40k-lore-chat

[digital glacier]

The Siankong war I think it’s called

[sly ivy]

Lmao “what’s the most obscure place our made up war could be / what region is our lowest market %”

[storm jungle]

^

But nah hes a afgan vet in most portrayals

[digital glacier]

I think they wanted to keep the old Jungle fighter aspect

American wars in the middle East were pretty much are pretty much too distant for the kind of visceral close quarter violence evocative of the Vietnam war

[digital glacier]

I dunno, I'm sure people read more comics from South East Asia than say, Afghanistan

They may not be paying for 'em but eh

[storm jungle]

Tbh you can do that in those places too

the Punisher show displays it pretty well

[dapper gyro]

This is the problem when they don't want to kill or never ends a series.

Like Fury, depending on version, but most are from WW2 or Vietnam.

They have to shake his the guy back story so much for him to stay as a war Vet.

[plush mason]

a veteran with brain damage yes

its why he cant feel pain

[digital glacier]

We know Frank can't feel pain, dunno where it comes from

Perhaps it is just an innate ability

[plush mason]

iirc its the result of a brain injury in the war

[digital glacier]

Some people just have much higher pain thresholds

[digital glacier]

Hmm, makes sense I suppose

[plush mason]

basically left his brain unable to process the signals from his pain receptors

[opaque coyote]

To be honest, I think Invincible himself would probably be the closest to what Superman would be IRL.

Except without all the beat downs

[digital glacier]

Didn't know they actually gave a reason, just knew that it was just a thing Punisher had

[opaque coyote]

If there is one change I fully appreciate, it's that the Boys show basically separated Homelander from Supes immediately

Superman got a stable childhood.

Homelander uh

[plush mason]

iirc he was also involved in the super soldier testing so that might also have something to do with it

[opaque coyote]

didn't to say the least

[storm jungle]

Its not worth getting into imo

Marvel just like DC is riddled with alternate versions of characters

theres really no "base" version

[plush mason]

true

[digital glacier]

Yup

[dapper gyro]

Punisher plot armour is almost as thick as batman.

[opaque coyote]

good thing he managed to get his pain receptors damaged instead of idk

his

memory

or something

[digital glacier]

When Warhammer lore is more cohesive, you know you're looking at an ungodly mess!

[opaque coyote]

Batman is my favorite superhero

[digital glacier]

How dare you?
Nobody has got a plot armor as thick as Batman

[plush mason]

imo its even thicker because unlike batman punisher isnt rich as all hell

[opaque coyote]

I love a rich man beating up poor people (tm)

||Ignore the fact that every tv show and comic basically has Bruce and Batman both try to help Gotham||

[storm jungle]

^

[dapper gyro]

DC/Marvel you have to analyse the character from their universe, and not a blanket character.

[digital glacier]

Batman would actually defeat the Chaos Gods if he ever landed in 40K

[opaque coyote]

His true superpower.

"How did you survive getting shot"

"PEAK PHYSICAL CONDITION."

[plush mason]

all of his kit is ether taken from the black market or stolen right from the hands of the criminals he kills

[opaque coyote]

"Bruce you're 45"

[storm jungle]

tbh thats the best part with Frank

almost half the other pages is him getting meds and doing surgery on himself

[opaque coyote]

I guess it's similar to how Batman in the Arkham Game series magically didn't kill the random goon that he threw 100 punches towards.

Cause doing surgery on yourself is uh

Not suggested.

But just like how throwing 100 punches towards some random enemy is neat

[dapper gyro]

Batman physical armour is as strong as ceramite, but light enough that he can jump and do acrobatic with. His heavy armour makes Custodes auramite dreadnought looks line it is made of paper.

[opaque coyote]

So is seeing our grizzled war veteran doing surgery on himself

[digital glacier]

I guess it's similar to how Batman in the Arkham Game series magically didn't kill the random goon that he threw 100 punches towards Ran over in his batmobile at full speed and shot at with a massive mounted canon

FTFY

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, one of the cooler details is some of the details on how his gear works.

I don't care if it's bullshit, it's pretty neat bullshit.

[digital glacier]

Batman would defeat the Orks, the Necrons and the 'Nids if he had enough preptime

[opaque coyote]

Also it's implied that he actually lightens his armor during the Arkham games

[digital glacier]

And would also outmatch Tzeentch

[green loom]

Didn't know Abnett wrote the comics for Resistance

[opaque coyote]

Origins had him in basically full fucking armor while later on he gets lighter

it's pretty interesting

It's like how some special forces end up taking off some of their armor to move faster and be less tired.

[digital glacier]

Origins is a bit different than the others because it wasn't made by Rocksteady

[dapper gyro]

It is a comic, I'm just comparing fiction to fiction here.

[digital glacier]

But I really liked it actually

[opaque coyote]

Yeah IK.

[digital glacier]

Better than Knight

[dapper gyro]

Logic? Never hear of that before.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I get what you mean.

[opaque coyote]

It has one of the best versions of Bane.

[digital glacier]

Origins went with a more cartoonish exaggerated style, hence why Batman's armor is so bulky

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think it's implied canonically that he just lightened the load the more skilled he got

[dapper gyro]

Without pain, the first signal he might get if he gets an infection of his self surgery... is that the body part ceased to function...

[opaque coyote]

His armor being bulky is explained away as him being new

(ish)

As he got more experienced, he wanted more speed and the ability to be less tired.

Also as an interesting anecdote.

I always kinda wanted to make a version of Batman that starts off being closer to the punisher.

And by that I mean killing criminals

[dapper gyro]

That's the OG Batman...

[opaque coyote]

Yeah similar to that

But similar to how Batman evolved comic wise

[dapper gyro]

The earliest version of Batman had him shooting criminal.

[opaque coyote]

I was thinking of him slowly adapting his no kill rule

[dapper gyro]

To be fair, it is a mercy to them.

[digital glacier]

Gordon wouldn't want to work with that Batman

[dapper gyro]

Better than being left crippled and have to pay for medical.

In Gotham city!!!

[opaque coyote]

Definitely. I just think it would be neat to have a version of Batman develop into the "No killing"

part

Going from a violent vigilante to the one we know so that it feels more

rewarding

Like he's grown

[opaque coyote]

Honestly Gotham must have like

the cheapest rent ever

Also Bruce Wayne basically pays for a lot of shit

It's fiction so he's usually a Billionaire that actually tries to help people

Which is... honestly the most unbelievable part of Batman

Not the bat suit or his gadgets

The fact that he's a billionaire and actually trying to help people

[digital glacier]

Could work as a different take, I do like the idea of the trauma of losing his parents in that way causing him to have a strong aversion to killing of the start and how he struggles with it

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I was thinking of it as a different take and not like... the main one.

