It doesn't help that Ubisoft made the game worse
#40k-lore-chat
opaque coyote
Because Ubisoft
Apparently these expert operators from around the globe
With at least a decade of counter terrorism experience
Can't handle the mighty recoil of a 9mm smg
queen laurel
so basically take one of the most annoying things you can deal with in the game and turn it into a super weapon
opaque coyote
They wield it like they have fucking Parkinson's.
arctic talon
anyways if you want Player Genocide paths you have 3 options from 3 DLCs
opaque coyote
God forbid you get a gun that actually kicks
How the FUCK DO YOU MAKE A MEME WEAPON META TWICE
TWICE
arctic talon
Biogenesis: Behemoths(giant space creatures that eat everything)
Nemesis: Galactic Acension(blow up stars, turn your civlization into gods
Machine Age: Cosmogeneisis(I heard you like science)
Cosmogenesis is pretty much creating a new universe from scratch
using nothing but science
also you build THE LATHE
queen laurel
Biogenesis: Behemoths(giant space creatures that eat everything)
Nemesis: Galac...
Say theoretically I get the game which DLCS do I need to become a genocidal maniac with control of the most dangerous monsters in the universe
opaque coyote
How the FUCK DO YOU MAKE A MEME WEAPON META **TWICE**
"mmm yes let's make every gun so awful to use that the meme gun that's only made for people with good aim is meta"
opaque coyote
Tbf the BOSG is fun as shit
arctic talon
How the FUCK DO YOU MAKE A MEME WEAPON META **TWICE**
because they made all the guns awful
lol
the BOSG ended up being good
arctic talon
anyways the synaptic lathe is hilarious
because it does exactly what it says on the tin
arctic talon
it is a lathe for brains
opaque coyote
arctic talon
you shove people in
and the lathe uses them to process information
and then you replace them with more people when they die
opaque coyote
and the lathe uses them to process information
Ngl sounds like something from the Imperium
Actually does a similar thing exist
I mean there needs to be higher processing power for some things
But that would require AI
Which the Imperium hates
arctic talon
THE LATHE
arctic talon
But that would require AI
you don't need AI to make it ironically
you also can use sapient machines in the lathe
its not picky
opaque coyote
**THE LATHE**
...you wanna know the funniest part.
The only time I've seen something similar is in Sonic the Hedgehog
Specifically the Archie Comics
Eggman basically made the exact same thing
It also sucks out your energy and turns you into a withered husk
arctic talon
lol
opaque coyote
It was inefficient, he even said it himself, but he basically did it for the lols
arctic talon
Look, my synaptic lathe is helping me figure out how to make a new universe from scratch
also if you have a federation with all pacifists and trial by combat is the sucession method. you get this blurb for it
opaque coyote
lol
Also it was used for the wackiest retcon ever.
Basically, Archie Comics went wild with it's own lore for a while, but Sega finally paid attention and wanted it the characters to be in line with canon
That also includes ages
Charmy the Bee in the western lore/Archie Comics was a teenager and a prince. He also had a girlfriend.
But Charmy in Japan is actually 6 years old
opaque coyote
So what did they do? Funny deaging shenanigans?
Nope
Charmy was stuck in the Egg Grapes
Was subject to it's effects for two seconds
And it damaged his brain so much that he reverted back into a 6 year old
With his girlfriend Saffron, now basically his caretaker due to her boyfriend becoming a child in mentality.
Also before this, his entire kingdom got genocided by eggman
Like straight up exterminated, Charmy and his girlfriend were like the last survivors
Poor poor Saffron
At least he still has Saffron...
Until she got kidnapped along with Julie-Su
Then due to some copyright issues, they did a final crisis style thing and the comic got rebooted because they needed to remove some characters. Including Saffron.
So technically the last moment with pre-reboot Charmy was Knuckles having to tell him that his caretaker/girlfriend is now kidnapped into another fucking dimension.
The Sonic Archie Comics were fucking wild.
Technically also the longest running video game comic
arctic talon
this sounds like what happens when there's no creative oversight so writers just go fucking crazy(in a good way) lol
opaque coyote
this sounds like what happens when there's no creative oversight so writers just...
Honestly that's exactly what happened
Video games weren't taken seriously in the 90's
So video game comics was basically just ignored
The pre-reboot was essentially a result of little creative oversight.
Of course, this caused the quality to also be inconsistent. Both in art and writing.
You can get absolute peak
Or absolute dogshit
arctic talon
reminder, you can make marketable plushies of your giant galaxy ending creatures
opaque coyote
reminder, you can make marketable plushies of your giant galaxy ending creatures
💀
What do behemoths even look like
Give me a sec
arctic talon
opaque coyote
Y'know honestly
queen laurel
How many do you need of these two humble a tyranid fleet
opaque coyote
I actually would buy a plushie of those
queen laurel
probably just one right
arctic talon
How many do you need of these two humble a tyranid fleet
It literally eats a planet in one bite
queen laurel
It literally eats a planet in one bite
yeah literally just one then
opaque coyote
Reminds me of the Sea Dragon Leviathans from Subnautica
arctic talon
they're pretty vulnerable as babies
but they grow fast lol
You can only have a few fully grown ones
but the adolescent and normal adult ones are commonish
opaque coyote
they're pretty vulnerable as babies
Is the behemoth crisis basically just raising them as pets/bio weapons
arctic talon
Yeah
queen laurel
You can only have a few fully grown ones
Class IV?
arctic talon
ye
opaque coyote
"Oh who's a good little planet destroyer? You are! Yes you are!
Now fetch!"
