40k-lore-chat

[plush mason]

like the canids of the guard are very much shown affection

[hasty coral]

Humans WILL seek out companionship

And nothing in 40k suggests that we aren’t still stupid idiot primates

Actually directly shows the contrary

[plush mason]

again im sure the arbitrators show their cyber mastiffs affection, just not the kind of affection a normal person would see as such

[hasty coral]

Oh the degree?

No

Not as much as we do no

We see that in their pet animations

[polar hill]

Idk

[hasty coral]

The mastiffs get small pats for good duty or obedience but nothing like being “spoiled” like we do

[polar hill]

The Arbitrator gives the pooch some really solid neck scritches

[hasty coral]

Yes but it’s never anything overly affectionate, it shows there is a somewhat deep bond there, trust obviously, but nothing to the degree of how even police dogs are treated

[plush mason]

yeah

[hasty coral]

Obviously whether trained to handle their dog like that or not even a trained soldier can’t help getting attached to their furry companion

It’s inevitable

Just that it isn’t overly warm

From the animations I’ve seen

That’s the characterization I get

[plush mason]

the guard's "version" of them are very much treated like irl army dogs

and outrank most guardsmen

[hasty coral]

Yes

But guardsmen aren’t Arbitrators

[plush mason]

nope

[hasty coral]

The mastiff seems happy enough

Some parts chemicals obviously

[humble shoal]

Army dogs are a units treasure

Like killing doc

[plush mason]

and the cyber mastiff dosent need such encouragements or affections, which is good because i doubt someone like an arbitrator is even capable of expressing or understanding such things effectively

[hasty coral]

But the mastiff doesn’t ever seem uncomfortable

[hasty coral]

Correct

Arbites as with most hardass imperium ranks are not very emotionally healthy people

[humble shoal]

Could ve worse

Could be cullexes

[hasty coral]

Yes

All things considered our Arbites and Mastiff are easily among the MUCH better fates in 40k

Almost cushy

Honestly

[humble shoal]

Not cushy

Thats administratum or ecclesiarchy

[hasty coral]

A fairly comfortable position, a loyal companion, fairly well treated

[plush mason]

unless they got the short straw and got sent to a frontier planet

[hasty coral]

In COMPARISON

Obviously

[humble shoal]

Id say better, not cushy

Arguably random overseer on a manufactorum is nore cushy

[hasty coral]

Having a dog and being a police officer definitely seems better then whatever the fuck a servitor goes through

[plush mason]

tbf there are a lot of things better than that

and even they arent the worse fate

tech thralls exist

[hasty coral]

The daemonculba incident 💀

[humble shoal]

Eh servitor isnt that bad

[plush mason]

thats one too

[humble shoal]

In comparison to being the flesh rug

[hasty coral]

Try flesh toilet seat

[humble shoal]

On an EC ship

[hasty coral]

Wait wait WAIT

Are there chaos plumbers?

Even better question

[plush mason]

im sure they have slaves and serfs for that

[polar hill]

Something to bear in mind about servitors is that they're often not people, just vat-grown like cherubs

[hasty coral]

Does chaos stuff break? Do they have IT?

[humble shoal]

This

[polar hill]

Does the Dark Mechanicum count?

[hasty coral]

How does a dark Mechanicus priest fix a daemon computer?

[plush mason]

yeah the death camp factory was a bit of a rare case afaik

[humble shoal]

The main part of a daemon computer is the daemon

[hasty coral]

Do you like

Bargain with it?

[humble shoal]

You do warp shit to get it in there

[polar hill]

By taking the old daemon out and feeding it to a compliant daemon

[humble shoal]

Wizard shit

[hasty coral]

I need a 40k chaos ship sitcom now

[plush mason]

the dark mechanicum where trying to fix the vengful spirit and summoned Vashtor

[humble shoal]

Or it just goes in there like the daemon who possesed a titan

[hasty coral]

The more mundane aspects of chaos life

Like after the evil laughter and rituals

Who makes the flesh furniture?

Who fixes said furniture when it breaks?

Who fixes the toilets?

Do they have lightbulbs?

[humble shoal]

Typically the EC will make his own flesh furniture

[hasty coral]

This is hilarious to me

[polar hill]

The daemonlings, the slaves, and whichever cultist is in charge of replacing the toilets when the toilets stop breathing

[polar hill]

Warplight

[hasty coral]

A chaos warlord just calling up his chaos plumber to fix his screaming flesh toilet

Actually better yet what DO daemons do day to day?

Do they read?

[humble shoal]

Depends on the daemon

They have pretty defined actions they do

[hasty coral]

40k is a lot less grimdark when you think about what the “evil” things do when they have nothing to do

Do they play cards?

[humble shoal]

Nurgle bullies his wife

[hasty coral]

Wait WAIT

[humble shoal]

Maybe tzeentch daemons

[hasty coral]

Tzeentch daemons HAVE to play chess

I refuse to believe they don’t

[humble shoal]

Bloodthirsters kill each other

Nurglings spread plauge and get new diseases

[hasty coral]

This is true

[humble shoal]

Warbands fight among each other

[hasty coral]

Nurgle daemons are chemist nerds

[humble shoal]

Slaanesh has a pretty defined court

[hasty coral]

Khorne just tweak tf out 24/7

Slaanesh just has an endless rave

Tzeentch though

Do they just like

Hang out?

[humble shoal]

Nah they make schemes

Constantly

They cannot stop

[hasty coral]

Do they ask for notes from other daemons?

[humble shoal]

Maybe

[hasty coral]

Are schemes collaborative

Do they give credit?

