40k-lore-chat

[opaque coyote]

Basically Nature vs Nuture is difficult because

We don't know jackshit about it either

[young pecan]

Someone would be evil because they're either brainwashed by actual evil people or because they have an inherent disregard and/or exploitative nature for others

[opaque coyote]

We talk about a topic that we are also extremely blind to

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[outer wave]

I love the implication that he got sad because of some of those things in essence, not only just because he couldn't punch stuff to prevent them from happening

[opaque coyote]

But generally I lean towards the nuture most, although I know that some people are born wanting to burn the world.

[sly ivy]

… are we still talking about Warhammer

[young pecan]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Yeah thats what the whole thing is about, its that Oruuks in AoS do actually posses things like empathy and such unlike Orcs in WHFB lol

[opaque coyote]

mostly about the evil races trope

[opaque coyote]

Honestly that's more fucked up than if they didn;t

[languid meadow]

"what if Harald Hardrada won the war for england ! !!" He dies 2 years after winning cause he's old

[opaque coyote]

Because then it just becomes a choice.

[arctic talon]

The only explictly evil race in 40k is like, fucking Daemons

[opaque coyote]

And they choose to be evil.

[arctic talon]

and I don't count daemons

I guess Orks

But they're literally a bio weapon

designed for war

[opaque coyote]

I'd say Orks and Tyranids.

Although it's more like "A really terrible invasive species".

[sly ivy]

Species and people and populations can be more aggressive for various polygenic reasons. But like more psycho/sociopathic uhhhh mostly no and always a minority for social species bc otherwise they’d be driven to extinction pretty quick.

[arctic talon]

nids aren't evil

they're literally animals

a very smart animal yes

[young pecan]

Tbf if the society is evil then it's reasonable to say that less fortunate oruuks can turn out evil

Idk about oruuk lore tho so

[arctic talon]

but you can't say a tiger is evil because it kills people and eats them

[sly ivy]

Yeah I can if it eats me

Fuck that tiger

[storm jungle]

You cant be driven to extinction if your females make billions of babies an hour

[opaque coyote]

There are signs that they do stuff to cause suffering

Like the Genestealer Cultists getting their connection snapped when the invasion fully happens.

Like that's just sadism at this point.

[young pecan]

At what point do we call an animal sentient enough to be able to comprehend this sort of stuff

[storm jungle]

[sly ivy]

Ok true and based

[storm jungle]

Being actively sadistic is one

some animals are legit that smart

[sly ivy]

Yes.

[arctic talon]

The second one isn't for sadism, its just for effiencies sake

they've served their pupose

no point in exerting control anymore

[opaque coyote]

But i'd argue then just have them jump into the pits

[arctic talon]

They do do that

lol

[opaque coyote]

but then again it's kinda weird

[arctic talon]

It just depends

[opaque coyote]

sometimes they do that

[arctic talon]

they pick whatever the fuck

lol

[opaque coyote]

sometimes they don't

[arctic talon]

again

animal

[opaque coyote]

I wonder how that even works

[arctic talon]

it doesn't make logical decisions always

animals can hate

animals can learn

ect.

[opaque coyote]

True. Yeah I guess the nids are just a really invasive species.

[arctic talon]

The nids are depicted as a very intelligent animal

but ultimately not like

[opaque coyote]

They aren't good for this grimdark ecosystem

smh

[arctic talon]

in a way thats

actively evil

it reacts ot things

[opaque coyote]

They aren't Sapient

Or Sentient.

They just are.

[arctic talon]

its sentient for sure

whether or not the hivemind is sapient is a whole other bag of worms

We know it can hate, due to losing food or getting interrupted feeding

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, I guess it all depends on the Hivemind which remains a mystery.

[arctic talon]

but so do like 99% of animals if you do that

like, if you fucking stabbed a dog everytime it tried to eat

[sly ivy]

This hivemind hating shit is so stupid

[arctic talon]

no shit its going to try to maul you to death

[sly ivy]

Should be erased

[arctic talon]

How, animals IRL literally do it

Crows hold grudges

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, I actually wish they allowed the Hivemind to just have emotions.

[arctic talon]

Elephants also do

[opaque coyote]

Would be more interesting than just

"OMNOMNOMNOM"

[arctic talon]

tbf, its not just that, it cares about survival

its also hungry

[storm jungle]

ok but

[arctic talon]

but it doesn't like losing hivefleets

[storm jungle]

Crows are cool

[sly ivy]

Ya but crows and elephants share an enormous amount of their neural architecture w us. So of course they have emotions like ours.

Hivemind should be alien and cold and implacable

[young pecan]

Love crows

[opaque coyote]

I guess

The individual Tyranids are mostly neither sapient or sentient.

The Hivemind is definitely sentient. Sapient is a huge questionmark.

[young pecan]

My only tattoo so far is of a crow holding a sicae dagger

[arctic talon]

The hivemind is alien as hell

[sly ivy]

Crows are cool.

[arctic talon]

its extremely weird

the hivemind hating is imo fine

it doesn't change the fact its weird and alien

its still impossible to really understand

[opaque coyote]

It's equivalent to like

"WHO THE FUCK SLAPPED MY FOOD AWAY???"

[arctic talon]

other then the fact that, oh wow, if we keep on stabbing it while its eating

it wants to stop us from stabbing it while its eating

who could have guessed this

[sly ivy]

No it’s like a spider’s hating

[opaque coyote]

I don't even think it's hate, it's more like

annoyance

[arctic talon]

it wants to get rid of the thing stopping it from eating

yes

[sly ivy]

That would be stupid and also would force me to respect spiders

[arctic talon]

thats how its presented

[opaque coyote]

IK it's described as hate but it sounds more like just "god dammit just LET ME EAT"

[arctic talon]

okay but Nids aren't spiders

nids aren't even really insectoid at all

aside from like a few of them

[opaque coyote]

Nids are a mix of like

several animals design wise

[arctic talon]

yes

[opaque coyote]

only consistency being 6 legs

[arctic talon]

They also do have like

brains

as in actual fucking brains

[sly ivy]

They’re both creepy and crawly

[arctic talon]

its not like an insect

[sly ivy]

Therefore bugs

[young pecan]

Funny that the hivemind encounters a problem and says "random bullshit go"

[opaque coyote]

In fact some of their weapons are based off of technology. One of them is based off of the bolters, and some of them look like Eldar weapons.

[sly ivy]

Bugs have brains

[arctic talon]

Bugs do not have brains

[opaque coyote]

They're as much bugs as Crabs are.

