40k-lore-chat

[digital glacier]

So big it destroys all dwellings located around it with each shot

[arctic talon]

I LOVE VOLKUS

[sly ivy]

My intellect

[storm jungle]

GW instagram posted another great one awhile ago

look at the size of that fucking shell and the "crowd" beneath it, barely even visible lol

[arctic talon]

Holy shit lol

[storm jungle]

CINEMA

[sly ivy]

Hivestorm is such a great set

[arctic talon]

I’m kind of sad the killzone is ending underground

[sly ivy]

Great lore

[arctic talon]

For Volkus

[sly ivy]

GREAT terrain

[arctic talon]

Well not ending

We’re likely moving on

[sly ivy]

Great scions

[arctic talon]

Since it’s been 4 sets of teams

[storm jungle]

I need to get it, love the lore in killteam booklets

[sly ivy]

I guess there are some bugs too

[arctic talon]

Anyways dead silence is gona be fun

Prolly

I hope it’s non imperial terrain

Which we’ve had before

Just not very often

I wish GW would release the full eldar temple

That they made lol

[storm jungle]

same

[arctic talon]

The fact that they’ve made it makes me want it

Why’d they have to say they made it, I was happy in my ignorance

But now I want to own one

[storm jungle]

GW are truly an enigma sometimes...

[arctic talon]

Prolly bcs terrain almost always sells badly

Aside from killteam

Therfore killteam is our best bet to get the eldar terrain

[storm jungle]

[mossy peak]

shredder autopistol size rounds

[sly ivy]

YEAH

wait

[storm jungle]

lmao

got his ass

[sly ivy]

Yeah it’s so good.

[outer wave]

Pretty sure the sheer force of the gunpowder equivalent going off would be enough to destroy everything behind it anyway lmao

[near wasp]

Welp I have a migraine and it's 4th of July so I'm prolly not getting any sleep

[arctic talon]

That literally happens yes

Lol

The mechanicus rebuilds the back part everytime after it fires

[near wasp]

I mean if you have enough steel behind it and it's sealed right it shouldn't break or damage

[outer wave]

Christ

[opaque coyote]

I like to think that the heretic is just pausing there and just

Taking it in

[near wasp]

Like think about the gustov gun from ww2

[opaque coyote]

Like he's just seeing how fucking

gigantic that gun is

[near wasp]

"maybe I was wrong for selling my soul"

[opaque coyote]

How long does it take lmao

[arctic talon]

The gun isn’t damaged, but the surrounding buildings and infrastructure is damaged/destroyed by the shockwave

[opaque coyote]

"Welp... in for a penny..."

[arctic talon]

Not too long for the actual gun to be operational

Due to servitors and tech thralls

For the buildings and such? Lol, lmao

The mechanicus doesn’t care about those

[near wasp]

Well hopefully they'd clear out the area nearby by given it's 40k prolly not

[arctic talon]

The thing has an internal magazine anyways

[arctic talon]

Poor people keep on building in it

[near wasp]

Facts

That's there fault though

[arctic talon]

The mechanicus doesn’t bother cleaning them out because the trash cleans itself

This is the servitor underseer

Not my words

She hates poor people

But I love how much disdain the mechanicus killteam in typhon have

For the “laypeople”

[near wasp]

I mean fair

They are just preservitors

Barely of any notice

[arctic talon]

Also this is the first killteam rulebook where it resolved in the imperium winning since like, the Phobos vs traitor guard one lol

Which I was surprised

[nocturne crest]

Imagine if Penal Legions became a guard subfaction.

[arctic talon]

Me when savlar

[nocturne crest]

True true.

Who is 40k's version of Saw Gerrera?

[arctic talon]

A rebel who wishes to win at any costs but isn’t chaosy?

Or just a rebel who wants to win at any costs and doesn’t care how it’s done

[near wasp]

Huron

[arctic talon]

Huron didn’t want to pay taxes

He didn’t want to overthrow the imperium

/hj

[nocturne crest]

Either

[arctic talon]

Uhhhhh

[golden imp]

Bro, I wanna see how long V1 from ultra kill would last in the realm of khorne

An untiring machine that powers itself on blood in the realm of blood

[near wasp]

Similar to daemonkiller he'd probably be blessed by khorne. After all machines can still be corrupted.

[nocturne crest]

Odd question, but can Magos Biologis become heretics?

[storm jungle]

Anyone in 40k can become a heretic.

it isnt a job, its a lifepath

[opaque coyote]

Cyberpunk Edgerunners s2 announced

Let's goo

[arctic talon]

Yes anyone

[nocturne crest]

TIL that Arbites also have their own version of horse riders.

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Better be even more depressing and hopeless

[sacred bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yizSjcJtYxA

[storm jungle]

Mmm ships

[arctic talon]

Navy time

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-plushies-watermelon-squish-cats-getting-squished-by-watermelon-gif-14346272645866183349

Adam Smasher ahh

[sacred bluff]

this just popped up and so far it's very good

[arctic talon]

REAL MY GOAT, jokes aside I want them to use another merc

Another edgerunner

Plenty of violent psychopaths to pick from

[storm jungle]

Nah they 100% will

its Trigger + CDPR working together again, let em cook!

🗣️

[arctic talon]

Make the netrunner male this time

CDPR are afraid to let it hang

Make it mandatory

Can’t believe they shut down Trigger wanting David’s little David out

Not like the cyberpunk red rulebook doesn’t have literal genitalia in it, not sure why CDPR are so scared

[opaque coyote]

Knowing David, he probably replaced it with a

Mister Studd

[arctic talon]

Lol

Chrome junky

In any case I don’t get why CDPR was fine with full frontal nudity for women but not men in Edgerunners

Feels weird

[opaque coyote]

Honestly the first time I saw the anime, when it suddenly switched to Doc watching BD porn I audibly shouted "What the fuck???"

[arctic talon]

Bcs they had 0 issue with it in 2077 lol

[arctic talon]

Cyberpunk is truly a degenerate universe in a good way

Sex and nudity is so common, so commercialized it means almost nothing to people

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it was good shit so at least we know the degenerate has good taste

[opaque coyote]

The background in David's walk through the city where a guy literally has some cylinder around his dick.

