40k-lore-chat

[late osprey]

"Yeah so in this mile square it's comically capitalist but the moment you leave it it's back to our good ol' Maoism"

[arctic talon]

Tbf

Xi has been

trying to make himself the next Mao

the uh, the populace is not biting it

LOL

[opaque coyote]

Has it even been working

[arctic talon]

no

LMAO

[opaque coyote]

I think there's nothing but mild ridicule at best

And just

[raven stone]

Populace and his opponents are waiting in the wings.

[late osprey]

Free Economic Zones were just a fascinating development to me

[opaque coyote]

"Eugh" at worst

[arctic talon]

Xi is a dictator

[late osprey]

You know back when they were genuinely socialist and not state capitalist

[arctic talon]

like more so then other heads of the CCP

[arctic talon]

its interesting tbh

[late osprey]

They had their cake and ate it too with it

[raven stone]

CCP is by no means as unified as they present themselves.
Even within the CCP there is a degree of factionalism

[arctic talon]

Xi has become a dictator, no clue on wtf is going to happen when he bites it

[nocturne crest]

He did fuck them over too much. Now the youth of China are just giving up.

[arctic talon]

but it is not going to be pretty

not in terms of violence

[nocturne crest]

Taiwan invasion.

[arctic talon]

but in terms of internal politics lol

[opaque coyote]

Then again some people are Nostalgic about the 1950s

Yeah I totally want Polio

[arctic talon]

That is, one potentiality

[languid meadow]

Welcome back warlord era

[storm jungle]

Still wondering if thats gonna happen ngl

[arctic talon]

which I hope doesn't happen

because I like Taiwan

[late osprey]

I mean do you suppose there might be some physical heads rolling as well a la Gang of Four?

[arctic talon]

Invasion is unpopular with the younger people tbh

[nocturne crest]

I'm talking about Taiwan invading China.

[arctic talon]

Oh

[raven stone]

I genuinely have my doubts over the invasion in all honesty

[arctic talon]

Bruh no lol

[nocturne crest]

Not China invading Taiwan.

[arctic talon]

Taiwan does not have the ability to do that

and rn Taiwans ruling party

[opaque coyote]

There is a 30% chance that China becomes more chill

And then 70% chance China becomes rabid as shit

[arctic talon]

does not want to concern itself with the "chinese question" so to speak

the DPP in Taiwan rn

[opaque coyote]

It's just like my favorite Gacha games!

[late osprey]

I recall reading that the Taiwanese don't even want to do the original "retake china" mission or anything at all

[arctic talon]

is pretty hardline on Taiwanese seperation

[late osprey]

And they'd rather just chill with the new identity

[languid meadow]

If it's gonna happen I think it'll happen if either the US is currently super fucked or Xi is like "fuck it im gonna die soon might as well"

[arctic talon]

the KMT is increasingly unpopular

but the DPP is also not super popular

the DPP is just prefered

[opaque coyote]

Yeah from what I've gathered.

Most Taiwan people just want to be left alone to do their thing

And not get invaded

[nocturne crest]

Tbf, CCP said they were concerned that Taiwan was moving passed Chiang Kai-shek legacy, by taking down statues and such.

[late osprey]

Is that the main issue split between them?

[raven stone]

See if you are all familiar with “Of Mice and Men”
There is a super short guy in the story that deliberately picks fight with big guys just because he knows people will sympathise with him more.
DPP strikes me as that kind of jerk.

Also also - do you know that DPP had a chance to defuse things in HK back in 2019 but they deliberately didn’t?

(And yes this has everything to do with how a single murder case cascaded into the National Security Law debacle)

[vital ginkgo]

Are there any space marines that were well known by fans before the primaris thing that were killed in the Rubicon surgery?

[opaque coyote]

No

It's a 100% chance of survival if you're helmetless

Bonus points if you're a UM

[raven stone]

Sadly no. Not that we know of, but GW could always just retcon that.
“Oh yea, the character we discontinued post Primaris? He died.”

[arctic talon]

The main issue split between the DPP and KMT's main split are

Chinese reunification and either Taiwan become its own nation or becoming reunified

the DPP wants Taiwan to become its own nation

[vital ginkgo]

I see lol

[arctic talon]

the KMT does not

[vital ginkgo]

Thank you

[arctic talon]

the KMT is still of the opinion Taiwan is the one true China

and should take over mainland china

[opaque coyote]

Good luck with that

[arctic talon]

Well I never said it was a realistic goal

lol

[late osprey]

I was reading that they ALSO don't advocate military solutions though, just now

So like

IDK if they even have the slightest concept of a plan as to how they're gonna do that

[opaque coyote]

Trust me bro they'll totally win

[arctic talon]

how was the Taiwanse DPP involved with the Hong Kong protests, I forgor

[late osprey]

Convince Xi to become KMT?

[arctic talon]

well

preferrebly they would destroy the CCP in a non violent manner lol

[opaque coyote]

Look up Hong Kong 97 on how they'll do it

[late osprey]

Like I said, they specifically do not want to fight the PRC or get into any conflict with them at least based on a cursory reading

[opaque coyote]

[nocturne crest]

I just remembered. Putin keeps claiming that Alaska is stolen Russian territory that needs to be returned.

[opaque coyote]

Didn't Russia literally sell it to us

Bro

💀

[arctic talon]

Yes

[nocturne crest]

They did.

[late osprey]

They'll use CIA powers of suggestion to get the entirety of the CCP inner party to willingly switch to KMT

All they're waiting for is Xi to pass away.

[arctic talon]

💀

oh also both the DPP and KMT both have issues

lol

[opaque coyote]

"You're stealing from me."

"Bro I literally bought it from you. I have the receipt.'

"SHUT UP."

[arctic talon]

regarding centralized power

both of them want more centralized power while they're in control of the government

but want less when the other party is

[nocturne crest]

Imagine if France turned around and asked for the return of Louisiana.

[opaque coyote]

This is why country humans was popular.

Cause imagining this shit as like two roommates talking to each other is funny

[arctic talon]

oh wait was it the murder case

with the extradition thing lol

it absolutely was that

[raven stone]

cracks fingers
The story starts like this, weirdly enough.

In some time long ago in 2018, a Hong Kong young couple (straight) went on a tourist trip to Taiwan. Then, for whatever the hell reason, the guy just murdered his girlfriend in Taiwan (in a hotel in Taipei IIRC). The guy the left Taiwan, flew back to Hong Kong.

Taiwanese police found the body, and through some cooperation with HK police, they identified the guilty guy. But you should already see the issue here. HK cannot and should not have their own foreign policy, and this includes things like extradition from Hong Kong to Taiwan. That level of cooperation needs Beijing or Chinese national level authorities.

So, in other words, they needed the give this one Hong Kong guy from HK police, to China police, to then extradite to Taiwan.

This then led to the whole mess about how HK government just mismanaged the situation leading to the whole known protest and such, all because they needed to get his one murderous asshole over to Taiwan.

(It is a detail barely reported in Western Media, such is the near impossible daisy chain of events)

(Part one)

[arctic talon]

yeah thats what it was

No I remember now

I appriciate the refresher genuinely

thank you

it was the extradition bill clusterfuck

[raven stone]

Welcome.

So yea, just to round off the point.
The murder suspect offered to fly himself to Taiwan to be arrested
DPP refused the offer.

So yea.
As far as I am concerned, DPP are sick little fucks as well.

