40k-lore-chat

[tough haven]

a little mary sue, but what 40k book isnt

its orks so I love it

[celest willow]

seeing orks get philosophical is somehow enjoyable

I like it when the orks are given depth

[tough haven]

Same

[opaque coyote]

"Bitch I fully know why. I can list off a million reasons. Do you?"

Fucking love it

[celest willow]

might consider reading the book

[opaque coyote]

I should I don't consume much Ork media

[celest willow]

is a good read like interms of comedic value?

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

If you want orks being orks yes

but first of all read Brutal Kunning

this is a sequel

[celest willow]

I like most of the ork's media mostly cause I get tired of the humans being the main character drama babies

[celest dome]

AHHH, having to go to work over the WE

[opaque coyote]

Not even humans

Sphess Martinez

https://tenor.com/view/titus-warhammer-chad-space-marine-2-gif-10665446803840407692

What would be the official species designation for Space Marines anyways

Homo Astartes (lmao)

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[storm jungle]

Adeptus Astartes

they arent a species

lol

[opaque coyote]

watching Arkham Knight Shadows gameplay

God damn do I love the joker when he's actually funny

It's probably not true

But honestly

The game is now fully responsible for my new headcanon

that the joker unironically goes

"honk mimimimimi"

[arctic talon]

Homo sapien rotundus

[opaque coyote]

while sleeping

[opaque coyote]

I mean with how different they are from the baseline

they might as well be

They technically have a method of "reproduction"

not sure ifi t counts though

[storm jungle]

they are not really that different

they are just big extra-organed humans

[soft thunder]

where's this show up in RT anyways? seen it float around alot since the dlc's

[slim pagoda]

It's at the very beginning of one of the starting planets, Rykad Minoris. It looks like this character could be one of the companions because it did start a quest

[soft thunder]

nice, is it arbites dlc exclusive?

[slim pagoda]

I'm not sure yet. I didn't look into the game a huge amount before playing. I got it in this month's Humble Choice. I liked what I was playing, so I went and bought the DLC as well

[storm jungle]

I think it is?

because iirc the arbites companion is also from Tertium

[soft thunder]

oh?

more data for the hoard

[storm jungle]

Take the gooner art elsewhere lol

[slim pagoda]

Dang, witch found

[arctic talon]

Nah it got added with the DT crossover ages ago

Where they added the shovel

Which is a pretty decent early game melee

But worse then a lot of other options bcs 0 synergy

[slim pagoda]

I downloaded that and totally forgot until now. Do you know where to get it? I didn't see it in my quarters

[arctic talon]

You’ll get it eventually I forgot when

It’s like mid to late act 1

[storm jungle]

isnt it like

super OP

[arctic talon]

Its got 0 pen

And falls off a cliff

[storm jungle]

GUH

[arctic talon]

It’s good for fodder

Or if you can buff pen

But it’s damage falls off

[slim pagoda]

Thanks! Can't wait to shovel the graves of my enemies

[arctic talon]

Imo it’s a great weapon for early to mid act 2

Also it’s funny

[celest willow]

they are still homo sapians

the ogryns on the other hand are a sp

but psykers aren't they are just a mutation

[sly ivy]

Yes send 2 me

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-yakuza-can-you-shut-up-shut-your-mouth-gif-9966065835841311517

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/siegfried-gbvs-gbvsr-die-verdrängen-gif-17943989853454082534

[near wasp]

How strong are patriarchs

(here comes the strong enough for plot answer)

[storm jungle]

They are very strong

like enough to wipe out a deathwatch squad

or like a pack of termies

[arctic talon]

Excluding plot armor stuff

Very

[storm jungle]

but as ever yes if the plot demands it yeah some blokes can solo it

[arctic talon]

They can tear a tank apart

Also they’re psykers

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are literally a mega-genestealer

and like very big

[arctic talon]

People forget patriarchs are psykers

Specializing in mental manipulation

One of them in I forgot what codex or novel

Almost makes a marine shoot himself

[celest willow]

they can still get bashed by a ogryn

[storm jungle]

no lol

[arctic talon]

I mean no

[storm jungle]

ogryns never get that plot armor

[arctic talon]

The ogryn is dead before it can swing

Lol

GW has that shit happen to plot armor stuff as well

[celest willow]

isnt there a book about one getting clubbed by like 5

[arctic talon]

Like marines and custodes

[celest willow]

or was that another nid

[arctic talon]

Prolly a normal genestealer

[storm jungle]

Thats a normal genestealer

a patriarch is as big as a fucking tank

lmao

[arctic talon]

Let me

Get a size comparison

BRB

[celest willow]

a normal one is a patri no?

all genestlears are hybrids or patriarchs

[arctic talon]

No

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/62/Patriarch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180215061625

This is a patriarch

[near wasp]

Or is pure strain and patriarch different

[arctic talon]

Purestrains can become a patriarch under the right conditions

Otherwise no

Purestrains are not psykers like a patriarch

[digital glacier]

What about a Darktide Ogryn?

[storm jungle]

no

[celest willow]

nah id win

[arctic talon]

Aura farming ogryn wins

Dodge spam block

Jokes aside lore wise

Prolly not

A patriarch kills like 5 custodes

And 3 sisters of silence easily

[digital glacier]

Slap lock that patriarch into submission!

