40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

maybe

[languid meadow]

all of the old models looked goofy

[normal light]

Yeah but CSM were pretty mutated (logical for them to be)

[arctic talon]

in any case I'd say the single biggest retcon GW has ever done aside from 1e to 2e

is like

[normal light]

and less recognizable as what they were

[arctic talon]

the necron retcon

lul

[shadow plover]

and the best retcon

[arctic talon]

everything else is tiny

Necron retcon retconning 5 different factions at once

[winter vessel]

i did think the wraithbone retcon was funny

[arctic talon]

Necrons, Eldar, dark eldar, orks, humans

[normal light]

and now common CSM is a standard Space Marine but more edgy

[arctic talon]

its not even a retcon tbh

Its just worded awfully

wraithbone basicially ceases to be warpstuff

and is infact solid material

once its fully manifested

they just chose the word ore for reasons beyond my comprehension

[shadow plover]

oh my god I had forgotten about that wraithbone debacle from last year. People really went ass over heel for a single paragraph leaked from the codex which made perfect sense with the whole context

[arctic talon]

the wording was still ass tbh

but yeah

[winter vessel]

still funny seeing Eldar fanatics malding over it

[arctic talon]

they can be mad about stuff sometimes

[dapper gyro]

Well, considering things they get, you can't blame them.

[arctic talon]

Well

if any eldar player bitches about the current refreshes

I'm hitting them with my Metal Warpspiders

[winter vessel]

spider man theme

[languid meadow]

can't wait for another marine chapter refresh

[arctic talon]

the last 3 editions have treated eldar very well

imo

[arctic talon]

Theres nothing left to refresh

aside from grey knights

god please GW

do not

[languid meadow]

It's GW

they will find a way

[arctic talon]

They'll just refresh existing shit

is my bet lol

[winter vessel]

they're just gonna do it out of spite

[arctic talon]

New intercessors anyone?

its about time

[winter vessel]

at this point

[arctic talon]

nah

it makes them $$$

lol

thats why they do it

[languid meadow]

What Chaos marines need refreshes at this point?

I haven't been following them at all besides the big mono god refreshes

[arctic talon]

Chosen(not really), Warptalons, Raptors, Chaos Lord in terminator armor

[normal light]

List me out, IG upgrade sprues for different Regiments

[arctic talon]

They're just gona be killteams

[normal light]

Not that much needed

[arctic talon]

pretty much every faction

aside from Drukhari and Grey knights

is like done

Eldar have one thing left in resin that isn't specific to one craftworld

[normal light]

They already look mostly decent

[arctic talon]

CSM have just slightly uglier older minis

which is fine

Orks need the most out of all the refreshed factions

[normal light]

Idk they don't look that Ugly to me

[arctic talon]

they're fine

[dapper gyro]

Next year, chaos primaris marines.

[arctic talon]

but GW will refresh them lol

[normal light]

NOOOOOOOO

Or yes

Really depends

[arctic talon]

they won't do that

legionaries are way too new

lol

[normal light]

I think so

[languid meadow]

I would like GK and Custodes to be more to scale but like that's not gonna happen for a bit (eh maybe GKs)

[arctic talon]

There's also no real point

in primaris CSM

like yeah they can print money

but they don't need to use that word

lol

[arctic talon]

GKs are updated next edition 100%

same with Dark eldar

those 2 factions are literally the only 2 left

who are mostly pre 7e plastic

[celest dome]

Aye, have them be set around that thing that that Slaaneshi dude is doing

[dapper gyro]

Just don't add more clothes to them and they will print crazy money.

[arctic talon]

People will bitch regardless if the dark eldar minis are the exact same but bigger

lol

Leilith is like

the exception not the rule when it comes to how Wych's look

most of them wear some armor in lore, Lelith is just a massive show off

[languid meadow]

A lot of older models just need a good resizing

posing goes crazy on this one

[arctic talon]

Custodes are getting a refresh in heresy imo

One of the teasers was a new guardian spear

[plush mason]

so Angron left monuments to his first invasion on Armageddon, why?

[arctic talon]

He’s a show off

He’s still on khornes big list of blood thirsters and daemon princes

He’s competing for number 1

[plush mason]

ok so it wasnt to prepare for another invasion

[arctic talon]

No

[rose thorn]

arent the custodies still huge?

[arctic talon]

But it would be useful

As they’d be big things of chaos energy

[arctic talon]

Their scaling is bad

Size is fine

But they’re very

[rose thorn]

ah

[arctic talon]

squat

GW is moving away from heroic scale

[plush mason]

hell one of them corrupted an ork hunter into a prophet of the blood god so yeah i say they where

[arctic talon]

Into their own scale lol

[languid meadow]

their termies are the same height as a normal primaris marine which is hilarious

[arctic talon]

Their termies are def small

Tbh

[languid meadow]

actually prob a bit shorter? let me find it

[arctic talon]

They’re like weirdly small

I’m not sure why

[rose thorn]

could be worse tbf

[rose thorn]

waht the fuck

[rose thorn]

how???????

[rose thorn]

arent these new?

lmao

[storm jungle]

Tbh its like

a case of almost actual eldar fans not giving a shit

but other people getting mad

[languid meadow]

that picture I posted is from 9 months ago

[storm jungle]

because uh "retcons bad"

[storm jungle]

gene-alchemy 🫡

[languid meadow]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/AdeptusCustodes/comments/1flb0zj/have_custodes_and_primaris_models_always_been_the/ They just need a rescale in all honestly they have a decent amount and are fine

[rose thorn]

idiots on twitter are saying ironhands are getting removed from warhammer 40k, because theri symbol isnt on the droppod

[storm jungle]

LMAO YEAH

My favorite was like a year ago

"oh my god my 30k vehicles cannot be used in 40k anymore!"

literally just a predator with a round top

get the fuck over it lmao

mfer has like 10 variants of a single vehicle while every other faction sits with like 5

[rose thorn]

LMAOOOO

ppl need to take a break from the interent and go paint their models

[languid meadow]

I was trying to figure out when the last time Incubi got a new plastic model and I find this post about a new one

6 years ago

sweet

[arctic talon]

Me when legends

Lol

[arctic talon]

The new incubi are super cool

[languid meadow]

yeah they are

I just find it funny

[storm jungle]

deserved honestly

space marines got like 95 vehicles

grow the fuck up and stick with what you have you overfed dickheads

[arctic talon]

I’d say honestly anything made during and after 8e doesn’t need updates

But I know GW will update the primaris stuff

[storm jungle]

need more units

🫡

[arctic talon]

Prolly not

Just refresh of the existing

[storm jungle]

Prolly yes.

