40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

They’re like somewhat independent

They mostly get left alone

[queen laurel]

Assassinrum king maker would be the right one

I forgot i'm stupid

@urban spire

[urban spire]

most worlds get left alone as long as they make the tithe

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But knight worlds are sort of treated like forgeworlds(to an extent)

[queen laurel]

yeah basically that

[arctic talon]

Where the imperium really really doesn’t get involved

[urban spire]

they are partly under the mechanicus right

[near wasp]

Also depends weather they are loyal to imperium or mechancus

[urban spire]

fuck i want a mechanicus class in darktide so bad

[storm jungle]

We'll very likely get it eventually

it makes the most sense business-wise lol

[arctic talon]

Depends on knight house

[near wasp]

Skittari

[arctic talon]

Erm akshully it’s the mechanicus 🤓

Okay you can kill me now

[urban spire]

did i spell it wrong?

[arctic talon]

It’s uh

It’s some complicated lore

The mechanicum technically imploded during the heresy and no longer exists organizationally

And the Adeptus mechanicus is its direct successor

[urban spire]

sibling that is the same word as the one i used

[arctic talon]

In any case regarding knight house alignment it depends on who the house is bound to

Wait

What the fuck

💀

I need to be put down

[near wasp]

Elite you dumbass

[arctic talon]

My brains smooth

I woke up like 2 minutes ago

[urban spire]

lmao, ok autoblock, fair shot

[rocky gale]

Ha

[urban spire]

edited message: did you think i said mechanicum?

[arctic talon]

Yes

For some reason

Idfk

But the knight houses are either questor imperialis or questor mechanicus

Which indicates who they have closer ties to

This also tends to extend to cultural things and availability of some stuff

[urban spire]

think i've heard of this before

[arctic talon]

A big thing is that questor mechanicus tend to get prioritized by the mechanicus

[queen laurel]

Hey at least this time you're not drunk and didn't tell chat about the amazing wonder of suicide ships in ftl

[arctic talon]

Yes

Clone bay is peak

[near wasp]

I wish I was drunk

[arctic talon]

Day drinking is not fun

I do not recommend

[urban spire]

never been drunk, seems unappealing

[arctic talon]

It

It’s fun sometimes

[queen laurel]

Like when you're driving on a car?

[arctic talon]

Questor imperialis tend to get more man power and other things from the imperium as gifts

Also mostly people associate questor imperials with knight organization

Because questor mechanicus does not have a high king/queen as a position most of the time

[urban spire]

how progressive

[arctic talon]

Yeah they get a different flavor of absolute monarch known as a princeps

[urban spire]

hey i know them

[arctic talon]

Who is both a religious head and royal one

[near wasp]

I thought princeps was titans

[arctic talon]

No not that princeps

The other princeps

GW loves reusing names

[urban spire]

boo

[arctic talon]

There’s 3 different mechanicus things that use princeps

Which is crazy lol

[queen laurel]

F****** gargant moment

[near wasp]

God emperor preserve us

[arctic talon]

Sicarian officers are princeps, House questoris heads are princeps, titan pilots are princeps

💀

[urban spire]

yeah like exactly how powerful a magos is is extremely variable

[queen laurel]

I'm going to drink acid what the hell is gw thinking

[urban spire]

WHAT gargant?

[queen laurel]

Both the one in age of sigmar or the one in 40k

[arctic talon]

This one is from 6e

I don’t think GW has made a new version

It’s an example of how 2 dif knight houses are organized

[urban spire]

like, as in the russian word for bassoon?

[near wasp]

Those fuedals systems can also vary based on the culture of the world

[arctic talon]

Also it’s of that one knight house that used to be comically sexist

In like

A horrid way

I forgot their name

But they were green and yellow

[queen laurel]

Damn bretonnians

They learned to fly in space

[arctic talon]

Fastest retcon in GW history

Lol

I don’t even think sexist knight houses as a near universal rule lasted more then a year

[urban spire]

i'm glad they're not afraid to retcon the real bad fuckups

[arctic talon]

Mhm

[urban spire]

now they just need to canonize female space marines and we're golden

[queen laurel]

God damn it fine i need to get the shotgun again

The damn crawlers are going to hear that

[urban spire]

lmao

[arctic talon]

GW will probably never but maybe they will

[urban spire]

listen they don't encourage bright wizards to be discrete

[arctic talon]

Who knows

LOL

[storm jungle]

OH SHIT

[near wasp]

I mean I could understand if a house or two was male but then there should at least be a female led knight world to balance it out

[arctic talon]

idk

[storm jungle]

SQUID GAME SEASON 3

[arctic talon]

I think you should scream

[storm jungle]

AND I ALREADY GOT SPOILERS

FUCKING YOUTUBE

[urban spire]

lmao

[lofty crystal]

The squid made the games 😔

[arctic talon]

AQSHY in a tavern

Full of people

[storm jungle]

aight see you guys in like 10 hours ill be back

🫡

[arctic talon]

I’m sure the people would love it

[storm jungle]

korean binging time

[arctic talon]

Have fun

https://tenor.com/view/youve-got-to-be-squidding-me-its-as-shrimple-as-that-shrimple-squid-gif-26786461

[urban spire]

oh ok see you later

[queen laurel]

Squig games

You have fun

[outer wave]

Have fun!

[arctic talon]

I think the closest to female space marines GW has done(beyond new men) are like

The elevated mortals in some chaos warhands

[urban spire]

female whatsits

the uh

[arctic talon]

There’s one in the bile books

I forgot her name

[urban spire]

emperor's pillar men

[arctic talon]

Oh

[urban spire]

i'm blanking on the term

[arctic talon]

Female custodes

[urban spire]

yes

[arctic talon]

I’d classify custodes as diffrent from marines

Since they’re more uh

[queen laurel]

Custodes you fire covered muppet

[arctic talon]

refined

[urban spire]

yeah, but they're the closest

[arctic talon]

In a sense yeah

But they’re kind of

[urban spire]

listen i blanked on the name, i reached for the thing everyone would get

[queen laurel]

Humans plus?

[arctic talon]

Well they’re less of a let’s slice a kid open and shove them full of organs

And more of a

[near wasp]

Knight world where the all the pilots are female and all the males become sacrostans or serfs.

