40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

yeah it's just probably gonna be chaos versus imperium

bringing in the other factions would be absolutely horrific

[crisp heath]

They tried to do a mmo like this that failed so hard

Was astartes vs heretic astartes

But they got to greedy

[hallow saddle]

Nothing ever happens in 40k lore

[wintry scarab]

Its fairly common for a space marine vet to wear their chapter iconography on the opposite shoulder because their traditional one is obscured. E.g: Like a studded traditional shoulder? Or did i just make this up?

[celest dome]

For Death Watch ?

[wintry scarab]

Excluding deathwatch.

Ive seen 30k marines do so. Just curious if 40k ones do

[plush shuttle]

Define hot

Cause I'm pretty sure Konrad was like

The only primarch to have such bad hygiene his teeth were rotting

[storm jungle]

I think thats suppose to be a satire on the average primarch fan

🫡

[crisp heath]

Maybe he means a medieval kinda hot 🤔

[plush shuttle]

Also damn how do you have like

The second most op form of regeneration

That a human can have

And have teeth worse than my grandma

I guess not even perpetuals can evade the consequences of bad hygiene

Being bat shit bonkers probably didn't help much either tbf

[sly ivy]

He’s British

[plush shuttle]

You're so right

Also why Konrad only uses knives and hasn't ever used a gun

[sly ivy]

The only codex compliant way to wear it is on your pee pee

Few understand this

[sly ivy]

Lmao

[plush shuttle]

Isn't the standard now

Left is chapter heraldry

Right is squad markings?

Aside from some exceptions

Like artificer or terminator armor

[golden imp]

I know at ranged orcs kinda just spray and pray, in melee though are they actually well skilled fighters dodging and parrying and feinting or do they just use their superior size speed and strength to bull rush anything in front of them

[queen laurel]

it depends

Some are reliant on their size some are dangerous because they combine both their size and cunning

[celest dome]

Depend, more Orks just use their brawns and the weight of their weapons than not

[queen laurel]

but most of the time they are actually pretty

handy in a fight straight up

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

especially the bigger ones because they have been fighting for so long

[storm jungle]

Basically look at how your average ogryn plays

its pretty close

[queen laurel]

yeah but sometimes way better at fighting because of the way their life works

[queen laurel]

also another funny thing orks can be actually rather accurate

most of the time it is basically just spray and pray but if an ork that is like say a commando wants to bring in a gun they would bring in better accurate

guns

[golden imp]

Ah yes…I remember hearing about “orc snipers” taking out ||imperial fist successors||

Quite accurate indeed

[hallow saddle]

has Konrad ever stabbed someone in the arse

[queen laurel]

Official kill team ork kommando snipa boy

[near wasp]

The easier question is what hasn't Konrad done

glances at bridge of his flagship that's literally made of people stitched together being kept alive by a horrific machine

[queen laurel]

they are pretty accurate

[near wasp]

Same accuracy as a guardsman I think

[tough haven]

They have strange ideas about “aiming” instead of pointing at the target and shooting, and letting Mork (or was it Gork) sort it out

They also do weird fings like keeping that seeing bit on top of their shoota instead of throwing it away like any self respecting Ork would

[humble shoal]

The lions

[hallow saddle]

Good afternoon the Horus Heresy is boring

[languid meadow]

@grok dis true?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[arctic talon]

Gork is dis true

[queen laurel]

ye

[languid meadow]

I cant even type gork anymore since I've made the grok joke too much

My phone just wants to say grok

[outer wave]

I love the stupid @grok joke

[queen laurel]

Ye i already said it

[rose thorn]

wtf is shattered legions

[rocky gale]

It's the 3 founding Legion that got most fucked up

[storm jungle]

the ones that got assfucked on the Dripshit Massacre

[languid meadow]

Istvaan survivors?

[rocky gale]

At Istvaan

Iron Hands, Salamanders and Raven Guard

[rose thorn]

[languid meadow]

Talons of the Emperor this month yippie!!

[queen laurel]

Crap she's flatlining

Quick someone get me AOS related stuff

[median star]

are their still any loyalist still alive from heresy

[radiant lance]

Guiliman

[rose thorn]

theres a spacewolf character in a dreadnaught

[vagrant fox]

Bjorn the Fell-Handed, the two primchuds walking around

but bjorn is in a dreadnought yeah

[median star]

so no none vegetablized astartes atleast

[vagrant fox]

I suppose The Anchorite is also there, but also in a dreadnought

and just in one novel

Shouldn't be, can't think of anything if there is any

well technically cawl

[median star]

maybe

[celest dome]

Did Dante not live throught the HH ?

[vagrant fox]

Naur he's like 1200 years old

[storm jungle]

nah Dante came around way later

[outer wave]

Are there any space marines alive from the Great Crusade?

[nocturne crest]

Khan?

[languid meadow]

The only ones would be either dreadnaughts or traitors

[vagrant fox]

A good smattering of traitor marines

Time is wack in the eye of terror

[languid meadow]

IF you wanna be really technical and pedantic

First gen primaris Marines as well, if they were born at the end of the GC and survived the HH just to be put into cryo

But it doesn't really count

[ocean rose]

Is the crusher lore accurate to the arbites or is it only there because they like blunt weapons?

[outer wave]

If they have it, its likely lore accurate, since final word is from GW and all that

That said, Arbites are fans of big, imposing instruments like the crusher, so it makes sense for them to use it

Their whole thing is intimidation

[ocean rose]

Yeah, that's what I thought because they literally do drills to rack their shotgun at the same time to be more imposing

So I wouldn't put it past them to use the big stick

[outer wave]

Yeah exactly

[ocean rose]

Thx though

[outer wave]

No prob!

[celest dome]

It has no precedence, but it's not really outlandish for them

[round tartan]

Alright so the voicelines confirm, that Rannick is incompetent, and Wolfer is incompetent too? This whole game is about two idiots sending expendable idiots to die against each others' idiots. I suppose that's very apt for the setting.

[tough haven]

40K in one sentence

[dire loom]

Based, grim derp moment

Truly Warhammer 40k

[rocky gale]

Are they both incompetent, or are they both so evenly competent that they exist in a constant state of stalemate

[round tartan]

Rannick didn't even figure out there was a cult on Atoma until the Dark Communion mission. And Wolfer keeps getting his lieutenants asploded by some random penal battalion rejects.