Im gonna laugh in your face when they release another new unit

[arctic talon]

I disagree personally

[storm jungle]

Desolator ahh

[storm jungle]

no

[arctic talon]

There’s a few slots left

[storm jungle]

more

[arctic talon]

GW is going to fill

But aside from that no

[storm jungle]

Yes.

More

[arctic talon]

Or maybe they’ll shit out more

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Idrc

It’s not my problem

Lol

I’m basically content

[storm jungle]

Yeah but you physically get hurt

[arctic talon]

I’ve been working on my eldar recently

[storm jungle]

and I like seeing people suffer

🫡

[arctic talon]

Yeah bcs some dumbass drops a box of leviathan on my foot

[storm jungle]

That was me sorry

(not)

[arctic talon]

I cannot believe you’re a 6’2 black dude who lives in America

[languid meadow]

it's only been two years give me another Triarch Stalker

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside the leviathan box dropping on my foot really fucking hurt

That box was heavy as hell lol

[languid meadow]

Thankfully Necrons only really need character refreshes

and the nightbringer and deceiver but that's not happening

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-like-that-will-happen-gif-14783019212194612503

[arctic talon]

It’s happening next edition

[languid meadow]

Waiter Waiter more AoS models so I don't have to buy the official Nightbringer

[sly ivy]

I fucking knew it

[alpine tinsel]

||Morrow executing the commissar is so based||

[rose thorn]

did their KT get main game rules yet?

[arctic talon]

No

Prolly never

[rose thorn]

damn

to be fiar its liek 2 heroes an a unit of the sniper guys

but doesnt feel right...

[sly ivy]

Dilara has more male energy than an nfl locker room

[rose thorn]

?????????

[sly ivy]

.

[rose thorn]

oh i thought u were being transphobic sorry lol

[sly ivy]

Not this time but I am very afraid of Dilara

I mean in the way that one should be afraid of eg a grizzly bear

[languid meadow]

It's a Technomancer, deathmarks/immortals

[sly ivy]

She also has more American energy than an nfl locker room

[paper haven]

I haven't officially heard of them.

[opaque coyote]

I do not care if Miku is slop for anime loving weeaboos

She is my favorite flavor of slop

C y a n

the 40k warhammer reference makes this relevant trus

[outer wave]

This is very cute

[opaque coyote]

yes

[opaque coyote]

i fucking love Sage's face in the "about to vomit" one

it's a super fan meeting the celebrity they love (in a less parasocial type manner)

[outer wave]

LMAO

Its kinda true

[opaque coyote]

ngl if miku was an actual celebrity I would be like that as well

[outer wave]

Whaddya mean, she is!

Her new hit song, Static, just came out!!

[opaque coyote]

((real))

As a genuine conversation topic. Why did the internet fall in love with Miku and Vocaloid?

While later on, other companies attempted to do something similar but failed miserably.

Meta/Facebook tried and it was rightfully immolated by a flamer.

I guess because it's obviously artificial?

Like how we find some obvious non-horrific robots adorable.

[raven stone]

https://youtu.be/ppQvTfkKfU8?feature=shared

so apparently we have gone full circle.

[opaque coyote]

But as soon as they try imitating human being looks they immediately activate our

"BURN IT" instinct

but human mannerisms are fine (mostly)

[celest dome]

Cause it was early, and never really tried to be more than it was, just an artificial voice box

That they then gave a cute avatar and back story wrote themselves

[opaque coyote]

Although tbf her voice is also based off of a famous Japanese VA, Saki Fujita.

With her voice basically being the model for Miku's.

[opaque coyote]

Ironically this song basically illustrates your point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-2dIuV34cs

"All I wanted to do is follow you"

To go into pretentous mode for a moment.

Like you said, Vocaloid never tried to be more than a tool to make songs with.

It became a "celebrity" out of pure word of mouth and cultural osmosis.

A story telling method.

While companies who tried to simulate something similar failed because we could tell it's manipulation from the beginning.

There's no human element ironically enough.

It's funny to think that something so artificial sounding is more human than any attempt to make a digital celebrity by a company.

[celest dome]

Ye, Miku's status grew somewhat organically, instead of being pushed as a facebrand that some of those AI have.

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-miku-hatsune-snapcube-fandub-sonic-gif-2638471551607268190

[celest dome]

It's somewhat comparable to most corporate take over, where they do similar stuff to what has worked, but it faking the para-social aspect

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-triple-baka-kasane-teto-vocaloid-miku-gif-4622480269711069830

I also find it funny that half the songs using her voice

half of them are cutesy

the other half are just edgy or horrific

so you can watch Miku be a magical girl

and then the next song is just her contemplating suicide, whether life is even worth living, and how worthless she feels

[forest moat]

Good changes

[crystal forum]

we'll have an accurate tactical depiction of the dropsite massacre

we're only one edition away from siege of terra i feel it

[arctic talon]

Well

we were literaly right fucking there

at the end of 2e lol

[tall holly]

I just want HH mech stuff for 40k admech 😦

Robots are so cooler, and more of them

[arctic talon]

ngl I'd just be happy to get whats around and actively used in 40k still

and mentioned in the fucking lore constantly

but GW HATES US

/hj

Its like 90% of the mechanicum motor pool + all the priests + tech thralls lol

[tall holly]

Nah we get go go gadget skitarii sniper on stilts while HH has the best looking bots GW makes

[arctic talon]

kastellans look good smh

rip Alan Bligh

[tall holly]

So my admech collection paused

[arctic talon]

Fires of Cyraxus his dream that he never got to fufill lol

[arctic talon]

if you just collect then it shouldn't be an issue

[tall holly]

rip

[arctic talon]

tbh

[sour hornet]

bruh

[arctic talon]

I own a bunch of mechanicum stuff as well tbh lol

[sour hornet]

Who the fuck would willingly drop there?