[arctic talon]

Let’s fucking unmake a baby and rebuild it from the ground up

[sly ivy]

Is this wat u call Illuminate focused Helldivers

[arctic talon]

Inverted original knight lore

[urban spire]

anyway i'm just saying custodes are pretty close to space marines, both visually and in like, technological lineage

[arctic talon]

In terms of visuality yeah, in terms of technological lineage I’d disagree personally

I’d say biles New Men are closer

[near wasp]

Listen its basically an Amazonian knight house

[arctic talon]

I see

Is this the same knight house that blew up

[urban spire]

they were invented by the same guy, right?

[arctic talon]

Or a diffrent idea

[near wasp]

Different idea

Somebody should total write something like that though

[arctic talon]

No, emperor didn’t directly invent marines. He gave it to a team and worked on it partially

[urban spire]

personally i think the emperor should have skipped space marines and just made custodes, they seem a lot better, but what do i know, i wasn't prime minister of the UK in world war 2

[arctic talon]

While custodes were his own project

Because he wanted to be surrounded by oiled up buff men and women

/j

[sly ivy]

This is also wat the custodes think lmao

[urban spire]

i mean, who doesn't

[arctic talon]

Good point

[near wasp]

Some things something muscle mommy

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-running-away-run-away-running-away-laughing-laughing-gif-21904123

[urban spire]

lmao

[arctic talon]

But yeah I think the closest thing to female space marines to me personally are the “ascended” mortals

We have like 4 examples ever

[urban spire]

i just try not to think about where more csm come from

[arctic talon]

One of them kills her master and then takes his armor, another was “gifted” by the gods

[arctic talon]

They tend to kidnap children

Just like the loyalist ones

[sly ivy]

Wat is this AoS-ass shit

[crystal forum]

they can be fabricated

[arctic talon]

Vat growing exists yeah

[urban spire]

oh, not as bad as i was lead to believe

[arctic talon]

Though not all csm would have that infrastructure

[urban spire]

still, i think chaos needs work in general

[arctic talon]

It’s gotten a lot of stuff

In the recent codexes imo

[sly ivy]

I’m gonna fabricate u in a minute if u don’t shut ur mouth

[arctic talon]

They feel much more of an actual functional thing rather then

Raaaaah evil barbarian space marine

[urban spire]

i desperately want chaos to be less cartoony

[crystal forum]

why

[urban spire]

because i like nuance

[arctic talon]

Look, if chaos is less cartoony how will I get my Pirate King Huron

Who loves money

[near wasp]

I'd rather them be a bit cartoony

[sly ivy]

Depends on author right

[arctic talon]

And fell to chaos to avoid paying taxes

[urban spire]

i like the imperium because it is big and complex even if it is evil, i want chaos to also be big and complex

[arctic talon]

Okay jokes aside chaos is complex

[queen laurel]

Well goodbye my good friend orphan eater

You were the best chaos warlord next to child ripper

[crystal forum]

imperium is evil

[arctic talon]

GW has been making them more complex

Tbh

[sly ivy]

how dare u

[arctic talon]

A lot of major groups of chaos have started empire building

[urban spire]

yeah but it's still like

[arctic talon]

To varying degrees of success

[urban spire]

why would you ever take this deal

[queen laurel]

Because f*** it i want to be evil

I want to burn worlds i want to eat people

[arctic talon]

More power

[queen laurel]

I want to watch as people's soul leave their body as i sacrifice them to my dark god

[arctic talon]

More opportunities

To be free

[crystal forum]

ask a khorne worshiper to be reasonable

[arctic talon]

From the imperium

[sly ivy]

Have you read Black Legion or the Gaunt’s Ghosts books that take place on ger… gery… geriatric that chaos world

[celest dome]

There are less cartoony chaos stories

[arctic talon]

When all you get is a boot on your neck

The alternative looks great

[urban spire]

i've read the ghosts novel yeah

[arctic talon]

It makes promises of liberation and freedom

[urban spire]

i liked it

[arctic talon]

While you’re being worked to death in a factory

Why wouldn’t you take it

Your faith has rewarded nothing but suffering

[urban spire]

i understand why imperial citizens in the worst situations would take the deal

[near wasp]

That khorne bezerker complimenting abbadons spinal wine lives rent free in my head

[arctic talon]

Well it’s not even the worst situations, manufacotrums being awful are incredibly common imo

[cunning mango]

Fellas

[crystal forum]

scrotum

[sly ivy]

Working for Him as is ur duty, u mean

[arctic talon]

People in stronger positions can fall to such vices in other ways

[cunning mango]

Have i yapped enough to earn image perms

[arctic talon]

Huron literally wanted to not pay taxes

[sly ivy]

Humanum

[arctic talon]

So hard he rebeled

And eventually fell into the chaos sauce

[arctic talon]

You’ll turn red when you do

[cunning mango]

[queen laurel]

When you're red then yes you have enough

[urban spire]

i'm red because of aqshy

[cunning mango]

Man fulgrim isnt hated enough

[arctic talon]

Does the wind of fire turn people red

I know it doesn’t in AoS

[urban spire]

i wasn't really ready to defend my position, let me just collect my thoughts for a sec

[cunning mango]

Im not a blue berry fan but fulgrim is lwky probably one of the most annoying demon primarchs

[arctic talon]

Tbh fulgrim is funny as hell

[urban spire]

wrt chaos i mean

[arctic talon]

He’s in it for the love of the game

[near wasp]

Lorgar is worse imo

[celest dome]

One of the mutation is "copper skin", so somewhat

[arctic talon]

Neat

Fulgrim is funny as hell

[urban spire]

and yeah the winds of magic kinda subtly push you in the direction of the associated colour

[arctic talon]

Lorgar is w/e

[crystal forum]

the tanning disease

[cunning mango]

Me when i think fighting my number one opp (roboty girlyman) is too boring

[urban spire]

less subtly as you get more powerful

[queen laurel]

Life molester master the guy is

[arctic talon]

Well yeah it is

Gulliman is boring for Fulg

[urban spire]

bright wizards often have red hair and ruddy skin, this kinda thing

[arctic talon]

Neat

[near wasp]

I mean after killing your closest brother killing girly probably didn't have anywhere near the same amount of emotion

[urban spire]

really powerful bright wizards get kinda

[queen laurel]

And what beast wizards just look like joe rogan covered in killed bear fur?

