40k-lore-chat

[outer wave]

Finally, the crusades become peak

[storm jungle]

LMAO

ON CUE

[late osprey]

Gaunt's Ghosts caused a riot when they used the Half Life 2 crossbows to kill chaos marines

[storm jungle]

Mmmm

burnt up crossbow rods

https://tenor.com/view/fire-cool-shoot-woah-sparks-gif-15140625

[zenith remnant]

High velocity superheated rebar

[late osprey]

Spacebattles specifically had a field day with "Lol space marines die to medieval crossbows" conclusion

Fascinating stuff

[near wasp]

I mean armor piercing tank shells are basically a huge crossbow bolt

They are the same shape

[late osprey]

I mean the context of it all is very reasonable, but like a game of telephone the masses just read "IN GG THEY KILL MARINES WITH MEDIEVAL WEAPONS"

[sly ivy]

🤝

[late osprey]

And chaos ensued

[outer wave]

On a tangent, what the fuck is going on with Midwinter Minis?

[storm jungle]

Uh

its a experiment to see what youtube advertises

aka mostly negative content

[outer wave]

Oh, deadass?

[storm jungle]

the funny part is someone posted that 2nd video here and they were like "what is that dumbass chud up to now"

(he regularly bitches about how his wife left him while painting minis on videos LMAO)

[near wasp]

It's working xD

That's because he wouldn't paint with her

[outer wave]

Oh right, the woman he decided to marry and ditched his former fiancee for?

[zenith remnant]

I mean, I could tell you that Youtube prefers negative content. The human brain does

[dapper gyro]

Fall in the line with the rest of 40K nerds...

[storm jungle]

I think so

either way like its entirely his fault

[outer wave]

Yeaaaaaaah

[vagrant fox]

Didn't he cheat on his wife

[storm jungle]

YEAH

LMFAO

NOW I REMEMBER

god

[outer wave]

From what I understood, he was going to marry someone, but then had a thing with an intern and married her instead?

[zenith remnant]

Is this 40k lore or 40yo lore?

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[outer wave]

Its general chat but cooler

[vagrant fox]

close enough to both lore

[outer wave]

^

[near wasp]

We get off topic so often but it's cool because we bribe dilara

[outer wave]

Also its fun to have Dilara join our discussions

[near wasp]

Only mod brave enough to venture down here

[zenith remnant]

Anyway, lunch over. Back to lurking, prolly.

[outer wave]

Alrighty, see ya

[dapper gyro]

Sometimes being an angry old hang, sometimes the lore mommy.

[winter vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-hag-fuzz-hot-fuzz-gif-26493767 you mean?

[near wasp]

It's been nice knowing the two of you

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[vital ginkgo]

In space marine chapters that claim to not believe in the emperor's divinity like the ultramarines do they tolerate individuals within their chapter to believe he is a god?

[storm jungle]

What in the-

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much.

Its a fraternity/monk group

its generally considered "harmless"

[vital ginkgo]

Ah okay

[storm jungle]

Yeah it would be the opposite if its a Chapter that believes in the Emperor's divinity but you are being non-religious about it

it would be considered sussy and chaplain-bonk worthy or prob worse depending on the Chapter

[vital ginkgo]

That makes sense lol

[near wasp]

If your a baseline human you belief the emperor's a god

That's a fact

[vital ginkgo]

Does anyone know of more chapters besides the black templars that follow the ecclesiarchy?

[near wasp]

Red scorpions

Grey knights

The caradadons I think since they are seen praying

[storm jungle]

Theres quite a few its just hard to name them all since its very varied

[near wasp]

There may also be squads or individuals in any given chapter that worship big e

[vital ginkgo]

Thank you

[dapper gyro]

I'm an insane person, don't think to much about it.

Most chapters with templar in name.

Some other notable examples are the Fire Hawk, which later became the Legion of the Damned.

[arctic talon]

mfw the reclusiarch of the Black Templars does not think Big E is a god

how do you think he hid it that long

as a fucking chaplain lol

[near wasp]

Grimaldus doesn't fucking believe

Excuse me

[arctic talon]

yes explicitly

"The Emperor was immortal and mighty beyond reckoning. But he was no god. Mankind - on its blessed ignorance - worshipped him as one."

Grimaldus is a fucking weirdo

among his chapter, but he's Reclusiarch so......................

[near wasp]

Who and why was he made reclusairch

[arctic talon]

whos going to tell him no at this point

[near wasp]

Jfc

[arctic talon]

Helbrecht and the previous Reclusiarch had ordered it when the previous reclusiarch died

the previous Reclusiarch favored Grimaldus

while Helbrecht went with the flow and picked him

Grimaldus did not want this role lol

[near wasp]

God damn

[arctic talon]

Also anyone he told his whole "the emperor isn't a god" to thing

died

[near wasp]

Oh

[arctic talon]

so his secret is safe, its also not like he doesn't worship the emperor, he just doesn't think he's a God

which is a whole other can of worms

[near wasp]

I need to read helsreach

[arctic talon]

doesn't think the emperor is a god btw

lol

funny as hell

[near wasp]

But RN I'm between series waiting to get silent king and void exile. I think I'm probably gonna read oath of damned but honestly I could read helsreach I'm just not sure if I can handle black templar's rn

Cause tbh I do not like them very much

[arctic talon]

if you do not like black templars I am unsure how much you will enjoy Helsreach

it is very BTy

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/have-you-ever-condidered-piracy-gif-10055735

[near wasp]

No

Because I'm not an elder Corsair

[forest orbit]

Helsreach is good but its very "fine" for me

I like the plot in it but its literally just

marines go to place

marines have nice moments with humans

heroic last stand

everyone but the named dude dies

big spoilers wow I know

[arctic talon]

Grimaldus also is kind of

hilarious ngl

[forest orbit]

Yeah lol

[arctic talon]

he's so fucking angry

24/7

[forest orbit]

Id suggest reading more excerpts from it more than anything else.

[tough haven]

Every marine book

[forest orbit]

Its also a very old book

[near wasp]

It's ok I watched the movie

[tough haven]

Why i dont read marines

[arctic talon]

well

Helsreach is very generic

its just good bcs Grimaldus is good imo

excellent disection of like, the brain of a marine lol

[near wasp]

Could also read soul hunter or master of mankind, or our martyrd lady

[storm jungle]

Hmm

I suggest either Master of Memekind or Soulhutner

[near wasp]

I have space wolf books but I'm waiting till I finish space sharks and dawn of fire

[storm jungle]

both very good books

id say just spin a wheel lol

[late osprey]

The Helsreach animation is very well-made for an adaptation, too

[storm jungle]

Yeah its all SFM

even if the filter hurts my eyes

SO MUCH

[near wasp]

Yeahhh

[storm jungle]

and its for budgetary reasons to hide details but man lol

[near wasp]

What's master of mankind about

[late osprey]

the filter's very extreme, but yeah i understand it when it's because it uses SFM

and its also pre-Joazzz models so they're pretty low quality too

[sour hornet]

warhammer fans when confronted with actually reading warhammer

[tough haven]

The master of mankind

[near wasp]

Ok yeah but there's a lot he does

[tough haven]

Mostly him mastering mankind

(not really)

he never really gets a grasp on it

spoiler

[near wasp]

So like unification wars? Or like great crusade

[tough haven]

Horus heresy

book 41 in the series, in fact

[storm jungle]

Okay so its AI but its also a very good synopsis

[near wasp]

Thank you

[storm jungle]

Lol no problem

[near wasp]

All you had to say was webway war

[storm jungle]

LOL

yeah its a good part of the book

[tough haven]

ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/canddy-gif-27354515

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

this AI search function is great when it isnt actually harmful misinformation

[tough haven]

Too bad its that 90% of the time

[near wasp]

It's gotten better

It used to be so much worse

[storm jungle]

^

but yeah as a person that has read the book that synopsis is very apt

[near wasp]

Anyways soul hunter is about Talos right?