[arctic talon]

They didn't know

[crystal forum]

iron hands, raven guard and reptiles

[arctic talon]

that they were going to get backstabbed tbf

they thought they'd get a second wave of reinforcments

after the inital drop lol

[crystal forum]

ferrus was not thinking clearly

[arctic talon]

Ferrus was also being a dumbass

[sour hornet]

that is literally a multi kilometer wide kill alley

[arctic talon]

the idea was tactically sound

[sour hornet]

drop fucking anywhere else lmao

[tall holly]

I bought and painted a Spartan for my marines and next edition no rules for standard 40k use so I got burned once

[crystal forum]

the badass part is they still inflicted a big toll on the traitors

[arctic talon]

Legends is usable outside of tournament play tbh

[sour hornet]

poor bastards

[arctic talon]

I'm not sure why people focus so hard on that as "killing" something rules wise

[sour hornet]

that's gotta be hell

[tall holly]

fair

[crystal forum]

then iron hands lost their primarch

[arctic talon]

I mean again, in theory it would have been fine

they didn't know they'd get boxed in lmao

[sour hornet]

Fighting outnumbered in a shitty, shitty position

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/muerto-gif-16250174877271582365

[tall holly]

I want to shift into Legions but am waiting for 8mm scale Emperor titan

[arctic talon]

What

I mean thats literally the lore lol

[sour hornet]

That's a box canyon, even without the traitors you do not attack in position like that

[crystal forum]

this is what the astartes had been doing for the great crusades previously

[arctic talon]

^

lol

[tall holly]

Ferrus Manus was to blame, he raged right into an obvious trap

[arctic talon]

also the map they posted

was incomplete

it doesn't include Solar Auxillia, Imperial army or loyalist titan legion forces

[arctic talon]

Ferrus made it go from bad to worse

wait nvm

they are there

why are they in those positions lol

[tall holly]

Should have kept a cool head

[storm jungle]

bro fell for the ragebait

[crystal forum]

twink death

[arctic talon]

mfw

Gj Ferrus

[crystal forum]

they dont call it a depression for nothing

[sour hornet]

I thought we learned at El Alamein in 1942 to not go charging into prepared defensive positions

[arctic talon]

Thats lost history

[crystal forum]

they just weren't prepared to be fighting other marines

[arctic talon]

they also weren't planning on getting fucked by 8 legions at once lol

[crystal forum]

imagine stumbling accross istvan 5 in 40k

[sour hornet]

that's severe

[crystal forum]

just a planet full of dead space marines

[sour hornet]

💀

[crystal forum]

imagine the loot possibilities

[arctic talon]

it got salvaged by the loyalist mechanicum survivors of istvaan lmao

which was not a lot

[crystal forum]

ofc it's mechanicus

they prob kept it all

[arctic talon]

yes

[crystal forum]

bastards

[tall holly]

Pretty sure the Imperium double tapped Istvaan with another exterminatus?

[crystal forum]

that was the other istvan

[tall holly]

Ah

[celest dome]

Quickly thinking of it, maybe the best world to be born of in the Imperium might be Sea worlds. Like the planet the Moebian 21st are from.

[arctic talon]

ironically no

Istvaan 5 is still intact

[crystal forum]

istvan 3 is the one that comedically kept getting shit on

probably the most bombarded planet in the whole setting

[tall holly]

Beta Garmon the Titan graveyard. Admech still pissed Sanguinius bled the Legios dry before Terra

[crystal forum]

HH is a whole lot of large scale destruction

[tall holly]

Why the 'good shit' is rare and only used if absolutely needed, like the ordinatus

[arctic talon]

do we count the one Macharius dropped a moon on

lol

I think that one might count

[storm jungle]

Terra is deffo the most bombarded one

[crystal forum]

it certainly helps when authors make new shit up to be destroyed every book

[storm jungle]

you had like hundreds of ships on the surface dropping shit

[crystal forum]

it didn't get exterminatus'd

[arctic talon]

good point tbh

[storm jungle]

well

it kinda did

basically nothing was standing post-siege

💀

[crystal forum]

i don't even know what happened to the planet outside the palace tbh

[storm jungle]

Uh

basically everything

[crystal forum]

maybe when we get the campaign book....

[tall holly]

Terra is worshipped but one of the worst planets to possibly live on. Deathworlds may be nicer

[storm jungle]

razed, exploded, etc

[storm jungle]

Yep

its literally 1 hive-planet

[arctic talon]

its explictly the shittiest hiveworld in the imperium

lol

[storm jungle]

theres no surface left that isnt just a shithole metropolis lol

[arctic talon]

do you know how hard it is

to get that title

shittiest hiveworld

[crystal forum]

it's the endgame dungeon

terra unironically has multiple places that would kill even main characters

everything under the palace for starters

[tall holly]

Take him to Terra https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJy38HNjMU&pp=ygUTdGFrZSBoaW0gdG8gZGV0cm9pdA%3D%3D

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270113965193822208/1388974134029193299/IMG_6657.png?ex=68643ff7&is=6862ee77&hm=4c97f21400a9d1c5819bf3c21fb089252bbd371ed00c86f59926b58012297d73&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

good description of terra tbh

Vaults of Peak

[storm jungle]