[celest dome]

Flaming hair and burning irises

[crystal forum]

i sense a fire theme

[arctic talon]

Who could have guessed

[cunning mango]

Man we need more lore on the arabites

[arctic talon]

You’re being sent back to aqshy in AoS

NOW

[crystal forum]

mind passing that one again chief

[arctic talon]

WE’LL BE IN AQSHY TILL IM DEAD

[cunning mango]

I saw someones dog called pepper

[urban spire]

kinda

[queen laurel]

Hey it's not that bad compared to

[near wasp]

Can you imagine dressing in all red and having burn braziers on your shoulders only to be a hydromancer

[queen laurel]

Ghyran

[cunning mango]

And they fucking tore some poor guy in half

[urban spire]

there's a lot

[queen laurel]

Holy s*** ghyran

What the f*** is happening with you

[cunning mango]

Well i need more

[arctic talon]

Read the Shira Capurn novels

They’re neat

[urban spire]

go read the judge dredd comics

[arctic talon]

Lol

Real

[cunning mango]

We love the lex imperialis

[urban spire]

watch the good judge dredd movie

[arctic talon]

THE LEX IS COMPLEX

[crystal forum]

why is it called lex anyways

[urban spire]

the one with karl urban

it fucks

[arctic talon]

Law

[crystal forum]

wow so deep

[celest dome]

Ghur mutations often increase the size of the Magister, making them strong like bears, growing their hair and beards into manes or having feather grow into them

[arctic talon]

It’s Latin

That’s it

[near wasp]

Obey the lex or your entire bloodline dies heretic

[cunning mango]

Hell yeah

[urban spire]

the bolter you can get in darktide is originally a pattern made for the arbites

[queen laurel]

Yeah joe rogan

[urban spire]

which is why it sucks

[crystal forum]

yet the bolter is the last gun to be unlocked

[urban spire]

(relative to other bolters, which don't)

[crystal forum]

thanks fatshark

[urban spire]

it's fine to save the coolest toys for last

[near wasp]

Lowkey loving the arbite shotgun

It's so good

[cunning mango]

Gives you a reason to play

[cunning mango]

I blew a guys head off

[urban spire]

i really like the shotpistol even though guns don't work like that

[crystal forum]

i play for gameplay not unlocks

[urban spire]

revolvers already don't work like that so who cares right

[cunning mango]

Thats the most warhammer cop thing ever

[near wasp]

The shield revolver is also fun

[crystal forum]

wdym

[celest dome]

For the damage ?

[urban spire]

i mean if you put 12 gauge shells in a short barrel revolver it'll be a dogshit weapon

[cunning mango]

Chat

[crystal forum]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurus_Judge

[cunning mango]

Is there a death corps of krieg game to yalls knowledge

[urban spire]

and also a revolver in general won't be more powerful than a rifle in a full power rifle caliber

[near wasp]

That's a .410 shell wayyy smaller than a 12 gauge

[crystal forum]

suck

[celest dome]

No, there are cosmetics in this game though

Krieg are really a small part of the lore

Not big enough to really get a video game

[cunning mango]

Have yall seen that one warhammer mobile game ad

[dapper gyro]

.410 is 11.43mm bore
12 gauge is 18.5mm bore.

[cunning mango]

It looked really good

But then i saw it was a mobile game

[near wasp]

Atticus?

[cunning mango]

Supremacy i think it was

[urban spire]

guns hit harder the longer the barrel is (up to a point) because the gasses released by the powder ignition in the cartridge expand into the barrel and push the bullet forward, which means a longer barrel gives you more acceleration

[arctic talon]

Video game?

[cunning mango]

“I sacrificed 21 regiments in a diversion attack” bros a good commander

[arctic talon]

No

[urban spire]

when you make the barrel shorter, the bullet accelerates less (and loses accuracy)

[arctic talon]

There’s prolly mods

[urban spire]

this is true for shotguns too

[crystal forum]

i dont care i wanted to show that it's called the judge irl

[arctic talon]

To reskin Dawn of war 1 and 2 guard

[urban spire]

yeah i know about it

[crystal forum]

it fits name

[near wasp]

While yes this is true for shotguns it can be a desired effect as it'll make the pellets spread more

[urban spire]

my point is the taurus judge is pretty mid

[near wasp]

I'd love. Judge in 45

[queen laurel]

The mechanicus senior who has been at the job for a long time helping the young youngling

[urban spire]

all the really beefy handguns are severely overhyped

[near wasp]

Agreed

[crystal forum]

just get a BFR

fallout new vegas roleplay

or looper

[cunning mango]

[crystal forum]

or resident evil 8

[urban spire]

i still like them in videogames though, which is why i like the shot revolver

[cunning mango]

Brother, we have tactically acquired your meme for safe keeping in our vaults

[crystal forum]

i really dont like how chainsaw bayonets look

[arctic talon]

Make your own

That’s one specific pattern

[urban spire]

newer marine designs are a bit weak

[crystal forum]

the official ones look too much like axes

you're weak

the mark 3 is great

[plush mason]

Henrix in rogue trader is from a knight world

[arctic talon]

The heresy marines are just based on what Jes wanted them to look like

[arctic talon]

He also is a special instance bcs he got black shiped

[plush mason]

also yall been yapping in the past hour

[celest dome]

I'll be honest no Bolter Bayonnet really would look good

The gun is too short

[crystal forum]

the normal bayonets are cool

[plush mason]

500 messages since 11:01 lmao

[queen laurel]

That's what we do best you warcraft rogue main

That's what we do best

[plush mason]

i main evoker and warrior before that tyvm

[arctic talon]

I main priest 💀

[queen laurel]

I don't care you look like a rogue so you are a rogue

You cannot change my perception of you

[arctic talon]

Shadow priest(because I enjoy making people suffer)

[plush mason]

i did start with rogue, undead at that all the way back in vanilla lol

[arctic talon]

Free DOTs

[lofty mason]

Not gonna lie. Being normal human must've been a dead sentence in 40k universe: you're being treated as a fodder and some time less so. If I got transport into 40k IoM, which job, as a "baseline" human, that will provide me most safety?

