40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

I will ask you again GW, what were you cooking with beastmen in AoS

you had the chance to actually make them interesting

you just didn't

[winter vessel]

As a dog owner this warms my heart and makes me laugh

[copper patrol]

honestly remove them from chaos and make them thier own thing

[opaque coyote]

real

[copper patrol]

they get abused so hard by the chaos gods why they stay is a mystery to me

other then magical bullshit

[opaque coyote]

literally because they were made by chaos

they literally cannot "move away" from them

[arctic talon]

^

[opaque coyote]

because it's against their very nature

[arctic talon]

they're inherently chaotic beings in AoS and WHFB

[opaque coyote]

It's like a codependant relationship

[arctic talon]

now if they retcon the weird flesh mutated beastmen out of chaos

sure

god please just make them not the murderous rampaging horde of kill murder death who will do horrible things to you

[snow fern]

Chaos is a chain that cannot be broken, and beastmen are shackled even before birth

[copper patrol]

maybe that's why they are so fucked up, they literally can't get out of an abusive relationship

[arctic talon]

its so fucking boring

just lean into it

if you're going to keep it

[opaque coyote]

I mean

The Skaven are already that

To begin with

[arctic talon]

yes

[opaque coyote]

and at least they're fucking hilarious

[arctic talon]

they also don't

rhymes with grape you

they just kill and torture you

[snow fern]

I don’t mind always evil kill on sight, but Beastmen arent half as interesting as Skaven are

[arctic talon]

Yeah I don't mind that

[copper patrol]

Skaven are generally pretty well done as an inherently evil race

[arctic talon]

the issue is that GW tried to write

a fucking moral conundrum for beastmen

like "oh no its just how they live"

[opaque coyote]

Again, evil races are fine, just make them interesting.

Frieren's Demons are also an evil race that I genuinely find fascinating

[arctic talon]

Like

[opaque coyote]

Due to how different they are psychologically and how the anime actually explores it

[arctic talon]

I'm sorry you are the same person who wrote how they literally brutally murder anyone in their beast clans

[opaque coyote]

They're basically sociopathic by nature.

[arctic talon]

for stepping out of line

[copper patrol]

skaven are also like this

[arctic talon]

so what the fuck do you want me to think

that beastmen can actually change

or that all the beastmen who try to change get horrifically murdered

by their own clans

[copper patrol]

I don;t think GW knows at this point

[opaque coyote]

the worst part is that is actually interesting.

[arctic talon]

It is

[opaque coyote]

The problem is that well they don't focus on that much either

[arctic talon]

I'd rather them present that as the internal issue

and not have any external moral issue

which is maybe order and chaos shouldn't murder them on sight after centuries of the beastmen murdering them on sight

[copper patrol]

you know you fucked up when you write a faction in a way they are on sight, by people on the same team

[opaque coyote]

like on a basic level

[arctic talon]

Tbf that was intentional even back then

[opaque coyote]

if a certain group of people attack you

consistently

always

[arctic talon]

beastmen were the generic evil bad guy faction

in WHFB

[opaque coyote]

you will start attacking them first

[arctic talon]

anyways rip beastmen in AoS

they finally got to do something

and then got removed as an army

[copper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[arctic talon]

and then they got genocided that same edition

[opaque coyote]

hopefully they get recreated or something into an actually decent faction

[arctic talon]

yet another everchosen W

[copper patrol]

shout out to the BIg A, the everchosen

actualy fucking won

[opaque coyote]

IDK if you had to add them back.

Their essences were recaptured and recreated into a different but similar looking race

or something idk

I'm not familiar with AOS

[arctic talon]

unironically archaon is so fucking funny

in AoS

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

there's so many rumors about him

and he just lets them yap about them

and he occasinally pushes for one to be more true

just for the fucking bit

[copper patrol]

didn't he get one of his statues get replaced with a poop statues one time

[arctic talon]

yes

nurgle moment

[opaque coyote]

honestly atp I would fucking laugh

I wouldn't even be mad

[sly ivy]

…. Wat

[copper patrol]

it was Orruks

[opaque coyote]

like you put in the effort

[copper patrol]

he was not happy to say the least

[opaque coyote]

to fucking build a statue made out of shit

of me?

10/10

[sly ivy]

Yes underappreciated character

[copper patrol]

oh no it wasn't of him I don't think

[arctic talon]

no they just destroyed one of his statues

and replaced it

[copper patrol]

the orruks made an effigy of gorkamorka or something out of poop after knock it down

[opaque coyote]

100/10

even better

[copper patrol]

the only thing i'll give aos legitimate shit for, is the names of certain things

[arctic talon]

Oruuks sucks as a name

thats the only one I dislike

tbh

Aelf is fine, its just an old way to say elf

duradin is also fine

[copper patrol]

so many names of things are like very clearly just trademarkable versions of what they where

[arctic talon]

Oruuk is

so fucking bad

lol

Grots is fine

[copper patrol]

it's mainly oruuk and ogors that get me

[arctic talon]

Ogors isn't great either yeah

[copper patrol]

the "ossiarch bonereapers" is also a GW classic

the "boney bone guys"

who are guess what

made out of bones

love the faction though outside that

[arctic talon]

The name is so fucking goofy

I love it

[copper patrol]

with mr "is that a tibia in your pocket or are you just happy to see me" katakros

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

he did that to himself

[copper patrol]

it's peak, i'm afraid 😔

[arctic talon]

least psychopathic arbite

[copper patrol]

and mine also

[sly ivy]

Ah yes the Silent King who should have been

[rose thorn]

BONE COD PIECE MEnTION!!!

[rocky gale]

After finishing Outgunned I have devised a cunning plan to fix Imperial Agents

In Plastic

[arctic talon]

does it involve making Shard a mini

[rocky gale]

That too

[arctic talon]

I'm surprised more people haven't read Outgunned tbh

its very good

[rocky gale]

Basically a detachment where you take a bunch of planes, can assign Shard to be the pilot of any of them and she can be chosen as Warlord. Once it gets shot down she become a character model

[arctic talon]

that would be cool

[rocky gale]

So you have like maybe one or two squads of the Agents models, like Arbites or whatever and your main force is your air support

[rocky gale]

It's now my favourite Warhammer book

[storm jungle]

Now you gotta read the Shorts

[rocky gale]

I did

[storm jungle]

THEN Above and Beyond

[rocky gale]

Read all the shorts immediately after finishing Outgunned

[storm jungle]

Where did you get em from

[rocky gale]

Who knows

[storm jungle]

But yeah Above is peak

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

one of my favorite 40k books i think

[arctic talon]

I like above and beyond more then outgunned

tbh

[storm jungle]

To be fair

Outgunned is like the "safe" and good first movie

Above is like the sequel that surpasses the original flick

lol

[arctic talon]

she's my favorite massive bitch™ of the imperium in 40k

[storm jungle]

her cunty demeanor is also very realistic

especially when you learn more of Shard in Book 2

[rocky gale]

It wasn't until reading Own Worst Enemy that I decided to google what her ships name meant

[storm jungle]

And?