In general, yeah that's my idea too.

For Batman in general, the reason why he doesn't kill.

His parents fucking died

He just can't do it.

It's not his fault that the courts are absolutely awful and refuse to give the death penalty to the fucking Joker.

An interesting short story would be a cop basically shooting the Joker

Like Batman gives him to the police

The joker pisses off a cop due to the cop losing family from him

Cop shoots the Joker in the head, makes sure to double tap.

Consequences ensue

[digital glacier]

Yeah, at this point I want to know who on earth is the Attorney General in Gotham State

I propose Harvey Dent as a suitable replacement!

[plush mason]

ngl i bet the Arkham asylum is paying the judges to not do that

[opaque coyote]

Also in the Arkham series

Apparently Gotham is the second most dangerous city

...

What the fuck is the first?

[plush mason]

lmao

[opaque coyote]

In Arkham Origins, you find a newspaper stating that Gotham is rated as the second most dangerous city

Second

Second.

What could possibly be worse?

I guess metropolis?

[languid meadow]

Metropolis?

Since superman is there and all the big bads wanna pick a fight with him

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I was thinking of that purely because like

All of Batman's villains are fairly mortal

Superman goes against people who can destroy planets

[languid meadow]

both the best and worst place to live since lex unironically makes the city pretty good even if it's for the goal of shitting on superman

Oh yeah Bludhaven

I forgot it existed

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

[digital glacier]

So do most fans

[opaque coyote]

I keep forgetting about Bludhaven

Not Dick though

Thanks Dick

[digital glacier]

And Editors

[opaque coyote]

[languid meadow]

I forgot who's Nightwings like worst villain

I know they're mega fucked up

gotta find it

[digital glacier]

Joker's Daughter?

[opaque coyote]

Also I like Deathstroke's design and concept

...

I don't like his actual character

Mainly because he uh

likes them young.

[languid meadow]

Heartless

[opaque coyote]

[languid meadow]

iirc

[digital glacier]

Ah, every teen titan fan has that “Wow, Terra was such a cool character, I want to see more of her, let's look her up in the comics” moment

[opaque coyote]

Basically this

[languid meadow]

fraudstroke

[opaque coyote]

Terra isn't even the 10th worst thing Slades done.

Which is

[languid meadow]

it's always so hilarious that deathstrokes whole thing is beefing with a team of kids lmao

[digital glacier]

I never liked Deathstroke, even in the show

[opaque coyote]

funny and horrific

[opaque coyote]

I did like what the Teen Titans did with Deathstroke

Also the fact that even in the show he clearly still has some uh

tendencies

[digital glacier]

Ah

[opaque coyote]

Just much more subtle

[digital glacier]

Don't remember that to be honest

[opaque coyote]

Still fucking creepy as shit though

[opaque coyote]

tbf you'd have to know the comic lore to see it

[digital glacier]

Other than the obssession with Dick, no pun intended

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's one

He basically groomed Robin.

In the non-sexual way but still.

[digital glacier]

It's been so long, but I don't remember why, or how, he gets Robin to become that Skull X character

Or whatever the name is

[opaque coyote]

Red X

Basically Robin got the same tendencies from his mentor

the severe paranoia

So he basically went undercover as a villain.

[opaque coyote]

In general, he is an empty shell who thinks maybe, just maybe, if they hurt enough people it will fill the void inside them

[opaque coyote]

I think his character is generally fine. It's just personal preference honestly

Like he literally murders people for money. He isn't a good person.

A worthless pathetic creep

I like the idea, I just wish that he didn't groom minors.

It's case of how we hate jerks more than people who are pure evil in fiction

[digital glacier]

Oh, it's not even that, I just don't find him interesting as a character, I much prefer either Deadpool or Deadshot

[opaque coyote]

I don't really like Deadpool that much

Tbf he is fun when he has a good writer

but god is it easy to make him annoying in a bad way

[digital glacier]

The character did run his course, hasn't he?

[opaque coyote]

As for Deadshot.

Yeah he's more of the classic more sympathetic mercenary

I like him.

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah also I just find it funny how he literally made a deal with DC's equivalent to Satan

Just to beef with a bunch of teenagers

Also the one scene where he gets his mask ripped away and just shows that his face is a skull

It's neat

anyways teto go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPh2bWFxUz0&list=RDWPh2bWFxUz0&start_radio=1

also

[young pecan]

Lens flare not mentioned

[fair chasm]

VSync

[sacred ginkgo]

Vsync is an always on for me

My monitor has terrible screen tearing issues with games that don't have it

[forest moat]

Need grapplehawk for arbitratior

Just imagine the hawks and dogs

[tough haven]

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[lament shoal]

Teto mentioned

[crystal forum]

is that live animation

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF_Bz_1xa00

[plush mason]

it looks like it

impressive as hell if it is

[tough haven]

Think so

[crystal forum]

it does look good

[young pecan]

How accurate is it that individual guardsmen usually only survive one battle if at all?

Assuming they're all successful battles or at least successful retreats, that sounds silly

[green loom]

It's stop motion ye

[green loom]

Depends on the battle

[young pecan]

Yeah Idk though, the thought just seems silly that there would be no actual hardened veterans serving at least four or five battles

At least how the average 40k fan drums it up to be like that

[digital glacier]

Don't fall for GW's exaggerations, the setting would collapse ten times over if you did

[crystal forum]

it doesnt say that every battle will be a soldie's last

you can assume veterans of just 1 battle have much better odds

[green loom]

Survival rates for apocalyptic nightmare battles tend to just be bad

[tough haven]

I’m sure a few scurry away

But how likely is it they aren’t executed or escape the planet/warzone

[digital glacier]

I think it comes from the novel called Fifteen Hours, which was the average life expentency for conscripts joining a particularly nasty war against Orks

[crystal forum]

there are literally trillions of people on some planets

human lives are extremely cheap in 40k

[young pecan]

Yeah, I'm just not aware of any consistent source that says how long a guardsman can survive, outside of author's favorite syndroms

[digital glacier]

The fanbase being what it is, people started believing that Fifteen Hours was the average life expectancy for the entire Imperial Guard

[crystal forum]

i've seen it pop up occasionally in rule books i think

[young pecan]

Yeah that's what I hear the most

The grimdarkness is fun, the overexaggeration of the fandom is not

[crystal forum]

how long a guardsman survives as in their total lifespan?