[arctic talon]

Yes

It’s a

You know the master chief joke

It’s one of those

[queen laurel]

this is one of the few universes where i think that's a good thing because of how the universe is

Literally everything is so bad that commercialize sex being common isn't the worst

[opaque coyote]

I keep thinking of this though: https://youtu.be/48rSt3eM7XE?si=xIqvTyee9PKSul2O

"It's a cylinder"

Btw the OP ended up having to go to the hospital

I find it funny how the guy slowly began giving up trying to hide it

[arctic talon]

I mean

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

Also how the fuck did his "cylinder" not change size after 3 hours

[arctic talon]

Stuck

Swollen

[opaque coyote]

Thought the blood flow would eventually stop but apparently not

[sly ivy]

Happy Independence Day my fellow Americans

(That’s all of you)

[arctic talon]

Thank you yugioh abridged

[storm jungle]

https://media.tenor.com/rcNbKuRezUsAAAAM/tesla-tsla-cybrelon-hogdexter-nikola.gif

[sly ivy]

You too my dear Turkish American

[opaque coyote]

I still wonder how the fuck Tesla's stock works

[storm jungle]

They dont, thats the neat part 🙏

[sly ivy]

Well you see shareholders buy shares and

[storm jungle]

4 more years to the implosion of your nation my friend 🙏

[arctic talon]

Teslas shares have been going down constantly

[storm jungle]

may it be slow and etc etc

[arctic talon]

Mfw

[sly ivy]

Our nation, you mean.

[arctic talon]

I’m also going to be blown up

[opaque coyote]

The stock market already makes zero sense but Tesla is just

Still stuck at $300

[outer wave]

And 4 more years of possible annexation threats to my country

[storm jungle]

Dont include me in your shitshow

[young pecan]

I'm so ready for a Big Beautiful four years in my Big Beautiful country

[storm jungle]

Fake news smh, everything is fine

[arctic talon]

Big beautiful bill 💀

What a joke

[outer wave]

Big Beautiful Coc--

[opaque coyote]

#1 reform

Have a word limit

For the bills

[arctic talon]

https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Mr._Studd

[sly ivy]

I’m getting big and beautiful after all these hot dogs and freedom fries

[young pecan]

Funny how the only guy of his party who kept his vote to object, also immediately sprinted away from the building as soon as he made the vote

[opaque coyote]

Smart honestly. He was immediately being chased by his party to change his vote

Mf alerted the horde

[sly ivy]

Damn he playin darktide

[outer wave]

Finally, peak cybernetics

[sly ivy]

Auric legislation

[arctic talon]

Also

https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Midnight_Lady

[outer wave]

But yeah I'm a little concerned for my friends down south

[storm jungle]

sexual cyberware implant

lmao

[arctic talon]

That art is a little too risqué

Maybe not

[storm jungle]

alas was gonna say

[outer wave]

Nah it's okay

[arctic talon]

I’ll delete it

[opaque coyote]

Damn she's hot

[arctic talon]

If you want

[outer wave]

Okay for me

[sly ivy]

We good

[outer wave]

So uh

Keep the preview up

[arctic talon]

No

[outer wave]

Dammit

[sly ivy]

Until RFK jr’s worm starts chewin

But that only happens on the solstice

[arctic talon]

They’re useful on the tabletop btw

💀

[opaque coyote]

I'm not even sure if he even has a brain anymore

[outer wave]

I hope to God he makes an appearance in Baki the Grappler

[arctic talon]

I’m not going to elaborate

But I’ll let you guess

[opaque coyote]

Special convincing?

[arctic talon]

Yeah something like that

[opaque coyote]

In lore there are different grades and it just makes me wonder how the fuck would that even work

How do you even have differing quality for

...

That

[arctic talon]

Anyways Lucy has one lol

[arctic talon]

Company makes different types

Next question

They don’t go deep into this for obvious reasons

But I think you can use your imagination

[opaque coyote]

Midnight Lady malfunctions and instantly causes period pain

💀

[arctic talon]

Skill issue

[opaque coyote]

I still feel really bad for the guy with the malfunctioning Mr. Studd.

[arctic talon]

That side quest was so funny

Also it was a knock off

Which makes it even funnier

[opaque coyote]

Like it was funny as shit.

But also I cannot imagine how fucking painful that would be

[opaque coyote]

It was apparently not a knock off but a discontinued model

...

[arctic talon]

LOL

[opaque coyote]

I think you can tell why

[arctic talon]

well

Guess a function involving heat broke

Anyways CDPR are cowards for not letting us see the rest of David’s body

I will stand by this forever

[opaque coyote]

Real

[outer wave]

Should've had the shawarma module in the anime smh

[arctic talon]

Real

[young pecan]

Choom got the penis enlargement pillmplant

[opaque coyote]

Also there is a non zero chance that a mr Studd or midnight lady caused somebody to go cyberpsycho

[arctic talon]

Pill? Nah he just replaced it prolly lol

[young pecan]

I understand it now
That's why Lucy never complained about how much chrome he got

[arctic talon]

Anyways did you know the Raven Microcybernetics Gemini always comes with a uh

replacement for what you lose going full Borg

[opaque coyote]

I always wondered how it even simulates feeling for

That part

Actually do cybernetics simulate things for like

Touch?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Often

There’s an option for no sense

[young pecan]

There are a non-zero amount of people who got most of their body replaced but ONLY kept the thing between their legs

[arctic talon]

But it increases humanity loss

But also

Don’t need to worry about things like pain now

[young pecan]

I would be too scared to replace that tbh, keep the scalpel away from there

[opaque coyote]

Tbh do you want the reason for going cyberpsycho being that you replaced your dick?

