40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

It’s for interpretation

Imo it’s Titus tripping balls and hearing his actual biological dad

Near death

[near wasp]

Don't the subtitles say emperor tho or am I just misremembering

[cunning mango]

Pretty sure it says [mysterious voice] Rise, son of gulliman

[arctic talon]

It used to say Calgar

Lol

[winged jacinth]

Has emps ever been voice acted before

[cunning mango]

Not to my knowledge

[winged jacinth]

I feel like he shouldn't be

[near wasp]

If big e has a voice it should be 1000 different people mixed together

[dapper gyro]

Psychic tyrannid can delete even SM librarian in some cases.

[cunning mango]

Emperor: looks at custodian theyre never gonna believe you

[winged jacinth]

We know what calgar sounds like in titusland from sm2 now is it the same voice

[arctic talon]

No

[arctic talon]

Calgar has had a few voices

He’s in audio books

[dapper gyro]

Depending on the number. Because not really.

[cunning mango]

You know what would be a good fight

[winged jacinth]

Yeah but if its the same actor between sm1 & 2 its probably calgars voice

[cunning mango]

Siggismund vs. a demon primarch without their insane plot armor

[arctic talon]

Sigismund would get fucked

Lol

[cunning mango]

I love how the templars are always there to give a big fuck you to the black crusades

[near wasp]

Siggi got wrecked by normal fulgrim

[arctic talon]

Sigismund would literally get folded like a lawn chair

Even if I like him

He’s gona get cooked

[cunning mango]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-chair-spin-spinning-chair-foldable-chair-gif-27635879

How did he die again i forgot

[near wasp]

Abbadon

[dapper gyro]

Stabbed by Abby.

[near wasp]

First black crusade

[cunning mango]

Ah

He died giving a fuck you to abby

Black templars moment

[arctic talon]

He died fighting abbadon

Abbadon had apothecaries present to patch him up

[near wasp]

Didn't abbadon leave him stacked on a throne of black legion corpses

[dapper gyro]

Abby used heal bots

[arctic talon]

Diffrent dude who fought abbadon

He sent sigismund’s dead body intact back to terra

[dapper gyro]

Though, fighting primarch is a magnitude harder.

[arctic talon]

With all his armor and war gear

[near wasp]

Ah

[cunning mango]

Man too bad sinngunius is probably never coming back

[dapper gyro]

Some people must stay dead.

Otherwise, it becomes like Marvel and DC, which is awful.

[arctic talon]

Sang is fucking dead

God please just keep the dead primarchs dead

GW probably won’t exhume their corpses

Until they’re extremely desperate for cash

[near wasp]

Make ferrus lead the legion of the damn

[cunning mango]

He got diddled by horus’s galatic temper tantrum

[dapper gyro]

When death has no meaning, then life has no value.

[dapper gyro]

No.

[near wasp]

He'd still be dead

[arctic talon]

No god please

[near wasp]

Lol

[cunning mango]

Me omw to fuck up my dads top secret project because i just cant go to terra and tell him

[sly ivy]

Yes should be

Mark Wahlberg

The one true voice of the emperor

[cunning mango]

Nah i think they opened the flood gates with the lion and girlyman

[winged jacinth]

If hes going to be voiced by anyone it should be christopher walken

Lion and gulliman were alive

[arctic talon]

^

[winged jacinth]

Healing in stasis, it was known lore

[arctic talon]

We haven't had any revived actual dead bodies

[cunning mango]

Ah

[winged jacinth]

Sanguinus got cut in half or some shit

[arctic talon]

He got fucking crucified lol

[winged jacinth]

"Owned" perchance

[cunning mango]

Wait so is rorgal dead or just out somewhere doing whatever the fuck

[winged jacinth]

Dorn is dead

[sly ivy]

No he turned into a tank

They told him he could become anything

So he chose

Autistic ass mf spent all his time playing World of Tanks anyway

[winged jacinth]

Dead as a dorn-ail

[cunning mango]

I love dorn

[arctic talon]

Dorn is unknown status

they found his arm

[cunning mango]

I will gladly build a comically large sandcastle to defend terra

[plush mason]

so like, is Cadia in segmentum solar or obscurus?

[arctic talon]

Obscurus

Dorn was dead in 2e

then they retcon'd his death in 3e

[winged jacinth]

*was

[arctic talon]

It used to be the fists owned his corpse

now its just his arm

[near wasp]

Lies, gman fucking died in the process to revive him and also Khan flatlined against morty

[cunning mango]

Believe they were literally right outside the eye of terror

[arctic talon]

I forgor about Khan

Guilliman was whatever

that was just a writing choice

thats my opinion

[near wasp]

Gman has died multiple times

[winged jacinth]

The pylons on cadia actively held the eye to its former size iirc

[arctic talon]

he has died once aside from gathering storm

[cunning mango]

Could vulkan come back or nah

[arctic talon]

Vulkan is probably alive

rn

he also hates the imperium

[winged jacinth]

Which is why we're in the situation we're in

[arctic talon]

so your results ,may vary

[arctic talon]

in part yeah

something else also happened

[near wasp]

Vulcan probs just relaxing on a feral world teaching the people there steel smithing and love

[arctic talon]

yeah

Vulkan wants nothing to do with the imperium

[cunning mango]

This is the question we should be asking

Which primarch would play deepstar galactic

[winged jacinth]

Dorn

Deepsquat

[near wasp]

You mean deep rock galactic?

[cunning mango]

Ye

Spelling is terrible tdy lol

ROCK AND STONE

[near wasp]

Honestly peterturbo or dorn

[plush mason]

they would both play and spend every moment of the run killing each other

and they would ether be engineer or driller mains

[cunning mango]

Dorn is 1000% engineer main

[dapper gyro]

Corax is so fucking invisible that no one cares.

[celest dome]

Corax and Jagathai are playing as Scouts

[sly ivy]

Nah Jag is tired of runnin

He’s become a fat Asian grandpa. Buffs by making the rest of the team feel ashamed

[winged jacinth]

Gunner then

Ride the zipline

[dire loom]

🗣️ **After learning more about the lore (should be obvious at first glance), the Imperium of Man are the good guys. Chaos is the bad guys. There's a clear cut good and evil in Warhammer 40k.

If you consider everything. Imperium is the best hope for humanity, there's no alternative. Enlighten me if there is, but there's currently no large human faction that's capable of doing anything significant on a large scale etc.

Roleplay and fandom aside, because you can like any faction and that's fine obviously. Etcetera

It's all for fun. It's not real life. (Yet Lol)

However, there's definitely a good vs bad concept in there buried underneath all that grim dark.

I don't understand why people say all factions are bad and this weird gray morality. There's definitely a clear cut bad guy, or evil. If anything.

Which is Chaos, chaos literally just wants to destroy or corrupt everything etc.

Thoughts and opinions? **

I know it's obvious or cliche that I am an Imperium fan supporting the Imperium. Obvious bias but still.