[tough haven]

I thought the statistic was like 50% don’t make it past 15 hours

Or that 15 hours+ makes you count as a “veteran”

[digital glacier]

Yeah, it's the average

[tough haven]

I’ll have to pull out the codex again to find it

[crystal forum]

the idea with guardsmen is that the people who manage to survive are the ones getting promoted. that means sergeants have much better odds of not dying in a battle than the average guard

[young pecan]

As in how much of a veterancy can an average or above average person get before kicking the bucket

[young pecan]

That makes more sense

[crystal forum]

well this is 40k so the more a person survives the harder they are to kill

so you'll probably find some high ranking guard who's like 80% augment from battle damage

and he'll be 120 years old

[young pecan]

I was going to ask what sense you mean by that but that makes sense

Augmentation alone makes your odds a lot better

[crystal forum]

just look at the catachan guy with the winter soldier arm

[crystal forum]

you dont even need an artificial way to become strong af in 40k. just look at all the inquisitors who are all natural and kick ass

the veteran in darktide kicks major ass because he has a ton of experience

[young pecan]

I figure the inquisitors thing is just because they have much better training, much better equipment, and a retinue with rosette clout

and author favoritism syndrome

But truedge

[opaque coyote]

Apparently in WW1, the average lifespan was around two weeks for a soldier in the trenches

And only 20% of soviet's born in 1923 survived WW2

So I can imagine battles in the Imperium where the lifespan is like 15 hours

[young pecan]

I can not imagine how horrific the world war trenches were man

[opaque coyote]

But definitely not every battle

That's for sure

[opaque coyote]

I would go crazy

[crystal forum]

the training is a big part but experience is very important in the setting

[opaque coyote]

If I didn't die immediately from a sniper

[crystal forum]

novice inquisitors can die pretty easily

[opaque coyote]

Or something

I don't even know how WW1 veterans even coped.

Especially since VA was even worse than now

[digital glacier]

Oh don't worry, back then rifles weren't powerful enough to kill you with one hit a lot of the time

[opaque coyote]

And by worse I mean nearly non-existent

[crystal forum]

what

[opaque coyote]

I'm pretty sure being shot in the head kills you

Usually

Anyways

[crystal forum]

they used to fire full sized rifle cartidges man that would blow a chunk of your body off

[opaque coyote]

Yeah those bullets were gigantic

Also I think most deaths were from infections

Like a majority of soldiers died not from shells or bullets.

But from catching Dysentery

[digital glacier]

Yes, before modern medicine was standardised, disease was often the biggest killer in war

[crystal forum]

WW1 is the cusp before germ theory

penicillin was discovered just a decade later

but at least they sorta understood how to sanitize

[opaque coyote]

Honestly makes me wonder

Since the Imperium borrows much from like older eras.

Along with the fact that super Nurgle diseases exist. I'd imagine it would be similar

They do understand germ theory and have medical technology that is beyond ours. But there's not much you can do against one of Nurgle's diseases

[crystal forum]

magic diseases dont follow laws of physics so ye

get a shaman to cure you instead

or whatever the name for a healing psyker is

[opaque coyote]

Also different planets probably have different germs

Some alien disease is gonna species jump

To humans

Considering a lot of shit is just

Turned up to the extreme

I can imagine being like

"Poor guy died of a super cold."

"Is... Isn't that just a cold?"

"nah, it's super"

Oh wait it isn't Imperium enough

Uhh

Extremus Frigus

[young pecan]

Especially interrogators
||poor little cherubael host||

||But I also don't feel bad for him because he fucked everything up||

[winter vessel]

Just got off of work. The last guest I rang up at the register was a mother and her ten year old daughter. They were purchasing this. I asked em “who is it for” and the little girl replied “my best friend, he’s turning 11”

[young pecan]

Finally
Accurate space marine fan representation

[late osprey]

What kind of game is it?

[dapper gyro]

Another soul is gone.

[languid meadow]

damn GW is spawn camping now

[dapper gyro]

I hope that the girl can look for a good job in the future to support her best friend.

[winter vessel]

Board game iirc

[late osprey]

well yeah

but like

[untold vale]

I've heard in lore the officers in charge of ogryns often give them stickers as rewards, is that true?

[lament shoal]

Yes

Also in Darktide, the bully Ogryn mentions being awarded a medal by one of his commanding officers and subsequently eating it lmao

[untold vale]

The ogryn I chose stated he dont like medals bc he can't eat them lol

They seem to be quite food motivated

Also! What does the term abhuman mean?

[arctic talon]

Dungeon crawling board game

You roll dice to kill stuff

And for stuff to kill you

[winter vessel]

I’m surprised we have these in stock

But I’ve only seen the necron version at a bookstore in my neighborhood

[green loom]

Generally, "accepted" mutants

In quotations because they're still violently suppressed and hated

But useful and thus used

Wtf

Auto correct switched mutant to migrant

Lmao

[untold vale]

So, like, not human but not murdered on sight?

[untold vale]

I was very confused lol

[green loom]

Still acceptably within the bounds of "human", but different enough to still be kinda viewed as less

Not outright lynch worthy (dependant on imperial)

[nocturne crest]

Dumb question, but can the arbites arrest the crew of titans if they have fucked up the tithe?

[young pecan]

Or, as I like to call them, twists

[outer wave]

Might get complicated

[arctic talon]

They could try

It would not end well

[nocturne crest]

They got the titan killer tank ready to go in the back.

[arctic talon]

It would not go well for political reasons

Beyond just the logistics

[naive cliff]

Titan crews aren’t responsible for the tithe. Planetary governments are the ones who need to worry. Titans are operated by the Mechanicus.

[arctic talon]

^

You piss off the mechanicus

You can say goodbye to a lot of things

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[arctic talon]

Ammo, gone, armor, gone, repairs, gone

Princeps and moderatii are by far one of the most valuable things to the mechanicus

[queen laurel]

Also if it has gotten to the point where they need to deploy a Titan to win that I'm pretty sure the police force would understand that it's better than nothing left completely

[outer wave]

Has there been any example planets that pissed off the mechanicus enough that the world had to fend for itself in terms of everything?

[arctic talon]

The princeps is more valuable then the titan itself

[arctic talon]

In the 7e admech codex yes

[young pecan]

If the broader Imperium, who call ANY deviation in emperor worship down to even local variations heresy, can tolerate and even happily cooperate with metal fanatics who misname him, that should speak to how important the Mechanicus is to them

[arctic talon]

The planet basically devolves into anarchy

[outer wave]

Ooof

[naive cliff]

I don’t know that the Mechanicus are even subject to the same tithe as the rest of the imperium

[arctic talon]

They are not

They have their own separate system

Which is manufacturing grade

Forgeworlds technically are Adepta Non for tithes

[crystal forum]

that scale makes no sense

[young pecan]

Forgeworlds don't pay taxes?

