40k-lore-chat

[polar hill]

Modern vexillologist designs are equivalent to bean mouth animation

It's all underwhelming, samey, boring, corporatized garbage

[crystal forum]

if you say vexillologist one more time i'm shoving your favorite flag up my ass

[plush mason]

what

of all the ways to threaten someone

[vagrant fox]

he suffers from a very sexy learning disability

[round tartan]

I would agree. They don't convey the same meaning as they meant to. It's meant to unmistakably identify which troop you belong to. And that's pretty much it.

[polar hill]

RETVRN

[vagrant fox]

At least a few of those are still in use at a local level

[paper haven]

I wouldn't recommend that, you really don't know where that flag has been.

[crystal forum]

i've had worse

a georgian

from georgia

[polar hill]

Stalin Georgia or peaches Georgia

[crystal forum]

racist georgia

wait that doesn't narrow things down

[plush mason]

i was about to say

[paper haven]

Can I get another hint?

[plush mason]

eastern or western hemisphere?

[round tartan]

How do you feel about George III?

[crystal forum]

it's mostly white people

[paper haven]

Mostly or almost entirely?

[crystal forum]

barely a majority

statistically

[round tartan]

From the authoritarian Georgia

[sly ivy]

Flags r inherently gay

Don’t @ me

No homo

[round tartan]

@ you

@ you

@ you

[sly ivy]

Jokes on u now we’re married

[crystal forum]

apparently there's predictions that georgia will be minority white in august this year

which americans call minority majority

what a dumb fucking name

[sly ivy]

Based Georgia

Good state

D-tier country no offense

[round tartan]

I will be a terrible husband
so the joke is on you

[sly ivy]

I am a terrible husband 🤝

[round tartan]

Do sumptin nice to your spouse

[sly ivy]

Don’t worry I’ll try and manage 2 burn down the house or something in the process

[winter vessel]

reviewing Doom the Dark Ages arts and concepts

pretty cool stuff for the Night Sentinels and Argenta as a whole

[polar hill]

This might be a hot take but I kinda hate the artstyle of the modern Doom games

It just feels oddly arbitrary, if that makes a lick of sense

[storm jungle]

Lmao the fucking demonic d-day landing boats on Pic 1

[winter vessel]

It is a significant detract from its initial start of the Series. But I’m glad ID Software is expanding to other styles. And I greatly enjoy the blend of Sci Fi and Medieval themes.

[storm jungle]

time to add these to my 40k folders

[winter vessel]

Dark Ages has actually gotten me back into writing a story I started on back in my senior year. I’ll add notes here and there for inspiration or reference but haven’t gotten back into adding into the draft

[sly ivy]

Do you know the tabletop game Infinity? Some similar aesthetics.

[winter vessel]

Can’t say that I have

[arctic talon]

def has those vibes

[plush mason]

i look at those night sentinel armors and all i can think of is hell gate templar lol

[winter vessel]

Do the minis look like these for that Infinity tabletop?

[sly ivy]

Ya those are Panoceania

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[sly ivy]

It’s a great game btw. Lore is a bit sucky — was never really able to get into it. But it plays great.

I mean really great.

[arctic talon]

Warning that infinity is all metal and resin

if you care abuot that

[sly ivy]

Like maybe the best tabletop ruleset

[arctic talon]

its a very good game though

tbh

Yeah

its extremely good

[sly ivy]

(but I still play 40K mostly haha)

[arctic talon]

Tbh

40k is like

the most popular wargame lol

[sly ivy]

Yeah I can always find a game

Plus the lore is way better.

40K skirmish with Infinity rules would be divine.

[arctic talon]

mfw of the 3 most popular wargames 2 of the 3 are owned by GW

[winter vessel]

Is Infinity fairly recent?

[sly ivy]

Wait wat is 3

[arctic talon]

battletech

[arctic talon]

nah its old as fuck

[sly ivy]

Oh no shit

[arctic talon]

2005

iirc

[sly ivy]

Infinity is… it’s hard to describe playing it.

It’s like making an action movie

On the table

[arctic talon]

top 3 wargames are

40k
Battletech
AoS

lol

[winter vessel]

Looking on the website, these are some pretty cool factions. Definitely saving this as a reference

[arctic talon]

mfw flames of war and bolt action

are the half rotting corpses

shambling forward

[sly ivy]

F to bolt action that game looked good

[sly ivy]

In my brief foray I mained Tunguska

[arctic talon]

its not dead tbf

regarding bolt action

its just uh

its just shambling along

[sly ivy]

[arctic talon]

Flames of war is doing better

but its skirmish scale

also bolt of action is lowkey expensive as shit

for how ugly/rough to put together the minis are

[sly ivy]

Yeah they don’t look very good do they

[arctic talon]

I mean the vehicles are nice

but I've seen worse infantry lol

especially for historicals

[sly ivy]

40K 10th honestly feels as good as any game I’ve played including Infinity, just in a different way.

I should give kill team another shake it’s just like… the games I’ve played have taken so long relative to the number of minis and what actually happened.

[arctic talon]

40k 10th is

very tightly designed

tbh

as much as I shit on it

I cannot say it is not designed very tightly

[sly ivy]

40K and Infinity so far best play experiences.

[arctic talon]

have you seen

the new like

[sly ivy]

And Warcry but like that’s a different kind of game. Way simpler.

[arctic talon]

weird near future skirmish game

its meant to be a very fast skirmish game

[sly ivy]

Is this where u tell me 2 enlist and be in a skirmish game 4 real

[arctic talon]

like 30-45 minutes

[arctic talon]

no

but this game is apparently made by former military personel

which could mean a lot of things

[sly ivy]

No I haven’t

[arctic talon]

LOL

[sly ivy]

Hmm

[arctic talon]

https://www.blkoutgame.com/pages/the-game

[sly ivy]

….. ok this looks more appealing than I thought

But I just can’t sink a bunch of cash into something that’s prob short lived

[arctic talon]

yeah def lol

[tough haven]

ARGENTA!?!

https://youtu.be/FOb3XVQX4p8?si=eBRN4mP4izzi6Xmd

[plush mason]

i cant wait to see what kinda dialog and dynamic the new abitrator comp will bring

[tough haven]

"I AM THE LAW, YOU ARE DOING ILLEGAL THINGS BY EXISTING!"