[arctic talon]

oh they're not great either lol

neither of the leaders of the Pan blue or pan green coalitions in taiwan are particularly

whats a word

lets just say good

LOL

[raven stone]

Lol

[arctic talon]

both of them are incredibly aggressive, nationalistic and historically shady

funnily enough rn the KMT have a majority in the Legislative Yuan in Taiwan rn due to the TPP which is a new party thats been on the rise

[raven stone]

Modern Chinese in any from never had any good choices to choose from…

Lol

[arctic talon]

so the DPP have lost seats to another center left party

Which has ended up meaning the KMT hold majority in the legislative yuan

this is I think one of the first times in Taiwan history

where one of the coalitions has had a majority in the Yuan, while the other coalition is in power as the President

[arctic talon]

Look your choices are the CCP(for mainland China) and uh the CCP(for mainland china) very good options

for Taiwan you have the Vaguely facist nationalists and you have the vaguely authoritarian nationalists

wonderful choices

now granted neither of the 2 parties in Taiwan have been able to act on their uh

[raven stone]

Yea that is what I meant, no good choices 🤣

[arctic talon]

more authoritarian goals

but who knows what the future holds

[arctic talon]

Regarding this I mean yeah, Chiang Kai-Shek is extremely hated in Taiwan

for being a facist asshole

People do not like him

[nocturne crest]

Huh. Off topic, but Destiny 2 got a lore leak: ||The Nine assassinated JFK.||

[arctic talon]

Like

huh

what

what the fuck do you mean The Nine assasinated JFK

who did they have do it?

its not like they themselves can do it

[nocturne crest]

IIRC, He kept pestering the US to nuke China, so Taiwan could invade in the aftermath.

[arctic talon]

thats unsurprising

Chiang also blew up a dam and got 3 million people killed

and kind of just didn't care

also had to be forced at gunpoint to work with the CCP

I would like to mention Chaing was also a marxist

at this point in time

in fact Chiang still claimed he was a marxist around the time he died

[vagrant fox]

Didn't he provide an offer to send soldiers to the Korean War
Probably to escalate it a little bit the cheeky lad

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Chiang had a thirst for blood

[nocturne crest]

Apparently ||JFK's brain got hit with a unknown energy that may have been related to the bullet.||

[arctic talon]

oh my fucking god LOL

EARTH KILLED JFK

or venus/mars

ig

[nocturne crest]

All leaked from the collectors' edition of the new Destiny 2 dlc.

[late osprey]

bro got a Brain to Air cast on him by a level 14 Wizard/Sorcerer Multiclass

[nocturne crest]

||What if the guardian is assassinating JFK?||

[arctic talon]

the last thing he saw before he died

[late osprey]

also the KMT were, for lack of a more politically accurate term, up to a little trolling instead of actually rebuilding China after WW2

[arctic talon]

I would laugh my ass off

[arctic talon]

Chiang "I would rather kill a thousand innocent people then let 1 communist escape" Kai Shek

Fucking 40k ass quote right there

[late osprey]

hard to imagine why everyone immediately hated their guts when they were just embezzling the fuck out of the whole country instead of rebuilding

[arctic talon]

Me when the warlord coalition acts like a warlord coalition

💀

disloyal, corrupt and violent to the end

Sun Yat Sen would be a fucking perpetual motion machine if he saw what became of the KMT lol

[late osprey]

"Wow! Under their leadership we defended China from the Japanese! I wonder why anyone has any problem with them!?"

"Oh yeah... that's why."

[arctic talon]

now granted Sun was also arguably a warlord but still

[arctic talon]

fun fact the CCP has been trying to rehabilitate his image recently

for reasons beyond my comprehension

well rehabiliate is the wrong word, but they try to justify some of the more uh drastic measures he took

[late osprey]

he was seen in the same photo as Mao, maybe they would like to insist that Mao himself would never treat with anyone evil willingly

don't ask about his wife after his death

[arctic talon]

let me find a quote about chiang

[arctic talon]

"{his} greatest contribution was to make the CCP successful. If he had been a bit more trustworthy, if his character was somewhat better, the CCP would have been unable to beat him".

and also some other comments are that he only was losing to Japan because he did not receive the support he needed from his benefators(The US and Germany) and he overestimated how likely his soldiers wanted to fight

he also was against Taiwanese seperatism so ig that may be why they are rehabilitating his image somewhat

[nocturne crest]

Sorry, quick 40k question, but would something like the Bale Eye used by Yarrick be something other commissars could get, or was it a one off for Yarrick?

[late osprey]

i mean in the war against Japan he had some pretty extreme fanatics

you wanna talk about 40k-esque, some of the Chinese Nationalist descriptions read straight out of an Imperial Guard novel

[arctic talon]

one off

but its not unique tech

it can be reproduced

[nocturne crest]

You mean like Dare to Die?

[arctic talon]

see: the Ma Clique

holy fuck lol

[late osprey]

so he probably saw his men willingly blowing themselves up to wipe out IJA tank columns and thought "oh yeah that'll happen again vs the communists"

[late osprey]

yeah

[arctic talon]

the Ma Clique uh

well

the Ma Clique certainly had a vibe and fervor for war lol

[late osprey]

they were internationally lauded as elite too, weren't just a bunch of untrained psychotics

[nocturne crest]

How so?

[arctic talon]

def, its odd to see how much they imploded though

[arctic talon]

Well they were religous fanatics for one

and they were highly trained

most of their officers having trained either in Japan or under Nationalist china

[late osprey]

"Among the most renowned forces within the NRA were the Muslim divisions commanded by the Ma Clique—a group of Chinese Muslim warlords and military officers who had aligned with the Kuomintang (KMT). Unlike the German-trained units that received mixed reviews from European observers, the Ma Clique's Muslim divisions, trained domestically in China without Western assistance, garnered astonishment and respect for their battlefield discipline and fierce combat capabilities. European travellers and observers such as Sven Hedin and Georg Vasel were reportedly awed by both the imposing appearance and martial effectiveness of these units. They were noted for enduring rigorous and brutal training regimes."

[arctic talon]

yeah

the Ma Clique did extremely well during the war

unlike some other warlord cliques

[late osprey]

they even embraced the 40kism of not caring about your gender because they just want bodies

at least the Dare to Die side

[arctic talon]

I forgot which member of the Ma Clique

called for Jihad against Japan

I think it was the really old dude

[late osprey]

Was it a guy who had diabetes and trained on the ground with his troops?

[arctic talon]

Yeah it was that guy

he was the one who called for Jihad against Japan along with like, a lot of other muslim groups at that time

but he's like the notable one

this dude Ma Hongkui

[vagrant fox]

classic ma clique

[late osprey]

He does NOT look like the most hardcore warrior of the age ngl

maybe the lighting just does him dirty

[vagrant fox]

Was it Ma Biao who called the Japanese dwarf devils

[arctic talon]

yes

"I will give vengeance for the already dead martyrs, achieving glory with the next generation."

he uh

he really did not like the Japanese

[arctic talon]

tbf he was like, obese iirc

he had a lot of health issues bcs of his diabetese

[late osprey]

Yeah but you read his accolades and the dude's a beast

[arctic talon]

tbf he had aura in like this photo

ignore the double chin

now granted he was also a brutal warlord but like

warlord era moment

[vagrant fox]

You know how it is, if you're a warlord you gotta warlord

[arctic talon]

me when I'm bored so I have to kill hundreds of people every month

[languid meadow]

his uniform is strangling him

[arctic talon]

there's some irony to how both factions of the Chinese Civil war's higher ranking members

were not native mandarin speakers

and how both Mainlaind China and Taiwan ended up enforcing Mandarin as the "universal" language

[arctic talon]

ngl I am not the one thats going to be telling that to him

[late osprey]

wasn

[storm jungle]

Average imperial guard general fr

[late osprey]

wasn't there a story about a warlord-era guy who saw a ball game for the first time and thought it was the stupidest thing he'd ever seen

and so just ordered every player be given a ball?

something like "Why are we fighting over a ball, are we poor or something?"