[median star]

currently the imperium is the best hope has it always been the best hope no

[dire loom]

Yeah, the Imperium is the only large human faction. Unless I'm blind.

[median star]

wasnt always is what im saying and they definitely werent the nicest

[dire loom]

I think the height of humanity was the dark age or was it called something else? They had crazy tech but AI Skynet ruined it. Like a subtle warning to the viewer IMHO about AI in general IRL. I think the author intended it to be that way.

[median star]

even after during the great crusade their were a lot of decently sized human empires that got fried cause didnt wanna be under big e

[storm jungle]

Dark Age was its pinnacle but humanity was as divided as ever, there was no singularity and we got no idea what started the uprising so we cant really blame AI when some also took humanity's side.

[dire loom]

The only one that survived, only option now. Best to just lock in. Unless games workshop pulls a Warhammer fantasy Bretonians in space 2.0 but that's not much of an upgraded viable option. Lol

It's pretty much the same as Imperium, but more bagging on the peasantry than usual.

[storm jungle]

Also theres no good/bad concept, everyone is bad. Especially the Imperium of Man, GW said as much.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1Xpzeld6/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/

This is how you slowly go down the route of apologizing for the stuff the Imperium does and fall down the rabbit hole.

[median star]

the raging murder blood demons ARE the good guy you dont understand

[storm jungle]

[dire loom]

They weren't strong enough too though, so even if they had good morals and honor etc. How would they hold off against the terrors lurking out there in the universe?

[storm jungle]

They werent strong enough because we need the Imperium as the main human faction.

And they also doomed humanity to a slow painful death.

so

[median star]

imperium never survived the dark age as it didnt exist yet

[storm jungle]

When you have to choose between two evils, you're better off not choosing at all.

40k doesnt really also support that kind of ideology, you are just suppose to pick your flavor of horrible and have fun with it

[median star]

bros part of the kabal

[dire loom]

Yeah, it's unfortunate.

[storm jungle]

We are always destined to kill ourselves so its normal tbh

We cant get along in a single bit of rock, a few million is about the par for the same course.

[storm jungle]

*Cabal, also their motive was different and dumber lol

[arctic talon]

Chaos is def like

the only faction that is just

evil

Orks also ig

but Chaos is just evil and is inevitable

[dire loom]

I had a good point, but apparently it's blocked so it'll never be posted.

R.I.P

[storm jungle]

This isnt really a good poitn

The Imperium is bad

you dont have to be a genius to figure that out or defend them

they are literally goofy space nazis

its what makes them fun lol

[median star]

why is that a blocked word now

[arctic talon]

GW is very explict on the Imperium being

comedically evil lol

[dire loom]

Trying to figure out which word is blocked is a mission.

I give up.

[arctic talon]

THE MOST CRUEL AND BLOODY REGIME IMAGINABLE

[storm jungle]

it literally shows on the image lol

[dire loom]

Oh, thanks. I appreciate it. Yeah that's what I was trying to say.

[arctic talon]

I think the entire preamble

of every single 40k book with an imperial pov

is like

enough to show that GW is saying "hey the imperium is evil"

lol

[storm jungle]

^

[dire loom]

🗣️ ** There is only WAR**

[storm jungle]

the entire reason the made that post

is because a literal nazi won a official tournament in spain

and people were extremely offput by it

[arctic talon]

he didnt win

he got kicked out

lol

[storm jungle]

yeah but he won a lot

lmao

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

because nobody wanted to play with him

[arctic talon]

real

Good from spain

the dude is banned from pretty much everywhere as well now

lol

[median star]

the word in question smh

[dire loom]

A actual Nazi or a racist? I thought all real Nazis are old as hell or dead.

[arctic talon]

Racist neonazi

who literally did the hitler salute

and painted the swastika on his stuff

[storm jungle]

Actual nazi

[dire loom]

Ah, that makes more sense.

[storm jungle]

spain has a very weird thing on nazis

since it was like fascist for a long time

so they are more light on them

[arctic talon]

tbf, facist spain did win the civil war

lol

[storm jungle]

yeah lol

[arctic talon]

Insert joke about leftist infighting

[celest dome]

They haven't got the same stigma cause they were not enemy with the Nazi

At the time

[arctic talon]

me when the moderates, royalists and socialists are all busy killing each other

[dire loom]

I thought world war 2 was over. What happened to the Nazi hunters? I thought they took out all of em or had em arrested etc.

[arctic talon]

because their grand vision doesn't align so the obvious solution is to kill each other

[arctic talon]

he's not an actual nazi in terms of like was part of the Nazi party

[dire loom]

Jesus..

[arctic talon]

I have never met one of these people in real life

but they do exist

unfortunately

[dire loom]

Glad I wasn't around to witness such a thing.

[median star]

he played table top with goebbels himself actually

[arctic talon]

lol

[celest dome]

I have met a Nazi but while doing rpg in rl

[dire loom]

What happened?

Did you go ham?

I'd assume the game just ended and y'all duked it out. Crazy that you met an actual neonazi while playing table top.

That's why it's probably better to play video games.

If someone sus, you can just back out of the lobby or something. Table top is a bit too personal, awkward and hella dangerous with strangers.

[crystal forum]

did he look like what you'd expect

[dire loom]

Yeah, I'm curious too

[celest dome]

He got banned like in less than an hour

[dire loom]

Took a whole hour..

Was he wearing anything or did he say something?

Etc.

[celest dome]

So basically we were running a Hunter the Reckoning one-shot, we had given some guide lines to what we would accept as player characters, so we start to have all the players present their character. And his had a German name that I didn't pick up upon.

So we start the introduction fight, and as things develop one of the other player tap me on the shoulder and pass me their phone.
They had pulled up the wiki page of a Nazi general...whose name sake the player had chosen 💀

[outer wave]

Bruh, not only is that just weird, but thats so lazy?

[celest dome]

Less than an hour

[outer wave]

Like you're just gonna RP as some IRL nazi guy?

Thats it?

Not even gonna make a guy up?

[celest dome]

Wasn't even a famous Nazi, like I hadn't even picked up on it.

[dire loom]

Context is key, because false witch hunts are a thing. I've been called a Nazi while roleplaying as a Arbitrator, even some of my cosplays made some people say I'm a Nazi for liking how cool larping as a Sith Lord was.

Like you can curb stomp a ewok in a video game it's fine. A Ork can cook someone alive in a game it's fine. But I think when it comes to real life, that's different obviously, it's not just pretend or roleplaying. I think I mentioned somewhere around here how some people are put off by "roleplayers". I know personally from World War 2 games and those communities that some people are definitely not just roleplaying. Lol

So I understand the concerns.

Which is why I said it's fine if you like any Warhammer 40k faction, it's just a game. Lol

[dire loom]

Well, he could have been trolling. Was it the full name or just a surname or first name? Some names are common.