[storm jungle]

He knew there was a cult

its just that the cultists were assumed to be stragglers/militia just assisting the 6th

this is said on the blogpost for the Dark Communion mission

[crisp heath]

Fallen, Lots of chaos marines, Bjorn

[arctic talon]

If we count dreads

the number goes up slightly

[tough haven]

So how do the Aeldari perceive the necron war in heaven historically? I can only find their mythological version of the war in heaven

[arctic talon]

Its prehistoric history for them essentially

it is mythological to them

I think it cannot be overstated how long the Eldar have been around

[outer wave]

So this isnt as big of a plot hole as we thought it was? I know a bunch of us were thinking it was a weird moment, especially with Zola mentioning key Admonition figures that we never knew about

[arctic talon]

There are things that have just been lost to history

[storm jungle]

It never was tbh, a big "complaint" was a lot of people said a ton of the launch-game missions never acknowledge the cult in any capacity.

Which I always felt was intentional

so lo-and-behold lol

same as how the traitor guard were always the one ALL over marketing

[tough haven]

But do they know of like the necrons instigating the conflict due to the old ones? Or what do they know of how it started

[storm jungle]

They know everything.

[tough haven]

I’m trying to tell my Aeldari ranger player what they’d know of necrons and the war in heaven

[tough haven]

Even their creation by the old ones?

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Book_of_Mournful_Night

[tough haven]

Hold the fuck on I’m gonna read it

Give me a second

[storm jungle]

No.

[tough haven]

Blocked by my Wi-Fi, fuck me

[storm jungle]

lmfao

[outer wave]

Not wrong tbf, though now it looks like we have Zola knowing more details about the Admonition first before Rannick had any idea about the organized cult activity. My guess is that Zola may have seen the cult in action for a good while before joining up with Grendyl's warband.

[storm jungle]

also in the book Wild Rider the Eldar mention the Old Ones as their creators and guardians

[tough haven]

Wouldn’t that like directly challenge their mythology?

[storm jungle]

Not really no.

We humans got a ton of myths and do you see us making a fuss about that much?

[tough haven]

Cause don’t they have a creation myth for their race

[storm jungle]

They do.

[tough haven]

Well yeah but if there was a like direct, clear as day proof we were created by some other race, it would kinda make it tougher to believe otherwise

[storm jungle]

I mean it wouldnt, theres people now who dont believe in our scientific origin even though theres countless amounts of evidence for it.

[tough haven]

Or at least increase the mental gymnastics

[tough haven]

Fair enough

Me personally I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive

[storm jungle]

Anyway basically they know where they came from but have also developed their own cultural identity/origins to a point because its kinda what all sentient races do.

Dont think too hard about it.

[tough haven]

Too late, you can’t stop me!

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-feline-meme-funny-gif-1311900451581631541

[round tartan]

Wolfer still seeing himself as a defender of humanity even after falling to chaos is really how it's supposed to be treated. The writers did a good job with that.
Because no one wakes up and thinks "yep I guess I'm evil now", every evil person thinks they're doing the right thing.

[outer wave]

Yeah, I really like how it's all written

He's a guy that genuinely wants to do the right thing and keep his men alive

[tough haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294111560213598288/1389380907957489804/bebop-deadlock.gif

[outer wave]

It's just that he got involved with the wrong crowd

And now said men want to eat people or something

[round tartan]

in 40k he's not even that far off the mark
people in the imperium already eat people and it's not even considered a big deal

execute me if I'm wrong, but none of the chaos gods are actually that bad
they're manifestations of mankind's innate desires
it's natural to want to worship them

[storm jungle]

The chaos gods are absolutely awful

the comedy and grimdark comes from the fact that humanity is about as bad

it just doesnt have warp daemons lol

(and no stfu im not talking about living saints and shit)

[rose thorn]

Awful written or awful evil

[storm jungle]

awful evil

[round tartan]

that sounds like imperial propaganda
I'm gonna robbie rotten maxx and serve the chaos gods thank you very much

[storm jungle]

they are basically cartoon villains

which isnt a bad thing btw lol

https://tenor.com/view/jack-horner-what-took-you-so-long-idiot-flick-ethical-bug-cricket-gif-27517481

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[golden imp]

So the eldar were on the way toward making slanesh when humanity was in the dark age of technology

Did they ever interact? Fight, trade, intermingle?

Despite how crazy humanity was I figure the eldar would win any war humanity would try to pick at this point

[sly ivy]

Came from big frogge

Based & Slannpilled

[rocky gale]

There was a bit of war, an Eldar mentions about how they fought humans at their peak when they had the men of iron and beat them, but this seems to have been a blip because Eldrad talks about how before things went to shit the humans and Eldar shared the galaxy relatively peacefully, Eldar stuck to their maidenworlds since they weren't that expansionist and humans went everywhere else.

So I imagine it was basically a first contact war type thing, humans lost, both sides realised they didn't need to fight eachother and then just went about their separate business.

[storm jungle]

its also a case of the writers not checking about the own shit they write

so just like more 40k origin plots it becomes a clusterfuck lmao

[vagrant fox]

dilara is the next update cooking we need new content

[storm jungle]

Game is done sorry guys

🫡

[sacred ginkgo]

These are almost my cats exactly

[sly ivy]

Tf no this does not follow

They’re manifestations of humanity’s worst impulses

[opaque coyote]

If you think about it

Chaos is essentially copying humanity

On some level anyways, the Eldar and Necrons did more

"Hey, we worked hard to be absolutely depressed. We didn't need no daemons to ruin our lives!

The Eldar only needed to murder fuck to grow their god in millions of years

But we humans managed to grow our civilization ruining god in a mere 30,000!

