40k-lore-chat

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/jin-roh-anime-retro-anime-wolf-brigade-kerberos-gif-6238591239963292006

[plush mason]

yeah that could easily age like fine milk

[opaque coyote]

I hope it doesn't

[sour hornet]

They aura farm so hard its unreal

[opaque coyote]

Why did the Nazi's have such good fashion in general?

[opaque coyote]

Like they're used as reference for so many evil empires for a reason

[sour hornet]

At the end, a guy shoots a panzer cop with a grenade, and it fucking bounces off and explodes behind him while he stands there like a badass.

[plush mason]

it was by design

[opaque coyote]

Honestly. Is it weird that I wish we got to see more of them

Like for Regina's cyberpsycho quest line I was so sure that we would eventually encounter them

At least they appear if you get 5 stars if you decide to go all GTA

[plush mason]

V being a lucid cyberpsyco really made it hard to show just how powerful MAXTAC actually are

[winter vessel]

no, these guys are tough hombres even for my max stat v

if V were john wick these guys would be like high table soldiers

[plush mason]

V basically becomes a demigod

[opaque coyote]

I mean even for like interactions of quests.

I think there's only one quest where they also appear

And a neat detail is that one of the Maxtac is actually that one cyberpsycho girl from that really old trailer

[plush mason]

one path of the dlc put them in the spot light

[plush mason]

it also got an npc i liked killed and lead to a POS horror segment so i fully ignored it

[winter vessel]

i really hope that with the announcement of CDPR's continued support to expand its content on 2077, it'll open the door to work with other factions or even be in their employment

[opaque coyote]

In general, if there is one thing everyone wished for 2077.

It's for more technology to shove into ourselves. Seriously the Projectile launcher is actually kinda lame

Since you lose the ability to use

Mantis blades, Mono wire, or Gorilla fists

...and instead get a single use grenade

Gee thanks

Couldn't include both?

Or have flamethrower arms

(without the Malorian)

[winter vessel]

i just wanted to give more visual background to my V. That's where mods come into play.

[opaque coyote]

I also wished the Corp security were better

Like you're telling me that the corps that run the world cannot get better securit-

...

Actually that makes sense now that I think about it. They probably would've cut corners.

But still

I think there should've been High Ranking Corp Security on par with Maxtac

And the only reason why they weren't there on the intro mission?

Cause of the planned assassination

[sour hornet]

I mean, there are, but its really unnecessary.

[opaque coyote]

True

Idk

Then again, I also want Cyberpsychosis to somehow be implemented

But there's not really any meaningful way to do that

[sour hornet]

MaxTac are literally police, Arasaka and Militech have death squads and SpecOps killteams.

[opaque coyote]

Also would limit player choice

Maybe a Route?

Idk

[sour hornet]

Limitations of a playable game vs a tabletop one

In TT the GM can literally just take over you character for a little bit

To simulate loss of control or psychosis

[opaque coyote]

I also thought about if Cyberpunk ever implemented a speech thing similar to Fallout.

More cybernetics would make it harder and harder to talk to people

Because they don't see a recognizable human being anymore. They just see a mass of steel and wires.

[sour hornet]

Visible combat cybernetics*

[winter vessel]

they just a see a weaponized Roomba

[opaque coyote]

Of course.

Yeah so it would be harder to do things like talk people down or negotiate without intimidating

But to negate this there should be cosmetic cybernetics

[sour hornet]

All sorts of implants make it easy to talk to people. Your corpo V's visual feed was being update real time when you were talking to your boss—telling you his favorite hobbies and subjects lol.

[opaque coyote]

Because try being an empathetic person when you look like the next Adam Smasher

[sour hornet]

IRL guide to conversional success

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I was thinking of there being implants to make conversations easier

But it does nothing to combat

But it does help you sell items for better prices

Get better rewards, talk to people

Etc.

I also wish Street Cred was an actual aspect beyond a funny number

[sour hornet]

I just want better clothes, cybernetics and hairstyles.

It's hard to feed badass when everyone looks cooler than you

[opaque coyote]

I want Rebecca's synth skin. She pulls it off well

Maybe I could have it for free!

Considering...

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-rebecca-cyberpunk-adam-smasher-youre-ruining-our-moment-here-smash-gif-26854687

[opaque coyote]

I mean she isn't gonna miss it

[winter vessel]

chrome skin would be cool to have

[sour hornet]

Give me cool synth skin

I want her skin.

[opaque coyote]

I think we could at least have the social aspect of Cyberpsychosis in

AKA making you less relatable to regular people

And as a result any attempt at being a warrior poet falls flat

Since you can barely relate to humanity

You still have to act out the breakdown part

But let's just say you're a functional one

[sour hornet]

I'm forced to look normal

When I really wanna borg out

[opaque coyote]

Born to borg

Forced to be a meatbag

• Tech Priest

[winter vessel]

really mods can only fill that void for me

[sour hornet]

Real

[winter vessel]

got cyber arms downloaded and different hair replacements

and language changers

[sour hornet]

I don't typically like playing female characters in rpgs, but cyberpunk with mods is an exception

[winter vessel]

same

[gray umbra]

I pretty much do something like that

[languid meadow]

I always love doing tacticool outfits in cyberpunk

just wish there was more corporate pieces to wear

[spring cairn]

i hope they unleash the horrors when it come to character customisation for the second instalment

make it more like the source material

[stray bluff]

Oh the tabletop is?

[astral burrow]

Cant believe they are really making a star wars movie about pilots

With Ryan Gosling

Literally "Fly"

[astral burrow]

KILL BOSS

[opaque coyote]

Honestly thought more about how Cyberpsychosis could be implemented

Basically it mainly affects the social aspects

Things like Romance, being able to talk out of a situation, etc.

Become harder and harder as you borg up.

When you're in combat. There's an increasing chance of every enemy just becoming a dark silhouette. Even while hacking, you can't recognize if they're an enemy or not. Their speech is just random gibberish. The more combat implants, the more chance of this randomly happening in battle.