[arctic talon]

I have never heard of that but that would track

[vagrant fox]

oh the er, zongchang thing

[arctic talon]

"I have always had one answer for Communists-kill them all."

self proclaimed socialist btw

[vagrant fox]

tbf, there's nothing worse than another leftist who's wrong

[arctic talon]

almost all of the famous Chinese Warlords have some deranged quotes

replace communists with heretics for the KMT aligned ones

and it sounds like a 40k character tbh

[arctic talon]

Chinese Civil war in a nutshell

Both sides hated capitalists, both sides supported nationalizing the economy, both sides were socialists, both sides hated imperialism, both sides hated japan and both sides wanted a strong central government.

[languid meadow]

The only warlord I know and the insane shit he did is Zhang Zongchang

[vagrant fox]

Genuinely funny man

[digital glacier]

Working class hero

[arctic talon]

the three don't knows

Doesn't know how much money he has, doesn't know how many soldiers he has under his command and doesn't know how many women were in his harem

[vagrant fox]

He's the one who got everyone each their ball for basketball I think it was

[arctic talon]

that sounds about right

[vagrant fox]

thank you great general of justice and might

His poems crack me up, semi-literacy should be mandated for poets

[late osprey]

that name let me do some digging

so he didn't actually say or do that, but it was a joke made about him since he was so wacky/stupid

"Once when he was inspecting a middle school, he saw students playing basketball and fighting with each other. He was very unhappy and scolded the principal on the spot, saying: "Where did all the funds go? Can't we have more money?"

1988 tongue-in-cheek biography

[opaque coyote]

I am

95% shre

That if 40k was allowed

And by allowed I mean allowed to do it without tanking their sales or having people become depressed

The Guardsmen would basically be a combo of

Nazi's and Imperial Japan

Atrocities included

[arctic talon]

The guard do purge local populations in lore

Tbf

It’s just usually a one sentence thing or codex lore

[young pecan]

I think something that people don't talk about enough is the Emperor's current perspective and how the public opinion of mankind is warping him, by little or a lot, into something that he is not

I wonder if he can perceive that change

[crisp heath]

Is it too much to ask for the hh retold in spongebob 😔

[young pecan]

I think that should be considered a human right

[opaque coyote]

Honestly that sounds like an interesting short story

Like a story of a group of people trying to escape the guardsmen purging them

[arctic talon]

well

that is in hammer and bolter

[opaque coyote]

There's no twist that they're like GSC or whatever.

[arctic talon]

though its revealed they're GSC

well, that specific family is

not a lot of the other people

[opaque coyote]

Tbh that's what I'm referring to

[arctic talon]

those are just normal people as far as we know lol

[opaque coyote]

Like I found that to be lame

[arctic talon]

I agree

[opaque coyote]

I think it would've been interesting if they weren't

[opaque coyote]

But yeah regardless

I would like an actual short story of people trying to escape the Imperial Guard

Not even for an actual reason like Tyranids

[sly ivy]

That is a good story idea

[opaque coyote]

It's just after a non-chaos rebellion

And they're purging anybody that might be

Slightly connected

[sly ivy]

Would also let the guard be the scary hyper competent killers they are in lore

[opaque coyote]

Let the flashlights (lmao) show what it can really do to a human body

[sly ivy]

PDF elements could be trying to help the locals

[opaque coyote]

Actually sounds interesting

Like the PDF are usually either

Corrupted, incompetent, or both

[arctic talon]

A planet is marked for extermination because they have a relic

that belongs to a traitor primarch

problem solved

or some other famous traitor

maybe they have a bolter from Huron

[opaque coyote]

It should turn out that the relic isn't even anything special

Not even a bolter

[arctic talon]

bolt shell

[opaque coyote]

It should be like a chair

[arctic talon]

lol

[opaque coyote]

Perfect

[arctic talon]

Chair goes fucking nuts

Huron's desk

[sly ivy]

Oh god everyone is gonna get purged Fulgrim has left his used rubbers across half the galaxy

[opaque coyote]

Horus's desk made it backwater planet #1912010

[arctic talon]

we do know an entire planet got purged

because they had a gun Horus had picked up

once

like it wasn't even his

it was gifted to Horus, he picked it up and then just left it there

[sly ivy]

Bro a primarch chair isn’t nothing imagine how much demigod taint aura it’s absorbed and how many warp farts have sunken into it

[arctic talon]

awful

[opaque coyote]

The entire story should be the escapees trying to find a ship to get out

Meanwhile they question why they're being pursued

Why their friends and family had to die

[sly ivy]

This is a real good idea 4 a story

[opaque coyote]

And then at the end it shows an entire guardsman regiment surrounding something. Defenses set up that can repel a Tyranid Invasion.

...

It's a single bolt shell

[sly ivy]

Like Abnett occasionally shifts the perspective to remind us of how fething scary and barbaric the Tanith are

[golden imp]

Tanith books showing the way to kill a chaos marine is simply to over charge your las gun just shoot through his damn head

(Including helmet)

[radiant lance]

Why do they call this game "darktide" when there isn't a sea in the game

[opaque coyote]

Lore wise, it's in reference to Chaos

[radiant lance]

Is it high tide or low tide

[opaque coyote]

Yes

[languid meadow]

40k isn't based enough for an ordertide💔

[dreamy thicket]

If the tide is so dark why don't they just turn on the lights? Are they stupid?

[chrome owl]

[digital glacier]

Lights Out modifier

[languid meadow]

Inferno is cooler lights out and we just lost it

I'm devastated

[digital glacier]

Are Worlds meant to turn over all of their Psykers to Imperial Authorities?

[opaque coyote]

Basically any they can find yeah

Tbf there is good incentive

Even a low tier Psyker getting possessed can destroy an entire city

[rocky gale]

Holy peak

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[queen laurel]

this is without a doubt the best and most unique looking psyker mini in the setting

[plush mason]

i want those helmets

[queen laurel]

oh yeah Larmy question since they are seemingly updating and giving new stuff to factions in necro

What faction do you want to see get something real good

[rocky gale]

Corpse grinder cult

[queen laurel]

oh yeah they need it

[rocky gale]

Yea they’ve only got one plastic kit and one resin HQ

[queen laurel]

i wouldn't mind the Ogryn gang getting

more things because they are also just a single kit

[rocky gale]

Oh really I thought they had a bunch

[queen laurel]

this entire thing right here is their gang

So I wouldn't mind them and the grinder cults getting some love

[celest dome]

Slave Ogryn getting an update would be sweet

And maybe some Awakened Ogryn miniature

[radiant lance]

Is every ganger an amputee in the grim dark future of 40k?