[rocky gale]

Very curious

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

Basically Latin for "Lying Aunt"

So now I'm very curious about what they talked about at the funeral

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Okay thats funny, i was expecting like a really generic name like "The Red Griffin"

[storm jungle]

What was the funeral again, remind me

[rocky gale]

Her mothers second funeral, it's the last time the family was all together, Simlex keeps talking to her siblings and they all mention about Lucille talking with her aunt rather than them

[storm jungle]

Ah right, i think they explore that in Above, not sure

[rocky gale]

I hope so

[storm jungle]

hold on lemme CTRL + F the book

No aunt mentioned guh

though good news yo uget more of her family in Above lol

I do also like how in this book she half-suspects iirc that her entire background/upbringing might be fabricated for propaganda

since like every one of her siblings serve one arm of the Imperial bureaus

[rocky gale]

She mentions that in the first one too

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

[arctic talon]

actually maybe I should be happy outgunned isn't more popular

r/grimdank

[rocky gale]

She says something like "It makes for a great story, if it didn't exist naturally you'd create it"

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah shes extremely fatalistic about it

[storm jungle]

They'd turn her into another Lotara

[arctic talon]

worse prolly

[storm jungle]

shes got half the screentime she has because her popularity made her blew up lol

down to having a fucking mini

which is hilarious

[arctic talon]

got a mini(for some reason)

she literally is never on the ground

[storm jungle]

GW knows

[arctic talon]

why is that even a thing

[storm jungle]

$$$

[arctic talon]

I know why

and I hate it

people aren't even going to buy it probably

because she's resin

[rocky gale]

Too late

[arctic talon]

fucks sake

[storm jungle]

AUGH

[arctic talon]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[storm jungle]

Also lmfao

Simlex's servoskulls

that is funny

[sharp pollen]

what is outgunned

[storm jungle]

Its a novel

[rocky gale]

I love those little guys

[arctic talon]

oh my god thats meant to be simlex lol

[sharp pollen]

about flying girl?

[storm jungle]

"I LOST ONE OF MY SKULLS, WE NEED TO GO BACK!"

"Huh? What?"

[arctic talon]

about a propagandist mostly

[sharp pollen]

good one?

[arctic talon]

and also an aeronatuica pilot

Simlex is good at his job yes

in terms of morality I'd consider simlex good by the imperiums standards

lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah Kile is legit a good person

which is hilarious considering his job

lol

[arctic talon]

Propaganda slop farm

"okay simlex I love the cinemtography, now ruin it with this generic vfx"

[rocky gale]

"Use your skulls scan thing"

"I can't do that, this is Kiwikar"

"The fuck's a Kiwikar?"

[sharp pollen]

i actually should not asking for more novels to real, i already have plenty books bought khem khem

[storm jungle]

mood honestly

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

that part legit pissed me off

that means the author did her job lol

[rocky gale]

The fact he always has the wrong skull for what Lucille wants in that moment

[storm jungle]

DUDE YES

And the very realistic crashout

where he literally tells her she didnt even ask for what fucking skull she wanted

and shes like "So fucking what?"

[arctic talon]

is flowers a woman?

Lol

god

[storm jungle]

Same thing, 2 arms 2 legs

[rocky gale]

Na

[storm jungle]

"Can we fly back?"

"No you fucking idiot"

[arctic talon]

Shard and Simlex's personalities go together like oil and water

which is great

[storm jungle]

ikr

again, legit one of my fav 40k duo-books

zero space marines

just people being people

its such a rare thing

it also doesnt glorify the Imperium and makes it clear they are awful people lol

"haha heheo me and my guardsman friends liberating this planet from evil generic chaos cultists!"

[rocky gale]

"How long have you had those orders?"

"What year is it?"

It borders on House and Wilson at times

Also this is the author

[storm jungle]

Close enough

[arctic talon]

here's a joke question

is Raithe from Assasinorum Kingmaker Rath's self insert

[storm jungle]

Probably lmao

hes a pretty sensible lad

[arctic talon]

including the extreme stubbornness and comical levels of social ineptude? lol

based

[storm jungle]

Exactly

dastardly

[opaque coyote]

So do chaos computer viruses exist

More importantly how does Chaos "infect" technology

[raven stone]

Pretty much yes.
Scrap code.

Think of it as sentient “smart” virus that can evolve itself to overcome software defences and knows how to inflict maximum damage once it infects a software system.

For example, turning off the oxygen supply on a spaceship!

Or disabling a Gellar field whilst a ship is in the warp!

[opaque coyote]

The Lexicanum mentions how it's the machine equivalent to the Dark Tongue

Essentially only a language that daemons and sorcerers speak

And even then any mortal that tries it slowly gets corrupted and doesn't fully understand it

[opaque coyote]

So I wonder if both are kinda similar to like...

Okay

You know the Mandela Catalogue?

In the series, the Alternates/Demons whisper knowledge that's so poisonous to you that you're immediately driven to suicide.

I kinda imagine Scrap Code and the Dark Tongue like that

Like whatever they whisper immediately puts you on the side of Chaos

[raven stone]

Heard of it, roughly…it…works closely enough.
There is an analogue horror from elsewhere that I feel captures how scrapcode corrupts Machine Sporits though.
Let me see if I can find it again…

[polar hill]

Scrap code is a specific kind of corruption

Apart from that, Chaos corrupts technology by virtue of technology being a Thing and Chaos corruption affecting Literally Everything

If something exists, physically or conceptually, Chaos can corrupt it and pervert it through overt or gradual memetic means

[raven stone]

@opaque coyote this is only part of a series, but since our main focus is on “what a Scrapcode Corrupted Machine Spirit” is like, this is about as close as it can get.

https://youtu.be/KwOoaO9I4tQ?feature=shared

[opaque coyote]

Oh shit vintage 8

Nice

[opaque coyote]

I kinda imagined Nurgle corrupting an AI.

Basically the AI wants to save it's crew

Preventing them from dying. To be alive. To be safe. To be happy.

They die either from the planet being a hellscape, a mysterious infection (guess who?), or both

With the AI accepting any type of help

It makes a deal with Nurgle and gets corrupted from the knowledge Nurgle gives it

[raven stone]

You know, even though the character is not an AI
You can definitely reference Franken Fran
For a character that doesn’t understand suffering under living at all cost.

[opaque coyote]

Basically becoming obsessed with taking care of the now Zombie crew.

[opaque coyote]

I should search that up. But the tragedy is that the AI unconditionally cares about the crew.

To the point where when they all died, it was emotionally crushed

It failed both it's purpose, and lost its friends.

And it knows deep down that what it did wasn't the right thing

But due to the Chaos Juice + the good old classic "Sunk Cost Fallacy"

It continues to take care of them. Even though they're still begging for death.