Behemoth eats a moon
arctic talon
Class 1 can like
match a fleet
thats not too big
class 2 is a match for most fleets aside from dedicated leviathan/large ship killing fleets
opaque coyote
You can only have a few fully grown ones
Is it weird that I really want to see like
arctic talon
class 3 is more then a match for any single fleet
opaque coyote
Tyranids match against a gigantic space beast
queen laurel
class 3 is more then a match for any single fleet
class 4 is a living breathing disaster
arctic talon
Class 4 literally fucking mauls everything aside from other late game player crisis or x10+ NPC crisis's
queen laurel
Class 4 literally fucking mauls everything aside from other late game player cri...
and you can have more than one of those
opaque coyote
How many Hive Fleets would it take to fight a Class 4 Behemoth and win
opaque coyote
I mean I think it depends on like
The arm of sorts
From the Tyranid mass
Give me a sec lemme find a map
queen laurel
how big is a hivefleet lol
A lot
they are almost always expressed as locus like hordes
of ships floating through space
arctic talon
in any case
opaque coyote
Idk then
opaque coyote
True
arctic talon
Behemoth fury is probably the most benign Player crisis
because its not mandatory genocide
arctic talon
lol
opaque coyote
What is biogenesis anyways
arctic talon
nah
opaque coyote
Behemoth fury is probably the most benign Player crisis
Oh rhis
arctic talon
it just introduces more biological acension options
and stuff
Behemoth fury is the behemoths
lol
opaque coyote
So what do you just like
queen laurel
Behemoth fury is probably the most benign Player crisis
OK but like doing a crisis path is kind of already putting a target on yourself really because like
opaque coyote
Pull a USA and threaten anybody that goes slightly out of line with the behemoths
queen laurel
What sane individual will let you have a planet eating monstrosity
arctic talon
Pull a USA and threaten anybody that goes slightly out of line with the behemoth...
pretty much
queen laurel
You can get multiple of by the way
queen laurel
you wanting to rule/destroy the galaxy
"dude why do you have 5 behemoths"
for research purposes
arctic talon
Cosmogenesis is make a new universe from scratch
nemesis is destroy the galaxy and ascend
Behemoth fury is rule the galaxy
we're likely getting another player crisis with the psionic dlc
opaque coyote
I think the weirdest part is that I think that Honkai Star Rail, a Gacha game, has bootleg Tyranids but they're actually more destructive than the actual Tyranids.
queen laurel
we're likely getting another player crisis with the psionic dlc
biogenesis also has other biology related things right
arctic talon
yeah
queen laurel
Like bio weaponry and shit
arctic talon
Egalitarian being stronger then Authoritarian for Stellaris's entire existance
is funny as fuck
There's not been a single time
where authoritarian as a ethic is better
arctic talon
the one upside is authoritarian is easy as shit to play
with stratified economy
but Egalitarian lets you pop Utopian Abundance early on and just shit out free unity and happiness
opaque coyote
the one upside is authoritarian is easy as shit to play
I mean that also makes sense
arctic talon
Militarist being stronger then pacifist is also another one
thats always consistent
opaque coyote
Stellaris really stating the obvious here
arctic talon
because turns out fighting war is an effective way to protect yourself
rather then waiting
opaque coyote
Militarist being stronger then pacifist is also another one
So the optimal play style is essentially
arctic talon
Egalitarian Militarist is very strong
opaque coyote
"I AM FORCING YOU TO ENJOY MY UTOPIA."
opaque coyote
"YOU WILL BE HAPPY AND GET FREE FOOD AND WATER."
opaque coyote
https://tenor.com/view/rescue-congratulations-rogueone-rogue-one-gif-7378649
Literally
copper patrol
the egalitarian militarist robots
arctic talon
Thats just Rogue Servitors
aka "mandatory pampering"
lol
all biological populations are bio trophies
that the robots take care of
opaque coyote
all biological populations are bio trophies
Reminds me of The Culture.
From Ian Banks
opaque coyote
Since that's basically the case for the AI
They literally take care of humans because they want to
arctic talon
also since Rogue Servitors are hivemind only
there's an event where they pretend to let bio trophies rebel
lol
opaque coyote
there's an event where they pretend to let bio trophies rebel
"Alright just let them have a temper tantrum. They'll calm down eventually."
💀
copper patrol
it's somehow both sweet and horrifying at the same time
arctic talon
"oh no, you blew up this super important facility that totally wasn't made out of soft materials"
copper patrol
the whole concept I mean
arctic talon
yeah
opaque coyote
it's somehow both sweet and horrifying at the same time
Like a parent clapping at a little kid drawing a picture
arctic talon
tbh there is some creepier stuff
copper patrol
I mean there is a flesh planet isn't there
opaque coyote
tbh there is some creepier stuff
Lemme guess. Forced happy pills
arctic talon
there's a line about how there's an idea to seperate babies from their parents
so that the children identify the robots
opaque coyote
Oh no
arctic talon
as their primary caregiver
opaque coyote
arctic talon
and therfore never will need patrol drones to make sure they don't try and escape and stuff
opaque coyote
and therfore never will need patrol drones to make sure they don't try and escap...
Well that's disturbing
Makes sense though
opaque coyote
Is it like flavor text or can you control that
opaque coyote
but it makes happiness higher
💀
arctic talon
also "we have found that small amounts of ingested ethanol will do wonders for stimulating organic reproductive rates."
opaque coyote
That actually is a really cool concept ngl
Like instead of the AI being like
"I want to destroy my creators"
It's just the AI being like
copper patrol
I'd also suggest looking into rimworld archotechs if you like interesting AI stuff
arctic talon
"I know whats best for my creators and I will take care of them forever"
opaque coyote
"STOP TRYING TO DESTROY EACH OTHER. NO. STOP IT!"
arctic talon
I'd also suggest looking into rimworld archotechs if you like interesting AI stu...
I love rimworld tbh
its fun
opaque coyote
also "we have found that small amounts of ingested ethanol will do wonders for s...