But not just enemies, civilians and cops as well. Who are either running, or checking the sudden commotion.

So you might accidentally shoot them anddd now you got a 3* rating and the NCPD are after you

Although I can imagine that maybe the star rating would be invisible if you're undergoing cyberpsychosis

[astral burrow]

So just reduces cool

[opaque coyote]

Basically.

Either that or heightens the requirements by a lot

If they keep the voice acting for the MC. I also imagine that depending on the amount of cybernetics. You also sound less emotional

Maybe with different reactions for certain scenes. Like say a friend dies

With a balanced amount, you actually cry, and feel emotional.

With Cyberpsychosis, you're just silent as the screen glitches.

Words pop up. Words of vengeance and the demand to kill who's responsible

With the cyberpsycho vision immediately beginning

But it is still up to you whether you fully go through with it

[astral burrow]

Yeah I wouldn't expect too much

Don't want another cyberpunk release moment

[astral burrow]

Havent played darktide or rogue trader in a whiiile lmao

Hope they go on sale in summer or smth

[umbral kraken]

i like the custom radio mod for 77

[tough haven]

I might actually play a second installment if they learn from their mistakes

Going to make as much of a tech priest as I can

[raven stone]

Be me
Reinstalled Division 2 to scratch itch
"oh hey I can play all the past Manhunt missions to catch up on the story!"
The entire stock inventory of BTSU Marauder Copters: ALLOW US TO INTRODUCE OURSELVES

(No really every Manhunt boss fight features at least one of those damned things...)

[astral burrow]

The idea of playing division 2 is great

Playing division 2, not so much

[ornate estuary]

The idea of playing fallout 4 or fallout London, vs actually trying to mod them enough so they're playable.

[umbral kraken]

modding can be more appealing sometimes and then you never play the game itself

[ornate estuary]

I had fallout London installed and modded, working properly. I played it for a while. Then one afternoon I went to boot it up and textures off in the distance were purple. And nothing would fix it. Lol. So I stopped playing it.

I spent about 7 hours trying to fix it before I gave up. Whatever broke was something that not even uninstalling and reinstalling from scratch could fix sans mods. Using the gog installer alone.

[umbral kraken]

possibly some random file in appdata was why. like maybe the shader cache

[rocky gale]

Turns out when they actually make new models instead of rereleasing 40 year old tat you actually get a good stuff

[copper patrol]

GW drop the Cathay stuff for old world?

[arctic talon]

Preorder soon

Iirc

Or today

[rocky gale]

It will be next weeks preorder

So on Saturday

[queen laurel]

Yeah as much as i do not care enough for cathay

Their minis look good

[arctic talon]

Lol, there’s a ship in ftl multiverse designed entirely for Zoltan suicide bombing

[queen laurel]

Wolf can you tell me what train of thought and events on your head decided to lead you onto typing that there's a ship about suicide bombing on a fictional setting

[arctic talon]

I’m drunk

At 11:00 in the day

💀

[queen laurel]

Aight fair

[arctic talon]

Because I have work tomorrow and can’t drink at night

[rocky gale]

Yea like no interest in playing Old World or collecting Cathay, but good for them

[queen laurel]

Godspeed metal sapling

[arctic talon]

Steal them for cities of sigmar

Free steelhelms!

Well not free

But they’d look great as them, I think

[queen laurel]

I mean these work for a chinese themed cities of sigmar

[queen laurel]

Yeah like i have zero interest but even i have to admit they put some serious work on that stuff

[languid meadow]

Terracotta Sentinel glow up is insane, I love the model so much

[sly ivy]

BIG OGG HELP (dragon) EMPEROR

[young pecan]

Is Vampire Count just a cooler Tomb Kings

I just tried Sylvania for the first time, Isabella's fun

[sly ivy]

Happy Father’s Day 2 those who celebrate

[rocky gale]

No one here has a father

[sly ivy]

……..

Dilara is far 2 manly not 2 have a father

[spring cairn]

That's not true

[sly ivy]

Oh boy here we go

[spring cairn]

I'm the father of everybody here

(fucked your moms)

[sly ivy]

……. that’s not even very creative

Oh well hey dad

[rocky gale]

https://i.redd.it/g5czczmn1k6f1.gif

[polar hill]

Arbymeats

https://tenor.com/view/bogiesmalls-gif-860452889982698652

[celest willow]

bruh i just realized something

out of all the psykers the seer is the most vulnerable to slaneesh bc of his ego

[polar hill]

You mean the Loner?

The Seer (the one who talks to the Emperor's shard) really doesn't have that much of an ego

[opaque coyote]

Apparently for Covenant

Uh

Apparently the Alien can regenerate limbs

The alien that was dismembered is still alive

And will regenerate it's limbs

Perfect Organism is an understatement

[celest willow]

he will sometimes say the emperor said so just to boost his authority

the seer actually has a fairly large ego

[opaque coyote]

Regenerating your fucking limbs like a Tardigrade is terrifying

[celest willow]

the loner is more so pissy

[young pecan]

I don't believe Seer knows it's the Emperor, whether it actually is or not

[polar hill]

He doesn't, and he doesn't say stuff just to boost himself, he says what the Emperor says. The shard even talks around the Seer to appraise the Loose Cannon

[celest willow]

the seer thinks he is speaking to the emperor

[young pecan]

When is this mentioned?

[celest willow]

whenever the zealots talk about the emperor he replies back with my beloved when talking back about him

[celest dome]

He might think it is, but nothing is certain at all

[celest willow]

yup

[young pecan]

Everything I have seen, he only mentions cryptic things that people who know lore can interpret in that way, but the average person probably couldn't

Never heard that voice line then

Which zealot personality is it?