[arctic talon]

the same way vertebrates do

[sly ivy]

Bugs have brains

Crabs are literally bugs

[arctic talon]

its setup differently

[sly ivy]

No it’s not

[arctic talon]

nids have brains like vertebrates

is my point

[sly ivy]

It’s pattered with the same genes and it’s got the same basic structure it just surrounds the esophagus

[opaque coyote]

Again, I am in a rare camp

where I actually want the Hivemind to have identifiable feelings

Similar to the Gravemind from the Flood

[young pecan]

Could be cool

[sly ivy]

Ok ok if done well maybe that’s ok

[young pecan]

Would have to be done well for sure

[arctic talon]

Kaggen I can't tell if you're trying to rage bait or have an actual discussion ever lol

its really funny

but nids have more in common with like, not bugs then bugs

they have skeletons

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's the problem.

But if it is done well, it could definitely breathe new life into the faction for sure.

[young pecan]

I mean you can see on an individual level that tyranids get angry

[arctic talon]

well yeah

[sly ivy]

Bugs have skeletons. EXO skeletons

[young pecan]

But the hive mind dunno

[sly ivy]

Just like nids

[arctic talon]

because the individual nids are individual animals

Nids have both

[young pecan]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

skeletons and exoskeletons

lol

[young pecan]

Just being controlled

[sly ivy]

It’s usually bait unless it’s about some dead serious thing or someone on here is having an actual life problem

But u know that

[arctic talon]

The Tyrants and higher level nids are the only ones that show any sort of independence

[arctic talon]

okay so its what I assumed lol

[opaque coyote]

I find it funny that this nids basically imply that everytime the Hivemind gets some new genetic material they're like....

"Okay shove this random bit of DNA here"

[young pecan]

I would like the hivemind to have emotions but have it done in a way very very strangely compared to how we experience emotion

[opaque coyote]

"Uhhh yeah that looks good"

[arctic talon]

tbh

Its fine if we have one emotionless killer horde faction

crons also being that

[young pecan]

I agree with that too

[arctic talon]

was an issue lol

so I'm glad the great cron retcon of 5e happened

[young pecan]

I was going to say that it's neat that there's one faction that is ruthlessly functional

[sly ivy]

I still wonder what happened to that one chick who was going through a breakup she never resurfaced

[opaque coyote]

95% of the fanbase loves the Necron rework

[sly ivy]

Idk why I worry about random internet people

[storm jungle]

I learned today that theres some spider breed that makes a web and poses trash/junk/small objects from its area on it to make it form a giant spider then shake its webbing to scare off predators or compedition.

How the fuck-

[young pecan]

Cares about literally nothing except efficient expansion

[opaque coyote]

Megazord Spider

https://tenor.com/view/morph-megazord-power-rangers-gif-2240561054518284000

[storm jungle]

what surprises me is how the fuck does it know what its species looks like

that is very cool lol

[arctic talon]

Is this what that one Monster hunter mosnter is based on

lol

[storm jungle]

yeah basically its because this spider is liky tiny-tiny

[young pecan]

It could just be in their instincts

[arctic talon]

where its a giant spider that builds fucking armor around itself

[storm jungle]

the spider it makes from junk is way bigger lol

[arctic talon]

well "giant"

[young pecan]

I find it funny how many animals have instincts that just

[opaque coyote]

The same way we know that the person in the mirror is actually supposed to be us.

[arctic talon]

its actually like, one of the smallest monsters lol

[opaque coyote]

IDK

[young pecan]

Make NO sense for them to have learned how to do

[sly ivy]

I fucking hated it

And now I realize it was good

[young pecan]

And I don't mean the animals who learn it from mommy and daddy

[opaque coyote]

Genetic memory moment

[storm jungle]

You only realise how good it is when you figure out that oldcrons were just robot tyranids.

And basically had zero homebrew potential

[sly ivy]

Yeah.

[storm jungle]

and their gimmick would get old fast

[opaque coyote]

Now if only we had more genetic memory

[sly ivy]

I liked how scary the C’tan were

[young pecan]

Never knew necrons were like that in old lore

[opaque coyote]

Animals can walk when they are born, we can't

We have to learn

[sly ivy]

But like they were too strong

[opaque coyote]

b it c h

[arctic talon]

tbh sharded c'tan still being strong as fuck

is also cool

[sly ivy]

They were like the antagonists of an alternate universe game

[arctic talon]

Its a good way of showing their power

[young pecan]

I like that they're eccentric

[sly ivy]

They were too powerful and scary to be secondary antagonists

[arctic talon]

Like they retcon'd all the previous "it was actually the entire c'tan"

into "it was a big shard of the c'tan"

[storm jungle]

Yeah i think this is a much better middlepoint. What people that complain about "they removed the cold, slow moving terminator vibes" is like... no they didnt?

The necron army is very much still that lol now they just have actual leaders, and no they dont go down to the field to do MCU one-liners, 99% of the engagement you'll probably never see them.

AND

[arctic talon]

tbh they still do also have

the old crons

[storm jungle]

You can just make an oldcron dynasty if you want

[arctic talon]

in lore as well

yeah

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I always thought about it being more curious if anything

[storm jungle]

we got canon evidence of them

its literally the best tradeoff

[opaque coyote]

But overall just mostly chill because it expects the food to run

That's just the nature of it's food

Food runs, it catches food, it eats, it continues

But it's still curious enough to try and take apart what makes a species tick.

"This human is bigger than most. Why?"

[young pecan]

It could be that the hivemind does what it does because it wants to collect all DNA in the known universe to use how it pleases

[opaque coyote]

"This human screams a lot."

[young pecan]

Or it's just a hungry animal that we like to call bugs

[sly ivy]

The overlap w Tyranid space was the main thing. Too much.

[young pecan]

And it does not know what sustainability means

[opaque coyote]

I have thought about an idea that the Hivemind doesn't consider what it does actually killing.

I remember a creepy quote from the Dead Space Remake where Isaac says "The Marker saw who they were, it remembers."

[storm jungle]

Oldcrons are extremely well represented in the 5th edition codex but their gimmick gets old extremely fast yeah

[opaque coyote]

That when anything gets eaten, absorbed, melted, etc. It isn't just their flesh and blood that gets absorbed.

[storm jungle]

OH NO WE UNEARTHED NECRONS

[opaque coyote]

It's also their memories.

[arctic talon]

Ahtal-ka is species of monster in monster hunter where the females of the species build a giant set of armor around itself based on what its seen in life and its own species appearance. Did they base this monster on that spider lol

[storm jungle]

OH NO THEY KILLED US ALL

[sly ivy]

Hahaha

[arctic talon]

because its "armor" is like 10x fucking bigger then it

lol

[opaque coyote]

Their feelings.

