40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

[dapper gyro]

I do... but most of them just repeat the same stuff, which make me fall as sleep.

[queen laurel]

They are not helping the stereotype allegations

[arctic talon]

I should change my pfp to a marine

[dapper gyro]

And lot of them riding on memes and misconceptions...

[arctic talon]

For the bit

[sly ivy]

I should b paid 4 my fact checking services here

[arctic talon]

💀

[queen laurel]

If you're going to do that at least do a tech marine

Have some mechanicus flare

[arctic talon]

I’m afraid of doing anything IH adjacent

Of the fear eternal will take me
Over like the symbiote

[sly ivy]

Tech marines look stupid

[arctic talon]

You shall be sent to the depths of mars

[sly ivy]

Admech look awesome

[queen laurel]

Say that to eternal

[dapper gyro]

Apothecary is the best marines.

[sly ivy]

Tech marines look like they’re wearing admech Halloween costumes

[dapper gyro]

You have both mechanical arms, while being more likeable than most.

[queen laurel]

The soul of the pedantic debuff for real

[sly ivy]

Bro that’s my fetish

[storm jungle]

LOL

Ngl people like him are solely responsible for making me dislike iron hands

tho seeing how mad they get over stuff people dont like about them is funny

so i guess it works either way

[dapper gyro]

Why are BT and IH fans usually like that...

It is unfun at times.

[sly ivy]

I will help my liege Eternal design a techmarine who doesn’t look like a tonka toy

(It will just be a techpriest with pauldrons)

[dapper gyro]

I do know some sane BT fans. Though, they are real life veterans and understand the satire.

[storm jungle]

Crusaders in general got a very braindead fandom from IRL history.

they also dont realise the entire joke of the BTs is that its a parody of crusaders being mass murdering religious psychopaths

so it draws them with the aesthetic before they get enamoured with the toxic personality that comes with it

[queen laurel]

Unfortunately they do not realize it's cool to like murdering religious psychopaths in fiction as long as you do not imitate them in real life

[storm jungle]

Such is the case.

[arctic talon]

Why do you think I like the Ordo reductor

[storm jungle]

Templarboos got such wild personalities

they are the sort of idiots who also say the cursades were justified lol

[queen laurel]

Why do you think i like orks?

[arctic talon]

💀

In what world

[storm jungle]

The templars were right to defend the christians but like

literally every crusade after that was just mass murder

and pillaging

lmao

[queen laurel]

They were no better than raiders at that point

[arctic talon]

Yeah that

Lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah that.

lmfao

[arctic talon]

Oh also the fucking

Just mass slaughter of everyone

[storm jungle]

Including allied countries

and non-muslim ones

LOL

[arctic talon]

Christian, dead, Catholic, dead, Muslim, dead, Jew, dead

Like

💀

[queen laurel]

Hey i guess they followed the everyone is equal in the eyes of god

[arctic talon]

What the fuck were they on

[queen laurel]

By killing everyone

[dapper gyro]

IH fans are always "you are wrong"... Then gaslight the people they are talking to...

[storm jungle]

Oh right so IH fans

[queen laurel]

Eternal reward moments

[storm jungle]

basically their issue as per Eternal is they are too up their own ass about their Chapter.

like, its okay to not find IH interesting

they rae one of the most ignored chapters by GW next to the White Scars

are they cool yes, but they simply cannot accept the fact that most people dont care about them lol

[queen laurel]

They're like marines but have the personality of a steel beam

[dapper gyro]

You will never ever mention the Ravens... So invisible...

[queen laurel]

They look sick

[storm jungle]

on point

[queen laurel]

But they're just not that interesting besides looking good

[arctic talon]

RG and WS unironically get less 40k novels then xenos

Which is really fucking funny

Anyways give me more eldar books GW

[dapper gyro]

A whole IH thing is being cold and calculating, per IH fans, so there is not much they can expand on.

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much.

They got 1 gimmick. They do said 1 gimmick.

[dapper gyro]

Because their actions always have to be the absolute best and safest for them... Therefore predictable.

[queen laurel]

Unfortunately IH fans are only cold

From my experience they're unfortunately not calculating

[dapper gyro]

No, they are not

Even the BA fans, a single gimmick with some of the most diverse successors, know their limit and stay quiet.

[arctic talon]

The greatest disciple of tzeentch

[queen laurel]

Bro might be the champion of tzeencht

No he is the champion

[arctic talon]

He was betrayed by his blood brother and buried alive when he tried to defect to the Japanese btw lol

[dapper gyro]

Actually, I disagree. With the reaction and gaslight of IH fans, their heads are hotter than the Sally.

[arctic talon]

codex tzeentch entry ass story

[queen laurel]

Yeah true

[sly ivy]

Actual q because this is not my area of expertise, but are there like even handed or even quantitative sources that indicate the Western Europeans were notably more brutal in their expansion and defense than the Muslims in the east? My understanding is that this period was just… a lot of medieval warfare in the horrible brutal way it was conducted. Every time I see an argument that one side or the other was worse / was more enlightened it comes from emotion instead of analysis.

I don’t mean whether or not one side committed atrocities, nor whether one side or the other ostensibly had more tolerant policies. I mean relative number of documented events.

One thing that is certain is that both sides had expansionist ambitions.

I should ask a scholar of the actual era but that’s often like an information firehose. Not really an excuse tho I guess.

[sly ivy]

Lmaoooo based

[arctic talon]

The Muslims were demonstrability more tolerant after the first crusade, the crusades after that all kind of fucking devolved into mindless looting and murder

Not to say the Muslims of the time didn’t engage in similar levels of brutality sometimes but the Crusaders did it on a much wider scale

And in a much more chaotic manner

[sly ivy]

Yeah I mean this is the thing I hear but what’s the scholarly source?

[arctic talon]

The crusaders were kind of the worst of the worst

[storm jungle]

Yeah both sides were terrible but crusaders just went hogwild.

[sly ivy]

I’m sure they did

They were not nice people in general

[vagrant fox]

A bunch of 4th+ born noble kids with no inheritance looting all they can put their hands on, and religious fanatics, sensible folk mostly

[dapper gyro]

This convo will not end well ..

[sly ivy]

Just this “but oh definitely the crusaders were WAY worse” thing I rarely see robustly defended beyond “the crusaders did a lot of bad things” and “Muslims had tolerant policies toward the conquered.”

[storm jungle]

the Siege of Jerusalem, the Siege of Ma'arra, and the Albigensian Crusade

also its not defended because people romanticize templars

and think of them as badasses killing stupid sand people

[sly ivy]

I mean the overwhelming thing taught in thr West right now, which I learned too, is crusaders bad Muslims good and enlightened

But it seems more like just hellish medieval warfare and expansionism

[sly ivy]

But again I’m not asking about specific incidents so much as I am about the claim of relative horribleness

[storm jungle]

Where did they teach you that stuff about "Muslims good and enlightened" lol

it was just a case of both sides stepping on each others toes constantly

[sly ivy]

Elementary middle and high school

[storm jungle]

bruh

no wonder lol

[sly ivy]

Public school in the USA

[dapper gyro]

Which state?

[sly ivy]

Very much learned a Europeans always bad and wrong thing.

Ohio and Kansas

I’m not mad about it or raving or whatever

Europeans often were bad and wrong

[arctic talon]

There’s The Crusades, the authoritative history of the war of the holy lands by Thomas Asbridge,

Which is what I learned

[storm jungle]

Not exactly wrong lol

[dapper gyro]

I feel sorry for you...ll

[storm jungle]

but yeah history is never black and white

but some side definitely sometimes uhhh takes shit too far

[sly ivy]

Ah good

Crusades often horrific no q

[arctic talon]

Also “God’s war” by Johnathan Riley smith

Which is somewhat Eurocentric

But you get to read about horrified Christian’s

[sly ivy]

I mean these fucking guys who went on them as people have said

Imagine the psychological profiles

Woooo

[arctic talon]

The crusade through Arab eyes

Is also an excellent book

Anyways I can’t recommend anything else

Bcs those are the only 3 scholarly things I’ve read on it

Lol

[queen laurel]

history is painted with many colors, unfortunately one of the paints is blood

[sly ivy]

That’s the major one 😐

[dapper gyro]

The other is white

Think of how we got that many people to go to war.