[outer wave]

We have both evidence that it could be an Emperor shard, and that it could be some sort of Tzeentch Daemon (he has a dream about the crystal castle of Tzeentch floating over pink fire)

[polar hill]

Y'all really need to just listen to a collage of the Seer's dialogue, there is zero question that he believes his Beloved is the Emperor

[celest willow]

bro tried to use the emperor as a excuse for more people to respect him and to get out of battle

[polar hill]

No, he doesn't lol

[celest willow]

yeah he does bruh

[storm jungle]

thats more delusion than excess

hes literally insane lol

[polar hill]

I've been playing Seer for months and have heard all his dialogue, he never uses the Emperor as an excuse for anything and certainly never as a means to elevate himself

[storm jungle]

yeah that

[outer wave]

Erm, excess of delusion?

[storm jungle]

im gonna excess your delusion in a minute

[outer wave]

[storm jungle]

but yeah the Emperor or whoever is speaking to Seer is mostly there as a guy in the backseat

[outer wave]

😔

[storm jungle]

since we know it actively gives him tips, orders or suggestions

its like you the player almost

hmmm

[outer wave]

Ooooh

That's a cool interpretation

All three interpretations all have the same motives at least

[celest willow]

Zealot:"Fear not, pilgrims. The God emperor demands our service, and will not find us lacking."

Seer: "I dont have to take part. My Beloved said so."

[outer wave]

Tzeentch hates Nurgle and would probably wanna fuck around a bit for his own gain, Emperor Shard would willingly help the Seer out to prevent the collapse of a city, and the player is trying to play the game and knows meta knowledge of the universe

Though I dunno if Emperor Shard would ever admit to his systems being cruel and hypocritical

[copper patrol]

a shard maybe would

the full thing probably not

[polar hill]

How does this read as an excuse to get out of fighting when the Seer continues to fight anyway?

[outer wave]

True

[celest willow]

the Emperor finds his corrupted system to be cruel and hypocritical

the whole dying for thousands of years and having your followers and governments turn into corrupt zealots thing

[outer wave]

Yeah that sure and the stagnation of learning yes, but the rest? Would he really care?

[celest willow]

will an excuse isnt always gonna work

[celest dome]

Not like the whole system he was trying to put in place was much better

[young pecan]

"We both serve my Beloved. You should serve me too, really."
(zealot talking about the emperor demanding service) "I don't have to take part. My Beloved said so."

[polar hill]

Yes
The systems of the current Imperium run directly counter to the Imperium he hoped for during the Great Crusade

[young pecan]

I do see now that Seer def thinks it's the emperor though

I haven't heard the voice line that confirmed it for me until now

[outer wave]

Exactly, that'd imply Emperor had some self awareness of what his system was like lmao. Which, from what I've heard of his interpretations from the HH books and TLC, yeah no I doubt it.

[polar hill]

The first one is a joke, you can hear it in his tone and he makes jokes like that all the time

[outer wave]

Good point

[celest willow]

I feel like the Seer is trying to capitalize on the emperor

[young pecan]

True, him and loner are so sassy

Love it for them

[languid meadow]

I love Loners big ass ego

[celest willow]

"why dont you tell that to your corpse emperor"

[outer wave]

I love Loner's big ass

[celest willow]

god i love that line

[young pecan]

YYYYES 💅

[copper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

I do like how much depth the Loner seems to have to their character

very much not actually crazy

[celest willow]

all the psykers are pretty will written tbh

[copper patrol]

probably the most sane one by our standards, if you actually look at it

[outer wave]

I haven't heard much of Loner's lines so maybe I should play them at some point

[young pecan]

I can't tell if Loner puts an act on or if they would be very easy to corrupt

Enforcer psyker is the most sane one imo

[copper patrol]

male loner is 100% an act as far as I can tell

[celest willow]

a mixture of both

[outer wave]

I think they're just VERY aware of what's going on behind the scenes

[celest dome]

Shards if we consider things like the Star Shield could work

[celest willow]

the loner and the seer really dont have their marbles

savant is the only sane one

[outer wave]

I guess the shard could re look at past events the host originally had and come to its own conclusion about them, fair

[polar hill]

Either way, it makes more sense to me at face value; he's not saying it to get out of fighting, he's saying it because it's a true statement - he doesn't have to take part, but he does because the alternative is failure. In other words, it's the shard doing reverse psychology to keep the Seer moralized. There are multiple instances of this where the Seer relies on the shard for comfort

[young pecan]

Seee either has all of their marbles and is actually talking to a shard of the emperor
or they are easily being influenced by Tzeentchian shenanigans or something

[copper patrol]

seer probably is missing a lot of marbles and is talking to a shard of emps

being insane doesn't necessarily mean they are easier to corrupt either

[polar hill]

I'm firmly in the Emperor camp because when he receives his Tzeentchian vision, he evades it because Tzeentch tries to imitate the Emperor's voice

[outer wave]

Is that the dream of the Crystal Fortress over pink fire or another line?

[celest dome]

Could even be one that split way before it

[polar hill]

If it was Tzeentch pulling the strings the whole time, the Seer wouldn't know the difference

[polar hill]

Yes, the crystal

[outer wave]

Mmm I see

Gotcha gotcha

[copper patrol]

neither would we tbf

[outer wave]

I forgot if they ignored the cries of the Beloved in that line

[copper patrol]

or anyone else for that matter, until it's too late, probably

[celest dome]

Tbh, I hope it's not a Tzeentch deamon cause that could mean less chances of a Tzeentch faction (though seeing it being Tzeentch, could still happen)

[young pecan]

For sure

[polar hill]

My bad for not putting everything in the same spot, but refer to my previous message please - the one before what you replied to

[outer wave]

Anyway I guess it confirms that Emperor is a disaster bisexual

[copper patrol]

but I think it just being tzeentch is a bit more boring and typically 40k grimderk nonsense then an actually interesting story piece

[young pecan]

That's the best lore drop Darktide has given us

[outer wave]

Thank Christ for real lore drops

[polar hill]

Wat

[young pecan]

If they eventually dropped that "it wuz actually tzeentch le xd" I would be disappointed

[outer wave]

I could see it pulling that, but Emperor Shard is kinda neato

[copper patrol]

https://imgur.com/a/N2VzrXb

[young pecan]