Scratch that last one

No they wouldn’t

Seriously how HASN’T Nurgle won at least against the other gods yet

Tzeentch constantly betray each other

Khrone constantly kill each other

Slaanesh does BOTH

Like I’m pretty sure only Nurgle GENERALLY tries to work together

[plush mason]

Nurgle is the only god to not care about the great game and only plays it out of obligation

[humble shoal]

No they are not collaborativr

[hasty coral]

Right

[humble shoal]

The GHR is the true winner

[hasty coral]

Because he will win in the end

[humble shoal]

Hes too busy abusing his wife

[hasty coral]

Because he just got ENTROPY

That’s always been funny to me

Nurgle just gets ENTROPY as one of his aspects

As if that isn’t super overpowered

[hasty coral]

Like he has a point

Everything DOES end

Eventually

[humble shoal]

I mean so is change

So is excess

[hasty coral]

This is true but entropy wins

Via heat death

[humble shoal]

Yeah but heres the joke

If entropy truly happens

Nurgle will die

Because he is a parasite on the materium

So he is stagnation, not entropy

[hasty coral]

Tbf even Nurgle ending is pretty poetic

At least he can say he was still right

[rocky gale]

Entropy needs things to entropize, so if everything dies then entropy dies as well

[hasty coral]

Before he starves to death

Oh and punches Isha one more time for good measure

Poor Isha

Talk about short end of the stick

[humble shoal]

best god is the clown

[hasty coral]

“Do you have your library card?”

“B A Z I N G A”

Probably my favorite characterization ITEHATTSD

Made

[humble shoal]

clown god pranked the ctan

[hasty coral]

Tbf the Ctan had that coming

They weren’t the smartest bunch

“Is born”
“Find people”
“Make people into robots”
“Fight some frogs”
“Robots betray us”
“Explode”

Truly

Peak

Showed up just to become a bunch of plot mcguffins for super weapons

[humble shoal]

Trick people into becoming robots*

[plush mason]

you forgot the part where they attacked and ate each other

[hasty coral]

If you wait in line and see the guy in front of you get turned into a mega terminator with no soul, and STAY in the line were you really “tricked”?

[humble shoal]

This is supposedly how the clown pranked them

[hasty coral]

Oh shit you right

Me when a clown tells me to eat my family and I do and then it ends badly:

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shock-shocked-meme-black-guy-shocking-gif-8675501878537230890

Again

Not the smartest

[humble shoal]

Hmmm

Thats a lot of wounds

[plush mason]

bro is gona be paste so fine not even she who thirsts could suck him up

[humble shoal]

Moreso surprised by that wounds number

3k wounds

[plush mason]

oh yeah i just saw that

[humble shoal]

most I got was like 1k

[astral burrow]

Why the fuck is kibellah fighting a 36 wound enemy with 2679 wounds

[plush mason]

better question, how does she have that many wounds in the first place?

[astral burrow]

Idk, man

Kibellah is just weird

She does whatever

[copper patrol]

are you gonna tell her not to, i'm sure not risking that

[plush mason]

seeing as she currently has more wounds than a leman russ tank no i wont be

[astral burrow]

I can just tell her to fuck off

She can't do anything about that

[storm jungle]

Damn missed the crackhead chat hours

[astral burrow]

But I did pay for the dlc, so

I gotta keep her dumbass

[storm jungle]

"weird"

shes a fucking death cultist

she literally allows you to stab her eyeball

i think you're just a bit too much of a normie

🫡

[copper patrol]

and I mean, have you seen her hair cut

[storm jungle]

you're one to talk

fucking dovahkinn ahh

🗣️

[dapper gyro]

One extra hole

[copper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-is-so-mean-to-me-heartbroken-heartbreak-shower-everyone-gif-9844935362240232951

[storm jungle]

what in the-

[plush mason]

death

[dapper gyro]

What? It is a fact.

[storm jungle]

Bro really thinks hes slick

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/threat-bird-bird-big-feet-pukeko-heart-locket-gif-2821869059124172554

[dapper gyro]

How YOU people interpret it, it is not my responsibility.

[plush mason]

lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1169841194025615390/1372231705955401848/ee9ae51590eda3198714ee7538b34d83dd6fb53b.gif

[astral burrow]

I just hate how many piercings she has on her face it makes me feel like I am getting stabbed whenever I look at her

She also splatters blood all over the floor whenever I talk to her bruh

[storm jungle]

Again, stop being a normie

[astral burrow]

It is nasty

[storm jungle]

no shit

its the Imperium

also

[astral burrow]

It is MY fucking ship

[storm jungle]

this is coming from the guy fucking a fish-person

[astral burrow]

I don't want her blood there

Fish woman doesn't bleed on the floor

And is hot as fuck

[dapper gyro]

Hmm...

[storm jungle]

Yeah instead suggests to mutilate crew members

and lose her mind

and mutate into a giant slug

and create political crisises

[astral burrow]

Only suggests

[storm jungle]

[astral burrow]

She reads tomes of military tactics

[plush mason]

this is one i never got

[storm jungle]

She has the mind of a 10 year old

Mid

[astral burrow]

She is 20

[storm jungle]

Navigators mutate the more they age/use their eye

[astral burrow]

She is just sheltered

[storm jungle]

its in their gene

[dapper gyro]

Typical 40k character...

[astral burrow]

I can fix her

[storm jungle]

A product of incest.

[astral burrow]

I will teach her common sense

[storm jungle]

you two deserve each other

[astral burrow]

I am about to diversify that gene pool

[storm jungle]

And hopefully get melted

🫡

[astral burrow]

Worth it

[storm jungle]

praying for some homeless people in your ship to overload the warp reactor

[astral burrow]

How the fuck are they gonna do that

[dapper gyro]

That will weaken the navigator offspring... Which is a no go.

[languid meadow]

Good lord above make the kroot woman a romance option

[storm jungle]

They operate your ship

you pompous cunt

[astral burrow]

I don't fucking know how my own ship works

[storm jungle]

Yeah

my point exactly

lmao

[astral burrow]

I just got appointed to the ship like 3 days ago

[storm jungle]

this is the equilavent of a cook quitting his job and the rich person going "IM GONNA STARVE"

[astral burrow]

Spent like 3 hojrs on the ship total

Hojrs

Hours

I am a fucking psyker

How am I supposed to know

[storm jungle]

You cant even spell

you arent worthy to lead

kill this guy

[astral burrow]

I DIDNT WANT TO LEAD

[storm jungle]

🫡

[astral burrow]

If I quit the game just ends

[dapper gyro]

I'm pretty sure there are some weirdos out there wishing for female Orgryn romance.

[storm jungle]

Lead deez nuts on yo-

[astral burrow]

But I wanna play the game

[languid meadow]

Of cirse ablehard dos it for me

[storm jungle]

ABLEHARD???