I'm noticing a pattern here

[queen laurel]

Comes with the job

Being a criminal you're kind of bound to lose limbs sometime your life

[queen laurel]

psychic ogryns

[drowsy geyser]

Looks amazing 🤩
Will have to buy some

[celest dome]

Work in a factory without health and safety and you're in for the same fate

[queen laurel]

that too

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-syndrome-oh-come-on-you-gotta-admit-this-is-cool-this-is-cool-cool-gif-25188857

[rocky gale]

40K designers when they get to design something that isn’t Space Marines

[queen laurel]

i genuinely love the bone crusher

the guy looks like he could square up to an Ambot and win

[celest dome]

Speaking of Munda Psykers, wonder if they could reintroduce Wyrd, the Caller, that 'not-Vampire' dude and the Eldar from the old system

[drowsy geyser]

Wyrd could make a comeback, surely

Being weak human psykers, with a style that paved way for newer psyker models for guard

[drowsy geyser]

In theory savant psyker good get a cosmetic with this fit 🤔

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-diver-catapult-warhammer-total-war-greenskins-warhammer-fantasy-homing-missile-gif-19362341

[queen laurel]

Me on my way to inevitably get the next DLC to release only for me to ignore the characters in it

[simple sparrow]

Hi

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-snark-who-up-who-meme-gif-18406141753525215082

[celest cedar]

aaah half life

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/snark-black-mesa-half-life-hl1-hl-gif-12153330154250961644

[queen laurel]

the spy getting ready for the hail mary sapper

( He will die to a random crit rocket )

[opaque coyote]

what the skidibi

[vagrant fox]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/721796462404435968/1152371027108712518/johnskibidi2.gif?ex=6870e7e6&is=686f9666&hm=bfd7b33a028b6460c689f43aeb53cbef6d8ce6b3abe8ad6fa0dd60593e6afc2b&

[dapper gyro]

I never understand what is interesting about this...

And now it seems to make tons of money everywhere.

[rose thorn]

Tbh I didn’t expect enforcers to be the second gang to get their secundus expansion

[wintry scarab]

Who on earth buys stuff on discord. Im really curious what sort of person would. To me at least, it seems strange. Maybe im just judgemental.

At the same time i buy virtual cosmetics for my digital toys so theres that.

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-william-dafoe-drip-willem-dafoe-green-goblin-gif-24275742

[kind eagle]

Random for fun question: How many space marines would it take to kill excalibur umbra from Warframe?

[languid meadow]

Warframe is so comically overpowered that I don't think they could

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-gauss-prime-warframe-gauss-prime-gif-7179145842788928326

[sharp pollen]

how many guardsmen it would take to kill the god emperor

[kind eagle]

more than 2

[celest dome]

Does the Emperor get Custodes, and do the Guardsmen get artilery ?

[sharp pollen]

just guarsmen with rifles and other gear, no artillery or other machines

emperor just him

in his prime

[wintry scarab]

Yet still in the 1999 story, it took 2 frames to lift a truck. Hate that scene. 1 Warframe could lift a car easy.

[celest dome]

Oh prime, well that's difficult to say, probably impossible tbh

[arctic talon]

The proto frames aren’t proper frames tbf

They lack shields

As well

[sharp pollen]

E would die of boredom

while wiping them out

[wintry scarab]

Well still. We were there. I was expecting us to just lift it off her, but we still looked like we had a hard time with it

[arctic talon]

The Hex are reliant entirely on their “natural” armor and are slower

[arctic talon]

Prolly didn’t want to chuck it off as well lol

If someone’s crushed under something you should be careful removing it

[languid meadow]

yeah it would make sense if it was just protoframes lifting it but you're there helping lift it which is easy for you

[arctic talon]

It’s not like a wrecked truck in that manner

Is like an entire thing lol

What if it collapses further

Ect.

[sour hornet]

No.

Knights are their own thing. A knight house could be based out of a world with a convent on it.

This has happened w/ knights and astartes chapters before.

But the two would be strictly separate organizations allied together.

The pipeline for knight pilots is incompatible with anything else.

[wintry scarab]

Nah, i bet, considering DE has basically never had much consistency with stuff like that, they definitely didnt put that amount of attention into that scene.

It was just poorly done imo

[arctic talon]

The fenrisian kraken egg the Space wolves had had since 5e hatched

and surprise surprise

Its full of fucking nids lol

[sly ivy]

……wat

[young pecan]

Have we ever seen any of the psychic feats that the Emperor can do?

Ik he's supposed to be the only stable psyker of the highest tier but I've never seen what he can do

Other than the webway living in his brain ofc

[arctic talon]

Yes

he made the entire word bearer legion kneel

with a single word

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

Basically he can do anything the plot wants him to do

thats his power level ala Ahriman

its pretty busted but that is 40k magic rules for you

[sharp pollen]

can he do a backflip

[sly ivy]

He once thot about his uncle really hard and then his uncle fuckin died

[storm jungle]

Not even a joke either, good power.

[near wasp]

Didn't he also obilterate a legion of daemons in the webway just with his presence

[vagrant fox]

sorta

[sly ivy]

He once sang all of Bohemian Rhapsody perfectly in tune

[vagrant fox]

people do that on the reg

[sly ivy]

They r all Him in disguise

[vagrant fox]

fixed a titan just for the laffs

it's a knight

but lets exaggerate to titan

[digital glacier]

He also detected that Corvus Corax was starting to doubt him and so essentially made it so that he wouldn't disagree with him or his methods ever again even though he's everything he hates as a ruler in normal circumstances

[sly ivy]

He had a really smart philosophically brilliant debate about religion w the last Christian priest

[vagrant fox]

he knows the entirety of public enemy's 911 is a joke by heart

[sly ivy]

This one time Magnus said he was going 2 his room to study but He could sense it was really to jerk off

[young pecan]

I'd expect nothing less from the main character of 40k

[storm jungle]

Ikr lol

[young pecan]

He got lucky with the last one, most of them can't do that

[near wasp]

Well I need a prayer for the machine god. Going to be working on my dryer (again)

Last time I did this I spent hours fighting it. I listened through most of harrow master working on it

[opaque coyote]

So our of boredom

Do y'all think the warp needs to go deeper into minor warp entities and factions

Like similar to the Sons of Malice in terms of scale

[outer wave]

Absolutely

I think it'd make the warp more nuanced

[chilly prism]

Is the Warp weak to anything? Like a type of metal or is there some kinda energy weapon that repels warp goons?

Or some kind of device that stops warp portals from opening

[outer wave]

Its weak to anti-psyker shenanigans, like Blanks and The Shadow in the Warp

Otherwise, not really

[chilly prism]

what are those

[outer wave]

Its basically hell that runs off emotions of sentient beings, most prominently human emotions

[chilly prism]

So, can we make like a giant Prozac Cannon and blast it into the warp?

[outer wave]

Blanks are individuals that have a dim soul or no soul, and are considered uncanny by most folk. This can be weaponized as one Assassinorum organization uses in order to deal with psykers. The Shadow in the Warp is a phenomena that is caused by the Tyranids' hivemind, where they can put a stop to psykers and their connections to the warp; from that standpoint, they can close warp portals and turn the gifts of chaos on cultists moot

[outer wave]

Not really, but hey, depends on the writer at that point

[chilly prism]

Damn, why does it sound like they backloaded all the power in the universe to Tyranids lol

[outer wave]

Dont worry, they literally lose in basically every book they're featured in from what I hear

[sly ivy]

There’s no goon like a warp goon

[sly ivy]

Tbh kind of

Except it would be more like shooting up material humans with it to quell their strong emotions

And that eventually would starve the gods.

The Emperor’s Imperial Truth was an attempt to impose logic and rationality, since the excesses of religious fervor feed the gods.