[arctic talon]

They do

They just pay diffrent taxes

[young pecan]

Oh, huh

[arctic talon]

Forgeworlds pay taxes entirely in material output

They do not contribute manpower aside from psykers

[young pecan]

That makes sense

[queen laurel]

their tithe is their service

[arctic talon]

The grade refers to quantity produced

[young pecan]

Servitorization is probably a common material output for many

Not solely of course

[arctic talon]

But the forgeworlds do not pay the tithe in a traditional sense

[queen laurel]

weapons and equipment

[arctic talon]

Which is always funny to see forgeworlds classified as “no tithe to pay”

[queen laurel]

are WAY more common

[arctic talon]

One morbillion lasguns

[young pecan]

Yeah, but it'd still be up there no?

[arctic talon]

Unlikely

Like they’d be a part of the output

But prison worlds and other places

Can pump out quite a few more

[crystal forum]

i remember reading somewhere that a pretty big forge world was like secundi II which is literally at the bottom of the scale

actually wait is it in darktide

i think it's in one of the origin planets

[arctic talon]

Is it the industrial world?

Weird

Wait nvm

Lol

[lofty mason]

How culturally diverse is the Imperium? I know that there are "main stream" culture like skull and bones everywhere.

[arctic talon]

Quite

Any irl culture is represented in some manner + many more new or descendants from those cultures

[late osprey]

The Imperium is pretty aptly described as akin to the Holy Roman Empire in that it's more like a patchwork of a myriad of vastly different societies that are bound only by this loose idea of the High Gothic/High Imperial culture

That seems to only exist in the void between worlds and the few worlds that are directly connected to the central bureaucracy (like shrine worlds)

And obviously Terra itself

Unless otherwise stated though, it can be pretty reasonably assumed that a world is dramatically different than others in the Imperium

[winter vessel]

Like Birmingham

[late osprey]

The other (much more cynical, but arguably even more accurate) description is that the Imperium is a hyper-colonial apparatus; the "High Gothic" Culture is essentially Terra exporting its values, but like any Colonial Empire, the colonies themselves are always going to be quantifiably different to both the Imperial Capital and other colonies

The Indian and African colonies were nothing like one another, and were in turn nothing like Britain

The reason this model is arguably more accurate is because the Imperial Tithe, the essential universal constant in the Imperium, is stated to be quite literally "solely for the benefit of Terra"

[crisp heath]

There's voidships that have their own culture and lingo

[crystal forum]

imperium is different flavors of british

(it's all written by the british)

[crisp heath]

Orks are based off foot ball hooligans

[crystal forum]

and blue collar Londoners

[crisp heath]

As someone who works in the blue collar world I can say I see how that checks out

[opaque coyote]

Ork Tech is just

Percussive maintenance

But if it was the only way that technology works

[crisp heath]

Come or gorkamorka Skore soam moar goals bangs drums

[opaque coyote]

Surprised we haven't gotten a scene of like

An Ork Tourney but for

Soccer/Football

[crisp heath]

Blood bowl would work I reckon

[opaque coyote]

Actually imagine a bunch of slaves being forced to play Football with the Orks

Whether it's Soccer or American Football depends on you

Either one will probably have body parts flying

[crisp heath]

Depends what the boyz in the mood for today innit

[opaque coyote]

Apparently Orks can play board games as well

So

A fun rousing game of Battlemace 40 million

[crisp heath]

I know older and stronger orks are able to practice patience

[opaque coyote]

Ork comes in with figurines

And they're just cobbled together junk

[crisp heath]

So dis my army innit

[opaque coyote]

That vaguely resembles people like Guilliman

[crisp heath]

I could so see a ork playing as astartes

Dis one here yeah he can't die

Impossible

[celest cedar]

being lovely with the Behemoths

[opaque coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExoHe4XxvA

[crisp heath]

Reminds me of that time I played against a blood angels army

Sorry ? How many attacks does he do??

Mephiston is bs and I will continue to spread this message

[late osprey]

The Character BS in 40k has gotten outrageous and IMO ruined the game

Another W for Kill Team

As if KT didn't already have an objectively better game design in the first place

[crisp heath]

I agree 100%

Iirc this bastard is like 200 points has a 2+ up save does 5 attacks ap3 or around there

[arctic talon]

A return to his 5e form lol

[arctic talon]

Named characters are pretty weak this edition, aside from a few exceptions

Tbh

[crisp heath]

Fkn psykers man

[late osprey]

Sorry 🫷 I've already played and ragequit 8th edition.

[arctic talon]

8e and 9e were herohammer

[late osprey]

In all seriousness, I will probably only return to 40k proper if they switch to the AoS model

[arctic talon]

10e is def a return to form for characters

[late osprey]

That is, leaving I-Go-U-Go

Which KillTeam also, of course, has left

[crisp heath]

I haven't played since 5th

I heard the nids psykers are op this ed

[crystal forum]

luv me HH primarchs

[crisp heath]

Hh is pretty darn good

[late osprey]

AOS essentially ruined I-Go-U-Go for me forever

[arctic talon]

AoS is I Go U Go though

Unless you count double turns

[arctic talon]

Zoanthrope comedy

Tbh

[late osprey]

Not unless they changed things considerably in between editions

It's the universal round system where people trade units

Like what KT has

My friend was teaching me AoS a few years ago

Was genuinely surprised that we shared a movement and fighting phase

[arctic talon]

AoS has never had full alternating activations is my point

You can check

[late osprey]

What part isn't?

[arctic talon]

But AoS has never had alternating activations

Like skirmish games

Unless you count warcry

[late osprey]

Nah the games we played were full battles

[arctic talon]

Almost all of it aside from combat

[arctic talon]

Are you sure it wasn’t homebrew

Because I literally have the AoS 2e rulebook open rn

Lol

[late osprey]

He was pretty new too, it's not impossible he misread some of the rules

[arctic talon]

Hell I can check the 3e one as well

But it’s just combat as far as I can tell

[late osprey]

But he basically exclusively plays in the GW store and again this was years ago

[late osprey]

IIRC so does 40k actually

[arctic talon]

4e and 3e are def

[late osprey]

That's like the only alternating phase

[arctic talon]

Not alternating activation

Yeah

I would like alternating activations in 40k

Tbh

[late osprey]

TBH this makes it even funnier

[arctic talon]

Alternating activations are good lol

[late osprey]

that my friend accidentally homebrew'd an actually more fun game than what was standard

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

Who doesn’t like alternating activations

It’s more fun lol

You don’t just sit around and do nothing but think

[late osprey]