"Fuck you pig!"

Guarentee this is gonna be like half of it

[plush mason]

i wonder how he will feel about the death cult

[tough haven]

Oh also "I WISH I COULD KILL YOU BUT THE ROGUE TRADER IS ABOVE THE LAW!"

[plush mason]

in fact i wonder how the arbities feel about death cults in general

[arctic talon]

Probably wouldn’t care

They’re legal

[plush mason]

true but surely they would want to keep an eye on them right?

in case they start like idk threatening the tithe shipments or something

[crystal forum]

that takes a lot

[polar hill]

Tl;dr, when gangs start killing each other, that's not the Arbites' concern. As soon as a stray bullet or a missed rock throw hits a lex-abiding citizen on their way to work, they put their foot down

So the Arbites wouldn't have cared when the Cult was just going after the other gangers and Water Cartel

[storm jungle]

Arbites only ever start caring when its about the Tithe yeah.

petty crime is beneath them

the livelihood of citizens is also inconsequential

[plush mason]

not always, the planet might have some psykers to ship and the cult finds them

or they kill a bunch of workers making things due to be collected

but yeah outside of stuff like that they would just ignore the cult

[storm jungle]

Also let me post some examples of what takes their notice regarding some high value criminals they go after for capture orders

[tough haven]

What about if it affects the rich or powerful?

[storm jungle]

Nothing.

Its all about the Tithe.

Arbites will literall board Rogue Trader vessels if think something is up

[languid meadow]

This is straight up just clan mors type shit

[storm jungle]

Not satire btw

[plush mason]

the imperium is the skaven of 40k

[plush mason]

it even have a council of 13 lol

[tough haven]

So it’s only when something affects planetary outputs

[storm jungle]

Entirely yeah.

The best part is this can be do to any reason you can think of

for example me and my friend's rogue trader got hunted across 3 systems due to accidentally killing a administratum magistrate.

Literally just some nobody manager, but since he died, the production quota came to a halt, which created issues

(also caused a ship crash)

[tough haven]

What about like planetary invasions and various other catastrophes that would affect the production quotas

Don’t they deal with corruption as well?

[storm jungle]

Well yeah when a planet is under invasion it cant pay its tithe scant it?

[storm jungle]

They do not care as long as it doesnt affect the tithe.

Corruption is nothing if planetary efficiency is underway

[plush mason]

"one of the rogue trader's crewmen gave me a very dubious look at the docks yesterday, so ofc i had to board the ship and tear the hold apart to see what they where hiding" -arbitrator Mcbonebreak

[storm jungle]

Lmao yep

[tough haven]

Why don’t we hear more about arbites being sent in to eviscerate xenos invasions

[storm jungle]

More important posterboys are there.

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-eliud-gifs-warhammer-40k-combate-warhammer-40k-escudo-warhammer-40k-adeptus-arbites-gif-13756464845549076582

this is why you dont see scenes like this a lot

[tough haven]

Also the arbites aren’t in like army wide force right?

[storm jungle]

They can be. Depends on the precint-fortress strenght.

[tough haven]

They’re more for surgical operations yes?

[storm jungle]

Some precints are equipped to fight entire wars.

[polar hill]

ARBITRATORS

STAND AND DIE PROTOCOL

[tough haven]

And by surgical I mean “cut out the affected area”

[storm jungle]

See above.

What you are talking about is an Exaction Squad

whos job is to usually be a spec ops team that captures people for subjugation and "trial"

[plush mason]

sometimes the arbites fortress is the only thing standing when reinforcements arrive to an invaded world

[storm jungle]

^

Let me get the excerpt

[tough haven]

Oh right I remember that excerpt

I’ve honestly always found arbites boring

[tough haven]

Just another “oh yeah they are really brutal and efficient”

[storm jungle]

You should read more about them

Soulshackle does a great job

their job is singular but very diverse in action

[tough haven]

Like tbh I find the more micro of enforcers to be more interesting

[storm jungle]

Well yeah enforcers arent brainwashed nazi-cops lol

[tough haven]

Maybe I’ll have to include arbites in my campaign

[languid meadow]

yeah they're just normal power abusing cops

hardworkers they are

love hitting homeless people

[storm jungle]

As ever, truth is stranger than fiction

see acorn incident

[tough haven]

Though tbh they’d more than likely just shoot the party on sight (they include xenos) and they don’t give a shit about if said xenos have a rogue trader’s emblem on them

[storm jungle]

Yeah you'd need a good reason

[tough haven]

The interrogator in the party might be more problematic

[storm jungle]

for example me and my friend barely made it out because a famulous spoke on our behalf

[tough haven]

Also in the nihilus the tithe is a moot point anyways

[storm jungle]

and made it clear the magistrate was killed in a crossfire

not directly by us lol

(we still had our legs broken by powermauls)

[tough haven]

“Yeah we really gotta keep the tithe going where no one can ever come pick it up”

[tough haven]

Well that’s just courtesy

You get it free with any interaction with the arbites

You were guilty of something or other at some point to deserve it

[storm jungle]

Our crime was not notifying and clearing u pthe issue sooner

thus wasting the exaction squad's time

fucking hypocrites

[tough haven]

Wasting ammunition

[storm jungle]

a lot of things

[tough haven]

Yeah honestly I don’t know how they’d work in the nihilus

Actually wait, why would arbites care about aroma, the tithe is still going yes?

Unless the cult actively is trying to remove the arbites ig

[storm jungle]

Nope, its halted due to the uprising

its explained in their cinematic when the update drops

[tough haven]

It’s not out yet Is it?

[storm jungle]

Nope.

[tough haven]

I don’t think the arbites are gonna stop with just killing the cultists

[storm jungle]

Yeah they wont

[polar hill]

NDA broken

Hand over your knees

[tough haven]

If you’re a governor and your planets tithe stops due to an uprising they’re gonna go for you next

[storm jungle]

They said in a blog the narrative team will explain it!