[sly ivy]

Don’t they sort of have an anti-soul

Necrons are soulless but they don’t have the pariah effect

[outer wave]

Not too sure if its anti-soul like anti-matter or just little to no soul

[outer wave]

Mmmm a decent point

[sly ivy]

That there are power levels to it kind of suggests you can go into the negative. Or it’s just like asymptotically approaching true 0

[outer wave]

Ive heard dim souls, though I think thats more Tau souls

Ive heard no souls for Blanks

[sly ivy]

A soul gives substance to the warp — the warp is made of souls. I’m just talking through this. Lack of a soul does nothing to the warp one way or another. But if there is something tethered to you in the Warp, only instead of contributing to the substance of the warp it consumes it…

Which is very much how the animus speculum (peak name) is described

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Animus_speculum

Actually lexicanum, with citations, strongly supports the negative soul thing

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blank

[outer wave]

Hmmm I see

So basically anti-matter to matter but with souls

[sly ivy]

This makes more sense. Yeah kind of but also they have singularity-like effects

In that they suck in warp stuff

[outer wave]

Okay okay

[sly ivy]

But they do have souls. They’re just terrifying anti-souls.

Idk whether there are anti-psychic powers or whether the rarity of anti- soulstuff in the immaterium means there isn’t enough background substance and energy to draw on

[chilly prism]

They need to do a "what if" and have E come back and show him doing all the cool shit he wanted to

[chilly prism]

This sounds wild as hell. It's like that one movie with christian bale

Equilibrium. where everyone takes a pill to get rid of their emotions

[celest cedar]

I turned into a Cadian mid banter

[winged jacinth]

In addition to what everyone else said, yeah sort of https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Noctilith

[sly ivy]

Yes!

[sly ivy]

The metaphysics of the Warp in 40K are actually really well done. Basic premise: living things / sentient beings in particular have souls. The souls are tethered to their material bodies. When the material body dies, the soul becomes untethered.

The warp itself is the Sea of Souls. Its “matter” is soul-stuff. Its “energy” is emotion, and to a certain extent other cognitive phenomena. This alone explains a lot of what you see in the 40K universe.

[late osprey]

Dont the Necrons have a bunch of goofy "anti-warp" technology?

[sly ivy]

Gods are made of soul-matter but that matter is actuated by the ideas and emotions that attract each other and agglomerate to form the self-sustaining vortex that is a god.

Ya that’s nullification tech though. It doesn’t suck warp stuff in like a pariah. It cuts the materium off from the immaterium. It strengthens the veil and can even mend tears in it.

[late osprey]

Maybe its me being some sort of chaos fanboy, but I just find the idea of "anti-warp tech" to be fundamentally ridiculous

[sly ivy]

A pariah’s soul exists in the warp and actively devours warp stuff.

[sly ivy]

It should never be too powerful in lore.

Chaos must always be the principal threat

[winged jacinth]

If anti warp technology didn't exist the lore wouldn't make any sense

The old ones would have just blown up the necrontyr

[sly ivy]

Anyway to conclude the clever thing about it is that the gods are us. Their motive force is our emotions.

[winged jacinth]

is if dead lore that the pariah gene is an ancient necron experiment

[sly ivy]

They have a veneer of being eldritch and unknowable but actually they’re way more familiar and less alien than, well, an alien.

[winged jacinth]

They used to make necron pariahs out of human ones i think that's gone

[sly ivy]

Dead lore so far

Every edition I think they’re gonna bring back necron pariahs

[late osprey]

I mean

that's more or less how it went down, its said that their warp power was their main factor in it

so the presence of efficacious anti-warp technology is actually LESS sensicle

sensible, even

[winged jacinth]

But yeah blackstone being what it is, is the only reason the cadia-eot stuff happened the way it did was the pylons

[winged jacinth]

They lost though

[late osprey]

No, they won pyrrhically

[sly ivy]

The butthole bracers

[late osprey]

IIRC it's said in no uncertain terms that the outcome is their victory, but they were left so weak that the enslaver plague wiped them out

Furthermore, the actual details of the war itself are never particularly divulged in anyway

Anyway, the reason anti-warp technology is silly to me is more on fundamental grounds

like, what does that even MEAN?

when in the context of what the warp actually IS it's very wacky

[winged jacinth]

The veil can be thick or thin

Blackstone lets you modify that among other things

[sly ivy]

They were big self important dinosaurs they foresaw that their creations would produce Jurassic Park’s 500 sequels and died of cringe

[chilly prism]

What I dont get, is if things like Nekrons or Orks or Tyranids go there. Nekrons are just souls in metal bodies right? Orks seem like they are capable of being pretty human like and I guess tyranids probably not ftmp, but I imagine there's some kinda crazy evolved tyranid thats human like

[chilly prism]

Imagine a bunch of space marines with armor made of this

[winged jacinth]

Tyranid hive fleets are so psychically active they basically carry their own warp environment with them, the Shadow

[sly ivy]

Orks interact with the warp more or less the way humans do. Necrons are soulless. They have no immaterial self.

Not anymore.

No body of light, as the XV would have it

[winged jacinth]

I imagine the WAAAGH field psychically insulates most orks some by spreading the load, given the mass head explosions weirdboyz cause

Between that and their rather earnest dedication to a good krumpin' orks don't seem to get corrupted often

To me this implies there's a difference between khornate killing for suffering and disorder and stuff and good ol orky war for the love of the game

[crisp heath]

I like tuska deamon killer , he caught khornes eye and now gets to Krump for eternity in one of khornes realms

[winged jacinth]

"Skulls for the skull throne? Not till i take the teef out"

[sly ivy]

Gork and Mork might also shield them. Not unlikely those two are created gods made by the krork under the influence of the old ones

Like the Eldar gods

[crisp heath]

There's something else they welcome Gellar feild incursions as practice on the way to the real fight

[winged jacinth]

Given how rapidly the tau accidentaly made their god and the empires numbers relative to the orks gork and mork are probably pretty damn powerful actually

[sly ivy]

[crisp heath]

Orks are chads honestly

[winged jacinth]

And yeah don't feral orks automatically pick up gork/mork worship?

[sly ivy]

We consistently are led to understand G and M are v powerful

[crisp heath]

Yeah gork and Mork I'd say have a strong presence due to the amount of orks that worship them

[winged jacinth]

The same way a critical mass of orks starts building guns

[sly ivy]

But the krork lost their anti-chaos purpose so G and M don’t go around krumping the Old Four.

[crisp heath]

Orks are just so cool bio engineerd super weapons , if they achieve prime ork hood again the galaxy is in trouble

Ghazgulls like 18 ft tall iirc

[winged jacinth]

It would be a funny explanation for the brutal cunning/cunning brutality mixup if the worship is genetic and the old ones forgot to specify in the design stage

[crisp heath]

Do you like the idea of a rouge trader w a freebooter in his retenue

There's some great short audio books on YouTube

[chilly prism]

Could an ork become impossible to kill using their bs powers and wearing some specifically colored armor

[winged jacinth]

They seem hard to share a space with

[chilly prism]

or keep someone else alive through their powers

[winged jacinth]

The waagh field is grossly meme scaled

[crisp heath]

It's hilarious the dialog between the two

[chilly prism]

I've seen people say that

[winged jacinth]

Like ork guns work

They just work bad if you're not an ork

[chilly prism]

Tons of people will talk in comments about orks can do anything because their psychic bs and just thinking it lets them, and it sounds like people think there are no limits

[winged jacinth]

Its an ancient game of telephone

[crisp heath]

Doesn't the waagh feild make there guns shoot faster ect

I genuinely am asking

[chilly prism]

But i'll see a few random/smaller ones saying there's an actual limit. My thought is that there's some youtubers or something out there spreading that "orks can do whatever with psychic powers" bs and then it's getting picked up by people who have only maybe played like space marine and like the verse or are just noobs like me but dont try to clarify things

[winged jacinth]

The waagh field is best described as reality lube in the orks favor

[crisp heath]

Oh so just how ork tech works

[chilly prism]

Sounds more like dominos luck power

[winged jacinth]

Their guns stop jamming idk if they're actually cycling faster

[chilly prism]

LIkem with Domino, her power doesn't automatically make her survive anything. She has to at least take some kind of action for the effect of her luck to start.