[late osprey]

The Crusader-State ERA had plenty of nuance to how they treated people in the area, but the actual Crusade EVENT, at the very least the first one, was brutal and horrific even by European standards

Such that when news reached Europe of how it actually went down, people were essentially horrified

The main thing to understand was that in terms of preparation, the First Crusade was NOT adequately planned for at all. Starvation, and the subsequent madness that results in starvation, seemingly took over the crusade right away

You don't see it getting nearly as bad in the subsequent Crusades, although the Fourth obviously has its own barrel of memes and tomfoolery

Especially when comparing with Islamic conquests, who generally actually supplied their armies properly for the regions they were invading

Once the Kingdoms and Duchies in the ME were established you see the realms being more human and less demonic even to non-Christians, which was only practical since the Christian rulers would've been outnumbered 1000-to-1 anyway

"According to William of Tyre, barely three hundred knights and two thousand foot soldiers could be found in the kingdom in 1100 during Godfrey's siege of Arsuf.[92] From the very beginning, the Latins were little more than a colonial frontier exercising rule over the native Jewish, Samaritan, Muslim, Greek Orthodox, and Syriac populations."

All of the raging psychotics went home to continue being raging psychotics back in Europe, leaving the occupied region woefully deprived of psychotics.

The main question is if the Crusaders (although Latins is probably more accurate when talking about a post-Crusade state) practiced essentially apartheid (not too unlike the local Muslim model) or if everyone was integrated with each other a la Iberia, but in that era nothing like the genocide-tier massacres was ever really on the table as a rule.

This is all to say, the conquest and the post-conquest kingdom are two very different topics, so comparing Islamic post-conquest with Crusader conquest is like apples and oranges

[humble shoal]

Childrens crusade was fun

And the 7th to 10th

(Which was one french king who kept getting excommunicated and going on penitent crusades, then getting captured and ransomed)

[sly ivy]

Yes absolutely all true. And again as above re what sort of man would go on one of these. I have no doubt many of the crusades were badly planned and executed, but are we sure that the Muslim conquests were really more competently conducted or do we just focus on the successful ones whereas the crusades are closer to home so in a way we see the warts more clearly bc they’re on our own faces

I was asking only about the relative level of horribleness compared to the Muslim wars of expansion that predated and coincided w them. Because at least in the US among relatively educated people they’re often used as examples of unusually bad atrocities, whether in general or as indications of a sort of uniquely evil character manifested in Western Europe and/or medieval Christianity.

[humble shoal]

Ended when the arabs finally just killed him

[sly ivy]

Medieval geopoltics truly was something else

[humble shoal]

I mean there was vlad and the ottomans

The moors and the conquest of spain

The pre-crusade frankish muslim wars

[humble shoal]

And all of the other easter european conflicts

[digital glacier]

but are we sure that the Muslim conquests were really more competently conducted
Depends on what you mean by that

[humble shoal]

Any muslim conquest would be more competantly conducted than the 5th crusade.

[digital glacier]

The early ones like in North Africa relied a lot on local allies the Muslims made along the way

If only for that I'd assume that it went smoother than for the Crusaders

[humble shoal]

Also crusades is a pretty long timeframe

Even if you compress it to the first 10

[digital glacier]

I imagine they mean the first, where the Christians were on the offensive and had to establish the Kingdom of Jerusalem

[humble shoal]

Oh yeah they went hog wild

[sly ivy]

That’s a fine pat statement to make but even then really?

Seems like the whole thing is really an era of conflict

[digital glacier]

Hence the parallel Kaggen makes with the Muslims conquests

[humble shoal]

They killed everything that moved

[sly ivy]

I mean these were two great macro powers

Doing their thing

[humble shoal]

5th crusade was uniquely bad

Theh just sacked byzantium

And never made it into the aravic world

[digital glacier]

If you want to hear of a big Muslim backlash, there's the Battle of Poitiers, or as the English speakers know it, the battle of Tours iirc

[sly ivy]

Uniquely bad among the crusades yes

[humble shoal]

Uniquely bad among any conflict in the time frame

[digital glacier]

It's unclear whether the battle stopped an invasion force into the Frankish Empire or a raiding party that was overstretched

[humble shoal]

Considering they held onto parts of spain still

[sly ivy]

This really appears typical of medieval conquest tbh, with more or less extreme versions from time to time.

People are not completely addressing my q always but all interesting I don’t know that much about the era.

[digital glacier]

What we know is Andalusian sources don't mention the battle too much, while it was celebrated by the franks

[sly ivy]

Interesting

[digital glacier]

People are not completely addressing my q
I'm sorry, my knowledge is also lacking

[humble shoal]

Like the fact thag the moors owned half of spain until the age of sail....

Suggests the franks held off an invasion

[digital glacier]

There is sadly not much accessible history into the nitty gritty of the Medieval Muslim World(s)

[sly ivy]

Might not be possible

[sly ivy]

Ya this is what I’m wondering. I mean these were literate empires / kingdoms but idk how much survived or has been translated

[storm jungle]

No offense but nobody really wants to bother hunting down historical sources for stuff that is basically general knowledge.

[humble shoal]

Anyway the thing is with crusades you have to be specific

[storm jungle]

also that too lol

[humble shoal]

Considering I think the 14th crusade was in poland

[sly ivy]

The thing is tho like the “general knowledge” might not be true, exactly. Or might be unknowable.

[digital glacier]

I know the very early conquests into Africa were done extremely quickly, they struggled a bit in Iran, a lot against the byzantines and probably in India as well

[storm jungle]

I mean considering the widely recorded stuff around it, it pretty much is.

[humble shoal]

So with the first, there was basically 2 parts of the crusade

[storm jungle]

most templars were about as awful as the fighting bodies they killed

like, theres no argument here

[humble shoal]

A large group of peasents

Who got slaughtered badly

[sly ivy]

Again I’m talking specifically about the comparative aspect

[humble shoal]

Which then the nobility arrived, saw their peasents slaughtered

And went nuts

[storm jungle]

crusade bias is also very much a thing for both sides where people try to show the stuff the christianic forces did in a good light more than the arabs/muslims who were their own can of bad worms

[sly ivy]

Not whether these people were right bastards (they were)

[humble shoal]

And "cleansed" the city

[sly ivy]

Definitely

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/arab-cat-cat-arab-funny-arab-cat-cat-with-headcloth-arab-cat-sitting-funny-stare-gif-20144309

[vagrant fox]

whops

[sly ivy]

Although as I said in the west rn afaik there’s a self flagellating sort of “euros worse” thing that’s taught early

[humble shoal]

Ironically in school theh overplayed the christian fuckups

[sly ivy]

Which fine maybe could be

[humble shoal]

-US blue state

[storm jungle]

Nothing wrong with hating white people 🫡 (for future context this is a joke lol)

I mean uh

yeah pretty bad

[sly ivy]

Yah same us red state in 90s

[humble shoal]

Anyway, 1rst crusade had probay the largest massacre from them

Children's crusade.... went badly

[sly ivy]

F

[humble shoal]

And not enough hate gets sent to the venetians

Who caused fuckups in several of the crusades

they also sold most of the children i to slavery

3rd crusade: richard the lionheart is way too beloved in the english mythological canon for what he actually was

A grumpy frenchman

[storm jungle]

Never ask what the belgians did in the congo

[humble shoal]

Wrong part of europe

[sly ivy]

Yeah fuck those guys

[storm jungle]

Actual nazi tier warcrimes holy shit man

[humble shoal]

Or where modern medicine learned the effects of hypothermia from

[sly ivy]

Lmao @ the English and their weird French overclass

[humble shoal]

I mean Henry the conquerer was a Frenchman

And that line continued till elizabeth

Then the scotts had a 3 generation run

And the dictator thing happened, and they imported germans as the current royal family.