[astral burrow]

I wanna cut Abelard off

[astral burrow]

He was busy, couldn't be here to spell rn

[storm jungle]

You'd know

[astral burrow]

Able hard

[storm jungle]

Hes your fucking seneschal

[astral burrow]

Cassia Andor

[storm jungle]

are you like

going full good-guy

lmao

[astral burrow]

He is a fucking idiot

[astral burrow]

Mostly

[storm jungle]

Hes a lot smarter than you are

[storm jungle]

Lame

[copper patrol]

most the mfs in 40k are idiots tbf

[astral burrow]

He treats people bad

I don't like it

Fuck him

[storm jungle]

its to reflect the fanbase

aka us

[storm jungle]

Welcome to 40k

[astral burrow]

It is okay when cassia does it I just tell her no and she stops

Abelard keeps going

[dapper gyro]

Turk on turk action is crazy.

[storm jungle]

You do realise even if hes gone people will still treat people like shit on the ship right

you serve this regime, you cant be a good guy and escape it

[astral burrow]

Yeah but they don't do it next to me while glazing me

[storm jungle]

They do.

Almost your entire ship crew is awful people

[astral burrow]

I don't see it

[storm jungle]

Yeah because you got the eyesight of a bat

[astral burrow]

I don't know anyone from my crew

I go to planet

[storm jungle]

You got like 5s memory i swear

[astral burrow]

I come back to ship, talk to map, fuck off again

I am barely in the ship

[storm jungle]

they talk to you tho

and bring up crisises

unless you dont read

[astral burrow]

I do, it is just the voxmaster

Voxmaster is chill

[storm jungle]

Nope

[astral burrow]

Fucking telephone lady

[storm jungle]

almost every member of the bridge talks to you

i think you just got dementia

tragic 😔

[dapper gyro]

This stuff never ends.

[astral burrow]

It is mostly the voxmaster

The fat money guy barely does anything

[dapper gyro]

Dilara, you really want to fix Krait, don't you.

[storm jungle]

No lmao

[astral burrow]

She can't fix me

I haven't played in weeks

I don't remember shit

[storm jungle]

Why would I wanna fix a burning junkpile

[astral burrow]

[storm jungle]

Dementia 😔

get that treated

[mossy peak]

psykers are significantly stronger than the rest of the rejects lore-wise right

[dapper gyro]

Yes

And also no

[astral burrow]

My psyker isn't

He is weak ass hell

[dapper gyro]

Glass cannon is hard to gauge.

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[languid meadow]

https://youtu.be/Rk_YUSlJK18?si=LusfSeWngViDJJXh this is hilarious

Why is it 20s

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah that is funny

[astral burrow]

I guess they already showed everything else lmao

[storm jungle]

more like because its the GW channel and they just didnt notice it

lol

[tough haven]

You can literally make abelard more merciful

you can shape most companions

[astral burrow]

I did his first quest thingy

And god he pissed me off

[tough haven]

They'll still treat them like shit when you arent looking though

but yeah, all your companions are more or less horrible people

You can go full iconoclast and be as decent as possible within the confines of your authority, but some of those options are REALLY bad for you, but thats the most you can impact things

||Unless you do certain special steps throughout the game, which I wont spoil||

But even then you will still commit terrible acts, people will die, and at least some of those you care about will still suffer

This is 40k

And in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war we clown in this muthafucka! Take your sensitive ass back to Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous

Just lean into it, its more fun!

Semi related but this is one of my favorite pieces of rogue trader content

https://youtu.be/v54IKmKYtE0?si=1dIC0587hy9akIuF

[storm jungle]

I wouldnt take the debate too seriously

[tough haven]

Besides this

https://youtube.com/shorts/1ZSw4a71JsA?si=4PfuspoWs86gCI0v

[storm jungle]

most people cant understand that you gotta be somewhat evil to do your job as a rogue trader

[tough haven]

Its like being a king

you cant make everyone happy

you are going to have to directly or otherwise harm some people

Best you can do is seek a balance

[tough haven]

Oh right, this one too

I love owlcat

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/snTenAfPQH4

Abelard would say this

[vagrant fox]

The problem with marzipan is that he hurts my crew
That's my job

[celest cedar]

the Fatshark channel is longer

[languid meadow]

Yes

That's why it's funny

Why is it 20s

[tough haven]

I keep him around just to deliver him to the inquisition right at the end

I was serious when I told him he would repay his debt to my protectorate

Once he does, I have no use for him

[astral burrow]

Can't watch it rn, does it end abruptly?

[tough haven]

Also I love that he enables you to just kill off an inquisitor snooping around Janus in a certain event

Unfortunately I have to tolerate marzy this run because his existence enables certain ending slides I want

[storm jungle]

Yes.

Its not even done well.

[astral burrow]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

its very obviously badly upoaded

lol

[tough haven]

I do his personal missions and select outcomes to make him as unhappy as possible, then keep him in the naughty corner for the rest of my adventures

[celest cedar]

[storm jungle]

GW shitting over anything FS does is a running trend at this point

[dapper gyro]

Subtitle is one of the few FS strong point.

[chrome owl]

Caption guy never misses

[median star]

https://youtu.be/8QnZxPyKmp8?si=Z9w3J0sENzNvRnqp

cool story

[sly ivy]

Lmfao based

[opaque coyote]

Kinda fucked up

Considering they're essentially Rex from Fallout NV

A dog brain in a robot body

[plush mason]

nah because unlike Rex their brains have been altered heavily

they are servitorized war beasts

[languid meadow]

robo dogs are weird

Idek how to formulate this

the ending slides of new vegas make it seem like robo dogs aren't the brain really

like Rex keeps his sense of self but gains the skills and memories of the other dog

[storm jungle]

It will serve its master

[sour hornet]

I find it the lamest personally, it just felt so bland

[sly ivy]

Ya dogmatic is the only true way

[golden imp]

Was heretic a thing before the emperor died or did that only come around after?

[sour hornet]

Hell no, I went heretical bro 🥀 🥀 🥀

[sly ivy]

[tough haven]

I like a mix of half and half, follow the emperor but as a aspect of his benevolence

[sly ivy]

No such aspect prob a daemon

Repent

[tough haven]

Ok Heretic. then why does the judge, a respected zealot refer to Him as "The Beneficent Emperor"?