So getting drunk
arctic talon
Yes
opaque coyote
I mean
arctic talon
thats the joke
opaque coyote
I thought alcohol actually lowers fertility
arctic talon
thats why it said small
copper patrol
it's the bad decisions part thats important
arctic talon
there's also some fun empire government types in stellaris
which are easter eggs since they don't effect gameplay
but I think its nice that they added so many
opaque coyote
which are easter eggs since they don't effect gameplay
Damn
Oh wait
It's basically just flavor text
Is what you're saying
Well that is actually neat
It's better than just being the Imperium 2.0 "I swear it'll work this time"
Btw that was one of my first attempts
I think I unironically did worse than the Emperor
opaque coyote
I don't mean in terms of like
Actual war crimes
I mean in terms of like
"Holy shit I fucked up hard"
I lost
Ofc
My people got genocided
10/10
arctic talon
the megacorp names are pretty funny
arctic talon
Yes
opaque coyote
Although how TF does Pirate Haven work
arctic talon
its also the best type of megacorp
arctic talon
Although how TF does Pirate Haven work
you conqueor people or cripple them with crime
lol
opaque coyote
Ah
arctic talon
and lack of resources
opaque coyote
you conqueor people or cripple them with crime
Yeah but I always wonder like
If you take over most of the universe or whatever
How the fuck do you actually be a pirate
If everything is owned by you
rose thorn
going literally insnae trying to find pictures of somoens bedroom, that is dark, at night
opaque coyote
going literally insnae trying to find pictures of somoens bedroom, that is dark,...
Why
arctic talon
How the fuck do you actually be a pirate
the pirates are your horde of mercenaries
that you point at someone
and say
rose thorn
genesys horror camapign
arctic talon
"go forth, raid them"
and then your mercenaries stick their economy into the meatgrinder
opaque coyote
and then your mercenaries stick their economy into the meatgrinder
I feel like logically that would fall apart when there's no more enemies to raid
...
oh wait it's a video game
opaque coyote
YARHAR
arctic talon
also you can always
make more stuff
never destroy your enemies
just hamstring them
then build their economy back up
with "gifts"
and "loans"
and crime
opaque coyote
just hamstring them
Honestly I have thought of that actually being a thing for like a Fascist empire
arctic talon
all the criminal megacorps
are oroborus
they eat their own tails
from a fluff perspective
arctic talon
Honestly I have thought of that actually being a thing for like a Fascist empire
me when slaver guilds
opaque coyote
Honestly I have thought of that actually being a thing for like a Fascist empire
Like some 1984 level shit where they continually attack another empire and then leave them alone for a while
repeat
arctic talon
Thats just called having a vassel
I also do find it hilarious that death cult monarchies
the default title for ruler is
death king/death queen and the sucessor is death prince/death princess
its so simple
opaque coyote
the default title for ruler is
death king/death queen and the sucessor is death...
Nah that shit is boring
At least call them the Reaper
opaque coyote
death cult oligarchies default ruler name is "dread cardinal"
expected "Dread Pope"
arctic talon
zombie megacorp death cult
coming soon to a game near you
I am glad that they finally added invidualist machine empires as a starting option after all these years
opaque coyote
zombie megacorp death cult
Umbrella
arctic talon
you can always try to be a "benevolent" mega corp
as much as a mega corp can be benevolent
opaque coyote
you can always try to be a "benevolent" mega corp
Actual maternity leave
Holy shit
Seriously I am jealous of France for actually having that
shadow plover
don't most countries?
or well, most european countries would probably be more accurate
languid meadow
US is one of the few exceptions to the rule
At least in the west
Most Western nations have maternity/good maternity leave
astral burrow
zombie megacorp death cult
...servitorization?
Or like, recycling the body or smth?
queen laurel
For turning a corpse into a like
If only the imperium figured that out
queen laurel
The imperium does know
Wait so they're fine with grounding down dead people into fine edible paste but they draw the line on turning them into undead robots?
arctic talon
god that racks my brain
It’s giving “life” to a body with machinery after its died. You’ve made a living machine in essence
Therefore it’s silica animus
queen laurel
It’s giving “life” to a body with machinery after its died. You’ve made a living...
but government mandated cannibalism is fine
yeah the imperium is not great
but what can i do i'm not the tyrannical empire now am i
plush mason
its even worse when you remember that cannibalism is also outlawed
eating corpse starch isnt cannibalism in the imperium
plush mason
it is
arctic talon
It’s a local thing
Eating another human is highly distasteful but it’s not outlawed
Killing and eating a person is outlawed
plush mason
its heresy and the interigator in the watcher in the rain novel says so
plush mason
the survivers of the regiments the scribe startved where exicuted for the crime of cannibalism
astral burrow
Eating another human is highly distasteful but it’s not outlawed
Otherwise corpse starch wouldn't exist
arctic talon
Corpse starch isn’t known to be human flesh
By the average person
It’s also so heavily processed it doesn’t really resemble meat anymore
astral burrow
Still I doubt they would make the food something they consider heresy
Even if the people didn't know
plush mason
nah for some reason the process of making corpse starch removes the maddening/mutating effect eating human flesh has on people in 40k
arctic talon
Eating human flesh doesn’t cause mutations
Not any more then Prions irl
If it’s tainted then yeah
plush mason
yeah afaik the mutating part is rare
arctic talon
The corpse grinder cults fell to chaos because the process of making corpse starch was so awful
plush mason
madness is always gona happen
arctic talon
That they’d rather just eat human meat
arctic talon
madness is always gona happen
Me when prions
plush mason
yup
so yeah cannibalism is heresy afaik due to the madness and possible mutation it can cause
arctic talon
In any case eating human flesh causing mutations feels like a chicken and the egg situation
With chaos at least
plush mason
yeah
arctic talon
Do you mutate because you’ve caught chaos’s eye from eating other humans
Or do you mutate because you’ve been corrupted by chaos and have started eating humans
plush mason
ether way it makes sense for the imperium to seek to outlaw the practice
opaque coyote
Random question
If you plant a virus bomb
On a Daemon world
And explode it somehow
Would it actually do anything besides annoy the fuck out of the Daemon inhabitants
plush mason
depends on how much of the materium is left on the world
ofc a virus bomb almost killed Fulgrim
cinder pivot
His experience with that is considered full of grim
opaque coyote
Also
Asmongold when he has to move:
plush mason
Also
Asmongold when he has to move:
that implies he will ever move
opaque coyote
that implies he will ever move
More importantly how hasn't he gotten kicked out of his own house
Seriously though if it's bad enough that the ceiling starts collapsing. It's basically a risk to everyone now
plush mason
afaik his streaming room is the only part still like that
he bought the house from his dad and has had it fixed up
opaque coyote
afaik his streaming room is the only part still like that
Why
plush mason
so he is literally never leaving that house lmao
opaque coyote
Man literally uses a rat as an alarm clock
plush mason
so its for the bit
opaque coyote
plush mason
its sad but its true
opaque coyote
Clean up
Actually be healthy
Wash your fucking teeth
Drink water
That should be basic hygiene
plush mason
Wash your fucking teeth
he has full impants now
because he actually has money
the sad truth is he has become rich as hell off of living in squaller and reacting to various irl crap
astral burrow
he bought the house from his dad and has had it fixed up
So he didn't even clean it himself
The rest is probably clean cuz he doesn't leave the fucking room
plush mason
maybe
astral burrow
Disgusting rat clown making gazillions cuz a bunch of basement dwellers enjoy treating a nasty piece of shit like a king
plush mason
the simple fact is he has no reason to clean it as thats how he got rich in the first place
dapper gyro
Stop talking about that nurgle prince.