Vaults of Terra has such good descriptions yeah

[crystal forum]

is this about new york

[arctic talon]

no

[crystal forum]

it should be

[arctic talon]

its detroit smh

[crystal forum]

this being said it would only take like 4 agri worlds to feed terra

grimdark go brrr

[storm jungle]

Nah it wouldnt

theres trillions upon trillions of people on the planet

agri-worlds can barely feed systems half the time

[arctic talon]

there is literally quadrillions of people on Terra lol

you are not feeding it with just 4 agri worlds

also they need to import water

[tall holly]

The real mystery of 40k is where Terras oceans went

[arctic talon]

drank it

/j

[crystal forum]

that's a made up number stop it

[arctic talon]

Its not

its literally in vaults of terra

[crystal forum]

shush

[arctic talon]

they literally say terra has quadrillions of people on it

Which would be possible

[crystal forum]

i cast sleep on you wolf

[tall holly]

Aliens stole oceans or somethin in Old Night

[crystal forum]

it would not be possible wtf do you mean

that's a thousand trillion

the usual 40k quote says there's trillions of humans in the entire galaxy

and a million worlds

[tall holly]

GW's infamous lack of sense of scale

[arctic talon]

Well its part of vaults of terra and vaults of terra is peak

smh

[arctic talon]

also the usual preamble says untold billions

[crystal forum]

that's even less!!

[arctic talon]

but its obvious the imperium is in the trillions of human fodder

lol

point being I don't think its illogical for terra to have a quadrillion people on it

[tall holly]

Tertium easily houses Trillions. In 3d scale populations would have to be enourmous to justify the size

[crystal forum]

i think it's extremely illogical

[arctic talon]

how so

There's new pilgrims coming in constantly

[crystal forum]

alright i'll do some quick google math

[arctic talon]

Someone has already done the math

it is possible

It would be absolutely god awful

but this is the imperium of man we're talking about here

human comfort doesn't matter

also a large chunk are pilgrams, not long term residents

so they'd just be in that godawful line to go see the golden throne

[sour hornet]

Only description of Terra that grasps scale properly methinks.

[arctic talon]

I agree

the way Wraight describes terra is so full of hate and spite

its great lol

[crystal forum]

who did

it would take 360 days to empty earth's current water reserves with a quadrillion men drinking the bare minimum to survive

[sour hornet]

As it should, Terra is just obscene—in scale, in opulence, in squalor and decay. A gilded pit into which falls a truly unfathomable amount of resources from across the Imperium.

[crystal forum]

maybe he's british and thinking of london

[arctic talon]

I'm talking about quadrillions of people being able to be on Terra

the water being all gone is a ???

thing in lore lol

[crystal forum]

im just giving comparison of water requirements

[arctic talon]

there's no given explanation

Well the imperium literally does not give a shit about its population

[crystal forum]

it's a lot of water

i said the bare minimum to survive

[arctic talon]

people starve and die of dehydradtion constantly on terra

no

they're not surviving

lol

thats the funny part

[crystal forum]

there cant be trillions of migrants every day

that just doesnt make sense

[arctic talon]

Well there's also births still

of the actual population

[crystal forum]

how are you expected to raise a child when you cant even survive yourself

[arctic talon]

again, the logic isn't if the imperium can support it

the question is if its possible

[crystal forum]

imagine the resource requirements for a baby to become adult only to die of thirst

[sour hornet]

Becomes a little moot when you can just capture massive asteroids and consume them for water.

[crystal forum]

see it would make more sense if most of the deaths are from migrants

[arctic talon]

that

IS LITERALLY WHAT I AM SAYING

A majority of the populace are Pilgrams

who mostly die horribly

[crystal forum]

you were deflecting to births after

im saying stick to migration

it makes more sense

[arctic talon]

Thats why the number is somewhat stable

We don't know the exact numbers

but the people who die enmass during any sort of supply cutoff are the pilgrams

[crystal forum]

a quadrillion is still an absurd number

maybe ten trillion

[arctic talon]

[sour hornet]

You can't empty water supplies on a planetary scale by drinking it all, just recycle it. It's not like this shit is going into oceans.

[arctic talon]

Quadrillion is the number given

I think its fine

[crystal forum]

"just recycle it"
that's literally the hardest part

[arctic talon]

it helps capture how awful the imperium is

[sour hornet]

Yeah in fucking M2

Easy peasy in 40k.

[crystal forum]

i dont think quadrillion is fine when every other author never reaches anywhere near that number

[storm jungle]

It makes sense

stop thinking so hard you furry

[arctic talon]

We've never been given a number of people on terra in late M.41

so like

[crystal forum]

we've been given broad ranges of populations on other planets

a hundred billion maybe

a trillion possibly

quadrillion is nuts

[storm jungle]

I mean yes

thats the point

also again

terra is an entire city-world

theres no spot on it aside from the outer areas of the palace that isnt riddled with spires and buildings

[arctic talon]

that both stretch up and down lol

[storm jungle]

yep lol

[sour hornet]

You people are caught up with the amount of people on Terra when GW has never given us a solid number of how many people are in a single regiment of guard. GW clearly hates numbers in general lmao.

[arctic talon]

Ironically the issue would be heat

lol

not like

shoving people in

but this is 40k

[crystal forum]

guard numbers are always super low is the funny thing

[arctic talon]

not reality

regiments are stated as ranging from hundreds to tens of thousands for amount of people

thank you GW

[crystal forum]

i know 40k is mostly shoving energy issues into the toilet but there's a limit

i think this is the limit

[arctic talon]

no there isn't

[sour hornet]

We know the 6th is 50,000.

[arctic talon]

yep

[sour hornet]

"Mostly"

Lol, lmao even.