Anyway time to try to not get stabbed walking in nyc.

[digital glacier]

Tudors were Welsh I'm pretty sure

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[sly ivy]

Bro where in nyc it’s hella safe

[late osprey]

I mean pick your poison of Islamic Conquest episode, in stark contrast to the Crusade, there is a noticeable lack of mention in regards to logistical failures for Islamic conquests, which suggests they were, indeed, better-prepared

They're largely segmented by region; you can look up the Muslim conquests of Maghreb and Iberia, for example

Although Iberia was more of a series of comically fortunate events and apparently the Muslims oops'd their way into ruling it

[digital glacier]

I can imagine that part of the issue is that the Muslims simply went following the coast

While the Crusaders really only wanted to go to the Holy Land, but a lot of them really didn't know where it was

[late osprey]

That, and also there is hardly a drastic biome difference between North Africa and the Middle East

[digital glacier]

Indeed

[late osprey]

While conditions between say, central France, and the Holy Land couldn't be more different

[digital glacier]

And as I mentioned, the Muslims found local allies extremely quickly in North Africa

[late osprey]

Especially relevant when European armies mostly sustained by foraging

[digital glacier]

Notably the Zenata Berbers

[late osprey]

Yeah, it even mentions at the Iberian conquest that they championed in that they were very recent subjects

[sly ivy]

What’s the nature of the documentation tho and what percentage of attempts are recorded vs European is what I would want to know if trying to make a research determination (into a sort of nonsensical q I admit, but one whose answer often seems to be assumed)

[sly ivy]

Definitely I was thinking that.

[sly ivy]

“Foraging” rip

[late osprey]

Well the First Crusade instance is so-recorded because it was distinctly UNUSUAL in European society, both the logistical challenges and the brutality of the event.

So when taken in context the First Crusade was anything but "Franks being Franks", it was a very extraordinary episode by their standards

[sly ivy]

Sorry I meant from the Islamic side.

Re comparisons.

[late osprey]

On the Islamic side, it's difficult to say, but if the meaning is that there was exceptional bias in Islamic accounts of their own conquests, it's certainly possible. But, at the context of the time, the Caliphates were also undergoing incredible power struggles, so it's unlikely the status quo had absolute control of how history was recorded.

[humble shoal]

Nowhere dangerous, just fro. Port authority to penn

[late osprey]

Considering that rivals would certainly be incentivized to highlight failures of the status quo, which they mostly do by moral failings -- but there isn't really practical failings.

[digital glacier]

Yes, the Caliphate couldn't actually keep its massive empire for too long

[late osprey]

For example, how the Abbasids that usurped the Umayyads slandered the latter by insisting their decadence. If there was any hint of reality to the fact that Umayyads sucked at strategy, they surely would've also done that.

[digital glacier]

They quickly lost their grasp of North Africa because of both Internal strife and local revolts

[late osprey]

It's also important to consider that Islamic conquests take place some 200-300 years before the Crusades, so these aren't parallel events

If the core of your question is if there is any truth to the extreme narrative that Muslims didn't have any problems because Islamic Society was fundamentally superior to those mean evil Medieval Christians, I don't think anyone rationally goes that far anymore.

The Islamic conquests benefited from convenient opportunities that the First Crusade fundamentally didn't have, not to mention the logistical and biome challenges that weren't persent in the former.

[digital glacier]

That seems to be a good way to settle it

I'll add that the feudal system accross continental Europe was a detriment to a military operation on a scale as Ambitious as the Crusades were

[late osprey]

If there was an episode where the Caliphate sailed all the way around to try to conquer Norway, you'd probably see some equally unfortunate events happen to the Islamic invaders

[digital glacier]

The Muslims had a benefit of a more centralised force, at least at first

[late osprey]

Which is essentially the equivalent of the Crusaders' route, especially for the Northern Europeans

[late osprey]

This, too.

[sly ivy]

Right yes

[sly ivy]

Yes

And therefore probably more discipline and therefore quite plausibly fewer on the ground horrible things involving civilians. Maybe.

[digital glacier]

Oh, there was a bit of unpleasantness with the Muslim conquests as well, like capturing slaves, which have been mentioned by the Historians of the time, but yes

[late osprey]

Their practices were easily atrocious by modern standards, but they were probably more like how the Medieval Europeans conducted warfare locally in that.

[digital glacier]

These were harsh times, with little to no mercy shown to the vainquished

[sly ivy]

Yeah

[forest orbit]

Im white and I dont really care, she can go off

🫡

(its true)

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[late osprey]

Sorry, racism isn't okay.

[forest orbit]

Its a joke, not really racism

[late osprey]

I've never heard that one before.

[forest orbit]

Get over it lol

[late osprey]

Saying "Get over it" to racism is crazy

[forest orbit]

I think theres a difference between that and you know saying "white people are the bane of existence and should be exterminated"

so again, as a caucasian jew, im saying get over it

[late osprey]

Of course, racism is only bad when it's not delivered in joke form.

[forest orbit]

Enough yak already

[late osprey]

You know it's wrong, that's why you're just deflecting with a meme.

Racism is a blight on modern society, simple as.

[forest orbit]

Again, I really doubt shes actually being racist my dude.

stop overblowing it

[late osprey]

Racist jokes perpetuate racism, whether you intend it to or not.

[forest orbit]

Theres a level to said joke, so not really no

[late osprey]

LOL, okay.

[forest orbit]

Get out 🗣️

[late osprey]

"You know, you really have to consider the ironic context of "Nothing wrong with hating people by the color of their skin""

I think you'd be right at home in some other parts of the internet with such thinking.

[forest orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-gif-549301440228520168

[late osprey]

React with memes all you want, it doesn't make it any less abhorrent.

[forest orbit]

Its hard to put it into words, i think you need to stop digging the hole so deeply.

[late osprey]

There's no hole. Just don't be racist.

It's literally that easy.

[forest orbit]

There definitely is one, so again, genuinely get over it lol

[late osprey]

I don't think I will "get over" racism, no.

[forest orbit]

sigh

[late osprey]

And that's a ridiculous thing to say.

[forest orbit]

Learn to understand a joke next time then

seriosuly

[late osprey]

I'm not obligated to laugh at a racist joke.

[sly ivy]

wtf there goes half my personality

[humble shoal]

Miss me with that racism, my xenophobia goes to the stars

https://youtu.be/Yg2IooEFTp8?si=hEmP2XzFMf4Yw8x7

[sly ivy]

This has been a bad day 4 me first most of my personality is prohibited then I find myself agreeing w @forest orbit

I gotta go have a think

[humble shoal]

Im sorry, you can no longer hate the french, theyre people now

[sly ivy]

Shit I can’t even do that because I’m stupid

What am I supposed 2 do now

Rudderless

Lost

[humble shoal]

Have you tried turning the power on the jetski, turning off the power removes the steering ability

[sly ivy]

Why god

[sly ivy]

French girls are kinda hot ngl

And all this bc some Turk hates the true sons of Yakub

[sly ivy]

Does this make the French human? The jury remains out.

[forest orbit]

The fact that you want to agree with me on something is even worse for me, ew.

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-uni-fact-40-cat-uni-kitty-maxwell-gif-16518872652230738774

[sly ivy]

Rip 2 both of us

(Literally irl when unironic we prob agree on like 98% of things but ima keep up the bit)

[late osprey]

On a more universal note, is this chimera cross-section official?

[storm jungle]

Its not.