[tough haven]

You’re guilty of failing to stop it

I think margrave is going to meet a shotgun slug to the skull, express delivery

[polar hill]

He might, he might not

It depends on which Margraves are most culpable for the corruption

Some Barquettes may be on the chopping block, too

[plush mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1380353188032417822/Arbites_low.gif

[polar hill]

My Arbitrator's live reaction whenever he eventually has to go through Hab Dreyko guided by Sister Prine and the House representatives:

[sacred ginkgo]

Jugde bread

[crystal forum]

fake arbites fans

all of you

[glossy sonnet]

Arbitrators gotta be one of the top 10 coolest looking things in 40k

[snow fern]

Man I should rewatch Dredd, good movie

Wasn’t there a judge dredd game about fighting zombies and vampires in the city? Seems like it’s come full circle with Darktide.
Do Arbites have psykers like the Judge’s do?

[polar hill]

Not within the Adepta itself

When the Arbites require a Psyker's assistance, they look to the Scholastica Psykana

[snow fern]

I imagine a diviner would be pretty useful to the Arbites.
Wonder what kind of dialogue the Arbites personalities will have with the Savant Psyker

[polar hill]

Also the Judges don't really have psykers either. Anderson was an exception

IIRC at least

[snow fern]

I don’t know jack about judge dredd lore, except like, evil twin brother or somethjng

[queen laurel]

Yeah if they are getting help from a psychic son of a gun they may as well get it from a sanctioned one from the Adeptus Astra Telepathica

[polar hill]

Have, not use, edited

[snow fern]

I wouldn’t expect the Arbites to use an Unsanctioned Psyker, it just seems like a psyker is a useful tool for them to have, but the Imperium being the Imperium, pragmatism is always on the back burner

[polar hill]

Something to understand is that, while there are more Psykers now that the Great Rift has been opened, they're still rare, and sanctioned Psykers are rarer still. It's why the Arbites have detectives and investigators

A Psyker who won't blow up into a daemon portal is nice to have, but they're a luxury, not necessarily the pragmatic approach

[sly ivy]

Also no psyker will for sure not blow up into a hell anus

[plush mason]

yeah its gona be neat to see what the only former enforcer personality has to say about/with the arbitrators

[lofty mason]

Do company and corporations exist in the Imperium? I’m talking about companies like Apple, Disney, or Ford.

[celest dome]

There are Guilds, so kinda

[queen laurel]

Yes

[celest dome]

But most of it has been taken over by Imperium

[storm jungle]

Yeah but they arent usually massive conglomerates, just generally planet or system based businesses.

[astral burrow]

Massive

[celest dome]

Anything bigger would probably be under so much scrutiny from the Administratum

[opaque coyote]

Yes but they're system wide at most

And on some level controlled by the state/Imperium

Patterns are an example of sorts.

With the planet it comes from being what the pattern is named after

Usually a forge world, which could be considered a company.

Necromunda is another example of there being guilds which also count.

So congratulations, there are (in lore) thousands of variations of the simple lasgun

With quality, design, and make differing a lot

Now you might be wondering "Wouldn't this be a logistical hellhole to catalogue all of the different patterns and methods?"

Yes.

Basically the only thing that you can be sure of is that if it works without fucking exploding in your hands.

It's good enough

Also mean that technically some pattern exists of a California Complaint Bullpup Bolter

[storm jungle]

LMAOOOO janovich

comparing yourself to Alfabusa for something like this is also hilarious, fucking drama farming dipshit

[queen laurel]

finally he's leaving

[humble shoal]

Got the recommendation, didnt feel like watching it

And to understand why card games are canon.

[raven stone]

Not my artwork, also stolen from a server elsewhere.

[astral burrow]

Purity seel

[tough haven]

Ok but who could corrupt that lil guy

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-angry-speaking-head-tuco-squidward-gif-13808874276609302886

[celest dome]

@arctic talon Small question, are there any rumours of any warhammer fantasy/AoS games coming sooner or later ?

[copper patrol]

that'd make too much sense for 40k, using a literally space wizard for things

instead of just you know

"burn the witch"

[plush mason]

it does happen though

[copper patrol]

and it's nice to see when it does

a lot of the imperium factions could be( and some are "off-camera") incredibly effective/efficient if they actually used the wacky ass things the universe of 40k provides for them

[raven stone]

Yea, the more radical minded ones can actually be more effective. Especially if they are only radical in doctrine and not actually corrupted by Chaos

There is a thin line, but it does exist.

[arctic talon]

I don’t deal with that side of leaks, but it would seem like no

GW runs a much tighter ship on that sort of stuff

[short terrace]

Chud alert

Chuuuuuud alarm

Why can't we just have a normal community

[storm jungle]

You need to make your messages more convincing

[short terrace]

That would take effort

Not a chance

Saying chud alert is way more fun

[storm jungle]

Then dont bother, its boring.

zzzz inducing even

[short terrace]

But... my echo chamber... my... echos

[forest orbit]

Like recognizes like

[short terrace]

Do not disrespect my ancestors the Great Chuds

[forest orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-saul-goodman-yap-yapper-and-heres-the-yapper-gif-5918036355328019302

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1023110052569169970/1384707566579482674/IMG_9824.png?ex=685368ea&is=6852176a&hm=4fd6858c2113905d267c6d73e652e7e999c34b18a9ab06fbdf4319ed3a32a874&

also is Jannovich finally leaving

thank fuck lol

boring ass generic drama slop

if he had actual evidence for everything he claimed

[storm jungle]

He'll come crawling back.

[arctic talon]

then I wouldn't be mocking his ass

but he didn't

so I will mock him

also he's an asshole

[storm jungle]

LMAO yeah

[arctic talon]

which isn't really like

a horrid thing

but like

thats just another strike

[storm jungle]

also he has like evidence kind of? But like its usual normal GW "dont do that" wrist-slaps. He makes it sound like GW is Disney or something.

his last 4 videos are legit hilarious though

[short terrace]

Him and endymiontv are in a unproven drama leak rumor duel

[storm jungle]

hes such a grifter its kind of pathetic

[arctic talon]

keyword, for everything

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah nah

[arctic talon]

he has evidence for the minor shit

not for stuff he clickbaits

[storm jungle]

the fact that he also makes stormcasts on every thumbnail kinda tells you his mindset

also comparing himself to alfabusa

which is hilarious

[arctic talon]

we do not know his opinion on Sugmar

[storm jungle]

who actually does something with his life and had a very understandable reason to quit

[arctic talon]

I must ask the translator

if he has ever talked about AoS

lol

[short terrace]

Alfabusa actually made something worthwhile

[arctic talon]

Alfabusa also was clearly burnt out as fuck over 40k

lol

rather

TTS

[storm jungle]