raven stone
Considering ||CWC|| exists, Asmon is at most a Plaguebearer :p
pulsar bay
Got an opening in my Canada/America game
golden imp
Are warhammer fantasy slayers naturally really good fighters or is it simply just cause we only see much of gotrek and the other powerful slayers he works with
To be a real slayer they have to kill a troll first if I remember right so there’s gotta be something said for their personal might
celest willow
Ok i know this is a dumb question
but is the Seer swooning for the emperor
Like bro is calling the empeor by a pet name?
copper patrol
Are warhammer fantasy slayers naturally really good fighters or is it simply jus...
weak slayers tend to die quickly
and weak disgraced dwarfs die in the trial
or don't take it in the first place (becuase it's mostly kinda stupid)
it's like survivorship bias
celest dome
Are warhammer fantasy slayers naturally really good fighters or is it simply jus...
Those that aren't good usually die, most of the time the good slayers (that we see in books) are at least Troll Slayers
Except Malakai
||Failure of an Engineer, Failure of a Slayer||
golden imp
Erm, but good slayers are the ones who die 🤓 ☝️
Gotrek is the worst slayer ever
I do think it’s pretty funny how they get increasingly pissed they haven’t died yet despite fighting ever more insane challenges
queen laurel
I do think it’s pretty funny how they get increasingly pissed they haven’t died ...
i mean if you want to die but you keep succeeding and succeeding to the point that you can humble a greater demon i think you would find destiny playing a cruel joke on you
you want to fail but destiny says aye lmao
celest dome
Erm, but good slayers are the ones who die 🤓 ☝️
Slayers are only good when they seek death, not necessarily when they're dead (as can be seen with Karak Kadrin
rose thorn
New Templar is, fine
young pecan
rose thorn
queen laurel
a black templar with a Crusader Helmet
i respect them for doubling down
A crusader helmeted guy for the guys that spam crusades
i'm surprised it took them this long
sacred bluff
Does Guilliman still need his armor to survive cause i read somewhere he can take it off at times
shadow plover
Foolish Guilliman, I laced yo shit
- Morty
he needs to return to it but he can spend longer and longer times without it
storm jungle
I hate it, let them live longer!
outer wave
I wish that were the case
But IIRC some moths metamorphize without mouth parts, which includes the Atlas Moth
storm jungle
rose thorn
https://tenor.com/view/atlas-moth-bug-huge-insect-moth-gif-5041616
Peak
outer wave
The fleeting beauty of nature
rose thorn
Evolution is a bitch, I wish they were born with stomachs
astral burrow
But IIRC some moths metamorphize without mouth parts, which includes the Atlas M...
So they just starve?
outer wave
So they just starve?
Their energy is used to fly and find a mate, then lay eggs
rose thorn
But IIRC some moths metamorphize without mouth parts, which includes the Atlas M...
Oh I didn’t see you say this lol
outer wave
I was going to say Mags, technically all atlas moths do have stomachs and a digestive system, just as larvae
queen laurel
god damn it
rose thorn
I wish they painted it like the ebon keshig instead of like this
It would make much more sense
rose thorn
Scorpion fish?
queen laurel
Scorpion fish?
It's a stonefish
rose thorn
Ah my bad
queen laurel
it's evolved to look like a stone but here's the thing
outer wave
it's evolved to look like a stone but here's the thing
The Thing
outer wave
Yeah if you step on a stonefish, you get hit by a pretty bad poison
rose thorn
It’s the one with trh skin tears off right?
queen laurel
It’s the one with trh skin tears off right?
And to add another thing on why evolution is hilarious do you know about the Sydney funnel-web ?
polar hill
My brain auto-completed that as "Sydney Sweeney"
rose thorn
No? Maybe?
polar hill
I need to be shot
queen laurel
No? Maybe?
If you don't know it's a spider that has venom that can kill someone in 15 minutes and has fangs sharp enough to puncture through shoe leather
outer wave
Jesus
rose thorn
My brain auto-completed that as "Sydney Sweeney"
🫵 you watch musicals
rose thorn
If you don't know it's a spider that has venom that can kill someone in 15 minut...
Oh I heard of it
But I didn’t know it looked like that
Oh yeha it’s a funnel weaver
queen laurel
Oh I heard of it
OK now imagine that but bigger and is packing the same setup of weapons and abilities
rose thorn
Like a tyranid?
queen laurel
Oh I heard of it
I introduced to you the Newcastle big boy it's the one on the right and the one on the left is the Sydney funnel web
rose thorn
Friend shaped
polar hill
🫵 you watch musicals
Sweeney is in musicals?
queen laurel
so a spider that has the ability to puncture through shoe leather and has venom that can kill someone in 15 minutes has a version of him that is twice the fuckin size
outer wave
I introduced to you the Newcastle big boy it's the one on the right and the one ...
I LOVE HAVING ANIMALS THAT DO MIMICKRY TO DISGUISE THEMSELVES AS ANOTHER SPECIES
queen laurel
Friend shaped
It's a newly discovered species but it's literally just packing the same setup as the Sydney funnel web but it's way bigger
I don't know why evolution decided to give a spider that can punch through shoe leather and has a venom can kill a human in 15 minutes a bigger version but that's just evolution I guess
outer wave
There's a difference between the two?
queen laurel
There's a difference between the two?