It gets to a point when spamming things going wrong stops making it grimdark

And just annoying

[languid meadow]

there's only 2 twists for 40k writers
1 it's chaos
2 it's genestealers

3 if we're lucking

3rd being necrons

[outer wave]

4th is Votaan

5th is Eldar

6th is a new race

7th is Jorus himself

Yes, Jorus Heresy of the Jorus Heresy

[polar hill]

Swagger is a Votaan, I knew the whole time, sorry to breach my NDA

[outer wave]

He just squats down then tells everyone he's a votaan

[copper patrol]

Imagining a blood angel yelling JORUS and running off

[languid meadow]

Jorus is just horus wearing Jorts

[copper patrol]

Jhaos

[outer wave]

Hot

[languid meadow]

he could pull it off

[young pecan]

Jod Emperor of Mankind

[celest dome]

Jorus Jeresy

[young pecan]

I'm glad Abnett knows how to write grimdark with a good amount of hopium

At least judging by Eisenhorn

[languid meadow]

grimdark means nothing without hope

[outer wave]

What does Abnett write then?

[languid meadow]

Goon material

[outer wave]

Uuooghhh....

[languid meadow]

who knows Ian maybe this will be my next movie

[outer wave]

Jod Jemperor of Jankind

[polar hill]

GENESTEALER puossi

[languid meadow]

gussy.... NO !

[polar hill]

I don't know what Khorne was thinking with the blood desert

He should have just played Alfabusa videos to try to break Dorn

[arctic talon]

V O L U P T U O U S

[arctic talon]

I love Azebs

[opaque coyote]

I once saw a comment supporting AI art say something so dumb it has

still stuck with me to this day

"Artists are just mad that they don't have a monopoly on art anymore"

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?

IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS AND THAT STATEMENT IS RENT FREE IN MY FUCKING HEAD.

"Football players are just mad that they don't have a monopoly on football"

"Gamers are just mad that they don't have a monopoly on playing video games."

Like

????????????????????

[young pecan]

"skin-tight leather" "supple" "voluptuous" "skin-tight leather" "skin-tight leather"
-Dan Abnett

[outer wave]

Dumb fuckin line

[misty vector]

something something something in her skin-tight bodyglove something something

[polar hill]

It's dumber than that tbh
It's more like, "merchants having a monopoly on merchandise"

[opaque coyote]

Abnett when woman

[languid meadow]

you will read Ian Watson and you will LIKE it

[arctic talon]

voluptuously

Okay unironically abnett has gotten better

but also holy fuck lol

some of it is bad

it is dire

[opaque coyote]

disappointing that there's no supple voluptuous men smh

[outer wave]

Wolf

[arctic talon]

what

[languid meadow]

we all make mistakes in the heart of passion jimbo

[young pecan]

Is the Ravenor omnibus plagued or is it a part of the "better"

[outer wave]

Direwolf

[arctic talon]

its better

[outer wave]

That's it

[arctic talon]

well

getting better

there's still V O L U P T U O U S

but it gets better

Bequins stuff is like

normal

[opaque coyote]

Abnett discovering the power of writing with TWO HANDS

🤯

[polar hill]

Hey, I'll take the supple, voluptuous women if you don't want 'em

[polar hill]

Dan is literally me

[arctic talon]

its fine, its just

weird

lol

he really likes using the word V O L U P T U O U S

[polar hill]

Also, tbf. "Skin-tight bodyglove" isn't really a horny thing, that's just a sci-fi thing in general

[arctic talon]

in Ravenor

no its just the way he describes it

the skin-tight bodyglove is fine

lol

[polar hill]

Leather, on the other hand

[opaque coyote]

Y'know it's funny to think that Goge Vandire in the middle of all of his tyranny was like

"There's a random all female cult worshipping the Emperor."

"Good, make them my permanent body guards!"

perks of his rank ig

seriously though imagine being like

a pious woman

you're finally given the opportunity to work in the high ranks

your cult is now recognized by the wider imperium!

and then it turns out you're just there to look pretty

[arctic talon]

tbf

they did also kill stuff

[polar hill]

The only good meme to come out of Adeptus Ridiculous

Doge Vandire and his foot fetish

[arctic talon]

Goge was also just fucking weird

[young pecan]

Bequin having gotten close to as much juvenat surgery as Eisenhorn yet miraculously ages significantly better

[opaque coyote]

Yeah no wonder they're much more crazy now

[young pecan]

Has to be the comparative stress levels between them

[arctic talon]

Tbf

with the life eisenhorn lived

yeah

[opaque coyote]

I would 100% be as crazy as the average Sister if that was my organization's beginning.

[young pecan]

Eisenjort has the stress of constantly fending off the ruinous powers in his brain and dancing on the line between heresy and service
Bequin has the uhh

Well she has to listen to him confess to her about it

That's most of her stress

(I know she is also an operative but yk)

[opaque coyote]

It's also funny that Eisenhower literally has so much daily stress

that it just defies the chemicals being pumped into him

Like his body is just begging to just fucking unravel and die

[young pecan]

LMFAO

[opaque coyote]

...actually that sounds metal as fuck also

The body is unwilling, but the spirit forces it to continue.

[young pecan]

Are you talking about the ||syringe the Cognitae stuck him with||

I forgot the name of the virus it had in it

[opaque coyote]

Nah just the fact that he looks older than Bequin despite having as much rejuvenant

[young pecan]

Ohh that too

[opaque coyote]

The sheer amount of stress literally just

overpowers the chemicals enough

like imagine being so fucking stressed that even magical chemicals that let you live an extra 400 or so years

can't stop you from looking like you're absolutely fucking high strung

[arctic talon]

Bequin is also canonically dead

by M41 lol

well

by Late M41

She dies sometime early M41

[young pecan]

||Cherubael looking on in as much horror as a lobotomized daemon can muster while Eisendork gets his tenth juvenat procedure in the same day||

[arctic talon]

ironically Eisenhorn does not have a canon death date

yet

[arctic talon]

THE JUICE

[young pecan]

I don't know the timeline of the books thankfully so I don't know if that's an important spoiler or not

[arctic talon]

its not important

we just know she isn't alive in "modern" 40k

its just that she has a confirmed death date

[young pecan]

Ooc is Darktide "modern" 40k?