When I saw the latest Hunter episodes I realised where like the 20k dollars he makes off of patreon goes to

[arctic talon]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

unironically Hunter is

[storm jungle]

guy has like an entire animation studio rn

[arctic talon]

way better

[forest orbit]

Im legit glad he quit yeah

[arctic talon]

you can feel that he and the VA/Animation team

[forest orbit]

Hunter is unbelievably good

[arctic talon]

care much more

because its not just

goofy funny parody

well

it is partially

[forest orbit]

It is but also isnt

yeah that lol

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah because WoD in itself is goofy

its basically hellboy but tabletop

serious and comedic

[forest orbit]

Hellboy is a very good comparison ye

[arctic talon]

unfortunately Hunter 1e

is the torment nexus

so I have a bad impression of the system lol

[raven stone]

The fan spinoff are fun though, even though I think WoD has a very...US centric...market

[storm jungle]

Yeah it definitely does

also a very tumultous history lol

[raven stone]

For various reasons no less

[arctic talon]

WoD is extremely US centric playerbase wise

which is ironic

because none of Alfabusa's team is American lol

[chrome holly]

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Kuei-jin

[celest dome]

Damn, sad

[arctic talon]

Chinese Vampires

With Katanas

[storm jungle]

dude I love that running joke in Hunter

[arctic talon]

except not all of them are chinese

[storm jungle]

"These kuei-jin sound goofy as hell, theres no way they exist Markus."

[arctic talon]

except all the examples they give are in fucking China towns and chinese

so

which is it

[storm jungle]

AGAIN

WHITE WRITERS

[arctic talon]

They don't exist anymore

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

they're just normal vampires now

they killed them in Hunter 2e

lol

[queen laurel]

Hit them with the all them Asians that speak the funny language are the same

[queen laurel]

This paper is so racist the writer must be snow white

[arctic talon]

their name is also an amalgamation of Japanese and Mandarin, which I assume was actually intentional

wait holy shit

Oh no LOL

THEY'RE CANON TO 2E AGAIN

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[queen laurel]

Why

[arctic talon]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

oh this shits gona be bad

or maybe its better

who knows

[celest dome]

There's lot of problematic writing, like some of the Werewolf writings

[vagrant fox]

Chinatown in VTM:Bloodlines is classic
Everyone's either a drunk former assassin fortuneteller or a kuei-jin there's almost nothing else

[arctic talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_WWkQgT3To

[plush mason]

i mean, dont the WOD werewolves literally require beastiality to procreate?

[short terrace]

WHAT

[plush mason]

yeah

they dont make new werewolves by biting people

[arctic talon]

I think lol

[short terrace]

They are not literally me

[celest dome]

I think it's worse, that's specific to 1 tribe iirc

[arctic talon]

"Werewolves cannot breed among themselves to preserve their lineage; their blood is too potent, and the result is always a deformed Metis. To continue their bloodlines, werewolves must mate with humans and wolves"

nvm this shit got retcon'd

[celest dome]

And it's either an African or Austratlian one

[paper haven]

WOD is amazing.

[plush mason]

figures

[paper haven]

Not because it's any good, mind you

[arctic talon]

I mean the systems are fun

in a

[hallow plover]

Man this makes me want to grab some takout chinese food

[arctic talon]

clusterfuck sort of way

[celest dome]

Ok the one that still have beastiality in their lore i think is the Bunyap, and are Australian natives

[plush mason]

yeah, white dude writers

[arctic talon]

At what point

Do you think they sit down and decided to keep that

For that specific group

And thought “yeah this is probably fine”

[plush mason]

i doubt they got that far

ofc im surpised that all female tribe doesnt also have it still

well i mean they might

[winter vessel]

Did Warrior lodges exist before or after Monarchia’s Burning?

[plush mason]

before iirc

[arctic talon]

Before

They were setup super early on

[winter vessel]

Interesting, always thought it was established after The WB had to lick their wounds and began to sow the seeds of betrayal, or at the very least, express their “opposing opinion” of Big E’s shortcomings with other Astartes from different legions.

[plush mason]

i might be wrong but i think they started doing that in the lodges after monarchia burned

but the system was in place well before that happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKSAri-RyBs

this is gona be good

[winter vessel]

sweet

[celest dome]

So I don't have the Werwolf book yet, so I'm going by some forum stuff I had, and some say it's mostly cause those were not updated or mentioned, will be able to say more in a couple week at the earliest

[plush mason]

ok

they will most likely retcon them too

[celest dome]

Or do a GW Pygmy thing

Bury it and never mention it ever

[arctic talon]

Well

They did mention them

They just retcon’d that look

And lore

[celest dome]

For the GW Pygmy ?

[arctic talon]

yeah

they get mentioned

in the lizardmen army books

also now bloodbowl

[copper patrol]

are they just southland (or lustrian?) halflings now?

[dapper gyro]

I'm about to go to one of GW portal in Ottawa. Will see how many beasts of nurgle around there.

[crystal forum]

a desk light i use at work has its safety certification sticker expired before i was born

i find that funny

[normal bluff]

@humble socket
https://youtu.be/QL19beIJSE0?si=SlOErsO48hSISNig

WOOOOOORLLLLDDD EATTTTTEEEERRRRR

[humble socket]

while we are on that

https://youtu.be/sAtIJBE0m6g?si=LCeS05j3Ky4nkdy1

[normal bluff]

You're speaking my tongue now, pilgrim

https://youtu.be/F16h0ZQ1Uzw?si=Ml16za1H1ner26gx

[short terrace]

*pyre

[opaque coyote]

"must mate with humans and wolves"

💀

The local Werewolf seeing a particularly thick female wolf:

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-gif-4656385985544318455

Thank god it got retconned

The implications of that are horrific to say the least

[polar hill]

That's quite a few miles beyond "implication"

There's hardly a lot left to the imagination when one writes "They bang wolves"

[dapper gyro]

The most disappointing official store ever.

[short terrace]

Least relatable activity

[languid meadow]

WtA lore either being really cool or dog shit

a tale as old as time

[celest dome]

Hunter the Reckoning is good, want to try Werewolf soon

[crystal forum]

i should start a 40k trivia challenge night for this channel

would actually make it fun

[young pecan]

That would be neat

[astral burrow]

Nighty

[late osprey]

me asf waiting for New Antioch to use more than shotguns

[languid meadow]

do you mean using more shotguns? cause they mostly use rifles and SMGs.