Contrary to most Nurgle things. I'm thinking of the ship actually looking pristine

With only the AI area being properly "Nurgle"

[storm jungle]

Basically any kind of chaos corruption can exist.

Its to allow writers ot just write whatever they want for stories

its like how the Alpha Legion want to infect the raven guard geneseed for example right and they are like

"Hey so i got a chemical poison mixed with daemon blood because of course I do lol lmao"

[opaque coyote]

Also my personal headcanon for Navigators is that

In the DAoT era, the navigated mainly via AI. Since the warp was calmer and quantum computing could probably grasp how to navigate easily.

But Navigators were "made" as backup/extra help

Like the AI goes down? Navigator can do emergency navigation

Which is why Navigators are few enough to need to start doing uh

incest

They weren't ever meant to be permanent

Just the "backup" so to speak

The emergency map and compass in case the GPS goes down

Then the age of strife happened and suddenly they were a lot more important

[crystal forum]

holy shit the ship gun sound effects in andor S1e11 make me want to climax

[storm jungle]

The sound design in andor is fucking SEX incarnate

[vagrant fox]

Star Wars has always had excellent sound design if nothing else

[paper haven]

How is Andor? I dropped Star Wars a long time ago.

[vagrant fox]

Very good
First time I'd felt positive about Star Wars in a long time

[astral burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/syril-syril-karn-karn-andor-star-wars-gif-4656947529395886611

[storm jungle]

EXTREMELY fucking good.

It has taken most people temporarily out of their star wars coma.

[astral burrow]

SEX incarnate

[storm jungle]

its that fucking great

[paper haven]

Uh huh

[storm jungle]

You legit are missing out if you dont watch it

[storm jungle]

its pretty much universally praised

[astral burrow]

Just some of the best moments

[paper haven]

Welp, I'll check it out

[storm jungle]

S1 starts slow but gets good

if you want a realistic star wars you will love Andor

no magic bullshit, no big space battles

just gritty rebellion stuff

[astral burrow]

Can't forget the essential

[paper haven]

Yeah no I straight up filtered Andor

[astral burrow]

No, context doesn't make it any better

[paper haven]

Zero consideration

[storm jungle]

Yeah so did I when it got released, a lot of people were like:

"A show about fucking Cassian Andor? Lmao"

ironically it ended up being the best one

[paper haven]

Typical

[astral burrow]

A spin off about a side character from a prequel

[storm jungle]

^

A character nobody also cared about in rogue one

[astral burrow]

Pao should have gotten a showx

And make the show name his whole name

[paper haven]

Mandalorian (season 1) gave me hope but then season 2 happened and. Well.

[astral burrow]

Would y'all watch the Paodok'Draba'Takat Sap'De'Rekti Nik'Linke'Ti' Ki'Vef'Nik'NeSevef'Li'Kek show

[paper haven]

I consider season 3 to just be a different show altogether

[vagrant fox]

Yea, I'd long given up on Star Wars as the great fumbled franchise but Andor is very good

[astral burrow]

Andor only has 2 seasons and they both cooked

They are both amazing in different ways

[paper haven]

Mandalorian, I mean

[astral burrow]

Prison arc in season one alone carries Disney star wars

[astral burrow]

I know

Don't worry about that with andor

[paper haven]

That's the last time I gave any attention to Star Wars

[astral burrow]

I don't think andor has a single episode with an IMDB rating lower than 8.5

Majority are 9+

[paper haven]

Hmmm. Alright, alright

I'll check it out

[storm jungle]

Yeah dont worry Andor has none of that.

No big names, no big larger universe stuff, just boots on the ground espionage peak.

The show ended a few months ago on S2 (it ends right where Rogue One starts) and everyone was like "Enjoy the last greatest star wars show we are ever gonna get boys and girls"

[vagrant fox]

I just wanted the Mandalorian to be Samurai Jack with the new baddie of the week but that fuckass baby needed to exist

[astral burrow]

Some are 7 it seems

Yeah season 1 started meh

I legit got sleepy and stopped watching, then picked it back up months later

[paper haven]

I hate the buzz word that boots on the ground has become.

[astral burrow]

Aldhani onwards is absolute peak

Season 2 last 5 episodes, all 9+

Cooked so hard

[paper haven]

What, you mean you don't love adorable marketing advertisement?

[astral burrow]

Who are you is the highest rated episode in the entire series

For a good reason

[astral burrow]

Well you better enjoy it cuz it is the first movie they are making since fucking rise of Skywalker

[paper haven]

Those are some pretty high numbers. I might actually go in expecting something good

[astral burrow]

Yes there hasn't been a single star wars movie since rise of Skywalker, and they are coming back with "Glup shitto and zoinkles"

[storm jungle]

It literally is so Im sorry

[vagrant fox]

I love when you have a story and because it's Star War Luke and Ahsoka have to get involved for no reason

[storm jungle]

^

[astral burrow]

They are literally engineered to be marketable losers

[storm jungle]

I call that the Space Marine effect

Jedi are exactly like that

let us have a fucking story about normal people lol

[paper haven]

I know, I believe you meant it earnestly

[astral burrow]

Nah it is just Dave filoni wanting his stupid OCs to be in every fucking thing

The day ahsoka dies I will be happy, but the he will just put her in more prequel content

Enough with the togruta!

[storm jungle]

Yeah so thats 40k

[paper haven]

Star wars needs Jedi reee

[storm jungle]

If it helps uhh

[astral burrow]

I fucking hate the Jedi

[storm jungle]

EP1 literally starts n a brothel lol

[astral burrow]

I love the wars, not the stars

[storm jungle]

and Andor murders 2 people

thats all im gonna say

[paper haven]

It does help

[storm jungle]

if that isnt gritty star wars i dont know what is

[astral burrow]

And then it is a snoozefest until the aldhani episode

[storm jungle]

Nah its great

your attention span just needs jangling keys

Saw Guerra ahh

[astral burrow]

After the double murder it gets quite slow and boring

[paper haven]

So, basically high point, then a drop, then a slow rise?

[astral burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/andor-saw-gerrera-crazy-i-am-crazy-star-wars-crazy-gif-4578083233542508699

[paper haven]

In media res bullshit

[vagrant fox]

Saw Guerra warcrimes show when 🙏

[astral burrow]

Mid point, a slow steady run, absolute fucking peak until the end

[astral burrow]

He will just do a random war crime in every content

[storm jungle]

Said slow burn is mostly to set up characters, if you like that stuff you'll enjoy the first few episodes.

[astral burrow]

There are 2 sides to the rebellion
"Don't take sleeping drugs, Bix, they will hurt you"
"HUFF THE GAS FUMES BOY, BECOME THE FUEL"

[paper haven]

I can give a show a few episodes to establish itself. I'm not gonna eviscerate it two episodes in. Hell, I gave Cowboy Bebop five episodes before judging.