[arctic talon]

Lol

[near wasp]

No way

[storm jungle]

A Patriarch is a foudner of a genestealer cult that gradually grows and grows in strenght and size over generations

[arctic talon]

Yes

The patriarch fucking tears a custodes in termie armor in half

It’s hanging off the roof

[near wasp]

Oh so a recent born one would be fairly weak

[arctic talon]

Yes

[celest willow]

I could see it dying with one las gun shot

[near wasp]

Goood

[celest willow]

like look at that fleshy head

[arctic talon]

That’s not flesh

[storm jungle]

Well no

even a basic genestealer is dangerous

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

and can kill a terminator lol

their claws rae made of like diamond sor some shit

[arctic talon]

I think people forget how scary genestealers are

They’re fast as fuck

And can tear apart tanks

[near wasp]

Well weak compared to an old partiarch

[arctic talon]

It’s some unobtainum nid material

[celest willow]

partiarchs can sometimes be obese

[arctic talon]

It’s like bonesword

Shit just cuts

[celest willow]

tbh genestealer powerscaling is wacky

[arctic talon]

Not really

[celest willow]

it really depends on who is writing the book

[arctic talon]

Normal Purestrains have a simple rule

Pretty squishy

Fucking tear everything apart in melee

Fast as fuck

Broodlords and patriarchs start getting fucky

Due to age differences and strains

[celest willow]

the hell is a brood lord

[arctic talon]

The nid hivemind can cause spontaneous mutation in a purestrain

Causing it to take a patriarch like appearance and abilities

[celest willow]

so like a ant gamergate

[arctic talon]

Tldr patriarch but not really

What

[near wasp]

I'm just trying to reason a super geared out inquisitor 1v1 a young patriarch that infiltrated a ship. But that's seeming less possible

[arctic talon]

Have it be a genestealer that’s infected several people

You can get something similar to a patriarch

Without the patriarch

[storm jungle]

Just have more firepower

[celest willow]

a ant gamergate is when a worker turns into a pseudo-queen happens in a few sp

[arctic talon]

That also

Give them a melta

[storm jungle]

patriarchs die to a lot of dumb shit in lore

lol

[arctic talon]

Me when mining laser

Lol

[near wasp]

I mean lightning claws and bolter?

[arctic talon]

I mean it’s a power weapon

They’ll cut fine

[near wasp]

Kay

Just trying not to make my own character a super op Gary sue

[storm jungle]

Just dont over explain it and have proper weaponry and its fine

I once had a Chapter Master of my Marines try to duel an Avatar of Khaine

and uhhh

[near wasp]

And proper defensives

[storm jungle]

the moment he got into duelling range

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

he melted from the heat of the Avatar to a puddle of blood

💀

[near wasp]

Oh God EMP

[storm jungle]

I wanted to be a bit "realistic" so thought fuck it why not

[celest willow]

tbh warhammer has unique writing that one hammer and bolter episode with the trench lines ahem ahem

[storm jungle]

What is it.

[celest willow]

huh?

[near wasp]

Power armor along with an refractor field should help

[storm jungle]

What are you saying

[arctic talon]

Refractor fields my GOAT

[celest willow]

there is a scene in hammer and bolter where guardsmen get in melee range of a crippled nid in there trench and keep shooting it in its armour while they drop like flies

it was so braindead

[storm jungle]

Lmao to be fair they get murdered like en-masse

so its mostly fair

its braindead when its like... the other side doing basically nothing

[celest willow]

I hate how GW always makes guardsmen aim at the carapace of nids to make the scene more dramatic

[arctic talon]

Nids are armored all around tbf

It’s all carapace

[near wasp]

Some parts are more heavily armored but yeah

[celest willow]

am talking about these fellas

[arctic talon]

Yes

That is all armor

Explicitly

[celest willow]

like bruh look at it

[near wasp]

Some of its thicker

[arctic talon]

The stuff on the back is just more armor

[celest willow]

yeah but would you shoot the white shoot me parts

[arctic talon]

But the rest of the gaunt is armored

[celest willow]

or the hard carapace

[fervent gull]

what kind of daemon is inside the daemonhosts? If not certain can you make a guess?

[arctic talon]

Likely a plaguebearer

Or some form of minor nurgle daemon

[fervent gull]

holy shit

[near wasp]

Idk if it's a plaugebearer

[arctic talon]

It’s unlikely to be anything bigger

Imo it’s not a super strong daemon

[near wasp]

Because there's a distinct lack of counting

[arctic talon]

Since the dameonhost is trying to remain in control

[fervent gull]

didn't know plaguebearers were that powerful

[arctic talon]

I mean

Daemons in lore are kind of fuckin spooky

[near wasp]

Depends on the tides of the warp and that daemons favor

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[young pecan]

Plaguebearers are that strong individually?

[arctic talon]

Plaguebearers are literally a match for marines in melee

[young pecan]

I guess them being pathetic in TWH made me think otherwise

[arctic talon]

Or aspect warriors

In whfb they’re stronger then chaos warriors

[fervent gull]

holy shit

[digital glacier]

Lmao, how predictable

[arctic talon]

Though TWH’s balance is jank as fuck

Lore wise

But it’s fun

[young pecan]

True

[celest willow]

they are simultaneously the most horrifying and silly thing to face

[arctic talon]

Daemons are kind of incomprehensible bullshit in lore

Because their attacks ignore your armor mostly

And they’re durable as fuck

[digital glacier]

Daemons are extremely strong in lore

[arctic talon]

You need to fight them in melee often

Which uh

is what they want

The upside is that each of them has some, somewhat

[celest willow]

hey dont they get nerfed if you believe they are not real?

[arctic talon]

No

I mean it might annoy them slightly

[digital glacier]

Like a platoon of Guardsmen vs 1 lesser Demon is going to be a nightmare

[arctic talon]

Well

Not that much

Lol

[near wasp]

A platoon can gun down a daemon

[arctic talon]

^

We see it in plenty of books

[near wasp]

Just by volume of fire

[digital glacier]

Daemons can teleport

[arctic talon]

And also codexes

Depends on the type

[celest willow]

iirc killing one while truly understanding it's nature stops it from ever comming back

[fervent gull]

I don't think you not believing into that literall hellspawn doesn't exist in your mind will make much of a difference

[arctic talon]

It doesn’t

[digital glacier]

Good luck doing that!