It legitimately just feels like the natural evolution

Like IGoUGo feels like some pre-modern backwater barbarity compared to it

[arctic talon]

It is

It’s popular entirely due to momentum

Lol

“It’s how things have always been for big war games”

Like cmon

Just bite the bullet GW

I know you wana

Pretty much all their specialist games were alternating activation aside from heresy and old world

[late osprey]

It was like

I introduced my friend first to MWG via 40k

He didn't care for it but liked models

then found AoS

and then counter-introduced me to AoS

and thats how we found that alternate activation actually works even for giant battles too

(i fully believe he fucked up the rules, that sounds exactly like him btw)

[crisp heath]

Aos really fixed fantasy battles I had the skull pass box plus some extra dwarf stuff that shit was NOT FUN

[crisp heath]

Never got into greenlantern tbh

[late osprey]

Yeah either way AOS is literally objectively better than oldschool WHFB lmao

I think the new one ,Old World, is actually fun unlike old WHFB

[lofty mason]

I find it kinda funny how Necrons fight each other more than they fight other factions 😂

I thought they are the most "united" faction in 40k. I guess that falls to the Tyranid.

[jade holly]

Do they count as being united if they’re just a Hivemind?

[lofty mason]

Probably and Probably not. 😂

Necron using captured Imperium weapons.

[lament shoal]

Ngl doing the Maul's voice sounds like it would hurt

[late osprey]

New Necron Lore is so awesome for this TBH

They see each other as the main issues in the same way a medieval realm would see competing fiefdoms as main issues

More than mere beasts

Which is what Necrons view the other factions as

Oldlore was so boring

[vital ginkgo]

Are there any blood raven books other than the dawn of war series?

[arctic talon]

Prolly had a bleeding throat

[winter vessel]

needed a lot of cough drops after that

[civic nebula]

Anybody heard anything about the next Gaunts Ghosts book?

[green loom]

Nop

Afaik Abnett is busy with 3 million other projects plus continuing the eisenhorn stuff

[sharp pollen]

continuing? really?

still?

[storm jungle]

I mean hes a very busy man

[shadow plover]

Well, Bequin

[storm jungle]

guy has been doing this before we were even born lol

[sharp pollen]

i mean i thought he's done with eisenhorn

[storm jungle]

With Eisenhorn yes

it then moved to Ravenor

then Bequin, which will get its 3rd final book at some point

[sharp pollen]

ohhhhhh, Bikvin is an ongoing ting

[storm jungle]

Yeah the last novel came like 12 years after the first one

[sharp pollen]

^him thinking about it for 12 years

[storm jungle]

Real.

[sharp pollen]

started ravenor today

got through... 0 pages so far 🙂

[storm jungle]

That is a mood

[sharp pollen]

the before-words are quite long

btw i read one short story about admech

the uhhh

the name is slipping out of my mind all the time...

ffs ill check it out

[storm jungle]

[sharp pollen]

zero day exploit

who the hell are the ||super secretive super strong admech in black||

||not even in red like all others||

i guess i needed to read all the admech novels before reading this story

[storm jungle]

🫡

[green loom]

Probably their in house inquisition analogue

[celest dome]

The ||Titan|| Guards ? ||Secutarii ?||

[sharp pollen]

no idea who these are even

[storm jungle]

[sharp pollen]

i know who titans are

are titan guard the same thing?

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are big guards that guard titans

same height

[sharp pollen]

ok i see

uhhh maybe...

so titan guard is on the left

right?

titan on the right

(my head is not working today at all, so i better ask dumb questions bluntly)

[dire loom]

[tough haven]

That’s data proctors

[sharp pollen]

found another letter in rogue trader

https://tenor.com/view/oh-gif-4521744732874144544

[sacred bluff]

https://x.com/battlecatbeta/status/1944409310945296464

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cute

[sharp pollen]

wow, ive heard that rogue trader is buggy

but i didnt know it can fucking softlock you, or give infinite loadscreen

minus half an hour cause my guy just made a strike, and then couldnt do any ability or move or end the turn

broken piece of shit

now i need to re-do the battle i almost won

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Owlcat moment

[late verge]

I just read atomic rockets

How many pox Walkers we kill do you think were other rejects at one point

[winter vessel]

how many you'd like to believe, but likely not a lot. Doubtful they'd reach a state that quickly. at best they'd be groaners first.

[misty vector]

i think theyre more likely to get killed in combat first before they can get infected

[sharp pollen]

and these fucking drukhari doing Battle Stimulator: Grave Lotus 50 times, then moving out of their position and dying to opportunity attack

what the fuck is this game...

[humble shoal]

at least they dont tend to dodge the oppurtunity attacks

[sharp pollen]

AND AGAIN!!! FUCKING AGAIN

6 TIMES DID THIS AND DIED TO PASKAL WITH HIS GOOFY AHH AXE

[humble shoal]

heh

[sharp pollen]

i was counting this shit

[humble shoal]

ngl by the time act 3 rolled around enemies stopped taking turns

on my 2 runs

[storm jungle]

I love it

[humble shoal]

my cassia glitched out horiffically in my first playthrough

her flags never incremented

which makes her... quest go badly

[storm jungle]

still a very peak game

if you cant take the heat

get outta the kitchen

🗣️

[humble shoal]

I mean I had to toybox her flasgs

somehow one of them was -1, when they should be incrementers

[storm jungle]

sounds like a skill issue

[humble shoal]

nah I fixed it

[storm jungle]

nope

remove this man

https://tenor.com/view/nevada-jump-judge-jump-jump-leap-gif-23924996493588704

[humble shoal]

you seen the follow up to this

anyway I've had cassia and yrliet glitch out badly

mharazai probably glitched out but I fed him to heinrix

other than that gameplay was ez after mid act 2 (with the exsception of the first fight in act 3)

[winter vessel]

I wish I had the freedom to do this with shop lifters who rob at the store I work at. Not for a sense of Justice, but because it would release my daily pent up rage I have with disrespectful customers

[arctic talon]

Retail is hell

[winter vessel]

yep. like, the crew i work with is solid, bosses are nice. And if ain't a shopping frenzy they're more lenient to let us have an additional 5 mins to our 15 min breaks and 45 min lunch break

but 85 percent of guests i deal with are so entitled

[young pecan]

I love that the gen z stare is the opposite of the boomer lead stare

[tough haven]

Kill them

[young pecan]

You have not experienced the heights of human stupidity until you've worked in customer service or retail

[winter vessel]

its honestly become a standard practice of mine that when i clock out of a full 8 hour shift, i always play an hour of SM2 or Doom Eternal to release my anger and visualize the guests faces

before anything else

[arctic talon]

the gen z stare comes from a fear of saying something stupid/being wrong

lol

[winter vessel]

they're the type of players who let the timer run out on a dialogue wheel

every time

[young pecan]

Tbf, this usually leads to being less wrong than someone who just speaks without thinking

Or to comprehend how to respond to someone saying something absolutely braindead to you

[arctic talon]

At least thats why I just never open my mouth sometimes

not sure where it comes from like

mentally/culturally for the chunk of Gen Z I'm in

[languid meadow]

I've done this for my entire life and you're telling me it has a fucking trendy name 😭

Bleak

[young pecan]

Right

[arctic talon]

the Gen Z stare

lol

[winter vessel]

Me: "Do you have a membership with us?" the Literal Stare i get back:

[arctic talon]

Genuinely where tf does it come from

I dont' get it

[arctic talon]

they're thinking okay

lol

[winter vessel]

or they'll say "i don't need it."