[late osprey]

I'm trying to see how passengers actually man those lasguns

[sly ivy]

It’s nice

Damn it Dilara make it official

U can do that right

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-come-at-me-provoke-picking-a-fight-the-summoning-gif-11565847

[sly ivy]

Add it 2 the Lexicanicus or whatever it’s called

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryWarhammer/comments/g8auq7/chimera_cutaway_by_john_r_child/

The comments...

[late osprey]

Actually lexicanum has a pretty fallible record with images, unfortunately

[sly ivy]

That corrected to Mexicans. Tell it 2 the Mexicans

[late osprey]

I've been scammed before into thinking all of their art was official only to be blindsided by a deviantart link

[sly ivy]

MFW I’m typing that and a literal Mexican family walks by, guy wearing a 🇲🇽 t shirt

I summoned them

[storm jungle]

Its definitely not that much compared to the wiki.

[sly ivy]

I knew I was powerful

[storm jungle]

they source a ton of their artwork

I know because I tried it like over 100 attempts lol

I share one and they are like "Okay what codex and image"

[sly ivy]

Damn those r some bibliographically thorough Mexicans

[storm jungle]

Considered they fight the ignorant masses of this fandom id say its fitting

https://tenor.com/view/orange-kitty-dancing-joust-memes-de-gatos-memes-gif-15564981694074768734

Gun them down with words.

[sly ivy]

That’s so touching they’d do all that just 4 me

[late osprey]

Yeah their discord is pretty brutal with checking sources

Which is obv a good thing

[storm jungle]

They are extremely in-universe'ish with the way they operate lol

"Provide the source or get the fuck out of my office."

[late osprey]

But I remember a matter of like amasec and they were like "Screencap the RT source about it or STFU"

yeah exactly LOL

[storm jungle]

Yeah honestly like

its at first "Wow what a dick"

then you see what they got to deal with

and you completely understand them lol

[late osprey]

It's learned vigilance over decades of fighting memelore.

[storm jungle]

The fight never ceases 🫡

I mostly am a outside provider of artwork for a lexi-pal of mine though

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eyes_of_the_Emperor

for example I got this artwork of that Eye of the Emperor for this page because more people need to see it

[late osprey]

Honestly too many people snub the new-age art style, that's sick as hell

That one especially reminds me of the double-page art they have in the core rulebook in terms of style

[sly ivy]

Yeah braindead claims that old art is actually better technically are stupid. The newer art + artists are amazing

Also the sketchy art in the kill team books. Great.

[late osprey]

The phrase "soul" and its consequences have been a disaster for the Creative community.

[storm jungle]

The old art is excellent but while the new art has some iffy stuff its definitely not that bad lol

[sly ivy]

I make an exception for Blanche his stuff is sui generis

[storm jungle]

ıts largely a case of like

GW not having instudio artists anymore

back then they had like a team of 6-10 people or so

so now they just get any freelancer who they think works and slap em in, most are usually good thankfully

[sly ivy]

I did not know that

Kind of sadj

[storm jungle]

Yeah most of them just get commissioned for long periods to do artwork.

I think its only like Lewis Jones (the spike guy) who was fully hired and that one eldar artist on twitter.

[late osprey]

With freelancers you can get incredible diversity of art styles and specialities. It's hard to get "The Ship Guy" to draw good art of, say, the average Imperial citizen to professional standards

[sly ivy]

Yeah and you can spread the $$ around, technically support more artists

… all while not having 2 provide fringe haha

[late osprey]

I mean pro artists ideally can draw lots of stuff, but in practice most people seem to develop their favorite subjects and become the masters of them

[storm jungle]

^

Its why artstation exists yea

you got a guy in the studio who headhunts these people for a temporary period, its why 40k art waxes and wanes a lot.

[sly ivy]

True I try to diversify but my portfolio can be generalized as “pee pee on side of building.”

There are infinite variations and inspirational nuances tho

[late osprey]

I know a guy who works at Ark and they have artists who have only ever, and would rather always, draw dinosaurs their entire life, and know everything there is to know about drawing dinosaurs.

Such that they run into legitimate, but occasional, issues whenever serious efforts are made at making art of anything else

[sly ivy]

This does not sound in any way autistic

[late osprey]

I'm sure you would find a similar array of artists working for Eve Online, them being all Ship Guys

[sly ivy]

Wh… wha what is E.. Eve…

I can’t

Why did you say that name

I’ve been clean for years

I… I have to get back to the front I have to

Calmil needs me

have to.. get back….

[late osprey]

NO WAY

https://tenor.com/3uNb.gif

We're all patriots for the glorious Caldari.

The only good Gallente is a dead Gallente!

[vagrant fox]

I miss EVE sometimes

Dealing with Horde, not so much

[late osprey]

I usually fly with a CalMil group (preferably with a lore-friendly name) for a month or two before I get bored

Although I didn't miss logging on hours in advance of skirmish night to ferry over condors to the frontline.

[sly ivy]

Frog legs for dinner son

YoungPuke will rue the day

[vagrant fox]

Brave isn't what it used to be and I'm not so keen on being a goon again, but it's also the only things I'm interested in

[sly ivy]

I think I woulda fallen in w one of those eventually

Had I not beaten Eve

[soft thunder]

Speaking of lore stuff. Here is every source mentioning Exodites ever https://medium.com/@zap1000x/the-exodite-corpus-35-years-of-exodites-193028a1392a Curtesy of one of the Lex contributors

[late osprey]

Call me autistic but I never like joining groups with unimmersive names

Sorry, but "FartlosersUnited" isn't a guild name I want to flag under me

[young pecan]

Dinosaurs are awesome
Such a shame that the devs are so lame in their business practices

[sly ivy]

No that’s legit

[young pecan]

And how some will take part in real life currency trading good dinos

[late osprey]

Unfortunately RoR Order Side only has stupid guild names so I can never get into organized play

Give me "83rd Caldari Expeditionary Fleet" for a corp name any day

[sly ivy]

To this day the biggest video game adrenaline spikes I’ve had are EVE fleet battles with a competent FC

[late osprey]

Did you have an assigned role?

I was a tackler

[sly ivy]

I did tackler, jammer, but a lot of the time I was just lending midrange cruiser firepower

[late osprey]

Hell yeah

[sly ivy]

A couple of times I rolled in with a sniper naga and boy that was fun

• frog fleet chillin *

• escort ships start exploding *

[sly ivy]

Tackler is the coolest

[late osprey]

Well for me, tackler was nice and cheap so very forgiving

[vagrant fox]

Brave was fun, 30 idiots who didn't know what they were doing in tackling ships and 1 competent FC

[late osprey]

Condor exploded? All good, just get another, they're 8M each

[vagrant fox]

Pretty much, just go out and have fun

[sly ivy]

That’s always funny af. My frequent FC was former US army and was hilarious

God can’t remember name

[late osprey]

One thing they don't tell you is how Destroyers just eat Frigates for breakfast

[sly ivy]

sounded like Bruce Willis

[sly ivy]

Bullying frog frigs in a well-equipped navy corm is one of life’s great joys

[late osprey]

My FAVORITE ship is the hookbill, it's just so damn expensive

I could basically only use it for Abyssal Deadspace

One of these days I do want to try out incursions so I have a reason to fly a big badass battleship

[sly ivy]

Ok these things are a delight for solo plexing.

[late osprey]

It also just looks awesome

[winged laurel]

Noob question but can you make all of the ultra marine units into a black Templar units ? Besides there named hero’s obviously

[late osprey]

The only major downside to Caldari is they're sometimes hit-or-miss, as opposed to Amarr which have ONLY good ships aesthetically

[late osprey]

In what?

[sly ivy]

R u lost this is EVE Online chat

[late osprey]

Black Templars IIRC have a pretty dramatically different roster of units in lore.