[storm jungle]

Mood, same with me for Bebop lol

[astral burrow]

I keep confusing bebop and black lagoon

[vagrant fox]

Man I should rewatch Bebop

[paper haven]

Episode five is about where the cracks become impossible to ignore

[astral burrow]

I should finish black lagoon

[paper haven]

The live action, I mean

The anime is still aggressively mid but competent.

[astral burrow]

Aldhani episode onwards andor is action and drama and thrill injected straight into your veins

[astral burrow]

Until the very last episode e

[vagrant fox]

I'd completely repressed that there's a live action one

[paper haven]

Sorry I reminded you

[storm jungle]

only thing i rmeember from it was uh

you cut a man's ball and eat his testicles

or something

[paper haven]

That was in the show, yes

[astral burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-andor-dedra-smile-dedra-meero-denise-gough-fake-smile-gif-307781492153472320

Empire would have won if they had more baddies

[paper haven]

He bit into a grape as he said it, in case the dialogue was too subtle

[vagrant fox]

I don't even remember anything about it other than it exists
The whole thing is in a memory hole worse than the Avatar one

[astral burrow]

You will never understand true power until you eat the testicles of a man who has wronged you

[storm jungle]

Juicy af for real

🍇

[storm jungle]

THAT WAS THE ONE

god i can hear it echo in my head

also me @ darktide players

[paper haven]

Said with complete seriousness

He meant it

[astral burrow]

Cowboy bebop had a live action?

Bruh

[paper haven]

Yes

[astral burrow]

I thought that was a random ass movie clip

Was that in the anime

[paper haven]

It is terrible

[paper haven]

No.

[astral burrow]

https://youtu.be/Bfbbfo6I0Jg

You can feel him holding back his laughter

[paper haven]

The show is very, very different from the anime

[astral burrow]

Bro is holding back a waterfall

That dam is coming down any second

If they ever make a black lagoon live action and revy isn't the hottest person in the entire fiction I will riot

[paper haven]

Fair

Revy my beloved

She also needs an atrocious Thai accent

[vagrant fox]

Oughta play kotor 2 and glaze Kreia, that'll hold me over until Monday along with Hunter the Parenting

[languid meadow]

I should watch sinners

[opaque coyote]

Stupid question but how separate from their god can Daemons be

[storm jungle]

Im waiting for it to come out on digital

i heard its peak

[opaque coyote]

Like for example, can a Khornate Daemon become a pacifist

[storm jungle]

no

it'd get murdered

They can very much just be their own thing akin to a special character

but

they always are a slave to their basic instincts

it just depends how much

at the end of the day their job is to eat souls and toy with mortals

you know, like a office manager

[opaque coyote]

So if it somehow doesn't get murdered. Does it eventually just evaporate or something

[polar hill]

Daemons are manifestations of their respective Chaos God

A pacifistic Daemon of Khorne cannot exist in the same way an apple tree can't grow an orange

[storm jungle]

Probably, if you cannot follow the essence of your god to some degree you are worthless lol

remember daemons are a part of their deity

[opaque coyote]

So it's like how we need food and water

If we don't get it

We die

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

again you can have independant daemons, they still gotta do evil acts

[opaque coyote]

Same with daemons with souls and their inner instincts

[storm jungle]

its easier if say like

its some completely unrelated non-chaos daemon from the Warp

which isnt really a thing, but theres nothing saying it cant exist lol

it would still have some sociopathic tendencies though

the Seer (even though we dont know who hes talkign to) is a great example

[opaque coyote]

Yeah just kinda wondering how "individualistic" a daemon can be

[storm jungle]

If its just from the Warp itself it can be anything you want

it would still just have some evil tendencies since the Warp is a mess of misery and brutality

it just kinda depends on what you wanna do with em

[opaque coyote]

Would be an interesting idea but in this case probably wouldn't work

Still thank you though

[storm jungle]

For example I got a chaos marine lord whos bonded with an undivided daemon since the end of the Siege of Terra, they "help" each other and make it work somewhat ala Argel Tal

but if its like a chaos god specific daemon it would be way more difficult

[vagrant fox]

What's that khorne daemon that's just a shadow in real space and sometimes a shadow cloak(?)
Whatever it was called it's pretty different to a blood thirster but they're both out to spill blood

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly

i forgot its name but I know who you mean lmao

[opaque coyote]

Kinda thought of a Slaaneshi OC that bounded with a Daemon similar to Argel Tal

They're both still extremely evil. Just extremely evil t o g e t h e r

[vagrant fox]

It was in that Fall of Cadia story and it's funny

[storm jungle]

OH HER lmao

dude shes hilarious

she outright tells that khorne guy to stop being an incel, its so funny

[storm jungle]

Look up Syll'Esske

[opaque coyote]

"Stop complaining about other women and just stab her already. I'm bored"

[vagrant fox]

I'd like to see her come back somewhen
Yeah bro Khorne is watching right now you gotta kill so much

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Syll'Esske

The Daemonic Herald Syll Lewdtongue was once shunned by those in Slaanesh's court for growing too attached to those meant to be tempted into their own destruction. Syll's affection for these mortals would eventually lead to glory when a mortal gladiator-slave in Slaanesh's garden known as Esske caught the Herald's eye. Esske's newfound patronage allowed him to ascend all the way to Daemonhood, only to be dismissed by Slaanesh Daemon courtiers due to his status as a former mortal. In response, Syll and Esske joined forces to take revenge on those that had shunned them, working closely in battle to complement each other's strengths. Fighting to the throne of Slaanesh itself, the two bound their fates in a dark pact. They became a symbiotic entity known as Syll'Esske, fighting with deadly synchronicity. The alliance which had made them outsiders before, now paved the way for their mutual ascension.[1]

For example this is perfect

they are in AOS too, basically a wholesome daemon/human pair

the ""downside"" being they are a duo-chaos champion that kills millions

aka based

[opaque coyote]

God forbid a couple have a hobby

[storm jungle]

🙏

Also

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Syll'Esske

their AOS lexi page, much longer

[vagrant fox]

Lewdtongue huh

Vtuber ahh name

[arctic talon]

Yeah they're an AoS character primarily

[storm jungle]

what does the tongue do

[opaque coyote]

I always found that Slaanesh would be connected to love in some manner

Both because well, the first reason is obvious. Just like at the designs.

But also because Love in itself is something you literally cannot have enough of.

[arctic talon]

you know

stuff

[storm jungle]

cleaning my pipes clearly

[dapper gyro]

You have pipes?

[vagrant fox]

I don't think why but I imagine those covid tests that scrape the back of your brain

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside Syll'Esske have shown up like 0 times in 40k lol

aside from codex lore

They're very much an AoS character

[opaque coyote]

You just find a random Slaaneshi daemonette in the sewer licking some random sludge.

"It's a hobby."

"Wouldn't this be closer to Nurgle's domain?"

"Shut up before I eat your soul"

continues licking sewer sludge

random menial just slowly walks away

[dapper gyro]

Why even ask question? How about just kill them of at the 1st sign?