[dire loom]

R.I.P all Germans who aren't Nazis. Lol

[celest dome]

We didn't accept "trolling". And was full name

[dire loom]

Was he a Krieger?

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Good show.

[outer wave]

I dunno how you can 'troll' like that in a tabletop pen and paper game?

[celest dome]

Ok. Like here I'd suggest stopping and thinking.

[nocturne crest]

I wonder what's the point where the Imperium destroys Armageddon rather than let it fall into Orks or Chaos' hands.

[arctic talon]

Not yet

[dire loom]

Yeah, if you're not comfortable with it, I don't blame yah. Sometimes dark humor can be a bit much, but in this case I think he was racist low-key and was trolling at the same time. I know someone with ass burgers that was like that. No longer friends with em though after multiple arguments and talks we had about his bad behavior etc.

[celest dome]

Where all thr Hives are lost

[arctic talon]

It’s still producing shit

It’s still making Oil

And tanks

[celest dome]

Still exporting Regiments

[dire loom]

Gave him plenty of warnings, but he just couldn't stop.

Might be because of the mental disorders. Probably TMI my bad.

[dire loom]

Do you mean what's the point of holding onto the planet?

I think it might be a strategic location.

Plus probably some raw resources too.

I'd have to look it up but that's my guess.

[nocturne crest]

I'm just wondering how much of a priority would it be to retake it if they lost all their ground forces.

[dire loom]

It could hold significant spiritual importance to imperial citizens too. So losing it could demoralize the Imperium the same way when Cadia fell.

It was like their 9/11

[storm jungle]

The issue is the Imperium fanbase doesnt help itself by propagating the nazi rumor by almost half the time turning out to be nazis themselves, ive been in this fanbase for over 10 years and ive never met such an annoying group as much as I have with most of them.

[dire loom]

It would depend, sometimes the Orks would give openings on purpose too.

[plush mason]

the mental gymnastics they do to both claim the imperium are the good guys and that their actions are justified irl is crazy

[dire loom]

That's why I keep to myself for the most part. I'm hella shy, I think this is the only discord server where I feel comfortable enough to chat for a bit etcetera. Y'all did an amazing job keeping the peace.

[nocturne crest]

Probably, unless Ghaz gets the vision and turns Armageddon back into an Attack Moon.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its because we ban fascist users (who all turn out to always use space marine pfps which is a funny thing I noticed)

tho they also give themselves up REAL fast

[dire loom]

In universe, yes. In real life, no.

[dire loom]

I forgot they could do that. Lol

Ork voodoo

If you believe hard enough..

[near wasp]

Some of the imperium's crimes are perhaps a necessary evil like regulation of psyker but like that doesn't mean there the good guys. They are the worst regime to exist and doing one thing right does not equal them being good guys

[outer wave]

^

Servitorization is a great example of this

[storm jungle]

The Imperium kills more humans than their enemies

[dire loom]

sigh

This is why we can't have nice things. Lol

I was wondering why people were giving me so much flak. It's PTSD and nam flashbacks from bad experiences with other people. Which I understand why now. It just sucks that I can't like something without the stigma behind it.

(Send the Psykers to the black ships!)

"Omg NAZI!"

Happened a few times outside this discord server and discord in general where I was just roleplaying memeing.

I'm still kind of new to the community in general. Learning something new everyday.

[dire loom]

Yeah, it's a necessary evil, I don't think Big E would do anything bad during peace time. Until chaos screwed everything up.

We'll never know though, because war is eternal.

[storm jungle]

tbf

[dire loom]

I'm always nice to everyone in Rouge Trader until I have to make a decision.

[storm jungle]

the Imperium was also very bad during "peacetime"/30k

[near wasp]

It's like gulliman said if they didn't treat people like there lives were already hell they wouldn't have a reason to sell there soul to hell

[dire loom]

I can't help it if they don't wanna pay their taxes!

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Also yeah chaos cults exist on almost every single imperial world for a reason lol

[outer wave]

Thats great and all, but you gotta realize that IoM do use people, irregardless of how minor their crime was, as a placement for AI by using their bodies to do all kinds of labour, from applying medicae to wiping grime off statues to even being a fucking door. This is how the IoM treats its populace as a whole.

[storm jungle]

Also what the Imperium considers a "crime" can vary wildly lol

you can be a criminal for just thinking freely

[dire loom]

I thought it was only the bad people who were forced to do stuff? Like the servitors.

[winged jacinth]

Its very probable that better human faction solutions than the imperium existed and were wiped out by big E

[storm jungle]

No, innocent people get servitorized constantly

[winged jacinth]

Who was nothing if not vain

[nocturne crest]

Isn't smiling too much a crime in the imperium?

[storm jungle]

Theres a great book excerpt where a techpriest is going through the memories of a servitor and its last memories are of a mom whos screaming at being taken away for trying to steal food for her family lol

[sly ivy]

I have no idea what the remaining 150 messages are but I want to cut in to say this is not true I am literally the good guy duh

[opaque coyote]

Basically the Imperium is labeled as the most evil regime for a fucking reason

[dire loom]

You gotta have a few good people in the Imperium. I like how GW is slowly humanizing the Imperium to be token good guys, or at least having more chill people in positions of power.

[nocturne crest]

I'm basing this off a quote from the Arbites in Darktide.

[celest dome]

Oh they did, like the Interex

[dire loom]

Oof, well I didn't do it!

[near wasp]

Didn't the interex originally create the anathame

[dire loom]

It was Hadron!

Gets executed

[outer wave]

You can absolutely have good people in the Imperium! But the Imperium is the Imperium, and those good people are still raised with those Imperial ideals in mind. They may not throw 100s of 1000s of people into the frontlines or be executed, but they may still find free think to be something heretical and some such.

[sly ivy]

Counterpoint might is right in a hostile universe therefore

[celest dome]

The sword was in a museum, not sure if they had created it or found it

[opaque coyote]

It's like if WW2 era Imperial Japan, the Nazi's, and the Khmer Rouge decided to all screw each other, created a baby, and then that Baby mutated.

And now you got the Imperium.

[winged jacinth]

I hedge because who knows maybe they'd have folded to orks or chaos but we never got the chance to find out because they folded to humanity first

[sly ivy]

Yes

Does He on Terra smile

No he grimaces 4 ur sins

[opaque coyote]

"MY NOSE FUCKING ITCHES"

[sly ivy]

The agony

[near wasp]

The only smile your allowed to have is in death because then at least you duty is done

[sly ivy]

(it’s rigor mortis)

[dire loom]

Yes. I'd be that chill guy, memes and jokes aside.

[winged jacinth]

Smiling is a sign of madness

[opaque coyote]

Even some random citizen who is well liked

Probably has killed somebody in self defense because hives have a lot of gangs

[winged jacinth]

Its the imperium nuffin to smile about

[sly ivy]

Enter the Iron Hands and their uhhhh special tech

[dire loom]

Probably would get executed for some of my iconoclast tendencies. At least Abelard agrees.