[crystal forum]

should be a million for a whole regiment

[arctic talon]

like wdym whole regiment

[crystal forum]

minimum

[arctic talon]

like

the entire planet

or something like the moebian sixth

[crystal forum]

cadians have to be in the tens of millions

[arctic talon]

bcs the Sixth being 50k is whatever

actually

why the fuck did GW use the same word

regiment for the organizational class

and for the fucking name of subfactions

when you say millions do you mean for a guard subfaction

because the numbers given for regiments are not for the entire subfaction

[crystal forum]

for the entire group called cadians

[sour hornet]

Hive city of 90,000,000,000, its most famous, fierce regiment is like 50,000 people.

bruh

[arctic talon]

okay then yeah they're in the millions

bcs the average size of a cadian regiment(as in the sub division) 10,000 guardsmen

excluding support staff and vehicle crew

[crystal forum]

and they're all over the galaxy

[arctic talon]

Yep

let me check the numbers

on the regiments

brb

[sour hornet]

Are you serious?

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-26826812

[arctic talon]

why

they have a fuck ton lol

There's at least 4021 Cadian Armored Regiments

there's absolutely more

[crystal forum]

the big regiments have a lot

[arctic talon]

and there's at least 4002 Infantry regiments

there's likely more

[arctic talon]

How is that bad?

[crystal forum]

mostly because they all have a home planet dedicated to making guardsmen

[arctic talon]

there's never just one regiment deployed to a warzone

like

I'm not sure how 10,000 guardsmen for a regiment is bad

[crystal forum]

thousands of guardsmen die regularly

it's the numbers faction

[arctic talon]

yeah

but there's multiple regiments present

at every battle

its never just The cadian 175th

its like the cadian 175th, 293, ect.

and like other planets regiments

lol

also again the word is average

numbers can change based on what they decide to do

[sour hornet]

Add another digit or two to those numbers and it would make more sense.

[arctic talon]

I mean

they reuse numbers lol

The cadian 8th was wiped out at Cadia

it was reformed

ect,

It would be hilarious if the Imperium never reused a number for guardsmen regiments

[sour hornet]

It reads like normal irl shenanigans rather than 40k massive battle shenanigans.

Like I wanna read about the C*dian 1165th

[storm jungle]

I do love when some authors do that rarely in 40k stories

[arctic talon]

They do write about them

Tbf

[storm jungle]

where its like some regiment with a fucking number of like 9584th

[arctic talon]

The cadian 4021st

Is the given tank regiment on Iax

Along with a few others

And they all fuckin die

Lol

[storm jungle]

based

[sour hornet]

[arctic talon]

GW does like using comically big number regiments

Warzone Nachmund has like

The 8000th something Miasman Redcowls lol

[storm jungle]

yeah like

I feel as if some writers dont realise how many disposable regiments you can send into a warzone lol

[sour hornet]

^

[arctic talon]

The only people who realize are modern rulebook lore writwrs

Nachmund has like 500+ regiments present

For the defense of 1 planet

And there’s also no Cadians in nachmund(somehow)

[sour hornet]

Like its great to reuse numbers and such, but it comes accents as weirdly dystopia when the unit list reads something like "Mobian 1756th, Vitrian 5613rd, Harakoni 3521st"

[arctic talon]

At least in the recent book

[sour hornet]

Thank god

[arctic talon]

I mean the lists do read that way

They just also have some random low numbers

Which is funny

It’s a good mix

[storm jungle]

thats good imo

when I write campaigns on my homebrew I usually like using regiments/sub-factions I made up on the spot

it makes the galaxy feel larger

instead of Cadian fucking parasites everywhere

[arctic talon]

Okay my fault

[storm jungle]

Also me with Cadians btw

[arctic talon]

There’s over 600 regiments

On the nachmund planet

[storm jungle]

I need that campaign to be over already

we know chaos is gonna lose

they are taking too many Ws

its gonna fall apart lmao

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[arctic talon]

GW try not to give chaos W’s in every warzone and crusade challenge(impossible)

[sly ivy]

Dilara is a traditional Cadian name

[arctic talon]

Oh my god lol

What a video

[storm jungle]

The best part is

[arctic talon]

The end

[storm jungle]

he instantly fucking gets killed 10s after he says all that shit

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Oh my god LOL

[storm jungle]

ITS SO GOOD

[sour hornet]

Bruh I had my surround speakers on, and they just blasted "I DON'T LIKE JEWS." across my fucking living room

[arctic talon]

GUH

[storm jungle]

OR NATIVES

[storm jungle]

Also condolences

[median star]

yea well well uh well cadia stands

[sour hornet]

C*dia resembles a box of chocolate sprinkles

its over bro

[storm jungle]

I still cannot believe they sent Agatha Trunchbull I MEAN Ursula to that shitheap of rocks for a mcguffin

and its just new planet settlement locations

CREED PLEASE

[median star]

maccabians my beloved

when or if they ever give us maccabian cosmetic god let atleast one class have bionics aswell in their set

[arctic talon]

Anyways there’s still Cadians in other parts of nachmund unfortunately

[crystal forum]

best joke fatshark has done

[arctic talon]

Maybe someday GW will resist making a warzone completely empty of Cadians

[arctic talon]

It’s so funny

[storm jungle]

Cadians settling everywhere is a worse disease than some shit like the Walking Pox

💀

[median star]

maybe its simply just above them but would ripper guns not also make as good weapons for astartes

[crystal forum]

i hate them

they look mid

cadian has no drip

[storm jungle]

they would tbh

[arctic talon]

They have auto shotguns already but yes

[storm jungle]

Space Marines literally use like

every single weapon type

[arctic talon]

Ripper guns would be great marine guns

Lol

[crystal forum]

what even is a ripper if not just a big shotgun

[arctic talon]

No shuriken weapons(yet)

[arctic talon]

It got knife

[crystal forum]

amazing

[median star]

time to make tech marine with 5 ripper guns attached to his back

the mulcher marines

[terse kestrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/745324840097153167/1389283183815823481/image.png?ex=68640e4a&is=6862bcca&hm=10b1dad54a022f5fdf3933a12a821002dd175c55bf16d216342b829475bbff22&

Does anyone recognize the name

[arctic talon]

Lostock

It’s gland warrior stuff

[terse kestrel]

That’s cool. They would be pretty strong rejects

[plush mason]

when did the Zoats gets a new mini?