[storm jungle]

Yeah it is

its the first book in the series

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Night_Lords_(Novel_Series)

"Soul Hunter," the first novel in the Night Lords trilogy by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, follows a warband of Night Lords Space Marines, led by the enigmatic Talos, as they navigate the grimdark universe of Warhammer 40,000. The story explores their struggles for survival and vengeance against the Imperium, while also delving into the complex and conflicted nature of the Night Lords, who are torn between their loyalty to their fallen Primarch, Konrad Curze, and the allure of Chaos.

[near wasp]

Alright

I listed out all the books to a buddy of mine whos deepest knowledge of 40k is watching a few shorts and videos about it too choose. Listed out all the names and he chose oaths of damnation

[tough haven]

Didnt think Curze was still alive?

[near wasp]

You can be loyal to a deadman

[tough haven]

Or are these older

[near wasp]

He's dead af

[vagrant fox]

Kurze is alive the jewel in his crown was a soulstone and the ynnari are going to resurrect his body

[zenith remnant]

Kurze is very dead. And was a dumb, self-defeating sadomasochist who failed at everything.

[tough haven]

Like most chaos characters

[zenith remnant]

There are well-written Chaos characters. Kurze is one of them. He is a well written complete failure of a person

[dapper gyro]

Curze is indecisive. He is torn between being loyal and freedom. He welcomed his own end.

[zenith remnant]

In a way, he was very correct to do so. His head was his biggest problem, and he wanted it removed.

[crystal forum]

kurze is a theater kid who missed his calling and was forced into becoming a primarch

[vagrant fox]

If only wet, pathetic little noodly Angron was dead

[zenith remnant]

But I will give him a single, solitary point for also just not counting himself exempt from his own idea of justice.

[dapper gyro]

It doesn't have that for most of his early life, his visons were accurate and he had little to no medium to break out of it, hence he believed that his vision can't be changed.

[crystal forum]

his idea of justice is literally drama play level

like socrates killing himself to prove a point

[dapper gyro]

When he realized that his visions were possibilities and not settled, well, it was too late to change.

[zenith remnant]

Even his first captain was able to poke holes in his reasoning

[storm jungle]

He flays a girl alive for trying to commit suicide so that checks out lol

[storm jungle]

His concept and ideals.

[crystal forum]

i like how the NL trilogy shows how ridiculous his demands were and how he completely failed his legion

[zenith remnant]

"It was the only way"

"What other way did you try? Why didn't all your bros who uplifted their worlds not have to do any of this?"

[crystal forum]

kurze knew how fucked his legion was and decided to kill himself instead of doing anything about it

[storm jungle]

mood honestly

who wants to bother with that shit

[crystal forum]

almost every traitor legion has the abusive dad

[zenith remnant]

A legion of petty bitches from the king petty bitch, and I say that as an Iron Warriors simp

[crystal forum]

as an iron hands stan, i prefer no primarch over a bad one

i will claim you sigsen

[dapper gyro]

RG has very bad time between primarch and the initial terran troops, but you see, with proper treatment, despite from an introvert like Corax, they sorted it out rather peacefully.

[zenith remnant]

I still love that Perturabo quit the Siege if Terra while he and everyone else was convinced his side was going to win just because every other Legion and their Primarchs had gone so far off the rails that he hated them even more than the Emperor and the Loyalists.

Well that and they were slaughtering themselves by telling him to take his plans and shove em up his ass and then doing random shit.

[crystal forum]

perturabo is relatable even if he's evil

[zenith remnant]

Correct. He's the epitome of overworked, underpaid, and done with this shit.

Also Iron Warriors trick daemons into daemon engines just so they can force them to go play Find the Minefield

And I think that's hilarious

[tough haven]

Is he still alive?

[storm jungle]

Yeah he is.

[tough haven]

You never see the undivided primarchs anymore

[storm jungle]

No traitor primarch is dead minus like Horus and one of the Alpharius twins.

[storm jungle]

Iron Warriors dont have their own unique god on tabletop

or their own army list

so they arent worthy of note to them

[crystal forum]

you mean he just became another astartes

[storm jungle]

nah hes a daemon prince

[raven stone]

Also Perturabo felt even more disrespected when Horus was all “dude break up your legion and parcel them out to help other traitors assault the walls”

[crystal forum]

the brother i mean

[tough haven]

Yeah but undivided is honestly really interesting cause theres a bunch of freedom of creativity there

[storm jungle]

We dont really know.

[near wasp]

Kurze too we just mentioned how he dead af

[storm jungle]

Ngl

hes so forgettable that i legit just let him slip my mind

lol

[near wasp]

Lol

[storm jungle]

just like his legion

[crystal forum]

aint NO way that alpharius dies it's the alpha legion

[zenith remnant]

Perturabo? Yeah, and he's supposedly a daemon prince now, which I don't think fits with his HH lore, but I wanna see a Primarch-scale Obliterator

[storm jungle]

got nothing to their name but a almost 2 decade old book series

[tough haven]

I mean his legion is kinda funny, its just batman but if he had no morals

[storm jungle]

Hes a daemon prince fully, and hes always been a hypocrite, it fits him.

[near wasp]

They show up frequently in other people's books

[dapper gyro]

Dilara will never talk of introvert primarches....

[raven stone]

I mean with the Forge Demon,..character,,,being a thing now, I can see that happening.

Forgot his name

[storm jungle]

Vashtorr

[near wasp]

Vashhtor

[crystal forum]

slaanesh

[storm jungle]

he regularly makes deals with him

[zenith remnant]

Vashtorr the Arkifane

[raven stone]

There we go

[zenith remnant]

Vashtorr's one of the best additions to Chaos period

[crystal forum]

i like saying random names to confuse people

[near wasp]

Vashhtor and perty do not get along though

[zenith remnant]

Anything to do with Obliterators is great by me

[storm jungle]

Well they kinda do

but its a business relationship

[raven stone]

I mean if that ONE picture from Horus Heresy means anything, GW looks set to expand to full 8 gods of Chaos

Instead of just the current 4

[storm jungle]

Vashtorr doesnt lie and tells you straight up how his deal is gonna hurt you if you want to agree to it

[near wasp]

Yeah it's very transactional

[crystal forum]

i get 1000 demon engines

you get the key to the 40k plot

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

how many of the super treasures does he own now

[storm jungle]

him not lying and still fucking you over while you 100% know this is the most realistic part ngl

its like dumbasses that go to casinos

[crystal forum]

will he finally unlock the 40k killer

wasn't he looking for a vault

[storm jungle]

Yeah in the webway

we'll return to that plotpoint in a few years

[crystal forum]

another plot device that will go nowhere

[storm jungle]

accurate

[near wasp]

*decades

[storm jungle]

cant wait for the mcguffin to do jackshit

[crystal forum]

the macguffin to kill all macguffin

still not as powerful as some random device that necrons have mentioned in a short story

[near wasp]

Just like how that anathama isn't gonna do shit either

[crystal forum]

the one that killed horus?