[crisp heath]

There's one where a rouge trader has a ork in his retenue I named my discord after the ork it's so funny

https://youtu.be/RS1vboEwR0k?si=NC-REOe8X_Se66dJ

[sacred ginkgo]

Red trader

[crisp heath]

There's actually even parts in the story where they take a blue truck instead of red and the ork goes of at him saying you umies don't get it do ya red means FAST

Blue is for luck ya git

[sly ivy]

He is beneficent

He is not benevolent

U kno who is jolly and benevolent

They call him the Grandfather

[dire loom]

Heresy!

Emperah not give u enough rashuns?!

[sly ivy]

I am not condoning. I am merely observing to whom our friend likely owes his obeisance in truth.

[opaque coyote]

I think it's implied that it's transferring to a new brain.

[dire loom]

[opaque coyote]

Instead of replacing it

Basically sending the files/memories over from one brain to another

[sly ivy]

He on Terra confers only one form of mercy.

[dire loom]

Sorry, I was just on break. I don't know what y'all are currently talking about.

[opaque coyote]

Of course there's a lot of existential crisis along with it but also

Dog

[sly ivy]

“Nice” is for an age long lost to us

[languid meadow]

Idk fallout brains are weird since you can have conversation with your Brain and it has its own personality and personhood

[dire loom]

Oh, wouldn't that be the 5th chaos tech God? Wasn't there a theory about that? Not malice right?

[languid meadow]

Iirc I don't think Vashtorr is going for godhood right

[sly ivy]

Malice mentioned. Someone get the flamer.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah, that also might be why Rex gets unique perks from transferring brains

[sly ivy]

Bro too damn skinny 2 b a god

[crisp heath]

I saw a meme saying that diddy was just trying to achieve demonhood

[sly ivy]

Eat a burger ffs

[opaque coyote]

Different brain, same "self"

[dire loom]

So if your DOGE went rouge as Cyber Mastiff I say they'd be apart of dark mechanicum plus that 5 chaos God theory that ain't Malice or was it tech version of malice?

Oh y'all talking about Fallout New Vegas dog meat!?! Ohhh lol my bad

[dire loom]

🗣️ Brother, the heavy flamer!

[opaque coyote]

Nah, Malice is a minor warp God

[sly ivy]

Ur a minor warp god

[opaque coyote]

Nah I'm 21

[dire loom]

Oh, a demi one. Gotcha

[crisp heath]

Didn't malice only briefly appear in a comic or something from the 90s

Iirc

[sly ivy]

Yes terrible idea

Rightly buried

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside, you're probably referring to Vashtorr the Arkifane who wants to be the Tech Chaos God.

Right now, he is just a ""mere"" undivided Daemon Prince. The Demi-god of engineers, inventors, scientists, and artisans.

[tough haven]

I serve no avatar of disease, only the master of mankind

[sly ivy]

Vashtorr on the other hand is a fine addition to the narrative but he needs some Black Library work to flesh him out

[crisp heath]

Dark mechanicus has the coolest army that doesn't technically exist on the table top

[sly ivy]

So to speak

[opaque coyote]

The most interesting part is that unlike most of his kind, Vashtorr rarely lies or conceals his true objectives. He establishes explicit contracts with clear terms and conditions.

[dire loom]

Yeah, it was awhile ago since I watched a lore video about that.

I appreciate it.

[tough haven]

The aspect of the savior of mankind, the shephard of his flock, the protector of the righteous!

[opaque coyote]

Doesn't mean he won't fuck you over

It's just that instead of fucking you over by outright lying to you

[dire loom]

🗣️ Based

[tough haven]

What do you mean you couldnt read it, cant you read ancient sumerian?

[crisp heath]

He's a terms and conditions kinda guy

[opaque coyote]

He fucks you over because you didn't read the terms and conditions

[opaque coyote]

Tbf he will actually make it understandable

[dire loom]

Beware of the evil stank demon god!

Burn on sight!

Basically

Gotta clock back in, 2 more hours until I'm off work. Take care y'all!

[sly ivy]

I seriously want more Ecclesiarchy books

[opaque coyote]

But by understandable I mean it would be in the language you're most familiar with.

Doesn't mean that it won't be extremely verbose

Long winded

And boring

[sly ivy]

I would read a Zweil spinoff haha

[crisp heath]

If your one of vashtors subjects what demonic changes would you experience like for eg nurgle get big stinky khorne gets big mad

[sly ivy]

And am #1 Mathieu fan

Certain of the clergy are among the only people in the Imperium who are officially sanctioned to be kind.

[opaque coyote]

Unknown exactly, but mostly technology based

He can also manipulate technology to his will

[crisp heath]

Ah ok I gotta admit vashtor is interesting

[opaque coyote]

He's important due to him making deals

Trades

And also slavery but at this point

It's easier to list off the civilizations that DON'T have slaves in 40k

[opaque coyote]

He is implied to have been there since the Necrons got uhhh

Soul sucked

But he hasn't gotten as powerful as the four due to the fact that he is empowered by smart people

And specifically smart people unlike Tzeentch

[sly ivy]

Tyranids

[opaque coyote]

The weapons are separate organisms used by the tyranids

Therefore slaves

Also GSC

[sly ivy]

Nah it’s well known that tyranids are in fact married to their symbionts

Therefore they’re spouses not slaves

(Tyranids are Mormon)

[plush mason]

more parasites or symbionts as some of them control the bioform they are attached too

[opaque coyote]

Honestly now I want to make a gif where it's a Genestealer making annoying kissing sounds

For shits and giggles

Actually

Actually

Genestealer Valentine cards would be fucking hilarious

[sand fjord]

How big is Grendyl's Retinue/Inquisition Forces? I know he has command of 21st and 53rd Mobian Regiment but now the Arbities??

[late osprey]

Small enough that he has to use Rejects.