So if a meteor is gonna hit her, she's gonna have to start running away and the power works. if she stands there staring at it, nothing will happen

[winged jacinth]

Sort of? Way less powerful and a little more versatile

[chilly prism]

I imagine ork tech has to have actual wires and shit

[winged jacinth]

Ork tech functions

Poorly

[chilly prism]

But their Waggh field amplifies it

?

[winged jacinth]

The waagh field makes them work well yeah

[crisp heath]

I know if a human uses it its most likely going to jam but it's not entirely "psykick enabled" it's still functionally has some sort of sense to it

[chilly prism]

So like a red painted car has a working engine, but basically everything is broken. an ork drive sit and the field makes the tires spin, the engine sound/burn fuel and turn the wheels but not all the parts are really working ?

Maybe like how Professor X can use telekinesis to move his legs and walk around?

[winged jacinth]

Yeah they're just like khyber pass handmade doohickeys, that work like forge world guns under the field

[crisp heath]

Red is faster for orks funny enough

Blue is good luck

I'm not sure about other colors

[chilly prism]

It sounds interesting to read into

Curious. Are orks able to be patient?

[crisp heath]

Yellow i think is saying I'm rich look at me I'm gold?

[crisp heath]

Yes

[winged jacinth]

In something really complex like a car maybe not every part is actually working but most of it has to at least some

[crisp heath]

That being said they don't like to do alot of talking

[winged jacinth]

You'd never be able to knock an ork vehicle out otherwise

[crisp heath]

I'm pretty sure a human can drive a ork trukk

[winged jacinth]

Patience is something developed in old, powerful orks mostly

[chilly prism]

Like, you know that scene from Dragonball Z, where they convince Super Buu to basically wait for Gotenks to learn their fusion so that Buu will have a good fight? Have people been able to slow down or stop a waggh or large Ork army by getting them to be like "Hey Orks, we have a huge party of ready to fight super troops on the way, but they are 1 year out. If you give us that time, we promise you a super good time!"

[crisp heath]

The imperium usually will try to get the orks to fight each other

[winged jacinth]

Best case they infight which still isnt good

[chilly prism]

I figured it was something like that at least

[crisp heath]

There's a great bit about it in that rouge trader book I mentioned

[winged jacinth]

The orks vs tyranids fiasco

[crisp heath]

He takes gorgax freebooter to a ork infested planet sets him up as a warboss gives him supplys to cross the great dessert to waaagh on the other ork tribes

So peak

[chilly prism]

I'm regretting not buying rogue trader when it was on sale. I played it some on game pass. forgot a book was mentioned

[winged jacinth]

There's still 2 unreleased dlc anyway

[crisp heath]

https://youtu.be/RS1vboEwR0k?si=tHeKf4ze4Jri6kDs

[winged jacinth]

Worth waiting if you're not really wanting to play it i think

[chilly prism]

Wait

Were you the one that sent another thing like this maybe a week ago

About the two Ogryn bros

I forget what it was called, but I couldn't find it again

Or maybe it was 2 ork dudes

that were traders on some planet

[crisp heath]

I'm not 100% sure

I sometimes post audio books

[winged jacinth]

Im never preordering another owlcat game that's for sure
I bought wotr too late to see their true colors

"Buy the game and dlc! Also the dlc will take years and you secretly only bought half of it"

Like 21 months for the 2 dlc i paid for

Maybe they've got a lot going on i haven't gotten deep into them but still

[crisp heath]

I hate when developers give us the cake but we can't eat it

[winged jacinth]

Replaying these games is a huge undertaking and you can't really go back from endgame to do the dlc as intended, so i prefer them to be done

But hey maybe ill do a heretic playthrough when they finish the other two dlc in march 2027

[chilly prism]

It sounded like they were adding the type of stuff that should've been in the game from the start

I liked the hours I played. It was cool to be able to decide things in the 40k verse and be respectable

[crisp heath]

I enjoy it heaps but suck at those style of games

I like the choices

[chilly prism]

Having choices was great

Thing I hated the most was how complicated they made learning all the stats and abilities

It's not a very smooth way to get in the game, especially if your'e like me and went from playing bg3 and wanting to experience another good crpg. Thing there were more streamlined and you could focus on teh world/playing vs figuring out all that technical shit

I've seen people talk about it in some reddit threads, how it's "just how their games are".

[winged jacinth]

You should understand that BG3 from a crpg fan's perspective (or a 5e player for that matter) is really simple and limited yeah

They took an extensively playtested already stripped down ruleset and then stripped it down even farther

[chilly prism]

I can see if that's a positive for players. But I'm curious if they could smooth things out more in the future. I can't imagine anyone saying it would make the game too casual, because I found it very easy. But all the terms and the UI and formulas was a lot for what's supposed to be a easy power fantasy game

[chilly prism]

This I have heard and understand.

Which is why i'm not like "bro this is stupid bg3 is better'

But just as a new crpg player, it was a sorta annoying hurdle

[winged jacinth]

If you want the bg3 experience play normal and pick thumbs up talents

[chilly prism]

I hated bg3 after finishing act 2

Act 3 was such a completely piece of shit experience

[winged jacinth]

Though that's still about 5 times as many choices as 5e has you make

I didn't make it out of act 1 ironically d&d is too important to me

God 5e though

[chilly prism]

5e was my first experience with dnd. But even when i first started, there was some DM's that mentioned how it wasn't this super loved version

Did 5e gut a lot of stuff?

[winged jacinth]

Least flexible chargen ive ever seen in a system meant for extended play

Really weird combat that shows they learned all the wrong lessons from 4e

[chilly prism]

There's also something that happens that removes one of the things you do when making your char, because it no longer becomes relevant after the reveal. I wont say what tho

[winged jacinth]

Skill design is whatever but the rules provide basically no guidance on dming out of combat

[chilly prism]

Is it the most popular one atm? or is it just the go to for new playesr

[winged jacinth]

So combat is lame and out of combat is entirely on your dm's shoulders

Most popular but by inertia really

[chilly prism]

My friend was talking about trying to do dnd online, but 40k themed somehow. was curious what path that would end up being

[winged jacinth]

???

Just play dark heresy or something

Theres like 5 40k ttrpgs

Play gorkamorka

[chilly prism]

that sounds like a Ork party lol

[winged jacinth]

Its an ork mad max setting its awesome

[chilly prism]

bruh

ima look that up

[winged jacinth]

In physical play you determine vehicle capacity by physically stacking ork models on the vehicle model

[chilly prism]

LOL

[winged jacinth]

Capacity by pile size

Its old though the rules are rough

Fantasy flight really only figured shit out pretty recently their base system is very quirky

[crisp heath]

Did you guys know in early edition of wargammwr 40k you could stack as many orks into a trukk as you could fit and it's legal as long as they don't fall off while moving, the ones thar fall off die

So if you had jenga skills you could put 40-50 boys in a single trukk

[chilly prism]

you have to actually take apart an engine and put it back together to even open the box

[chilly prism]

can you still do some crazy shit like htis

this

[queen laurel]

The rule has been removed in table top

[crisp heath]

I have not played since 5th or 4th I don't think so tho

I do know that you never want to get in mellee w orks there kinda like khorne

[arctic talon]

That rules been dead since after 2e, nothing that insane since 1e or 2e tbh

[chilly prism]

is there anything like it though?