[arctic talon]

Tbf ripper docs are literal back alley doctors

And they can replace organs and limbs fine

Medical care is very good in that universe

[young pecan]

Must be a software with the machines they use to do it, that makes it so easy or relatively reliable

[arctic talon]

It’s both training and the automation of it

Doctors in cyberpunk are much better trained then irl ones

Also they also have cybernetics

So shaky hands aren’t an Issue

[near wasp]

I mean ripper docs are ok but really you want trauma team

[arctic talon]

Trauma team is pretty affordable

Is the funniest thing

[near wasp]

Honestly yeah

[arctic talon]

Like for what it is

[near wasp]

Even corpo v had trauma team

[arctic talon]

Tbf that comes with the job

[near wasp]

Ya know before she got thrown to the curb

She/he I always play female v because I like the va better

[arctic talon]

Almost all Arasaka employees have traumateam coverage lol

Now granted it’s a special modified corporate version

[near wasp]

Yeah but v had like gold level

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think it's mentioned in the top 5 companies to work for

[arctic talon]

V was also decently high up the totem pole

So it makes sense if they upgraded

[opaque coyote]

Arasaka's benefit actually doesn't sound bad since well...

Yeah free medical insurance is basically pretty good.

Better than Biotechina's 6 paid vacation days per year

Which is uh

Getting closer to reality unfortunately

[dapper gyro]

V is already decently chromed, but the game doesn't let you see it for obvious reason.

[near wasp]

Most chrome is aesthetic

[arctic talon]

V’s little V is natural

Visually at least

[near wasp]

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

Or framework for more additional chrome

[dapper gyro]

Like the tattoo that lets you use smart weapons, it is actually the smart link, but they have to make it interesting.

[arctic talon]

For both M and F V

[near wasp]

Truth

[opaque coyote]

Like there probably needs to be that for a lot of cirizens

Since you need to have at least a bit of it to work

[arctic talon]

You don’t technically

[near wasp]

Most people probably have a link of some sort

[arctic talon]

But it’s like being disabled irl

No link of any sorts is basically being crippled

[opaque coyote]

Yeah basically

[near wasp]

They're basically like a credit card

Only people I could see not having one are nomads

[opaque coyote]

They probably do given the fact that they need to defend themselves

And fight

And all that shit

[dapper gyro]

At least some underskin armour.

[arctic talon]

Nomads have them as well tbh

Nomads are pretty chromed up

Nornally

[dapper gyro]

Or Under Armor they say.

[arctic talon]

There’s also Nomad corporations lol

[near wasp]

Ah

[arctic talon]

Stuff like MetaCorp

Who is a nomad nation

But also now a Corp

[opaque coyote]

Which

Makes me wonder how that even works. Is it equivalent to a food truck company?

[arctic talon]

They sell guns

Lots of fucking guns

[dapper gyro]

Budget Arms

[arctic talon]

MetaCorp sells extremely high quality fire arms

[near wasp]

Well given the whole hick thing id think they might regret chrome to some extent

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I was thinking of like

A food truck but instead of food it's guns

[arctic talon]

They have ripper docs in most nomad groups tbf

Can clean it up, Repair it

There’s also semi stable nomad “cities”

MetaCorp operates out of one

[dapper gyro]

Enhanced eyes are typical for survival.

[opaque coyote]

Chrome is basically like

So integrated into life they probably don't think about it

[arctic talon]

But MetaCorp does shipping and arms manufacturing

They’re also a Nomad nation

With all the usual nomadisms

My favorite MetaCorp gun is the smart rocket launcher

Can you guess how it works

[dapper gyro]

Every manufacturer has one of those.

[arctic talon]

Yeah but this one is better

I don’t even need to be in the same grid coordinates as a netrunner

Therfore making it the funnier option

Jokes aside playing netrunner is such a PITA on the tabletop

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Imagine literally just

Standing around

And then in the last moment of your life

You see a missile turn a corner towards you

[arctic talon]

Mmmmm

Violence

[dapper gyro]

Weapons in cp ttrp can kill SM easily.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I just want more Sanroo weapons.

Let me be adorable while murdering people

Orion must have Sanroo weapons otherwise it is a 0/10

[arctic talon]

say UwU and livestream you beheading someone with the new Sanroo shotgun

[opaque coyote]

I'm just imagining the fucking advertisements now

[arctic talon]

RPing as a streamer

In cyberpunk ttrpg

Sorry a Media

[opaque coyote]

"Hey guys, today we're doing a job. I need to totally like murder these people!"

"Be sure to like and subscribe and share this BD to your friends!"

"Now then onto our sponsor, Nicola! Taste the love!"

[arctic talon]

Mfw you spend the last moments of your life listening to some dumbass talking to “chat” about Nicola while you bleed out in a back alley

[opaque coyote]

Bro imagine Jerma but in cyberpunk

Fit right in

Cyberpsycho streamer

https://youtu.be/ouClsYFMhhI?si=9LBYAciG4D9vv8iy

[arctic talon]

Jerma is too coherent to be the average cyber psychic

Too charismatic as well

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Also

https://youtu.be/hNtsWlLwj-Y?si=iI9mEXYyK50I1TxJ

[crisp heath]

Finally got my hands on rdr2 iv never played it before so excited

[tired quiver]

Does anyone know what the fuck the demons are saying when you enter critical peril?

[arctic talon]

It’s just generic unintelligible murmuring and muttering

Though it’s likely them trying to get in

Or some other warp predator

[tired quiver]

that is dissapointing.

[arctic talon]

Would be fun if there was more

But even extracted audio is unintelligible

Maybe the VAs did say something but it seems like gibberish

[sly ivy]

It’s Eternal trying 2 reach us from the Other Side

[crisp heath]

rdr2 finally downloaded

[lofty mason]

Why did it take nearly 10,000 years to develop the Primaris Marines? I know that Imperium R&D department is bad at following the schedule, but 10,000 years to research something!? Damn.

[celest dome]

Cause developing new stuff is largely illegal

[outer wave]

If ogres ended up in 40k, would they fare better than ogryns or nah?