[near wasp]

Yes!

[crystal forum]

idk what more it can do

it's literally meant to kill horus

he's the key word activation

[near wasp]

Brother it got remade in the current 40k

[crystal forum]

huh?

you sure it's not another anathema

there were multiple afaik

it was a whole technology

[near wasp]

The shards of the one that Erebus broke got regathered and forged into a blade dubbed color

[storm jungle]

dont forget Narek's incident

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[crystal forum]

what kind of emoji is that

that's a microimage

[storm jungle]

:)

[near wasp]

I don't blame anybody for not knowing about it given it's a fucking dawn of fire plotline

[crystal forum]

they has to reuse the same one that nearly killed horus instead of another anathema they found

the sword that is literally only meant to kill a primarch who has died

[near wasp]

Pretty sure the one that killed Horus was the only one left

[crystal forum]

or they needed a less powerful 40k era anathema

[near wasp]

Idk how strong it is

It might be the same power

[crystal forum]

it doesn't even get used?

[near wasp]

Not yet

[crystal forum]

who is it meant to kill

[near wasp]

We don't know yet

Probably gulliman

[umbral grotto]

[crystal forum]

there will literally be a point in time where not a single item referenced in the first HH trilogy is not slandered by 40k

[tough haven]

Good

80% of HH content can be safely ingored and not matter at all

probably closer to 90%

[arctic talon]

More like 95%

lol

almost nothing in the novels is important

the most important lore to modern 40k is in the black books

mostly organizational or very dry lore

The Rulebooks for Heresy are far more important lore wise

as is almost always the case for warhammer

[vagrant fox]

Each mcguffin in 40k can at most cost tree fiddy from how many there are

Panacea that can cure everything stolen by the Dark Eldar who probably didn't need it just for laughs
Engine that can make any thought or wish real used to what again, make a second Comorragh or something

[storm jungle]

Yeah it worns on the consensus most 40k stories do

aka just make up shit for a story, doesnt matter as long as its a fun read

[vagrant fox]

Yea it's fine. I don't have any numbers but it feels like it happens a few times too often is all

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[opaque coyote]

Imagine they just continually prank one serf

And the serf is just annoyed

heavy armored breathing

serf grumbles knowing that he's right behind him

[tough haven]

Eg. infinite and the divine

But it works really well there

[simple sparrow]

Are there still some moebian 6th members that are alive and fighting nurgle?

I mean that didn't follow wolfer

[storm jungle]

They're all dead as per the Martyr Skulls

[simple sparrow]

Oh I thought there were definitely some still alive

[storm jungle]

😔

[crystal forum]

with the magic of homebrew you can still have some

[opaque coyote]

With the magic of homebrew

you can make anything more interesting!

Just mix it with your product and boom!

explosion killed 10 people

[humble shoal]

THATS THE POINT, THEY DO

[chilly prism]

So, I need some info

First person to answer gets the satisfaction of satisfying my curiosity

The Zealot class

When you channel that idol, it is emitting some sort of "holy" looking energy. Now, afaik, there isn't some form of holy light in the 40k verse. Not something like they have in say, World of Warcraft or whatever.

What could the energy/light being emitted from the idol be then? Is it some kind of device that stores warp energy and emitting it? Or is there some other form of energy that is somehow only dangerous to Chaos-tainted beings?

[queen laurel]

what do you mean faith is an actual thing

[chilly prism]

It looks different from the warp energy the Psyker uses

[queen laurel]

in 40k faith is an actual power

[chilly prism]

Wait what

[queen laurel]

to the emperor it's a thing

[chilly prism]

I thought it was all just psyker/psychic based stuff channeling warp energy

[queen laurel]

There are powers outside of that in 40K

[chilly prism]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo WHAT

[queen laurel]

Belief is a tangible thing in 40K and since many people believe in the emperor he can give powers

[queen laurel]

you know about the sisters of battle?

[chilly prism]

I've only heard of them. I don't really know about them outside of mentions of the repentia thing and Argenta

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/B9V0bOB8sXQ?t=74

you see how that wound healed?

That's what having faith powers is like in 40K

[chilly prism]

So

What is that energy then? Like, where does it come from? They have faith in the Emperor. Is just believing he will save you enough to tap into some dimension of energy only accessible to those worshipping him? Or does he somehow feel those with strong faith and skill trying to tap in and he diverts it to them?

[queen laurel]

Belief

Literally faith

[chilly prism]

So could faith in anything do the same

[queen laurel]

what

[chilly prism]

Why does having faith in the Emperor grant them those holy like powers? Why not faith in some other being?

[queen laurel]

......

do you know about the chaos gods

[chilly prism]

He's not considered a God yet right?

[queen laurel]

He's getting closer to 1 with the amount of people worshipping him

[chilly prism]

In the grand scheme of the verse, not to the people of the imperium

[shadow plover]

faith is psychic in nature as well

[chilly prism]

Yeah, I know about the chaos gods. ALl their followers access power from them via weird warp energy right

AHhhhhh, so it's psychic powers manifesting as shining holy light?

[arctic talon]

It could be faith magic or it could be just the funny thing having an actual field built in to produce that aura

[queen laurel]

It's not psychic powers in that way think of it as like faith magic bestowed to by a deity

the psychic powers are naturally born to people and they can access anytime

[arctic talon]

It is still psychic phenomena

but its not a psychic power projected from a person

[queen laurel]

it's a psychic phenomena but by the way it works it's a bit different yeah

[chilly prism]

Alright. It was confusing to just have one random person (Zealot) channeling an idol emitting white holy energy and not having seen it anywhere before. So I wasn't sure how it worked or if it was just some gameplay thing

Besides that trailer you sent, I hadn't seen another example.

Even some of the psyker stuff was different from what I thought. Like that white fire

[arctic talon]

the zealot might just be using tech

is the funniest thing

And is pretending its faith

there's a lot of pieces of tech like that in the imperium

[queen laurel]

Living saints

[chilly prism]

That's the other thing I was wondering about. How those worked.

[arctic talon]

Well

celestine is like an inverted daemon prince

[chilly prism]

I just assumed they had crazy strong psyker powers or something

[arctic talon]

a human charged with a bunch of warp energy

Celestine is essentially ap syker now

lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah basically an ascended person that uses the faith version of the psychic energy of the work produced by people worshipping of the emperor

[chilly prism]

and the powers manifested like how the psykers in game can turn the warp energy into lightning or a shield or white fire

[arctic talon]

To an extent yes

though Living Saints cannot suffer from Perils of the warp

They do however feel "sick"

once the warp is gone

or stilled

[chilly prism]

Are the strong space marine type psykers the same way?