Clearly we are superior

Wait hold on

34000* years

[dire loom]

[sly ivy]

Based

Mayflies win again

[tough haven]

We saw their run and perfected the speedrun strat

[opaque coyote]

Meanwhile the T'au are beating our record on "Robots betraying the race that created them"

Smh

First record holder was the C'Tan, although it is still debated on whether it counts

Eldar make decade long videos about the topic to this day

[arctic talon]

Eldar never lost the AI uprising game

lul

Tau have so far not lost it

whoever made the Chaos androids did lose it

[winged jacinth]

Eldar dodged it by using ghosts instead of computers

The tau and votann are treating their respective AI populations respectfully which might work out or they might get grimdarked

Though honestly i can't imagine an ai uprising because if would completely change most of their rosters

[late osprey]

i dont think we know at all what the conditions were for the humans' AI uprising

like not in any specific sense

[crimson grove]

sooo, um, her story has been canned basically ?

or do you see it with the regular classes and not the ar bite ass ?

[winged jacinth]

one must remember the true force that guides history in warhammer 40k ||injection molds of GW quality are really expensive||

i understand you still see it as base 4

[crisp heath]

https://youtu.be/yizSjcJtYxA?si=uRAKbbk9H8T-lk3I

Warhammer doco done like the old history Chanel documentarys

If anyone remembers those

[round tartan]

distinction without difference

[arctic talon]

don't see it as arbite

[arctic talon]

We do know it was a total clusterfuck with different factions

[opaque coyote]

If they ever tackle it

For whatever reason

I hope it's not the generic like

"I want to destroy humanity"

Type shit

Personal headcanon is that it was actually them fighting for their view on humanity

Like some wanted to lead them

Some is the classic extermination

Etc. etc.

And everywhere in-between

[languid meadow]

I mean if you take URs word for it he and a bunch of others wanted to remain free

So it wasn't a kill all humans situation it was just killing to be free

[celest dome]

The AI revolution was just them Unionising

[arctic talon]

UR is imo a mostly reliable narrator

They get along with humans and sentient life

They’re just terrified

[opaque coyote]

Yeah most of their inner dialogue and writing is less

"I will murder all the filthy humans"

And much much more

"Holy shit I just want to be left alone. Why do you keep pestering me??"

Like a desperate refugee that's always running and hiding

Except this refugee can probably rip a space marine in half

[cunning mango]

Yall im thinking about buying all the end and the death books because i heard theyre good

Should i do it

[shadow plover]

have you read anything else from the Siege of Terra or the Horus Heresy?

They're very good but you'll miss a lot of things if you've not read anything else in the series

[cunning mango]

Yeah ive read the legion of the damned

10/10 book

[shadow plover]

Not a Horus Heresy book though? The End and the Death books are the final culmination of The Siege of Terra series which itself is a epilogue to the Horus Heresy series

[rocky gale]

You must read all of the Horus heresy first in the correct order, someone send them the chart

[shadow plover]

You jest, but a couple key novels would be pretty vital for the very final story yes

[storm jungle]

Id say just read summaries

🫡

[shadow plover]

you say that yet you ridicule Clad (as you should) for doing so which one is it

[storm jungle]

though he couldnt even read a summary

mfer is afraid of rulebooks so cant imagine novels 💀

[queen laurel]

the only warhammer literature he reads is all related to 30K you give him a 40K novel he will enter into a paralytic shock and explode

[plush mason]

lmao

[shadow plover]

real

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-eliud-gifs-w40k-warhammer-40k-combate-warhammer-40k-enfrentamiento-gif-17234204100212948546

[celest dome]

Just gaslight people into thinking you have read the books

[plush mason]

where is that gif from?

[shadow plover]

WH+

Tithe series iirc

[plush mason]

ah

[celest dome]

||DT's next update trailer||

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

[plush mason]

that cat will be you when Dilara gets you

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Mod Mandated Edict: Vaporisation

[plush mason]

correct

[cinder pivot]

Vaporeon-isation

[queen laurel]

Mandated Edict: Gas Chamber

[celest dome]

No, no everything but that

[sacred bluff]

Late birthday present on right arrived

[storm jungle]

Lmao nice

[dapper gyro]

Joytoy scale creep again it seems.

And bloody hell, once again I have to say, that name sucks ass...

[queen laurel]

@celest dome
big ass troll with lore

[sly ivy]

Relativist nonsense

[gray umbra]

ah yes sock cock

[rose thorn]

NAHHH

WULFEN?! SERIOUSLY?!

[queen laurel]

AIght mags easy there before you pop a vein

[rose thorn]

Putting a 25 year old kit

In a combat patrol

[sly ivy]

lmao

[sly ivy]

There’s no way those are 25 years old

[rose thorn]

They are 25 years old

[near wasp]

They're older than me

[rose thorn]

Greyknights are only 17 years old in comparison

[queen laurel]

They are not that old

[rose thorn]

Ag

My bad

Google gave me the wrong info

[queen laurel]

still though they they are pretty decently age

[arctic talon]

Pretty good box ironically

Wulfen are kinda old and I hate them

But they’re fine for the people who like em

[arctic talon]

If they were 25 years old they’d look a lot smaller and less dynamic tbh

[whole ruin]

Hey, question please. How does Arbites fit in with the Rejects? is it lore accurate for them to ever fight beside them?

[rose thorn]

they are iltearlly 18 years old still

tnf

tbf*

sorry they are 8

lmao

my math is sof ucked

[queen laurel]

yes

their usual job is making sure a planet is providing it's tithe

But because tertium is currently in anarchy

They decided to help us do our job

[whole ruin]

I see so this has happened before or it's just within Darktide now it has first happened?

[queen laurel]

What do you mean just happened?

Like a planet having its tithe stop because of

Conflict?

[whole ruin]

Like is there a history of Arbites fighting along rejects? or helping them do their job?

[queen laurel]

well the thing is with rejects

level 30 ones are basically inquisitorial acolytes now

Mind you they are basically the lowest ranking inquisitorial members but they are now official members

Arbites naturally interact with other members of the imperium to do their job

if need be

[whole ruin]

Thats cool 🙂 thanks for letting me know. Very interesting

[celest dome]

There are basis for Arbites fighting alongside the Inquisition or Rogue Trader before

[queen laurel]

yeah that too

they basically keep the main laws of the imperium around planets they have a presence

[arctic talon]

look, anything 7e is new to me because I started in 7e 👴

I remember these coming out

and everyone hating them

[rose thorn]

lmao

[arctic talon]

There were a few releases in 7e like that

looking back on it

[queen laurel]

aight grandpa

[arctic talon]

silence child

I will send you to the resin mines

to extract forgeworld Ork minis for all of time

[queen laurel]

lmao

[sly ivy]

Yeah they’re technically sound but stylistically they’re ass

Cartoony bs

[arctic talon]

yeah

the 3e mini that time forgot

[sly ivy]

Their faces look like Alvin & the chipmunks (derogatory)

[tough haven]

Some dude sent me this video in another server to prove that the emperor loved his sons and was great

https://youtu.be/QmKXFbvi24c?si=zcBKb6-G91C7JM_3

Like mfer, yeah! He was!