[arctic talon]

Blackstone fortress

back in like 2018? 2019?

[sacred ginkgo]

Blackstone fortress expansion

I have it around somewhere

[plush mason]

GW loves their mcguffins

[cinder pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yizSjcJtYxA

[tall holly]

Another xenos army like zoats would be badass. My pick would be rak'gol

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130328220303%2Fwarhammer40k%2Fimages%2F9%2F97%2FRak'Gol_Render.jpg&f=1&ipt=e92949e25784f6cb076ff526a29248fd70796ca58fa72d356dbbb08b5d5c0f95

[tough haven]

Anyone got any good runtherd art? Tryna make a portrait for my runtherd character

@storm jungle usually you can hook folks up with art

[dire loom]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-flamer-heresy-purge-warhammer40k-lightning-claws-gif-16488791

[tough haven]

Thanks ya git!

[dire loom]

We get custom unit numbers for our Arbitrator characters or am I tripping?

[sour hornet]

Yeah bro

Precinct 56, the Hourglass.

[languid meadow]

Yeah it's cool

34 for Tancred Bastion

[sour hornet]

Its always on your right chest

[languid meadow]

right on the penance gear, on the shoulder for the coat

and the deluxe edition armour is getting changed apparently

[sour hornet]

On the cape for the deluxe lmao

obscene lmao

[languid meadow]

it's not supposed to be really really big on the back

let me find the forum comment

[sour hornet]

your precinct number still clips on the normal gear

[languid meadow]

I can't find it so I look crazy now

[sour hornet]

Wheeze lmao

[dire loom]

Cool, my precinct is 34. I noticed it's rare. I see a lot of 56s.

[sour hornet]

It's based

I grinded for the hourglass penace "Nomad" title

[dire loom]

I only noticed after a while, it was hella funny. I thought everyone was 56 because of how common it was until I looked closely at my character. Lol xD

I was like (wait a minute..)

[sour hornet]

makes sense for it to be my precinct

I see alot of 13s and 34s

[arctic talon]

what are the precinct numbers anyways lol

[sour hornet]

Where your arbitrator was stationed on Atoma

[dire loom]

What server you on?

[sour hornet]

US east

[languid meadow]

Hourglass 56
Tancred 34
??? 87

those are the ones I know of

numbers at least

[sour hornet]

Hourglass is 56

[languid meadow]

GRAAAAAAAAAH

[dire loom]

They're 4 of em, based on the precinct you choose. Also, I think they're like unit numbers.

[dire loom]

Something similar to military unit numbers.

That's my guess.

[languid meadow]

I mean it's Precinct numbers like our cops in the real world

[arctic talon]

no I meant like, what are the specific numbers

[sour hornet]

It's just where you're stationed

[arctic talon]

lmao

not what they mean

[sour hornet]

Oh lmao

[dire loom]

I think 56 is popular because you're on the front lines against the war on crime essentially.

That or people rouge corrupted crooked cop head canons.

Like the Mobian LA or Chicago or something etcetera.

[languid meadow]

Found it hold on

[sour hornet]

The hourglass is pretty sick

[dapper gyro]

rouge? red?

[languid meadow]

Hourglass - 56
Torrent - 13
Fortress Vortern - 34
Throneside - 87
@arctic talon

[green loom]

The bite of 87

[dire loom]

They're military police, I think it's both not just cop IRL stuff.

[arctic talon]

ty

[green loom]

They're more like heavily militarized tax collectors

[dapper gyro]

Chasm station is part of the Bastion?

[languid meadow]

@sour hornet what colour is your right shoulder? my is red which is on the models but idk if FS decided to be weird with it

[dapper gyro]

Arbites are separated from the Military in the lore.

[dire loom]

Torrent is downtown LA, Hourglass is Chicago, Throne side is good part of neighborhood. Tancred Bastion is like DC precinct.

The vibes

[dapper gyro]

Though, like real life police departments, they have unit number for each zone of a city.

[dire loom]

Oh that's what you meant, my bad. Lol

[green loom]

The Tancred Bastion is some dirty prison truck

[languid meadow]

Oh wait I meant

RAAAAAAAAH

Doign too many thigns at once

[sour hornet]

Black with a red stripe

[arctic talon]

Huh

dif colored shoulders

[languid meadow]

Ok it's the same

[arctic talon]

nvm

[languid meadow]

some people were talking about shoulder colours changing which makes no sense

just making sure

[sour hornet]

It used to

it used to just be black in game, but it was black with a red stripe when inspected

[dire loom]

Exactly, I was just thinking that too, but I don't have an actual map on the Hive City, plus it's confusing.

Like Hab block 55, precinct 55.

As a example

Just another guess. Warhammer 40k scale hurt brain

[languid meadow]

But yeah I fixed it, I meant Fortress Vortern

instead of Tancred

[arctic talon]

Well

[dire loom]

It's a privileged position. From what it says on the fine print.

[arctic talon]

arbites aren't law enforcement

Not for petty crime at least

[dire loom]

But.. why would it have a number then if it's a ship? LMAO

[languid meadow]

It woudln't

I was wrong

typing too fast

[green loom]

They have the authority to do it but they mostly just care to stabilize the tithe and little else beyond

[dire loom]

I guess the ships are apart of the hive city proper just floating around in space sometimes.

[sour hornet]

Bureaucracy, these ships are garrisoned for a long fucking time.

[languid meadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/971904116144095292/1298312105069514812/media-iv-text.gif

[dire loom]

Flying city states

[dire loom]

Pay taxes

[dire loom]

Nice

[sour hornet]

In the US Army, even temporary units get callsigns, designations, etc. I can imagine it would be the same in the Imperium with ships that have seen service for 300+ years.