[queen laurel]

I knew it

[near wasp]

Yeah I just had to ask some questions

[arctic talon]

High level administratum scribe on some world

[near wasp]

Crushed to death under a stack of scripts

[lofty mason]

That's kinda is soft-locked, since most are like linked to nobility 😭

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

But you said safe

[lofty mason]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-ill-die-gif-9704573

[near wasp]

Honestly being an arbites probably wouldn't be too bad

[arctic talon]

My brother in Christ

[plush mason]

so i got a question, does the imperium have another group for expansion or is it just the rogue traders? and if it is only them how does the administratim gain control of the worlds that become part of the imperium proper?

[arctic talon]

You will be hunting people down

[near wasp]

It's def safer than a lot of jobs

[arctic talon]

They have colonization things

Also the guard and mechanicus both do so

Mechanicus explorators are a big one

[plush mason]

ah

[arctic talon]

They keep track of all habitable worlds

And dump the info

[celest dome]

Still look dumb as hell

[arctic talon]

To the imperium or mechanicus

[plush mason]

hm

i expected them to be mechanicus only

[arctic talon]

The imperium usually makes it with their while

But there’s other groups that do that sort of surveying

[lofty mason]

@arctic talon Like what is the "safest" job I can get if I was born into a low class family on some hive-world or agri-world?

[arctic talon]

Beyond the rogue traders

[arctic talon]

High level administratum scribe

[cunning mango]

And the mechies are always looking for STCs

[plush mason]

yeah and i bet most of the worlds wouldnt be all that interesting to the admech

[arctic talon]

I’m not going to lie

High level administratum scribe

Is the best you’re gona do

Most of the time

[cunning mango]

Thats a blessing from the big E himself to them

[arctic talon]

In terms of safety

[near wasp]

Or being a priests

[arctic talon]

That leaves you open to back stabbing

[cunning mango]

I would gladly be an astartes chaplin

[lofty mason]

Are high level administrator officers or lord not normal human?

[arctic talon]

marine

[arctic talon]

High level lords are often hereditary

[near wasp]

Yeah but at least you'd be fed and housed

[cunning mango]

Unless its leandros

[arctic talon]

For officers wdym

Military officer?

That’s not safe

[cunning mango]

FUCK LEANDROS

[arctic talon]

High level officials are also like

Unsafe as well

[lofty mason]

I mean lords often has lower ranks lords, right?

[arctic talon]

People want your position

[plush mason]

look at some of the images of them and you tell me

[arctic talon]

Yes

But people want your position

[lofty mason]

ah

[arctic talon]

That’s why high level administratum scribe is ideal

Most people don’t envy you

[lofty mason]

I can see the direction you're going.

[arctic talon]

You live a comfortable life by imperial standards

[lofty mason]

Basically, shitty position in a good job.

[cunning mango]

Yall ima call it

Tbh

[arctic talon]

And you have subordinates who do most of your work

[cunning mango]

Leandros is gonna fall to chaos

[arctic talon]

He’s not

It would be lame

And the most idiotic cop out ever

[cunning mango]

He’s hella blind faith to the codex

[plush mason]

Leandros was wasted in 2

[arctic talon]

^

Lol

[cunning mango]

My man meat rides that thing, chaos could exploit it

[arctic talon]

He’s a non character

Again, I think it’s stupid story wise

To use Leandros in that manner

[cunning mango]

The ending pissed me off so much

[arctic talon]

Especially when Acheran is actually fucking dead

Like we saw him die

[cunning mango]

I was like “SON OF A BITCH”

[arctic talon]

That is not acheran in SM2 lol

Unless GW retcon’d that but I’m choosing to believe

It’s a daemon wearing Acherans corpse

Like a skin suit

[plush mason]

they should have revealed the chaplain was him way sooner and had him and Titus making amends be a part of the campaign

[arctic talon]

^

SM2’s story is ass compared to 1’s

Lol

[near wasp]

Nah fuck making amends

[cunning mango]

Its decent

[arctic talon]

Don’t @ me it is just worse writing wise

[near wasp]

Leandros and Titus need to have an honor duel

[arctic talon]

That also would work

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

In any case the Leandros reveals being saved for the end

Is

????

[cunning mango]

Titus solos

[arctic talon]

Zero point lol

[cunning mango]

Dont all the ultramarines hate him

[plush mason]

it was for 3

[arctic talon]

No

[cunning mango]

After what he did in SM1

[arctic talon]

No

Leandros fucked up but he didn’t do anything wrong

In that situation either

[plush mason]

which has already started pre production and was clearly in the works even while 2 was being finished

[arctic talon]

Thinking about it from Leandros’s point of view and he’s valid ratting to the black Templars

It escalating to an inqusitor

Who specifically hates marines

Is just a case of horrid luck for Titus

[plush mason]

that the inquisitor he contacted ended up being a heretic was something Leandros couldnt have known for foreseen

[near wasp]

The only thing Leandros did wrong was not going to his Chaplin first

[arctic talon]

Well

There might not have been one

And if leandros’s suspicions were hypothetically correct

You sure as hell don’t want to go into the warp

[plush mason]

the book took it from him just hating marines to him being a chaos corrupted and daemon possessed heretic lmao

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Lmao

Well he hated marines for the love of the game

Everything after was another issue

But Leandros is a prick yes

He is an asshole in SM2 to Titus

For very little reason

[cunning mango]

Exactly

[arctic talon]

That doesn’t make his actions in 1 wrong though

Imo

[plush mason]

i wonder if 3 will actually explain Titus's reistance to the warp

[arctic talon]

We will see

Lol

[cunning mango]

That would be nice

[near wasp]

Also they just say the inquistor was possessed but they never say when that inquistor got possessed so when Titus got grabbed that inquistor might not of been corrupted

[arctic talon]

The inqusitor is implied to have fallen later

[cunning mango]

The grey knights arent corruptible or atleast very immune to it right

[near wasp]

Yes seemingly

[arctic talon]

They’ve never had one fall

But they’re extremely resistant

We know they can be corrupted partially

[cunning mango]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

See; castellan crowes sword

Also maybe the silver knight of slaanesh in 40k

Not the whfb one who saw his wife

[cunning mango]

Thinking about getting into the age of sigmar

Hows that lore

[crystal forum]

what the fuck is this gun

[queen laurel]

It's amazing

[cunning mango]

How far is it from 40,000K

[crystal forum]

is that a disintegrator

[queen laurel]

But compared to 40k getting into the lore is

[arctic talon]

Disintegrator yes

[queen laurel]

More of a challenge

[arctic talon]

Completely different setting

[near wasp]

Looks like a melta type weapon

[arctic talon]

It’s batshit insane high fantasy

[crystal forum]

never thought we'd get a modern model

[arctic talon]

I wouldn’t call AoS grimdark

[queen laurel]

Completely different setting but it has some things that are hallmarks of a warhammer setting like

Chaos gods

But besides chaos gods basically no similarity

[cunning mango]

Space-marines?