[polar hill]

I thought this was Avarax for a second

[rose thorn]

Why is trnch crusade arguments on twitter the literal stupidest shit ever

It looks like it has worse media literacy than 40K fans

[languid meadow]

a lot of them are 40k fans

[storm jungle]

^

mostly the reason why

[raven stone]

Correction: a lot of them are THAT segment of (ex) 40k fans.
As in, the segment that thinks GW has gone “woke” and thus unworthy of their devotion now.

[languid meadow]

I wouldn't say a lot of TC fans are those 40k fans, they exist no doubt but they've been excised from the community pretty heavily. At least in the main parts of it like the discord and reddit

https://tenor.com/view/cappie-miside-mita-cool-mita-awkward-gif-14361103878834243405

[raven stone]

Ah that is good

[languid meadow]

yeah there was this whole thing when women custodes came out and they tried to go to TC and most of them got insta banned by the mods and devs

[humble shoal]

rewatching this, its actually a pretty good parody of the eric andre show

[opaque coyote]

So I have always wanted to make a zombie story for no reason

Basically whether humanity beats the zombie plague or not doesn't matter as it's somewhat localized in a state.

Basically just a group desperately trying to escape the quarantine

But I wonder if the traditional vanilla Zombie Plague would be enough to have the military "lose" enough to have to quarantine a state in the USA.

By traditional I mean

Not airborne, it's spread through fluids and scratches and all that junk

[dapper gyro]

It would be very difficult if it is not an extremely fast outbreak.

[opaque coyote]

I'm thinking of like

The water supply in Los Angeles or some other huge ass city being poisoned

And by the time it's noticed, two weeks have already passed

And well, a lot of people drink out of the tap

[dapper gyro]

It could do with that.

[opaque coyote]

I always liked localized zombies more

If that makes sense

Like Resident Evil

Raccoon City is still a favorite of mine

[dapper gyro]

In RE, they decided to nuke the city within a day of the outbreak is always illogical for me.

But whatever

[opaque coyote]

I also thought about the plague basically having people be asymptomatic for a while.

Until they suddenly meet a non-infected person, then they just suddenly go bananas

Like you feel fine

You're just doing your normal thing

Then you meet somebody

You black out

Wake up

And you've bitten somebody in the neck

Like all the infected act like regular people until they see an uninfected person

Then they just suddenly turn animalistic

[opaque coyote]

I think it took like a week or two?

Since it started with the virus supply accidentally being poured in the water supply

Also I think it's partially as a coverup

Because well the US military bought a lot of shit from Umbrella

The nuke gets rid of the zombies, bioweapons, and any evidence that the government was involved

It's also why Mr. X and Nemesis are sent after you

They're primarily there to prevent anybody who survived from getting out.

If the zombies didn't get you. Then the 8 foot tall bulletproof man with a trenchcoat will.

That's also why Mr. X specifically went after somebody in a jail cell that was imprisoned for attempting to leak info

[dapper gyro]

There was little military presence during the outbreak, as if they weren't there at all in preparation for a big boom from the start.

[opaque coyote]

Although I forgot whether the protag's like Leon are actually immune to the virus itself or if it's just a CoD type of situation

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think canonically the outbreak lasted for two weeks

Just fast enough to not muster up a military response but slow enough to have the government decide "Nuke"

[dapper gyro]

Someone like Leon and Claire are from outside of the city, yet they didn't know what happened.

[opaque coyote]

The police did actually try though, both in the original and remake.

Which is more than I can say for a lot of USA cops

[dapper gyro]

Jill was working at RCPD, and she was surprised by the outbreak.

[opaque coyote]

Unfortunately due to the Resident Evil zombies being uh

Fucking tough as shit

[dapper gyro]

Hence my comment of the lack of military presence if the outbreak already started for a while.

[opaque coyote]

Tbf she was forced on "vacation", was hiding in her apartment, and was also preparing to leave

And then, if we go with the remake, Nemesis just kinda uhhh

Fucking came out of nowhere

[dapper gyro]

Lol... The US can deploy the military to LA in 2 days with nearly a thousand troops... Yet nuking your people is an easier solution??? Right.

[opaque coyote]

Again. Probably to erase the evidence

Soldiers can report that the government was making deals with Umbrella to create bioweapons

A nuke wipes it away

[dapper gyro]

Even though zombies in RE are tough, it showed that the military can still wipe them out.

[languid meadow]

well the nuke was dropped for 2 reasons, one to keep certain things secret and two the outbreak was genuinely out of control and made even worse when Umbrella dropped BOWs on the town

[opaque coyote]

Again I think the BOW was to prevent anybody from leaking what exactly happened

By hunting down survivors

But judging by the fact that in RE4, umbrella got fucking dismantled

Safe to say that didn't work

But tbf do you expect a company that creates shit like the Lickers to be sane?

[copper patrol]

umbrella's whole schtick is being cartoonishly evil tbf

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

Umbrella is just insane in general and honestly?

I can't help but fucking love it

Like the concept itself is hilarious

[dapper gyro]

Most of the bosses never see a 12.7mm MG firing at them.

[opaque coyote]

Like the equivalent to Umbrella is like if

Walgreens made zombies and bioweapons

For the military

And they have a secret underground laboratory

Like Umbrella is just doing it for the love of the game

[languid meadow]

the only BOWs that was deployed to actively hunt people down were the Tyrants and Nemesis, there were more BOWs deployed which umbrella used to get combat data

[opaque coyote]

And honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that they work their employees like garbage.

[languid meadow]

but judging by RE9s trailer that nuke did jack all

[opaque coyote]

It sounds fucking fun to work there

Like

Creating Mr. X

Sounds fun

You have to admit that

[opaque coyote]

Also there are multiple Mr. X's in the original

But it's unknown if there is for the remake

[languid meadow]

Yeah he's a Tyrant

[dapper gyro]

Tyrant is a classification

[opaque coyote]

I think that considering HUNK encountered one that's fully intact in his mode. I would say

Probably

[dapper gyro]

I think there were only 2 in the original timeline.

[opaque coyote]

Although I like to think that it's the same one that hunted both Claire and Leon.