[arctic talon]

pay your taxes

[dapper gyro]

Arbites is federal law enforcement.

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pay-your-taxes-president-kimball-new-california-republic-ncr-fallout-new-vegas-gif-14389908297065584387

Pay Taxes

[dire loom]

Just imagine a giant Arbites space ship in orbit and you hear Pay your taxes or else!

[dapper gyro]

Most of the crimes are not their jobs, it is the job of the local enforcer.

It is also why Arbites has "Enforcer" rank, for the lower rank assigned to no "cleaning" jobs like the local enforcers.

[dire loom]

**Attention Hive World that's been through countless wars, famine, poverty etcetera..

It's time to pay your taxes and contribute to the Tithe!!**

[arctic talon]

the fact arbites have strike cruisers

is so fucking funny

[dapper gyro]

Like, the FBI won't touch most of the day to day crime in a city.

[dire loom]

SWAT?

[sour hornet]

Super police.

Judges

[dapper gyro]

But FBI will absolutely breaks in with their HRT for exemple, which is military SF level trained, if they need to get the mission done.

[dire loom]

Oh that's right, I'm judge Dredd. My bad, muh memory bad.

[dire loom]

Attention citizens

[sour hornet]

They are basically the living embodiment of the Lex. So unless it threatens Imperial authority, tithing, or tax collecting, etc. They aren't gonna (read. dont HAVE to) get involved.

[dapper gyro]

Yes, FBI SWAT and not local police department SWAT. They are not on the same tier.

[sour hornet]

Many worlds have less than a dozen Arbites governing the entire world.

Some have exactly one.

[dire loom]

SWAT, Detective, Judge, Jury, Political Officer, Enforcer = Arbites

[sour hornet]

^

Basically

[dapper gyro]

Local enforcer are run by the local planet or city goverment.

[sour hornet]

For example on Hydraphur, there are so many Arbites on planet you do see them performing standard "enforcer" duties.

[dapper gyro]

Not the same as arbites enforcer.

[dire loom]

[sour hornet]

It's in the Shira Calpurnia series.

Hydraphur is Segmentum-level important, so there are thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Arbites on that planet.

[dapper gyro]

For the moment, the Psyker Savants are former enforcer, but they didn't work with arbites.

[dire loom]

I'm gonna copy paste that for future reference. I need to buy a book about em.

Then put it in a glass case and never open nor read it.

[sour hornet]

Calpurnia series is required reading for Arbites fans.

The protag is one

Oops

wrong #

[dire loom]

I guess I'll read it, then put in glass container.

Then promptly forget because memory bad.

[sour hornet]

Many of these crimes can, and will become an Arbitrator's problem at a certain point. Especially on frontier worlds.

[dire loom]

Preach!

🗣️ They just like nerfing our jurisdiction!

[arctic talon]

tbh there's also some worlds with 0 arbite presence lmao

[dire loom]

Our authority is Holy Law. Inquisitor said so himself.

[arctic talon]

which is hilarious

[dire loom]

[sour hornet]

They're like a sheriff in that way, they're on their own to enforce the law. And if the Lex will be served better by heavily policing malcontents before they become a real problem, arbites will do that.

They might also just let them be.

[arctic talon]

But its usually more remote backwater worlds

or forgeworlds

The Mechanicus has its own uh

arm of the law

[languid meadow]

LOBOTOMY CORP

[arctic talon]

well yes but also

[dapper gyro]

It varies from case to case.

[arctic talon]

The Prefecture Magisterium

[dire loom]

Too peaceful, no space donuts and they always pay tithes on time somehow.

That's my guess.

[arctic talon]

which is like the mechanicus inqusition

except even more horrifying, also they make you pay taxes

horrifying I know

[dire loom]

More servitors? Based

[dapper gyro]

In DT, Atoma should be very important to get so many things that a normal system don't usually get.

[dire loom]

True

I wonder what's so important within the Mobian domain, especially on Atoma Prime and the Hive City Tertium.

[arctic talon]

hiveworld

lots of production output

also a capital of a sector, and the capital of the system as well

[dire loom]

Turns out to be Big E's secret stash

[arctic talon]

its reasonable

that there's so many arbites here

oh also Atoma is the capital of the Moebian dominion

[dire loom]

Yeah, Atoma Prime is a Hive World, but that's enough to not exterminatus?

[arctic talon]

whatever a dominion classifies as

[arctic talon]

Too valuble still

its still producing war material and manpower

[dire loom]

Yes, true.. but is that it?

[arctic talon]

Also grendyl wants something

lol

so he's probably denying any opportunities to exterminatus the planet

[dire loom]

I suppose it is a nice wasteland.

[dire loom]

I'll just consider it as important as Cadia was once was then.

You make good points.

[arctic talon]

I wouldn't say its that important but it is very important

if Atoma goes under

the sector gets fucked

[dire loom]

Oh I see, makes sense. It's high value strategic location, both resources and power logistics wise.

[nocturne crest]

Honestly, the minute a csm turns up on the planet, it's game over for Grendoyl

[dire loom]

I guess because it's a new sector in Warhammer 40k lore, it doesn't get the royal treatment by default in most of our Warhammer 40k fan brains.

For Atoma! Cheer just got more deeper now..

[dire loom]

Time is ticking

[nocturne crest]

Alternatively, more members of the inquisition will get involved. I can't see our rejects taking out a csm.

[dire loom]

Titus shows up

[nocturne crest]

Maybe a chaos space marine scout, if those ever existed.

[dire loom]

They have scout marines.

[arctic talon]

not really

[sour hornet]

?

Why not.

[arctic talon]

We literally have plasma

a psyker

power weapons

[sour hornet]

We literally kill beasts of nurgle.

[arctic talon]

also that

lmao

we kill a beast of nurgle

Asssuming the Rejects in canon

can actually take one down

talking about like level 30 rejects

[dire loom]

So it's becoming a hot zone just like Cadian sector theater of war?