Berk look at the size of the one on the right
rose thorn
outer wave
Oh no Im not talking about the spiders, Im talking about the Sweeneys
rose thorn
SPIDER
outer wave
NO I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SWEENEYS
rose thorn
OH LMAO
outer wave
I KNOW THE SPIDER ON THE RIGHT IS BIGGER
rose thorn
LMAO
outer wave
I confused everyone damnb
queen laurel
GOD DAMN IT'S LIKE TALKING TO TWO GOBLINS WITH YOU TWO
rose thorn
Brb I gotta shower lol before I dgey distracted again
queen laurel
Brb I gotta shower lol before I dgey distracted again
See ya later
copper patrol
outer wave
We didnt mention the angler fish to Mags damn
rose thorn
I love angler fish
outer wave
They're so weird
storm jungle
outer wave
You know about the male angler fish I assume then, Mags?
dense cypress
Yo
outer wave
Howdy
arctic talon
More valrak leaks
Summary of the alleged leaks above;
Warhammer 40,000 - Drukhari
- has heard a multi-part Archon is coming this edition
- has heard that 11E will be the main refresh for Drukhari
Warhammer 40,000 - Astra Militarum
- has heard another regiment refresh is coming; no rumours of which
Warhammer 40,000 - Dark Mechanicum
- has heard Dark Mechanicum are coming as a new army
Everything else is reiterated from previous videos; Grey Knights and Orks refreshes in 11E (Orks in starter box),
GK and drukhari will have 5e plastic till 11e
Lol
outer wave
I cant believe we're already on 11e
arctic talon
I cant believe we're already on 11e
It’s a year and a few weeks out
outer wave
Oh okay not yet
celest dome
Warhammer 40,000 - Dark Mechanicum
has heard Dark Mechanicum are coming as a new army
How likely is that even ?
storm jungle
More valrak leaks
Summary of the alleged leaks above;
**Warhammer 40,000 - Dr...
Very likely stuff
its cool but not mindblowing
arctic talon
Yeah
storm jungle
somewhat semi-safe options
arctic talon
It’s mostly just reiterating known things
storm jungle
i believe it i think
arctic talon
The multi part archon
Will free us from that goofy ass bastard
They’re selling rn
storm jungle
Elite do you remember like, that one motherload leak of 9th edition
arctic talon
Yes
arctic talon
The real one
storm jungle
💀
storm jungle
Yeah which is hilarious
storm jungle
Ngl made it even funnier
storm jungle
when that april fools video of Squats dropped i knew it was real because it has way too much effort and I know low effort GW when I see it.
ala all their middle reveal vids where its just poorly drawn cartoon shit lol
celest dome
TTS style stuff
storm jungle
yeah exactly
the squats trailer was like SUPER high quality
iirc the guy that did it posted all those panels on artstation
queen laurel
it's genuinely so funny to me that it took them this long
Like this long to make an actual crusader helmet space marine for the crusader faction
arctic talon
They’ve had it since their refresh
Black Templar players deserve their codex last
Not because I hate them
But because I hate fighting over 200+ marine bodies
tough haven
They put the bowlcut neophyte on the BT cover
The chapter serf fucked up my shit
tough haven
But because I hate fighting over 200+ marine bodies
Play 40K, and it’s a 50%+ chance you’ll be fighting some form of marines
queen laurel
They’ve had it since their refresh
Really?
arctic talon
Yes
queen laurel
on what mini
arctic talon
Play 40K, and it’s a 50%+ chance you’ll be fighting some form of marines
Not really
tough haven
More than half the factions are marines
tough haven
Of some flavor
arctic talon
And they’re not that dominant anymore
Like they used to be
Including CSM it’s prolly like 40%
At most events
But it’s not like before
Where it’s just marines
Lol
tough haven
People still are obsessed with them
arctic talon
Well yeah but there’s less of them now
Or rather there’s more players of other factions
Checking tournament data or just me eyeballing the LGSs I go to for RTTs
It’s not like over 50% marine players
I’m not sure why you find that hard to believe
When I have actual like, evidence that at most larger places you go to you won’t run into 50% marines
plush mason
mirror matches are some of the most boring wargame matches afaik so it would not be good for GW if the SMs stayed over 50% for long
arctic talon
mirror matches are some of the most boring wargame matches afaik so it would not...
Tbf that used to be the case
Lol
plush mason
ofc
arctic talon
If we talk about space marine the faction it’s def only like 30% at most lol
If we include csm maybe they’re up to 50% but the armies play nothing alike lol
arctic talon
Yep
Like if you’re going to complain about tabletop presence
The real overreprsented faction is fucking knights lol
tough haven
It’s not like over 50% marine players
Well I was exaggerating a made up number lol
arctic talon
Like holy shit, I have literally not gone a RTT or just casual game without seeing at least 5 knight players
arctic talon
Well I was exaggerating a made up number lol
I’m going to send you into the best coast pairing mines
plush mason
SM are still a little overrepresented in other media imo
arctic talon
So you can extract data for me forever 
tough haven
Felt like anytime I played tts 40K I was always against some flavor of marines
arctic talon
They just are
plush mason
true
arctic talon
It’s like guard
tough haven
I’ve actually never encountered a knights player in my years of playing tts
tough haven
Guard can at least be interesting
plush mason
Guard and marines get all the fucking novels
because humans and super humans
arctic talon
That they get way too much comparatively
tough haven
Yeah I agree
Guard needs more variety if it’s at that volume
Like give me more admech
More abhumans
arctic talon
abhumans
plush mason
because humans and super humans
easier to write as protags than aliens and emotionless cyborgs
arctic talon
Maybe when hell freezes over
tough haven
>abhumans
I’ve gotten two baggit and clodde novels and a cameo, I’m happy
I just wish there was more from abhuman perspectives
arctic talon
Riot finally making a single Ionian champion with 0 ties to the Noxus invasion of Ionia.