[arctic talon]

AoS and whfb are both

Much more hopeful

[cunning mango]

Rip

[arctic talon]

Unless you count Stormcast and chaos warriors no

Also ossriarch and iron jawz I guess

[queen laurel]

Yeah those guys are the armored men

And women of course

[arctic talon]

Those are the 4 flavors of big armored people

[cunning mango]

Welp boys

[queen laurel]

I wouldn't count them because they're not human

[plush mason]

part of their initiation is becoming a daemon host and fighting off the daemon, which leaves them immune to direct possession but they are not immune to corruption only insanely resistant

[cunning mango]

Tine to wait another 5 years for something meaningful to happen in 40K lore

[arctic talon]

Crowes sword whispers to him constantly

[queen laurel]

If we're going by marine that which is basically a changed human

[near wasp]

No that's exorcists chapter

[arctic talon]

Well it’s prolly 1 year

End of edition innit

[queen laurel]

On big armor

[plush mason]

grey knights do it too

[arctic talon]

They don’t as far as we know

[plush mason]

they are the only 2 chapters known to do it

[arctic talon]

At least I don’t remember it

In any of the GK stuff I’ve read

[near wasp]

I feel like I'm gonna need a source for that

[plush mason]

iirc its like the last in their 666 initiation trials

[cunning mango]

Also who the hell is the dark library

[near wasp]

Like irl or in lore

[cunning mango]

Heard of them when i watch weshammer

[arctic talon]

Clowns

[crystal forum]

something eldar related

[cunning mango]

Ah

[arctic talon]

Black library in lore is run by the harlequins

And has all the knowledge in the galaxy

Ever

[crystal forum]

it has all lore

[plush mason]

in lore its a craftworld hidden somewhere in the webway and run by the harlequins and their laughing god

[arctic talon]

And yes black library GW’s novel branch are calling themselves clowns yes

[crystal forum]

it knows who created the land raider

[arctic talon]

This one is known smh

[crystal forum]

mister raider

[arctic talon]

Land

Arkhan Land smh

[near wasp]

Irl black library is the part of gw that makes the books

[arctic talon]

Good ol 2e lore

Nothing beats that

[cunning mango]

Ah

[celest dome]

So it has in theory all the fanfict that people have written in it

[plush mason]

he also wanted it to be called the Land's raider

[crystal forum]

yes even the smut

especially the smut

[near wasp]

Arkan raider

[celest dome]

Someone find my my library card !

[near wasp]

Find it yourself knowledge seeker

[arctic talon]

Yes

Anyways the black library is batshit insane

And absurdly fortified

Also cegorach can just remove you

[crystal forum]

i feel like the black library would be millions of books about nothing of importance

[arctic talon]

We’re not sure what being removed means

[crystal forum]

and a handful of super important books

[arctic talon]

But it’s likely not good

[crystal forum]

and you have to find the important ones

[arctic talon]

There’s a ton of super unimportant knowledge

It’s all sorted and ordered properly

Clown librarians

[cunning mango]

Man immortal imperium is such a banger

Jesper never misses

[crystal forum]

clown librarians

[arctic talon]

Yes

The clowns are librarians, performers and soldiers all at once lol

[cunning mango]

It really just needs to be the OFFICAL theme of the imperium

[crystal forum]

books sorted by fiction and non fiction clownery

[arctic talon]

I do find it hilarious

[crystal forum]

what if you're late in returning your black library book

[arctic talon]

How the harlequins do defend it despite cegorach being able to

[crystal forum]

do they send harlequins at you

[arctic talon]

Oh no, you can’t take the book out

Big C doesn’t let that happen

You read it in the library and leave it

Or return it

[crystal forum]

clown god has all the knowledge of the galaxy

[arctic talon]

not just him

He has specific seers as well

For this

[near wasp]

If you are gonna take a book make sure caggy oks it first

[arctic talon]

Yeah

If he’s not okay he’ll just remove the book

[near wasp]

Which of course means convincing a god you know better than him

[arctic talon]

And maybe ban you

Lol

[crystal forum]

what if he finds it funny

[arctic talon]

He might let it happen

[crystal forum]

i feel like making him laugh would be the best way

[arctic talon]

He’s let a few people leave with. Book before

Lol

Eldrad, that one inqusitor who’s got half the clowns trying to kill them

The harlequin lady I forgot the name of

But shows up all the time

But yeah the black library is cool. I’m not sure why the clowns bother to defend it so fiercely when cegorach can literally amputate all connections to it or remake pathways in the webway at will

[crystal forum]

he finds it funny

he's literally the troll god

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[near wasp]

Probably because it's a bother for him to do it himself, he's pulling panks on other people

[cunning mango]

Its.. so PEAK

https://youtu.be/CAu9Znj-xAY?feature=shared

[arctic talon]

“Is your cogitator running”

[cunning mango]

(Warhammer related to the HH)

[plush mason]

this is a fact, i swear its impossible for him to not make great music

[cunning mango]

My autistic ass turns immortal imperium and disposal unit on at the gym and in my mind im like “ONE FOR THE EMPEROR..”

[plush mason]

what in the 90s tv ad is that though

[near wasp]

I'll stick you in a penitent engine

[plush mason]

GW really went "yeah lets go retro for this"

[cunning mango]

Fr lmao

[plush mason]

immortal imperium fits with it so it works

but man

[winged jacinth]

80% of the black library is devoted to storing the last 38000 years of One Piece

[arctic talon]

Entire life dedicated to sorting the Mon’keigh literature known as The One Piece

[winged jacinth]

"Yeah"
"Then you better go catch it!"
"Shit you're right the desk must have been servitorized wrong"

[winged jacinth]

Its a whole aspect

[arctic talon]

New clown mask

[winged jacinth]

Harlequins with the ability to divide into floating pieces like the one piece clown...