[arctic talon]

There’s other ways to perma kill then

[near wasp]

A greater daemon of khorne manivestd on a battle field only to be vaporized by a bunch of tanks

[arctic talon]

But mass firepower is the best answer to daemons

For humans

But a squad of guardsmen would not have a great time against a plague bearer or something

They’d be in pain from the aura of decay

[digital glacier]

Agreed, essentially almost every threat for humans is best engaged at range

[arctic talon]

And the plague bearer would be durable

The upside is

[celest willow]

tbh that "hellspawn" is just a illusion made by the mass of human minds

[arctic talon]

MELTA

[digital glacier]

Point being?

[arctic talon]

Bile literally admits he’s wrong about his opinion earlier on by the end of his series lol

[near wasp]

Meltas solve like every problem

[arctic talon]

Which is funny

[fervent gull]

what about chaos spawns? Are they below in terms of power compared to lesser demons?

[arctic talon]

Chaos spawn vary wildly

[celest willow]

then how the hell did bro survive slaneesh?

[arctic talon]

Because he’s slaanesh’s toy

[near wasp]

They can be strong or weak depending on the mix of blessings

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh likes bile

Lol

Bile is a wonderful follower of slaanesh

[fervent gull]

so ultimately khorne is just there to watch his bloodthirster hologram?

[digital glacier]

I haven't read those books, but I know of that scene, and I'd say it's because Slaanesh wanted him to escape

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh blows up one of Biles heart to tug on his leash a bit

[fervent gull]

I don't get it

[celest willow]

also didnt daemons off themselves bc they didnt want to get perma killied by him?

[arctic talon]

No

That was against guilliman and guilliman had the emperors sword

Which is anti daemonic

And destroys their essence

[fervent gull]

can they be more powerfull than daemons?

[arctic talon]

Lesser yes, greater no

Chaos spawn vary a ton though

Some chaos spawn get really strong

[digital glacier]

Chaos Spawn are “monster” level so yes they're stronger than your average lesser Daemon

[arctic talon]

Some chaos spawn are pathetic and non functional

Due to the mutations and blessings

[celest willow]

khrone is a personification of rage/anger/bloodlust/honour made form through the minds of beings who have a psychic presence

[near wasp]

Poor septicus

[arctic talon]

Mfw no legs

The entire point about Biles thing on chaos gods

[fervent gull]

Then isn't like almost impossible for imperium to stop a daemon incursion or invasion?

[arctic talon]

Is that he’s fucking wrong

And that chaos is incomprehensible and unexplainable in the way he’s trying to quantify them

[arctic talon]

After a certain point yes

But before then no

[fervent gull]

so the blood guy is a big red hologram

great

[digital glacier]

The Gods have clearly atteigned sentience

[arctic talon]

No, they’re a manifestation of every species rage/anger/hate/war/violence

They’ve become self sustaining

[fervent gull]

what would they need to stop the early stages?

[arctic talon]

Seal the tear in the immaterium

[near wasp]

Prayer and flamer

[digital glacier]

Which is completely against Bile's world view that almost views them like natural phenomena like storms

[arctic talon]

Kill daemons and the people no making it worse

[fervent gull]

can they stop it just with the guard's power?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Big guns

Never tire

[fervent gull]

hm

[arctic talon]

Minor daemonic incursions can be dealt with by the guard

[digital glacier]

Fighting the God of violence with violence

[arctic talon]

I mean it’ll fucking suck

[digital glacier]

Perfect plan!

[arctic talon]

But it’s doable

[near wasp]

Just don't melee

[arctic talon]

Well he changes his worldview by the end of the trilogy lol

[fervent gull]

there are categorisations for daemonic incursions?

[arctic talon]

Which is fun

[celest willow]

no more like the warp is a ocean and each creature's soul is a teaspoon if a bunch of teaspoons are affected by something they can change the collective

[arctic talon]

Yes

There’s different “levels” to it

[digital glacier]

Whoops 3 bloodletters squads just teleported behind your gunline!

[fervent gull]

can you explain or if there is a link explaining can you share it?

[arctic talon]

Culminating in a full blown tear into the veil

[celest willow]

basically khrone is a manifestation of emotions due to a bunch of physic beings fueling him

[near wasp]

Call artillery on your own position

[arctic talon]

I can explain it, this is mostly from the 8e codex

Daemonic incursion severity basically depends on how big the tear in the veil between the warp and reality is

[fervent gull]

Yeah Ik what a chaos god is but I think from sleepiness my mind can't comprehend your points or the concept

[arctic talon]

Said tear in the veil can be made bigger or smaller

[near wasp]

Wow I really do think like an Inquisitor xD

[arctic talon]

By doing specific things

[celest willow]

yk the best way to beat chaos would literally just be free healthcare

[fervent gull]

[arctic talon]

Chaos forced often try to tear open these holes in the veil to manifest daemons, but they naturally seal over time

[fervent gull]

imperium would go bankrupt

[arctic talon]

Rituals or other forms of sacrifice are required to maintain them long term

[fervent gull]

the instant they do that

[near wasp]

Or a greater daemon

[arctic talon]

Sometimes cults will just weaken the veil rather then tearing it

So they can make a bigger hole at once

Once you get something like a greater daemon or daemon prince through

[fervent gull]

hm

[celest willow]

how will the ecclesiarchy afford their golden sheet tissue paper 😔

[arctic talon]

The tear in the veil becomes self sustaining

Due to all the energy pouring out of the warp into the greater daemon or daemon prince

A herald can make a big tear but it won’t be self sustaining in the same way

[digital glacier]

Somehow, I don't think it's that simple

[arctic talon]

Once a greater daemon or daemon prince is loose

[storm jungle]

Its like asking for life to not be shit

[arctic talon]

Shit becomes complicated lol

You NEED to kill them

Or else it’ll get worse and worse

[fervent gull]

so they need a powerfull deaemon to power the gate and the gate to power the daemon

if the cult wants to fuck the planet up

[celest willow]

it kinda is better life conditions mean less negative emotions to fuel chaos

[arctic talon]

You can in theory seal the tear while the powerful daemon is manifested

With specific equipment or psykers of sufficient skill

[near wasp]

All emotions feed chaos

[arctic talon]

The problem is the chaos forces will often be trying to force it open bigger

[near wasp]

Even the good ones

[fervent gull]

by interrupting the ritual?