[plush shuttle]

I mean the emperor did love his sons and was also a shit father

Those aren't mutually exclusive

[tough haven]

Yeah he did love his sons

He just sucked ass at expressing it

[tough haven]

Factual

[celest dome]

He didn't.

He was a shit father yes

but the Primarch were tools

[outer wave]

Yeah I thought he saw his sons as only tools

[celest dome]

Nothing more nothing lesss

[tough haven]

He loved them in a fucked up way that doesn’t really resemble the word

[plush shuttle]

The Arkham land stuff doesn't prove anything he literally tells mortarian he can be redeemed in Godblight and tells hours at the end of end and the death that he forgives him

[celest dome]

No he didn't

Like he loved his Custodes I would accept

But not the Primarch

[queen laurel]

OK if you love your son would you a talk to him about worshipping you as a God in a rational manner because you understand that human emotions are important or you go be bomb his work in front of him and tell him he sucks

[tough haven]

I would if I had a really fucked up sense of “love”

[queen laurel]

If you try to reason with me here I will hit you in the head with a wrench

[plush shuttle]

There's so much more evidence that he actually cared about his sons than him treating them like only tools

[tough haven]

There’s a ton of straight up abuse parents that could look at that and be like “it’s for his own good”

[celest dome]

The lore never really has pointed to the Emperor loving his sons

Like even Sanguinus is not really paternal love

[tough haven]

The second one because I love bombing things

[tough haven]

Oh I don’t doubt it

But I could see how people could interpret it as such

They’re misguided

[plush shuttle]

Did you read the end and the death?

[tough haven]

But I can see it

[celest dome]

People excuse the Emperor quite often

[plush shuttle]

The emperor literally has to give up all his love and kindness to kill horus

[celest dome]

I've read it quite a while ago

[plush shuttle]

And even then he literally says

"I forgive you and wait for you"

How is that not love

[celest dome]

Have you read the part about Guilliman's last meeting with the Emp, or what he has done with Agron ?

[dapper gyro]

Big E does love his tube sons. However, he has other priorities.

[rocky gale]

I forgive my coworkers when they make a mistake that causes me to have to do more work, it doesn't mean I love them

[celest dome]

His love is conditional on them being useful to him

[tough haven]

Out of curiosity, why not just smite Horus Heresy then?

[outer wave]

Considering how he treats Angron, the son that was supposed to be the empathetic mediator, maybe at least some more than the rest, but otherwise ehhh

[tough haven]

(I don’t do 30k)

[plush shuttle]

Ok but the end and the death is very recent, with guilliman he's a shattered broken cripple, and with angron

[celest dome]

Smite what ? the story ? or smite Horus during the heresy ?

[tough haven]

Besides very tangentially

[plush shuttle]

Well poor angron

[tough haven]

No I mean the actual guy, I was doing a joke

[near wasp]

He doesn't love any of them, he only used there emotions for him to manipulate them

[tough haven]

Like when he has the chance at the end of the heresy

[celest dome]

tbf, the "empathic son" is more fan fictions iirc, care to confirm @storm jungle

?

[dapper gyro]

Again, priority. He has things more important, and fixing Argon, or any primarch for that matter, weren't on it until it was too late.

[outer wave]

Mm! Didn't know that

[celest dome]

I think

[rocky gale]

When the cashier at McDonalds tells me my order is going to be delayed I also say "I forgive you and wait for you"

[dapper gyro]

So while he does love them, he is still a terrible person.

[celest dome]

Dilara may confirm or infirm it

But he doesn't love them 💀

[outer wave]

I just hate the stupid thing where he decides not to fix his brain, despite being the smartest man alive (or even just letting him die and starting over again)

[storm jungle]

Its all of the above really

its what you get for when like 10 different authors write a character lol

[celest dome]

So him being the empathic son is in lore ?

For Agron ,

[storm jungle]

Angron is an Empath ye

[vagrant fox]

It's in Slave of Nuceria

[celest dome]

Well i'm surprised$

[storm jungle]

the idea is gone the moment he gets the nails so its not really a big point

so thats prob why lol

[queen laurel]

Until he got lobotomized so badly he got reduced into the average steam forum user

[dapper gyro]

Big E can't even treat all of the primarch equally. Dude is flawed.

[outer wave]

I feel writers could've played more into it, where perhaps him being an empath still makes him sensitive to people's emotions despite the lobotomy/Khorne influence idk

[dapper gyro]

Half of the traitors are the ones he loved more.

[vagrant fox]

Angron is a little idiot booboo who couldn't figure out how to breathe if it took any brain power why waste the time

[near wasp]

Angron should of just ripped out the nails and went out on his own terms

[celest dome]

Honestly would have been a baller move

[near wasp]

Instead of letting his dumbass brother lorgar corrupt him

[celest dome]

And I would have respected it

[outer wave]

^^

[dapper gyro]

Horus, Fulgrim and, funny enough, Magnus, were the most trusted of Big E.

[queen laurel]

My guy was handed life in a blood covered platter

Honestly would have been a better fate than what he is now

a blood hungry monster that only lives to fight

[vagrant fox]

That's too much thinking above I'm gonna throw myself at the enemy and hope they'll kill me despite practically nothing in the galaxy can

[dapper gyro]

He is too pussy to die for the greater good.

His own legion hated him. He has a smaller legion because he decided that they should cull themselves...

[queen laurel]

Greater what?

[dapper gyro]

Found the spy

[queen laurel]

You ain't gonna catch me you dirt and wood chopping git

[celest dome]

Did the WE hate Agron ?