I'm asking if you Have one, not offering

do i need to get two flags and start signaling to you my question in semaphore

[arctic talon]

oh shit made to order AOS terrain

I want some of this stuff actually

[queen laurel]

wow they are releasing the new battle tomes and models a lot quicker than I expected

[tough haven]

What’s some appropriate but not unreasonable minor loot to find in a small tomb complex?

Trying to write and design one rn

[storm jungle]

Look up actual egyptian trinkets and just necronify them

[tough haven]

Well I’m trying to come up with like functional loot, that isn’t too strong

But I’ll start there, thanks

Uh oh

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-remake-trailer-marker-gif-27481562

[queen laurel]

Shit

Welp

We are cooked

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/isaac-clarke-skate3-isaac-skate-dead-space-make-us-whole-gif-27485812

[tough haven]

So my ideas so far are a simple necron phylactery, that theoretically could be reprogrammed by the protags since scarabs are stupid, and “The Phaeron’s Brilliance” a strange necrodermis medallion with what appears to be emerald gems studded around it in the shape of some unknown constellation, when activated, it spews a gout of literal cosmic fire teleported from a nearby star

Thoughts? I want these items to be strong but to have penalties/drawbacks or be potentially dangerous with each use, seeing how it’s xenos tech and it’s necron xenos tech being used by humans

[arctic talon]

@storm jungle Do you have the portrait of the Black Navy captain option for Rogue Trader

I literally cannot find it and I don't have the game installed

[storm jungle]

Uhhh hold on

[celest dome]

?

[arctic talon]

yes thank yo

Idk how I couldn't find them

[storm jungle]

Yeah I was gonna say not sure if that guy is black

was looking at my folder

[celest dome]

By Ilia Bodaikin

[arctic talon]

he is

I think

[storm jungle]

I was almost gonna post this lady

[arctic talon]

his hand + the hairstyle

[storm jungle]

but shes the more noble type

[arctic talon]

make me feel like he is at least

[celest dome]

Kinda look like Nick Fury no ?

[arctic talon]

the face is a bit unclear due to lighting

[storm jungle]

He sgot a bit of a spaniard look

but i guess its close enough

[languid meadow]

why is he aura farming while there's a space battle going on

[arctic talon]

You must aura farm always

as a 40k character

[queen laurel]

If you are not aura farming as a 40k character what are you even doing

[arctic talon]

see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXZQVBLfGU8

You must aura farm as part of the navy

it is taught in the schola

[queen laurel]

Another example

[celest dome]

What do you expect him to do ? Jump in a craft and board the enemies ?

[queen laurel]

Aura farming is a mandatory skill in 40k

[languid meadow]

command the damn ship instead of posing for his portrait 😭

I should replay BFGA2 again

[queen laurel]

He is commanding his ship

The cool way

[humble shoal]

"YOU have potential"

[tough haven]

It’s 80% of your job as captain

If you don’t, the crew loses faith

[rose thorn]

after whitescars, which loyalist legion had the most traitors?

[celest dome]

Dark Angels I would guess

In fairness I would have said Dark Angels then White Scars

[humble shoal]

ultramarines

imperium secundus was heresy of the hgihest order

[rose thorn]

either or

okay after DA and Whitescars

[humble shoal]

could also make the joke of alpha legion

[rose thorn]

is there any instances of traitor UM in the lore outside of just saying every legion had traitors

[storm jungle]

Every legion had traitors as per the tabletop game

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/analyse-this-de-niro-shoot-hit-pillow-gif-14674439871687960818

[storm jungle]

because it allows you to run renegades from any chapter

[rose thorn]

i know

but like

in lore named instances

[storm jungle]

ugh

[humble shoal]

oh I was referring to guillimans uh.... second imperium

[rose thorn]

okay sorry

HH lmao

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1kpvl8z/which_loyalist_legion_had_the_most_traitors_and/

[rose thorn]

the third most is what im asking

whitescars, dark angels,

then who?

[humble shoal]

that was during the horus heresy

[rose thorn]

oh really? neat

i cant remember anythign talking about like, a traitor from a loyalist legion that wasnt dark angesl or white scars

[humble shoal]

do you count wordbearers dressing up as ultramarines?

[rose thorn]

no

pretty sure thats a warcrime

OH SALAMANDERS, i remember those

[humble shoal]

were there sallies?

[rose thorn]

the fuckin uber terrorists

[celest dome]

War crimes ? But that's illegal !
They should not do that

[humble shoal]

wordbearers cant read

[vagrant fox]

Iron Hands clan Ayreas went traitor, some raven guard

[humble shoal]

they ripped out the pages and wore them

[celest dome]

I mean they're not called Word Readers or something

[humble shoal]

exactly

[unborn knoll]

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[humble shoal]

genestealers dont mix with chaos

they're owned by the nids

[unborn knoll]

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[celest dome]

GSC often times help the Imperial to fix the situation to then later on take over the Hives

[unborn knoll]

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[humble shoal]

or nurgle

whatever experiments kharib are doing is causing the mouriningstar to decay

[unborn knoll]

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[humble shoal]

generally gsc and chaos stay i ntheir seperate lanes

[celest dome]

That would be difficult to write, the GSC mostly strive in uneventful worlds/Hives

[humble shoal]

Also you do realize dark eldar have the capability to make new bodies easily right

[unborn knoll]

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[celest dome]

And Chaos worlds aren't really the best toward farming food for the Star gods

[humble shoal]

yeah, homonculus can move bodies

[unborn knoll]

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[humble shoal]

my guess is that grendel got one of the funny diseases

[humble shoal]

sounds more like the aeldari are trying to contact him

grendyl is also more than 500 years old

[unborn knoll]