[arctic talon]

no

Space marine psykers are just psykers

they can still jsut explode

because Perils of the warp

[chilly prism]

Then how are saints "immune"

[arctic talon]

though exploding is one of the least awful ways to go

Saints are like daemons

if that makes sense

living saints rather

Celestine is most comparable

to a daemon prince

[queen laurel]

It's because of their nature of being connected to the warp

[chilly prism]

So, some humans can become that way then?

[arctic talon]

well

[chilly prism]

Very rare

[arctic talon]

The emperor does it

but yes

[queen laurel]

since it literally flows in their very being

[arctic talon]

its essentialyl becoming a daemon

though Living saints are more flesh then warp energy

while daemon princes are the other way around

where there's like 0 flesh left

and its mostly warp energy

[chilly prism]

So daemons would be being formed within the warp, existing as warp energy and aren't strong enough to leave on their own or stay in the material realm very long, but a "living saint", being someone who was maybe a strong psyker and of the material plane somehow evolved into this "saint" and because of their initial existence/connection, can stay out here?

I don't have any book knowledge, just random bits i've seen others talk about but never elaborated on. It was the zealot that got me thinking of specifics of the powers

[arctic talon]

Well living saints need to die first

for the emperor to revive and infuse them

[chilly prism]

Were they "created" after the emperor died at all? Or are there a set number existing in the verse currently

[queen laurel]

Set numbers in 40K don't mean Jack shit

[arctic talon]

the emperor makes them on the spot

when someone dies

[chilly prism]

Well, I mean more are they able to be created since the emprah is "dead"/reforming or were there like 5 made before he died and that's it until he forms again

[shadow plover]

none were really created (besides a couple) back when he was still walking about

all that are active in the current 40k have been created in the past 1000 years probably

[chilly prism]

Okay, so that's gotta mean big E is still pretty coherent then

[shadow plover]

eehh

[chilly prism]

Unless turning people into saints is kind of a automatic process

[arctic talon]

The emperor is not coherent

well

for someone whos brain is shattered

[shadow plover]

he's an omnipotent being who is not doing so good

[arctic talon]

into trillions of pieces

they're coherent

Omnipotent is wrong as well tbh

[shadow plover]

It's not far really

[chilly prism]

Yeah like, not just a bunch of pieces of energy. if he's keeping all these warp ships or whatever guided and can somehow pick people to become these saints, i'd imagine he's at least in some kind of partial, dream like state

Like maybe his vision is constantly blacking out, he's seeing bits and pieces of the imperium all over where his soul is fragmented or some shit.

[arctic talon]

Well the astronomicon isn't directed by him directly

its like a lighthouse

he's just the battery

[chilly prism]

Ohhhhh

I was imagining when someone said his soul was shattered, that it was all over the warp/universe. He had some sorta core part that was the first few pieces that drifted back together and from there he was kinda "daisy chaining" his little bit of consciousness through all these fragments to take a look around the imperium and would use the various pieces to like, pump energy into to guide the ships. but that it was more of an automatic thing

[arctic talon]

Yeah

well its not automatic, he needs to think ah yes me put my energy here

[chilly prism]

Okay cool.

I kinda find that part really interesting.

[arctic talon]

but the majority of his energy is taken up keeping the giant hole into the warp shut

which was the webway project

[chilly prism]

I could read a whole book about him piecing himself together and there'd be sporadic thoughts of his impression of the empire or something

[shadow plover]

in the recent timeline we've seen him in a slightly more active role but still very much incoherent

he has 'talked' to Guilliman for example

[chilly prism]

Is that the giant rift splitting human space? or the thing to do with the portal where the chair is or something

[shadow plover]

an uh, possessed him

[chilly prism]

this sounds interesting

[shadow plover]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/pfjda8/excerpt_dark_imperium_godblight_guilliman_talks/

[arctic talon]

nah, just a giant hole under the imperial palace

magnus opened it by accident

now the emperor needs to keep it sht

shut

[chilly prism]

That was supposed to be part of the emperor making his own version of that eldar webway, so they didn't have to deal with the warp right?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[radiant lance]

So, why can't the imperium just fly above the great rift
It surely can't be a giant disk splitting the galaxy in two

We live in three dimensions apparently

[shadow plover]

you probably could but there are no save harbours doing so

it's just empty void

[chilly prism]

speaking of rift

is that mostly just affecting human controlled space

[radiant lance]

Like with all of the imperium's tech and shit, can't they just put a space marine base floating above a rift and make that a safe spot?

[arctic talon]

It goes up and down

It isn't actually flat

it is 3d

[radiant lance]

How do you wear saturnite armour?
Like where does the space marines feet go?

[languid meadow]

That's a dreadnaught

So like

They probably don't have legs

They're a meat Popsicle now

[radiant lance]

It's 25 feet tall apparently
The head does not look to scale

[languid meadow]

Saturnine armour scaling is ass

[shadow plover]

also dreadnought heads are not the person's head who's operating the dread

it's just an array of sensors etc to 'ground' the operator better to the environment they're in

[arctic talon]

the head is not the marines head

[crisp heath]

What guns are those

I'm assuming some sort of melta

[storm jungle]

the right one is a grav-cannon i think?

the left i forgot the name of lol

[crisp heath]

[arctic talon]

Some super Grav cannon I forgot the name of. eradication beamer/inversion beamer

[fast merlin]

Extremely rough draft of some fan lore im making for the Moebian 155th Armoured Regiment

The sound of the main canon firing on a Leman Russ is a rather booming sight to behold, the earth shakes and trembles under her majesty. But to her crewmen, its just another day, as is such for the Moebian 155th “Steel Crawlers”, for them, another shot is the celebration of a slow grind to victory, their reputation was that of legend amongst Armoured Regiments far and wide for their unbelievably low casualty rate to victory ratio. Beasts of metal stalk the Moebian domain during the Fringe War, always coming home with little to no less of what they deployed with, their captain, Captain Maxine Payne has and always will credit the God Emperor for their ability to keep together constantly and for their many years of service to Him on Terra. Although Admittedly the Captain keeps to herself regularly to keep a log of the ammunition used, the men lost and the damage to her Regiment’s beloved war-machines.

@gloomy lodge

Thought youd like to see

[fast merlin]

“Its no wonder why she does so” said Lieutenant Smitheriner, sipping down his water ration “i mean, she is so particular-!” Sergeant Raggathar interrupted his superior “yeah well she takes care of us and keeps us alive yeah? Kind of hard to do without calculating the battle yeah?” The Sergeant then took a sip of his water Ration and smirked to himself, thinking he won. “No plans make it during combat!, you know this true Alan!” Said the Lieutenant, now patting the sergeant on his shoulder pad “besides, we got this, “Valor and Pride”” Smitheriner now smiled at the sergeant “you’re right sir, we do have eachother during combat, lets get a move on for the rest of the crew yeah?” The sergeant chugged his water ration down and reached for his helmet, slipping it on his head and fastening the chin strap. The Lieutenant followed behind, adjusting his leather skull cap and his headset, he had already begun to bark orders into the mouthpiece, ordering the crews to start up their tanks and to deconstruct the Hand made camp to set off on a 14 mile crawl through the jungles of Messelina Gloriana.