Abelard understands, he gets me. My spirit animal.

[winged jacinth]

Theres loads of good people in the imperium they die in the manufactories every day

[near wasp]

I work with alarm systems to likely is I get servitized to be more effective

[dire loom]

I always treated the workers with dignity, and always made sure the taint of chaos didn't get em.

[sly ivy]

Bro dares 2 impugn the STELLAR safety record of hive industrial complexes

Mortality so low population remains above replacement rate

Infants no longer required to work after human rights act of 35,456 (under review for possible heresy)

[dire loom]

Chaos is still a terrible alternative to the Imperium. It's like you're offing yourself IMHO.

It's a hard life in the Imperium as a peasant, but you shouldn't succumb to chaos.

I see chaos as a metaphor for addiction, depression, drug or substance abuse. It gives me those vibes. Escapism.

Never ends well.

You're better off running to the Tau and hoping the Imperium forgot about you. Lol

[near wasp]

Arguably chaos is the better option for some people selling your soul doesn't seem so bad when you already live in hell

[celest dome]

I mean, picking Chaos may be a way go to a higher state of living

[dire loom]

But it'll never end when you die..

[near wasp]

Then go full dive and become a daemon prince

[sly ivy]

Yeah chaos is a bad deal. It also is shown to strip you of the higher nobilities

[dire loom]

I had a friend who told me that too.. his characters always looked deformed or mutated. No thank you. Lol

[outer wave]

Of course chaos is bad, its not meant to be good and the setting knows that. Both chaos and IoM are bad options. In fact, almost everything in 40k is a bad option except leaving the galaxy entirely.

[sly ivy]

Love, comradery, self-sacrifice for your fellows vs your god

[celest dome]

Being in the Imperium and as faithful as can be won't stop you from being deformed and mutated

[dire loom]

Yeah, but not everyone can do that. Average person is cooked.

[near wasp]

Bugs surround the galaxy

[sly ivy]

Interestingly in AoS the random chaos tribes seem to have a more stable existence.

[outer wave]

Even further out

[near wasp]

XD

[sly ivy]

All the other galaxies is ate ☺️

[dire loom]

I rather off myself, never accepting chaos. Apparently there's nothing but horrors waiting outside the galaxy.

[storm jungle]

I mean yeah

thats the point

[dire loom]

Most people would off themselves if they were thrown into Warhammer 40k. Regardless of factions.

[near wasp]

I mean even if you do die and not sell your soul it just means random daemons tear you apart

[outer wave]

Well, assuming that chaos only works in-galaxy and has no influence outside of it, you can go to a not-Tyranid infested galaxy free of Chaos and have a half-decent life

[late osprey]

Chaos is the ultimate rat-race. The 1% who make it become Daemon Princes and become literal gods of their personal dimensions.

[celest dome]

Dying loyalist won't make you immune from being vored by a daemon or other warp being

[late osprey]

That alone is tempting enough for people to try their luck

[dire loom]

The abhumans are alright

Especially Ogryn

[storm jungle]

I mean

[storm jungle]

they also get abused

and treated as subhuman freaks

they are only kept around because they are useful

which isnt really great lol

[sly ivy]

Just like me fr except the useful part 😊

[outer wave]

Ogryns are also treated a little like pets more so than actual people sometimes

[near wasp]

It's ok you'll make a good doorknob

[outer wave]

Which is pretty awful and uncomfortable when you think about that a bit

[sly ivy]

They’re totally treated as pets.

[dire loom]

I was too distracted by the John Carpenter's the Thing Love Craftian inspired art work. Lol

Good lore stuff though, I'll save for later.

[outer wave]

Yeah, its pretty rough

They're not friends like human to human

[storm jungle]

considering we got people that do that to normal folks IRL it checks out

[outer wave]

They're friends as in "This is my dog" kinda friends

[outer wave]

Fuck, do we? Thats awful

[storm jungle]

See extremely rich people

[sly ivy]

Rip

[outer wave]

Fuck

[dire loom]

Basically never endlessly offing. I can imagine there being another warp realm called super warp and it keeps going on from there. It never ends!

[storm jungle]

they will literally dangle 100 bucks in your face and tell you to do a trick for them for a "payday"

and you will probably do it

because you need that money lol

[outer wave]

Christ thats dehumanizing

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

just look at places like Dubai

literal slave city

[near wasp]

I'll sell my pride and shame for a cheese burger

[sly ivy]

Rip

[dire loom]

I have a feeling it's everywhere.. lol

[storm jungle]

I remember telling all the inner workings to my family once because they were like "oh man its so pretty!"

[outer wave]

From what I understand, chaos is only galaxy-wide, not universe wide

Which is as dumb as it sounds

[dire loom]

Everything is a pyramid scheme! Illuminati confirmed!

[sly ivy]

I’ve been like… I think friends(?) with a couple of people who are not rich rich but like a few million dollars rich.

Probably sub 10 million

And like

It’s sometimes subtle

But you do feel like a plaything

[dire loom]

Yes!

[sly ivy]

Or a little source of entertainment to be switched on or off. Not in an unkind way.

[storm jungle]

YEP

[celest dome]

I feel it can make sense when you consider:

• Not all of chaos, just the 4 Chaos God (Deeper warp having worse stuff)
• Galaxy being where the Chaos God started their great game in that specific setting

[dire loom]

You see, we must rise up!

It's definitely a class struggle, but please.. no communism.

[sly ivy]

And the worst most dehumanizing thing for me is I would start to worry about it like “oh I hope he asks me to come have a drink again! I hope I was funny enough!”

Like… why

And it’s not even their fault it just happens.

[storm jungle]

Yeah that is bad

[dire loom]

Well, there use to be friendly gods or warp entities.. but um yeah..

[storm jungle]

never think of yourself like that lol

like-

[dire loom]

It's like a reflection of emotions I think

[storm jungle]

that is the mindset the lackies of people like Stalin would make btw

[dire loom]

The warp

[storm jungle]

one guy would literally take notes on which jokes Stal laughed at and didnt

that kind of dehumanizing shit lol

[plush mason]

i just want to add that the good people in the imperium are there to show just how fucked the system as a whole is, no matter how good they are or how much power they are able to get they cant fix anything, the imperium is so rotted from top to bottom that not even the avenging son himself who's main power is god-like statesmanship and logistical planning can unfuck it

[sly ivy]

Yeah it’s gross. I didn’t realize I was starting to do it.

[near wasp]

Bet he was the last guy to be removed from Stalin's photo

[sly ivy]

(It’s not just money — this person is big in my field / has a major influence on careers etc )

But anyway

Digression sorry you just reminded me

[storm jungle]

TLDR Rich people bad

we should eat them 🙏

[sly ivy]

the point is it’s not even conscious it just like happens

[near wasp]

No cannibalism is bad dilara

https://tenor.com/view/periodicazo-fifidonia-newspaper-gif-5642703893973833213

[plush mason]

10k years of unchecked corruption and stagnation on every level of government can not be fixed

[sly ivy]

Noooo free market capitalism good

Says the guy who gets majorly creeped out by the rich

…. Don’t @ me I know I’m a hypocrite

[dire loom]

You have my condolences, that sounds depressing.