[queen laurel]

they are ogryns but basically blessed by their own god, and Will more often than not be better Martially trained

but the thing is they're gonna be independent and be their own mercenaries because they don't buy into the emperor nonsense

[outer wave]

They could end up getting hired by Orks or Deldar

Tau too

[queen laurel]

They are mercenaries they are willing to sell their services to everyone in fantasy why not here

[digital glacier]

I dunno if it did take 10000 years

[outer wave]

Hey, if it makes coin and food

[digital glacier]

I think Cawl was done and was just waiting for Guilliman

And in the meantime he created a reserve army numbered in the millions

[celest dome]

And somewhat smarter

[queen laurel]

that too

They are smart enough and independent enough to not buy into that emperor nonsense

[digital glacier]

Ogres aren't quite the same species as Ogryn

They can be surprisingly smarter than you'd expect

And they have the Gnoblars to use as help

[outer wave]

Yeah, they got a low sense of cunning to them

[queen laurel]

yeah they're like orks on the surface they appear rather stupid but they can be pretty smart, and horrifyingly so

[arctic talon]

It didn’t take 10,000 years. The primaris were done sometime in that period and then Cawl was just doing whatever

Cawl had notes to work off of anyways lol

[crystal forum]

it was literally only 1 guy leading the project in total secret because if the enemies of the imperium knew about it they would have tried to stop him. also doing new tech is seen as heretical

even though it's not even that much new tech with primaris since all cawl did was add primarch stuff to astartes

[opaque coyote]

A) inventing new stuff is literally tech heresy

Any new inventions are passed off as "totally an stc fragment guys" along with prayer that hopefully nobody will actually try to investigate

But you can't really do that for literally gene editing the core of the Emperor's Angels

Cawl had to keep it on the down low

B) It was one guy leading the project and doing a good chunk of the work.

C) Much knowledge is lost. Cawl probably had to "relearn" how Space Marine Geneseed really works.

Not just what it does but shit like the DNA sequences.

[digital glacier]

Cawl lost a lot of his memories

Well deleted them

[opaque coyote]

Try reverse engineering a nuclear power plant

With like... the 1800s level of technology

And you've approximately got what Cawl had to deal with

[opaque coyote]

True but I don't think he deleted anything about his work

Just unimportant stuff like

Interactions

How to shit

Etc.

[near wasp]

Crawl has definitely lost some important stuff

Just due to organizing

[flint dock]

Iirc at least some of his mindwipes were not consensual either.

[storm jungle]

I mean

[tough haven]

Hearing his explanation of why it isn’t heresy is hilarious, logical, but hilarious

[nocturne crest]

Hey all! Quick question, but what does the imperium currency look like?

[rocky gale]

Don't think there's a set metric, believe it's regional based

So different Sectors will have different currencies, Throne Gelt is a common one

Also Aquila, Crowns, Ducats etc

Think Necromunda uses Credits

[digital glacier]

There's a reason why the Imperial Tithe is collected in nature, rather than in currency

[sly ivy]

Like the blood u shed 4 Him on Terra and the devotion u maintain in ur heart

… also ur organs

[celest dome]

Depend on the sector, most things work on bater than currency

[rocky gale]

I know there's more about Throne Gelt but can't remember exactly. Like it's value is based off of the value of the planets tithe as assessed by the Administratum or something like that.

[bitter tree]

If the book isnt written by aaron dembski bowden I aint reading

[storm jungle]

Mid opinion, next

🗣️

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/false-nuke-truth-nuke-false-nukes-nuke-gif-3475302093071679546

[vagrant fox]

Steve Lyons is the only acceptable Krieg author author 🗣️

[digital glacier]

There are acceptable Krieg Authors?

I dunno, I'm gonna stick to Mike Brooks probably

Well I still gotta finish the Dark Imperium Omnibus

[storm jungle]

Nah jokes aside there isnt

Lyons is the only guy that ever writes for them, and a ton of his Krieg stories are mid

[digital glacier]

Jesus

Sounds like Phil Kelly for the T'au

[bitter tree]

30k books> 40k books

[digital glacier]

Only the ones that feature Perturabo

[bitter tree]

Isnt he autistic and angry

[digital glacier]

Indeed
Probably the most relatable character for 40K fans

[bitter tree]

Angron> everyone else

[forest orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-cat-lizz-lizzy-gif-11840230538475982227

my honest reaction

[arctic talon]

I’m making you read battle of the abyss

[storm jungle]

I wouldnt read into lazy bait

I doubt bro can even read 😭

[simple sparrow]

Why do steel legion and Krieg look jarring to me cuz my mindset is like it’s the year 41k and yet they look like the early 1900s so it seems very anachronistic lol

[celest dome]

There are world in the imperium that are using Plate armour

[arctic talon]

Because the imperial guard just has that aesthetic for some regiments, it gets older looking for some

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/d/d0/Praetorian_sgt_by_diegogisbertllorens.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140619031051

Fucking pith helmets

Lol

[celest dome]

Vostroyan being Imperial-Tzarist Russia, would they look older or not ?

[arctic talon]

Yeah but they have the high tech masks as a standard

So they look slightly less old imo

[storm jungle]

Its gothic historical sci-fi fantasy

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/9/9d/Vostroyan_Firstborn_Hvy_Spt.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130209035709

[storm jungle]

if that looks jarring to you idk what to tell ya

lmao

[arctic talon]

I do find it hilarious GW made the praetorian guard

A bunch of criminals

As in they recruit from gangers

[digital glacier]

Not that far off from historical practice

[celest dome]

Fair

[simple sparrow]

Oh yeah no I get it lol

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-kitty-dancing-joust-memes-de-gatos-memes-gif-15564981694074768734

[simple sparrow]

This happens on a lot of worlds iirc

[simple sparrow]

Cats can’t dance

[arctic talon]

Yeah big pool

Though some are more professional

[tough haven]

Then what am I looking at?

[simple sparrow]

Falsehoods

[simple sparrow]

Idk why gangers would make good soldiers tbh. Can’t imagine they would take kindly to orders or putting their lives on the line for someone other than themselves

[arctic talon]

They’re not

They abuse and beat them lol

Gangers get “rediscplined”

[tough haven]

Gangers are hella good fighters though seeing as they have to to survive

[tough haven]

Not too much different from a gang

[arctic talon]

Lol

[tough haven]

I meant gang

[simple sparrow]

A gag

[tough haven]

What do you think the “redisciplining” is

[simple sparrow]

🫦

How do I join the Guard

[tough haven]

Recruiters are on every corner

[simple sparrow]

The guard can’t be worse than being a hive laborer

[tough haven]

Gotta teach those rowdy gangers how to be good little guardsmen and obey authority

[tough haven]

Just depends how you wanna die

Pick your poison

[simple sparrow]

There’s plenty of actual poison either way

[tough haven]

Death by horrible alien horror, or worked to death or shot by an enforcer or death by sickness or…

[simple sparrow]

If you get sick you can just ask grandfather Nurgle for help

[digital glacier]

Higher chance of a quick death!