[arctic talon]

No, by doing your own ritual

Interrupting it works

[celest willow]

yes but chaos depends on the negative ones the most

[arctic talon]

But it’s less effective

[storm jungle]

Negative ones feed it the most

[fervent gull]

hm

[arctic talon]

Let’s say Blobicus herald of nurgle has manifested

[fervent gull]

so you can do counter magic to close the gate?

[arctic talon]

Blobicus wants his boss Foulicus a great unclean one to get through

[near wasp]

I mean yeah of course but ya know

[arctic talon]

Unfortunately there’s a bunch of imperial psykers actively closing up the hole in the veil making blobicus and his daemon buddies weaker

Blobicus has 3 options, start more rituals, kill the imperial psykers, or do something that will destabilize the veil

[fervent gull]

Oh I see

[near wasp]

Corrupt the psykers

Easy dub

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also works

[celest willow]

imma be honest I still think Bile got a point like atleast he is kinda correct

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

Bile is wrong

[storm jungle]

he isnt

[arctic talon]

He is literally wrong

[storm jungle]

hes a hypocrite

he just has you because hes charismatic

[arctic talon]

I mean

He admits he’s wrong

In the last book of his trilogy

[celest willow]

he wear leather made out of human skin bruh

[arctic talon]

He just doesn’t care and will continue to try and deny the gods being gods

[near wasp]

He is an member of the third legion after all

[arctic talon]

Biles ego is huge

[celest willow]

not bc a character says something it is correct

[arctic talon]

Because his perspective changes

He learns more, knows more

[fervent gull]

Thx for the info@arctic talon , understanding the power level sometimes is so hard in this lore

[arctic talon]

It’s less power level more just

How the warp works

[celest willow]

ok but the emperor himself tried to avoid letting people not know of chaos

[fervent gull]

No I meant how powerfull the daemons are

[arctic talon]

Oh

[fervent gull]

Our first topic I mean

[storm jungle]

Yeah hes a gigachad

I mean uh-

[fervent gull]

Thx for that too

[arctic talon]

Well yeah chaos is inherently corrupting

[fervent gull]

Anyways gn chat

[arctic talon]

Gn

[celest willow]

it gains power from you acknowledging it yeah a single person might not do much but a a whole planet or a group of skilled psykers might be able to do something

[arctic talon]

Dilara do you have the

[storm jungle]

Its an allegory for capitalism

eat your boss

NOW

[arctic talon]

nurgle is displeased

Excerpt

[storm jungle]

oh man that is an oldie

hold on

[arctic talon]

It’s extremely funny

[arctic talon]

Chaos will do something to deal with it before it becomes an issue is the thing

Or rather one of the many chaos aligned entities will

[celest willow]

more like gw wont let that happen cause the chaos figurines might aswell be money printers

[arctic talon]

Well no shit

[storm jungle]

A single planet wouldnt do jack.

[arctic talon]

But I’m talking about in universe

^

[storm jungle]

lik

[arctic talon]

The chaos gods would still fuck with it as an example

Lol

[storm jungle]

this is the entire milky way galaxy

with over 400 billion planets

[celest willow]

it would still atleast protect the planet

maybe a lil

[arctic talon]

It would not

[storm jungle]

No

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

die time

[arctic talon]

The planet would get fucked

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-come-at-me-provoke-picking-a-fight-the-summoning-gif-11565847

[arctic talon]

By chaos

[celest willow]

damn at this point you might aswell genetically modify everyone to be a blank or something

[rocky gale]

I will stop the 30ft tall murder demon by simply not believing in it

[arctic talon]

[young pecan]

daemon*

[rocky gale]

Sorry was too busy not believing

[celest willow]

imagine all the corpse starch we could get😋

just purge every human with a slight psychic presence

[storm jungle]

Time to start with you

🫵

[near wasp]

That won't work

Humanity is having a massive psychic awakening

[celest willow]

ok aslong as I get to pick what flavour of corpse stratch I get to be

[near wasp]

There aren't flavors

[young pecan]

You get to pick from the only flavor that there is

[near wasp]

Your an emergency ration you taste bad

[celest willow]

I was referencing a meme

[young pecan]

Human Hot Dog Mush

[near wasp]

I feel like a scribe after a 12 hour shift and I'm 4 shots in my brain isn't functioning enough for memes

[celest willow]

bruh sleep

[near wasp]

No

[celest willow]

WH40K lore aint worth it

[near wasp]

I just got off work

Like an hour ago

It ain't even 5 yet

[celest willow]

damn hope you get a good vacation soon

[near wasp]

Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha

[celest willow]

ay I said hope

[near wasp]

I just had a vacation and honestly it wasn't enough

I'm auditing a new program for work and so in addition to my normal duties I'm doing something so 🧠numbing. My ADHD/tism doesn't mesh well

But at least I have my 40k obsession to save me

[celest willow]

damn best of luck with that

[near wasp]

Only in death does duty end

And brother I ain't dead

Anyways did chickens survive the age of strife

Cause I know cows and pigs did

[vagrant fox]

I think chickens are mentioned in a space wolf novel

One of the halfway old ones

[late osprey]

Yall think chapters with left-handed space marines have special bolter patterns for them or do they just have a different technique

[sacred ginkgo]

Aren't bolters not primary hand specific?

[late osprey]

The Darktide one isn't, but Space Marines one seem to be

[vagrant fox]

They're just ambidextrous, their most gary stu trait

[digital glacier]

Indeed, imagine losing your arm

You'd need to be able to fight with the other!