At least as far as space marine chapters go

[sly ivy]

“40K” is how much money you’ll end up losing to EVE over a lifetime if you keep playing

And/or how many hours of ur life

[winged laurel]

No just thought I might get an answer for the question I asked. I don’t play the table top game but I do enjoy putting the models together and painting them so I guess it doesn’t really matter

[sly ivy]

Are you looking to make just a regular squad?

[storm jungle]

I mean I assume so? All Space Marine units minus like very minor exceptions are literally usable/paintable for any Chapter or purpose you want i think.

Also 2nd TLDR answer who gives a shit just paint/assemble what you want as long as its fun lol

people make some crazy stuff

[humble shoal]

Hmmm loyalist iron warriors

With rubric helms

And kharn bodies

[vagrant fox]

it's your very special chapter and that's okay

[humble shoal]

"We are the tanktop marines"

Think one of the angry marines models used the kharn body

[winged laurel]

I’m not sure I just looked at GW’s website and looked at the Templars and didn’t see a whole lot but remembered that the ultra marines are like the poster version for everything and they have so many different unit models. So I just thought that you could buy those and re paint them with the black Templar symbol.

[humble shoal]

Id do dark angels

[vagrant fox]

Yea afaik you can just do "counts as"

[storm jungle]

^

its ultras on the store page because they are the posterboys yeah

the idea is indeed to buy the marines you want and paint them however you want

[humble shoal]

My favorite kitbash was someone who made brother blobbimus

With horse skull

I actually have no idea where that head is from

[storm jungle]

mechanicus cerberus horses i think

you can see the eyes/muzzle

[sly ivy]

Wait but you can buy a Templar squad

Which looks really cool hang on

[humble shoal]

That sounds about right

[sly ivy]

I figured you had bought them already

Stand by wait

@winged laurel it’s called the primaris crusader squad

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/black-templars-primaris-crusader-squad-2021?srsltid=AfmBOoo2ZA1ssaISpJq_5KlUccknPH1XKPA3i8Tcau6pmHKnWP1bdYnb

[humble shoal]

They got at least a kill team box right?

[sly ivy]

You can get them for a discount on Amazon or esp eBay too

New on Sprue is just without box good deal there

Aka NoS

[rocky gale]

Pretty much all the separate Space Marines Chapters can use the basic Space Marine units, plus their own special units

[humble shoal]

Btw wasnt there a mechanicus space marine chapter not the iron hands

[storm jungle]

Theres like a handful

[sly ivy]

Yeah but templars have significant drip even in their regular squads

[storm jungle]

also that yeah

BTs get a ton of attention

compared to their parent chapter lmfao

[humble shoal]

Bet you templars dont even have the tramp stamp

[winged laurel]

I might do the unthinkable and get a black Templar unit and a grey knights unit and have them team up.

My top two favorite good …….. kinda good space marines.

[storm jungle]

[humble shoal]

Throw a black templar champion

In the dreadknight

[sly ivy]

Sword Bretheren are their elites

[sly ivy]

Based

[sly ivy]

U can pair up the Emperor’s Champion with his holy sword and Crowe with his literal daemon sword lmao

[humble shoal]

Was thinking of these guys, steel confessors

[humble shoal]

Normal sword crowe or angry sword crowe?

[humble shoal]

Thats angry sword crowe

[storm jungle]

I love Crowe's model

fucking strawberry jam sword

[humble shoal]

I like this pose more

For emperors champion

[arctic talon]

The edge blade

[sly ivy]

Yeah classic mini

[arctic talon]

Lol

[humble shoal]

Reminds me of the overpriced knights that you would find in staples

[humble shoal]

Sword promises infinite power:

Shut the fuck up and cut ahit

I still want to make a weapon from a necron

[arctic talon]

Castellan “someone get my sword to shut up” Crowe

[humble shoal]

It would be so funny running in like a dark heresy game

[sly ivy]

Clearly a mirror of the emperor

Gods promise infinite power

Shut the fuck up and give me sons [unzips]

[humble shoal]

Or fulgrim

Crowe laughs in fulgrims face

[arctic talon]

Alright chat

Who wants to bite the bullet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=salHxZ2fKIo

[humble shoal]

Im on a train so not me

[digital glacier]

Vampyres!

[arctic talon]

Fuck it I’ll just wait for the sacrificial lamb on the 40k discord

[tough haven]

Who's gonna tell him?

[storm jungle]

God do I have to watch it

[arctic talon]

No

[sly ivy]

Oh good are we finally getting a vect who looks even stupider than the last one

[storm jungle]

I think its Dark Eldar

the others are like "why"

[digital glacier]

Yes, it's probably the Drukhari

[arctic talon]

Might be next edition

[storm jungle]

yeah deffo

we also got the Lady Malys leak

so its likely

[arctic talon]

I’m watching soyrak

[digital glacier]

Vect returns with an even bigger pimpmobile

[sly ivy]

Dark Eldar: the faction truly no one cares about

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside

I love how positive he is

Lol

[storm jungle]

He always is

[digital glacier]

Positivity, in a 40K space?!

[sly ivy]

Yah bro is good

[storm jungle]

Valrak has always been a harmless wojak so its fine

[humble shoal]

Consume product, get more excited to buy more product

[storm jungle]

On point lmao

https://tenor.com/view/dont-ask-questions-just-consume-product-gif-26899054

[sly ivy]

Literally le meaning of life

[humble shoal]

Anyway any leaks on the next arvites cosmetic

Need to spend 1800 for a red opened visor

[sly ivy]

This channel is wild I can’t believe we managed 2 have an extended discussion of the crusades and no one started yelling and also I agreed w Eli

[humble shoal]

Because the angry ones arent here

[sly ivy]

I’m angry and also stupid which is a force multiplier

[storm jungle]

Theres not really a dumbass that supports the crusades here so thats mostly why

[humble shoal]

I support the knights templars and the hospitaliars because they had cool putfits

[arctic talon]

Rumor: New Grotesque(???), tantalus in plastic(???) next edition

Deranged rambling from the warp: exodites

leak: Necrons in killteam, melee crons(???), End of edition or next edition necron C’tan.

Dark Eldar, Refresh next edition 100%, maybe this edition, Malys and multipart Archon coming this edition.

Corsairs! New Yirel, new vyper, jump pack corsairs, new mode

ork stuff next and end of this edition

Leagues of votaan Vehicle this or next edition, new HQ this edition, new squad

[humble shoal]

I also thoughr the teutonic knights looked cool, but some duded made them a but harder to support

[digital glacier]

Speak for yourself, I am a great fan of the crusades

[sly ivy]

I support imperial ambitions but they sound super incompetent

[arctic talon]

Okay I’m done

[digital glacier]

Fourth Crusade I mean!

[arctic talon]

I finished the video

At 2x speed

And with skipping

[digital glacier]

Long live the Latin Empire! Taken away too soon

[humble shoal]

Istanbul was constantinople

[sly ivy]

Oh boy

[arctic talon]

You’re welcome for your Valrak summary

Oh also he went the whole video without talking about marines

[digital glacier]

My man said it was a Xenos video and stuck to it

[humble shoal]

Although new york was once new amsterdam, why they changed it I can't say (maybe they just liked it better that way)

[digital glacier]

New ownership

Gotta show them who's da boss

[sly ivy]

Why did Constantinople get the works?

That’s nobody’s business but @storm jungle ‘s

[humble shoal]

Thats noones business but the turk's!