[arctic talon]

Yes

And then he killed all the officers who hated him

And tried to talk him down from killing them all

Kharn was the only one that managed to not get murderized by angron

And then angron decided that he would be shoving nails into their brains and his kids agreed to it

[outer wave]

I thought the WE wanted to get closer to their primarch dad, so they inserted prototype Butcher Nails into their heads

[rocky gale]

Did Angron make them get the nails or did they do it themselves to imitate him and he didn't give a shit

I thought it was the latter

[outer wave]

Yeah I thought it was the latter too

[arctic talon]

He brought it up

And then they did it

In any case yeah they did it to emulate him

[celest dome]

I know the Librairian didn't get nails

But dit the medic SM get some ?

[outer wave]

Did those things ever show a WE dying early due to brain degeneration?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Black books mention it

Nothing in the novels

[outer wave]

Damn

[celest dome]

Doesn't make sense, hence making sense

[arctic talon]

The psykers tried

It uh

It made them explode

[celest dome]

Are there still some WE Librairian around ?

[arctic talon]

No, the WE librarians, dreadnoughts and a not isnsignificant chunk of the legion

Tired to stop Angrons acension

They all got massacred by angron

If there were world water psykers nowadays they’d be post heresy recruits

[dapper gyro]

1/3 of the legion tried to fight back.

[arctic talon]

The world eaters as a legion pretty much tore themselves apart

[dapper gyro]

The majority gets wiped out, while most survivors join other legions.

[arctic talon]

Which yeah that tracks

[dapper gyro]

Many WE put on the nail because they are scared. They thought of either guaranteed death or they might be able to run away with the nail on.

Regardless, it is stupid.

[sly ivy]

Isn’t that all love

[tough haven]

No, no, not really

[sly ivy]

🤔

[storm jungle]

Me when incels

🫡

[vagrant fox]

smh the emperor isn't a character he's a standin for the absentee father nerds have

[astral burrow]

They got discord banned

[golden imp]

Are the chaos legions interesting post fall to chaos? I’ve really only read guard books so far and they just seem like cartoonishly evil mustache twirlers

[arctic talon]

Yes

They are

They’re pretty intresting

Though some are completely evil lol

And love being evil

More recent csm are also fun

[storm jungle]

Malcador was the moderator

[opaque coyote]

Tbf if you think about it, the Craftworld Eldar are

Slightly less racist than most of their contemporaries

Except Biel-Tan

Obviously

But I could say that the average is less than the Imperium

In fact, if your first impression of Humanity was the Imperium

You would 100% be racist

[lament shoal]

Can members of the guard and commissariat receive service studs? Or is that just a space marine thing?

[opaque coyote]

Just SM, and even then its falling out of favor from many chapters.

[arctic talon]

That’s a marine thing

[lament shoal]

Gotcha, ty

[arctic talon]

And it isn’t even a thing in every chapter yeah

[opaque coyote]

Given that it's literally nailed to your skull

[lament shoal]

Yeah lol

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I wouldn't want them tbh

"Congratulations on 100 years of service! Now hold still..."

pulls out a nail gun

at least the UM can get a gold stud

[lament shoal]

Another question, can Fortress Worlds have a Schola Progenium?

[opaque coyote]

Yesh

[lament shoal]

Perfect, ty

[opaque coyote]

Scholas are basically schools

[hallow saddle]

Depend on the author, but mostly yes, its more interesting in 40k than 30k

[cunning mango]

Hey yall

[opaque coyote]

Gotta have more Commissars, Sisters, etc.

[cunning mango]

How long you think GW is gonna let the golden throne slowly fail for until they have to stop it

[opaque coyote]

As long as the plot armor holds

[golden imp]

Until the tyranids finally reach earth and eat him

[hallow saddle]

Until sales drop and they need to refresh the settting

[opaque coyote]

There's no definite timeframe even in lore

[arctic talon]

It’ll always be slowly failing

[cunning mango]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

It’s one of those things that will never resolve

[opaque coyote]

They just know it's failing

[arctic talon]

Until GW needs to blow up the setting

Lol

Which is unlikely

[hallow saddle]

Think of it like this, why would they end a setting that's raking in tons of money?

[cunning mango]

The boy is hungry, feed him another john grimatice book

[arctic talon]

But hey maybe we could have another 7e situation again

[hallow saddle]

So they maintain the status quo

[arctic talon]

Where they’re making so little money

They need to do something drastic

See; AoS

Though whfb was a dying sick old person

[hallow saddle]

It ain't happening

[opaque coyote]

Tbh I do wish for the Throne to blow up because having a bunch of Imperial splinters sound interesting.

Would also make the Xenos like Eldar and T'au much more of an actual threat.

[arctic talon]

Who was bleeding out in the streets

Lol

[hallow saddle]

They're making more money than ever, not even including IP licencing

[languid meadow]

Eldar will never be a galactic threat even with a splintered imperium

That's like their whole motif

[opaque coyote]

Yeah ik

[languid meadow]

Tau I could see

[opaque coyote]

But if you're a splinter with only like

Say

[storm jungle]

Eldar also never really wanna be an active threat

[opaque coyote]

A system's worth of territory

[storm jungle]

their entire thing mostly is "bing chilling"

[opaque coyote]

The Craftworld looks a lot most terrifying

[arctic talon]

Eldar want to just relax and chill

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Would give more of an excuse for fights

[arctic talon]

They already are

Craftworlds are fucking terrifying to the imperium and they ignore them

99% of the time

[opaque coyote]

True but imagine only being a system, and your main empire just fell

[lament shoal]

Drukhari on the other hand...

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

You would probably be shitting your pants

[arctic talon]

People already do that

Lol

[languid meadow]

Craftworlders will never take over a planet unless it's a spirit world, drukhari will just go back to bdsm land, and the clowns are dino lovers will jist vibe.