[arctic talon]

Iirc marines are trained to be ambiextrious

I know aspect warriors and tempestus scions are

So it would be weird if marines didn’t lol

[vagrant fox]

Sometimes they seem to have a hand they prefer but I'm 99% they're ambidextrous

[near wasp]

be kinda weird for a super soldier to not be

[noble bear]

do machine spirits actually exist in 40k or is it something that the machine cult wrongfully believes or some other third thing (they do exist but the cult is wrong about their nature)

[storm jungle]

1. They exist.

2. Its left up in the air on what their true nature is. Its either:

• Actual Machine Spirit
• Leftover AI
• Effects of the Void Dragon beneath Mars

[noble bear]

thanks

[storm jungle]

its like this so any author writing them can do what they want

[median star]

so cawl is 10k years old right are their any notable tech priest that went traitor that have survived that long aswell

[storm jungle]

Maybe, none are named.

Next question.

[outer wave]

Can tech priests have children as a way to bolster their numbers in a cult? Is it only through people that find interest in the cult?

[storm jungle]

Yeah they can.

its allowed

sometimes they vatgrow them sometimes its done the traditional way, etc

[median star]

ur probably vat grown me thinks

[outer wave]

I would've imagined most outside of the Biologis department (or cult, idk) would've found traditional sex to be kinda icky

Interesting though

[storm jungle]

you'd know tomatobrain

[storm jungle]

As ever "it depends"

I need to make this a sticker lmao

[outer wave]

God dammit, too many variables with that

But valid

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

the issue is the imperium is fractured

and every planet/group has their own culture

lmao

its like asking "how do asian people act here"

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-recruiter-squid-game-squid-game-recruiter-recruiter-netflix-gif-9791775873027203760

[outer wave]

Me at work

Make me a bit whiter though

[storm jungle]

same

[crystal forum]

im too white

the sun is my enemy

red head sucks sometimes

[outer wave]

I'm pretty creamy

As in: half white, half yellow

Then I stay inside

To give myself a slightly pale complexion

[median star]

[outer wave]

IM CREAM COLOURED THAT IS MY SKI--

[median star]

tell it to the council buddy

[outer wave]

Don't buddy me, pal

[crystal forum]

my version of tanning is becoming redder

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/484110753297727488/1391230220769558548/-5142362826869483697.mov?ex=686b239c&is=6869d21c&hm=0b52c2e2d1b5d99bce0e5a1a33fc6a47a3cf7744e02fe1348e6d6dd2174b67e7&

[storm jungle]

Excellent

now to ask the admins

[outer wave]

Good luck!

[storm jungle]

My reign of terror shall hopefully begin soon

[outer wave]

We've had French Reign of Terror, prepare for

Darktide server Reign of Terror

[storm jungle]

[sour hornet]

???

Pause

[storm jungle]

No. Fast forward.

⏩

[outer wave]

Dammit don't skip this important lore piece abo--

[arctic talon]

Vat growing primarily, some tech priests keep those organs for sex but it’s seen as inefficent among the priesthood

Mostly due to the risks of child birth

A biologis during the heresy has a whole, spiel to a Princeps when she gets pregnant

About how she will suffer

[outer wave]

Wait, their tech should be advanced enough to make child birth less painful

They could've just widened the hips to allow smoother passage of the child without much pain

[arctic talon]

They could, but the princeps wants to do it the “normal” way, which the biologis basically calls her weird for

[outer wave]

Ohhh its not the tech priest that's getting pregnant, its the Princeps

It's a bit more understandable then

[dapper gyro]

It is always funny how the princeps are usually less augmented.

[arctic talon]

Lemme find the way they describe it

[dapper gyro]

Or the imperial knight pilots, among other similar positions.

[arctic talon]

There would be pain. Ruptures. Potential organ damage. Parts of her that she would rather a knife never come near might need to be cut to facilitate the birth. She could even die.

‘It all serves a purpose, of course. It is a right of passage. The pain will activate certain chemical processes within you that will bond you and make rearing the infant easier.’
‘I will love it’, she said, ‘because it will hurt me?’ It sounded ridiculous. His explanation probably was, but she would love it, she knew. She felt it as surely as a star warms its planets and brings forth life from the sea. The Machine-God decreed it to be so.
‘A crude and imprecise way of encapsuling the marvels of neurochemistry’, said the magos aloofly, ‘but if you prefer, then yes, you will.’

[dapper gyro]

Sounds like a bad fanfic...

[arctic talon]

It is still alien to her since her only other exposure to child birth is vat growing

[outer wave]

Thats some faith(?) the princeps has for some reason

Ahhhh

[arctic talon]

Most of the novel is about titans blowing each other up

So

Eh

[late osprey]

What color are Imperial Guard fatigues?

[arctic talon]

You will be stuck down by the departmento munitorum for this

[tough haven]

Whats this from?

[arctic talon]

Titandeath

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

I hate all titan fans and their existence

🫡

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

"Omagerd all titans should be as big as hive cities and reach past the clouds"

fucking morons lol

[arctic talon]

You don’t even like eldar titans?

Smh

Can’t believe it

[storm jungle]

you know what I mean >:l

[outer wave]

She hates big robots....

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

I cant believe shes not a mech fan.....