When he got sliced by Sherry's dad, it's what caused him to mutate.

[languid meadow]

yes that's what my original message means, Tyrants as in plural and then saying "he's a Tyrant" like saying they're a cop

[opaque coyote]

I think the only thing that is severely disappointing with the RE2 remake is that

They didn't do enough with A and B

With the potential mixups that could happen

Like for example, there should be the choice to choose between the shotgun and grenade launcher for both Claire and Leon.

If one side takes say... The shotgun, the other doesn't have it.

[nocturne crest]

Huh.

[languid meadow]

I do find it funny that a lot of the games make it seem that the US gov and Umbrella are not on good terms and it's prob the same with the remake

[opaque coyote]

Tbf imagine having a good deal with a company

Only for them to accidentally start a zo.bie outnreak

And their way of fixing it?

Dropping more bioweapons

[languid meadow]

no I mean like even beforehand

the US was spying on umbrella from the start since they didn't trust them one bit

no deals going bad

just "hey those guys are shady asf"

[opaque coyote]

It is funny to imagine like a US Government negotiator trying desperately to just

Comprehend their mindset

"Why would you even- what?"

[languid meadow]

they were spying on umbrella and were weary of them but just didn't do anything about them until it got out of hand with raccoon city

[arctic talon]

Black Friday

[languid meadow]

awesome patch note

[tough haven]

Ork meme dump time

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but could anyone see GW letting Zen Studios make a 40k digital pinball game?

[copper patrol]

shoulda made it more likely 😔

[winter vessel]

was deleting some old files when i came across this recording i made last year. forgot how hilariously entertaining Maxed out V is in the game

[tough haven]

If theres a sequel to that game thats higher quality than the first, I'd buy it

Also probably with more cyberware options

[winter vessel]

i'd like more addition to cosmetic cybernetics, not just my face but properly modify the full body in the base game

make my skin shiny

[polar ridge]

I’d rather they put all their focus on Orion than add more to 2077

[tough haven]

No I mean like creating another cyberpunk game

[shadow plover]

My only hope for a possible sequel is that they make the gameplay more enjoyable 😔

[opaque coyote]

I honestly hope that the sequel will focus more on the RPG aspect

Like the action is fun don't get me wrong

But I feel like the biggest problem with Cyberpunk 2077 is that most of the ways you solve problems is through murder

and tbf that is fun.

But I'd like the option to NOT murder.

[shadow plover]

that too! although the action really isn't that enjoyable when the gameplay is so clunky and stiff

[opaque coyote]

I honestly think the gameplay itself is smooth, but there's one issue

The balancing

The game suffers from what I would like to call Fallout 4 syndrome at the hardest difficulty

"Great, this guy is taking 1000 shots to kill!"

I get that most of the inhabitants literally have metal in their body

But I don't think even with a chromed out skeleton, that the regular fucking Ganger should be able to take 100 bullets

[shadow plover]

I feel the closest comparison to the gameplay feel of Cyberpunk is Necromunda Hired Gun, which really isn't a high praise

though it's chaff enemies don't have the bullet sponginess problem iirc

[winter vessel]

i would like them to draw more on the specific career skills for each role you would play on a Cyberpunk RED run. beyond just the additional dialogue options you have for "StreetKid", "Nomad" and "Corpo" for 2077. have the player learn the limitations and advantages you can build on. Sometimes you can't come out on top of a fight, you got to run or avoid them

but that brings me to the topic of removing the ability to change between roles/skillsets during a playthrough. Where, once you choose a role at the start, that's it.

[opaque coyote]

Although it might be hard considering Netrunning is like

a separate minigame thing with it's own complicated "world"

It would be cool to become more netrunner focused?

IDK how the fuck that would work. I just think it'd be cool

Y'know how Oblivion allowed you to create your own spells

How about that but for Hacks

You're not just being fed to the Blackwall, you're also gonna have your dick evaporated before hand

Like V will never be a netrunner, they're more just "Look I got a program that sends you to hell"

[winter vessel]

it would be a lot to unpack and keep track of. Every class has the ability to fight, just some would do well for others. it'd be cool for like a Techie they allow them to have their own personal escort of drones and combat androids that you can create and customize. the more you advance the more blueprints you can get. and they'd be the ones to tinker with the internals of a gun whereas a Solo is limited to attachments

[opaque coyote]

I think that generally Techies, Borgs, and Stealth should be like the three main pillars

IDK

Either way I do think that generally limitations are actually necessary

In some regard

It's cooler to specialize

Than just

Being a jack of all trades

Although tbf that's also fun as well

Like I think they tried somewhat in 2077 but it isn't really enough?

It feels a bit messy

[winter vessel]

exactly. some roles in the RPG carry one or two skills that they share, but i'd rather they not get the full package.

[opaque coyote]

Although tbh CD Projekt Red is carried by their writers and lore to a degree.

[opaque coyote]

Again if there is two things that would be awesome but also would be severely complicated to implement.

Cyberpsychosis and Netrunning

Netrunning could be implemented to a degree. Maybe with Cyberspace being accessible via chair and being a hub with some activities.

Cyberpsychosis would mostly be aesthetic though.

Again, if they had like a Fallout Speech System, Cyberpsychosis could be interesting. But with how 2077 works right now, it'd be hard.

[winter vessel]

I'd think Netrunners and Solo would have more vulnerability to that drawback considering one is diving into the abyss of the net where artificial horrors dwell and the latter having to keep modifying themselves just to get the edge that they lose any self-awareness

some kinda "damage over time"? thing

[opaque coyote]

I mean Solos are basically more like a job

basically they're mercs

although Netrunner technically is also?

But it requires some specialization.

[opaque coyote]

As for Cyberpsychosis. I remember talking about it earlier, but I imagined it'd mainly affect social aspects.

Basically by chroming up, it's easier for fight for sure.

But now you're scarier by looking like a Chaos Tech Priest rather than a proper human shaped individual

High-functioning Cyberpsychos are a thing. So I imagine that if a protagonist has to have cyberpsychosis, it'd be high functioning to keep some type of agency.

[winter vessel]

Solo: "I have become the Shawarma Grill Machine" incinerates target

[opaque coyote]

But essentially, I think generally social requirements would be higher as a result. Romances could be blocked for some individuals since well uh

They might not be into somebody who's one step away from snapping and murdering entire groups of people.