[tough haven]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DDd-yb5N53U?si=8egPrzmTcXuXHtwL

Real

[dapper gyro]

Repentia is one of the best unit of the SoB.

So if you want to make a good Sob list, you have to give up some of your soul.

[queen laurel]

what soul?

you gave that up when you picked up warhammer

[sly ivy]

Have you bitten the bullet & started to collect the toys yet? Pro tip the 30k auxilia leman Russ is way cooler than the 40K

You can stick sponsons on it from the 40K kit or from Etsy

[ornate estuary]

The marine is inside a life support coffin. Lol there's plenty of room for that. Especially if they got Lt Dan'd

[broken needle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-bongo-bungo-bingo-warhammer-gif-13148443935973482446

[sly ivy]

Based

[drifting cloud]

Does anyone know of any good Warhammer 40k or Darktide centered role-playing servers?

I'm a writer and I haven't had a good rp in years

[sly ivy]

Ya here on 40K-lore-chat I pretend 2 b a worthwhile human being

[vagrant fox]

You can try Ordo Discordia, there's ttrpg games posted fairly regularly

[celest dome]

You do ? Damn that's some severe skill issues on your part

[raven stone]

I can feel the burn all the way over here

[queen laurel]

even the flames of Tzeentch can not match the heat of this

[radiant lance]

Discuss

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Combi-weapon

All of the combi bolt gun + plasma are so bad

Like why is the magazine going into the plasma part

[celest dome]

Not current in lore iirc

[radiant lance]

Is it a giant straight line up to the actual bolt gun?

[radiant lance]

I hope not. It's atrocious. The bullpup design is literally not even aligned with the barrel lmao

[arctic talon]

Not how it’s designed it got retcon’d lol

[radiant lance]

Early lore is so bad

[arctic talon]

Tbf

This is just an artist fucking up

It’s meant to just be a normal bullpup

But the mini was sculpted to have that gap bcs the technology wasn’t there back then

But the actual intent was for it to be a normal bullpup

Lol

[radiant lance]

Even other plasma bolter designs are just nonsensical

The actual models actually put the bolter on the bottom for the mag to actually go into the right place and not have this nonsensical magazine shape

Or a magazine just going through the coils of a plasma gun

[arctic talon]

This one is fine lol

[arctic talon]

tbf this one is fine design wise

its literally a bolter strapped

to a plasma gun lol

like they're side by side

[radiant lance]

Yeah a lot are bad though

[arctic talon]

in art yeah

not sure why they put the plasma gun on the bottom in art so much lol

[zenith remnant]

Only if you shoot lefthanded

[arctic talon]

Good thing Azreal shoots left handed lol

It’s his personal gun so it’s designed for him

[zenith remnant]

That makes reloading awkward

Then again, I guess he has flying baby meat to do that for him

[arctic talon]

Tbh

He might just hand it to his watcher lol

He’s always got a watcher of the dark following him around

[queen laurel]

wolf question about chaos marines

Physically speaking you know just disregarding the mutations and all that

They are first born right?

like the creation process and recruitment and stuff

[zenith remnant]

Almost entirely. Though by now, it wouldn't surprise me if we start seeing Chaos Primaris

[winged jacinth]

I love watchers
Unknowable mystery creatures who hold countless secrets
They will also do random chores

[zenith remnant]

Just from converts

[winged jacinth]

Considering they steal geneseed too yeah

I imagine what's happening is ||games workshop is hard at work designing the molds and we'll see primaris csm when they're done|| lol

[zenith remnant]

It's the tech for the Rubicon and the Primaris organs they largely lack, and I'm sure loyalists have orders to vaporize that stuff the second they're at risk of capture

[winged jacinth]

Well bile had a whole ass fulgrim for a while iirc

[arctic talon]

almost all of them

there's a few chaos primaris now via falling and such

but the vast majority are firstborn

and will always be firstborn

[storm jungle]

My assumption is chaos primaris will be some new minor unit

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

no CSM fan wants primaris in their soup

[winged jacinth]

Marines have always zealously protected their geneseed anyway

[arctic talon]

it won't be an army wide change

[storm jungle]

^

it would be lame

[arctic talon]

some want them in their soup

lol

But not like

[storm jungle]

"some"

[arctic talon]

to replace the soup

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

there's some

not going to say they're not weird

lol

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027699335632269379/1337892860741161153/1027716679817502781.webp

[arctic talon]

Arks of Omen Angron has a bunch of primaris fall to khorne

though ultimately a drop

in the bucket

[queen laurel]

yeah but they balance out being first born by again mutations and chaos shenanigans

[winged jacinth]

Being all chaosy gives you tons of avenues for enhanced marines analagous to primaris anyway

[arctic talon]

yeah

Chosen time

[winged jacinth]

I could see you being able to take like a chaos primaris warband unit as part of your army

[arctic talon]

also looting primaris gear happens

which is funny

[winged jacinth]

Its only like 410xx so not that much time for chapters to go rogue

[queen laurel]

I do expect some of them to want them in the soup as like seasonings

just something to spice it up

[arctic talon]

The new Noise marines are fun

I like their design so much

[winged jacinth]

Oh yeah those are great

I thought the old ones were goofy

[celest dome]

Guitar Noise Marine was peak though

[winged jacinth]

In a goofy way yeah lol

Have they put the mad max fury road guitar guy car in as a unit yet

[arctic talon]

I liked the somewhat serious rendition of the guitar noise marine

from that one art

[winged jacinth]

Give it to slaanesh or orks

Do orks have music

[arctic talon]

Prolly would be in Orkz as a Kult of Speed thing tbh

[winged jacinth]

If orks have music i hope its Rokk music

[winged jacinth]

Yeah between the mad max asthetic being orky and the huge jets of flame

[queen laurel]

Goff Rokker

[winged jacinth]

I forgot about the goff rokkers!

I forgot the goffs entirely

I cant help but think of My Immortal

the Goff's greatest enemy clan
the Prepz

[celest dome]

Tbh, i feel like Guitar Marine should be reshapped into a pseudo-Psyker, where his techniques/spells are melodies

[winged jacinth]

That would address one of the things i find funniest about guitar marine

Which is that the guitar doesnt appear to be a noise weapon its just got a bolter in it

I guess its cabled to like, back speakers

[celest dome]

Combi weapone thoughj

[winged jacinth]

Noise weapons usually have speaker grills to yell you to death with

Which again i guess are just on his back

But i like the idea its just a guntar for fun

You know i never thought about it but orks are full of og mad max dna aren't they, the timing lines up

[arctic talon]

Yep

[storm jungle]

The farts

[sly ivy]

He just like me fr

[outer wave]

Mortarion drank enough milk and cream just for this fight

[hallow saddle]

i hate guitaars for slaanesh sooooo much lol

obsessed by novelty
lets bust out our 40,000 year old musical instruments

[arctic talon]

I don't like them very much either

tbh

[hallow saddle]

it doesnt fit with the theme lol

it only works in a goofy retro way

when power chords were the most extreme thing people knew

[fast merlin]

Nah

[hallow saddle]

why bust out some power chords when you can manipulate sound in a much more direct way. how about 66 square waves layered over each other

its just way too retro

just like "what music would your noise marines play", then someone mentions a metal band or something

its like, no dude, they're listening to noise not just music

[late osprey]

i'd genuinely mald if this happened

"here's the new chaos marine unit: Chaos Marines but 1 foot taller!"