[arctic talon]

also Esske is like

pretty small for a daemon prince

[opaque coyote]

Too busy licking Sewer Sludge (tm)

[opaque coyote]

In power or size?

[arctic talon]

both

lol

[opaque coyote]

Makes sense

[arctic talon]

Syll'Esske have been worse then a generic daemon prince since they've came out

stat wise

[dapper gyro]

Ah, so weak that it brough down their average?

[arctic talon]

in both AoS and 40k

Well, they're just weaker

which is fine?

Idk, I feel like its a bit underwhelming for 2 named characters

the idea and design is really cool

[opaque coyote]

Any gameplay or lore reason

Or is it just

Something GW did that is confusing

[arctic talon]

gameplay wise I'd assume its because they're smaller

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

and are therefore harder to kill by virtue of being a smaller target

lol

[opaque coyote]

Fair enough.

I guess the reason why they're weaker in lore is cause a Daemon prince basically sacrifice their humanity to gain the extreme power. Their mortal shell is basically gone.

But Syll is literally combined with a human

[arctic talon]

Syll was a herald

Esske became a daemon prince

[opaque coyote]

Hm yeah they should be more powerful then

Idk

[crystal forum]

i'll be honest i skipped nearly every mon mothma scene

wrong server

[plush mason]

can it be the 23rd already?

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[crystal forum]

boring white woman

[spare osprey]

brain rotted

[crystal forum]

mostly because i just want to see andor in the show called andor also

show kept cutting away from the prison like i give a shit about sci fi hillary clinton

[spare osprey]

SHE'S ONE OF THE BEST CHARACTERS WHAT

oh nah

[crystal forum]

andor is best character

i only care about andor

[polar hill]

Low tier bait

"Sci-fi Hillary Clinton" gives it away

[arctic talon]

Mon mothma's stuff is so good

in the show

[plush mason]

so how are new arbitrators recruited?

[arctic talon]

Schola

[plush mason]

are they all from the schola progenia?

[arctic talon]

not good enough for the scions

too physically competent to be scribes

[plush mason]

so very few if any arbitrators will be from the world they will go on to serve on yes?

[arctic talon]

Also not nerdy enough to be comissars

[arctic talon]

intentionally none

if it does happen its an accident

[polar hill]

Varangian Guard rules; no local loyalties

[arctic talon]

its much easier to be the boot on the neck if you don't know who's neck you're stomping on

[plush mason]

true

[polar hill]

I mean, not just that

[arctic talon]

well yeah

[polar hill]

It's a means to avoid corruption in the Arbites

[arctic talon]

Tbf the schola usually beats it out of them

[sly ivy]

Lmao

[plush mason]

arent most in the schola orphans? should be fairly easy to remove any local loyalties in that case

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

you're genuinely stupid

and i say that rarely

[polar hill]

I was only affirming what the other guy said so idk what your malfunction is

This is the second time you've been randomly aggressive towards me lol

[sour hornet]

So arbitrators are the only cool guys to come from a schola besides the scions?

[languid meadow]

No

[dapper gyro]

SoB is kind of cool.

[languid meadow]

Sisters and assassins also come from the schola or assassin candidates do

[sour hornet]

Commissars are nerds, Sisters are dumb bible jocks, scribes are dorks, etc.

[dapper gyro]

Some of them are too hot to be cool.

[sour hornet]

Assassins are alright I guess.

[languid meadow]

Oh yeah and navy officers

[arctic talon]

Asasssins are not only graduates from the schola

tbf

[dapper gyro]

They are from death cults.

[sour hornet]

Those guys suck ass. They're slotted alongside the other losers.

[polar hill]

"Nerds" and "dumb Bible jocks" are certainly takes lol. Commissars are cooler than you give them credit for

[sour hornet]

No they are not.

[dapper gyro]

Terrax Guard revival when?

[arctic talon]

not always, but sometimes

members of the assasinorum are

kind of fucking everywhere lol

[dapper gyro]

Only the temple assassins are 100% come from the temples.

[arctic talon]

I'm talking about the temple assassins

[dapper gyro]

I always thought that assassins are trained by cults across the galaxy.

[arctic talon]

Schola graduate -> temple assassin pipeline exists

though the "recruits" come from all over the place

one of the eversor recruits was some 14 year old kid who killed everyone else on a mining colony

though the schola is the main source

[polar hill]

Assassin Temple trainees are drawn from the Schola Progenium, full stop; you might be getting confused with the tendency of Inquisitors for giving Temple training to Death Cultists in their retinue

[opaque coyote]

I think it's canonically just a mixture

Gotta get as much trainees since most of them will probably die horribly

[arctic talon]

They're almost exclusively from the schola

in lore

[arctic talon]

its only under very weird circumstances they get them from other odd sources

like that 14 year old

[opaque coyote]

Doesn't the Schola basically steal random orphans

"get educated or die"

[winter vessel]

That too

[languid meadow]

It's mostly orphans of people who died in service

[arctic talon]

^

[opaque coyote]

Although I have to ask. How is it decided that you're a temple assassin, commissar, whatever

[arctic talon]

Depends

they test you for that

[languid meadow]

Militarum and navy officers

[arctic talon]

temple assassin isn't an official path

LOL

you get kidnapped

at graduation

if the Asassinorum deems you "worthy"

[winter vessel]

I had this oc story of a boy who gets taken in by the schola progenium because his mother(Militarum officer) was presumed dead after getting caught in a warp storm. Somewhere down the line they meet up. She hasn’t aged but her boy has by 18 years and he’s a Temp Scion.

[opaque coyote]

Like do they just put you through a combat and knowledge test.

The tests get sent through.

For temple assassins, if you show extraordinary combat and intelligence. You get kidnapped to the temple

[arctic talon]

A bunch of different testing

Also actual exams

And it can change overtime

[dapper gyro]

What if the temple assassins are double kidnapped?

[languid meadow]

Schola is a school first after all

[arctic talon]

if you end up proving utterly inept at firearms handling despite being extremely physically strong

Your ass is going to the scribes

lol

[winter vessel]

Damn. Clerical work

[arctic talon]

Also Schola scribes get sent to higher positions off the bat

[opaque coyote]

Imagine just passing the "Extreme Death Obstacle Course" and now you have to take a math test

[arctic talon]

tbf

you can fail the math test

Just don't have any aspirations to be an officer or comissar

[opaque coyote]

Also I forgot where Sisters of Battle come from

The Schola right?

[arctic talon]

yes

[winter vessel]

Yes

[arctic talon]

3 requirements

Religous, Women, Good at fighting

[dapper gyro]

Being a commissar vs being a SoB, which one is better?

[arctic talon]

In terms of life expectancy? SoB

[languid meadow]

Assasinorum candidates having probably the highest death rate of the juves even accounting for sister and scions

[winter vessel]

Sounds like my grandma

[arctic talon]

in terms of authority Comissar

[opaque coyote]

Probably SoB in terms of life expectancy.