Those other units themselves also rely on the Rejects

[plush mason]

he also doesnt directly control the arbities or the 53rd

they are allies of "convenance" and have to work with Grendyl's forces

[misty vector]

How much time do you think has passed within darktide’s story

[plush mason]

no idea

likely not too long though

especially as the Mobian domain is a part of the segmentum solar so the tithe shipments not ariving would be very noticed

and if that was happening for a long time a much greater response would happen than just the marshal sending in some arbitrators

[celest dome]

A year, maybe one and a half

[plush mason]

yeah

[celest dome]

Well we don't even know if all of the forces at the disposal of Grendyl are nearby

But the forces are quite small:

• PDF
• Auric Warband (Melk) -> Mostly destroyed
• Reject Warband
• Moebian 21st
• Wyrmwood Agents
  With allies that work with the Inquisition-Rannick but aren't under it per se
• Moebian 53rd
• Arbites

[plush mason]

havent most of the 21st been wiped out as well?

thats what lead to the rejects being used

[queen laurel]

Honestly I think the only reason we are mostly holding it together is because of the rejects that succeed ie our characters doing their best on sabotaging the enemy

[median star]

also a regiment of elysians

[median star]

most if not all yes

[celest dome]

Aren't the Elysian on another planet/theatre

[median star]

good question

[fleet parcel]

Are arbites above grendyl?

[queen laurel]

nope

[median star]

the high marshal might be in certain aspects but overall not rlly

[celest dome]

The only reason they're acting as big as they are rn is most likely cause Grendyl isn't here, so they can somewhat throw their weight around

[queen laurel]

Yeah still though they at least try to cooperate with us

sending the arbites to sefoni for training

something like that

[sour hornet]

• PDF | Thousands, likely more.
• Auric Warband | Dozens to hundreds?
• Reject Warband | Thousands, likely fluctuates constantly due to input /output.
• Moebian 21st | Regiment strength, compromised by exigent circumstances.
• Wyrmwood Agents | Unknown, but not militarily capable.

Allies:

• Moebian 53rd | Regiment strength, recently arrived.
• Arbites | Precinct strength, 500-1000 at minimum.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly considering how large the 40k timescale is

With 100 years being like

a minute

I unironically like to think that it is actually real time

[plush mason]

well everyone involved in this story is mortal so the time scale cant be too wild

but yeah its been less than an eye blink in the scale of the imperium

[opaque coyote]

I can 100% believe that it took 3 years for the Arbites to finally help us

[plush mason]

same

its anywhere between a year and 3 years imo

[opaque coyote]

As for Grendyl, I generally think he's in a desperate situation.

Again, if people are being picked up from Death Row to fight

That usually means "Holy shit we're running out of people"

I can imagine him with like

15 bottles of amesec behind him

Desperately trying to drown the stress of trying to take back a planet with possibly millions of traitors with basically like

[crisp heath]

It's a very common doctrine to use penal battalions

Kinda Everyone does it they just don't admit doing it

[opaque coyote]

True. But it's also only done if shit is bad enough that it requires it.

[crisp heath]

This is 100% correct

[opaque coyote]

Like Grendyl isn't gonna lose (unless if idk Abaddon suddenly arrives) but they certainly are sweating quite a bit

[crisp heath]

I always thought it was because towards the end of a war there's not many people left so they give prisoners guns

I could be completely wrong tho

Abbadon showing up on atoma would be a problem allright

[opaque coyote]

I mean the reason why a regiment turned traitor is due to basically being sent to a war that they didn't have information about... until they were literally there and up against things that are literally not described.

[crisp heath]

I did not think of it that way

So like they ran into something that corrupted them instead of just like not wanting to fight a loosing battle

[opaque coyote]

Yeah apparently mistreating your soldiers, and literally not even telling them WHAT they're fighting (it's literally only referred to as the "Dark Tide" which implies it's Chaos).

Might cause some thoughts of rebellion.

[crisp heath]

Well damn that's actually COOL AS HECK

So they just think there fighting traitors not demons n stuff

[opaque coyote]

Not even that. They didn't get jackshit

Just fighting some force that threatens their system and the Imperium

[crisp heath]

I guess knowing that stuff exists makes its presence stronger in the warp

[opaque coyote]

And they also weren't allowed to tell anybody.

[crisp heath]

Which is why they snuff anyone who seen anything

[opaque coyote]

So most of the veterans couldn't exactly connect with anybody because well

They can't even tell what they fought

[crisp heath]

Or they get a visit from the gk

Aren't they executed after even seeing demonic presence iirc

Like whole worlds get bombed to keep it secret

[opaque coyote]

After the Fall of Cadia, Chaos Purges were just kinda stopped

Primarily because of two reasons

1. It is literally impossible to ignore the SECOND gigantic screaming tear in the fabric of reality.

2. Because of said gigantic screaming tear, the Imperium was split in half.

Because of this, the Imperium actually stopped purging any random person who mentioned the concept of Chaos.

[crisp heath]

Do u think theres planets on the very edge of imperial space that have been cut off to the imperium for so long they don't know what's going on?

[opaque coyote]

Yup. 100%. I think Atoma is implied to be one of them

Which is probably why they kept up with the whole Dark Tide excuse

[crisp heath]

Ah man that's so cool the more I learn the better this gets

[opaque coyote]

Although tbf the average citizen probably still doesn't know that Chaos exists

[opaque coyote]

Again this trailer is actually interesting in terms of seeing the traitor's perspective

https://youtu.be/24sQfj4kYTQ?si=cR53nkzDe06Azz3U

It is also worth knowing that currently you are fighting two factions

The soldier looking guys with military gear are the Traitor Regiment. The Moebian 21st.

The enemies with rags are actually another cult

The Cult of Admonition

Both fell and worship Nurgle.

Although the Cult is much much more

Excited about it

[crisp heath]

Yeah the cult of admonition and the mobian 6th iirc

[opaque coyote]

Oh wait it's both the Moebian 6th and 21st

Although the 21st are the armored horde enemies

[crisp heath]

I saw a YouTube a while back that told me this

[hasty coral]

Same general thing

Ultimately

[crisp heath]

Darktides enemy's or something like that

[hasty coral]

Soldiers that turned Nurgle

You don’t need to know the specifics just that the corruption runs deeper then you think

How deep is still yet to be seen

[opaque coyote]

Falling to Chaos and being corrupted by Chaos is different.