[late osprey]

Considering a lot of Daemon Princes get rewarded for starting up and leading successful cults, that's not too far from the truth

[dapper gyro]

Too much micro plastic in those people.

[sly ivy]

It doesn’t mean they aren’t nice people or there weren’t actual moments of what anyone would call friendship.

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are just "disconnected" sometimes

[vagrant fox]

I would be an excellent rich friend, I'd make people dance for me and get blackout drunk and then ditch them in the middle of nowhere just for the laughs

[dire loom]

Look not all is bad in the Imperium, have some extra rations-

Gets executed

Attention citizen, multiple third parties-

[near wasp]

I'd make people do a play, nothing serious just a minor one called the "war in heaven"

[arctic talon]

Unfortunately communism always implodes as an economic system at a certain size

[storm jungle]

Community moment

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dire loom]

Reminds me of Shagorath from Elder Scrolls. Can't remember how to spell name.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[near wasp]

That's probably about right, who cares he certainly doesnt he's completely mad

[dire loom]

The Daedra from Elder Scrolls are way more wholesome than the Chaos Gods. Lol

Well some of em.

[near wasp]

Oh for sure

[dapper gyro]

Because you have more of them, so they can be more specialize in each aspect of life.

Unlike the chaos gods.

[storm jungle]

Daedra are more like fallen angels/trickster gods

its what makes them funny

Jyggalag my beloved

also shoutout to my boy Sheogorath

[near wasp]

Azura cursed my dark elves ;-;

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-sheogorath-skyrim-fishstick-do-you-mind-gif-13888772

[dire loom]

Simpler times

[plush mason]

the fact that he is the PC from oblivion in skyrim is still wild to me

[storm jungle]

same its so wacky

i guess it fits him

lol

[dire loom]

Blessed*

[plush mason]

well its how it works for the gods of elder scrolls

its called mantling

and it has happened so so many times in elder scrolls lore lmao

[dire loom]

Similar to that one primarch.

You become them or something like that.

Terrible curse

[plush mason]

thats not a primarch thats lucius the champion of slannesh

[dire loom]

Imagine becoming your enemy or something or someone you hated. Lol

[plush mason]

you dont

his soul laches on to yours and takes you over

[dire loom]

You mind is reduced to atoms

Terrible fate

[plush mason]

it can even happen to a necron that canonically dont have souls

[arctic talon]

Well for lucius

[dire loom]

Sheogorath is at least funny and wholesome and helpful sometimes.

[arctic talon]

Your soul gets integrated into the armor

If you have one

[celest dome]

fight Lucius naked

[dire loom]

R.I.P

[arctic talon]

That wouldn’t work

Unfortunately

[dire loom]

[celest dome]

interpretation is king

[vagrant fox]

jyggaheads rise up

[dire loom]

Maybe if you harness Ork energy, there's hope for renewable resources.

Just a thought

[arctic talon]

That’s just harnessing warp energy

[near wasp]

Ork body's should be distilled into biofuel

[celest dome]

Didn't one of the book imply they make beer out of Orks ?

[near wasp]

Fungus beer?

[sly ivy]

I need to read more serious history and economics on how this happens : where the inflection point sits.

[arctic talon]

I’d read on the Paris commune

That’s the big one imo

Wait no

Wrong one

Fuck

It’s one of the French communes

It was the biggest one that didn’t implode violently

[vagrant fox]

Maybe the Marseille one

[late osprey]

It's all just theoretical, but my guess is it's at the limit where communities break down which is like

1000 people?

[plush mason]

1000 seems a little high

[vagrant fox]

Dunbar's Number says 150 🤓

that's for something completely different but I'm sticking to it

[celest dome]

Ye, feel like 2-300 hundred max if you have some peoples that are good at managing that sort of stuff

[plush mason]

yeah 300 seems like the max imo

because even that number is hard to keep a sense of community

and you very much wont know a good half of your community

[arctic talon]

There was a US commune that lasted 10 years

With over 100 people living in it(including kids)

Not including kids it’s like 80 something

[plush mason]

yeah communes are always small

[arctic talon]

It ended because the people got sick of running it

And wanted to reintegrate into society which yeah makes sense

They were kind of isolated as hell lol

[celest dome]

Did some comment get destroyed?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Some communes got destroyed by their governments

[sly ivy]

Yes beyond True Communism (TM) tho what about the systematic failures of larger scale systems like the USSR that tried to implement heavy redistribution of wealth etc.

[arctic talon]

The USSR was never really communist

They failed at the first hump

And then became a totalitarian nightmare

[storm jungle]

"Custodes hate primarchs"

THEY HAVE SINCE 2010

AAUAAGHH

[arctic talon]

Custodes have hated primarchs since their introduction lol

[sly ivy]

yes yes but there were significant aspects to its system that made it more so than the US or Western Europe.

[arctic talon]

They also hate marines

[sly ivy]

Nationalized industries

[arctic talon]

Mhm

[sly ivy]

State controlled distribution etc.

[near wasp]

Oh yeah of course the emperor's fake. Trayzen stole the original

Duh

[sly ivy]

Bro this is the easiest thing in the world to infer

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

People got so mad at that 3 pages

[sly ivy]

Literally those things caused the worst thing in Custodes history / the overall failure of their entire raison d’etre

[storm jungle]

Like

Dioc is obviously a bit biased sure

but the crashout is legit very justified lmao

[vagrant fox]

Media literacy is a very difficult skill to acquire

[storm jungle]

people getting mad at the custodes due to primarch favoritism is hilarious

so i cant complain

[sly ivy]

Thankfully there is a shortcut in that ppl can just believe everything I say

which is even more effective

[vagrant fox]

my word is total truth

[near wasp]

I honestly like the custodes more than Marines and primarchs

Like valerian is the goat

[sly ivy]

Despite FAKE NEWS purveyors from the lamestream media challenging me and the VERY ACCURATE fandom.com on things like the wizard elf ship

[vagrant fox]

Custodes are pretty funny, marines fans seething is a cherry on the top

[near wasp]

Custodes laughing at that dudes joke about his boss kills me every time

[sly ivy]

Diocletian somehow manages to annoy everyone even from a fictional reality

The true GOAT

[near wasp]

I pray one day a book will continue valerians story but honestly I doubt it at this point

[sly ivy]

Wraight has to want to get back to it

[near wasp]

[vagrant fox]

come on, you gotta like them

[arctic talon]

Tbf Diocletian was literally designed that way

[sly ivy]

Lmaoooooo

[near wasp]

Give that man a lho-stick

[storm jungle]

Me going through another 40klore thread

It involves someone in the comments shit-talking ferrus

Eternal reward jumpscare

[near wasp]

Oh gods why'd you remind me

[storm jungle]

He legit cannot help himself

fucking dickhead lmao

[near wasp]

Nooooo

[storm jungle]

hahaha

okay ill stop lol

[dire loom]

First word: 🗣️ Blood!