[late osprey]

Defending the First Crusade is wack because like, okay, if you're just a deranged tradLARPer I get why you'd pull all the stops on trying to justify it morally

But why not just talk about the Third Crusade which was actually competent

First Crusade defenders are surreal to me

It was objectively poorly-conceived and only won because it was the strategic equivalent of a sucker punch

[digital glacier]

Well, they did technically succeed

[humble shoal]

Shoutout to they might be giants for collaborating with afventure quest worlds

[arctic talon]

Because those people haven’t actually read about the events

[digital glacier]

I mean, you can find Hitler defenders, and the man almost entirely got his own country destroyed! A generation of men killed or maimed and a dark stain in Germany's history
Nothing surprises me anymore

Truth and facts don't matter to those people

[arctic talon]

Relevant

[sly ivy]

Ok tbf some historians are mondo stupid

[arctic talon]

Ok but this isn’t for those instances

[humble shoal]

Being pro child slavery, I support the childrens crysade

[digital glacier]

“Here's how the Eastern Romans could have won in 1444”

[late osprey]

Christians would've won against Saladin if they just turned off the Conqueror trait in game settings.

[arctic talon]

REAL

[digital glacier]

FACTS

[humble shoal]

So true

[storm jungle]

I still dont get why people get so upset about the Constantinople/Istanbul name change

some people sometimes say it at me as a history jab and im like

"Okay I dunno"

[vagrant fox]

the turkmen ruined roman larp 🫵

[storm jungle]

[late osprey]

Romanlarpers when you call it Byzantine

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah like

conquerors or whatever change the names of places constantly

so like who cares tbh

[humble shoal]

Its a song

[late osprey]

The city changed to New York because the Yorkers conquered the city.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-camii-istanbul-bogaz-gif-10766125

[humble shoal]

By an educational band for kids

With other songs such as "C is for Conifer"

And the mesopotamians

[arctic talon]

Istanbul has cats

Therefore W

[vagrant fox]

history ended in 553 when the ostrogoth kingdom fell anyways, the only pure people historically

anything after has been a spook

[arctic talon]

The revolution was a mistake

Not the industrial one, the agricultural one

[sly ivy]

Ok admittedly Constantinople is a pretty badass name

[storm jungle]

Its okay, a bit too long.

[sly ivy]

ok that is true

[storm jungle]

LMAO

gottem

[late osprey]

"Hmm... what do I call this city that is ruled by a guy named Constantine..."

[sly ivy]

Blessed Bosphorus

U do not know story of great Turkish conqueror Stan the Bull

[plush mason]

meh Constantine just copied Alexander the great, like half of Roman emperors did

[sly ivy]

@late osprey

[plush mason]

tbf Alexander basically set the mold for vainglorious leaders

naming a city after yourself being one of the bigger hallmarks of his

[sly ivy]

Based

[late osprey]

No freakin way.

[plush mason]

fuck what was the name of the Sultan that conquerored it?

i only remember his title "The Conqueror"

[vagrant fox]

Who, Mehmed II?

[storm jungle]

Mehmed II yeah

[plush mason]

yeah thats it

[storm jungle]

bro oiled up boats and crossed them over the land, some real warhammer shit 😭

[vagrant fox]

The whole thing with the basilica cannon is wack too, the recoil just killed several of its operators

[storm jungle]

Yeah in our history lesson they mention all the "cool" and "epic" parts of the war in like 8th grade.

And uh never what happened to the populace after the ottomans won 💀

[vagrant fox]

History classes in Denmark were so boring after the 1200s

Yeah, the king was insane and a cuckold. The next one was too

Also WW2 happened the end

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

I want action glory and guts 🗣️

[storm jungle]

Im going through the wiki rn

holy fuck this is awful

lmao

[tough haven]

With enough lubricant, any problem of any nature can be solved

[vagrant fox]

portaging is a noble and storied craft

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-hakan-oil-time-to-oil-up-wet-gif-17390114

[sly ivy]

What is ur favorite part of Istantinople

[storm jungle]

Nowhere, I hate it lmao

buildings, traffic, people, all of it too much and shittily managed

its a nice metropolis and tourist location, thats all i can say about it lmao

[vagrant fox]

I look at the buildings ontop of ruins ontop of ruins ontop of ruins and wonder how safe it could be
But it's apparently very pleasant as a tourist

[dapper gyro]

Ah yes, Turkish oil wrestling.

Dilara should be very familiar with that.

[vagrant fox]

t*rkye not beating the allegations with oil wrestling, the dish called menandmen, and the wolf mythology

[dapper gyro]

Men and men. Wot...

[late verge]

so apropos nothing I've just been thinking about how servitors would probably see a lot of uses outside of acting in place of a computer

[dapper gyro]

Servitors can do a lot of things.

[storm jungle]

They already act in place of a lot of stuff yeah

[late verge]

they would probably also be doing monotonous tasks we'd usually have humans do, like being criers for stores and things, and probably also acting in grisly plays or as animatronics to entertain

[storm jungle]

really good guesses, heres some canon "jobs" they can have that I wrote down over the months reading books lol

[late verge]

just been thinking abt it for some reason

[late verge]

i'm sure theres a lot of servitors acting as decorations too

[dapper gyro]

Scanning drones, rescue drones, being weaponized, etc.

[storm jungle]

^

Pretty any menial job

[dapper gyro]

Door knobs

[late verge]

imagine chuck e cheese but the animatronics are replaced with fucking servitors that sing

[young pecan]

Still love the coatrack servitor

[dapper gyro]

Bar code scanner servitors

[vagrant fox]

I forget the story, probably fanfic, where a servitor is just a self playing instrument
It's wack

[storm jungle]

tbh

servitors are already basically animatronics

they are more or less braindead and are jittery/robotic lol

[dapper gyro]

Exactly like me!

[late verge]

the creepiest thing abt the servitors in darktide is that they twitch and jitter all the time. makes me think their body is trying to reassert itself but cant

[dapper gyro]

That's all servitors.

[late verge]

i havent noticed that detail before darktide though

[late verge]

yeah but like, if you were forced to sing those same stupid songs for twenty years and you never got a bath? you'd probably be a bit irritable at night

[dapper gyro]

It is down to if the dev get paid enough to make the animation for that.

[vagrant fox]

The darktide medicae servitors look a little crude, which along with some of their voice lines make me wonder how well made they are

[late verge]

i'm sure there's illegal/cheaper servitorisation that's done

[vagrant fox]

Not that servitors ever look fantastic

[young pecan]

The medicae station having a huge three-fingered claw that comes down and a big ass syringe that stabs into you

Scary as shit to let yourself be handled by that thing when you stop to look at it

[vagrant fox]

Sure, there's a warhammer crime novel that deals with illegal servitors. Iirc they have higher cognitive functions but you know, maybe illegal chopshops deal with shitty illegal servitors somewhere

[young pecan]

I had an idea for a crime-run "butcher shop" servitor who could eat bodies to get rid of them, since maybe Kuru would affect them differently, or be made to not affect them at all

Then I remembered that cannibalism is already possible without prion shenanigans because corpse starch exists

fml

[storm jungle]

still a good idea imo

starch existing doesnt really solve the problem of cannibalism if the area has no access to it

[young pecan]

That's true, I don't even know how rigorous the process of making cstarch is

[late verge]

theres got to be servitors that are polished and made to look nice

[young pecan]

Could be a hive thing, not sure if bodies are often cared about in those settings though

[late osprey]

imagine high-quality servitors that are given like

[late verge]

i mean corpse starch is insanely heavily processed. eating a person straight up would likely be different

[late osprey]

masquerade masks and such to cover them up

gold or chrome plating on the mechanical bits

[young pecan]

Maxilla in the Eisenhorn books has gold-laden servitors that IIRC look good

[storm jungle]

Remember

you can make anything in 40k work, just have the right excuses

if the writers can do it so can you lol

[young pecan]

TRUE

[golden wren]

Yeah, everything's cannon in 40K right?

[young pecan]

wdym kuru would still affect a lobotomized man-machine
no i had the guy who did the procedure rewire the nervous system

[storm jungle]

Not really that

more just "how do we make this work" = "just write a well enough reason"

its the same as say like

"Hey guys what kind of small aircraft does the Imperium use?"