And I thought that it would cool if the Tyranids worked the same way

[sly ivy]

I haven’t read Nightbringer I guess that was pretty good

[storm jungle]

Yeah its fun

[arctic talon]

very pretty design though, we've never seen a male one lol

[opaque coyote]

The hivemind is just a mass of all of the races it absorbed, turned for one purpose.

The Tyranids, the flesh.

[sly ivy]

I should say that when they first came out the C’tan were like the coolest things ever

[arctic talon]

this is also newcrons tbh

LOL

[sly ivy]

The models were like nothing you had ever seen in 40K

[arctic talon]

the C'tan were

[sly ivy]

And the rules were insane

[arctic talon]

very unique

lol

[opaque coyote]

Trillions of different races thoughts, feelings, etc. for one purpose.

[arctic talon]

tbh

[opaque coyote]

To feed.

[arctic talon]

I'd say the nightbringer and deciever

are still extremely unique

if I have one complaint about the Void Dragon

is that its too necrony

[young pecan]

That's spooky

[arctic talon]

but whatever, it helped make biotransference happen

so

[sly ivy]

Ye

[young pecan]

I love how Dead Space did horror

[arctic talon]

I can tolerate it slightly

[young pecan]

Genuinely so cool

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's generally my headcanon for the Tyranids. And how it never considers what it does actually killing.

It's confused on why the food runs

It doesn't really kill them.

Why would they be scared?

[young pecan]

That's a cool idea but is it supported or debunked by lore?

As in

[opaque coyote]

Neither

Like I said headcanon

[young pecan]

Do souls still go to the warp after being eaten by tyranids

And turned into yummers

[opaque coyote]

Probably why most tyranid lore besides the cool bug details are like

ambiguous

homebrew potential

[opaque coyote]

Although I think the idea generally comes from the fact that any psyker that tries to contact the hivemind just gets overloaded

and either goes insane or dies

so I thought, what if it's just trillions of people's memories.

[young pecan]

That could be supportive of the headcanon actually in a way

Depends on how the psyker's perspective is described

[opaque coyote]

yeah

either way, the hivemind is hungry

[young pecan]

Do we ever get that?

[opaque coyote]

idk lmao

https://tenor.com/view/venti-venti-genshin-impact-genshin-genshin-impact-spin-gif-17004227448091095645

[young pecan]

Or does a guy just go "today I will poke the synapse link" and explodes

[storm jungle]

Yeah but they do more

Newcrons just appear, kill and leave.

they got no character or anything

[arctic talon]

anyways I want some variation of the mantis piloting a giant fucking mech in a new monster hunter game

[arctic talon]

you mean oldcrons

right

[opaque coyote]

Apparently, Tigurius, one of the mightiest psykers Imperium currently has attempted contact with Hive Mind - he endured it for a couple of minutes and it rendered him comatose.

[storm jungle]

AAA TYPO

[young pecan]

I'm guessing we got a person's perspective who wasn't Tigurius

[opaque coyote]

Its featureless skull loomed over him as he struggled uselessly against it. Blossoms of ectoplasm sprouted on its head, unfurling and growing, becoming tendrils like the ones which had been the cause of Geta’s death. The tendrils quivered, and then stiffened and shot towards him. Something cold touched him and darkness invaded him. It was stronger than the scream, impossible to resist.

His thoughts were ground under the relentless clamour of an alien intelligence far older and crueller than he had ever suspected – this intelligence was nothing like the others; the Leviathan was stronger than the Behemoth, and more dangerous than the Kraken. Worse, he’d been wrong. There was a mind there, amidst the hunger, a true mind, a fierce self-awareness that put the torch to every assumption and scrap of knowledge about the tyranids that he’d possessed.

And that mind hated him. It wanted vengeance. It wanted him. For the first time, Varro Tigurius felt the first stirrings of fear. Such a thing could not be defeated. His will was as nothing next to that of the hive mind. It would devour him, and then Kantipur, and after that, the sub-sector. It could not be stopped. Even Holy Terra would fall.

No!

Even as the thought filled his mind, he refused it. Terra would not – could not – fall. He focused, looking past the horror that held him, and up into the darkness beyond it. He could still hear the voice of the staff, even though it was out of reach. It whispered to him and he closed his eyes, trying to focus on it rather than the horror reaching out to engulf him. He could feel the heat and light of the Astronomican, he could hear its song, swelling in his mind, dimly at first, and then more loudly.

Tigurius reached out, even as he drowned in that cold, hungry darkness, and felt the light of the Emperor’s grace, just at the tips of his fingers. Was it the same light that Malcador had felt, the day he took the Emperor’s place on the Golden Throne? Had the Sigillite felt the light of the Astronomican on him, the day he’d sacrificed his life for the good of the Imperium? The whispers grew in strength, filling his mind, driving out doubt and hesitation. Malcador had died for the Imperium – could he do any less?

He grabbed hold of the light with all of his strength, and sent it pulsing outward, against the dark. There was a scream, like that of a startled animal, as the shadow in the warp met the blinding light of humanity’s guiding star, and then the weight was gone and he could breathe again. His eyes popped open and he saw the xenos monster stumble away, shaking its head. Greasy smoke rose from its brain-case, and could smell the stench of rancid, burning meat. He lunged to his feet.

Acting on instinct, he snatched up his bolt pistol and flung himself at the monster. He caught hold of its carapace and swung himself up. It heaved, trying to buck him off, but to no avail. He shoved the barrel of his bolt pistol against the meat of its mind, and emptied the clip. The great body convulsed, and it took a faltering step. Then, with a sibilant whine, it toppled, slamming into the street hard enough to crack the pavement. Tigurius rolled clear.


-Shadow of Leviathan

[opaque coyote]

There is an Aeldari perspective

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/12zy184/excerpt_the_hivemind_is_an_interdimensional/

Apparently it can access higher dimensions

probably explains the shadow of the warp

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270113965193822208/1383939180282908732/IMG_6543.png?ex=68509d4c&is=684f4bcc&hm=474ec84efa19d4c1d257633083f3af45cca427a25bbc1717a0494b21d0455e06&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[young pecan]

So this perspective confirms that the hivemind is both vengeful AND self-aware

In a way beyond animals

[storm jungle]

LMAO WAIT

IS THAT EDGAR ALLEN POE

[opaque coyote]

Also another excerpt from Wraithflight which is actually kinda terrifying

[storm jungle]

where is this from?