[vagrant fox]

My eternal custodian 🫡 😔

[near wasp]

Dilara I had almost forgotten about him

[dire loom]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-skulls-for-the-skull-throne-blood-for-the-blood-god-gif-18272573

All I think of when I see any about blood or Khorne.

[storm jungle]

Im sorry lmao

but I legit laugh whenever i see iron hands mentioned and he just walks in screeching "NOOOO" in a thread on the subreddit

ironically he makes me hate IH more than I did beforehand

[near wasp]

Perhaps I should bait him

[arctic talon]

reddit

[vagrant fox]

He did manage to make me completely indifferent to IH to liking them a little at least

[storm jungle]

Same, almost.

I think he doesnt realise he plays right into the streotype of a space marine fan

[near wasp]

Iron hands are a chapter I just do not vibe eith

[storm jungle]

Same

[vagrant fox]

I often think about this madlad when I think of Khorne
Who was he, what was his deal

[dire loom]

Custodians are mini emperors

They gold

[dapper gyro]

Not just SM, but the IH ones...

[storm jungle]

Also another peak comment

[sharp pollen]

chibi e's

[dapper gyro]

Those are almost as bad as the blind Krieg fans.

[dire loom]

KHORNE warrior poetry. Lol

[arctic talon]

Both are batshit insane theocratic totalitarian governments

Pretty apt

[dire loom]

Too much Krieg stuff, need more Cadian..

[near wasp]

Honestly why doesn't the imperium just strap more people up with explosives and send them into the enemy

[arctic talon]

If Jay was here he’d kill you for daring to utter the word cadian

[arctic talon]

They do

[dire loom]

Still waiting on a vox backpack for my veteran.

[arctic talon]

Usually penal regiments and frateris militia

It’s well represented in munda

[near wasp]

Ah I haven't read any munda

[arctic talon]

Where it talks about how cawdor is stealing frateris Militia strats

And then the next page talks about bomb vests

[late osprey]

what i specifically would like is more non-cadian regiments that are in the cadian/standard garb

[dire loom]

They do, rat zealots.

[late osprey]

it feels like they're the only ones who wear the standard equipment these days

[arctic talon]

GW did like 5+ recently

Truskan snow hounds, grendish grenadiers

Faeburn something

[sly ivy]

He lives

[vagrant fox]

Fatshark add a zealot blitz that makes you explode when you go down 🙏

[sly ivy]

Praise be

[near wasp]

Cadians kinda are boring

[arctic talon]

Oh also you can give your juves bomb vests

Lol

As cawdor

[near wasp]

Yeah yeah cry about your planet buddy

[storm jungle]

Unfortunately 😔

[arctic talon]

This is the funniest way to use juves

Moral failure? No problem, activate bomb vest

[sly ivy]

😡

[arctic talon]

Cawdor can equip every character with a bomb vest

[dire loom]

True, it's either more Krieger or rags (the bad kind) or more wannabe Rambo stuff.

[arctic talon]

Technically lol

[sly ivy]

Ok it is funny in Darktide when you select Cadia and it’s just

[arctic talon]

Not sure why you would

[sly ivy]

Gravel

[arctic talon]

But it’s funny

The bomb rats are also funny

Cawdor gang that just explodes

[dire loom]

Stay away from reddit, for y'all's sake and mental health. Lol

[near wasp]

I stay away because reddit just constantly promotes politics and I don't wanna read that shit

[sly ivy]

Yeah stay away from Reddit sheeple never learn the deep truths of the world

[dire loom]

Only look at the top 2 pinned posts for news at best for your favorite game and that's it. If you really had to be bothered with it.

[sly ivy]

From sages such as Eternal PBUH

[storm jungle]

I prefer my fandoms without politics

like metal gear or fallout

🫡

also dickdivers

[arctic talon]

this sounds like a parody you would find on specific websites

[sly ivy]

They don’t want u 2 discover r/40klore and its secrets

[humble shoal]

Making now

[humble shoal]

You mean like giant loli ogryns

I think that was 40k lore

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/siegfried-gbvs-gbvsr-die-verdrängen-gif-17943989853454082534

[plush mason]

no joke dont the metal gear games focus more on like philosophical crap?

[storm jungle]

Or the sex servitor thread

💀

[arctic talon]

Yes

thats the joke

[plush mason]

like how opinions are formed

[arctic talon]

Metal gear is absurdly political

[storm jungle]

A lot of it

[arctic talon]

and philosophical

[storm jungle]

most of it is about how America is a fucking awful nation

which checks out

[arctic talon]

it also has buff men beating each other

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-gif-20736578

[vagrant fox]

metal gear has russian taunts

yes just so

[storm jungle]

that isnt a taunt

thats Ocelot being gay

[sly ivy]

Citizen, do not perform a democracy dive while aroused

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/helldiver-helldivers-2-bile-titan-gif-6555671389602187095

[arctic talon]

Metal gear hates the soviet union lmao its dead and the United states

a lot

Kojima is pretty obvious

[vagrant fox]

wrong

[humble shoal]

Also ai astroturfing

And memes

[storm jungle]

no

[near wasp]

Thanks for housing our nukes

[storm jungle]

🫡

You traded them in for Sokolov

dont complain

[arctic talon]

let Kojima repost gay porn on main again

its so funny whenever he does

[vagrant fox]

There's nothing like waking up and seeing a kojima tweet that looks like him giving head to mads mikkelsen

[storm jungle]

dude kojima dickrides hollywood celebs so hard

lmao

[nocturne crest]

The Shagohod would probably fit into 40k if they added some candles and skulls to it.