[winter vessel]

hmmmm they have the option to write in a character who digs that kinda crazy

but true

[opaque coyote]

To simulate this somewhat, there would be a chance where if you're combat or even start it. Everybody just becomes a shadow. Absolutely unidentifiable even with information.

So you could accidentally kill some poor civilian thinking they're an enemy.

[median star]

i mean you can still be absolutely chromed to hell and majority of it be subdermal

[opaque coyote]

Since everybody is also marked hostile.

[winter vessel]

i had the idea of digitized silhouettes

[opaque coyote]

I was thinking of it kinda being similar to Maine where it's a black square, but I realized that people would think it's weird. So yeah generally digitized silhouettes would be better

[winter vessel]

like, before you really get over the edge, you can still distinguish based on color (red or blue smth), but once your past the point of no return theres just one color

[opaque coyote]

But generally, because it's a video game, you have to do the random massacres yourself

Sorry

Still though, things like obsfucating who's an enemy and who's just a regular civilian would help with that

somewhat

[winter vessel]

a shame CDPR didn't have "Lawman" as one of the starting backgrounds. like, i feel that role could substitute "Street Kid"

[opaque coyote]

I thought of Immunoblockers actually helping with the social aspect though

[winter vessel]

make them hella expensive

[opaque coyote]

True.

Also Immunoblockers implies that cyberpsychosis is a biological reaction.

Like it's the body reacting badly to the chrome inside of you.

Which is why you're going crazy.

[winter vessel]

it'd be cool if there were varying categories for vendors to provide you the suppressants

say if it was a back alley doctor

the duration wouldn't last long because the quality is cheap

[opaque coyote]

also it'd be funny that unless if it's high quality shit, it has a chance to make it worse

[winter vessel]

yeah

kinda like, amplifies the effect of psychosis

rn im thinking of the three tier system

[opaque coyote]

I also thought of cyberpsychosis doing shit like making the health bar giltch so you don't know how "damaged" you are.

Which simulates how cyberpsychos literally just fight until they're either knocked out or die.

But it'd also buff you in combat.

[winter vessel]

damage stat booster maybe?

draw back is your health is dropping quick even without being attacked

there are multiple possibilities to explore, but sadly can't fit everything in one game.

[opaque coyote]

true

TTRPG being put into a video game moment

Probably why a lot of 40k games suck tbh

...

well ignoring the fact that GW loves putting microtranscations into them for no reason

well one reason

(MONNEYY!!!)

I wish for the alt. universe where 40k Fire Warrior was actually good.

Btw despite the book actually being fun, the game itself fucking sucks.

Feels outdated even when it released it's actually awful.

It is cool for a second for the novelty of actually playing as a non-human but still.

[winter vessel]

if anything, come next title "Orion", they really improve and expand the gameplay. I'd like to talk my way out of it instead of pulling out my iron and blade. and instead of just street cred you can build a reputation with a particular faction. but the cost of siding with one is, while it'll boost your SC faster, it will look unfavorably for other gangs/corps. before eventually, its KOS for you.

can't imagine my disappointment when they were showing off the gangs for 2077 and i was a fool thinking i could align with one

[opaque coyote]

Yeah this is the main criticism I have for 2077 and Orion would be wonderful for having it

The ability to actually talk out of situations

Fallout NV is fun partially because you can talk your way out

and if you want to, just solve everything but shooting the place up

options!

[winter vessel]

barter system

i miss that

[arctic talon]

Tbf

[languid meadow]

we shall hope but since Orion will have 2 cities apparently I'm slightly worried

[opaque coyote]

You singlehandely preventing the invasion of New Vegas by giving Legate Lanius a war supply and economic lesson

[arctic talon]

Well

its prolly Night City + chicago

or some shit lol

[winter vessel]

birmingham

[languid meadow]

it's not Chicago

[opaque coyote]

Looks the same

Go figure

[languid meadow]

just inspired by it

[arctic talon]

lol

I was about to say Chicago got fucking virus bombed

by Arasaka

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I do wish that some areas in 2077 beyond night city were explored.

I think Japan would be interesting considering well

Arasaka

[arctic talon]

Night City is way smaller in 2077 in terms of like

actual content

[languid meadow]

Mike Pondsmith says it's gonna the "Chicago gone wrong" city and Night City

[arctic talon]

then Night city in the tabletop lol

so I hope they don't reinvent the fucking wheel

lol

just add more to Night City

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, this.

[winter vessel]

so long as i get this as a dlc in some capacity in terms of "new Location"

[opaque coyote]

Make Chicago gone wrong a DLC area.

[arctic talon]

The Moon?

maybe lol

its for rich people

[opaque coyote]

We get to meet an older Lucy

yippee.

[arctic talon]

she probably did not stay on the moon

[opaque coyote]

Probably not

Her saying the Moon is just trying to find a place where she was happy

She found one with David.

[arctic talon]

not night city

get out of night city

[languid meadow]

suicide honestly

[opaque coyote]

Is Night City even the worst place in 2077?

[languid meadow]

yeah

[arctic talon]

in the NUSA yes

lol

by far

Night City is the worst fucking city

to live in ever

[opaque coyote]

fantastic, why do people even move there?

[arctic talon]

upside, lots of opprotunity

cheap rent

downside

everything else

Oh also public services are nice

in Night City

lots of corporate jobs

ect.

[languid meadow]

I wonder how ass living in cyberpunks version of the Soviet Union is

[arctic talon]

Its

ass

lol

[opaque coyote]

Why the fuck does Night City have a better tram system than New York wtf

[arctic talon]

Its about as awful as Night city

[arctic talon]

because it was privately built by one dude

Called Mr.Night

no

[opaque coyote]

Fantastic.

We should go there

[arctic talon]

this isn't a joke

[winter vessel]

Philippines is about the same...just worse

[arctic talon]

The USSR is also capitalist

in Cyberpunk

lo

sorry uh

[opaque coyote]

Alright so up in the same territory as Ferrus Manus and Goge Vandire.

[arctic talon]

Communism with Soviet Characteristics

lol

[opaque coyote]

A w e s o m e .