[opaque coyote]

Something was wrong. A sensation at the back of her mind. The sensation grew teeth, became pain. Her soul was gripped by agony. Iyanna screamed, falling from the edge of the couch. The pain abated, then squeezed her anew. She vomited. The dead were dismayed. The blow against her raced out across her attack group, leaping from mind to mind. Wraithbomber engines guttered out. The Wraithborne’s sleek cruisers turned viciously, wallowing in psychic swell. Bright light burned at Iyanna’s soul. A long tunnel telescoped away, encompassing infinite distance. A tube stabbed through the fabric of the world. She felt its ripples in the warp. She felt its ripples in the webway. She had the sense of an eye, slave to a great power. An intellect that dwarfed the Great Wheel of the galaxy. She opened her second sense, to find the Dragon looking at her with terrible regard. For aeons it seemed it held her in its gaze. And there was fury in that examination. The Dragon was angry, and it was angry with her. Not with the galaxy, or this sector, or her species. But with her personally. The promise of endless torment came from it, her very being enslaved to its ends and used against others, her body rebuilt over and again so that it might suffer the Dragon’s revenge. Terror of a kind she could not have conceived of flooded her mind. She screamed again, and this time every eldar in the fleet screamed with her.

"The promise of endless torment came from it, her very being enslaved to its ends and used against others, her body rebuilt over and again so that it might suffer the Dragon’s revenge."

Yeah that's not terrifying at all

So yeah the Hivemind can certainly be sadistic. That's for sure

[young pecan]

Random thought but if psykers are because of the warp/chaos(?), could blanks be caused by tyranid's shadow in the warp

That sounds really stupid but I dunno

[arctic talon]

YES

[opaque coyote]

Probably not since the Tyranid Shadow is more like an overwhelming presence.

I have thought that blanks are a mutation that go the other way.

[arctic talon]

Opening of te book

[storm jungle]

BASED.

[celest dome]

There are some blank that seem to be due to necron stuff

[young pecan]

Now that's weird but I can see that being equally likely actually

[celest dome]

With the Pariah gene

[opaque coyote]

Like especially since a lot of psykers were culled.

I can imagine mother nature going the other direction as the result.

[young pecan]

I feel like it's possible with tyranid stuff too but I don't know broader lore or many specifics

[arctic talon]

retcond

all necron pariah stuff is retcond

it got killed in 5e

unless you count the recent mention by szeras

towards uh

messing with blanks

[celest dome]

Wasn't it just modified, as in not all Blank being Pariah but all Pariah being Blank or something?

[arctic talon]

No

its all gone

the terms are interchangible in universe now

[celest dome]

That suck

[arctic talon]

meh

I like it

I don't want crons related to everything

they're already related to enough shit

[celest dome]

Fair

[storm jungle]

For now anyway

lets admit it they'll bring it back at some point

they cannot resist it

lol

[arctic talon]

probably not im

*imo

Szeras literally calls it a failure in universe

But if they do

I will be sad

but oh well

[storm jungle]

You're a failure in-universe

smh

[arctic talon]

I fucking hope so

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside

Crons are related to

The old ones dying
the orks existing
the eldar evolving

The eldar empire

the webway

blackstone

Chaos

I think removing humans from that list is fine

[opaque coyote]

Yeah!

...

Replace it with T'au

[arctic talon]

DIE

https://tenor.com/view/siegfried-gbvs-gbvsr-die-verdrängen-gif-17943989853454082534

[opaque coyote]

[opaque coyote]

So the Necrons take up approx 75% of the problems in the galaxy

The Eldar 24%

[arctic talon]

Necrons are directly responsible

for Chaos existing

lol

[opaque coyote]

And the 1% is humanity

[arctic talon]

The Eldar birthed Slaanesh

and Humanity gave chaos a fuck ton of influence in realspace

[opaque coyote]

Humanity also accidentally called the Nids

[arctic talon]

oh wait my bad

Necrons are also related to nids now

because of the fucking pharos beacon

[opaque coyote]

Huh

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

Oh

[arctic talon]

That was necron tech

[opaque coyote]

💀

[arctic talon]

god fucking dammit lol

[astral burrow]

My little brother is drawing Italian brainrot...

[young pecan]

when necrons are under the planet that had no signs of their existence yet again

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/fun-memes-brainrot-meme-wood-gif-15897764482528309614

[storm jungle]

How about that prick's face when he saw the gyatt

[astral burrow]

I hate it so much

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-soprano-gif-10466932094381488510

[arctic talon]

anyways yeah Necrons are

way too connected to everything imo

[polar hill]

Most successful Night Lords mission

[arctic talon]

but whatever

[astral burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-tony-soprano-funny-gif-5018786074331786569

The good Italian brainrot

[young pecan]

Why are they so angry that people keep ending up on their planets when they keep fucking not marking their planets

[arctic talon]

they do

[storm jungle]

guh

[arctic talon]

its just all decayed away

lol

[astral burrow]

Guh

[arctic talon]

anyways I think crons are like, directly responsible for

too much

Like aghhhhhhhh

They really could have gone without the Eldar retcon chunk in the 5e codex

but whatever

[storm jungle]

Retcons are the way of life

[arctic talon]

yeah

I'm aware lol

[storm jungle]

Get retconned or uhhh

dickconned

idfk

[arctic talon]

I do actually like the Necron retcon

[storm jungle]

Are you

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/metaphor-metaphor-re-fantazio-will-metaphor-protagonist-protagonist-gif-4360373816898240160

[dapper gyro]

I'm somehow still alive, and the world hasn't turn into 40K yet...

[languid meadow]

Everyday we come closer to the peak that is another silent king book (I'm very prepared for him to get walloped by Gman cause imperium can't lose)

[dapper gyro]

The imperium would somehow activate an ancient something something and defeats the big bad boss.

[languid meadow]

can't wait for the necron civil war to not get mentioned at all

[dapper gyro]

There was no war in ba sing se

[polar hill]

There is no war in the 42nd millennium

And ngl. I don't think there's going to be a fight between the Avenging Son and the Silent King

I think there's going to be a pseudo-team up to beat the Hive Mind back out into the intergalactic void

And by pseudo-team up, I mean as in a mutual agreement to dedicate their separate attentions to the Tyranids and join forces against them should the opportunity present itself, but nothing like an actual alliance since the Necrons want the galaxy for the Necrons and the humans want it for the humans

Tl;dr: We're still fighting each other, but our focus is on the bugs, and if we're in the same room with them, we shoot the bugs before we shoot each other

[storm jungle]

Its Dawn of Fire so therefore it will likely be lame so therefore-therefore it will indeed probably not happen.