[cunning mango]

Didnt they talk about intervening in the HH in the end and the death vol 2 i believe it was in the very beginning of the book

[arctic talon]

That was in the case of chaos

Which the eldar hate

[opaque coyote]

Chaos is just

Everyone's enemy

[arctic talon]

Chaos is the greatest threat to existence

[opaque coyote]

Unfortunately nobody can stop fighting for 0.1 seconds

[arctic talon]

The eldar hate it as much if not more then the imperium hate it

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar are the same tbh

[arctic talon]

I don’t think it can be understated how much

[storm jungle]

they raid because they can and just escape when they can

[arctic talon]

The eldar hate chaos lol

In 7e and 8e

Eldar had a specific rule

Where they got bonuses to fighting chaos

In melee

Because they’re just that full of hate about chaos

lol

[opaque coyote]

That is some potent hatred

[arctic talon]

Now granted the rule was kind of unfun if you played chaos

But it was fluffy

[languid meadow]

The kings chariot cannot be stopped

[arctic talon]

Guardians and non aspect warriors got a hit to morale but good bonuses

[opaque coyote]

Does Slaanesh have a minor bonus to Eldar

[arctic talon]

Aspect warriors got Hatred: chaos

[arctic talon]

Yes, and eldar had a rule to deal with it as well lol

They had a specific rule for slaanesh

Where their morale was super shit

Aside from aspect warriors, incubi and some other units

But they got massive bonuses

It was called like “the greatest enemy of all” or something

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I like to think that Slaaneshi daemons are like

"I REMEMBER YOUR INTERWEB HISTORY..."

"IT WAS ONE TIME MAN
JUST ONE TIME YOU FUCKING SA'L SPAWN!"

morale lowered

[arctic talon]

Ancient Doom

“The Aeldari hate and fear She Who Thirsts above all else, for in Slaanesh they see their doom made manifest.”

Universal rerolls on all slaanesh units if you’re in melee/within 3 inches of them lol

[opaque coyote]

I know a lot of y'all are annoyed with TTS

But I think Slaanesh's depiction in "Russ's baby game" was actually disturbing

[near wasp]

I'd say Russ was fucked up for that but it's the dark elder so they deserve it

[arctic talon]

LOL

The drukhari deserve everything bad that happens to them

[opaque coyote]

It almost made me feel bad for the Deldar

Which is surprising

The complete and utter fear

It shows how truly fucking terrifying Slaanesh is

[arctic talon]

They deserve it

If they had a good haemonculi

[opaque coyote]

"We come, we come, we enter your city."

"Paint the walls with your blood, so pretty!"

"Listen to your bones as they loose~"

"The wonderful sound of your abuse."

"Listen your soul sing as it boils in our pool~"

"Your fate will be a thousand times as cruel~"

Slaanesh enters the Materium

[lament shoal]

A nice detail in rogue trader is that some of the lines dark eldar say after you kill them has them talking about how they can feel Slaanesh pulling them in as they die

[opaque coyote]

Tbf

They deserve it

Barely

[vagrant fox]

TTS isn't the worst, they have some cool ideas
the fans are very evil

[opaque coyote]

TTS has a lot of good jokes, although overused

TTS Kaldor Draigo is still my favorite thing like

Ever

I think I even used "Have you ever tried a Tangerine?"

In a DnD session

[languid meadow]

If you get a boner we'll have to kill ya

[opaque coyote]

Tbf that character was also insane

[tough haven]

12 seconds to midnight

[opaque coyote]

Like "I have the voices of my dead friends talking to me"

Type of insane

[arctic talon]

Nah not barely, they just deserve it lol

[vagrant fox]

They're just slibbigy little guys who're out having fun

[opaque coyote]

I say barely because being tortured by Slaanesh is a fate definitely much worse than mere death

And I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy

[humble shoal]

Slaaneshmas special was honestly a pretty good parody of the eric andre show

Same frenetic energy

[humble shoal]

Vulcan probably allied with slaanesh if he ended up in the warp

[tender pine]

One of my vocal stims is just "DELETE." "Oh no."

[opaque coyote]

YOU MADE ME THIS WAY

[humble shoal]

You left me unfinished

"Im gonna do my own solo black crusade"

[opaque coyote]

Also Ahriman somehow smoking harder shit than Lucius is funny

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/aZv0hp6Ge1g

YOOO LETS GO

[humble shoal]

Yup

Anyway I liked TTS a lot, dorn was funny and easily quotable

The.... depiction of the black templars was pretty accurate

[opaque coyote]

Nah it 100% is

I do admit I do think that I think Alfabusa did use GW's thing as a half excuse

To move onto something new

But I genuinely believe that he still wants to at least end it

Properly

I think that's why the indefinite hiatus started at Part 2

[opaque coyote]

25 fucking minutes?

Is this man insane? To condense it that short?

I thought a review liek that would take an hour

[storm jungle]

hes simply Him

[opaque coyote]

Seriously though like I think short word limit essays

are much harder than like

"X word minimum"

Because as you know, I can 100% yap until the minimum

But condensing my thoughts is much more difficult

So props to him for condensing it like that seriously

[storm jungle]

thats why Ian is just great 🙏

[arctic talon]

I would because I’m a petty bitch lol

[spare osprey]

IAAAAAAAN

Welp new vid to watch

[storm jungle]

its goated

he has such good opinions on each book lol

[opaque coyote]

Honestly that's probably an insult in Eldar Culture

They probably wouldn't say her name directly for obvious reasons

but like to express your utter disdain, you'd probably say some shit like

"I hope your soul stone breaks you fucking mon'keigh."

[near wasp]

May the drinker take you

[rocky gale]

Damn that's the equivalent to typing "GC" in League

[near wasp]

Ok feeder

[opaque coyote]

tf does that mean

[proven needle]

I'm probably late to the party but is GW for real

Askar’s Wolfpack is led by Fyrri Askar, a ferocious Wolf Guard Battle Leader

😂

[storm jungle]

I legit had a stroke reading that

[languid meadow]

waiter waiter more wolfs

[rocky gale]

It means ||Get Cancer|| pretty sure you get auto banned ingame for typing it now

[opaque coyote]

you're playing league

it's like a nurgle virus

you probably already have cancer

[opaque coyote]

Also Get Cancer is probably less offensive than like

Slurs

Racism

Etc.

It's on the same level of like

"Go fuck yourself"

Yk?