Just make one up, authors also do it lol

[golden wren]

Ah, noted

Thanks for the explanation

[late verge]

also unrelated but I think there should be more "human" tech priests in 40k. in terms of personality and emotion I mean. I like engineseer kayex for that reason. He shows a lot of empathy towards the machines he sees as "suffering" and is "distraught to have offended" lady brahms. they are still human and considering the enormity of the imperium there's no way there arent a lot of sects and opinions that interpret the mechanicus differently

[storm jungle]

Theres quite a few like the ones you are describing, you gotta read some stories and novel to see them.

[late verge]

i also like hadron bc she's kind of a dick but not in a dispassionate way. she's just sassy

[storm jungle]

Every signle techpriest is their own person.

[late verge]

do you have suggestions?

[storm jungle]

we just get the cliche representation a lot because its the easiest to do usually.

[storm jungle]

Priests of Mars is an excellent one but its a big trilogy

id suggest uhhh

Brutal Kunning and Day of Ascension

One is about techpriests dealing with an ork invasion and Day is a forge-world/genestealer plot, lots of admech characters on both.

[late verge]

also kayex is cute i like him. he's the only tech priest I'd feel safe within a mile of

[late verge]

not any closer though

[late verge]

thanks!

[plush shuttle]

https://i.imgur.com/oStgVsa.png So does this have to be in my hand for the crit bonus and then it applies to my other dual wielded shotgun or does it only apply to that specific shotgun

Or can I have it just equipped and then use 2 shotguns

[sly ivy]

Wow really??? I don’t love nyc as a place to live but I could rattle off 4 or 5 places.

[storm jungle]

Yeah see what I mean

Its advertised as a great city and like i said it is, but as a native I hate it lmao

It has a ton of problems you notice the more you live in it

[raven stone]

In the Dark Heresy tabletop (1st edition) there is a supplement where you do get a class of very human looking Techpriest, designed specifically for the purpose of maximising communication efficiency with non-Mechanicum Imperium people.

(As opposed to any lingering sentiments of the flesh lol)

[outer wave]

Do servitors of 4th gen genestealer hybrids exist? And if so, are they still infectious by default?

[arctic talon]

In theory it could

and the next part is yes

[sly ivy]

😦

[arctic talon]

but Servitors don't tend to have those bits anymore

[outer wave]

What about sex servitors?

[sly ivy]

It looks so cool and pretty and there’s cats

[arctic talon]

They wouldn't have those specific organs now

for reproduction, they would have uh

the stuff that feels good still, but not the rest

[storm jungle]

I subject you to 10 hour traffic jam 🫡

[outer wave]

Ah so no balls and no tubes

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/analyse-this-de-niro-shoot-hit-pillow-gif-14674439871687960818

[raven stone]

Going by one of the Genestealer Cult novels, theoretically possible since ||even Skitarii converted cultists can be brought back under control||
But the issue is, well, Servitors are hamstrung by whatever they are given.
…
yea and I doubt Imperium uses Servitors for sexual pleasures, it is just…not mechanically feasible, given the potentially crushing parts and weight.

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[arctic talon]

Look

[sly ivy]

1. Cool 2. Pretty 3. Greco-Roman history 4. Cats

[arctic talon]

I have to answer the question

even if its awful

[sly ivy]

Basically Mecca 4 autistics

[arctic talon]

I have to

[outer wave]

Look, I'm curious, okay?

[arctic talon]

anyways

[outer wave]

I'm not being weird about it, I'm genuinely curious

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/siegfried-gbvs-gbvsr-die-verdrängen-gif-17943989853454082534

[plush shuttle]

https://i.imgur.com/JueQ7Ky.jpeg Will this shotgun give me the crit bonus if its not directly equipped

[arctic talon]

no, they changed how those work

you have to use it now

it has to be in your hands

if you want the buff

[plush shuttle]

Will it buff both the shotguns or just the off hand shotgun

Like will my combat shotgun get the crit bonus

[sly ivy]

I’ll buff a shotgun anytime anywhere

W my off hand

[storm jungle]

Okay so serious answer.

1. Anything organic can be infected by genestealers, but cults and the genestealer that starts the infection are still proper thinking people even under the thrall of the Patriarch, they'd corrupt and use people that are actually capable of creating further generations, a servitor serves nothing and has no use to them.

2. Goon-servitors would absolutely exist, its just not talked about because obviously its a very gross concept. But looking at the way people treat pleasure workers today and the sick shit they do to them behind closed doors its very much possible both for male and female nobles, the idea at the end of the day and the thing they want is their own gratification, so they will just commission it and get it done somehow lol.

[sly ivy]

No homo

Where the f is Jay to appreciate my sophisticated humor

[arctic talon]

you need to ahve it physically in your hands for the buff

[sly ivy]

Can confirm

[plush shuttle]

But it will buff both?

[arctic talon]

Like I just said

No

what part of

wait

[plush shuttle]

I'm doing dual wield shotguns

[arctic talon]

are you dual wielding

Then yes

[plush shuttle]

Ye

Ok

Sick ty

[arctic talon]

np

got confused

forgot you could do that now

💀

[sly ivy]

Damn I got a chance 2 do that at a party once but I chickened out

[outer wave]

Okay, so for your 1.) I didn't mean within the cult itself, but the hive city as a whole. While 4th gens are typically eerily good workers, it's possible they fuck up somewhere or a higher up doesn't like them, and they get sent to become a servitor.

But this does answer the hypothetical question of a cult wanting to send GSC servitors to other planets for infection, thank you.

[storm jungle]

Yeah at the end of the day its in the man's DNA it would still be a genestealer cultist, it would be pretty interesting if he/she could still be telepathically remote controlled to do something like sabotage so that no one would expect it for example.

But also yeah a servitor to spread infection the "classic" way is too costly, its way easier to just pack genestealers into shit and ship em off that way which some cults do secretly.

however obvs its not impossible, we got the Twisted Helix for exampel sendint tainted meds across systems for a bit of trolling

[outer wave]

Tainted medication makes sense to me

Its only a modification to what is available and I doubt the methodology is that much more costly

Though I wonder if infected people start losing their hair or just get really REALLY horny

[storm jungle]

Both id say

also god GSC lore is fucking complex

I gotta re-study it

[outer wave]

Dilara, the test is tomorrow......

[storm jungle]

guh

[outer wave]

Its 45% of our grade

The Patriach prof will kill us if we fail

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

Man I love GSC lore

[storm jungle]

Same its legit deep as hell too

[outer wave]

I didnt know it was that deep tbh

I thought it was mostly "Genestealer kiss to making generations to people doing creative methods to infecting people to dying knowing they killed billions of people for funny tyranids"

[late osprey]

GSC Lore:

https://tenor.com/bE5CB.gif

Tyranid Lore: "idk we just eat stuff or smthn"

Like actual night and day

[raven stone]

GSC Lore gets deep when one thinks very hard.
Same with Chaos Cults Lore, weirdly, in a sense.

[late verge]

can we not talk about this

[raven stone]

Like they are both classed as cults

[outer wave]

We already did

[raven stone]

But they are very different

[late verge]

ah

[late osprey]

Not surprising. The baseline faction humans have a lot of potential to be incredibly interesting

[storm jungle]

its a case of like uhhh

the entire format of how they are built around to be a cthulu cult

and that YOU the player can write and organize them around that structure

[raven stone]

Indeed, GW has an undiscovered goldmine for books focusing on cults. Like there are some but more could be done with it.