[tough haven]

Try to get assigned to special weapons detail to get a plasma weapon so you have a easy suicide option to turn yourself to ash

And maybe take a few bastards with you

[celest dome]

Being in the Guard is a better life than being in a gang most of the time

[simple sparrow]

Isn’t your life expectancy in the guard very low

[celest dome]

no

[simple sparrow]

[arctic talon]

Prolly less awful

[arctic talon]

If you get sent to a total shithole yes

Which is more likely nowadays

[storm jungle]

Same reason recruiters IRL target the weak and desperate

easier to brainwash and fit up to be soldiers

[arctic talon]

Also some gangers think they’ll be able to make it back

And teach their gang

(Lmao)

[simple sparrow]

The guard must have standards tho, I can’t imagine they’d pick any scrawny laborer desperate for food

[near wasp]

So what happens to a retinue when an Inquisitor is killed

[celest dome]

Depend on what the narrative need for to happen

[arctic talon]

Infighting, if there’s multiple interrogators

Sometimes there’s a clean and clear line of succession

And nothing happens

Sometimes the interrogators all become an inqusitor on their own

Ect.

[celest dome]

Well if you're an Interrogator and your Inquisitor dies, aren't you boned ? You still would need to pass through that survey or what ever before being able to become one

[arctic talon]

Simply lie

What are they gona do

[celest dome]

fair

but risky

[arctic talon]

Well, what is being an inqusitor but risk

Lol

[near wasp]

I mean I know Esperanza was just transferred to crowl after her original inquistor was killed

[storm jungle]

The Imperium is basically nazi-romans, they dont really care as long as you can use a lasgun and kill people, a soldier at the end of the day is someone that can just hold a gun and shoot as you tell them what to do, thinking is not meant ot be a word in most of their vocabulary

[simple sparrow]

What if you want to be a soldier AND a scholar

[storm jungle]

No dice.

you arent meant to think

[near wasp]

Cultist

[storm jungle]

its one of the funnier quotes/creeds in the Imperium

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt

[near wasp]

Or ecclesiarchy

[tough haven]

Higher than a gang

[simple sparrow]

The ecclesiarchy reminds me of the corrupt Catholic Church in the Middle Ages lol

[tough haven]

Thats intentional

[arctic talon]

Join the mechanicus, saw off your own limbs

/j

[digital glacier]

Which means that in the world of Man, the Ogryn is king

[storm jungle]

thats the point yea lol

[near wasp]

Congrats you understand the inspiration

[queen laurel]

Well get in then

[tough haven]

Also live forever™

[tough haven]

With no cybernetic strings attached

[simple sparrow]

[digital glacier]

I dunno if you can, just, join the Cult Mechanicus

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside the nerdiest soldiers in the imperium are probably skitarii and militant tech priests

Now granted a lot of that stuff is theological

[arctic talon]

You can’t

It was a joke

[digital glacier]

From what I've heard, they frown on Prosletysing attempts

[simple sparrow]

Is the machine god even real

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

So and so

[arctic talon]

Nt

[near wasp]

Yes the machine god is real

[arctic talon]

The mechanicus’s holy Trinity is

Likely real

Though the question on what they each are exactly is

A bigger question

[near wasp]

It's either the emperor, a shard of void dragon, or vasshtor the arkifane

[digital glacier]

There is indeed something behind the theology of the AdMech

[arctic talon]

Or something else entirely

[digital glacier]

There is question as to what it truly is however

[storm jungle]

Its left intentionally vague rn

[arctic talon]

The omnissiah is the emperor/shard of the void dragon/a big daemon/something else

GW will never elaborate

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

The machine god

[storm jungle]

its one of the 3

[arctic talon]

We actually have 0 m clue

What the machine god is

It’s even more nebulous

The Motive Force is also a big ????

[near wasp]

My guess is it's all three

[digital glacier]

They will, whenever they feel like they need more sales

[arctic talon]

They will not

Because that’s part of the fun

[queen laurel]

But it's definitely real because machinery have worked before even though they should not

[storm jungle]

Im sorry to be blunt

but nothing in 40k remains a mystery

[arctic talon]

Machine spirits are real

[storm jungle]

it will get revealed eventually sooner or later

[arctic talon]

Let me have my cope

[storm jungle]

its the thing with IPs

[digital glacier]

Never say never, but I don't think they'll do it randomly

[arctic talon]

They killed the void dragon is the machine god theory

In 5e

Thank you necron retcon

Very cool

[digital glacier]

We still got Tomb Kings in 40K, so it was worth it!

[arctic talon]

Oh I love the necron retcon lol

I just think it’s funny how much it retcon’d

[celest dome]

The 2 missing Primarchs

[storm jungle]

It was tbh

necrons are not really tomb kings either

[arctic talon]

When GW needs money

[storm jungle]

unless you count like

[arctic talon]

They will exhume the corpse

[storm jungle]

the egyptian influence

and them having nobles lol

[near wasp]

The emporer is the omnisiah. The void dragon is the machine god and vasshtor is the motive force. Thank you I must take my leave now before the bolter shells start flying

[arctic talon]

Holy based

[digital glacier]

They are distinct, but the inspiration is pretty obvious

It was obvious even before the retcon

[storm jungle]

Eh idk.

[near wasp]

I love me some necrons

Hate painting them tho

Fuck the neon green paint that always congeals

[celest dome]

Gorkamorka is the Omnisiah, Mork is the Machine God (Brutally Cunning), Gork is the Motive force (Cunningly Brutal)

[digital glacier]

They even have a Settra equivalent in Imotekh the Storm Lord!
Before the return of the Silent King sent him back to the locker room

[arctic talon]

Hashut is the motive force

[queen laurel]

Cacti say that again

[celest dome]

Imagine if the reveal for next week is Chaos League of Votann

[arctic talon]

Lol

[digital glacier]

Gorkamorka doesn't exist in 40K!