It would be tiring seeing that a lot but like

So does every other insult

I just kinda hate how uncreative shit talking is now

[languid meadow]

I mean it was just slur slinging back in the day as well

at least in VC

[rocky gale]

It's just the fact it was used so commonly that it got an abbreviation

[languid meadow]

gotta optimize the shit talk

[sly ivy]

Based efficiency

[languid meadow]

with helldivers 2 coming to xbox the pipe dream of ODSTs in HD2 can be real

https://tenor.com/view/halo-odst-drop-unsc-orbital-gif-26464117

[sly ivy]

ODST schmodst

When do I get my tempestus scion swag

I’ll take solar auxilia in a pinch

[late osprey]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN

[dapper gyro]

The current standard appearance for the Tempestus Scion is kind of meh to be honest.

Regimental elites look so much better.

[arctic talon]

@rose thorn do you have the shot of the giant spider from rumor engine in a background shot

[arctic talon]

I love how scions look ngl

[dapper gyro]

I see them as wearing a simple single piece breastplate.

[late osprey]

Scions are legitimately my favorite "regiment"

[sly ivy]

Me 2. I mean sure update them. Aquilons are great. Command squad is great.

[arctic talon]

I agree

[sly ivy]

A man of taste and intelligence

[arctic talon]

I get if people dislike how they look

But they fit the

[late osprey]

And I soypog'd when I saw the scions with the grav-chutes

[arctic talon]

Horrifying faceless stormtrooper look

Imo

[sly ivy]

Oh no he likes them too now I can’t argue about this

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/00/Tempestus_Scions.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160828081005

[dapper gyro]

The aquilons guys do look good though.

[arctic talon]

Kasrkin and grenadiers

Both are just

Cadian but with more armor

And dkok but with more armor

Not that it’s a bad look

[sly ivy]

They just got points buffed in 40K just sayin

[arctic talon]

It’s a very good look

[late osprey]

Scion game where they talk like Combine

That's my dream game

[sly ivy]

Honestly Helldivers is so good all I want is Scion skin

And pvp

[dapper gyro]

The regimental elites also wear masks as standard.

[languid meadow]

fuck it's so swag

I love scions

[arctic talon]

They look more human

Imo

Grenadiers especially

The beady glowy eyes of the scions

[late osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYPg3pzCRKM this shit be playing as scions deploy

[arctic talon]

Scare me more

Then the normal gas mask with metal on it

Or the cadian visor

The fact scion eyes “glow”

Adds to it

[late osprey]

I DO like the oldschool classic stormtrooper design too, but Scion is just a flat improvement

[arctic talon]

They’re cool

They also still exist

Lol

[late osprey]

Yeah they're inquisitorial troopers specifically

[arctic talon]

The inqusitorial stormtroopers

Are the least scary

They show the most face

Also catachan devils

[sly ivy]

Yeah the eyes are iconic

I also like that they’re not totally sci fi looking — their chest plates and stuff still have that archaic ornamented Imperial look.

[late osprey]

They really just look Quintessentially Imperial

My problem with a lot of regiments is that they're only 40k because someone slapped an aquila on them (yes even beloved classics like ASL)

But Scions are the ultimate example of something unmistakable

[languid meadow]

I mean I can only think of 3 regiments that could be mistaken for something else

Krieg, Valhallans, and Praetorians

[late osprey]

ASL, Catachans,

[languid meadow]

oh yeah and catas I guess

forgot they existed

[late osprey]

Mordians

Tallarns

[humble shoal]

Scions give that jin roh energy

[late osprey]

Jannissaries are a good anti-example

As are Elysians

Vostroyans are also a good anti-example

Especially when they have the masks

Point being there are A LOT of regiments that I feel aren't creative enough aesthetically, but I like Scions because they're very unique in that way

[arctic talon]

Vostroyan masks are really good

Tbh GW’s reasoning for so many of the guard regiments being like that of

“You can use historical as guardsmen”

Is neat

[humble shoal]

Mordians arent unique, but boy are they fashionable

[arctic talon]

Ignoring the fact

A lot of historical minis look fugly

Compared to GW ones

[late osprey]

I don't mind that they exist and it allows lots of kitbash opportunities

Just not my style

[arctic talon]

Fair

[humble shoal]

Solar auxilia are still peak

[languid meadow]

There's one regiment that destroys them in swag

[humble shoal]

Fashion

[languid meadow]

Terrax Guard

Love them

[late osprey]

Runner-ups would be Cadians and Vostroyans for favorite regiment design, although I do like the playstyle of Armageddon Steel Legion A LOT

[humble shoal]

Thats, less fashionable

Drippier though

[arctic talon]

Tbh divorcing playstyle from regiment is the best choice GW has made lol

Detachments are much better then subfactions

Though I wish subfactions still existed as their own system

Along with detachments

[humble shoal]

https://youtube.com/shorts/i63WqfeHxG8?si=1JUJ61DI__-lvURL

[late osprey]

oh they did?

that's actually great

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[late osprey]

i havent played in years but i last played when all the Regiments were just Regiments Of Hats

[arctic talon]

The steel legion detach is very steel legion themed

but not called steel legion

It’s called “mechanized assault”

[languid meadow]

I can't believe it's not steel legion

[arctic talon]

Anyways dkok is prolly the most boring goddamn playstyle

Back when subfactions existed

Why yes I would like to never interact

Ever

Thanks

[humble shoal]

This is my trench

There are many like it

But this one is mine

[arctic talon]

Me when parking lot list

I will relentlessly mock any parking lot list

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/sheep-rescue-fail-doh-stupid-gif-21222927

[dapper gyro]

Some of them is about the battle scars, which is a show of veteran and intimidation of its own.

[arctic talon]

Yeah but they wear carapace armor in lore often

Though some are shirtless lol

[dapper gyro]

Standard scion is nothing but the mask.

[arctic talon]

It’s the armor + the mask

The way the armor is designed is very 40k

You’re not going to convince me that scions are bad

Or boring

I do respect your opinion though

[dapper gyro]

Even then, many wear berets. The aquilion beret wearer looks way more intimidating.

[arctic talon]

I don’t like the beret’s without helmet ngl

[dapper gyro]

Even though I dislike it. Beret has no place on the battlefield.

[arctic talon]

I’m so sad GW didn’t actually make a head for that

Tbf

It’s the guard

Also it’s a flak beret

[dapper gyro]

Aquilion kill team has beret wearer.

[arctic talon]

This is real lore

[humble shoal]

Catechan are cool

[arctic talon]

With the helmet?