[near wasp]

You know how some high level inquistors use the mobile thrones, a high level scribe has one of those but it's got a desk attached to it so that even why touring his domain he still serves

[tough haven]

Truly the eldar race has fallen

[dire loom]

Imperium is good guys, everything else is bad and heresy.

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/you-serious-are-you-serious-j-jonah-jameson-jk-simmons-spiderman-gif-1796285034125157331

[outer wave]

I'm gonna toss it as RP

[dire loom]

NGL though, it is peak roleplay when anti Imperium fans don't like the Imperium. I mean yeah.. of course Chaos fans don't like the Imperium.

You can like something for the style and vibes though, doesn't have to be one to one #darktide-driptide .

I'm sure everyone here doesn't want eternal war IRL regardless of favorite factions or sacrifice people at chaos shrines for the dark gods IRL.. right? Lol

All factions support some type of violence, but we ignore that because it's just a game, have fun. Escapism.

Plus the drip. Lol

Should always be obvious and shouldn't need context 24/7.

But alas, few bad apples ruin it for everyone.

Anyways, after digging into the lore, whether it's super bad or bad. Currently the Imperium is the best hope for humanity. I wonder how they'll explain and retcon stuff if they don't need big E for the webway if that one theory of he's now sitting on the throne is true and it's all smoke and mirrors. Why send the Psykers then? Is it just a machine?

Blue Berry gully trying his best.

He literally helped with purging some bad parts and corruption from Adeptus Administratum. I think I spelled that right?

[celest dome]

The Imperium is the only hope cause it spent a lot of times to be certain it was the only hope

[dire loom]

But yeah. Unless there's a just as powerful faction as the Imperium but does the whole Helldivers 2 Super Earth Federation thing, but with no corruption and is morally super good.. I just don't see a viable alternative. Especially in the grand picture of things. Hell I don't think the Imperium would let it happen to begin with, it would have to be another human civilization outside the galaxy and even then.. more lore changes, retcons etcetera. Would be fun to fight a rebel alliance 2.0 though as galactic empire 2.0. it just becomes Star Wars though wouldn't it? Then Warhammer 40k gets water down, nerfed and grim dark slowly fades away. Thus it might hurt the IP and some people might leave and they'll lose money. Unless the drip is peak of course.

[dire loom]

Yeah, might makes right. Classic

Or a Star Trek Federation? But that's assuming they could even survive in Warhammer 40k setting. Lol

I might binge watch some what if scenarios later on YouTube. Probably will have to do it on a off day though.

[celest dome]

There are some smaller/local factions that would be better off if the Imperium disappeared

[sly ivy]

Ascended

[dire loom]

I think there have been a few human civilizations outside the Imperium, but they usually get clapped for whatever reasons too without the Imperium's help. Basically left to their own devices.

Upstart human civilizations: we can do it without you Imperium

Imperium: bet

[languid meadow]

there's prob a bunch still left since the galaxy is massive

[dire loom]

gets swarmed by the entire universes horrors

[languid meadow]

but either they're isolated asf, eaten by imperium/tau or another unknown xenos race

[dire loom]

It's big enough to have a few, but they need to add em in, have be allied or do trade with the Imperium somehow plus Xenos without getting clapped.

[languid meadow]

the truth is models are like the driving force a lot of the time

[dire loom]

Gotta sell that slop

[languid meadow]

and having another human faction when two of the biggest (chaos and imperium) are already human will be a tough sell

[dire loom]

GW needs an extra yacht

[languid meadow]

so at most they would be a book presence (not that big)

[celest dome]

Would be stifling

[languid meadow]

plus humans working with xenos already exist on a bigger scale with Tau even if gue'vesa don't have rules/models

[celest dome]

Isn't there the Severan Domain ?

[languid meadow]

aren't they brainwashed?

idr

[languid meadow]

I would like if gue'vesa got rules even if they didn't get models

[celest dome]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Severan_Dominate

[languid meadow]

Serverus snape lives

[dire loom]

True, it's either one of those.

I think adding a 3rd iconoclast type faction from rouge trader as a reference would or could maybe work. It just be difficult in universe and lore and benefit of the doubt, writers will have to retcon few things, go ham on character and world building etc. I think if one Space Marines chapter did support such a civilization they'd have a chance. They definitely need some type of good leaders and good people who don't get corrupted by chaos too. Plus you'll need your own counter part to the Imperium's respective organizations, such as their own Inquisition intelligence agencies etc.

[languid meadow]

huh guess I was thinking of another non imperium human empire that was brainwashed

Gyad damn these guys have drip

[dire loom]

Peak drip

Also the third faction would end up being a center point in the story. Where it's strong enough to hold it's own, and either the Imperium and Chaos try their best to win em over to tip the scales of the war. So it would open the door for trade, while being able to do business with Xenos etc.

[celest dome]

Having a 3rd mostly human faction and having it be bigger than the sum of the Xenos factions would be really off-putting

[languid meadow]

yeah

plus it seems the dominate is filling the role as a well established 3rd human faction with no TT presence

small but not too small and not too big

[dire loom]

Would kill the grim dark though and if the 3rd faction ever had a halo reach moment, people would throw a fit. So idk. Could work, I'm okay with it. Seems interesting to me, but y'all know how large group of fans are. We're just less than 0.01% of the community of Warhammer 40k as a whole. The reddit and discord numbers don't total the actual numbers.

I remember when Joel died, most people left the TLOU IP.

[languid meadow]

I mean I think the grimdark comes from the fact they will never overpower the imperium

their hope wil always remain small

[dire loom]

Killing a faction off like that would hurt some stuff, keeping a faction like that would take away the necessary evil for greater good grim dark stuff away. Would be a hard balancing act.

I like to imagine a society or faction like that is something like from Cyberpunk night city but with magic. Lol

[celest dome]

The thing is that the Imperium has never been a necessary evil

[dire loom]

[languid meadow]

the imperium literally caused a lot of it's own problems during the GC

[celest dome]

And even before

[languid meadow]

Granted they did kill some evil asf xenos, BUT they also killed way more friendly xenos

[dire loom]

Yeah, but who's gonna stop em? Chaos? Xenos? Something from the abyss? Humanity is extinct. Problem solved?