[sly ivy]

Kojima is just living his best life or something

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-there's-kojima-theres-kojima-look-goty-gun-muppets-gif-17636091023317301150

[sly ivy]

He is a peculiar man

[vagrant fox]

He's just exploring his sexuality it's fine

[sly ivy]

wat did u call my ex

[storm jungle]

kojima literally dumped one actress for another because she watched a movie she was in once

it was that death stranding bitch, Fragile or whatever her name is

[sly ivy]

based

[storm jungle]

Chudjima 🫡

[sly ivy]

… that based was more difficult to type even than my usual shitpost basedes

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

He also crashed out like a week ago because uhhh

Sony execs didnt allow him to use a very expensive licensed song

and he was like

"do you know who I am"

[near wasp]

Who says I was complaining xD

[storm jungle]

lmao

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Kojima is an asshole

but like

[storm jungle]

No like he 100% is yeah

[humble shoal]

With his new wife pekora

[arctic talon]

he isn't like horrific

[storm jungle]

his behind the scenes stuff regarding MGS is hilarious

[vagrant fox]

He's very funny so it's okay

[storm jungle]

yeah hes more like an asshole producer

[vagrant fox]

Not intentionally funny but you know

[storm jungle]

the more i read up on him

the more i realised why konami dumped his ass

[arctic talon]

He's an asshole producer who has HIS VISION

[storm jungle]

it was hilarious lmao

[arctic talon]

and it must be

[sly ivy]

Classic

[arctic talon]

MY VISION

[storm jungle]

Yep

[arctic talon]

and he's just a prick to anyone who challenges it

in any way

[storm jungle]

like that licensed song incident sums it up

[arctic talon]

lol

[near wasp]

His vision should be of my shiny metal ass

[storm jungle]

he has a lot more of those stories

my favorite quirk of his is his usually extremely dumbass ideas that are a waste of money

"lets have the game disk slightly melt when you get shot and smell like blood"

[dire loom]

🗣️ Me.

Attention moderators multiple third parties-

I joke

[near wasp]

What

[nocturne crest]

Honestly, I wish there were more hovercrafts in 40k.

[storm jungle]

well there is lots

[dire loom]

Moderators outrank me though, I just wish I was around when they'd do the meme.

[storm jungle]

you just gotta find em out

[dire loom]

If ever

Would be hilarious

[dire loom]

I'd always just head canon it for the tech priests.

[nocturne crest]

I think the only one I know of is the admech one.

[near wasp]

There's a primaries grav tank

And stodes have one I think

[dire loom]

I just think of Vlad Harkonnen whenever I hear hover and sci-fi in the same topic.

https://tenor.com/view/dune-arrakis-dune-part-1-harkonnen-atreides-gif-14949351589185319331

[sly ivy]

Black Harkonnen

Bro that’s just P Diddy

[nocturne crest]

There's probably a hovercraft version of the leman russ or chimera.

[sly ivy]

Only one hovercraft can be best hovercraft

[lofty mason]

Could IoM survives if all Astartes chapters joined Horus during the Heresy?

[dire loom]

With enough plot armor, yes.

[dire loom]

Most sane zealot

[arctic talon]

Eldar

[mossy peak]

does 40k use jesus as the year reference

[sly ivy]

Uses my birth, the most important event in human history

[dire loom]

Yes.

[sly ivy]

Temu C’tan

[mossy peak]

should be using the birth of the emperor ngl

[dire loom]

They should be, but for whatever reason..

Unless my memory has failed me again. I thought they were using AD this entire time. If they don't, what year would Warhammer 40k actually be if AD etcetera? The time line

I'll leave it to the experts.

[mossy peak]

what is corpse starch

[dire loom]

Delicious rashuns Sah!

Jokes aside, it's recycled human flesh packaged into a can.. similar to spam or something. Served as rations to most citizens of the Imperium. I think

[mossy peak]

lovely

[plush mason]

not most no, its mainly a hive world thing

due to too many people and not enough food sorces

[near wasp]

It's not even that common it's just that it gets brought up all the time

[dire loom]

Don't ruin my grim dark head canon!!

[plush mason]

lmao

[sly ivy]

Well I mean one could develop a taste 4 it and import

[dire loom]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[sly ivy]

Or set up boutique small-batch starcheries

[dire loom]

Kind of like cannibalism IRL

[opaque coyote]

I always found the concept of demons interesting.

No idea why

[storm jungle]

[dire loom]

I'm glad you understand.

[opaque coyote]

Like ig because you can do so much with them story wise?

You can go with the traditional route

Just making them completely sociopathic and evil

Or make them have their own rules and psychology

Or even use them as an analogue for a group of people that are vilified and hated \

And everywhere in between

[dire loom]

Power fantasy?

[opaque coyote]

Also why I find 40k/Fantasy Daemons to also be interesting

Since although they're all evil, they still have their own goals and interests

Which is why I find shit like somebody become a Daemon Prince purely because they literally ate two Greater Daemons

Wild and funny as shit

[dire loom]

Warhammer fantasy you have more leeway IMHO

[mossy peak]

flavored gourmet starch

[opaque coyote]

#1 way to bulk up:

• Eat two greater daemons

• Absorb so much warp calories you become a demi-god

Actual 40k lore btw

Some woman who was literally so egotisitical that her sheer faith in herself and her abilities

Managed to overpower Keeper of Secrets

[dire loom]

[mossy peak]

isn’t that just zealot class

[opaque coyote]

Nah because instead of the emperor, she believed in herself

like

she was described as believing in solipsism.

the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

[dire loom]

I think anyone that finds the occult interesting IRL would find that type of chaos stuff interesting in Warhammer 40k too.

[opaque coyote]

another definition of it is simply the quality of being very self-centered or selfish.

So imagine being so selfish

[dire loom]

My sister has the literal Chaos Undivided symbol tattooed on her neck.

[opaque coyote]

So absolutely egotistical

That she literally ATE two Greater Daemons of Slaanesh

[dire loom]

She's all into witch craft, and Star signs or whatever it's called.

[opaque coyote]

And through her sheer ego

[dire loom]

I'm sure she's fine.

[opaque coyote]

She managed to ascend to become a Daemon Prince

er

Princess in this case

I guess it's a play on the term "being full of yourself"

[dire loom]

Lol she really hated the Imperium too, and I'm like (NO, Imperium good! Simple as).

[opaque coyote]

And I think the Warp kinda being this weird "metaphorical becomes literal" dimension is fucking wild.

And there is a lot of cool possibilities for what's essentially

"Hell"

[opaque coyote]

I like the T'au

...

Why do I see a bolt flying towards m-

Jokes aside, the worst part about the T'au is that 40k has a problem of wasted potential.

And the T'au are definitely NOT an exception.

I honestly wish they were more like the combine from Halo

Using a varied amount of their auxillary races as soldiers

Like the few tidbits we do get from races that aren't the Kroot

(although tbf the Kroot are actually pretty gnarly)

Are pretty fucking cool

Apparently there's a race that's literally as big as an Imperial Knight

And now I'm thinking of some Pacific Rim type shit

[dire loom]

Where muh heaven at though?

[opaque coyote]

Nah just Hell

Congrats

It's confirmed that most baselines/SMs just return to the warp.

Like a drop of water returning to the ocean. It just melds back and turns into something new.

[dire loom]

Maybe I just don't like weeb stuff and a lot of fans I've met who are Tau are weebish, no offense of course. You can like anime and stuff.. but it was over the top with some of em. Like samurai sword and everything. I was like woah easy there sanguinius!

[opaque coyote]

Psykers are just really unlucky. They actually can maintain themselves when they die.

But that also attract daemons

[dire loom]

[opaque coyote]

and well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU0Q82oTDoo

[dire loom]

Daemons do like their energy.