[sly ivy]

How dare u why in the last 12 dawn of fire books so much happened that uh

Uhhhhhh

[storm jungle]

LMAO

I still cannot get over just how mediocre this entire "series" was.

It feels like the Star Wars sequel trilogy

literally some new shit every book with barely any connection to the actual setup minus like 3-5 books out of 13 💀

[languid meadow]

the only thing I remember about the series is the racism aura that the high lords give off when talking to that eldar

[storm jungle]

Competitive.

[sly ivy]

Competitive racism? I’m in. Where??

[sly ivy]

I remain annoyed that the silent king model is just BIG NECROON instead of the cool way he was described in that short where he’s wearing the sanguinius mask

[tiny nova]

How closely are the arbites to the administratum, like I know they're completely different organizations but they have a lot of overhang in duty probably?

[storm jungle]

They dont care at any capacity.

Arbites only get involved in Administratum business IF something regarding the tithes happens.

its one of the reasons why people compare them to the FBI a lot, like the arbeez wont be going after anyone the Administratum will point them at unless theres an actual reasons for it

[dire loom]

Pay your taxes

[opaque coyote]

So if a gang like

Mugs somebody in front of an arbite

[dire loom]

[opaque coyote]

An Arbite doesn't need to actually stop it

[dire loom]

It depends, did they pay their taxes?

[opaque coyote]

Like by their job definition

[opaque coyote]

You don't know

You have to go to there

[dire loom]

Not my problem then.

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

Thats an Enforcers job yes.

and even they dont usually care lol

[dire loom]

My work here is done.

No need to thank me.

walks away

[opaque coyote]

Like I expect most Arbites to stop it anyways because an unofficial requirement is to be really really high strung

But by stop it I mean

Shoot the aggressive looking one and leave

Maybe call the enforcers to deal with it

[dire loom]

They could do something, but it depends on the Arbitrator etc.

Technically yes they can execute a criminal or heretics etc.

I had a few memes in my archives. I'll have to find em later on though after work if I remember.

[opaque coyote]

Although aren't Arbites also the first responders to any like

Rebellion

Especially if it involves C H A O S

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

[dire loom]

They have the right to purge, kill and execute, but mostly go after the bigger threats to the Imperium from within higher up on the pyramid.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah makes sense

[dire loom]

To enforce the Lex against a corrupted nobility or planetary governor etc.

[opaque coyote]

Reminds me of Cruelty Squad. Where they're mainly there to protect the interests of companies

Like a politician trying to get a company tax of a whole

...0.5%

And there's also mention of a "SEC Death Squad"

The Arbites kinda reminds me of that but for the Imperium's interests instead

Pay your taxes or the IRS Death Squad will come after you

[dire loom]

Yeah, if you complain about your corpse starch taste. Jail

[opaque coyote]

ATTENTION CITIZEN-

[young pecan]

I thought the primary job was making sure ball-crushing factory workers don't push for human rights

Because that disrupts The Tithe

[opaque coyote]

I mean also that

[dire loom]

That too

Jail

[opaque coyote]

Arbites do technically have the authority to go after nobles right?

Like a noble refuses to contribute to the tithe for whatever reason

So

[young pecan]

"Did I just catch you trying to be something"

[young pecan]

I would assume so

The Imperial machine must be fed, both from the privileged and under privileged

In the wiki it stressed muh tithe a lot so

[opaque coyote]

Again

God we need a Hive City Management Simulator

[young pecan]

What if you play an ignorant factory monopoly boss' heir who is taking up the reigns

So everything is worded a little more shiny like

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I like to think that would be part of the game also

Like you have to get people that actually report accurately so that you know the actual situation

[young pecan]

Maybe as the heir learns more you can make decisions to lean into the bad or take an extremely punishing "good" path

[opaque coyote]

Instead of just bullshitting you to placate you

[young pecan]

Because we all know human rights are expensive

And the other factory bosses can gobble you up in an instant if you fall behind

[polar hill]

Well it'd be a violation of the Lex so yeah, the Arbitrator would

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I thought of that too as an optional challenge with an achievement.

[polar hill]

Also it's Arbites for singular and plural

[opaque coyote]

But no actual reward or unique ending. Except for the achievement.

Like you're basically intentionally gimping yourself

By not committing war crimes (tm)

There isn't any real reward for it.

Would fit the Grimdark theme well

Doing horrible shit is the normal, and at this point, the galaxy expects it

It should still be possible

But harder than if you just did some war crimes

I'd imagine the achievement title would be mocking as well

"Conglation! You did it!"

"You're winner!"

[arctic talon]

Hive city manager

Better let you make horrendous decisions like frostpunk

[opaque coyote]

I'd imagine that would kinda be the default

To outright not do horrendous shit would be the challenge

[young pecan]

I think it would be a better representation of the setting for you to be able to strive for a good ending, but making it horrendously difficult

There is hope but only just enough to tempt you to try, if you're brave

Like you're gimping yourself but there's a foreseeable reward

[opaque coyote]

I think the good ending should be kinda like

Hesitant? If that makes any sense

Like the tone of it is nervous but hopeful

Either that or mocking

[dire loom]

They have supreme authority.

Basically diet coke Inquisition

Arbites would make a good member of the Inquisition too with their skills, knowledge and experience.

[copper patrol]

supreme authority until someone holds a bigger gun at them basically

[opaque coyote]

"Congratulations, you turned one backwater planet into a half decent place to live! How wonderful. How long can you keep it up? 300 years? 500? 700? Do you think it can truly live through the galaxy?"

[dire loom]

Ty fren

[opaque coyote]

T h a n k

[median star]

are their different branchs of the arbites like the inquisition or are they all just one big happy family

[storm jungle]

Soulshackle more or less answers all these questions ye

[storm jungle]

No just Arbites.

[copper patrol]

same deal with inquisitors, being too nosy or trying to get at the wrong people is a good way to get killed, even if they are technically above them

[storm jungle]

they are one of the must "unified" factions in the Imperium

Inquisitors generally work with Mafia City logic

the higher your level the more shit you get away with

[median star]

do they have their own void vessels or do they just hitch rides

[storm jungle]

Both.