You actually get armor

That isn't just random ass flak

[dapper gyro]

Some, if a girl wants to be heroic, which one should she take?

[arctic talon]

Depends on how religous she is

unironically

you need to be a genuine 100% koolaid drinker

[opaque coyote]

By Heroic, I assume an extreme zealot, so probably Sister of Battle

[dapper gyro]

Ah, too bad...

[arctic talon]

Scions are also an option

[winter vessel]

Mhmm

[arctic talon]

For the less intelligent

not that scions are stupid

[opaque coyote]

God the family meeting must've been awkward

[arctic talon]

they just don't need to memorize a giant handbook of laws, political stuff, guides, ect.

[languid meadow]

Commissars get carapace cuirasses

[arctic talon]

It depends

its flak or carapace

[dapper gyro]

Well, most commissar can fight so damn well.

[arctic talon]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

Tbf both fight well. Unless if you're a clerical worker, you probably need to fight well

[languid meadow]

Cadets and juniors get flak I'm pretty sure but normal and above can get carapace

[dapper gyro]

They could be on Scion level, but the leadership skill is way more valuable on the field.

[opaque coyote]

But SoB has power armor, Commissar doesn't. Therefore drink that Kool Aid and don't stop sipping

Unless if you're a male

Misters of Battle don't exist

Unless if you count Crusaders but they're more like fancy Inquistor Guards basically

[languid meadow]

I mean auxiliary troops for sisters exist iirc they just won't get power armour

[opaque coyote]

I mean if you're male, Commissar would probably be a better choice since at least you have authority

[polar hill]

Something to note about the Progena (the children of the Schola) is that most just grow up to find work in the Ministorum or the Administratum. You might get selected for the Scions, Arbites, Commissariat, Sororitas, etc, but that's just if you have the right aptitude. 9/10 kids are just going to have normal lives

Unless they were unlucky enough to be Progena in m37, that is

[winter vessel]

It’s drawn upon my favoritism of the Elysian Drop troops. He had a natural inclination because of his upbringing. So he became a Tempestus Aquilon. But in lore some orphans in the Schola can break their indoctrination and have visions or dreams of a past life. So he only remembers her face, but not their relation. Might go back to writing that again.

[opaque coyote]

I assume it depends on how good you are at fighting and education. Most choose the education route.

Since on a basic level. People don't like getting shot

Doesn't matter how much death cult Kool aid you take. Getting shot sucks

[dapper gyro]

Elysian and the other airborne regiment, the only 2 with the elite troops are straight up from Tempestus Aquilon instead of Tempestus equivalent.

[languid meadow]

The psycho-indoctrination is so inconsistent I have chosen to ignore it

[winter vessel]

If by other regiment you mean the Harakoni Warhawks?

[languid meadow]

Cooler elysians

[winter vessel]

Yep

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[winter vessel]

Funny they have their own “dirty” accent of Low Gothic

[languid meadow]

They also have their own burial rites

[opaque coyote]

I like to assume it depends on the budget.

Since like most schools, the budget varies

[languid meadow]

Istg there was a thing where a tech priest hated it

[opaque coyote]

The more expensive Scholas get the fancy brainwashing

[dapper gyro]

They don't have their personal elite, but Tempestus as attachment elite.

[opaque coyote]

The ones that have less budget have to do the brainwashing the old fashioned way

AKA beating them until they agree

[dapper gyro]

Hence why the SoB are all BDSM women...

[winter vessel]

They got a whip

I like the Sacred Rose or the Argent Shroud

[opaque coyote]

The Deldar stops fighting for a moment and says

"Nice outfit, I have a similar one back at home."

The Sister of Battle gets angrier as a result

I generally love the white wig and power armor of the sisters though

[dapper gyro]

Reasonable sisters when?

[opaque coyote]

I had the thought of an SoB who's basically an absolute coward.

Like the only reason she hasn't become a Repentia is because she has Cain's spirit in absolutely bullshitting her way out

"I didn't run. I noticed that there was a heretic there! Clearly..."

[winter vessel]

She has the one sister she trusts out of the rest, who is still oblivious to her intent and keeps praising her, lol

[opaque coyote]

Also she wanted to become a Rememberancer

But she scored too well in the religious and combat test

Therefore Sister of Battle

[winter vessel]

Be funny if her Sister Superior or Canoness knows she is a total fraud…but doesn’t bring it up because it’s too entertaining

[sly ivy]

40k lore darktide channel routinely generating better story hooks than BL

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I thought about her being with like a Krieger

So you have

One guy who wants to zealously sacrifice his life for the Emperor

And the girl who just wanted to DRAW SOME PICTURES BUT NOOO SHE HAD TO BE WITH THE NUNS

And she is genuinely depressed. She doesn't have the fraud thing like Cain does, but it's replaced with the fact that she thinks that due to her being a coward, she'd be punished by the Emperor and be sent to the depths of the Warp

Or whatever the equivalent of Hell would be

[sly ivy]

That’s just the Warp

Also life in the imperium

… rip

[opaque coyote]

But yeah she flips between

"Maybe I should give myself the Emperor's Peace"

And

"I DON'T WANT TO GET EATEN BY ORKS AAA-"

[winter vessel]

Honestly debating if I want to include my word bearer into the mix of my story. He initially was with his brothers on turning traitor after monarchia’s burning, but, like the Anchorite, realized what he was doing was wrong. TLDR; gets flung into the future after being lost in the warp and kinda wanders the galaxy as a “vigilante”. He takes pride in knowing that before his Primarch’s fall, the religion of the “god”-Emperor has cemented in the imperium to provide that modicum of hope.

I kinda base him around the Storyteller from Fallout

Rest his soul salutes

[opaque coyote]

Space Marine reading Lectito stories to kids

"And then the emperor killed them all. The end.'

"YAAAAAA-"

[winter vessel]

“That is a story for another day” points bolter at the approaching Xenos

He’s kinda more of a wise sage my Aquilon dude encounters when he is separated from his squad.

Right place at the worst time kinda thing

Like, a wielder of the Force but neither Jedi or Sith

That’s as best as I can portray it

[tough haven]

based

"Alright kids, its space marine bookreading day!"

[opaque coyote]

Wild fact I learned about Revenge of the Sith

Originally Anakin didn't just force choke Padme for a second and then let her go

He fucking lifted her up and kept on choking her until she went limp

Then threw her body against the wall before facing Obi Wan

Might be a remnant of the original plot where Anakin thought Padme was having an affair with Obi Wan

(Thank god that was changed, that plot is ass)

Also the "save Padme from death" was purely done through reshoots btw

[opaque coyote]

This probably explains Palpatine saying "In your rage, you killed her"

Here is the original rehearsal btw

https://www.reddit.com/r/PrequelMemes/s/mZb1aPsuvg

Although I always liked the idea that Anakin unconsciously stole her life force while he was basically fucking dying from being burned by lava and the loss of his remaining limbs

[astral burrow]

Nah, sadness

Too sad to live

Luke stole her life force

[celest dome]

Luke

Not Anakin ?