Like

the sheer craziness of it

[queen laurel]

^

[chilly prism]

Sucks they got rid of any funny or cool mechanics then

lame

[arctic talon]

There’s still weird and funny mechanics

But that one is way too weird lol

The game needs to be playable

[queen laurel]

yeah there are still plenty but this is a game you need a game to be playable

[chilly prism]

"take one unit from the person playing next to you, roll a dice and they get to attack your enemy "

[queen laurel]

So unfortunately you're gonna have to remove rules like that

[chilly prism]

It's like a 4th wall break kinda deal lol.

I was surprised to see MTG had cards like that.

This was the meme that made me really wanna play tbh. I looked it up one day and it ended up with me seeing some shit that was just cool

Was like more in depth risk, and risk is my favorite baord game

That's putting it very plainly

Side lore question

In lore, do Arbites actually love their dogs?

Like, are they loyal companions and not just a piece of meat to be ground

[arctic talon]

It varies

Arbites to arbite

[queen laurel]

it's a broad question that's answered by the way how humans are each different so it's a it depends

[chilly prism]

Is there a general mindset at least

[queen laurel]

no

[chilly prism]

Well, I gotta imagine they at least care for em

Beyond some basic shit

But idk if there's specific lore on how the imperium treats things like that. Then again, can't you have some random dude turned into a servitor or something because you dont like them?

[arctic talon]

Don’t abuse it, treat it well

Those are the rules

[chilly prism]

Finally

some justice in the imperium

[arctic talon]

Fun fact the skitarii dog riders also have rules against abusing the dog

Lol

The punishment for mistreatment of the cybercanid is removal of all cybernetics and being beaten to death

Lol

[queen laurel]

For mechanicus this is definitely a very deserving punishment

[chilly prism]

being some cool tech knight and having a badass cyber warhound would be awesome

[storm jungle]

I mean

[opaque coyote]

I wonder if Blank Souls just

Cannot be detected except of course

With the absence of the typical signature

Like Dark Matter

We know it's there and doing shit but it's not like we can see it

[winged jacinth]

i think theres probably a specific level of blank that's like that

more powerful blanks are noticeable voids in the warp (manifesting as being unpleasant to be around), first to psykers and then to regular people

i guess you kinda cant detect a blank's soul because you cant psychically approach them?

kinda like saying somethings undetectable because you put it in a building though

[arctic talon]

Hope you don’t scream when getting your legs sawn off

They don’t give anesthesia for that part

[digital glacier]

I mean imagine even most stone hearted Arbites would find some kinship for an ever loyal companion

Even if that companion was artificially altered for serve as effectively as possible

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[sour hornet]

Yes.

Most don't

But some do

[crisp heath]

I love my dawgie and my dawgie love me

😎

[digital glacier]

They love their Doggos

But love the Lex more

[chilly prism]

Can i do just one arm and one leg

They can call me "Fullmetal Guardsman"

[kind eagle]

I just started Infinite and The Divine and lowkey Orikan is the worst

[shadow plover]

Bitter old men the both of them 👴

[kind eagle]

I can excuse all the horrible people things that happen in 40K, including all the shit the Drukhari are up to. But I draw the line at destroying historical artifacts.

[shadow plover]

real

[digital glacier]

A lot of that happening across the Galaxy I'm sure

[sour hornet]

Marine question

Can primaris marines use firstborn armor pieces

I like raven guard, but im (gasp) making a chapter of my own and want to known if they can be primaris marines and use beak helmets

If not, they'll just be chadborn marines

[queen laurel]

They can on both on both questions

Raven Guard Primaris

[sour hornet]

bitchin

never thought I would be thanking you of all people

but thanks 🥀 🥀

back to headcanoning

[queen laurel]

i wil pile drive your head through concrete

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/try-not-to-laugh-gif-7516440236715803256

[queen laurel]

[dapper gyro]

If you still have a little doubt, check the head option for the primaris upgrade: https://www.warhammer.com/en-CA/shop/Raven-Guard-Primaris-Upgrades-2020?queryID=bb96bced19880a9ab3521416c1ba3026

[queen laurel]

If anything they're probably the most popular beak head marine group

because bird up

[sour hornet]

amen

[sour hornet]

this shit is way easier and harder than expected

everything but their color scheme is dead easy 🥀

artists block is a bitch

[dapper gyro]

Hounskull visor is also a thing in real life and effective at deflecting projectiles.

[sour hornet]

yeah

but its also just peak drip

[crisp heath]

Hh marines are peak

Sorry *legionares

Honestly I enjoy the setting of the 30th millennium far more, brother against brother massive armies full of legionares dying left right and center, Karking titans , THE BATTLE FOR TERRA

[raven stone]

I mean on a game design level it is easier to balance as well

Compared to trying to accurately stat and balance all the factions in 40k

[crisp heath]

I haven't had the chance to play hh unfortunately

[raven stone]

Oof

Well TBH neither have I lol

Always wanted to start a Solar Aux/Militia and Alpha Legion joint force though.

Assuming I have time and money

[crisp heath]

I like imperial fists , and the knight houses

But yeah the battle for terra is the highpoint of the heresy for me or istvaan iii

Dorn and sigy doing there thing running around terra krumping

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

That seems abit unfair innit wots a spear gonna do against a shoota

Theys cheatin boss

[digital glacier]

No, if they do they're arrested by the Marine police!

True facts!

[sour hornet]

I'm just gonna set my homebrew deep in the ass-end of Segmentum Ultima

No police out there

[crystal forum]

mmmmh ass end

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/umwhat-what-huh-confused-gif-7897509

[storm jungle]

Hell yeah

then you are gonna fall down the rabbithole of sector-homebrewing

It always starts like this (im a victim of it)

[vagrant fox]

It can be a long and laborious journey

[queen laurel]

there is one way to solve your problem

The forbidden technique

Fleet based chapter

[rose thorn]

[crisp heath]

Is there a gaurd regiment that's similar to imperial Japan

(Tradition wise)

[celest dome]

Don't think GW was that tone deaf

[languid meadow]

Jarivs pull up nippon units from WHFB

[crisp heath]

I thought it could be kinda cool to have regiment that come from a backwater feudal world in emporium space only recently charted that suddenly had to revolutionize once the imperium made its tithes

That are kind of brainwashed into a state of full commitment to the emporer as there new to the cause and the emporium seemed the best thing since Bread but there really just cannon fodder however they excel in dogfights and have a unwavering resolve

[vagrant fox]

I think there's a guard regiment in that vague appearance area but it has next to no lore

[crisp heath]

[vagrant fox]

It's probably on the lexicanum list of guard regiments

[crisp heath]

I did not know said list existed ty

[vagrant fox]

[crisp heath]

home work time

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF_Bz_1xa00

[languid meadow]

4 days until my faction gets shit on by the imperium

[arctic talon]

Don't cry little xenos fan, James has enough killteam reveals for a lifetime

BRING OUT THE GUARD BOX, BOY IS HUNGRY

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-vs-aliens-bob-wail-cry-slop-gif-6249836775790700003

[arctic talon]

look, if the starter box isn't guard vs another faction

I will be very surprised

[celest dome]

SM vs Guard

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/siegfried-gbvs-gbvsr-die-verdrängen-gif-17943989853454082534

[crisp heath]

The new box is custodes and it's 3 models against a bunch of genestealers

[digital glacier]

That's everyday that ends in -day you silly goose

[crisp heath]

About 60 points of genestealers take it or leave it

[arctic talon]

well

its killteam not 40k

points don't matter

[crisp heath]

I'm just yappin

[digital glacier]

Wonder if Fatshark Owlcat will try their hand at the rest of the Fantasy Flight 4K games

[arctic talon]

fatshark hasn't any of them?

unless you mean owlcat

[digital glacier]

Yes

I am dumber than usual, apologies

[celest dome]

I would have guessed you had meant:
VT1/2 -> WFRPG, and DT -> Only War ? or Dark Heresy

[young pecan]

What is the substance to the claim that all cyber mastiffs feel nothing and are practically lobotomized?

