a retcon

[languid meadow]

or god even the bongsinger stuff that happened recently

[digital glacier]

I don't even mind those changes

[digital glacier]

I mean they look just like Bigger Mehreens

So I can fully understand why people are dubious at calling them anything but

Same thing happened to me when I learned about the Grey Knights

[crystal forum]

you'd think the rage bait would stop when they learn that they're not the same

but it was never about being right. it was about being angry

[digital glacier]

Indeed

They basically wanted 40K to remain the way it used to be, an 80's propriety with the sensibilities of 80's scifi

[languid meadow]

me angy no fix

[arctic talon]

well if we want 80's 40k

thats just Rogue trader

which is funny

[vagrant fox]

Either a large group or a particularly vocal group just live in a parallel 40k meme reality

[digital glacier]

Fair, so probably late 90's to mid 2000's 40K which was peak grimdark lore apparently

[arctic talon]

I mean it wasn't though

40k lore has remained the same tonally since 3e tbh

[crystal forum]

it is evolving

[sly ivy]

The male marine thing is bc marines are mass produced ish and it’s easier to make males with their far greater bone density and muscle mass into big giant ogres. This sort of makes sense

Female custodes make sense because each custodian is custom made with no expense spared.

[crystal forum]

the memes are sometimes funny these days

[arctic talon]

which is 1998? jesus christ lol

[languid meadow]

dino

[arctic talon]

3e lasted a while

[vagrant fox]

yeah like late 98 wasn't it

[crystal forum]

rawr

[languid meadow]

oops wrong image

fuck

[sly ivy]

Tf

[arctic talon]

yeah

[languid meadow]

Keep seeing this around

[crystal forum]

anything before 8th is ancient history

[sly ivy]

That was a good year.

[vagrant fox]

99 was primo

six years old and full of spunk

[languid meadow]

pointing at me like I'm not a 21yo born in 2004

[digital glacier]

There is a before and after Guilliman's return

[crystal forum]

before and after the plot was moving forward

[arctic talon]

yeah thats late 7e/8e

lol

Gman came back in Gathering storm

and everyone collectively lost their shit

in a good way

because holy shit plot progression

Also cadia blew up

[crystal forum]

then GW lost steam and doesn't know what else to do

more primarchs!!!!

[languid meadow]

I don't mind the primarchs coming back ngl, makes the setting a bit more interesting since I like when established characters come back and see new stuff.

[arctic talon]

I mean they still are doing plot progression

its just slower

[languid meadow]

also seeing Gmans hopes be crushed is hilarious

[arctic talon]

I dislike it personally

but w/e

the cat is out of the bag

[crystal forum]

doesn't seem to be going anywhere

[arctic talon]

It does

rulebook lore™

[crystal forum]

god damn it

the return of lion was extremely underwhelming

[sly ivy]

Living primarchs in 40K stinky

Let Guilliman go sit down in his stasis lawn chair again

[arctic talon]

Good

I hate primarchs in 40k anyways

I hope everyone of them is underwhelming

/hj

[crystal forum]

im fine with primarchs if it means GW can use them to move plot

[arctic talon]

This is my most grognard opinion

and no one is every changing it

[languid meadow]

ah yes in looks at price 41 USD BOOKS AUGHHHHHHHHHHHH

[crystal forum]

they look cool

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside I'm glad GW intentionally chooses

[languid meadow]

THE CODEX FOR CHAOS KNIGHTS IS 70