But ultimately leads to the same fate.

[hasty coral]

But we know the Mobians were being “groomed” to join chaos for a long time

[hasty coral]

The Moebians were the first and then the second

There were some mutations and diseases first

But the bucket tipped when the massacre happened

[crisp heath]

Maybe the mobians fought the cult and the cult corrupted them?

[opaque coyote]

Who knows

[hasty coral]

A good question

We don’t know

We know they were fighting SOMEONE on the death world

Never said exactly WHO

[crisp heath]

Some sorta fuckery going on behind the scenes

[hasty coral]

But the clear presence of Nurgle on the death world implies it was some Nurgle based force or at least supported force

[hasty coral]

Correct

The corruption runs deep

[crisp heath]

Could have even been a death gaurd warnand

[hasty coral]

The Moebian’s fall was planned

[hasty coral]

Probably not

[celest dome]

The cult was already on Tertium and likely made it so the Moebian 6th were sent to Nox Alpha and had some ties with them already

[hasty coral]

It’s not a coincidence that the death world they were sent to had Nurgle influence

Nor that there were preachers there to influence Wolfer

[opaque coyote]

Considering that they were sent to a world that was in eternal night, with little rations, "mysterious" incurable diseases, and casualties in the thousands

I can believe it

[hasty coral]

Exactly

[celest dome]

The 6th we're on Tertium and did a parade right before going to Nox.

[hasty coral]

We don’t know HOW this happened

Just that clearly

[crisp heath]

We know it happened tho

[hasty coral]

It was linked

[crisp heath]

Ah thats cool theres so much depth to this game its crazy

[hasty coral]

The main mysteries right now are

“Who are the three?”
“And how high does the corruption go?”

[crisp heath]

The three??

[hasty coral]

Forget the title

But it’s the three leader’s of Admonition

[crisp heath]

Ohh

[hasty coral]

“The three must meet”

Ending dialogue of the ritual mission

[opaque coyote]

Disappointed that there isn't seven (Nurgle's number)

[hasty coral]

When you thwart the ritual

[celest dome]

We only have the name of 1. Urmal or something

[hasty coral]

There might have been

Yeah

[celest dome]

3 is also a major number for Nurgle

[hasty coral]

The woman

A guy (people speculate related to the wyrmwood comms)

And one more

[crisp heath]

3 is mocking the trinity

[opaque coyote]

True. His symbol does have 3 parts

[hasty coral]

Urmal is the women I think

Anyways

[crisp heath]

It's number is always in satanic books ect ect

[hasty coral]

Wolfer is scared shitless of them

[celest dome]

Quite possibly.
There might also be a Rogue Biologis Magos that could be the 3rd ond

[hasty coral]

Yep

[crisp heath]

I dont know if warhammer has catholic tones tho lol

[hasty coral]

Another theory I’ve heard

[opaque coyote]

Also

Slaanesh's number is 6.

Khorne's is 8.

And Tzeentch is 9.

[hasty coral]

I…..

He’s kidding right?

[opaque coyote]

...my guy just look around the ship

[crisp heath]

8 bound of khorne

[hasty coral]

I’m going to ASSUME that’s ironic

For my sanity

Anyways Wolfer probably isn’t super long for this world

[crisp heath]

Maybe it was maybe it was a genuine question 🤔

[hasty coral]

The three are sick of his and his force’s ineptitude

(Unlucky they are facing 4 plot armored schizophrenics)

💀

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside, I personally don't see the trinity connection.

[hasty coral]

It’s just 3

[storm jungle]

Its vibes are more islamic.

[hasty coral]

Is one of Nurgle’s number

[storm jungle]

🫡

[opaque coyote]

Probably is just 3 because Nurgle number and also because well

We also love repeating three a lot

There's a reason why there's a trope called the rule of three

I have no idea why we have such an obsession with it biologically

But we do

[hasty coral]

?

We don’t have three of anything

Unless you have three toes for some reason

[opaque coyote]

And yet we repeat it a lot in media

It's a weird quirk

[crisp heath]

I dont get the whole thing w 47

[storm jungle]

Its because 3 is a very Three acts in a story, three beats in a joke, three quatrains in a sonnet, three stacked thirds making up a major triad, the rule of thirds, the Holy Trinity. There are a lot of threes in human culture.

[crisp heath]

I think it's to do w astrology or something

47 not 3

[storm jungle]

One of the reasons is its probably the lowest number that you associate with "many"

It's also the largest number that most humans can reliably subitize

[hasty coral]

This sounds like autism stretched out over millennia

[storm jungle]

It really isnt

the human brain is more associative with these than you think knucklehead

[hasty coral]

The only thing I remember from history is that the Vikings could write one hell of a fanfiction

[storm jungle]

"vikings", you mean like every civilization in existence

anyway

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subitizing

its an entire thing

so its not like this is made up shit

humans love making stuff into patterns

[shadow plover]

dilara literally made up this wiki article half an hour ago

[crisp heath]

I was just going to say something about patterns

[shadow plover]

I saw her do it

[hasty coral]

Tbf Greek mythology is pretty tame in comparison to Norse mythology

[crisp heath]

Norse mythology is not something I'd tell my kids about

[queen laurel]

unfortunately loki had an idea

[hasty coral]

The horse incident

💀

[opaque coyote]

I suppose the reason why Khorne is 8 is because

1. Their followers pursue the "eightfold" path. Which is a parody of Buddhism's eightfold path.

2. Bloodshed is infinite. There is no end to violence. It will always happen. From the moment you get angry enough to have the urge to hurt. Khorne grows just a little bit stronger.

[storm jungle]

Possibly.

[hasty coral]

GW likes mythology

A LOT

Well ok

[storm jungle]

I wouldnt really say that

greek myth has some real wild shit

even if half of it is zeus sticking his cock into stuff

which is pretty realistic honestly

[crisp heath]

Greeks are pretty on par w Norse with the whole thing of forcing yourself on others

[hasty coral]

Didn’t he impregnate a woman as a fucking shower?

[queen laurel]

unfortunately zeus was on demon time

[storm jungle]

What didnt he impregnate.