[languid meadow]

and now the only way they work together is via absolute necessity

[celest dome]

The Imperium-Emperor dying on Terra would have been better on the longer run for humanity

[outer wave]

If humanity died, chaos probably would die and everything else would too. That would be peak 40k and peak cinema

[celest dome]

The Ultramar domain, the Interex...

[dire loom]

Yeah, I think most Warhammer 40k fans wouldn't like the idea or concept.

[languid meadow]

Then peakcrons wake up and claim everything again

[dire loom]

Aren't they apart of the Imperium? Gully is heir regent of the Imperium..

[celest dome]

Hell if the Imperium died before going wide there wouldn't be Tyranids already

[outer wave]

PEAK

CINEMA

And then the cycle restarts

[dire loom]

Smurf fans: Imperium is part of Ultramar*

oh gotcha!

[arctic talon]

The imperium Balkanizing would be hilarious

[celest dome]

Ultramar yes, Interex no, they fought and were destroyed, but they both existed before being taken over by the Imperium

[dire loom]

Based

[languid meadow]

The Ultramar domain was already their own empire basically before the imperium, Gman and Emps just integrated it really well into it (aka just don't turn traitor lmao)

[arctic talon]

Also follow imperial culture to an extent

Which wasn’t hard

Because ultramar aligned pretty well

[dire loom]

Ah, conquest.

[languid meadow]

both were already larping as romans

at least Ultramar proper was

[dire loom]

Culture was so damn similar, couldn't tell the difference.

[arctic talon]

But yeah the imperium uh

It killed more humans then xenos

During the great crusade

💀

[celest dome]

And today

[arctic talon]

Thank you Alan Bligh

[celest dome]

[arctic talon]

Lol

[arctic talon]

Well it’s obvious now

It’s just funny it was like that back then

[dire loom]

But human still humaning yes?

[languid meadow]

Wait are all worlds in the domain considered space marine worlds? or only most

[celest dome]

For Ultramar ?

[languid meadow]

since like most of the ultramarine successors just chill there

[languid meadow]

yeah

I'm trying to remember

[celest dome]

No, iirc there are even some that are Forge World, will check though

[dire loom]

I wish every branch of the Imperium had some few Ogryn officers and that it was canon. Lol

[arctic talon]

No

Only Mcragge

Is a true marine recruitment world that doesn’t need to pay tithe

But other worlds do send aspirants

[celest dome]

There is a Forge World

[arctic talon]

There’s 2

[celest dome]

Konor

[arctic talon]

Konor and

The other one

I forgot the name of

Konor orbits it

Gantz

Gantz is the other one and it orbits Konor

[languid meadow]

Low quality

but found it

[languid meadow]

Alr I found it

The shield chapters of Ultramar that's what I was thinking about

[dire loom]

Basically came full circle.

Still no 3rd significant iconoclast human faction. Warhammer fantasy had a few.

Just not iconoclast though. Lol

[languid meadow]

there was 3 main human factions in WHFB before cathay got added fully in OW iirc

Kislev, Empire, Bretonnia

[celest dome]

5 if we consider the southern kingdom

[languid meadow]

Unless I'm missing one

Oh yeah

[celest dome]

6 if Araby

But I wouldn't consider Araby as they had less lore

And were somewhat Chaos inclined too

Could we consider that Tomb King domain with the living army/population too ?

[languid meadow]

totally forgot Araby and I think even Nippon had models

[dire loom]

Slaves, Germans, French

They look like it in terms of drip.

[languid meadow]

Freudian slip

[dire loom]

Swag is key

[languid meadow]

I mean Bretonnia is a mix of old france and england

[dire loom]

Do they really don't take showers?

[celest dome]

Arthurian England and France

Maybe in old Lore, but they still tooke some

[languid meadow]

I mean if you wanna take VT2s silly dialogue as a canon Bretons bathe more than empire

[dire loom]

Or did I misunderstood what Saltz was saying in VT2?

The peasants too?

[arctic talon]

no

the Peseants are like

horribly oppresed lol

[dire loom]

R.I.P

[celest dome]

Doesn't mean they don't bathes 🤷

[languid meadow]

comical levels of oppression

[arctic talon]

They're literally called the unwashed disgusting masses

in the last army book they got

They do bathe

but they likely don't get to do it often

[celest dome]

Called that by the Noble though

[arctic talon]

lol true

[languid meadow]

Listen I love TWW3 but god damn it has destroyed all search results for Warhammer fantasy

Not a single lex result it's all fandom

[arctic talon]

the empire are just the HRE

tbh

[languid meadow]

I mean it's not very subtle

but nothing really is in WHF lmao

even in 40k

[arctic talon]

WHF is even less subtle

then 40k lol

for Empire

[languid meadow]

I mean the map is just a fucked up earth lmao

[celest dome]

Tbh, it's not unsubtle just for the Empire

[celest dome]

Where is the Slave toting empire

And what did human there look like

[dire loom]

Peak, they should have kept it that way.

My favorite quote from VT2 is Saltz saying: Holy Sigmar, bless this ravaged body!

[celest dome]

They haven't changed it ? For BF/Old World

[dire loom]

I felt truly immersed, it's canon lore too.

[languid meadow]

it's still the same for the old wolrd

they released some maps and it matches pretty well

[celest dome]

Did you hear about the fan villages/cities that got included in the official map

[languid meadow]

yeah

peak

[dire loom]

What kind of fan stuff?

I'm out of the loop

I must know.

Any meme villages?

[languid meadow]

https://www.theoldworld.com it matches pretty well when it comes to geography

scroll down to see the map

[celest dome]

For Old World they published a map of the world, and there were some villages that they erroneously copied from a fan made map

[wintry scarab]

Firstly, are there any new Darktide OSTs? Secondly, if there are, do we have them yet?

[languid meadow]

I don't think any new music was added this update

[dire loom]

Nice

[dire loom]

I second this, Darktide OST is top tier.

Made by a legend!

[wintry scarab]

I really got my hopes up, considering the new Arbites cutscene has a new tune playing. 😦

[languid meadow]

oh yeah

I think that's new but idk if it's been posted yet let me check

[wintry scarab]

Its 100% new. Considering ive not heard it in game, is that its just a short tune and not a full OST. Sounds very cool so i hope he makes it into a full OST.