[arctic talon]

Yes

well

darktide is like

[young pecan]

What other 40k media is

[arctic talon]

5-15 years behind "modern" 40k

[outer wave]

As modern as 9th edition is I think

[arctic talon]

The crusade books, rule books

Darktide is early indomitus crusade yeah

[young pecan]

Oh true they mention Ghillie Guy's return a few times

[arctic talon]

We're still in early indomitus

we're just a bit farther down the line of it

lol

But Bequin was dead during the "modern" era pre 8e

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[arctic talon]

which was M41.800->999

lol

Anyways everyone in the Eisenhorn novel wouldn't be concurrently alive with any of the Rejects(in theory)

maybe some characters if somthing really weird happens

[opaque coyote]

Although the reason why Juve treatments primarily stop working is that the like

[sly ivy]

Something really weird happening in an Abnett novel????

[opaque coyote]

veins just stop working

right?

[sly ivy]

Impossibru

[opaque coyote]

like it can't pump blood anymore

[young pecan]

My guess is Eisenhorn could maybe get some plot armor with the ||words of power stuff that was like barely touched on as a coherent system||

[arctic talon]

your body just falls apart

[sly ivy]

Ewwwwww

[arctic talon]

there's only so much it can do

its not pleasant lol

some types of rejuve have extremely bad side effects

once they stop working

[copper patrol]

thats when you gotta start bionics and shit

[sly ivy]

Shit I know what that feels like already I’m 41

[arctic talon]

if you've fucked yourself up that hard with Rejuve

bionics aren't going to be a huge help

[young pecan]

300 years of cancer to catch up on, have fun

[arctic talon]

you gotta add the bionics in before you start literally turning into dust

lol

[copper patrol]

just use a halo device, surely it wouldn't have any sorta of side effects

[opaque coyote]

so I wonder like theoretically, how you're willing to go the mechanicus route, and have some friends in really high mechanicus places.

Could you just switch to replacing your body

[opaque coyote]

Oh.

[arctic talon]

TRUE!

There are no known consequences to using a Halo device

totally

trust

[polar hill]

Rejuvenation treatments only go as far toward preserving the body as steam goes to preserving stale bread. If you keep doing it it just grows mold

[copper patrol]

if you got enough monsy and connections prolly

[opaque coyote]

So what is the point of no return I wonder

[sly ivy]

Enough…. monkey??

[arctic talon]

your body might not be able to take it

tbh

[opaque coyote]

Like the sign that you can't just switch to bionics

[sly ivy]

I have enough monkey

[young pecan]

Who is the longest-living Mechanicus member (or anyone in the Imperium other than the Emperor I suppose)?

[arctic talon]

Cawl

he's cheating

[young pecan]

I know Cawl is up there since he literally

Yeah

[arctic talon]

but its Cawl

[young pecan]

He talked to the Emperor

[opaque coyote]

I mean if you're gonna die, might as well try it.

Worst case scenario you uh

die

[arctic talon]

he's not even Cawl anymore lol

well that wasn't Cawl

that was someone else

[young pecan]

Oh right

[arctic talon]

Cawl is like at least 3 people in a trench coat

[young pecan]

Been meaning to actually read that book where I left off

(Probably gotta start over atp)

[copper patrol]

the arch-magos high-lord is also old as fuck

[arctic talon]

usually tech priests start losing it around the 1000 mark age wise

[opaque coyote]

Cawl is a fusion dance of at least

His old master, himself, and Cawl #2 electric boogaloo

[polar hill]

Theoretically, the presence of extreme nerve damage and/or the inhibition of the brain's ability to communicate with nerves

[arctic talon]

Yeah Oud Oudia is old as fuck as well

also reminder, his name is prounounced weed

Qud weed

[copper patrol]

on that red planet pack

smoking incense and unguents

[arctic talon]

Oud Oudia is old as fuck but he isn't even the oldest fabricator general

the fabricator general of metalica was older

[sly ivy]

||isn’t he dead||

[arctic talon]

emphesis on the was

[arctic talon]

he ||somehow fucking lived||

[sly ivy]

Wat

[opaque coyote]

So I assume if your hands start shaking

[young pecan]

Any other confirmed oldhead characters rivaling that of Cawl?

[arctic talon]

no

[opaque coyote]

Then start considering cutting off your limbs

[arctic talon]

Cawl is actually older then fucking dirt

he's also starting to go insane

so he's "dumping" memories

[copper patrol]

other then some cheaters (primarchs and such) and some dreadnaughts no

there is several dreads older then cawl afaik

[opaque coyote]

I think it's implied this cycle has been done before

[arctic talon]

It is implied

[opaque coyote]

Like he's noticed himself starting to go insane so he dumps some memories

Although I genuinely wonder how he hasn't fallen to Chaos

[polar hill]

Well no lol. Stuff like that can be handled with physical therapy; I mean like severe nerve damage. Zero control, zero sensation, stuff like that

[opaque coyote]

Then again, he might just be so stubborn that he just doesn't want to

[copper patrol]

only like Vashtoor would have any real chance

[arctic talon]

He's a true believer lol

like unironically

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but like as a sign. Because stuff like that is the start of nerve damage, so it's a sign to switch to bionics before you can't.