[arctic talon]

Yeah it does

It’s a planet

[celest dome]

It's written, you can just reread it, it's part of why people write stuff down

[queen laurel]

If that's the case I'm cursing you with forever having to be forced to like every bad decision CA makes

if i have to suffer so do you

[digital glacier]

CA, what do they have to do with this

[queen laurel]

It's just a thing I like to do with cacti

Reminding him of CA's funny choices everyday

[digital glacier]

I wonder what you mean by funny choices, like, the Dark Elf vs Skaven DLC?

[celest dome]

Ah finally inner peace

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-inner-peace-meditating-meditation-gif-16027577794040375305

[queen laurel]

well cacti can explain better

fantasy is his forte really

[celest dome]

Of CA's DLC team decision, the main game are fine

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's pretty good but you know what it I'm changing my curse I hope GW updates the lore of fantasy so that they can make better worse choices for you to not like

[celest dome]

The DElf vs Eshin was a strange choice but it's thematic.
The bigger problems come from TWW3's dlc:
Champion of Chaos: All those Lords should have been sent to their respective Monogod.
With instead some other older Warrior of Chaos (Like Arbaal) would later on join them.

The Monogod dlc were strange decision, where certain named Herald were used as Lords, and other as LH.
Oh and certain really awesome characters were used as LH instead of LL.

The last revealed Dlc for example has Norsca, but it's not a Norscan

And they've used Malakai as a LL

[arctic talon]

Malerion is real

Maliketh was a weird name anyways

Compared to the other elf names

[digital glacier]

Yeah, some of their choices are divisive, although I kind of understand the logic behind them

I wished you could play the Champions of Chaos lords as either Monogod or WoC but it is what it is

[celest dome]

I always considered it "fine" as it being some Dark Elf style name

[digital glacier]

I'm pissed off about the Blue Scribes not being LLs, but I understand why the Changeling was the Lord

[digital glacier]

The issue is that the name was already used

[arctic talon]

Well none of the other dark elves names sound similar either tbh

[digital glacier]

Warhammer Elf names are not consistent

[arctic talon]

They’re not

But Maliketh’s is really weird

Imo

[celest dome]

Some have some hard consonant like Malekith

Like Lokir

Dravik

[digital glacier]

Malekith sounds celtic like a lot of their names so I'm not too fussed about it

[arctic talon]

Eh it’s not bad

[celest dome]

Dravik would make a cool LH for Dechala

[arctic talon]

I still find it kinda weird GW is retconning his name

But it’s w/e

Lol

[celest dome]

Legal stuff

Nothing more nothing less

[digital glacier]

They can't copyright it cause they ripped it off Thor comics

[arctic talon]

Well

Isn’t Maliketh also a mythological thing

Lol

[digital glacier]

Nope

[arctic talon]

Lmao

Yeah best not anger the mouse

[digital glacier]

Pure invention from whoever was writing Thor back in the 80s who decided to name their Dark Elf King Malekith

[arctic talon]

Lol

Good ol gw

[digital glacier]

Disney isn't really angry, like they never tried and give GW shit about it as far as I know.
It’s just that GW can't copyright the name because Disney would have to step in.
Which then means that theoretically, anybody could use a Dark Elf named Malekith free of charge if they so wanted

[arctic talon]

I think GW just doesn’t want to risk it in general is the thing

[digital glacier]

Yes, that about it

[arctic talon]

It’s not like dark elfs are relevant in the old world rn

[digital glacier]

They don't want that legal battle

[arctic talon]

They’re a legends faction

[celest dome]

But they may in the future

So better off just ripping the band aid

[digital glacier]

That and Malekith is a completely irrelevant character in Marvel

[sly ivy]

Ur a legends faction

[celest dome]

Didn't he appear in one of the Thor movie ?

[storm jungle]

Was gonna say this yeah

[arctic talon]

Yeah and then died

Lol

GW ironically does not like court very much

Nowadays

[digital glacier]

E-Tier level character who is only remembered because of the Warhammer namesake

[celest dome]

Multiverse bullshit would let them return him

[arctic talon]

Cultural victory

[celest dome]

I somewhat miss Constant Drachenfels

Malal I really don't care for

But Constant

I miss that dude

[digital glacier]

I guess Drachenfels doesn't really fit in their new version of the cosmology

[celest dome]

Nameless is at least something I like

[digital glacier]

And they can't use the name for whatever reason

[celest dome]

Owned by an outside writer

[digital glacier]

Kim Newman?

And yet, we visited his castle two times in the Vermintide games

Very strange

[celest dome]

Jack Yeovil I guess

[celest dome]

Character =/= Castle

[digital glacier]

I agree that Malal is genuinely one of the worst Warhammer concepts ever

[celest dome]

I mean I don't dislike it as it was

[storm jungle]

Its a fine concept

every concept in warhammer sounds cringe until you give it more lore/artwork

believe me lol

[late osprey]

what's wrong with malal?

[digital glacier]

Fair assessement

[celest dome]

Something so Chaos focused that it hate the "order" that the Monogod faction create upon chaos

[storm jungle]

Yeah like think of it like this

40k doesnt exist

and now i introduce an orc faction spreads with mushrooms

[digital glacier]

The Chaos God of Anti-Chaos/Atheism

[storm jungle]

and can think stuff into working condition

you'd call me idea fucking stupid

[digital glacier]

I just find the concept preposterous

[celest dome]

He never was "Anti-Chaos" just the order that the Chaos Gods place

[digital glacier]

That's different because the Warhammer concept of Greenskins was extremely good from the beginning

And then they introduced the wacky spore reproduction concept

[storm jungle]

Kind of, their conception was extremely goofy

[late osprey]

Sorry but Soccer Hooligans based off of local menaces is never gonna be a 100% serious concept

[arctic talon]

Malice is more interesting then Malal

Lol

[digital glacier]

They are goofy, but the concept endearing, memorable and Iconic

[arctic talon]

But that’s because malice has an extra paragraph of lore

Then Malal

[digital glacier]

The fans latched on the concept

[celest dome]

What lore does Malice have other than the Sons of Malice ?