Im pretty sure this is the first big update we have had without any new Kyd OSTs in it. 😦

[languid meadow]

I can't find it

bwuah

[languid meadow]

very cool art

but I saw moloch and frowned

[tight stratus]

Lore wise the Arbities weaponary should be fairly new looking and clean right?

is there any reason for it also to be beaten up?

[rocky gale]

It got beaten up

[languid meadow]

even regular maintenance can't prevent scuffs and scratches

[astral burrow]

Arknights is so much fun when you know what u are doing

[green loom]

Artstyle

[dapper gyro]

They never release the Rolling Steel OST outside of youtube...

[rotund grove]

Would it be possible for a space marine neophyte to be assigned to tertium to prove his worth? And if so does any chapter have a battle barge around/is located near Atoma Prime?

[arctic talon]

The answer is no and no because neophytes would be assigned as scouts and deployed in a campaign normally

[crystal forum]

im sure you can think of some chapter that would let that happen

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah if fatshark wants

But no existing chapters do neophyte training that way

[crystal forum]

what if some renegade chapter

[arctic talon]

Then it’s a renegade warband

They asked for existing examples

There are none

Could a chapter do this in theory, sure

[crystal forum]

he asked if it would be possible 🤓

[rotund grove]

renegade chapters are heretics lol

[arctic talon]

And there’s no known chapters near atoma

[arctic talon]

Heretic is a broad term

[rotund grove]

What about Marines Errant

[crystal forum]

nah not all

renegade just means not officially sanctioned by the imperium

[rotund grove]

since its chapter was made to fill gaps after many chapters went heretic

[outer wave]

Pirate Marines....

Merc Marines

[arctic talon]

What about them

[crystal forum]

renegade usually means they dont even follow chaos either

they do their own shit

[arctic talon]

They’re still not around atoma

Fatshark could pick ‘em

[crystal forum]

red corsairs

[arctic talon]

I’m of the opinion fatshark would cook up their own marine chapter if marines ever show up

Red corsairs are chaos

[crystal forum]

under used chapter

[arctic talon]

And renegade

Mixed together

[crystal forum]

but they're cool

[arctic talon]

They’re fun

Yes

They love money

Huron has already won

[crystal forum]

they're if minotaurs had balls

[arctic talon]

There’s nothing more he could want

Aside from those other chapters at badab who opposed

[rotund grove]

"active throughout the entirety of the Imperium and often far beyond its borders", but by modern imperium standards thats impossible

[arctic talon]

To go extinct

[crystal forum]

wdym

[arctic talon]

It’s exaggeration to an extent

[crystal forum]

the imperium doesn't own all the galaxy

[arctic talon]

They probably have marines in every segmentum lol

But that doesn’t mean everywhere

The entirety of the imperium likely means segmentum

So that’s not that much

[crystal forum]

the imperium never even got to the fringe of the galaxy

but that area is like turbo fucked

[rotund grove]

badab war is a good source if they ever add some space marine stuff

[arctic talon]

There’s 5 segmentums

[crystal forum]

badab war is such old lore

[arctic talon]

Okay what the fuck is up with the recent badab obsession lol

It’s good lore

Tbh

It’s also recent history by 40k standards

[crystal forum]

just saying GW didn't need to split the galaxy in half to make it interesting

[arctic talon]

I see so many goddamn people talking about badab lore recently

Lol

[crystal forum]

like they did with cadia

[arctic talon]

It’s good for chaos lore

[rotund grove]

because nothing ever happens in the imperium

[crystal forum]

true!

[rotund grove]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-gif-4408076016540863651

[arctic talon]

Do you dislike the great rift

Genuine question

[crystal forum]

it serves 0 plot reason

[arctic talon]

Yes it does

It literally splits the imperium in half

And one half is mostly chaos empires now

Lol

[crystal forum]

name me a story taking place in the shitty half

[outer wave]

Every time I see the word Badab, I think of food

[arctic talon]

Novel? Or codex lore

[outer wave]

Kebab? Probably that

[arctic talon]

[crystal forum]

full length novel

not just stories taking place in the ok side and pretending it's not happening

[arctic talon]

Spear of the emperor

Lords of silence

[dire loom]

And Chaos fans still not satisfied.. they want the whole damn thing.. Lol

[dapper gyro]

Most renegade marines would lay low instead of participating with the Inquisition to then get wiped.

[arctic talon]

Tbf it’s fun

This is the first time GW has developed chaos

In a meaningful way

[dire loom]

Keeps the war going, Khorne chips is happy I'm sure.

[dapper gyro]

Even Ashen Claws, the biggest non chaos warband, still have to hover around and not actually connecting with the imperium.

[arctic talon]

There’s also a ton of short stories in nihlus

Like

[crystal forum]

tell that to soul drinkers

[outer wave]

I hope they return the traitor guard in some capacity, that'd be nice

[arctic talon]

a ton

[dire loom]

True, now they can have their degenerate parties 24/7.

[dapper gyro]

Having any kind of renegade in DT is a no go.

[rotund grove]

Isnt the inquisitor getting desperate, thats why the arbiters came in?

[dapper gyro]

Nope...

[arctic talon]

Acting like the great rift has added nothing to 40k is stupid

Because it’s done a ton

For lore lol

[dapper gyro]

Brother, watch the cutscene...

[arctic talon]

It’s allowed chaos to develop as an actual faction

[outer wave]

No, the Arbites joined because they were unsatisfied with Grendyl's forces

So they moved in

[dire loom]

Well, he's running out of time.

[crystal forum]

arbites are not known for their subtlety so im sure the inquisition agents are annoyed af

[outer wave]

They're VERY annoyed

[dapper gyro]

Arbiters works outside of the inquisition.

[outer wave]

Grendyl and Rannick at least didn't want them in

[dire loom]

We gave him plenty of chances to fix our mess. He took too damn long.

[outer wave]

Some like Melk may be alright with them

[crystal forum]

it's funny because i can't even think of a time where arbites fixed a mess as bad as the one we're in

[dire loom]

Now we gotta Merc Wolfer again, and make sure he doesn't escape again. Lol

[arctic talon]

Necromunda hive secundus

They along with the imperial guard purged secundus(mostly)