Dear god
arctic talon
I just wish there was more from abhuman perspectives
Maybe someday
tough haven
easier to write as protags than aliens and emotionless cyborgs
Yeah but aliens and cyborgs are inherently more interesting cause it allows for unique perspectives and plots
Admech still has like double most xenos factions
In content
plush mason
Yeah but aliens and cyborgs are inherently more interesting cause it allows for ...
yeah but many people dont share that view+ it is hard to get it right
tough haven
Cause they’re still human
Like 80% of human content I don’t enjoy, too cookie cutter and samey
plush mason
there is a reason 90% of sci fi and fantasy is from the human perspective only
tough haven
I’ve only enjoyed a few guard/marines books and it’s the rare ones that feel unique
plush mason
most people cant be assed to understand a non-human perspective
plush mason
which makes the added effort of writing one a waste
tough haven
Bro if I wanted to read about just humans I’d read nonfiction
plush mason
yeah but people are dumb
tough haven
Isn’t the point of fiction to write the fantastical?
tough haven
yeah but people are dumb
True
plush mason
Isn’t the point of fiction to write the fantastical?
yup but the audience wants vanilla as hell human protags by in large
its one of the great paradoxes of fictional writing
the majority of the readers want plain and simple
arctic talon
See: Cain’s books being so popular
Despite being absurdly formulaic
They’re not bad, but I literally cannot more then one in a row
tough haven
I like human perspectives, but they should exist to give a neutral point for the other perspectives to contrast with
Not just consume the whole thing
plush mason
sadly you are the minority with that view
sly ivy
most people cant be assed to understand a non-human perspective
People literally cannot understand a nonhuman perspective lmao
Humans are the only interesting things in the universe fight me
plush mason
People literally cannot understand a nonhuman perspective lmao
oh they can and have so long as said perspective is well fleshed out and rooted in human understanding
sly ivy
Well yeah people can understand lower animals likes dogs or Eldar
plush mason
look at most of the non humans in things like star trek
celest dome
Human aren't even the most interesting thing on Earth 
plush mason
facts
sly ivy
Human aren't even the most interesting thing on Earth <:clown_hadron:10675897993...
They absolutely are
we
plush mason
no they are not
if we where we wouldn't spend so much time focusing on the other animals
sly ivy
As Scott Gilbert says in his developmental biology textbook, the human brain is “quite possibly the most organized piece of matter in the solar system”
Well yeah we can appreciate beauty and interesting things
But we are far more interesting than other animals
plush mason
no we arent
sly ivy
Yes we objectively are.
plush mason
if we where more people would focus on humans
celest dome
Indeed
plush mason
most people hate having to learn about other humans
queen laurel
Most.. people….. do focus on humans
Stop sounding like eternal and looking for arguments my guy
sly ivy
An I being baited
celest dome
Most peoples are boring though
sly ivy
I’m not your guy my dude
Does this seem fractious it’s just a bit of philosophical fun
I think humans are the most interesting organisms on earth.
plush mason
you are in the minority there
sly ivy
I am absolutely in the majority among like normal people I bet
If you lay out all the parameters
plush mason
very few people will pick learning about the human body over learning about sharks or some other animal
sly ivy
Most people care about the natural world as like a curiosity
queen laurel
I am absolutely in the majority among like normal people I bet
Well if you want majority why don't you go to those people then
celest dome
If we're speaking organism, then I really don't think they're the most interesting, there many animals and even plants that have much more interesting biologies
sly ivy
I am lmao I live in the world
plush mason
Most people care about the natural world as like a curiosity
which is more than they care about other humans
sly ivy
I almost mistyped I live in the wokes which is also true
sly ivy
If we're speaking organism, then I really don't think they're the most interesti...
Nah
many with very interesting biologies yes
But not more. Plus we’re composite organisms
queen laurel
Humans have basically known about each other all the time now in the world the interest about our own upbringing and stuff is practically long gone
plush mason
Humans have basically known about each other all the time now in the world the i...
that and when it comes to humans our own moralities keep us from caring about each other as much
winter vessel
only species that has me interested beyond mankind are Jellyfish
languid meadow
Humans have basically known about each other all the time now in the world the i...
I mean socially and mostly evolutionarily yeah, but we're still missing BIG gaps in our own biology today. Many things that happen to us we're like "fuck idk lmao"
sly ivy
People are by far the most interesting things on earth.
winter vessel
and maybe squid
languid meadow
so the human body is still full of mysteries
sly ivy
only species that has me interested beyond mankind are Jellyfish
Ok they are pretty cool. Very simple tho
queen laurel
I mean socially and mostly evolutionarily yeah, but we're still missing BIG gaps...
Yes but like I would still choose to learn about other Organism than a human because I hear about us already anyway even if I don't want to
sly ivy
They have very organized genomes and development but somehow it makes them really static too
queen laurel
Like you hear about humans every day no matter if you like it or don't like it so why would you be more interested on humans unless it's related to a certain field you are tackling
sly ivy
Yah I mean we are interested in The Other
plush mason
so the human body is still full of mysteries
ofc but which would the average person prefer to learn about, the human body or something like te man-o-war
winter vessel
ofc but which would the average person prefer to learn about, the human body or ...
https://tenor.com/view/octopus-cute-umbrella-octopus-gif-27043434 im more of the cephalopod variety
sly ivy
ofc but which would the average person prefer to learn about, the human body or ...
The average person? Well like college courses on human phys and anatomy and biochem far far outpace those on organismal diversity EVEN when you take out the premeds
So
plush mason
if you want to judge the objective level of interest in a subject you have to look at what the majority sees as interesting
celest dome
Human are the best at 1 thing I'll give them, ||destroying ecosystems||
queen laurel
Human are the best at 1 thing I'll give them, ||destroying ecosystems|| <:clown_...
let me add extra
exploitation manipulation human trafficking war crimes the creation of the boys comics
sly ivy
Human are the best at 1 thing I'll give them, ||destroying ecosystems|| <:clown_...