[late osprey]

He's presumably highly malicious

[storm jungle]

He has some sort of Sons

Sons of Malice if you will

[arctic talon]

He shows up in a novel and they yap about him a bit

Lol

It’s still sons of malice related

But it’s lore

[late osprey]

"Argh... I can't come up with a name for our warband, all we are are just sons of malice!!"
"... Say that again."

[arctic talon]

More then Malal ever got

[storm jungle]

also the Warp has always been confirmed as like having many different entities and deities

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

its a paranormal wild west

[digital glacier]

Oh I'm not against adding more Chaos Gods

Just, uh, ones that are a bit more thought out please

[late osprey]

I love the idea of undivided daemons, it's just a shame they seem to only show up in the books

[arctic talon]

We had furies

Well we still have them in lore

But they lost their datasheet

[storm jungle]

I got a sector in my homebrew where a local group worship a minor chaos deity that they refer to as "the Wyld" which mutates them into animalistic people and gives them fucked up blessings revolving around beasts

[late osprey]

Yeah, but saying "We have undivided daemons" and showing me furies is like saying "We have food at home" and it's 8-day leftovers.

[opaque coyote]

I like Malice/Malal as an idea tbh.

Makes sense given that the scientific definition of Chaos is closer to entropy.

So it makes sense that a God of Entropy would also be Chaos related

[celest dome]

We've had ruinstorm deamon tok

[arctic talon]

Yeah

The ruinstorm brutes and stuff

Though some of those are god aligned

[storm jungle]

Yeah the Warp can have anything in it

[queen laurel]

so beastmen but actually interesting?

[storm jungle]

it just doesnt

because uhhhh

we gotta sell minis

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I wonder why there isn't any undivided in video games

[storm jungle]

that are tied to factions lol

[arctic talon]

Plastic

[arctic talon]

There is

Lol

[storm jungle]

I guess. I just made em up for world-juice

[arctic talon]

More games have chaos undivided then not

[digital glacier]

I'll not brook any Beastman slander

😤

[arctic talon]

They suck in AoS

[late osprey]

Pre-DoW2, Ulkair was essentially an undivided daemon

[arctic talon]

They’re the same as they were in whfb

[late osprey]

And then they monogodified him

[arctic talon]

Which is the issue lol

[opaque coyote]

...

Any important video games that actually make money

[arctic talon]

Yes

[queen laurel]

Well I don't need to GW already slanders them

[celest dome]

They sucked in BF

[opaque coyote]

Oh damn ok

[arctic talon]

Yeah but they stuck out less

[late osprey]

Undivided DAEMONS are the question, not just undivided as a whole

Undivided followers are very common as what EW said

Daemons you have to look for

[arctic talon]

Oh also

The new nachmund book

Has some undivided daemon art in

[storm jungle]

Yo pass it over

[arctic talon]

There’s this daemon in some wheel thing

Lemme find it

[storm jungle]

oh wait

[arctic talon]

Wait

[storm jungle]

you mean that side-page illustration?

[arctic talon]

I think it’s reused from arks

[storm jungle]

yeah it is

i copied a lot of those for my vault lol

[arctic talon]

I still like it a lot

Tbh

[shadow plover]

pass it over still

[arctic talon]

It’s a very fun daemon design

I don’t have it on hand

[shadow plover]

cant be bothered to search it up myself

[storm jungle]

you cant search it

its a in-between page art

:)

[shadow plover]

I mean I've got the ark books behind me

but can't be bothered

[storm jungle]

then open it

you lazy fuck

[late osprey]

I guess Daemon Engines in general are TECHNICALLY undivded daemons as well

[shadow plover]

but it's behind a glass door

[storm jungle]

Bruh

break it

[shadow plover]

[storm jungle]

what is this, your first in-house break attempt?

[opaque coyote]

Also

[late osprey]

Use your portal gun to open a portal on the other side of the glass

[arctic talon]

Well not all of them

Some of them are

[opaque coyote]

Like it says

Harvest Valley Dark Souls 2

[late osprey]

40k

[opaque coyote]

Ecclesiarchy moment

Seriously the only faction that has more bdsm than it is the Dark Eldar

At least it's both the men and the women

Inclusive (tm)

[arctic talon]

I’m still not sure how I feel about the new wych cult lore brooks added but w/e lol

Feels kind of weird compared to the rest of drukhari society

[opaque coyote]

What's the new

L o r e

[digital glacier]

Dark Eldar
Talk about a faction that serves absolutely no purpose in the narrative

[late osprey]

That's cap, Dark Eldar are awesome

[digital glacier]

I never said they weren't

[late osprey]

Their presence in RT couldn't be rationally replaced by any other faction

[digital glacier]

But y'know, it's always funny how GW is like how they just don't want to have versions of Fantasy factions in 40K

Then they have the Dark Eldar whose sole reason for existing is to be the 40K version of Dark Elfs!

[arctic talon]

Succubi can only be female

Which is weird

Because no other role in drukhari society is gender locked

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Weird

Shouldn't Incubi exist

[arctic talon]

Incubi are their own thing

[opaque coyote]

h

*Ah

[digital glacier]

Strange, it was always implied that you know Eldar could change their sex as part of their path system

[arctic talon]

Which are both genders

[late osprey]

Ive espoused the complete and utter opposite opinion here before TBH

[arctic talon]

It’s def possible

But drukhari don’t follow the path system

[digital glacier]

Wdym?

[digital glacier]

True I always forget that part

[late osprey]

I think Dark Eldar are incredibly unique from their initial appearance of just "Le Space Dark Elves", with their alien mercenaries and their technology and their decadent space empire backstory

[arctic talon]

The drukhari are very distinct from the dark elfs imo

[late osprey]

Meanwhile I don't feel Craftworlders are very interesting especially when compared to the Elves of WHFB

[arctic talon]

They’re completely different as well

Lol

[digital glacier]

I am not disputing that

[digital glacier]

Not that I'll uh, dispute

[digital glacier]

That's really funny because I feel the Craftworlders have so much more going for them than the High Elfs

[late osprey]

Yeah LOL, opposite opinions

[arctic talon]

duality

Subjective opinion

I’d assume drukhari if they want a gender change

They’d just get a haemonculi to do it

[late osprey]

Drukhari fleshcrafting is practically miracle-tech as I understand it

[arctic talon]