[arctic talon]

Cawl is extremely religous lol

[opaque coyote]

So literally pure faith, insanity, and probably thousands of morally dubious experiments and technology

[copper patrol]

which is ironic considering the amount of stuff that'd be label as tech-heresy he's done

[arctic talon]

Tbf

What arch magos hasn't done some tech-heresy

[young pecan]

Cawl starts getting so old that he starts measuring his age by "dumps"

[arctic talon]

tech heresy is so broad

[copper patrol]

boring ones

[arctic talon]

besides, as long as it goes through parliment

its not tech heresy anymore

[young pecan]

Stinky Vitel or whatever his name was from Mechanicus game

[arctic talon]

praise be to the Synod of a forgeworld

[polar hill]

"Throne, I haven't taken a dump in a while..." (He's just like me)

[arctic talon]

Videx literally commits tech heresy

[young pecan]

Unless he did in his own religiously delusional way and I forgot

[arctic talon]

in the game technically

[polar hill]

Why you calling me stinky

[young pecan]

Sorry brochacho

Gotta call it as I see

[arctic talon]

He comits tech heresy by messing with specific servitor design patterns(technically)

but no one is going to give a shit

because the mechanicus are a bunch of hypocrites lol

[young pecan]

Everyone in the council is there to commit their own tech heresies

[arctic talon]

he also violates some dogmatic stuff regarding Mars, and Stygies's dogmas but it doesn't fucking matter

[young pecan]

Scola(?) included

She was a delight for as far as I played

[arctic talon]

because the only version of the creed that Videx cares about is the Metalican one lol

[young pecan]

Of course I can indulge your curiosity pal

[arctic talon]

Scaevola is like

[opaque coyote]

Technically Tech Heresy could be as small as like

Cleaning your Bolter with regular oil instead of olive oil

[arctic talon]

the borderline/actual heretek

[opaque coyote]

I think canonically, penal soldiers do tinker with their weapons

[arctic talon]

she's a xenerite

people do in general

[sly ivy]

here bro u need this 🧼

[arctic talon]

most tech priests just overlook minor tech heresy

like that

unless you give them a reason to want to kill you

[young pecan]

Xeno is big no no

[opaque coyote]

and so some of the much more dogmatic tech priests just kill them on the spot once they see a flashlight taped on

[arctic talon]

The mechanicus religon is genuinely batshit insane and if it was followed to the letter

[opaque coyote]

Yeah most of the tech priests probably don't care lmao

[arctic talon]

nothing would ever happen

lol

every forgeworld has their own interpretation

subsects within the forgeworld

[opaque coyote]

It's like how the slavery passages of the bible aren't followed anymore

[sly ivy]

True that’s why we need the v sane cult of the dragon

[arctic talon]

Fanes within the forgeworld

ect.

[opaque coyote]

But there's always gonna be a couple that are like

[arctic talon]

there's so many different variations on beliefs

[opaque coyote]

"YOU REPLACED THE TRIGGER OF THE HOLY BOLTER???"

"Yeah, it was broke-"

[arctic talon]

99% of the time the Parliment of Mars is debating Mars's interpetation of the religon exclusively

lol

[opaque coyote]

"HERESY!"

[arctic talon]

that isn't even a joke

[opaque coyote]

impromptu servitorization

[arctic talon]

The Pariliment of Mars spends most of its time arguing with each other

[opaque coyote]

Honestly considering how fucking confusing the Mechanicus religion must be.

Yeah

[arctic talon]

on what version of the probably millions of variations of the Cult Mechanicus is valid, from mars exclusively

[opaque coyote]

I'm also surprised the Imperium doesn't do that also.

[arctic talon]

Well it does

its just not a democracy

Republic(?)

[young pecan]

I could be misremembering but didn't Cawl explicitly say he would hate being in the leadership positions of Mars because it's just this all the time

[arctic talon]

yes

[opaque coyote]

Probably more of a republic

but yeah

[arctic talon]

also Oud is a moderate/liberal fabricator general

[sly ivy]

Cope

[arctic talon]

which is funny

Mars is the "heart" of the mechanicus religon

[opaque coyote]

Cawl is a man(?) of action.

[arctic talon]

but that also means it is like

the most varied

[opaque coyote]

He actually wants to do shit.

[arctic talon]

too many goddamn interpretations

[languid meadow]

I left and came back to this is and was like "oooh we're talking about doctor who now"

[arctic talon]

LOL

[opaque coyote]

And despite all of the horrific shit he has done.

He at least

[arctic talon]

in any case every forgeworld has a basic setup

[opaque coyote]

actually tries to improve stuff.

[arctic talon]

of a Parliment, 3 members below the fabricator who are a "council" and then the fabricator general

[opaque coyote]

And more importantly, it actually works.

[arctic talon]

which then feeds up into another forgeworld(if its a slaved forgeworld)

or straight to Mars

[opaque coyote]

For the Imperium, that's a fucking Gold covered medal

[arctic talon]

or they just ignore Mars

because the mechanicus are a bunch of petty bastards who hate each other

and only pretend to be unified so the Imperium doesn't get any ideas

[opaque coyote]

Tbf they supply most of their ships and weapons anyways.

[arctic talon]

yeah but they're still paranoid

lol

All the major forgeworlds hate each other and want to be the biggest

All the minor forgeworlds hate the major forgeworlds

all the slaved forgeworlds hate their master forgeworlds

the list continues

[young pecan]

Maybe this is a reach but I think the parliament of Mars constantly arguing with each other over what is the right way to handle machinery mirrors how a lot of problems with computers can have a myriad of reasons why they're happening

Troubleshooting silliness

[storm jungle]

Nah its intentional.

A lot of the political instability of the Imperium is satirical in nature

the problem is reality is becoming more and more stranger than fiction

[arctic talon]

nah the parliment of mars

literally is based on like

actual political parliments

but more violent

[young pecan]

Real and realer every day..

[arctic talon]

and religous

[storm jungle]

A parliament getting nothing done?

damn

[arctic talon]

and also filled with nerds

[storm jungle]

im glad it isnt like that IRL

[storm jungle]

I hate it.