Yes based and true
languid meadow
ofc but which would the average person prefer to learn about, the human body or ...
ok but the average person isn't going to be a biologist anyway, man-o-wars are easy to understand, while more complex creatures like humans and other very deep sea creatures take a bit more.
sly ivy
if you want to judge the objective level of interest in a subject you have to lo...
See above lol
queen laurel
Yes based and true
Wow you really are like eternal
sly ivy
Wow you really are like eternal
PBUH
plush mason
Human are the best at 1 thing I'll give them, ||destroying ecosystems|| <:clown_...
yeah, forcing the ecosystem to conform and adapt to our needs is both the main source of our dominance and our greatest threat
storm jungle
I hope yall realise hes just baiting
plush mason
I hope yall realise hes just baiting
ofc i do, im just bored
sly ivy
It is interesting that ancient cave paintings have so few human figures
languid meadow
this is bait
I mean yeah but I like arguing
storm jungle
Lmao alright good
queen laurel
I hope yall realise hes just baiting
ehh bored, may as well favour someone's delusions
sly ivy
And I’ve watched some of those long form docs on hunter gatherer societies
Stuff filmed by the Marshals etc
celest dome
I hope yall realise hes just baiting
I think most people knew it before, just trying to cause him to go deeper in the bait
sly ivy
And like the Bushmen just spend all day talking about animals haha
languid meadow
I call it depression, rhymes with grug
storm jungle
I think most people knew it before, just trying to cause him to go deeper in the...
Just making sure 🫡
sly ivy
Like “bro did you see those baboons? I’m gonna eat one tomorrow.”
winter vessel
I call it the "Kimber 1911" rhymes with "Grug"
storm jungle
They absolutely are
also Id agree (||not really but||) until I learned one day that Mantis Shrimps exist tbh
vagrant fox
It is interesting that ancient cave paintings have so few human figures
Why so many hands with partial fingers too 🤔
queen laurel
also Id agree (||not really but||) until I learned one day that Mantis Shrimps e...
yeah that's the stuff
sly ivy
People love animals.
Though my colleague who works with the Hadza hgs thinks a lot of simple stick-like drawings may be of stylized people
winter vessel
also Id agree (||not really but||) until I learned one day that Mantis Shrimps e...
i'll raise you the pistol shrimp
plush mason
sly ivy
also Id agree (||not really but||) until I learned one day that Mantis Shrimps e...
Ok cool but still not as interesting as humans
Fun fact my best friend from my PhD did her postdoc on those with Sheila Patek
median star
https://tenor.com/view/isopod-isopod-pet-giant-isopod-giant-isopod-pet-isopod-cu...
the beast
celest dome
also Id agree (||not really but||) until I learned one day that Mantis Shrimps e...
Don't they see more colours than we do ?
plush mason
sea life in general is cool
sly ivy
She studied the linkage system in the arms.
winter vessel
https://tenor.com/view/isopod-isopod-pet-giant-isopod-giant-isopod-pet-isopod-cu...
i still hate the movie that revolved around these creatures
storm jungle
Don't they see more colours than we do ?
Like a ton yeah, they are very itneresting animals.
queen laurel
i'll raise you the pistol shrimp
I don't know Bigfin squid
storm jungle
Ok cool but still not as interesting as humans
Fun fact my best friend from my...
Very interesting. ||Not.||
winter vessel
I don't know Bigfin squid
aw shit its the harvester
languid meadow
sea life in general is more interesting than most terrestrial life since they've evolved to live in such extreme conditions
sly ivy
Nah terrestrial environment is way more extreme
winter vessel
Isoplush
sly ivy
It’s a desiccated desert
sly ivy
Compared to the ocean where nutrients are just floating around
winter vessel
I gotta give credit to Spongebob for peaking my interest in marine life
queen laurel
https://tenor.com/view/mantis-shrimp-life-in-color-with-david-attenborough-hidin...
I do love the other species that evolve instead of punching they decided to just stab
winter vessel
that and finding nemo
languid meadow
I mean no not really the ocean has desserts, lush jungle like reefs, and straight up great plains like environments with the open ocean
median star
isopods are great
celest dome
Nah terrestrial environment is way more extreme
Hydrothermal vents
sly ivy
There are no desserts in the ocean
celest dome
Literally living in a volcano
sly ivy
Everything tastes like fish
languid meadow
Evolutionary Biology is the coolest study sorry I don't make the rules
sly ivy
Yeah yeah the black smokers whatever still nutrient rich
winter vessel
the under water "eagle"
sly ivy
Evolutionary Biology is the coolest study sorry I don't make the rules
No it’s pretty mid
languid meadow
sly ivy
Even among the biologies
languid meadow
perfect use
median star
Evolutionary Biology is the coolest study sorry I don't make the rules
sadly for you the pinnacle of evolution is chrome get back in the ocean choom
sly ivy
Extremely mid.
queen laurel
There are no desserts in the ocean
read up some more
winter vessel
storm jungle
read up some more
LMFAO
sly ivy
read up some more
Bro it was a dumb play on a typo
languid meadow
the most interesting thing about earth is the earth itself
storm jungle
the most interesting thing about earth is the earth itself
uhm akshually its us
monke
sly ivy
the most interesting thing about earth is the earth itself
Whoa man
storm jungle
Humans are also definitely very interesting animals
languid meadow
whoever designed us sucks at it
sly ivy
Don’t like the way this mf lookin @ me
winter vessel
the most interesting thing about earth is the earth itself
"The Earth" you say?? i see what you mean
sly ivy
uhm akshually its us
So true queen
plush mason
Humans are also definitely very interesting animals
we are, we are also the only one with morals so that tends to take precedent, no joke the main reason people dont like learning about humans much is all the controversy that comes with it
languid meadow
I feel this
I legit suffer from a disease that doctors and biologists are still like "fuck idk lmao good luck"
sly ivy
Evolutionary biology is like C tier at best
sly ivy
I legit suffer from a disease that doctors and biologists are still like "fuck i...
Ugh
I’m sorry.
I wish… I imagined honestly
storm jungle
So true queen
winter vessel
plush mason
most of human history is offensive in some way and forces people to ask hard painful questions
sly ivy
Like a couple decades ago
storm jungle
we are, we are also the only one with morals so that tends to take precedent, no...