[storm jungle]

$$$

[late osprey]

it already took me a whole ass year to recover from the fact that chaos marines were gonna remain eternally firstborn (and thus unscaled the same way)

[hallow saddle]

the legionaries kit still looks great imo and theyre in decent proportions

[late osprey]

and that was only when they just magically re-scaled chaos marines to be primaris-size anyway

[hallow saddle]

so i dont think u gain as much with chaos as primaris did with loyalists

people still have to want to buy that shit

[mortal echo]

someone explain why a psyker cant kill a space marine

[storm jungle]

They can, as ever

[hallow saddle]

they 100% can lol

[late osprey]

if they do chaos primaris i legitimately would want them to replace the whole line

[mortal echo]

thank you.

[late osprey]

not just be "The Tall Lads Squad"

[hallow saddle]

ya, depends as always on what the story needs

[late osprey]

integration-era space marines was utterly ridiculous

"yea heroic scale marines and truescale marines just hang out together lmao"

[hallow saddle]

astartes - the marines pwn that psyker very quickly
secret level - the psyker pwns marines very quickly

[arctic talon]

psykers also tend to be nerfed down in games so

they're not completely fucking stupid

in both how they backfire and how they kill things lol

[raven stone]

Also even in universe

You have psykers of different power scales

Weak psykers can only do measly tricks that cannot harm a Marine

Strong one can probably telepathically rip a Marine in half

(And also assuming this Marine has no additional psychic protection, which is also a thing)

[celest dome]

telekinetically

Unless he is is ripping the mind of the SM

[sly ivy]

Strong psykers can rip reality in half

[arctic talon]

Tbf

[sly ivy]

And are probably utterly insane

[arctic talon]

They’re already tearing a hole in reality when they use their powers

[sly ivy]

Damn it I knew someone would akshully that

[sly ivy]

I’ma tear a hole in ur reality in a minute

[kind eagle]

What psyker grade do you all think the reject psyker from Darktide is?

[celest dome]

Between Wyrdwanes and Primaris, so probably Zeta-Epsilon

[sly ivy]

Ye

[sacred bluff]

do you think we'll get a darktide sequel with Khorne as the lead chaos god instead of nurgle

I hope and dream of it

or just give big expansion with them

i want enemies to run at me saying "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD"

[celest dome]

Darktide 2 isn't needed. Other tide could happen (ideally not before some other setting get stuff).
As for Khorne tide, we could in theory see a Khornate faction working here tbh

[kind eagle]

I would love other Chaos daemons appearing in Darktide since where one chaos god appears, the others surely follow.

[young pecan]

What's a reliable source to see all the grades of psykers

Because I have no idea what those words mean

[celest dome]

Lexicanum Assignment

There is also some fan art thing that Dilara could link, I don't have it personally

[celest dome]

Surely, no.
But can happen when certain agents want to do their own stuff, like Be'lakor

[kind eagle]

I am kind of new to 40K lore so I don't know if it is usual. But in the last Path of The Dark Eldar book they have a quote basically saying that whenever one of the dark gods starts doing stuff the others tend to also take advantage of the opportunity to pursue their own agendas.

Is that how it usually is in lore or not really?

[digital glacier]

It depends on the story the writers want to tell

You will probably realize quickly that Warhammer doesn't have a lot of hard rules, merely suggestions

[kind eagle]

Fair enough with how big it is

[storm jungle]

It gives authors and fans more ways to homebrew etc

[spare osprey]

?

[celest dome]

Ye that one

Ty

[young pecan]

Ohhh I saw that one before, forgor

I'm assuming our psykers in DT are low- or medium-end beta?

[celest dome]

Beta is Primaris Psyker level

[sly ivy]

Yes but also no. They tend to be territorial and a local domain like a hive city will often “belong” to one god

Or a planet or even a system

But yes in general once the veil is thinned and chaos is active somewhere the various powers will tend to trickle in

Chaos gods are a lot like LLMs. They’re not really sentient. They’re self-sustaining vortices of emotions and concepts

So they’ll follow emotional / psychological extremes in their sphere just by nature.

Or rather those extremes in human souls and the vortices that suck them up will mutually attract

And the veil will thin betwixt them

On a basic level there are in fact no gods in the warp. The chaos gods are us — our feelings, our thoughts.

Ours because humans are the most numerous sentient souls in the galaxy.

[sly ivy]

Their “training data” are human thoughts, human passions.

Their substance is souls. Their motive force is emotion.

[kind eagle]

So hypothetically if the situation in Atoma gets worse and the veil degrades, would the chaos gods fight over it or is it basically already Nurgle's? I am coping a bit since I think it would be fun for Tzeentch cult enemies to exist in game that fight both us and the normal enemies.

P.S. I do love the description of the chaos gods as LLMs.

[opaque coyote]

Fun fact

Xenomorphs hate other xenomorphs that are a different color from them

The mf HR Giger freaky ahh aliens can't escape racism

[arctic talon]

Nurgle seems to have staked a claim but the other chaos gods will try to get their own piece as well potentially

[opaque coyote]

What's even funnier is that apparently to the human eye they both look black

So if a human was there for whatever reason. They'd just see a bunch of aliens fighting each other

The red color is what they see

(and also for convenience)

[kind eagle]

All Xenos are the same in the eyes of mankind

[opaque coyote]

Nah you see

You see

You got to be accurately racist

To know exactly what slur you should use

[digital glacier]

Well, what's the proper slur?

[kind eagle]

The Imperium should invest in studying Xenos cultures, not for any tactical advantages. They should do it just to accurately call different Xenos species the correct slurs.

[sly ivy]

As far as seems the case, when one god gets a foothold, it tries to foster emotions that will feed it

In a positive feedback loop

[digital glacier]

I believe there is lore about Guardsmen who've been fighting Drukhari long enough to pick up some of their language

[sly ivy]

It’s NOT RACISM if it’s a different species, never mind an entirely different origin of life smdh.

The alien genocide thing otoh is alien racism lmao

That was quite the era in aliens lore. Sustained by dark horse comics

[kind eagle]

That's hilarious. Were the Drukhari suprised that they learned some of the language?

(also Drukhari my beloved 🥰 )

[digital glacier]

Sadly it doesn't say

But I'm sure they were, Eldar Gits always, always underestimate 'Umies

[radiant lance]

Remember:
Human rights don't apply if they're not human

[kind eagle]

Is it really underestimating if you know you are the best?