[arctic talon]

I hate these people lol

[storm jungle]

my issue is right

people legit do not understand

how fucking big even 50m is

[arctic talon]

How big things are

Lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

[arctic talon]

People do not comprehend scale properly sometimes

[storm jungle]

people see this and go "that imperator is small"

bro

have you stood next to the Empire Stats building

or the Eiffel Tower

lmao

[arctic talon]

I haven’t either

[storm jungle]

I have

[arctic talon]

But I have a fucking idea

Lol

[storm jungle]

and like

even that MIDDLE part is fucking enormous

[arctic talon]

I’d assume so

That shit was the tallest building in the world for a while

Also titans aren’t slow

So

[storm jungle]

yeah this is still a good size chart

i always use it

[arctic talon]

Mfw the warhound is running at me fucking full sprint

[outer wave]

You know, there should be an ork warband that makes a machine so big that it collapses under its own weight because it was touching the clouds kinda big

[storm jungle]

so funny thing

[arctic talon]

That exists

[storm jungle]

ork titans are actually more plausible

[arctic talon]

It was in Gorka Morka

[storm jungle]

due to the way they are built lol

[arctic talon]

Also yeah ork titans are on treads

Normally as well

Or are super wide

[outer wave]

Orks really like their treads with ork titans Ive noticed

Or at least make them so that they kinda waddle about

[storm jungle]

Oh hey, an actual hive worker lol

thats funny

[median star]

what do yall think terras largest export might be

[storm jungle]

Terra has no exports.

It only takes imports and consumes.

[median star]

damn usless planet smh

[storm jungle]

Just like taxes.

Next question

[median star]

are their any remains of the psykers that get juiced and if so do they do anything w them

[storm jungle]

They get completely vaporized.

[median star]

wonder if it feels good

[storm jungle]

no lol

[median star]

proof

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/e73vyz/book_excerptmaster_of_mankind_skoia_the_psyker/

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-skipper-can-you-read-gif-22646390

[median star]

maybe he was a big liar

maybe it felt great

[median star]

also this isnt the lex fake news smh

[storm jungle]

its an excerpt from an official book you yakubian ape

Next question

[late osprey]

Sorry! 🛑 The Books 📖 are no 🚫 longer considered canon!

[arctic talon]

The powder is useful for some applications

That’s about it

[sacred ginkgo]

Astropaths

[arctic talon]

Psyk out stuff

[tough haven]

psykhana facilities arent on terra

[sacred ginkgo]

But they have to actually see the emperor right

[tough haven]

Only to soulbind

and not all are soulbound

sanctioned psyker really only means training and strength, soulbinding is not necessary for the process, though it is preferable

[storm jungle]

Yeah astropaths are not really a "supply" material

[median star]

seeing a video claiming grendyl might be an agent of the eyes of the emperor

yea ok

[arctic talon]

Psyk out is the closest it gets to an exclusive resource

But even then there’s alternatives

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dapper gyro]

Lol

[arctic talon]

Our evidence for that being?

He’s old?

[median star]

nothing really guy just says wow the warband actually works only the mastermind of a custodes could make this work

https://youtu.be/0woojGOTL5U?si=wXxV1tRvb0LBcneL

[arctic talon]

Oh it’s this dude

Lmao

[median star]

like halfway or 3/4 way through when he talks abt it

[arctic talon]

This dudes a hack

I got a good quote about him

[median star]

hes just major kill but if he wasnt australian basically

[arctic talon]

Well I suppose hack is the wrong wors

[arctic talon]

He’s actually accurate more

But he still lies

[median star]

atleast he doesnt have a grating voice

[arctic talon]

Good quote on them

Anyways, they’re more accurate then a lot of the YouTube lore slop

But they still exaggerate and make shit up

Without saying it’s made up

[median star]

only 40k tubers i like are mr.bones and vox in the void anyway

[arctic talon]

I recommend Arbitrator Ian

My GOAT

[tough haven]

What is it?

[arctic talon]

The one I forwarded

[tough haven]

I see it now

[rose thorn]

it is a 40k youtuber lmao

[arctic talon]

Some of them are good

Smh

Arbitrator Ian

Oculus Imperia

Some Painter and hobbiests

Halo device got a new design in RT

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh nice

It was weird having it be a weird rock despite being described as a beetle

[cinder pivot]

spoopy

the new design

[queen laurel]

looks like a damn metal HEART

[arctic talon]

I like how it looks

[arctic talon]

The much creepier design works a lot better tbh

Now it looks like a messed up bug

[crystal forum]

Halo in 40k really is just the most terrifying word ever

[arctic talon]

Halo stars

Truly a “wonderful” place

Whatever the fuck The Harrowing was is fun

Hope GW never elaborates on it since that’s part of the fun of it

[sacred ginkgo]

Surprised they don't say toss it into the sun now that I'm re-reading the description

[crystal forum]

that's literally most lore

[arctic talon]

No but like the point is they’re not meant to be elaborated on

They’re from some parallel dimension

And killed a bunch of people

Horribly

[crystal forum]

bruh

[arctic talon]

Not the warp

Explicitly

[crystal forum]

it's like those xenos in the first eisenhorn book

who could make pocket dimensions for no reason

[arctic talon]

They were locked in a metaphorical vault by the long dead xenos species

That occupied the Halo stars

[crystal forum]

random xenos species having better tech than eldar

[arctic talon]

Better tech is incorrect

They were just inherently like that

They violated the laws of physics and the reality of the 40k universe because they didn’t “belong”

So to speak

Anyways they got sealed away with some combination of xeno tech and DAOT stuff

By radical inqusitors

[young pecan]

Do we know if chaos actually wants to win or if they want to keep the universe in a violent 'balance' to farm mortal emotions?

[lilac dagger]

I’m have to go with option 2

[young pecan]

I can see either one working

[lilac dagger]

After all a war that last for a long time is what Nurgle need to gain more power

[arctic talon]

Mix of both

It depends day to day

[lilac dagger]

Speaking of do you think that later on we might encounter a Nurgle empowered Rinda Karnak well later in the game.