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[humble shoal]

anyway all we know is that he was a brahms

kharib has been on the ship for a long time

rannick is a shmuck

[unborn knoll]

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[humble shoal]

or he's doing fricky with soulstones

[unborn knoll]

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[humble shoal]

one of the wyrmwoods also mentioned the eldar saving them at some point

morrow fought necrons (according to one of the oggys), so grendyl could be some cursed amalgamation of necron tech

[unborn knoll]

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[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-stare-into-your-soul-gif-25900582

[humble shoal]

grendyl is obviously one of the original 10000 and was the founder of house brahms after retiring as a custodes

[crystal forum]

@arctic talon i remember the forge world now

the one i mentioned yesterday

"major" forge world

literally on the bottom of the list

agripinaa is I-extremis apparently

ryza is I-prima

gryphonne IV was II-Extremis

Graia is I-Secundia

Metallica is IV-prima

Stygies VIII is II-extremis

Voss prime (right hand of mars) is II-extremis

these numbers have no consistency man

[unborn knoll]

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[sly ivy]

😳 🙈

[rotund grove]

What's the recruitment process for the Mechanicus (other lobotomizing convicts and people on the brink of death into servitors)?

[raven stone]

Generally speaking people born on Forgeworlds are evaluated at a certain point, then assigned to their lifelong position within Ad Mech

[tough haven]

Theres that one nurgle infected GSC though

[rotund grove]

And its a great honour to get chosen, right?

[raven stone]

Can vary a little bit between Forgeworlds in all honesty. Though the variation ranges from “it is a great honour” as you mentioned, to just fact-of-life “oh right it is time to be evaluated for what I will do forever.”

[tough haven]

And "yay! I get to force the menials to work to death in the plasma drives instead of being worked to death in the plasma drives

[raven stone]

Yes, that too lol

[humble shoal]

wasn't that retconned?

[young pecan]

Maybe because they're in danger, their production/tithe grade is low because they're using a lot of the production themselves?

That's the only explanation I can see

[crystal forum]

in that case agripinaa would be on the bottom of the list

instead of being the highest one i could find

i didn't find any I-extremis or IV-tertius

you'd assume mars would be I-extremis but its production grade is never stated

probably the same situation as terra where it's not written because it just doesn't get tithed

[arctic talon]

We can also just Chuck the existing classifications given out the window if we want

Lol

Since some of them are weird

[tough haven]

Not sure

[crystal forum]

yeah that was my point yesterday. it's really hard to use scales in 40k due to how much leeway writers and game devs get

i dont even trust the psyker scale

i remember an alpha level psyker in eisenhorn immediately dying to a bullet

during a huge parade where a bunch of captured alpha levels were being shown off to billions of hive citizens

[young pecan]

Yeah that surprised me

Like were the dampeners still stuck on them?

I mean psychic powers can manifest themselves in different ways so not every alpha level can stop a bullet probably

But surely your power can help you circumvent the bullet being shot at you in the first place

||Tbf the one that was brain popping Eisenhorn was also distracted when he got shot, if that's who you mean specifically||

[crystal forum]

in my mind i expected an alpha level psyker to straight up explode half the crowd with their mind

not even mentioning the sheer stupidity of parading a bunch of captured alpha levels

[young pecan]

It is stupid, yet technically with whatever they had setup it was actually a sound imprisonment

Without the planes flying in and bombing everything, the psykers probably wouldn't have escaped

[crystal forum]

having 1 alpha level is a huge risk on its own. having like 6 close together is just suicidal

[young pecan]

Yeah

I can only imagine trying to push them all into that one little dampener bubble though

[crystal forum]

but then again they felt way lower on the scale

[young pecan]

Sounds so goofy

[crystal forum]

it's just the problem with these scales. either you reject the scale when one of these situations happen or you have to find some arbitrary reason for why actually it makes sense

[outer wave]

Has anyone ever been able to pilfer Arbites armor off the Arbites themselves or their armories?

[young pecan]

I'm sure it's happened

Or can

[outer wave]

I wish we could see desecrated Arbites armor

[young pecan]

Failed assaults by arbites can surely be scavenged

[languid meadow]

If some hobo can get a hold of a custodes shin guard a random ganger could prob get arbites armour

[outer wave]

Or at least, "reused" arbites armor

[inner sphinx]

So, according to conversation between Arbite and Psyker, Accordians still exist in the 41rsy millennium

Rogue Trader House Yankovic lore incoming

[sacred ginkgo]

Most generic objects do

[inner sphinx]

I feel like a lot of instruments haven’t gotten mention, or they’re called something else

[young pecan]

I want to see a tuba in 40k

[inner sphinx]

That’s the one Noise Marine that’s kinda seen as a nerd by the rest

But yeah, the fact that it’s not some 40k’d name, but just “Accordian” is kinda funny to me.

[storm jungle]

Thats the logic yeah

its mostly to allow authors to kinda cram that shit in if they are writing something

[inner sphinx]

Call a trumpet a “Brassvox” or something

[storm jungle]

Bingo lol

[inner sphinx]

Also it’s very funny to picture a Psyker communing with the Warp as she absolutely goes to town on a rendition of “My Bologna”

Also it’s considered to have the sweetest of sounds. So humanity gains some taste in the future

[crystal forum]

a bunch of instruments i see in books are just very antiquated ones

[raven stone]

https://youtu.be/GF_Bz_1xa00?feature=shared

[languid meadow]

3rd times the charm I guess

Also for those who want to see absolute killer Croc

[storm jungle]

bro the entire body being his jaw is fucking metal

love that sleek/big design

[storm jungle]

😭

[frosty wind]

Another banger from Pawel

It's gonna be interesting playing as a acolyte of a lord inquisitor

[arctic talon]

They are yeah, at least on munda

Though the gangers are much more brazen on munda then most worlds lol

If pdf or arbites die in ganger territory they’ll try to grab what they can from the dead bodies

[nocturne crest]

Would it make sense for the arbites to have bomb shields like the crusader houses potentially offer?

[arctic talon]

Wdym bomb shields

[frosty wind]

He meant storm shields

[arctic talon]

Oh

[frosty wind]

For the questions, it does for high ranking members, but no way an officer or a regular arbitrator getting those. Even the lowest ranking arbites has regular access to space marine vehicles and sos level equipment. Crusader houses are really rare and extra-elite protectors of lord inquisitors and cardinals.

[arctic talon]

shock shields are arbites suppression shields

Which replace the power field generator

With surprise surprise a shock one

Also crusader houses aren’t that rare iirc

[frosty wind]

Different than storm shields tho.