[crisp heath]

I like aboriginal myth and legend

[opaque coyote]

Also 6 for Slaanesh is ironic.

Because the reason why 6 is the devil's number is because 7 is designated as a holy number.

Just one away from perfection.

Slaanesh is partially about the pursuit of perfection and bettering yourself. To the point where you would do anything to go further.

But you will never reach perfection. You will always pursue it, but never reach it. For it is an endless horizon.

Also it sounds like sex. Laugh. Laugh now.

[crisp heath]

The story about how the turtle has a cracked shell

[hasty coral]

Hey at LEAST his partners were generally human

I’m looking at you Loki

And Set

We know what you did to that lettuce

[opaque coyote]

I mean...

[hasty coral]

Ok well technically Ra put it there

[opaque coyote]

He often turned into one

[hasty coral]

Ok fine he turned into a goose once

[opaque coyote]

And a cow

[hasty coral]

“The writer’s barely disguised fetish”

[opaque coyote]

I also found the Minotaur's story to be fucking hilarious

At least the origin of it

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it is theorized that the reason why Zeus uhhh

Has both a body count and "body count" is primarily because most kings justify their rule by being the son of what's basically the #1 God.

And then a lot of kings claimed that.

[crisp heath]

Isn't roman mythology just a copy paste of Greeces

[opaque coyote]

Also Kings are well known for

Not being that loyal

[hasty coral]

Kind of

They had some new stuff but yeah

Most of it is just

[opaque coyote]

A lot of Roman stuff in general was taken from other cultures

[hasty coral]

Greek mythology with different names

[opaque coyote]

Just made better.

Usually anyways...

[hasty coral]

The Romans weren’t original

Just successful

[crisp heath]

Romans on some British empire timing

[hasty coral]

Correct

[opaque coyote]

At least they made Pizza.

[hasty coral]

Where do you think the British got it from?

[crisp heath]

Hey we have better tech than half the world...
Let's invade.

[hasty coral]

Where do you think a certain mustached man got his idea of a Third Reich from?

[opaque coyote]

Tbf not even that at a lot of points

[hasty coral]

The Roman’s succeeded

[opaque coyote]

They just had some balls

[hasty coral]

That counts for a LOT when it comes to future nations trying to be as successful

[crisp heath]

The brits had the boats

Without the boats they wouldn't have gotten no where near as far

[opaque coyote]

Like when they were against Carthage they never really uh

Knew how to build boats

And also got their entire fleet destroyed by a storm

Twice

[hasty coral]

Anyways

[opaque coyote]

But they somehow kept on going out of sheer spite

[hasty coral]

Does anyone else think GW has kinda run out of game ideas?

Or is like too scared to make big investments on new stuff?

[crisp heath]

I wonder if Carthage was actually how the romans portray it as ... were they really burning children

[hasty coral]

Like it feels like they saw Darktide, Space Marine, and Mechanicus do well and just

Kinda ran with that

[opaque coyote]

I mean I don't think they've ran out.

It's just that

Most of their games beforehand fucking sucked ass

[hasty coral]

And Rogue Trader but that was a remake/game version

[hasty coral]

They are still pumping out new stuff but it feels like they never get any long term support

[crisp heath]

Dawn of war was fun

[shadow plover]

GW doesn't make their video games, they just give the IP to anyone who's willing to make one on their terms

[opaque coyote]

True but that might be because this is the first time ever since Dawn of War where they actually released successful ones.

[hasty coral]

This is what I’m trying to get at

[opaque coyote]

SM1 was fun but it only really got a cult following

[hasty coral]

Do they not realize this hurts them

People don’t associate GW games with quality a lot of the time

[opaque coyote]

Too busy sniffing paint.

[crisp heath]

Do u guys remember how in sm2 there was the problem w the leg armour 💀

[opaque coyote]

[shadow plover]

No it doesn't hurt them, everything the video game market comes up with is a plus to them because they don't pay anything to develop these

[hasty coral]

They don’t?!

[crisp heath]

The amount of back and forwards that happened there over that was ridiculous

[opaque coyote]

Again they contract developers and they just sit back and rake in some of the cash

[shadow plover]

No, as I said, they just give rights to the IP and the other studios make the games

[opaque coyote]

Publishing moment

[hasty coral]

Damn that

Explains a LOT

[opaque coyote]

Game development moment

[hasty coral]

That is pretty profitable

[opaque coyote]

[hasty coral]

Ngl

As much as it sucks

Quality wise

But that is legit free cash

[opaque coyote]

And now you know the mindset on why a lot of games suck

[crisp heath]

Gw is greed personified

[opaque coyote]

Just look at how much studios EA has buried due to their practices

And they're still trucking along

[hasty coral]

Tbf it is an insanely good business move

Again as much as I PERSONALLY hate it

I can’t lie

It’s an insanely good business idea

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah hard out Especially when you take into consideration how much they make :KEKW_OGRYN and then how little it costs to print there sprees

Sprues*

[hasty coral]

If something goes bad? What do they care they had no risk

If it pays off? Cha CHING

[opaque coyote]

Luckily it seems that they are actually supporting the games some more

[hasty coral]

That is something they slouched on before yes

[crisp heath]

Look how much the codex goes for , you need that book they know it yet they do this to us

[shadow plover]

they've taken a lot more active role in their development yeah, which is a boon and a curse

[hasty coral]

Shit like Darktide should be a venture GW wants to look towards

[opaque coyote]

On one hand, actual active support.

On the other hand, the chances of actually getting a Xenos game is probably 0

[hasty coral]

I just hate that miniatures are so profitable

[crisp heath]

And now apparently they don't even want you to build or paint your minis in there shops anymore

[hasty coral]

PRAISE BE MECHANICUS 2

NECRON CAMPAIGN YIPEEEEEEEE

[shadow plover]

pretty much, and proper advertisement through their channels

[hasty coral]

https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038

[crisp heath]

It's not profitable for them

[opaque coyote]

I genuinely wish that they would remake 40k Fire Warrior.