[opaque coyote]

At least give us the cool shit smh

[storm jungle]

you can apply about any big political crisis today and make it have a 40k coat of paint and nobody would notice lol

[arctic talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZymNT7BSKc

This is a real parliment

[storm jungle]

YES

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

Give us a Bolter at least

[storm jungle]

FISTFIGHT POLITICIANS, LETS GO

[arctic talon]

fun fact metal and glass bottle

[opaque coyote]

Probably more exciting than actual politics

[arctic talon]

are banned from the taiwanse parliment

I'll give you one guess why

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

this happened

[languid meadow]

the US should allow congressmen to hit each other with canes again

[arctic talon]

real

[young pecan]

The god emperor spent $50 million on a voidship parade instead of fixing the webway

God fucking damn it

[storm jungle]

I love how they sometimes start fights over like one of the taiwanese parliment members insulting another ones mom or wife lol

[spring cairn]

flintlock duels to elect representatives

[storm jungle]

Lmfao god

[opaque coyote]

At least the Emperor would get actual attendance

[arctic talon]

Its so fucking funny

[opaque coyote]

You see the actual videos of the actual parade? Practically nobody was there

[arctic talon]

the all out brawls between the different parties are the real funny ones

[opaque coyote]

And for good reason

[polar hill]

The Imperial Cult/Adeptus Ministorum operates as the Imperial Roman cult did, in an assimilatory way. The Cult Mechanicus operates in a way inspired by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, meaning it has to agree on one thing as opposed to the pagan way of "anything goes"

[storm jungle]

Pagan?

[languid meadow]

it's so sad but it's hilarious as well since the Trooping the Colour happened the same day

[polar hill]

In the context of pagan Imperial Rome

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

Squeaky tanks

[opaque coyote]

It's kinda a combo of both.

You still have to agree that the Emperor is the one true God.

But at the same time, what they are the god of is... up to you

For all we know, there's a planet that believes that the Emperor is a gigantic penis

And that he is the one that allows procreation because he gave his seed to his warriors

[celest dome]

A lot of Beastmen do think the Emperor is a Goat too iirc

[opaque coyote]

Goat Emperor actually does fit ngl

[polar hill]

The Great Horned Goat...

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-attack-rat-attack-have-at-thee-gif-11648161592664583090

[opaque coyote]

Like if I had to make the emperor a fursona (only god knows how I would get into that situation)

It'd probably be a Goat

[polar hill]

Stop that.

[opaque coyote]

Due to all the religious symbolism attached to goats

And clearly the Emperor ISN'T RELIGIOUS

[languid meadow]

the emperors fursona would either be a dog or horse

[opaque coyote]

AND CLEARLY ISN'T WORSHIPPED AS A GOD-

[languid meadow]

since he was alexander the great and that guy loved both

[polar hill]

This is my cue to leave

[opaque coyote]

I do find it strangely adorable that he named his cities after his horse

Like in a weird

way

[languid meadow]

I mean it was there for like everything

[polar hill]

Also one of my cats has a sixth sense for when I'm about to make pasta and she isn't leaving me alone

[young pecan]

And another one like the Greeks who believe that, because he is so smart, he has a small penis

[celest dome]

The country I'm in was at some point the largest user of Asbestos, so while working we sometime have to stop and think on wether or not we're going to drill into some asbestos or not

[opaque coyote]

Your Feline Master demands nourishment from it's servant human. All hail our feline overlords.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-cat-cats-cat-hug-cat-love-gif-9176149428765300540

https://tenor.com/view/girl-dinner-silly-sparkle-cardboard-box-gif-15913479770029813854

[young pecan]

I wouldn't leave you alone if you were making pasta either if that helps

[opaque coyote]

@polar hill cat subtly influencing him to make Pasta:

https://tenor.com/view/jedi-starwars-mind-trick-obiwan-gif-5199308

[arctic talon]

okay what is the actual definition of pagan

or is this just

broad

lol

[opaque coyote]

follower of a polytheistic or pantheistic nature-worshipping religion

usually before christianity

[polar hill]

Not Christ = pagan

[young pecan]

I thought pagan was anything that deviated from what is expressly written as in the texts

[opaque coyote]

Technically Buddhism is Pagan

[young pecan]

Halloween is pagan and deviated from All Hallow's Eve I believe

[languid meadow]

actually the new definition is now "a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main or recognized religions."

[opaque coyote]

Would things like

Mormons be considered Pagans?

[languid meadow]

no

Mormonism is still christian

[young pecan]

That's a surprisingly broad definition

[spring cairn]

does my shrine to the forest goblins make me a pagan ?

[languid meadow]

yeah well the old one wasn't better either

[arctic talon]

mormons would just be heretics under catholic or Christian dogma no?

[polar hill]

Yes

[young pecan]

You could technically call mormonism pagan in a way

[polar hill]

Mormons are essentially the only people who don't consider Mormonism pagan

[young pecan]

Are you free to be my bed shaker tonight

[languid meadow]

yeah they would be heretics not pagans

[young pecan]

My usual guy canceled

[languid meadow]

they're still Christians they just do it way differently

[polar hill]

I don't know what that means and I don't want to know

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/siegfried-gbvs-gbvsr-die-verdrängen-gif-17943989853454082534

[young pecan]

I think that's for the best

[opaque coyote]

Wouldn't that technically be considered Heresy instead of Paganism by definition?

They technically still are the Abrahamic faith.

[opaque coyote]

Mormons have some weird loopholes for sex

[languid meadow]

Mormons are weird

[opaque coyote]

That's all I'll say.

It isn't even like freaky, it's just weird.

[polar hill]

Nope
I suggest looking into it yourself. Mormonism is straight up fanfiction

[opaque coyote]

That is also true.

[polar hill]

Mormonism is to Christianity what veganism is to carnivorism

[spring cairn]

There's like hundreds of bible fanfics

[languid meadow]

the only good thing about them imo is that everyone goes to a heaven (even non believers) unless you're actually just evil, it's such a weird funny "religion"

[arctic talon]

you want to know a religon thats actually dangerous and has probably killed people, well not the religon itself but the church

(scientology)

lol

[polar hill]

This is not a uniquely Mormon thing. In Catholicism, we have the teaching of a notion called Invincible Ignorance; if you're brought up in such a way that you go your whole life without learning of or knowing God, you can still get into Heaven if you lived your life correctly

[spring cairn]

the best fanfic is gnosticism

[arctic talon]

holy based

[languid meadow]

salvation for everyone is so based

[spring cairn]

because it's straight up real bro

i'm scared af

[polar hill]

Not everyone

[arctic talon]

bro thinks the demiurge is right behind him

[polar hill]

You can be subject to Invincible Ignorance and still go to hell if you're like, an unrepentant rapist or something

[spring cairn]

he is in a way

he's behind you too

[languid meadow]

Cathars are so weird

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

Technically the learning of or knowing God is a bit weird because

There are tons of Religions. I know that it's most likely referring to the Christian God and Religion, but would something like say Buddhism be "knowing God" or is it a False Prophet type of situation.