[celest dome]

It depend largely

[young pecan]

That's what I figured, but people keep doomposting that none of them feel anything

Like at least the mostly organic ones with some augments like the default DT mastiff would have emotions I'd imagine

[queen laurel]

it depends, most keep their flesh parts , then you have hard case cyber mastiffs

more machine than dog

[young pecan]

I feel like R-VRs are the most augmented a mastiff could get without emotional loss

[digital glacier]

I think it's one exchange from between Arbitrators in DT

[young pecan]

No wikis that I've seen mention anything about loss of emotions at all though so that has no substance

[digital glacier]

But to be honest, it kinda makes sense

[young pecan]

Do you remember how it goes?

[queen laurel]

with how advanced imperium tech is Even hard case mastiffs should be able to keep their emotions

[young pecan]

Also true

Would imagine it comes down to owner preference

[digital glacier]

Male Authoritarian : “I noticed your Cyber Mastiff getting startled on our way here from the Valkyrie”
Male Fatalist : “You're seeing things. They don't have emotions”
Male Authoritarian: “Then perhaps some form of Altitude based Malfunction?”

[young pecan]

I think it's another 40k thing where the writers can make it however they want

[digital glacier]

Makes sense the things would be trained for extra obedience and a lack of self preservation to be honest

[queen laurel]

i mean have you seen the size of these things?

[digital glacier]

Yup

[queen laurel]

They are trained dogs for law

[digital glacier]

They would also need to not pick on fellow Arbitrators

[young pecan]

I would've imagined it was Fatalist pointing out the emotion, not Authoritarian
But then again it doesn't feel like the Arbites are talking about themselves quite as much as the rejects yet

[digital glacier]

No I'm sure it's the Authoritarian noticing the Mastiff's reaction

It implies the Fatalist hasn't mangled his Mastiff as he should have had

[queen laurel]

Authoritarian is the one that points out and starts the conversation, compared to the other arbites

he is really nice

[young pecan]

Maybe it's required in certain sects to totally lobotomize them?

I could see that being the case

[digital glacier]

Maybe

[young pecan]

So in Fatalist's sect it could be required but he managed to not make it so and is trying to hide that?

[digital glacier]

I've heard a few Arbites/Arbites conversations

[young pecan]

This feels like a 99% speculation 1% objectivity conversation, which is neat but I wish we had just a little more to go on

[digital glacier]

It's very probable since the point of his character is that he's actually somewhat disillusioned with the way to do his work

[queen laurel]

I mean just listening to their opening dialogue when you hover over them and the character creation

Fatalist knows the lex is flawed

but it's the only thing they have so they will follow it

[young pecan]

I kinda wanna chirurgeon my fembites personality

Authoritarian's VA is cool but a lot of the lines aren't impactful

[mossy parrot]

GAMES WORKSHOP DROP CORVUS AS A WARP DAEMON AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[green loom]

Do we have the Robert Rath yuri book yet

[queen laurel]

I don't think so

[green loom]

Sad...

[queen laurel]

a rather unfortunate thing i must

say

[arctic talon]

do you count this

Its like

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-going-back-to-sleep-sleep-now-gif-16986684

[arctic talon]

in a really fucked up manner lol

[digital glacier]

Oh, it's about the Dryad abducted by a Slaaneshi cult

[queen laurel]

Toxic yuri?

[digital glacier]

I need to read it!

[green loom]

Robert Rath continues to be based

Although I do mean specifically his Celefax book

[digital glacier]

Robert Rath + AoS = Win

[arctic talon]

I wouldn't even call it that

they make friends with one of the slaaneshi cultists

for uh

their own plans

[digital glacier]

I think they have a little talk about Human reproduction too

[arctic talon]

in comparison to sylvaneth yes

lol

There is a twist by the end of the book

its a good one imo

[outer wave]

The sylvaneth ARE slaaneshi!

[digital glacier]

Which you know, is just what you want to ask Slaanesh worshippers about

Not really

[arctic talon]

Look, brutally killing those Cities of Sugmar nerds was necessary

[digital glacier]

But they're more used to dealing with Nurgle

[outer wave]

Killing those civilians slowly and painfully is ideal for our morale

[arctic talon]

This pleases the sylvaneth

tbh I find the relationship with greywater fastness hilarious

there's one road out

[digital glacier]

Those are Spite Revenants

[arctic talon]

the sylvaneth light the road with wisps and other sylvaneth plants

[queen laurel]

make friends with one of the slaaneshi cultists
you convincing an ironjaw to join you on your journey to beat up stuff is a better choice

[arctic talon]

if you leave the road

you disappear forever

but its not really much of a mystery why you disappear

[storm jungle]

AoS's realms are like witcher on crack

theres a monster every fucking 10 meter

[arctic talon]

tbh I do find it hilarious the Sylvanneth only take people at night

[digital glacier]

I just want to pick up a couple of bundles of stick as a souvenir...
Should be alright

[arctic talon]

if they leave the road

DO IT DURING THE DAY

Doing it at night is genuinely asking for some sort of horrifying death

to Sylvaneth or one of the natural predators

[storm jungle]

tbf

why the fuck would you ever leave the road at night in a forest

both IRL and in fiction

[arctic talon]

Curious

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

overconfidant

stupid

[storm jungle]

if you're in a slasher movie mindset

[arctic talon]

those are the 3 given reasns

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

in soulbound lol

only idiots leave the road

Its literally naturally lit

and protected

you are as safe as you can be on it lol

[digital glacier]

Maybe I see a mysterious maiden wearing white I just want to follow her and see if she's okay...

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/happycadogt-eating-chewing-munching-crunching-gif-7985034447709622118

THis thing eats you if you leave the road

[arctic talon]

I don't think she'll appreciate that

[queen laurel]

because i really want to fight the thing in the woods

[green loom]

I mean

She will

[queen laurel]

It will make for a good trophy

[green loom]

But probably because she'll eat or sacrifice you

Or both

[arctic talon]

well

you'll be good fertilizer for the saplings

[outer wave]

What if the sylvaneth woods were just full of Orks at night?

[arctic talon]

ngl I miss the sylvaneth rules to just

overgrow terrain

that was so cool lol

The forest eats your terrain

[queen laurel]

also try telling that to this guy

[arctic talon]

he will vanish

just like the rest

none survive

[queen laurel]

said the villain of the week

[outer wave]

Maybe the sylvaneth should be nicer.....

[arctic talon]

Maybe the stupid cities shouldn't horribly pollute the swamp

[storm jungle]

me when ultra plot armor

NEXT

[arctic talon]

the sylvaneth are only hostile to greywater fastness bcs of how much of a polluted shithole

they managed to make the surrounding marshes lol

now hand over the city

[queen laurel]

they're usually isolationist yeah?

[outer wave]

I imagine these guys are isolationists

[arctic talon]

well

The Sylvaneth? it depends

these ones were friendly

until they swamp became uber polluted