[languid meadow]

I really wish the scion SLs had a half mask with their berets

[arctic talon]

I must have not noticed

[humble shoal]

Cursed catechan with scion head

[arctic talon]

Lol

I like how the catachan dude in dark heresy looks

With the flak armor

[humble shoal]

Bane headass

[arctic talon]

https://preview.redd.it/yo-we-get-a-catachan-jungle-fighter-as-a-companion-in-dark-v0-xwdqoexzjd2f1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=c8669185a60634d6e98fb1891668a141349febe5

[storm jungle]

Wish he looked hotter

fucking rambo reject

🗣️

[dapper gyro]

This one looks good https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/threeSixty/99120105123_KTTempestusAquilonOTT1360/01-01.jpg?fm=webp&w=600&h=600

[humble shoal]

Hes got a friend shaped tattoo though

[arctic talon]

I agree

Heinrix is hotter

[humble shoal]

Also why does he look like he is duckfacing

[arctic talon]

So is Solomorne

Hopefully it’s just this art

Or maybe he just looks like this

[median star]

further proof ur a genestealer

[storm jungle]

no u

[arctic talon]

I hope the eldar is hot

I mean what

[storm jungle]

lmao

[humble shoal]

Yrliet was annoying

[storm jungle]

based

[storm jungle]

I wish he looked like

[arctic talon]

Yirlet is fun

[storm jungle]

fucking Dolph Lundgren or something

[arctic talon]

She’s about what I expected

Lol

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky4-drama-sylvester-stallone-dolph-lungren-i-must-break-you-gif-3875942

[humble shoal]

Her voice lines

[arctic talon]

The only thing I dislike is the act 3 thing

Which they should uh

[humble shoal]

Make no sense for the character

[arctic talon]

They should just make

[languid meadow]

This look is peak

[arctic talon]

The other dude

[languid meadow]

mask with beret

[arctic talon]

By default

[languid meadow]

is so good

[arctic talon]

I agree

[humble shoal]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

It’s a little weird lol

I like the rest of her stuff in act 3

Just not the inciting incident

Make it you know who

[humble shoal]

She broke her soulstone for me: Im not your pet monkey

She was great but she never got to go

Rogue trader was too much of a chad by the end

(Sanctic biomancer vanguard)

with charge on kill boots

[arctic talon]

I hope dark heresy has less turn economy abuse

It lacks officer in the ttrpg

So hopefully

They do not import that shit lol

[humble shoal]

Hopefully

[plush shuttle]

How does rogue trader compare to bg3 does anyone know

I might start a playthrough

[humble shoal]

It has a lot more text

And is less animated

Its good though

[plush shuttle]

That's fine, I loved disco elysium

[storm jungle]

Its nowhere near BG3 tier but its an incredible game, very fun and one of the best 40k titles ever imo.

Takes my top 3 spot with Darktide and Mechanicus

[plush shuttle]

Is the crpg stuff annoying cause bg3 builds were pretty straight forward

[plush shuttle]

Mechanics 2 hype!!!

[arctic talon]

Very complex builds

Just follow a guide if you’re lazy

[languid meadow]

Bg3 builds are more straight forward since it's DnD

And they had way more editions/time to refine it

[plush shuttle]

Is it more complex than dos2 then?

Those are the 2 main crpg games I've played

I almost got pathfinder at one point

[languid meadow]

Is Dos 2 based on a system? Or is it their own

Idr

[plush shuttle]

And I've played like 2 minutes of tyranny

I'm pretty sure it's their own

[storm jungle]

Worst case just play on a lower difficulty

like-

[plush shuttle]

Is rogue trader based off a system?

[storm jungle]

as fun as the mechanics can be, i was very much there for the plot lol

[arctic talon]

Yes

But it’s fine

It’s pretty hard to brick a build

[languid meadow]

I really hope Mechanicus 2 doesn't have a timer

Hated that

[dapper gyro]

In 40K lore, anything can be flak, some even carapace.

[plush shuttle]

It's not a difficulty thing it's more like a how much time does my indecisive ass want to spend staring at the level up screen lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao honestly depends on how much you wanna do lol

like the format is pretty easy

its like a O shaped circle going clockwise

you just select the skills and perks you want with each progression

it confused the shit out of me before i realised the game literally guides your hand as you select the perks you wanna get 💀

worst case you can just ask here

[plush shuttle]

Oh speaking of best Warhammer games

[languid meadow]

Why'd you skull react me is this the riddlers does he know? Situation

What am I missing

[plush shuttle]

I'm trying to convince some of my friends to try dawn of war ultimate apocalypse

[vagrant fox]

On normal difficulty I picked things at near random when leveling up and it was fine

[plush shuttle]

Should be good then!

Are there other space marines or only wolves

[languid meadow]

For what? Rogue trader or DoW UA

I think they have like every mainline chapter in UA

[vagrant fox]

Ultimate Apocalypse is fun enough, too bad the game just isn't my kind of thing anymore

In RT there's just the wolf

[arctic talon]

For rogue trader it’s only space wolves

[plush shuttle]

Rogue

[storm jungle]

also

read a guide before you rescue Ulfar

hes a fucking cunt to get

I gave up at the end because I couldnt be assed lol

[plush shuttle]

Damn only wolves 😭

[plush shuttle]

Is he worth it as like a significant power up to the party or are all party members roughly equal in strength

[arctic talon]

He’s fine

He’s on the weaker end ironically

Bcs he’s so big

[humble shoal]

Well there are hidden companions in rt

[plush shuttle]

Damn ok

[arctic talon]

In any case Ulfar is fun

[storm jungle]

^

[plush shuttle]

Y'know what

I've decided that my rogue trader hates marines

And ulfar can stay away!

[storm jungle]

LOL

Based?

[arctic talon]

[plush shuttle]

No Stinky wolves leaving hair on my ship

[arctic talon]

Lol

[humble shoal]

Game is also super moddable so you can make yourself a space marine....

[humble shoal]

You could have the other space marines on instead....

[storm jungle]

How about we make you a space marine

allow me to start by opening your chest cavity

🪚

[humble shoal]

Do it you wont

[storm jungle]

[plush shuttle]

I accidentally ate the third lung

Whoops

[humble shoal]

Why no make malcador marine

[storm jungle]

look up the grey knights