[arctic talon]

Maybe

I think it would be fun if someone became a daemon prince

At some point

Entirely because I think it would be cool

Still kinda sad they killed off Rodin so early

[young pecan]

No GUO today, sorry stinky

May you live on in all the randomly-generated plasma/bomb captains in havoc

[celest dome]

Dark Communion is/was meant to revive him according to the Dev Blog about it

[languid meadow]

his ass is 100% coming back in some fucked up twisted way

[burnt snow]

Most of the hive city is just living as normal right

Or have the nurgle shenanigans spread to the rest of tertium

[celest dome]

It's certain that there some cult shenanigans in sectors we aren't in.
And it's severe enough that the Tithe is currently blocked.
But it's not like Tertium is lost just yet

[digital glacier]

It's a war
Even during war people away from the front lines live as they normally should, even with more strain

[storm jungle]

^

[raven stone]

It actually makes sense that there will be parts of the Hive not too affected, given how big a Hive city is

[rocky gale]

Highly likely that parts of the Hive don't even know there's a war going on

Like that scene from Chernobyl where the old guy is just like "Tell them nothing, let them keep their mind on their labour"

[green loom]

War doesn't actually change imperial life all that much

They're already pretty much living under martial law so

[sacred bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGLmYISRMzQ

chat is this true

[queen laurel]

false, next question

[storm jungle]

midwinter minis

YEET

[celest dome]

Wait is it in French or is there some AI translation bullshit ?

[storm jungle]

Nah its a proper channel

this is the guy that complains about how his wife left him while painting minis

lmaoooo

[rocky gale]

It's a social experiment apparently, he made a video saying Warhammer is the worst it's ever been and one saying it's the best it's ever been and checking to see which is YouTube promotes more

[storm jungle]

KEK

[hallow saddle]

Yeah midwinter minis is a twat

[storm jungle]

thats very funny considering how Midwinter minis is with context lmao

yeah exactly

[raven stone]

What the fuck, why would one throw a wife away to paint minis...

[simple sparrow]

In every fandom content creators always seem to make the “xyz is dying” or “xyz is the worst it’s ever been” videos

I feel like it’s just engagement farming

[rocky gale]

The "It's the worst" vid has double the views of the other

[celest dome]

Doomcalling is good for engagement afaik

[simple sparrow]

Btw how does a cacti become a heretic

[rocky gale]

Yea like if you post a video saying "It's the best it's ever been" only people who agree with you are going to watch it, but if you make a video saying it's awful people who agree are going to watch it and people who disagree are also going to watch it and argue with you.

[celest dome]

Be plant
Be spicky
Become a Chaos element

Everything with spikes are Chaos elements

[storm jungle]

40k is rife with these people

because they hate how the hobby is "changing"

AKA translation:

[simple sparrow]

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/hedgehog-gif-26256018

[storm jungle]

getting more fans thus therefore bad

[celest dome]

Tzeentchian Magos on a Disk of Tzeentch

[queen laurel]

bro they be matching the conservativeness of the imperium for real for real

[sacred bluff]

i love making the purist triggered by supporting female custodes/space marines

[storm jungle]

No need for that.

and that will do enough

[sacred bluff]

LOL

[queen laurel]

nah you don't need to do all of that just say these words

Matt ward is actually great

[sacred bluff]

i got my world eater from joytoy and i had to pick the black one cause he's the coolest

i know people got triggered with any color

[rocky gale]

I can enjoy Warhammer with a group of varied group people that I enjoy being around in cafes and public spaces instead of having to hang out with Irvin in his mums basement like in the good old days, Warhammer is truly dieing.

[storm jungle]

bro you should have seen when the space wolf minis got released

"WHY IS THERE A BLACK ONE"

[simple sparrow]

What amazes me about sci fi and fantasy is that there’s like all these different races and magic and demons and fantastical creatures and completely different worlds and people still get triggered if a character happens to be gay or black

[storm jungle]

Yeah that is the most hilarious part like who gives a shit

[sacred bluff]

i love making white men angry!!

[sacred bluff]

what amazes me is that GW has the stones to steal so much from others to create this universe, then become so strict with their IP...

[digital glacier]

Yup!

[queen laurel]

like you're telling me the giant intergalactic empire only has one race?

humans live in one planet and there are literally multiple types of us

so why the hell are you genuinely mad at a intergalactic empire having more than one type of human?

[digital glacier]

Moorcock gave them his blessing to use his concept of Chaos and the Eight pointed star and GW repaid him by taking sole ownership of those concepts

Eh?

Someone specific?

[simple sparrow]

I feel like that’s how some people are lol

In these fandoms

[celest dome]

The wheel of Chaos isn't under ownership from GW ?

[digital glacier]

No it is

[celest dome]

It's public domain now

[digital glacier]

Ah nevermind

I thought they had a copyright over it

[celest dome]

That wouldn't be possible

Certain design of wheel/star of Chaos may be under ownership though

[simple sparrow]

So back to my question whenever I see cacti I should automatically assume they’re agents of chaos?

Cuz they’re spiky

[storm jungle]

They may possibly have copyright over like a modified version of it since its sometimes listed in their IP textwall on the bottom of animations and trailers and such.

But also like yeah its public domain, its just corpos being corpos

Im pretty sure moorcock didnt give them any blessing, he was on quote as saying something akin to "Lol they can do what they want I guess, I dont really care"

warhammer in general stole a lot from him

[digital glacier]

I've heard he's become somewhat more bitter about it in more recent comments, which is understandable seeing GW's later behavior

[storm jungle]

Yeah Moorcock inventd the entire dark high fantasy genre to some extent.