[opaque coyote]

So inevitably they get ripped apart and eaten

[sly ivy]

Was with u until here lmao

[opaque coyote]

If you are strong enough, you can actually make a little afterlife.

And there is confirmation that the Emperor does take people

[dire loom]

Pocket dimension?

[opaque coyote]

Although how much power, how big, or whether he tries to save them all or just grabs the useful ones is

up to you.

[dire loom]

I knew it, the Emperor protects!

[opaque coyote]

I think a book once described it as like a man on a boat.

Basically just one of those tiny shitty log boats

[sly ivy]

Ye it’s possible that some scraps of every human soul eventually get pulled into the Emperor-Thing In the Warp

[opaque coyote]

Where he's just trying desperately to row

while the ocean constantly assaults him.

[sly ivy]

After they fall out of the teeth of some daemon

[dire loom]

Row faster! The warp entities are catching up again!

[sly ivy]

… or some other orifice

[opaque coyote]

So I like to think, because I like to have a bit of hope, that the Emperor does try to grab anybody.

But that he has a priority system

Like "Oh this guy is easier to save, better grab him first"

bascially triage.

[sly ivy]

ya and the biggest heroes he remakes on the Anvil of Ap… wait

[opaque coyote]

So most people are just consigned to be reincarnated.

[opaque coyote]

Sigmar is just the Emperor except if he wasn't a gigantic asshole

Otherwise known as "The dad Mortarion wishes he got"

Seriously if there is one thing I feel bad about Mortarion, is that he legitmately never got a single good influence throughout his life.

All 3 of his parents are fucking awful

[sly ivy]

Sigmar has the luxury of having way fewer concerns

Ya stinky guy has a stinky life

[opaque coyote]

True, but also the Emperor is just a huge dick

Like bro it would take you like a month maximum to at least help Angron's gladiators.

[opaque coyote]

I mean it is an angle you can take

Whether it's a good one is up to you.

Personally, it can be good, but it usually isn't.

I do like a bit more moral ambiguity than just "These guys suck ass and want to murderize you".

Although tbf, I know some examples of the latter.

[sly ivy]

Daemons in 40K are a specific thing tho. They’re facets of humanity so they can’t really be whole characters.

Ya they shouldn’t be that either

They’re emotion and concepts and the echoes of events

They should be really weird and metaphysical

[opaque coyote]

I think the Torah has the most interesting Iteration of Satan.

This is going into IRL religion but fuck it, time for the political talk (tm).

But basically, he's less of "The Adversary" and more just a prosecutor.

Which I find interesting

Works with God rather than against. Acts as a challenge rather than an enemy.

Which also makes the story of Job slightly less...

uh

assholeish

Because it's more like two colleagues talking to each other and genuinely seeing what happens instead of

"Sure ''son'', let me prove you wrong once again!"

[sly ivy]

The Satan in Job is really tenuously connected to the Satan figure in the New Testament and/or whatever tf Revelation is tho

[opaque coyote]

True.

Still though I just really don't like the Job story.

[sly ivy]

But yeah daemons should be complex and weird

[opaque coyote]

Poor man.

[opaque coyote]

Again. 40k/Fantasy Daemons are interesting because of that.

Like they obviously do have personalities and characters.

But just like how I need to eat food and drink water

They need to actually murder people.

It would be tragic, but they don't think that, and I don't think that matters when you're being assaulted and taken over.

It is interesting when they actually do form a relationship with a mortal.

It's why Argel Tal is one of my favorite characters.

Raum spending his last moments warning him before dying actually made me feel sad.

Although it can be argued it was for self-preservation.

[sly ivy]

Emperor is actually a lot like the God of Job

[opaque coyote]

...explains a lot

the Emperor is definitely inspired by a lot of mythology

Specifically the more... bad parts

...

at least he doesn't fuck animals

seriously wtf is up with that, why was it so prevalent

💀

[opaque coyote]

...

God fucking dammit

[dire loom]

Beastiality is disgusting, which is why I don't trust furries.

[opaque coyote]

Eh. Anthro animals were always a thing and is distinctly different from... that.

But if you don't like furries, that's fine honestly.

Just don't y'know

attack a random furry drinking coffee or something

[dire loom]

Puts down the baton

Oh..

[opaque coyote]

Like my personal philosophy is "As long as it doesn't actually hurt anybody, go right ahead."

[sly ivy]

Leda begs 2 disagree

[opaque coyote]

Seriously a weird trend in mythology is like

"Oh this swan took off their animal coat and is actually a beautiful woman"

Maybe Featherless Bipeds weren't so far off after all

[sly ivy]

Pastoralists get bored and lonely ok

[rocky gale]

Isn't that just a common thing for animals in general in myths

[opaque coyote]

I always find those stories to just be weird.

And also disrespectful to those theortical women. Like most of them basically are just kidnapping.

Or coercion.

[dire loom]

It's probably just cope for ancient furries.

[opaque coyote]

Like bro give the swan-women her coat back smh

[sly ivy]

I mean not historically inaccurate

[sly ivy]

Lmao

[opaque coyote]

I still find that the funniest moment in greek mythology is how

The Minotaur was made because a God cursed a woman to fall in love with a cow. But that's not the weirdest part.

It's that she contracted the original maze maker

"Hey. Make me a cow suit. Now."

"I don't thin-"

"I will pay you millions"

"How big do you want your Cow ass to be ma'am?"

[sly ivy]

Ancient Greeks 🤝 fetish porn

[opaque coyote]

Bro is basically just like any artist taking commissions tbh

[plush mason]

they had 3 gods of sex so yeah

[opaque coyote]

"Ew no"

"$10,000"

"How big do you want it again?"

[opaque coyote]

One of them is the God of Requited Love

Which means that yes, Greece did know what consent is

THEY JUST FUCKING IGNORED IT BECAUSE THEY WERE ASSHO-

[sly ivy]

There is some incredible Ancient Greek vase art

[opaque coyote]

Technically made the first animations.

Also looking back at ancient cultures made me realize that

[plush mason]

Eros exists so yeah they knew what it was and didnt care

[opaque coyote]

"Damn, people 300 years in the future would definitely think we were assholes."

[plush mason]

but when your culture sees women as dogs what else can be expected

[opaque coyote]

I actually was interested in why women were kinda just...

shafted cultural wise

I think there are some theories that it began in agriculture since most hunter-gatherer groups have a fair share for each gender.

[plush mason]

the Greeks getting their asses kicked by the warrior women of the black sea tribes didnt help matters

[opaque coyote]

But nobody can pin-point when

[sly ivy]

That’s kind of a myth about hunter-gatherer society.

It’s still fundamentally male dominated

[opaque coyote]

True, but also at least they weren't as bad as Greece.

Or Ancient China

[sly ivy]

Definitely ag and being able to support large families, which tied women down with childcare in part I think.

[opaque coyote]

Amazon inspiration moment.

[sly ivy]

So their role became more and more strictly domestic