This post is brought to you by the tortured chair

[digital glacier]

Human rights don't apply if they're not human
FTFY

[radiant lance]

They especially don't apply if they're not human

[prime seal]

it's nurgles, hive cities have the nurgle stamp of approval

(never mind the fact that you physically cannot add slaneesh demons without having to censor them)

[kind eagle]

Slaneesh is overrated anyways, I want fucked up bird people.

Add the Tzaangors Fatshark or you are cowards

(It would be cool to fight genestealer cultists since they keep referencing them in dialogue)

[prime seal]

i don't see them putting any tzeentch stuff

[radiant lance]

Writing tzeentch is always a challenge

[prime seal]

nurgle made the most sense

[radiant lance]

Nurgle is just easy as shit

And probably khorne too

[prime seal]

khorne too had they gone with khorne to begin with

nurgle being involved makes a conflict difficult to develop inside a game like this

[kind eagle]

I feel like it would make a little bit of sense to have Tzeentch pop up just because he is antagonistic to Nurgle.

I don't know how you would add them to the game through.

[prime seal]

genestealer cults are the easiest to add

[radiant lance]

Nurgle always gets that guttural feeling that's great since everyone loves killing zombies and stuff

I'd imagine Khorne to just be a doom clone tbh

[kind eagle]

Also since Tzeentch enemies would probably be annoying as hell.

[fierce fiber]

Nurgle I feel like is amazing for a horde shooter

[radiant lance]

"they just show up"

[storm jungle]

The only correct take here

[prime seal]

yeah that doesnt sound like tzeentch

[storm jungle]

the other chaos gods are just not as interesting

[fierce fiber]

If you really wanted to do Khorne you couldnt really have stuff like snipers

[vagrant fox]

wrong

[radiant lance]

That's what he wants you to think

[digital glacier]

I want playable Genestealers!

[fierce fiber]

For this specific context yeah

[kind eagle]

Admonition was a Tzeentch cult the whole time pretending to be a nurgle cult or some other braindead scheme.

[storm jungle]

Yeah.

[prime seal]

that's what i know cause tzeentch lives in books, i live in reality

[storm jungle]

if you want tzeentch go play SM2

[prime seal]

me > his dumbass

[storm jungle]

50000 Tzaangollian Tzaangors

[radiant lance]

It's the ultimate ruse to make you think he's only fiction

[fierce fiber]

Siege mode in a nutshell

[prime seal]

the most interesting chaos god is unfortunately slaanesh

unfortunately because you cant do shit with him without getting an adult rating

[fierce fiber]

Fighting Khorne would just be fighting hordes of ragers

[prime seal]

yeah

[storm jungle]

it literally has nothing to do with rating

slaanesh is body horror hellraiser shit

[kind eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/tzeentch-my-beloved-tzeentch-my-beloved-gif-26809986

You would never guess who my favorite is...

[storm jungle]

nurgle just works better for games like this

[prime seal]

who said anything about this context

[prime seal]

?

[kind eagle]

But yeah nurgle is the only one who makes since in this game

[storm jungle]

We are, right now

[prime seal]

can i even post slaanesh art without getting banned?

[storm jungle]

What "?" do you not know Slaanesh aesthetics?

I mean

[fierce fiber]

Slaanesh also has an implicitely sexual side

[storm jungle]

are you gonna post porn lol

[prime seal]

?

yes?

[storm jungle]

huh?

LMAO

[prime seal]

he's the literal god of excess

[storm jungle]

Okay?

[fierce fiber]

So it would be possible

[storm jungle]

excess isnt sex

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/rouxls-kaart-deltarune-wink-blackandwhite-gif-12940908

[fierce fiber]

I mean it can be

[languid meadow]

I can be anything

[storm jungle]

Sex is like 000.1% of it

[prime seal]

what caused the fall of the aeldar?

[storm jungle]

Eldar murdering each other

and fucked up rituals

not sex lol

[prime seal]

yeah

[storm jungle]

i swear to god

[prime seal]

lmfao

what?

[storm jungle]

Have you like

[prime seal]

why do you think they're the most associated with slaanesh?

[storm jungle]

read a book regarding what their Fall was actually like, and not "murderfuck" internet memes

[storm jungle]

They arent...?

what

[radiant lance]

Slaanesh ritual

[prime seal]

???

aite ragebait

[fierce fiber]

Sex was a part of it, just really fucked up sex that included a lot of other things

[storm jungle]

?

[kind eagle]

True excess tbh

[storm jungle]

what ragebait

[storm jungle]

It barely kinda is

Slaanesh is body horror first and foremost

[radiant lance]

It's mostly not sex
It's a ton of other shit like turning people into instruments

[prime seal]

i dont even need

to cite a book

"hedonism"

[kind eagle]

Hedonism is not just sex

[fierce fiber]

But yeah I agree the murderfucking part is very much exagerated, but its only a part of it

[outer wave]

AI summary

[prime seal]

yeah they were klling eachother

[tough haven]

Sex is probably horribly boring to slaneeshi folks

[storm jungle]

Hedonism isnt sex

[fierce fiber]

Normal sex yeah

[storm jungle]

hedonism is partaking way too much in shit you enjoy

[prime seal]

not normal sex

[outer wave]

^

[storm jungle]

oh my god

[outer wave]

To Dilara

[fierce fiber]

Sex was a part of it, just not by itself.

[tough haven]

Just sex is so one dimensional and boring to an otherwise nuanced and interesting chaos god

[prime seal]

it blocked me from saying it

[outer wave]

Hedonism is enjoying expensive, high luxury foods for the weird specific texture a 200 dollar meal has

[sacred ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[storm jungle]

Excess is also just searching constantly for new pleasures

[storm jungle]

^

its why a lot of slaanesh art is just torture/people being ripped apart

[tough haven]

Eventually you run out of kinks

[storm jungle]

or piercings, flesh warping, etc

[outer wave]

Hedonism is buying paintings that have a weird artstyle

[tough haven]

Especially after you’ve lived for 6000 years

[radiant lance]

Read the circles of slaanesh
99% of it isn't sex
I don't think there's even a ring for sex

[storm jungle]

Hedonism is just enjoying stuff way too much to the point that its harmful to you or other people

[sacred ginkgo]

Harp daemon

[fierce fiber]

Like sex had a part in it yeah, but a minor one.

[outer wave]

Me when I hedonism too much

[storm jungle]

Also "pleasure" itself is like a very big rabbithole, people get sensation from a lot of things.

[kind eagle]

Excess can be dedicating your entire life to painting a the perfect piece while fixating on every single fiber of the painting being correct

[fierce fiber]

I think that's the best way to put it. It wasnt sex, but pleasure in general.

[kind eagle]

It can also be sex and drugs, but it can be practially anything which makes Slaneesh interesting

[fierce fiber]

Which does include sex as well as many many other things

[outer wave]

It's the highs and lows that you become addicted to

Like being obsessed with sad dramas

[storm jungle]

Yeah people just got a warped/limited understanding of the word because it makes us instantly think of sex/intercourse when its many things.