[young pecan]

Fucking Osma

||Grinding through the ranks and getting the previous head honcho killed just to retry killing Eisenhorn||

[median star]

is their a known like head dude to the arbites

[copper patrol]

they have a high lord on terra iirc

[median star]

are they just some smuck or just as balls to the wall

[storm jungle]

Just their high lord person

otherwise nada

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grand_Provost_Marshal

[median star]

whats they say the rank of the npc one wed have on the morningstar was going to be

[young pecan]

Something like that or slightly foreboding

But still light on the horizon

Even if rocky

[storm jungle]

Marshal

[median star]

also why are the 6th called scabs i get the other being called dregs because yaknow theyre dregs of society but tf does scab have to do w anything

[storm jungle]

its a slang term

who the fuck knows

next question

[young pecan]

This sounds sorta fitting

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[young pecan]

In a way

[storm jungle]

that is funny

[copper patrol]

it's that + a scab being an icky thing

[polar hill]

"Scab" as an insult comes from the 16th century. It means "unpleasant/contemptible person"

I remember hearing it used often to describe pirates

[median star]

think the entirety of the 6th made it back to atoma b4 going awall or theyve got some yar har fiddle mode aswell

[winter vessel]

the first time i heard of "scab" being used outside of the scarring wounds you get from blood clotting were those hostile survivors from the xbox game, Sunset Overdrive

[dire loom]

Scab Gunner!!

Nam flashbacks

If you know, yah know.

So much sliding. Lol

Weaving and dodging..

[polar hill]

Brother the gunners are still cancer

'Nam ain't in flashbacks, we're still in the jungle

[median star]

"HEAVY RAIN" 🗣️

[dire loom]

Do y'all like the story so far of Darktide?

I do. It's deep but sometimes Grimderp.

[winter vessel]

truthfully, the bane of my existence are the pox hounds when you don't time a dodge or block on em.

and trappers

gunners have gotten tolerable for me.

a well placed headshot

[median star]

the scab gunners definitely has my favorite enemy dialogue

[arctic talon]

They love what they do

[dire loom]

I wanna play as one if they ever do a PvP mode versus.

[median star]

also the scab shotgunner going " your not even real soldiers!" moments before dying

[dire loom]

Veteran:

[winter vessel]

POV: When you get a little too into your roleplaying at Airsoft parks

[outer wave]

"Opening up!"

[winter vessel]

funny how much of a 180 aesthetic happened for the regiment's initial colors and the long Dead loyalists from the 6th

[median star]

"welcome to the slaughter"

[outer wave]

I wonder where they got the masks

Maybe the Admonition had them

Also I wonder what the fuck is going on with the crusher

[arctic talon]

The masks were already in their kit

[winter vessel]

maybe. But ik there had to be changes for the regiment due to the toxicity of Nox Alpha

[arctic talon]

I'd assume

or they were issued them on Nox Alpha

[outer wave]

Ah right Nox Alpha was really toxic

Still doesnt explain whats going on with the Crusher's tubes that dangle beneath his helm

[arctic talon]

well

full helmet replacement

They're not wearing the origina helmet

Its completely different

[winter vessel]

this is Crusher Lite

[copper patrol]

it's like a streched version of the og

[outer wave]

^

[median star]

"hey scab gunner you ever think its kindof weird that your gas mask looks stinkingly similar to the symbol these cultist keep putting everywhere"

[arctic talon]

They likely scrapped it and rebuilt it

For either field situations

or when they fell

[outer wave]

The tubing must've been part of a respirator

The electronic wiring may have sensed the breathing habits and adapted the air conditions according to how the ogryn was breathing

[copper patrol]

ogryn seither got pissy with it and broke it or they severed it when they nurgled it up

[winter vessel]

Darktide's version of Payday's Cloaker

[arctic talon]

Maulers seem to be using stolen forge worker stuff

lol

for the helmet

[copper patrol]

isn't there mention of the maulers and ragers pre-fall for the moebian 6th

shock combat units or some shite

[languid meadow]

I love how the snipers have no voicelines outside of their dying groans

[winter vessel]

Scab Sniper voice line: Zwoooosh BOOM

[arctic talon]

The Moebian were already an elite infantry shock force

So its likely maulers and ragers existed in some way

though definitely with more refined gear

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[copper patrol]

and probably slighlty less crazy

[arctic talon]

The moebians likely were running into supply issues

On Nox alpha

even before they fell

[winter vessel]

that is hinted in that flashback for Morrow

[arctic talon]

field repairs, fixes that were meant to be "temporary" became the norm

the brusiers not having helmets is(probably) gameplay

[copper patrol]

giving the beef stick guys more drugs prolly started as well(or just more combat stim usage in general)

[arctic talon]

yeah

oh actually

the Scab captain

lowkey has a similar helmet

to the oryn

*ogryn

I do have one minor annoyance with the loyalist Moebian Sixth skins

[winter vessel]

i like how at the initial start our warband worked in tandem with the 21st. But the 21st keeps getting steamrolled and their forces being turned against us because of blighted stimms. then comes the 53rd going all like "Let ME deal with this nuisance professionally".

[arctic talon]

the rebreathers aren't the same

I really wish the gasmasks had the same design

though I suppose the traitor mobians helmets could just be what their gasmasks ended up looking like as they ran out of supplies

[copper patrol]

it looks significantly less refined thats for sure

[winter vessel]

21st is just having tough luck

[arctic talon]

It looks like the entire front part got torn off and either there was a cloth part underneath where they attached another gasmask/rebreather apparatus or they replaced it with an alternative gas mask

I guess the difference in look can all be chalked up to, how they looked before deployment and how they looked as they were running out of supplies

[arctic talon]

do they even exist anymore lol

[copper patrol]

you think chaos corruption gives a spike fixation or something

"gotta let them know we are bad by putting spikes on everything"

[arctic talon]

yes

The chaos symbol is spikey

therfore we must be spikey

look at those spikes

[winter vessel]

they just keep having the brunt of this conflict as the Prima Donna regiment, the "53rd Steelheads", swagger on in. And with how much they are getting their asses handed to em, wouldn't be surprised if the 21st started "voluntarily" siding with the 6th and admonition.