[astral burrow]

Yeah luke was born

Came out by stealing her life force fr

[celest dome]

What about Leila then

[astral burrow]

Leia isn't an overpowered piece of garbage she didn't need no life force to steal

[celest dome]

[polar ridge]

[raven stone]

Random thought of the day

Final Destination can actually be considered as “Tzeentch on a murder spree.”
Discuss.

[storm jungle]

Well, not wrong

[sacred bluff]

wrong

[dapper gyro]

Starwars, where most blasters have effective stopping power at around 300m or less.

When checking on weapons statistics on the SW guns convo the other day, I put SW troops level down almost 2 notches.

[astral burrow]

It is still energy, it probably dissipates by then

[astral burrow]

I just hate Luke

[celest dome]

Yeh, figure

[astral burrow]

He is really worse than rey

[celest dome]

I quite liked Rey in the 1st 2 movies, the 3rd one has so much bad writing and she is sadly paying for it

[astral burrow]

What Rey did before any training

Pilot the millennium falcon while bumping into everything, beat a guy who got show by a WOOKIEE BOCASTER AND IS BLEEDING OUT in a lightsaber duel

What luke did after just being told to focus

Survive a trench run in an extremely fast aircraft, throw a bomb into a very tiny gap, things expert pilots who dedicated their lives couldn't do, all cuz be shot rats in an empty desert while flying a shitty airspeeder

Whatever is the male version of a Mary Sue, he is it

[crystal forum]

i like how blasters have 40k level of consistency

[celest dome]

Gery Sue iirc

And yes he is

[crystal forum]

you'll see a guy die to being shot once in the shoulder then a main character survive a shot to the stomach

[celest dome]

But Rey's story did have some plot holes that Luke's didn't

[crystal forum]

blasters are so deadly it's funny. people just die immediately to a surface wound

i know disney just doesnt want to show gore

[storm jungle]

Me when too many writers in the kitchen

[crystal forum]

i dont think that's even the case

they just serve plot purposes which is reasonable

[raven stone]

Star Wars and 40k are both science fantasy, but Star Wars has just a bit more numbers to fool people into thinking it is Science Fiction.

But behind it all they are just using a futuristic setting to tell stories about people.

And not really focusing on the actual, well, science.

[crystal forum]

also the thing with blasters is at least they're somewhat consistent in how deadly they are

unlike lasguns

a blaster shot usually means a character is going to die

and being able to survive a blaster is meant to be rare like mandalorian armour and force powers

now what i actually dont get is why people bother using large blasters when the pistols kill just as efficiently

[raven stone]

I mean, drawing real world parallels

You have different blasters because some planet somewhere didn’t want to rely on imported guns when you can make them yourself.

It’s why we have AK-47s and M16s despite them doing the same thing as the same class of weapons.

[storm jungle]

Its definitely the case, half the funny thing with Star Wars is the writers duking it out lol

we got footage of actors in interviews admitting they have told Lucas stuff when shit doesnt make sense

[crystal forum]

why not just use the pistol blasters then? they seem to one shot storm troopers just as good

andor kills a shadow trooper with his blaster at the end of season 1

which surprised me a little, i thought he would have a big fight

[storm jungle]

Plot.

[raven stone]

I mean, if you accept different planets have different pistol models and makes, then yes, the remaining question is “why doesn’t everyone just use Pistol scale firearms of various makes.”

Presumably, either plot, or in universe, there is actually a range difference or something.

[crystal forum]

makes sense lol. he seems to be an ideas guy mainly

[celest dome]

Do blaster have recoil ? in any case Pistols tend to be less precise than Rifles in part due to the way they are held

[dapper gyro]

Range. The heavy blaster pistol that Han used has like 50-70m range...

[storm jungle]

Yeah Lucas is generally great for ideas/concepts, but he cannot write proper lore or especially dialogue.

I think it was Hamill who just outright once toldh im on set "George no one talks like this"

lmao

[crystal forum]

maybe yeah. that reminds me actually, you know the mg34 based blaster? a guy picks one up during season 1 at the heist and acts like it's some awesome hefty gun. when he shoots it though it's literally just a normal blaster

like how underwhelming is that

[raven stone]

Writers not knowing enough about guns to write them 😅

Which can happen

[dapper gyro]

Also, the heavy blaster rifle, when used with a stationary pack, can shoot at 5km range.

[shadow plover]

George writes prose like a fanfic writer

[dapper gyro]

Hence it was used as an AA weapon.

[crystal forum]

why don't people use the minigun blaster you'd see sometimes in clone wars

that thing SLAPPED

[crystal forum]

i think what's great about him is he actually cares about pleasing fans which is pretty cool

the prequels is a lot of fan service imo

[dapper gyro]

Sniper blaster has only 500m range... Which is kind of underwhelming for a scifi setting.

[crystal forum]

is there lore for chewbaca's crossbow

and why it sends people flying

[shadow plover]

it big

the end

[celest dome]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bowcaster

[crystal forum]

handcrafted

damn

[celest dome]

So it's not a Blaster ?

But a Reynbow or Magbow

[crystal forum]

jab at the sequels

[celest dome]

I want some bow weapon here

Or crossbow

[crystal forum]

in 40k?

[celest dome]

||saying that I never played with bows in Vt2||

[celest dome]

Yes

[crystal forum]

lasbow would be nice

[celest dome]

Lasbow ? I don't remember those

[crystal forum]

but (rare star wars glaze) i think 40k guns will never have the peak aesthetic of SW weapons

[tough haven]

Oh yeah, Star Wars had great aesthetic

So does 40K but in less of a sci fi manner

Which is I guess intentional

[celest dome]

The Admech have some guns that are just stellar aesthetic

Those are just cool

Pls gib Acuitor Mechadendrites as a melee weapon

[astral burrow]

Kylo really should have died to that bowcaster shot

The same shot sent a stormtrooper FLYING

Nvm blew up a pipe with it lmao

But it is still extremely powerful

[jade canopy]

So I'm not usually into extended 40k lore ( outside of gameplay ) since I'm not the biggest fan of lore that's doom/gloom and endless suffering 24/7 but, what're some light hearted, happier moments of 40k lore?

[crystal forum]

it's called grimdark, for future reference

[jade canopy]

Ah ty I couldn't remember the name ^^;

[raven stone]

Ciaphas Cain. All of his exploits.
Lamenters if you count “being positive in hopelessly bad luck situations”

(And if you don’t mind Marines being, well, Marines at their core despite the Lamenter’s relative humanity)

[jade canopy]

I mean I do really like the Salamanders, from what I've learned about them.

[raven stone]

Your own headcanon OC characters doing some positive things in their local areas however they can.

Pretty much the three big things that can be counted as positive.

Yea, Salamanders are another “really nice by human standards to humans” Marines Chapter as well.