Deploy the missiles at Country B
🫡
sly ivy
That biomed progress would be so much faster than it is.
arctic talon
most of human history is offensive in some way and forces people to ask hard pai...
Me when human sacrifice
Lol
languid meadow
mr president thanos is back
sly ivy
most of human history is offensive in some way and forces people to ask hard pai...
Yes that’s why it’s so great
arctic talon
I do wonder what causes that, almost every culture at some point has had some form of human sacrifice
languid meadow
I saw that emoji
storm jungle
sdfslfds
arctic talon
storm jungle
I do wonder what causes that, almost every culture at some point has had some fo...
Because people are stupid
winter vessel
I do wonder what causes that, almost every culture at some point has had some fo...
paganism
sly ivy
I do wonder what causes that, almost every culture at some point has had some fo...
There are some ok papers about it.
arctic talon
Because people are stupid
Okay yeah that makes sense
arctic talon
There are some ok papers about it.
Do you have any
arctic talon
Thanks
languid meadow
guys don't mention Abrahamic faiths did it as well
storm jungle
guys don't mention Abrahamic faiths did it as well
I was gonna say lmao
languid meadow
all that matter is the agenda
storm jungle
almost all forms of religion had some primitive sacrifice elements
misty vector
I do wonder what causes that, almost every culture at some point has had some fo...
Almost every culture has myth about scary giants clubbing people bc its fucked up
sly ivy
guys don't mention Abrahamic faiths did it as well
Ye early tho
arctic talon
guys don't mention Abrahamic faiths did it as well
Also the proto Abrahamic faiths did it as well lol
storm jungle
they just get ruled out because we gotta act civilized
and uhhh
christ is king 🤓
or some shit
arctic talon
Almost every culture has myth about scary giants clubbing people bc its fucked u...
Is this like all the religions and mythologies with giant floods
Lol
languid meadow
Also the proto Abrahamic faiths did it as well lol
it's almost like le humans le stupid
arctic talon
Monke brain
sly ivy
Abrahamic, Ancient Egyptian, Greek — possibly stemming from one source — kind of did away with it.
arctic talon
Anyways we need to bury these people alive
Or else the giant catfish is gona be mad
storm jungle
it's almost like le humans le stupid
Brainwashing- I mean converting people is easy when you got more "kind" beliefs, theres a reason the church retcons a lot more violent/wild shit from the bible
arctic talon
Brainwashing- I mean converting people is easy when you got more "kind" beliefs,...
(Insert slavery bit)
storm jungle
which is a shame because those parts are metal af
storm jungle
(Insert slavery bit)
KEK
arctic talon
Also the part about stoning your daughter to death
plush mason
humans have the most powerful mind known to date, and we spend most of it's power on figuring out better ways to hurt each other
arctic talon
humans have the most powerful mind known to date, and we spend most of it's powe...
Yes
storm jungle
humans have the most powerful mind known to date, and we spend most of it's powe...
Always 🙏
winter vessel
those who omit it saddens me
arctic talon
Humans get very creative when it comes to that
storm jungle
me when mustard gas
we didnt calculate that the wind would blow it back to us
"Guys what if we attached dynamites to some dogs."
🧠
sly ivy
Brainwashing- I mean converting people is easy when you got more "kind" beliefs,...
Oh come on one major reason both Judaism and Christianity in various forms were gentle was because both were religions of common people and/or the downtrodden and not conquerors. The Tribes just got kicked around and obviously Christianity was among the common men.
Hence all the meekness stuff.
languid meadow
waiter pull out this mongrel dog of the empire nerves out
sly ivy
So that is part of it.
storm jungle
Oh come on one major reason both Judaism and Christianity in various forms were ...
Well yeah its the truth though, you can get a lot of people through radical ideals but its way easier when your creeds are more gentle in nature.
these days though im not sure if thats even true anymore
anyway
100000 gazillion dollars to-
sly ivy
Well yeah its the truth though, you can get a lot of people through radical idea...
Yes it is true.
winter vessel
Ukraine
sly ivy
Also true.
languid meadow
BALANKIZE RUSS-
sly ivy
Sorry I wasn’t disagreeing exactly just adding. Christianity for instance started meek but obviously then became joined to Rome haha
sly ivy
Good old Constantine.
plush mason
dude refused to even get baptized untill his deathbed
sly ivy
Rip
@arctic talon
Watts, J., Sheehan, O., Atkinson, Q.D., Bulbulia, J. and Gray, R.D., 2016. Ritual human sacrifice promoted and sustained the evolution of stratified societies. Nature, 532(7598), pp.228-231.
Schwartz, G.M., 2017. The archaeological study of sacrifice. Annual Review of Anthropology, 46(1), pp.223-240.
Hughes, D.D., 2013. Human sacrifice in ancient Greece. Routledge.
median star
100000 gazillion dollars to-
sly ivy
Rives, J., 1995. Human sacrifice among pagans and Christians. The journal of roman studies, 85, pp.65-85.
These are all pretty good.
sharp pollen
#Israel-lore-chat
sly ivy
Another thing I would encourage everyone to do is to read the long-form anthropological studies of the Khoisan and Hadza that are available. These are subsaharan hunter-gatherer societies that until the 50s ish were basically frozen in time.
Notably they do not practice human sacrifice. Sacrifice probably not present in the ancestral human society. Possibly related to greater social Strat as that nature paper argues.
sly ivy
Another thing I would encourage everyone to do is to read the long-form anthropo...
Reading about these peoples should be a fundamental component of all education imho
@arctic talon et al.
arctic talon
Notably they do not practice human sacrifice. Sacrifice probably not present in ...
interesting
Glancing at this stuff so far it seems to be saying that social stratification causes human sacrifice or vice versa
sly ivy
There are some great popular books too by the daughter of the original !Kung ethnographers
Elizabeth Marshal Thomas
The Harmless People and The Old Way
Marshall sorry
And there’s a dvd collection of the Marshalls’ footage
My friend Nick goes and spends weeks with the Hadza traveling around and they’re a really interesting people too.