[arctic talon]

also

the steelheads are a mechanized/armored regiment

They're not gona have a good time in atoma

is my bet

[winter vessel]

and they deploy in a Hive city

like its big, but

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[winter vessel]

kinda handicapping yourself

[arctic talon]

you are not fitting a chimera

into the places you need t ogo

lol

[copper patrol]

bikes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749799445478244393/1265479387571159182/crackbert.gif

[arctic talon]

We know they have a "knight commander"(tank commander) in their ranks

Which wait, does that mean The 53rd use fucking cadian naming conventions

or did they just steal Knight Commander from the cadians lol

[winter vessel]

i mean in lore, the 21st are better suited since they fight typically in "dark wet" urban environments and cramped conditions

its just they keep sucking

[arctic talon]

yeah

[copper patrol]

good chance they just use the cadian naming conventions, pretty sure lotsa non-denominational regiments are based of or trained by cadians(at least the first sets)

[arctic talon]

In any case

imo the 53rd are going to start eating shit

I mean we already saw them eat shit

during the like

intro video for rolling steel lol

where they get gunned down

[winter vessel]

"just had to follow the damn train CJ!"

we had to get them out of that pickle

don't know what other regiment in lore also has a profession of enclosed engagements

[arctic talon]

Savlar Chemdogs, Athonian tunnel rats

[winter vessel]

Mordant acid dogs

[arctic talon]

I can't think of any else

lol

[winter vessel]

vostroyans

and thats it for me

[copper patrol]

enclosed engagement fighting isn't as flashy as 40k's usual mess of trench warframe and nonsense charges

so there isn't a whole lot of named regiments that are specialized in it

[arctic talon]

Well we have regiments specialized in it

[opaque coyote]

This is only kinda related to 40k but fuck it.

Out of curiosity

[arctic talon]

we even used to have a gamemode

for it

[opaque coyote]

Let's say I make a fan game for 40k

[arctic talon]

called Zone Mortalis lol

[opaque coyote]

I release it for free

On like itch.io or something

Would GW try to send its copyright lawyers after me?

Like how bad are they exactly

Like Nintendo bad?

[arctic talon]

They'll just tell you to take it down

if they want it down

They won't send copyright lawyers after you unless you don't back down

thats how its been observed

[crystal forum]

wolf it's past your bed time

[opaque coyote]

Yeah so if I release a fan game, and it actually gets noticed.

That will happen most likely

[winter vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-gif-17785973135689638829 and if you don't back down...

[arctic talon]

Its literally 7:45 PM

[arctic talon]

just don't called it warhammer 40k

and just make it "inspired" lol

[opaque coyote]

Damn

[winter vessel]

Pandrummer 50k

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

and then release a total conversion mod

or don't

lol

[opaque coyote]

LMAO.

Releasing the game with like funny titles

[arctic talon]

but yeah 40k used to have dedicated CQB gamemode

[opaque coyote]

And then go on an alt account and post a ""conversion"' mod

[arctic talon]

except it died

and then got partially revived in Heresy

and then partially revived in 40k

piecemeal lol

[winter vessel]

"the deadly ground"

[arctic talon]

boarding actions take several of the rules from Boarding action and Zone Mortalis from Badab

and also the anphelion base thingy from anphelion

and escape from the depths

[opaque coyote]

Honestly that's kinda sad since if I ever decide to make a fangame. One of my ideas was for 40k

Sad

[arctic talon]

Zone Mortalis in 30k, just takes exclusively from Zone Mortalis in Badab

lol

and is themed entierly around combat in zero-g shitty ship conditions

anyways did you know you need to roll dice if you use a jump pack

and see if they slam their head into the roof and die instantly

[opaque coyote]

At least there's still Sonic

Thank god Sega is chill with fangames

Honestly a miracle

Now if only Nintendo was also

[arctic talon]

I would kill for GW to properly revive Zone mortalis/Boarding actions/Escape from the depths lol

[winter vessel]

some of the modded halo games were pretty fun

[arctic talon]

Escape from the depths terrain requirements are kind of absurd though

[opaque coyote]

I hate the fact that if I ever want to make like a fangame out of passion. I would have to worry about being chased by the company of the franchise that I am a fan for.

[winter vessel]

i still remember SPV3

[arctic talon]

since its a fucking cave system terrain

and I've literally never seen

anyone make that

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the Halo modding scene is still going well

Which is nice

[arctic talon]

tbf

literally just do what void war does

or what Chapter master did

its easy as shit

[winter vessel]

someone made a ground up alternate Halo 3 aftermath campaign that has no involvement with the forerunners in 4

[arctic talon]

it takes like nearly 0 effort to do

[opaque coyote]

Which is what

[winter vessel]

and its pretty mint

[arctic talon]

Generic name, mod that replaces all the generic stuff with 40k

mod is developed by the dev

and is installed by default

lol

now granted chapter master is dead

because the dev stopped giving a shit back in like

2015

though I think the repository is still probably somewhere lol

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I'll just do that if I ever do so LMAO.

Could even have some fun with the default version.

Name "Fight shovel 400,000"

"Sphess Martinez"

[winter vessel]

Flashgitz has done well for themselves on that with Space King

"Psycho Warriors"-Space Marines

"grim lord"-highborn

[arctic talon]

unfortunately that would require me to watch flashgitz

[opaque coyote]

Psycho Warriors actually sounds like a decent chapter name ngl

[opaque coyote]

Also this

[winter vessel]

Ah i remember my first watch of them...the console wars

mario kart

[opaque coyote]

I mean I think the worst part is how the style is just

Kinda fucking bad

[winter vessel]

Super Future

shame they never went back on that

I do like their recent video of them practically giving the the middle finger to a network and not selling their rights to their animation

[opaque coyote]

Like he's clearly a competent artist.

Good even

In terms of like objective quality

But I just don't like his style and more importantly just the subject matter of his videos

40k vs Furries. So original

Didn't see that before

[winter vessel]

Everyone has a phase

Then that one time they parodied the opening for LOTR 🤣

[opaque coyote]

I feel like he has been on the same phase for like

Forever

[winter vessel]

"twitter" being mordor is spot on

[opaque coyote]

Maybe he has changed but I'm not willing to watch to find out

[opaque coyote]

Although I am admittedly worried because like

The game I have in mind outright has the Chaos Gods involved

And it's gonna be a bit awkward to try and make up alternative names for them

[arctic talon]

Just

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

steal the stellaris names

for their totally not chaos gods

lol

[opaque coyote]

Alternative names that are serious anyways

I could make up plenty of funny ones

[winter vessel]

look, best you can do involving the Chaos Gods is just use elements from the Game Monster Prom

[arctic talon]

Compser of Strands: Nurgle
Eater of Worlds: Khorne
Instrument of Desire: Slaanes
Whispers in the Void: Tzeentch

End of the cycle: slaanesh but you birth them lol

[opaque coyote]

Basically just a Rogue-like based off of the journey of your average Aspiring Champion called

The Great Game

[opaque coyote]

3/4 of those names actually sound like euphemisms that actual Chaos Worshippers would use

I like it

Although Composer of Strands is confusing

[arctic talon]

Which one doesn't sound like a euphamism lol

Its "composing" DNA

the strands refers to DNA

[opaque coyote]

Ah

[arctic talon]

though I suppose thats not easy to understand without seeing the bonus

[opaque coyote]

Nurgle is more like decay though

[arctic talon]

Nurgle is life

and rot

Disease is life after all

[opaque coyote]

I was thinking of like

Conductor of Locusts

Or something

Idk

[winter vessel]

the loathsome dung eater

[arctic talon]

lol

In any case

Nurgle represents life

[opaque coyote]

I know where that is from

But that might actually be half decent

[arctic talon]

This has been a core part of them for a while

[winter vessel]

SIR GIDEON OFNIR. THE ALL-KNOWING

[opaque coyote]

True. But you don't think of DNA strands about Nurgle. You think of Decomposition to grow new life.