It was a cool idea

Just

Executed like ass

[hasty coral]

Nobody fucking likes the tau

I’m sorry

It’s true

[opaque coyote]

I do

[storm jungle]

A lot of people do

[crisp heath]

I started collecting them as my first army lmao

[hasty coral]

Bro

[storm jungle]

faction tribalism is braindead

stop doing it

lmao

[hasty coral]

Necrons are RIGHT THERE

Smh choosing any faction over funny robot skeletons

[opaque coyote]

Do they have gundams though?

[hasty coral]

I joke of course

[opaque coyote]

Check mate

[hasty coral]

In the shape of pyramids

[crisp heath]

Mech suit samurai anime people heck yeah , they used to be bloody op too

You could Table someone just by shooting

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside I think a game with any perspective outside of Space Marines would be nice.

It's why Iike Darktide

[hasty coral]

Fuck Space Marines

[storm jungle]

Well they do have
scarabs

[opaque coyote]

Actually. Fuck it. Even just playing as a Chaos Space Marines would be cool

I actually liked 40k Boltgun

And I always thought that

"God damn a sequel game where you play as a Khornate Berserker would be sick"

[hasty coral]

Remember the last game with playable Death Guard?

Yeah neither do I

[crisp heath]

Boltgun was good

[shadow plover]

Dawn of War 2

[hasty coral]

Yeah like

2 units

💀

[shadow plover]

still playable

[opaque coyote]

Just was repetitive at times

[crisp heath]

Dow2 unification mod goes insane

[storm jungle]

Extremely mid yeah

[opaque coyote]

"Oh boy another Lord of Change!"

[crisp heath]

I was very bad at it lol

[hasty coral]

It’s ok Mechanicus 2 is giving us more interesting non Space Marine faction gameplay

[opaque coyote]

I think the general gameplay was good

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/blahaj-shonk-attack-camera-dive-shark-gif-14344361424253681658

[opaque coyote]

It's just that holy shit they could have definitely used some more enemy variety

[hasty coral]

Seriously where tf is a Eldar rpg?

[opaque coyote]

Blahaj

You have betrayed me

[wintry scarab]

Is the new darktide update out btw?

[hasty coral]

4 hours

[opaque coyote]

I"m going to sleep

[sacred ginkgo]

Patch is out
Arbites isn’t

[opaque coyote]

Have a good night

[hasty coral]

3 hours 39 minutes now

[astral burrow]

Is anyone else's discord bugging out on mobile

[opaque coyote]

Gentlemen

Gentlewomen

And Gentlethems.

[astral burrow]

I can't switch between dms

Until I reset the app

[crisp heath]

Nitey night 🌙

[opaque coyote]

🛌🏻

[crisp heath]

Disc in general does this

[astral burrow]

I will try downgrading the version

[crisp heath]

Restarting the app / phone tends to help me when it's playing up

[median star]

the slop shop dividends have payed off immensely

[astral burrow]

Gotta do it all the time

[astral burrow]

Couldn't, lmao

[rocky gale]

Poor sods

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

sad sight

[astral burrow]

Why?

[crisp heath]

Pretty much every other gk box has more value I'm pretty sure

[storm jungle]

havent been updated in years

[crisp heath]

Oh lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

look at the difference between these two models

[astral burrow]

Bro is his son or smth

Baby

[crisp heath]

Oh damn that marine is ancient

[storm jungle]

yeah its a dwarf marine

actually let me check the dates of these minis on the lexicanum

[astral burrow]

Is that an actual thing

[storm jungle]

no lol

[astral burrow]

Or is it just art style thing

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s old scale tacticals

[storm jungle]

^

miniature tech restrictions

[sacred ginkgo]

From before Primaris existed

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures:_Grey_Knights

Check here

[sacred ginkgo]

Everyone was shorter

[storm jungle]

these minis are from 2011

one year before the world ended

[astral burrow]

And they mix them up now?

Bruh

[sacred ginkgo]

No they just can’t be assed to make new grey knight generic marines

[storm jungle]

^

also because GK dont use generic marine molds

they got special stuff

like the runes, markings, etc

[sacred ginkgo]

You’re one upgrade sprue away from being a psyker

[rocky gale]

And another model for Black Templars

Space marine bias at its finest

[rose thorn]

They made the GK CB bad to buy multiple times

[rocky gale]

Probably on purpose because they know all those models are getting replaced like next year

[rose thorn]

Fair

[rocky gale]

Except Crowe

[limpid granite]

Where is the wall of text

[rose thorn]

How it feels waiting for AOS news rn

[crisp heath]

So much kitbashing potential

[storm jungle]

I was gonna say yeah

that model looks very good for kitbashing

[rocky gale]

Ye I will probably get one and he will not be a black templar

[rose thorn]

I was about to say “at least he won’t be getting unique rules since it’s just a chaplin”

It’s an execrator

[rocky gale]

Ye not a chaplain

[rose thorn]

What’s, the difference?

[rocky gale]

[tough haven]

Dave emperor of plantkind

[storm jungle]

No way...

[rose thorn]

BT got more units then WE, DG, 1K sons, GSC, and GKs

This edition so far

I’m blanking on other factions

[storm jungle]

BTs got that extra genefluid $$$

[rose thorn]

I’d rather they dissolved GKs for an edition at this point into imperial agents and just keep the characters in imperial agents

[rocky gale]

Sisters got the Janoness and a limited black library models that got put into Legends on release

[rose thorn]

Yeha they also got the KT

[rocky gale]

Oh Sanctifiers?

But we need more

https://tenor.com/view/the-menu-hungry-gif-27555393

[shadow plover]

Imma bet it's a type of chaplain, or a chaplain rank like the Judiciar

[queen laurel]

shit

here we go

[rose thorn]

I skimmed it

It literally says nothing

There’s like 2 numbers in the whole post

Sorry 3

[tough haven]

Answer: “We don’t know either lol”

[languid meadow]

I hope they never give a concrete answer so sweaty nerds fight over it for decades to come

[hallow saddle]

I hope they delete Horus Heresy

It's cooked. Time to get rid of it.

[shadow plover]

it's a great game though

[spring cairn]

Space marine legions are this big

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/bonnie-fnaf-movie-blumhouse-bonnie-the-bunny-rabbit-gif-7289689684175400256

[winter vessel]

I've decided to name my Cyber-mastiff...Waffles