[arctic talon]

Because China got conquered by Taiwan in Cyberpunk

💀

[languid meadow]

lmao

[arctic talon]

what did Pondsmith mean by this

[winter vessel]

on the moon, the funny thing is if i could get control of the Mass Drivers that catapult raw materials into Earth's orbit. and the European Space Agency dropped a rock on Tampa Bay from orbit.,,i wanna drop a rock on Paris

[opaque coyote]

Isn't Hong Kong basically filled with AI btw?

[arctic talon]

Same with the middle east glassing itself

yeah hong kong is filled with AI

mostly friendly

oh also Alt is there

[opaque coyote]

Would be fun to go there

[arctic talon]

lol

[arctic talon]

its kind of a nuked out mess

[opaque coyote]

So that's why it's mainly filled with AI

[arctic talon]

Pondsmith somehow not being absurdly offensive with other regions in Cyberpunk 2020

GJ pondsmith

lol

[opaque coyote]

No flesh mfs can stand living there

[winter vessel]

get there and every screen is just streaming Cocomelon 24/7

[arctic talon]

yeah it got wiped out by a plague

nvm

[opaque coyote]

Still only slightly more brain melting than 2077's ads

[languid meadow]

Ah I love how most of the Soviet corpos have Sov in their names lmao

[opaque coyote]

hong kong?

[winter vessel]

NICOLA TASTE THE LOVE

[arctic talon]

yeah hong kong got bioweaponed

[queen laurel]

Is cyberpunk one of the censored words in the Chinese keyboard?

[arctic talon]

by Arasaka

lol

idfk

[opaque coyote]

Probably why only AI are there then

[arctic talon]

I think Cyberpunk red is banned

in China lol

Cyberpunk 2077

does not mention the part where Kang Tao

you know

invaded china

and took it over

[winter vessel]

really Japan in Cyberpunk is the closest to having some function of society

[opaque coyote]

Thought it would be banned because

Blood

Sex

Blood and Sex

[arctic talon]

no

actually maybe it is

idfk

[opaque coyote]

nah also a hellhole

[arctic talon]

every country is a hellhole

lol

well

every large coutnry

[opaque coyote]

yeah but Japan is especially

[arctic talon]

Japan is like the US

where a corporation and the government are the same

[opaque coyote]

I think the wealth disparity is somehow more than Night City

[arctic talon]

its unclear

[queen laurel]

just searched it up china hasn't banned 2077

[arctic talon]

Tokyo is awful

[opaque coyote]

wow that isl ike

[arctic talon]

unless you're a corpo

lol

[queen laurel]

Well hopefully they don't find out about the funny lore you see

[languid meadow]

Glad the Soviets have swag still

[opaque coyote]

the #1 game I expected to be banned

[opaque coyote]

honestly

Tokyo would be a fun place to explore

[queen laurel]

oh it definitely will be if they discovered the chinese lore

but as of now it's not really mentioned in 2077 so it's good

[arctic talon]

ngl

Wish 2077 had weapon grades

for companies

then again

people prolly wouldn't like some guns being objectively shittier

because the company who made them is worse

lol

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I wish for actual LMGs

there's like two

[arctic talon]

ngl

Cyberpunk 2077's SovOil logo

is ass

cmon

now this shit

[opaque coyote]

I was thinking of like

Guns that are lower tier are often from cheaper companies

But you are able to upgrade them.

To actually be good

But they're purely lower tier drops.

If that makes any sense?

I mean that's kinda the thing in 2077 but for every gun so

[arctic talon]

Techtronika's guns in lore

are total fucking ass lol

[queen laurel]

Is that the top leading oil company in cyberpunk?

[winter vessel]

saddest thing i have to do to even enjoy drip is thru mods

[arctic talon]

SovOil?

[opaque coyote]

"What have you got"

"Literally just a regular double barrel shotgun"

[arctic talon]

for actual petroleum yes

[opaque coyote]

"...anything else?"

[arctic talon]

for alternatives no

[opaque coyote]

"Double barrel shotgun with teslas attached to it"

[arctic talon]

Petrochem is bigger

SovOil is the second biggest

they fought a war over ths

SovOil one but they crippled themselves beating the shit out of PetroChem

lol

also biotechnica is friendlier with PetroChem

because they're both American companies

[winter vessel]

Biotechnica lore is also nuts

[languid meadow]

God I forgot how insane the timeline is

[arctic talon]

Biotechncia is fucked up lol

[languid meadow]

EU/Soviets vs the US

Colorado gets a rock dropped on it

[arctic talon]

Biotechnica is like one of the most evil fucking companies

[languid meadow]

crazy year 2008

[arctic talon]

which is saying a lot

lol

[opaque coyote]

Sasha moment

I think her death was basically pointless as it only caused the product to be delayed by like

a week

[arctic talon]

Because you're competing with arasaka

and militech

and I'd say biotechnica has probably commited more atrocities

[opaque coyote]

Which like

Is sad and also unfortunately realistic.

[arctic talon]

Ngl I'm also annoyed how few corporations

are in 2077

like

there's so few

I don't need to see them all

just like

make some fucking ADs

[winter vessel]

i wished Lazarus Group was there

[arctic talon]

or some art assets

[opaque coyote]

tbf some are there but like

just background at best

but fair

the ads are fucking hilarious in my opinion

They're like

Mobile Gaming Ads in tone

but much higher effort

if that makes any sense

[arctic talon]

They're not enough

is the issue

They don't have enough of the

like Corps

no WorldSat

smh

the second most important internet company

[opaque coyote]

True, we should also see some

low quality ass mobile game ads for shits and giggles

"CAN YOU SAVE HER???"
shows borderline pornographic ad

[winter vessel]

also, for a variety of Nomad clans there are. we visually only see two in 2077

[opaque coyote]

"PLAY OUR SHITTY MOBILE GAME NOW!!"

[arctic talon]

We see 3

technically

but barely

Also we only see a splinter of the Aldecaldos

tbh

one of the freindlier splinters

I kind of hate they don't dive into any of the shady shit they do lol

like human trafficking

which is their big thing lol

[winter vessel]

I waned to see the Jodes

[opaque coyote]

tbf human trafficking is probably so common in 2077 that they just don't care

[arctic talon]

The Aldecaldos are presented as pretty

moral

which they aren't

but thats fine

lol

[opaque coyote]

"Yeah stacy got stolen by the aldecaldos"

"again? ugh i'm gonna have to find a new friend"

[winter vessel]

kinda got that vibe when we do that gig involving Hwangbo