For cwe they can just do it

So to speak

[late osprey]

The great irony of the age that Dark Eldar have the most overtly advanced medical technology in the galaxy

[arctic talon]

If you know how to put together a body well you know how to break one apart well

[digital glacier]

There are a lot of truly skilled bioengineers throughout the galaxy

But Comorragh has a centralised hub devoted to it on a scale unknown anywhere else

[arctic talon]

Yeah

So much knowledge on it

[late osprey]

Hear me out: a storyline where an Inquisitor has to break into Comorragh to access their medical facilities and heal a critical lead in their investigation

Don't press the wrong button or you'll accidentally turn him into swiss cheese

[arctic talon]

Lol

[shadow plover]

Rogue Trader (the video game) does something pretty similar

though not by their own volition

[late osprey]

Man

RT is so peak

[opaque coyote]

"Ah shit I accidentally turned him into a carpet"

[late osprey]

But it's inhibited by the premise of being a Rogue Trader

[arctic talon]

But yeah I kind of hope they retcon the succubus must = female thing

[late osprey]

So DH should logically be the ultimate 40k RPG

[arctic talon]

Bcs it’s weird

I don’t mind it

It’s just. Different lol

[digital glacier]

You can easily ignore it

[late osprey]

That one's just an inheritance from Druchii

[digital glacier]

I do that with a lot of minor lore quibbles I don't like

[arctic talon]

Well it didn’t exist till brooks added it

Wych cults aren’t mono gender

I’ll just see where it goes

Lol

[digital glacier]

Like Tareldar said, I think it's just a thematic relic of Fantasy and the Dark Elfs

[tough haven]

Sign me up!

[tough haven]

fr

[digital glacier]

I don't even think there's an editorial choice behind it

Just that the deadly Elf female melee warriors HAVE to be female

[arctic talon]

Well they’re not

It’s only the succubus, which is the leader of a cult

[tough haven]

I mean, girl power?

[digital glacier]

Ah

[arctic talon]

Also we still don’t really know what happens when a Phoenix lord takes over

To the body rather

I’d like to know someday

[digital glacier]

Yes, that was the idea

[late osprey]

Man talking about DE makes me want to revisit a Hand of the Archon KT concept

That's the only downside of KT. Too many cool teams, not enough time.

[digital glacier]

Unlike Warcry, KT is still going

That's impressive

[tough haven]

Theres no reason women cant flay and absorb the suffering of others just as well as men can

[tough haven]

I love KT

[late osprey]

I've wanted a Tempestus team, a Breacher team, a DE team, and a Renegade Guard team

[digital glacier]

What's a Breacher?

Some sort of Navy troops?

[late osprey]

Breachers are a Tau unit specialized for CQB

So in my mind perfect for KT aesthetically

Tougher armor, at least marginally (don't think their stats are different) and their main weapon is a shotgun, but I would give them the full flush of Tau small arms for a well-rounded team

IDK if the Tau killteam can field Fireblades, but ideally that'd be an awesome squad leader

[raven stone]

@storm jungle
This probably also counts as a trip down memory lane for you (hence the tagging), but I just want to say I accidentally made a dude who would not look out of place in 40K

[opaque coyote]

Weapons

Mini gun

Honestly I have no idea why I like them so much

But multi-barrel weapons like the mini gun are the type I like the most aesthetically

[celest dome]

I just like things that spins

Revolver, Mini guns

same sort of things

[raven stone]

Dakka is cool

Pictured is the gunner class, which is, indeed, all about the Dakka

And yes the class self-regenerates Dakka.

[opaque coyote]

Makes me wish the Assault Cannon was in Darktide

Sorry not the assault cannon

The purcursor to it

...

Although you think an Ogryn can use one?

[raven stone]

Would be fun if they could

[raven stone]

Rotary cannon I think

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the Rotary Cannon would be nice

It's basically a minigun

[celest dome]

No precedence, but there is concept art of it from Miguel who did the Darktide stuff

[arctic talon]

Rotor cannons can be used by ogryn in Imperial cults and milita

[dapper gyro]

I like the other kind of heavy machine gun, the slow but powerful.

Maybe because the actual Minigun doesn't impress me as much as the M2 Browning.

[arctic talon]

Tbf rotor cannons in lore

Kind of suck lol

[celest dome]

Could have a nice game play use, high ammo and fire rate, but abysmall spread

[arctic talon]

Good for soft targets

Which are most Darktide enemies lol

[opaque coyote]

Which is why I want it in darktide

Would be the best in that game

Also

BRRRRRRRRR

[celest dome]

Ogryn wise I mostly want a Multilaser, and lascannon (Like how the Kickback/Rumbler share models)

[dapper gyro]

Pretty much like irl, 40K heavy machine gun has a triangle of ROF - Damage - Accuracy/Range. You balance between the 3.

[storm jungle]

Lmao nice

also Division posting in 2025?

[raven stone]

Going through a bit of a revival - they actually released new DLC

Battle for Brooklyn

(With actual new missions and story to boot…)

[outer wave]

I sometimes wish the Ogryns had extra faces coming out of their skin

[slim pagoda]

Started playing Rogue Trader

[raven stone]

I mean, considering both games had a synced release for the Arbites…

[slim pagoda]

I love that he's the crazy dude who tears shit up in CQC. I hope I get to meet him.

[celest willow]

It made her furious.

‘You are savages!’ she hissed. ‘Do you even know why you fight?’

‘Yeah,’ Ufthak said. ‘Do ya know why yoo do?’

Dhaemira frowned. ‘What?’

‘Orks always fight,’ the massive creature rumbled. ‘Always ’ave. It’s wot we woz made for, but it ain’t just dat. It’s wot da gods want, but it ain’t just dat. See, da more we fight, da bigger we get.’ It tapped itself on the chest with one massive finger. ‘Da bigger we get, da smarter we get.’ It tapped itself on the side of the head. ‘An’ da smarter we get, da better we get at fightin’. If we don’t fight, we get slow an’ stoopid, an’ den we might forget about da gods. We might forget about tellyportas, an’ Gargants, an’ boomdakka snazzwagons–’

[celest willow]

this really does a good job explaining how the korks devolved

[tough haven]

I love the ufthak books