[storm jungle]

the official cults the codexes has GW wrote to inspire people has so much creativity

[raven stone]

The lore is usually why we stick around even if we know GW prices are crazy

[outer wave]

Im lucky Im not a tabletop player

[sly ivy]

Not yet

[raven stone]

Thing is even if you don’t play the war game the miniatures are still cool to collect and paint

[plush mason]

so this is very random but i finally watched transformers one

[outer wave]

No, genuinely not that interested, especially when the rules continue to change which either makes armies incredible or just dog water. At most, I'd like it as a painting project

[sacred bluff]

https://x.com/TheFirstOkiro/status/1521843441247916032

Okiro (@TheFirstOkiro)

Vader when he finds out Obi-Wan is alive

X · May 4, 2022, 1:25 PM

[sly ivy]

I said that for a while, then I played. Lost badly. Couldn’t stop thinking about it. Wanted to roll more dice

More dice

Just one more roll bro

Just one more roll.

[outer wave]

Just use TTS lmao

[tough haven]

Tyranids are though! If we look at that one inquisition book, that is

[opaque coyote]

How to get a bigger dick

Step 1)

Get Servitorized

[tough haven]

Servo penis

Horrific

Truly a 40K moment

I think there’s a noble in the RT game that definitely fucks the servitors

[tough haven]

See a haemonculus

It’s worth it trust me

I am NOT a wrack trying to get more meat to appease his master

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-one-bumblebee-run-run-away-gif-17417199832741964346

[opaque coyote]

On a non-joking level. Servitors probably have just

So many roles

I think some Cogitators are Servitors

Which makes me wonder. How do they not rot

Like it's implied that the Imperium can servitorize you even if you commit suicide

[raven stone]

Extra strength preservatives...

...
Imagine if the nutrient supplements are actually just cracked amounts of MSG or something.

[opaque coyote]

Which implies that at least some of them were people that died then "revived"

And it implies that they'll also revive your consciousness purely to suffer. At least enough to literally threaten anybody with it.

Which makes me wonder how far the Imperium can essentially

"""revive"""

You

Is there a limit?

Like the traitor in Darktide gets turned into a Servitor after she got shot

You could say that she wasn't dead yet and was just bleeding out

But assuming that she died. How long can a human body rot away before they can't be Servitorized?

[sly ivy]

Don’t you understand it’s about feeling them in your hands

[heavy breathing]

[outer wave]

I get that but I mean

Its like

Way cheaper

[sacred ginkgo]

Femstodes forced by Amazon idiot in general chat

Kill me

[queen laurel]

say less

[arctic talon]

Me when we have ADB and Abnett both on record saying the black library team wanted to do female custodes but the minis were done already so they decided to do it later

[queen laurel]

if those guys say it that BL wanted to do that for a while now and people still disagree looks like the warhammer fandom really is thick in the head

[opaque coyote]

why the fuck does it even matter anyways

like "oh no, the golden armored people have people with vaginas instead of cocks"

What a tragedy.

GW, the Black Library, even individual writers have made decisions that are actually bad

go whine about those, there's like a lot of em

[cinder pivot]

How far back did the authors mentioned of femstodes?

[arctic talon]

2016?

[shadow plover]

back in 2016? when they redid them

[arctic talon]

Around when we got the Custodes 7e Codex

yeah

[cinder pivot]

holy shit

[arctic talon]

In terms of when custodes became their modern iteration

it happened like a few months after that during an AMA

[shadow plover]

prior they were mostly just background characters in 40k and had some presence in 30k

think the main discussion about having them have women in their ranks was for the heresy books but they already had designed the sculpts and didn't include women in them

[arctic talon]

More so they had literally 0 lore

they got mentioned rarely and had no real actual defined apperance or ability

[shadow plover]

they had from the heresy, a few heresy books with custodes were out before the 7th edition rework

[arctic talon]

though their modern iteration art wise

is from that really old ass card game which based it on John Blanche's art

[shadow plover]

ADB wrote The First Heretic in 2010, I'd wager it was around that time he wanted to include the woman Custodian

It's the first heresy books with proper Custodian characters, no?

Can't recall if Valdor was introduced before it

[arctic talon]

I think so

Valdor was 2020

[shadow plover]

Tales of Heresy might've had a short story about them

[arctic talon]

iirc

[shadow plover]

I'm pretty sure Valdor was introduced way before 2020 though

Yeah Tales of Heresy had Blood Games which was released in 2009 which had the first or one of the first introductions of Valdor

oh did you mean the Valdor book

I was talking about the character itself

[arctic talon]

Oh

yeah my bad lol

war of the beast also had custodes

[shadow plover]

yeah true

never finished that series though

think I read two books

Speaking of Custodians, the last story in Era of Ruin was so fucking good

The Carrion Lord of the Imperium

I hope ADB will write more Warhammer soon

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-gif-3884875785910395886

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/punk-ralsei-ralsei-deltarune-deltarune-chapter-3-ralsei-clap-gif-12204034652465999878

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-soldier-soldier-meet-the-team-gif-5973890219255947351

[cinder pivot]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/46/75/19/46751936aafc321d9fc24f0981e9eccc.jpg

[timid dome]

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[misty vector]

Is there an explanation how the tyranids know about the necron tombs?

[raven stone]

Not really, though there have been cases where it is complete coincidence the Necron Tomb Worlds are genuinely lifeless Dead Worlds.

As in so devoid of life and atmosphere not even Nids would eat it

[queen laurel]

Not really they scout the planet out in multiple ways after all

also that yeah

[raven stone]

Come to think of it, it would be more true to say that the memes came from a misconception.
It is entirely possible Nids seed and invade an Imperial or Tau world, land to eat, which then results in Necrons waking up

[misty vector]

There are no instances of tyranids avoiding a tomb world in the lore?

[celest dome]

A planet that has life but also Necron ? Don't think so

[misty vector]

Ahh weird

Bc there are def memes about specifically that

[celest dome]

Atm the only planet that repulse Tyranids is Necromunda due to the Malstrain Genestealer

[queen laurel]

Yeah because of the rampant mutations of the malt strain they have made their own bastardised version of a hive mind basically

[vagrant fox]

As usual it's a little bit of lore blown totally out of proportion

[raven stone]

Though Necromunda lore does open up the doorway to the fact that Tyranid hive mind can avoid assimilating a planet with life if it feels it will be detrimental to itself - but that requires there being, well, fucked up Tyranids that not even the Hive Mind wants to eat lol.

(On a meta context, it is a bit of clever writing to explain why Necromunda will not be staring down a Nid invasion despite having actual GS Cults for players to play)

[digital glacier]

The existence of messed up Genestealer strains that the Hive mind avoids is an old bit of lore

What with the Ymarl (?) Strain, recognizable for their squid-like heads

[celest dome]

Yes, but they only know that cause the Malstrain are sending a signal like normal GSC but it's "wrong"

[celest dome]

It's new with the Malstrain GSC

[digital glacier]

Yeah, I'm happy they remembered

I love the Genestealers, but don't like the 'Nids much

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/6ojnf0ga/palanite-enforcers-unleash-their-unique-brand-of-justice-with-new-officers-weapons-and-a-book/

[queen laurel]

Holy peak

[rocky gale]

Palanite time

[queen laurel]

wait they're getting an updated rulebook?

holy shit

[digital glacier]

Luv me Enforcers

[tough haven]

More instances of planets with no life and just necrons

Like full tomb worlds

[raven stone]

Holy crap more things to steal for an Agents army...

[rocky gale]

The skull helmet and the half mask on the Sgts are probably the best bits

[radiant lance]

Are all doorways in the 40k universe just extra large? I'm not sure how primarchs and whatnot can conduct business if they literally can't go through the door

[radiant lance]

Can astartes even do building clearing like you'd imagine any urban warfare would need

[storm jungle]

Yes they can.

if theres no door they'll make a hole lol

[raven stone]

I would say they are large in imitation of real life Gothic style architecture. Well, governmental facilities at least.

That and real life dictators have a tendency towards grandiose construction as a physical demonstration of power.

[vagrant fox]

Imperial architecture seems a bit oversized, or they'll make a door

[storm jungle]

^

Again,

[raven stone]

Marines have more than one way to breach a wall, from professional explosives planting, to mimetic dynamic entry crash.