T’au if you don’t mind humans not being protagonists

Gaunt’s Ghosts series as well

[jade canopy]

I remember a T'au game that I played on either ps2 or gamecube.

[raven stone]

Fire Warrior

[jade canopy]

very very v-THAT'S THE ONE

[raven stone]

Yea that does show what Marines would be like if you are on the wrong end of them

[jade canopy]

I remember liking that game a lot

I've also played Space Hulk but that game is sooooooo hard

[raven stone]

Heh, yea, that game is pretty faithful to the odds Marine Terminators are sent to face.

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/v8ezmz/are_there_any_wholesome_moments_in_40k/

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/v1h6vl/in_your_opinion_whats_the_most_wholesome_moments/

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/lsdoc1/what_are_some_of_the_most_wholesome_moments_in_40k/

Heres a big pile of em

[jade canopy]

oh thank you! :D

[storm jungle]

🫡

[raven stone]

Yea 40k is the sort of thing where the strategic picture is necessarily bleak, so the small moments of goodness and kindness shines even brighter in contrast.

[jade canopy]

Yeah it's not my general cup of tea but I can absolutely see the appeal.

[raven stone]

To steal and paraphrase a Doctor Who quote, 40k is a setting where…

“Now and then, every once in a very long while, every day in a million days, when the wind stands fair […] everybody lives.”

[near wasp]

Ignore the millions who die on hive worlds every day

[raven stone]

(I mean, granted, even in the original Doctor Who context they are still ignoring the people dying form natural causes, so it implies only applicable to deaths caused by an immediate crisis)

[crystal forum]

underrated episode

the gas mask kid scared me when i was a child

[raven stone]

Oh yes, that was excellently executed.

[crystal forum]

also no the healing nanites restored everybody to perfect health i think

even naturally sick people

oh wait wrong quote

is this the 9th doctor?

[sly ivy]

People don’t realize or admit it but it’s this that keeps many coming back to it

[raven stone]

Turns up in two occasions actually.
“Just this once, Rose, everybody lives!” Is 9th Doctor episode.
The longer quote I used is from River Song’s first appearance in 10th Doctor episode “Silence in the Library”

[sly ivy]

It’s like an extreme version of, you know, the real world which is kind of bleak and barren as you shed the illusions of youth. And as in 40K you have to pull some brightness out of the decay.

[raven stone]

Pretty much, yes.

Also the idea of humanity just defying the odds in general is inspiring, even if the methodology is questionable.

[sly ivy]

It’s a different kind of escapism.

[sly ivy]

Yes. Every moment just surviving a victory.

Same thing that appeals to people about war stories in general, often

If they’re from the trenches

[raven stone]

I mean, it is how I saw 3rd edition as well.
The way GW made the setting back then, the idea was that the universe was just so damn horrible, no matter what side you choose to play as, you can and will find a way to make things a little better in your own little stories.

But nobody else seems to get THAT idea somehow…

[sly ivy]

Bc with 40K you think of all the beautiful things you love about humanity — all the best parts of the people you love most, all the transcedant stanzas and paragraphs and paintings and motifs — all the sacrifice and the selflessness

And all of that is happening somewhere in this vast universe

And as long as humanity survives it will keep happening, as brutal as the Imperium might be.

[crystal forum]

oh right the episode where river dies

also her first appearance

what a crazily written character

[storm jungle]

Also its the entire reason why 40k generally avoids showing Imperials doing atrocities too close to IRL lol

unless its like mass death, then you are kinda uncaring about it since its just statistic

[raven stone]

She is one of the first New Who characters whose character arc fully encapsulates what happens when time travel shenanigans are involved in your backstory.

[raven stone]

Actually now that you mention it, yes, GW has been quietly toning down the depictions of the Imperium without changing their core.

Like yes they are generally still xenophobic and dogmatic, but you do notice a lot more focus is placed on how those happen alongside enemies that requires such approach, and far less ill-conceived “har har Marines stomp hapless Xenos species” kind of situations.

[crystal forum]

i really liked that episode with the 8th doctor and the time travel meat balls that highlight what happens if you fuck with timelines

[raven stone]

(And Horus Heresy novels goes out of its way in the narrative to show how stupid stomping some of the coexisting federations were)

[storm jungle]

Without writer/plot restraints most Imperial Guardsmen and other fighting arms of the Imperium would basically be wehrmacht or SS-tier war criminals yeah, we just never see these because people do not want to be reminded of such things usually in fiction and want diet not-WW2 novels where underdog guardsmen win the day against generic evil aliens or chaos cultists, never people fighting for a rebellion or freedom without some malignant outside influence.

[raven stone]

(…even if some were Chaos plots)

[crystal forum]

i want evil guard

[storm jungle]

Same reason how people cheer for Primarchs and Space Marines in 30k and 40k when these mass murderers have genocided countless human groups alongside aliens across the galaxy lol

[crystal forum]

not main character cadian woman number 7

[storm jungle]

LOL

My favorite trope 💀

[raven stone]

It’s why I want to start a Solar Aux army (albeit with Marine allies)
The Universe could have been better if Marines were just a small specialised force even back during 30k days…

[storm jungle]

Okay but money

[sly ivy]

No you want to start a solar aux army

Because they look AMAZING

And also apparently bc you want to be broke

[crystal forum]

if you like 40's scuba gear

[raven stone]

Both of the above are correct concerns 🤣

[sly ivy]

Silence

[storm jungle]

WAITER

WAITER!

MORE TITAN MODELS PLEASE

[crystal forum]

sometimes i get the urge to buy a model then i remember that i could buy so many other things with 75$

[hallow saddle]

there is one good thing about being bri'ish

and its getting the best price for warhammer

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-gamora-what-did-it-cost-gif-14001403

Is it worth it?

[hallow saddle]

Jury's out.....

[rocky gale]

Sure everything else is god awful and going downhill faster each day, but my little plastic soldiers are slightly less overpriced

[plush mason]

who doesnt?

[rocky gale]

Shaggy from scoobydoo

Straight spooks him

[plush mason]

everything spooks him

its funny you mention him though since i just saw this a few moments ago

that was literally all of the villians or nearly so in the original

[languid meadow]

Hard asf

And real

[rocky gale]

The real ghost was the haunting spectre of capitalism

[plush mason]

there is a reason the villains called them "meddling kids" dispite them all being young adults

[languid meadow]

When you get to a certain age you can call anyone a kid

[plush mason]

yup

[rocky gale]

It’s true, kid

[raven stone]

The inverse is also true though

Once you reach a certain age anyone can call you an old person

[rocky gale]

That’s right old man

[plush mason]

im 30, i am officially an old person

[rocky gale]

Ha

[raven stone]

36. So, yea, no worries there, I am a grumpy Dreadnought by modern standards lol.

(Not old enough to be Heresy era though, ha ha)

[near wasp]

I'm 24 and already wake up feeling like Dante, why'd I have to inherit my father's back issues