[arctic talon]

They serve the same purpose

Though it’s prolly worse then a normal storm shield at protecting you

Since no power field

[frosty wind]

Rarer than arbites

[arctic talon]

We don’t have lore on the exact rareness of them tbf

But they seem uncommon

[frosty wind]

Exactly because they are rare in the apperance too

[arctic talon]

Crusaders need the storm shield a lot more anyways

Tbh

[frosty wind]

Eisenhorn had one for bodyguard

[arctic talon]

They don’t carry guns almost always lol

[dapper gyro]

What kind of SM level equipment???

[arctic talon]

Rhinos

[frosty wind]

They carry relic power sword and storm shieldsd, I'd wager they dont need guns on many occasions. 😄

[frosty wind]

Battle Tanks, Strike Cruisers, Rhinos

[arctic talon]

Also a lot of bolters

[dapper gyro]

Things can share names, but in different scales, not everything is comparable.

[frosty wind]

Arbites uses modified Astartes Strike Cruisers and Rhinos, repressors

[arctic talon]

They’re in carapace

So

[plush mason]

and they drip max if this is the same crusaders im thinking of

[arctic talon]

A gun would be useful

Yeah crusaders aura farm

Lol

[frosty wind]

It is

[arctic talon]

Crusaders not using guns is an actual issue

Because they sometimes can get gunned down

Or killed at a range

Before they close in lol

[frosty wind]

Them carrying guns would be interesting tho

[plush mason]

arent they mainly the personal guards of like bishops and cardinals?

[arctic talon]

Goes against most of the Orders beliefs I’d assume

[arctic talon]

Not really

They’re personal guards for high ranking people of dif positions

Though they’re also arguably kind of close to mercenaries

[frosty wind]

but why would a crusader carry guns mostly, they are training in close combat, if they gonn a use gun primarly I'd rather a SoB

[arctic talon]

Because it’s useful

If you get stuck at a range and someone’s shooting at you

And you’re a Crusader

You’re shit out of luck if you’re pinned in cover

A gun would be nice to at least try and return fire

[frosty wind]

Eh, that's again their beliefs

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But like I said them not having a gun is an in universe issue lol

[frosty wind]

a plasma pistol would be useful

[arctic talon]

Gotfret from the BSF tabletop talks about it

And he pretty much always sticks close to someone with a gun lol

[frosty wind]

They are same models with astartes, altough little modified

strfike cruisers are 1:1

[nocturne crest]

Crusaders, in lore, can own shields that contain Melta bombs or other gadgets.

[arctic talon]

I’ve

Literally never heard of that

Do you have a source?

I’d be interested

but crusaders do not use grenades(almost always)

They’re religious weirdos

[frosty wind]

They protect high ranking inquisitors, cardinals, bishops, churches. Essentially a similar 40k version of Knights of Morr from Fantasy. They also protects high ranking administratum officals too,

[arctic talon]

Also guard officers sometimes

High ranking ones rather

[frosty wind]

Not all crusaders uses high-end weapons as well. Some uses same weapons as arbites. Storm Shields and Relic Blades worth whole towns and even cities in agri worlds.

[arctic talon]

Well

The gear they use is a power melee(sword, axe, or maul) storm shield, and carapace

Pretty simple load out lol

Quality varies

[nocturne crest]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crusader

[arctic talon]

Well it’s a suppression shield

So the arbites prolly would

Also Ty for the source

[nocturne crest]

No problem. Tbf, it could be some old 40k lore depending upon the source.

[arctic talon]

It’s likely dark heresy

[nocturne crest]

You are correct.

Dark Heresy: Ascension

[sacred bluff]

how close were flesh tearers and world eaters

cause i reading echoes of eternity

and kargos fought a flesh tearer he called his brother

[vagrant fox]

Nassir Amit, titled the Flesh Tearer and later first chapter master of the Flesh Tearers had a bromance with Kargos

[sacred bluff]

[kind eagle]

Would I be insane for saying that Orikan and Trazyn should just get married already?

[slim pagoda]

I've started playing Inquisitor - Martyr, and this is the most Yassified tech-priest I've seen so far. I think the explanation is that she's a Genetor and apparently they're less prone to hating flesh?
I'm not complaining about the pretty tech-priest, but I do think it's funny.

[tough haven]

Genetors can be any flavor, they can literally be a huge 3d printer for flesh

But they do tend to be more willing to accept biological augmentations vc mechanical

[slim pagoda]

It makes sense, the biological body is kind of a super-complex machine

[tough haven]

That’s how they see it

That it is a machine worthy of just as much worship as the mechanical

As it is a creation of the omnissiah

[slim pagoda]

She's about to start selling supplements on my ship now

[rose thorn]

just watched blade runner from 1982

i think it might be my new favorite movie lmao

[languid meadow]

old man yaoi trazyn and orikan

[rose thorn]

oh yeah fr

[lament shoal]

Y'all look how fucking cool grandpa Abelard looks

[opaque coyote]

Genetors are probably the

most

uhhh

can't say chill for

obvious reasons

no tech priest is

I guess...

less wlling to replace their dong with a robo one

[arctic talon]

Genators vary

Some are still pretty metal

[slim pagoda]

Here's another Genetor in Inquisitor - Martyr

Kinda looks like a Warframe NPC

[storm jungle]

thats Lord Inquisitor Abelard to you

[dire zephyr]

I saw some people online whining that heresys new rulebook didn't include the fact that it has to be men as space marines

[noble bear]

why is her neck so long, is she Candace

[dire zephyr]

Honeslty FUCK THEM at this point
A. Nerds online especially wh fans have shown how malicious they are
B. The new heresy book is overall slop

And for both of those reasons. If you think that a space marine being a woman is the worst thing that could happen to the setting, please take a long look in the mirror

[storm jungle]

I personally am content with it at this point because we got custodes as a middle-point instead which is arguably a better option but also these are the same people that bitch when GW reveals the space wolf minis and some of them have darker skin

So the bar for them to complain about anything is really low

[dire zephyr]

I agree and tbh if it was up to me there probably wouldn't be female space Marines since they originally were meant to be very base means to an end in the heresy

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why I like the custodes change, they are gene-crafted to be the top form a human can achieve and are like greek myth heroes in some sense, so the unisex approach makes a ton of sense compared to Space Marines who are just a blunt hammer tool.

[dire zephyr]

But until we can get mandated "go outside" orders on people. I think we should always ruin the "gatekeeping is good" crowd. Even if all that takes is dark skin or boobs

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

like if it isnt sexism its racism

They were going how SM2 is the peak masculine fantasy then go berserk when they spot one of Titus's battle-brother is black and the other is asian