[arctic talon]

so warband members

[sour hornet]

Those alone kill space marines lmao

[arctic talon]

then a CSM would be 0 fucking problem

[nocturne crest]

That is a good point.

[arctic talon]

A beast of nurgle would instantly fucking kill us

if we weren't built different

[sour hornet]

No !!!

[dire loom]

[dire loom]

Sorry 😦

[sour hornet]

So many people were involved at C*dia its better to list factions who weren't there.

[arctic talon]

Atoma is def not a hotzone

[dire loom]

Havoc 40 rejects*

[arctic talon]

by imperial standards

[arctic talon]

nah, just the rejects who are in the warband proper

lol

I'm going off of that bcs its likely they don't get things like power weapons or plasma till then

[sour hornet]

Nachmund and Vigilus make Atoma look like a schoolyard brawl lmao

[nocturne crest]

What type of CSM would probably be the easiest for our rejects to take down?

[sour hornet]

Nurgle

[dire loom]

Oh I see, just me speculating. Sorry

[arctic talon]

Normal, no marks

Nurlge would also be not too hard

a plague marine would fucking suck

[nocturne crest]

Standard or one of those special marines tied to one god.

[dire loom]

The Inquisitor is on a time frame though for some reason.

[arctic talon]

same reason killing a beast of nurgle would suck

they have an aura of decay

around them

[dire loom]

Apparently the time is ticking, but idk what for..

[arctic talon]

also Plague marines can kind of eat a ton of damage

blowing a hole in the chest of a normal or god marked CSM is sure to kill them

doing that to a PLague marine

less likely

[sour hornet]

Khornate CSM have a chance of being immune to psychic attacks... which the Veteran carrying the plasmagun won't give two fucks about.

[arctic talon]

in any case the easiest would likely be one whos barely god marked

or not even god marked

just fuckin kill them

plasma, psyker

[nocturne crest]

So what about a khorne berserker?

[arctic talon]

Ogryn tearing their head off

[arctic talon]

Shoot him until he dies

[sour hornet]

Plasmagun.

[arctic talon]

Also

2 people with power weapons

Just get one to be cannon fodder

the other to try to get a hit in

or have the ogryn hold him off

so you can kill them with a power weapon lol

the only thing in our arsenal that could probably put down a plague marine efficently is the thunderhammer

[nocturne crest]

Noise marines?

[arctic talon]

things an actual goddamn anti tank weapon

[dire loom]

So does anyone know why the Inquisitor is worried about running out of time?

[arctic talon]

no

[dire loom]

Any guesses?

[arctic talon]

uhhhh

Grendyl's life is at risk for one reason or another

[dire loom]

Hmm..

[sour hornet]

The more time Rannick wastes, the more fuckwits are going to take pieces out of the Atoman pie. Grendyl wants this operation under his control, and solved in a strident manner.

Rannick fucked about too long and got not only a Commissar w/ an entire regiment involved, but the damned Arbites.

Also, the situation is deteriorating at a rapid rate, and nothing Rannick seems to do slows the decay of Atoma.

[dire loom]

Maybe he is doing a bad job, Arbites on him too. So he's worried about being stripped of power and executed. He was found wanting.

That's my guess

For now at least, because some people I trust when it comes to Darktide lore say no chaos space marines and no gene stealer cult no other type of enemy factions etc. So that's my guess if I throw out the other theories I had out the window.

[sour hornet]

He's been at war for an extended period of time, and only now figured out the name of the Cult he is fighting. An especially poor showing for an Inquisitor-aspirant.

[arctic talon]

the FFG module does have genestealer cultists as a random encounter

[dapper gyro]

Morrow squad literally killed one with lasguns.

[arctic talon]

Tbf massed lasgun fire always can kill shit lol

[dapper gyro]

Like SM is strong, but not that strong.

[arctic talon]

but thats likely

20+ guardsmen

not 4 warband members

[sour hornet]

Grendyl is probably going to be fine, mortally speaking. He'll just be pushed out of his own operation and sidelined for poor performance. Which is embarrassing.

[dapper gyro]

The warband rejects are not just random cultist that the SM fought in the Secret Level show.

[arctic talon]

yeah

but they'd prolly need more warm bodies

[nocturne crest]

And imagine what will happen if other inquisitors turn up.

[arctic talon]

for massed lasgun fire to be effective

is my point

its much easier to use shit like plasma

[nocturne crest]

Maybe they'll plot to have Grendyl removed.

[sour hornet]

There would be literally nothing he would be able to do.

[dapper gyro]

They are stronger than average IG , kind of getting close to the Scion/Kasrkin.

[sour hornet]

Besides plotting or violence, I suppose.

[arctic talon]

yeah but scions and kasrkin have hotshots

which can effectively deal with marine armor

standard lasguns are gona struggle unless massed

or they have hotshot packs to use

which is also possible

[dire loom]

Rannick taking one for the team to get new class archetypes added into the game. Low-key a hero. Lol

Jokes aside, I think Rannick should have given his veterans las machine guns.

Recon las is a rifle.

[arctic talon]

I'm not saying the rejects are incomptent or anything

[dapper gyro]

Yeah, they need more people.

[arctic talon]

its just that lasguns aren't the best tool for the situation they'd be in

[sour hornet]

He should give us fucking meltaguns.

[arctic talon]

plasma, power weapons, psyker popping their head

hell fucking smite lol

Thats gona melt a fucker

[sour hornet]

Smite is way, way worse in lore than it is in game. It's a joke in DT.

[dire loom]

8 player co-op confirmed?!

[dapper gyro]

Though, if we consider all of the reject personalities, we are more than enough people to deal with one or even 2 SM at once.

[dire loom]

[arctic talon]

Me when I melt a fucking tank

[sour hornet]

Psykers in general are fucking cracked in lore, they're ridiculous.

[arctic talon]

Psykers are nerfed down

[dire loom]

Like the one Mort had? From Rouge Trader?

[arctic talon]

in like