Hes extremely uncredited while inspiring a ton of IPs

same with the whole Order vs Chaos concept

[sharp pollen]

playing rogue trader and one character said "i wish there was sgt Davian from Tertium..." wtf 😭

"from atoma prime" ahhhhhh you... YOUUU

unexpected

[storm jungle]

[sly ivy]

I believe our mutual cousins the ancient Iranians were pretty on point w order vs chaos in like 2000 bc

Thus spoke Zarathustra

[digital glacier]

Wasn't it more about Light vs Darkness

[storm jungle]

nah its Order/Chaos

wait nvm its "Law", but its basically the same thing anyway lol

https://stormbringer.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmic_Balance

[celest dome]

Tbf, there were the (Chaos) God of Law in BF

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Gods_of_Law

[storm jungle]

Well yeah where do you think they got the idea

and how it went nowhere

lmao

[digital glacier]

I was speaking about Zoroastianism

[celest dome]

Ye, but it was also initially Law/Chaos in warhammer too

[storm jungle]

Im talking about in modern media

not ancient history

good vs evil has always been a concept

[digital glacier]

And fun fact, the Daemons of Law eventually became one of the sources for Stormcast Eternals

[celest dome]

Tbf, I'm not sure if that's a bad thing

[storm jungle]

It probably isnt

Warhammer is suppose to be hopeless

[celest dome]

Huh, never heard of that

[storm jungle]

generally at least

also we got Order now in AOS which is good

[digital glacier]

The Gods of Law were pretty bad when taken to excess

[storm jungle]

Thats the same with Moorcock's stuff.

there has to be a balance

its why I like how in AOS Order is also pretty bad lol

[celest dome]

I remember Stormcast being something that initially was going to happen to BF\Empire, but not tied to the God of Law, just something that Karl Franz plans to face Chaos

[queen laurel]

Not only that we also have two types of forces instead of chaos and order

If you don't want chaos and order you don't want chaos and order

You can go ahead and become death itself or just break everything like just straight up break everything

Pure raw destruction

[sly ivy]

Shhhhh

Don’t interrupt me w facts when I’m being a Dilara reply guy 😡

I hate facts

[young pecan]

Moorcock? Pretty gay, dude.

Good for him

[sly ivy]

I’ll moor my cock in that, u say

Look it was a cheap shot and by god I took it

I kno anything else would have disappointed u all

[rocky gale]

I understand that you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, but sometimes you gotta conserve your ammo

[sly ivy]

😭

[queen laurel]

How did you have less accuracy than an a ork shoota boy

[arctic talon]

BS6+

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

what a cunt

dont tell me he did it again

[queen laurel]

BAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

that is funny

[arctic talon]

Which one

I’m not familiar with grifters

Also if someone calls me a tourist and they started the hobby before me

I should legally be allowed to beat them to death with my pewter warp spiders

In Minecraft

[queen laurel]

nah just kill em

[arctic talon]

I do not posses the mythical socknaught

I cannot kill them in 1 blow

[queen laurel]

break their bones

in Minecraft of course

[arctic talon]

Look, the socknaught is a pewter dreadnought or wraith lord in a sock

The pain you inflict with it is beyond anything 15 pewter warp spiders can do

[queen laurel]

nah use the sockdread

[arctic talon]

The socknaught must be pewter

[queen laurel]

not meta but has a chance to blow up

[arctic talon]

Plastic doesn’t work

No but genuinely which dumb ass chud was this

I’m curious now

[storm jungle]

Do you not know who bohemond is lmao

maybe for the better

[sly ivy]

In this house, every chud lost is a HERO of the IMPERIUM

show some respect

Who tf is that lmao

[arctic talon]

Genuinely no

[storm jungle]

A piece of shit black templar grifter whos sexist, racist and homophobic

[arctic talon]

You must realize most of my exposure to 40k online is

People who paint stuff

Or convert stuff

[storm jungle]

he left the hobby during the female custodes debacle

[arctic talon]

Oh bruh

Lol

[storm jungle]

went to battletech, noticed everyone was queer, got bullied and came back

[sly ivy]

Well that’s fucking offensive

[storm jungle]

then went to trenchcrusade, same thing

[sly ivy]

I expose u to stupidity every day

[storm jungle]

also tried to like

[sly ivy]

And u can’t even say thanks

[storm jungle]

replace his pfp with AI templar stuff after leaving 40k

[arctic talon]

I refuse

[storm jungle]

but now hes back to himself lol

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

yeah hes like-

legit pathetic

but has a huge following

[arctic talon]

That’s beyond pathetic

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmfao

[sly ivy]

Oh shit gay trans robots

[storm jungle]

Was more the fandom but yeah.

they legit said " we dont want you here tourist"

lmfao

[arctic talon]

Kill the grifter

[storm jungle]

he tweets like 40 times a day about useless nonsense

and uhhh does the ben shapiro thing

of "fact checking" people and acting smug

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/job-jumpscare-job-application-job-meme-job-jumpscare-gif-5102454363566376023

For him

[sly ivy]

Based

… he prob has some high paying tech job

Actually probably not

[arctic talon]

But he’s prolly incorrect half the time isn’t he lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah lol

[arctic talon]

Tweeting that much? Daily? Unlikely lol

[storm jungle]

id get his account but like... i really dont want to

[arctic talon]

If it was like half that I’d believe that

[storm jungle]

he has some really funny ones

like saying female custodes have been retconned

????

[sly ivy]

Right fact checking and debate r based in the guise of cringe. But doing it wrong is the secret Deep Cringe

[queen laurel]

seriously pathetic

[arctic talon]

Truly a genius

[storm jungle]

yeah he wouldnt be memed too much if he didnt have a lot of followers

who are also dipshits

[sly ivy]

People saying shit cite their sources challenge

[dapper gyro]

Never hear of that.

Though, to be fair, I don't have Twitter/X...

[storm jungle]

tbh its just rage baiting but even then its lazy

[arctic talon]

It’s a mandatory rule on the 40k discord if someone asks for a source lol

[sly ivy]

o my people

[arctic talon]

You should provide a source

[dapper gyro]

So anything happens on that platform, I have 0 clue.

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

2 weeks ago he was complaining about black space wolves being "woke"

end me

[queen laurel]

You type like you do not give a shit about warhammer youtubers so i understand

[arctic talon]

I just use Twitter for Art

Lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah they all primarch or marine pfps

so checks out 🫡

[sly ivy]

Well have u seen them do they look like they’re sleeping

Smdh