[arctic talon]

Which is happening tbf

Flesh sloughs off your pops to become more pops

[opaque coyote]

Also would Nurgle represent Viruses? We don't consider them alive

I mean the answer is probably "Duh yeah"

But still

[arctic talon]

answer is yes

there's a few of nurgles diseases that are called virus's

[winter vessel]

https://youtu.be/_ovdm2yX4MA?si=Pmq6AdpG5NJcSkTX

woops wrong chat

[arctic talon]

lol

[winter vessel]

still, classic

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I guess Conductor of Strands makes sense in that regard

Since Viruses are basically just DNA strands with specific instructions

[arctic talon]

also the composer of strands boosts bio weapons lol

which is fucking hilarious

because bio weapons kind of suck in Stellaris, because pops are more valuble then planets

so killing everyone, kind of defeats the purpose of taking a planet

[opaque coyote]

Unless if you are willing to do a little bit of tomfoolery

I tried Stellaris btw

I uh

Didn't know what the fuck I was doing 99% of the time

Got taken over

[arctic talon]

yeah the games tutorials are uh

not great

I recomend Montu or E3PO's tutorials for that game

but like meh

[opaque coyote]

If there is any actual tutorials that let me know what the fuck I should do please help

[arctic talon]

I learned by getting my ass beat

[opaque coyote]

[opaque coyote]

How long

Did it take for you to actually somewhat succeed

[arctic talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya9wOYyZTtk

[opaque coyote]

Like I think I uninstalled the game because I kept getting stone walled

[winter vessel]

strategy games are not my forte. Outside of both Halo Wars and the Command and Conquer games.

[arctic talon]

Took me like 12 hours of gametime

Tbh stellaris is not really a strategy game micro wise

its all macro

[opaque coyote]

Damn I am fucking stupid

I think I have 15ish

[arctic talon]

there's no new guide for the big new patch

yet

[opaque coyote]

Then again I think I spent most of it just trying to know what the fuck I am doing

[arctic talon]

so stuff on population and stuff

is rough

I had the very basics

so I cheated

because I read the iwki

*wiki

[winter vessel]

"a game in limbo" is what it is

[opaque coyote]

Don't even have a lot of the DLCs

[arctic talon]

well

the update isn't DLC

the only DLC thats mandatory is like

Utopia

because Utopia adds a fuck ton

[opaque coyote]

God that's still going on?

I swear Yandere Simulator might actually be finished before Star Citizen

[opaque coyote]

Should I get that or nah

[arctic talon]

See if you like the game first

[opaque coyote]

Alright then

[winter vessel]

whats funny is how some are so into it, that those who embrace the merc lifestyle actually hire themselves out to other players in exchange for resources

like private military contractors

[opaque coyote]

EVE Online moment

[arctic talon]

If you want to play hivemind stuff Utopia is mandatory

[opaque coyote]

Although that game is uh

Uhhh

How do I say this

If WoW is for nerds, then EVE is for those mfs that never leave their basements

Genshin Impact pales in comparison with how much grind that game requires

It is fucking miniscule

And the game's community is fucking insane

[arctic talon]

regarding like DLCs a lot of the DLCs are flavor, most of the species packs add almost nothing

[opaque coyote]

Not even in a good or bad way. Just insane

[arctic talon]

lol

Its a second job

[opaque coyote]

So Utopia

And

That's all that's well

Necessary if I like it

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

A part of me is still excited by the concept but also like

It's just boring as shit

Also almost impossible to get into as a new player

I swear at least War Thunder has actual tank and plane battles. So I get it despite the extreme grind and the company being EA tier.

[winter vessel]

war thunder

we're on that BESH

[opaque coyote]

I tried Enlisted which is by the same company

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/WAN6oZeCV1M?si=iI2JgQwYQrsOSm78

what stellaris players that we're pacifist listen to when they just begin losing everything and decide to go balls to the wall

[opaque coyote]

It was really fun

But them they started making it painful to grind

And I stopped

And apparently after that it just got worse

And now it's dead

[arctic talon]

basically mandatory
Utopia

very nice
Apocalypse, megacorp, galactic paragons

Specific playstyle
Nemesis(genocide), synthetic dawn(machines), Machine age(more machines and cyborg stuff), biogenesis(bio stuff), Federations(diplomacy), Shadows of the Shroud(soon™️ Psionic stuff)

Self contained but nice for more stuff:
Leviathans, distant stars, ancient relics, first contact, astral planes, grand archive

Species Packs
more fluff, some traits, mostly 4fun>

Literal dogshit DLC that makes the game worse: Cosmic storms

[opaque coyote]

Thank you

[arctic talon]

astral planes is probably the worst of the self contained stuff

but its still good

saying Cosmic Storms should be burned in a fire is an insult to fire

[queen laurel]

what the heck does that DLC do anyway

[arctic talon]

It makes the game worse

[opaque coyote]

For some reason I am imagining a flamer shooting out a jet of flame

And then just

Side stepping the enemy

[arctic talon]

you know the cosmic storm modifier right

that happens midgame often

[queen laurel]

You hate that thing like how AM hates humanity in I have no mouth but I must scream damn

[arctic talon]

well what if that became more common

and it made them modifiable

and worse

and then you had the ability to summon them

[opaque coyote]

AM is me whenever a game I love becomes worse

[arctic talon]

Anyways cosmic storms has one good part

which is in PVP

[opaque coyote]

So... my Rainbow Six Siege experience

[arctic talon]

but I don't play PVP

cosmic storms is ideal for trolling people in MP

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/EddX9hnhDS4?si=pxZV1QjLVG8eg5nh wolf when cosmic storms

[arctic talon]

because you can essentially turn someones ability to play the game off

by just

spamming storms on them

[opaque coyote]

I swear.

You can give the most calm monk a PC with R6S downloaded

And within hours

They will not only lose their faith in God

But become a raging lunatic