Like you sitting down to eat chips and watch TV is a pleasurable act for example lol

Slaanesh is about going hardcore with it

[sacred ginkgo]

Someone pull up that dressmaker

[storm jungle]

like say you dont like that anymore, you want to wire yourself to your tv, feel the waves, the static, let it pierce your flesh, etc

[radiant lance]

https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Circles_of_Seduction

Like, there's sex, yes, but that's really only one facet

[tough haven]

I need to snort the tears of a dead race while doing backflips, it’s the only way I can feel anymore

[fierce fiber]

Yeah like murdering an entire town so they dont bother you while you watch it

Its incredibly excessive

And that's kinda what its about

[tough haven]

Slaneesh is the god of being extra

[radiant lance]

Okay but no one is going to interrupt my lord of the rings marathon

[outer wave]

I need to sleep forever and dream of a good life while my current life rots away

[tough haven]

Sounds more nurgle

[outer wave]

Could be depending

[fierce fiber]

Choas gods overlap sometimes

[kind eagle]

Would excessively scheming empower Slaneesh, Tzeentch, or both?

[tough haven]

Don’t get me started in those choas gods

[storm jungle]

It depends.

[tough haven]

Both

Also neither

[storm jungle]

the rulebook establishes it can overlap

[tough haven]

And one of them

[fierce fiber]

For exemple Khorne and Slaanesh hate eachother, but they both enjoy killing a lot of people

[tough haven]

Chaos undivided moment

[arctic talon]

people find pleasure from a lot of things, but people just assume pleasure = you know, sex

[radiant lance]

The codex approves

[arctic talon]

when people literally derrive pleasure from like

[fierce fiber]

The how and the why is different

[arctic talon]

sleeping

lol

[outer wave]

Depends on what you're leaning into: if it's just scheming for the sake of it, Tzeentch. If it's trying to perfect the art of scheming, Slaanesh

[arctic talon]

people derive pleasure from a job well done, eating, ect.

[radiant lance]

Real pleasure

[tough haven]

Shows how dull most people are, would only be fun as a torture plaything for a bit

If you wanna know how slaneesh is, it’s just drukhari but even worse

[vagrant fox]

In Asurmen, I recall some pre-fall Eldar enjoying being bled almost to death and then taking a ton of drugs

[tough haven]

They birthed him/her after all

[kind eagle]

Slaneesh is when I waste an entire day playing Darktide

[radiant lance]

I kinda want to try one of those head massagers tbh

[arctic talon]

real

[tough haven]

“Head” massagers?

[radiant lance]

Slaanesh is when I waste way too much time trying to perfect something that doesn't matter

[tough haven]

Exactly

[radiant lance]

#40k-lore-chat message
😡

[arctic talon]

Peak slaanesh to me is still the hedonites range in AoS tbh

GW captures literally every aspect of slaanesh with it

[storm jungle]

the 300 Persian aesthetic is amazing

[vagrant fox]

wallah the iranians have always been perverts

[arctic talon]

gluttos's mini is peak

[dapper gyro]

Play Fear and Hunger, a pixel game, if you want some body horror in visual rpg game.

It is very Slaneesh ish.

[rocky gale]

I love the short story where Glutos finds a barrel of Kingsblood wine that turns people into Ghouls and is like "This stuffs fucking hilarious" and just starts feeding it to people and watching them go feral

[outer wave]

I wonder how those big guys pulling the carriage feel about their jobs

[sacred bluff]

that dude really wanted it to be about sex huh

[outer wave]

Tbf its an easy way to understand a part of Slaanesh, even if superficially

[spare osprey]

dude i've gotta buy one of those big mutants

[vagrant fox]

It's a part, also the most boring part to me

[outer wave]

Same

[vagrant fox]

unless it's some event horizon shit and they're really into it

[arctic talon]

me when blissbarb archers

thank you GW for that lore that you have not mentioned ever since their launch

[outer wave]

Never heard of em and now I'm curious

[radiant lance]

It's not a good slaanesh model unless there's a crab claw

[arctic talon]

pretty basic looking slaaneshi archers but they use poisoned arrow that uh

the poison does uh

[radiant lance]

BLISS

[arctic talon]

Yeah lets go with Bliss

until you die

[spare osprey]

i've got this idea to replace this ogor with one of em

cause i already stole the dwarf for my EC

[outer wave]

Could be an interesting idea, especially if they leaned more into a Cupid/Eros motif with them

[arctic talon]

its def meant to be like a fucked up cupid thing going on with them

flavor wise

even if visually they're Hedonites with bows that are scantily clad

[rocky gale]

The funny part of their lore is that they use bows because their commanders forbid them from melee combat, but when their commanders aren't looking they use their daggers to shank their downed enemies

[outer wave]

Like, they could take a page out of GSCs and have them target regular travelers of a city, that make them particularly horny. Then they do the do and have a gross Slaaneshi mutant that starts rampaging

[arctic talon]

thats even funnier ngl

[outer wave]

Okay yeah that's pretty funny

[arctic talon]

tbf the dose of the poison on the arrows is meant to just kill the person with pleasure

which is, some wild fucking lore lol

I think of the 4 AoS mono god ranges Hedonites are my favorite

[rocky gale]

Yea Hedonites are peak

[arctic talon]

between the Myrmidesh and Symbresh

and also Gluttos

what cool infantry

[rocky gale]

These two for me are just so peak

[arctic talon]

oh the twins are great

tbh my only real complaint is I wish that the Hedonites Lord

was in the same style as the Myrmidesh/Symbresh

or they leaned more into the like, scantily clad thing

It feels like they couldn't pick

[outer wave]

That's fair and kinda funny, but it could be cool for them to expand upon the idea a bit. Like maybe they target those that want to fall in love with someone or are in love with a particular someone?

[arctic talon]

Its up to GW if they want to ever develop on that bit again

but that would be interesting

[rocky gale]

Would not surprise me if they brought back this Underworlds Character as an HQ for the Myrmidesh

[arctic talon]

but like my thing with these 2 nerds is either go all the way or don't with the armor tbh, no halvsies, it can be the same like sexy armor that some of the hedonites have in lore. But going inbetween the more exposed/armored thing just feels eh to me

[arctic talon]

that would be so cool tbh

[outer wave]

Question: are there any space marine chapters that take on a similar role of their 80s counterparts, where they were basically just police?

[arctic talon]

Minotaurs basically exist as a beat stick to enforce the high lords and the administratums authority

the red hunters work heavily with the inqusition, the crimson fists also work heavily with the inqusition

[outer wave]

I see I see, thank ya!

[arctic talon]

all 3 of them can be seen as "enforcing" the law to an extent

[rose thorn]

*duardin

[rose thorn]

see poeple use him as any foothero

[arctic talon]

There needs to be a good abbreviation for Chaos Duradin

Lol

[tough haven]

CD?

[arctic talon]

Fair enough

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Depends on what disgusting

Horrid

Stupid

Smelly

Braindented

Xenos they are

[spare osprey]

well he's a ratling now

[opaque coyote]

If they're a Craftworld Eldar, call them Sai'lanthresh Sha'iel spawn

If they're a dark eldar

...

I honestly have nothing they're literally so fucked that any insult might actually be a word of praise

Just shoot them