[young pecan]

Big agree

Gnosticism is interesting because it at least explains some things

[opaque coyote]

But if you're fooled by a "false" prophet or religion. Wouldn't that technically be not knowing God?

What if you're unsure?

[young pecan]

I don't know if I would choose to believe it but it's a cool idea

[spring cairn]

I mean evil always triumph over good

which can only mean gnosticism is real

[arctic talon]

is it theology time

lol

[polar hill]

Invincible Ignorance is specifically a Catholic teaching in direct reference to Christ

If you're a Buddhist who never learns of Him or His teachings, you're subject to Invincible Ignorance

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/sound-brbrbr-helmet-gif-19631108

[opaque coyote]

I hate and love Theology

[spring cairn]

and by real i mean they had the right idea

[arctic talon]

this is getting a sequal

lol

[languid meadow]

yeah

[arctic talon]

better be called the search for even more money

[languid meadow]

it's cool and an important part of history but man it's exhausting

[polar hill]

I'mma head out for real now, my pasta water almost boiled too low and I was lured back by the cat pings

[storm jungle]

Is this basically just saying Christianity is the correct main religion and believing in anything else is stinky

[polar hill]

Yes.

[languid meadow]

we should time travel to blow up Dante

[storm jungle]

As ever, religious people cannot help themselves

[opaque coyote]

This is gonna be considered 100% heresy. Sorry @polar hill

But I think the wildest idea is the story where Judas was somehow the true prophet.

Probably not true even in a non-religious category due to a lot of evidence otherwise.

But it is a neat story

and also a cool idea

[languid meadow]

MORE CHILDREN FOR BAAL

[storm jungle]

the best part of religion is the way people interpret it and make their own mini-fanfics of it based on the core fanfic concept

its like a toxic fandom, i love it

[opaque coyote]

It's wild to think that technically the first fanfics were religious

Like a lot of mythologies are basically fanfics

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much.

Its a coping mechanism at the end of the day which is completely fine

[opaque coyote]

The explanation for Medusa being innocent and her backstory beyond being a funny snake lady?

Fanfics

[storm jungle]

people need faith to some degree

[opaque coyote]

...I am scared to think about things like idk

Harry Potter becoming religion

The fanfics becoming part of a large bible

[storm jungle]

Literally anything can be a religion.

we people depend on it

[languid meadow]

"return to tradition" mfs when they don't worship El or any other of the Canaanite gods

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

[opaque coyote]

"Hermy-ione in one tale lay with Harry, but the main texts say she laid with Ron. Who shall be the right one?"

[storm jungle]

If it wasnt Jesus then people would find a way to worship a rock

or some other shit

idfk lol

[opaque coyote]

Tbf I think even the bible acknowledged this

People started worshipping a Golden bull as soon as Moses left for like a week

[storm jungle]

Theres a reason the bible has been rewritten a ton over the years

[opaque coyote]

And Moses was like "WHAT THE FUCK???"

I always find that the funniest part

Because again. I think he was gone for like a week MAX

[spring cairn]

the only way to save this world is to convert everyone to zoroastrianism

[opaque coyote]

They literally couldn't even wait 7 days

[spring cairn]

by force if necessary

[crystal forum]

today's body smell is a solid 9

[storm jungle]

Worshipping and watching every Zoro movie?

based

[opaque coyote]

Zoro one piece??

[spring cairn]

sentenced to death

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-clapping-his-feet-gif-26685466

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

Zoro is like my 3rd favorite

Due to how outside battles he's almost as stupid as Luffy

[arctic talon]

I do wonder what the first thing worshiped was

probably the sun

[storm jungle]

Im more of a Dudeist myself.

[languid meadow]

it's always the sun

that or storms

[arctic talon]

the fire religon?

[storm jungle]

🫡

[languid meadow]

since both bring life

[opaque coyote]

Sun or Nature

Honestly, personal theory?

Death.

Just death itself

Was worshipped the first.

[celest dome]

Only mysticism I follow is auguries

[spring cairn]

It's the first ever recorded monotheist religion, I don't remember much of the details but it does involve fire as a symbol and an implement of worship

[storm jungle]

Christianity obviously

[languid meadow]

I mean maybe? I'd think the sun is always first since it bring light and safety

[storm jungle]

or Catholism

whatever the fucking difference is

lol

[arctic talon]

mf'er that wasn't even the first abrahamic religon

[storm jungle]

But the priest told me so

holy men cannot lie

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

I also gave him my wallet

since he asked for it

[arctic talon]

neat

[languid meadow]

Imagine somehow telling an ancient guy that your storm god becomes the supreme god and is worshipped all over the world

[spring cairn]

the only truth is that god is evil and that they canno't run from me forever

[languid meadow]

Gorr

[astral burrow]

Can't wait for this exam to be over so I can finish the imperial agent story, subscribe, and finish everything I can do while dubbed in swtor so I never have to sub again

[storm jungle]

remember what Lord Dark Helmet said

[opaque coyote]

Y'know Persephone?

There is evidence that before her current iteration. She was a Death Goddess so feared that nobody dared to say her actual name. She literally was basically Voldemort in the way they only referred to her in euphemisms. So we don't know her own name as the result.

Imagine being so feared that they dared not invoke your name, lest you suffer their wrath. @storm jungle

[storm jungle]

🫡

[storm jungle]

Ikr its great

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-will-always-triumph-over-gif-16744235858517193435

[spring cairn]

The thing is

[opaque coyote]

Unfortunately this also has it so that we don't know her actual old name

[spring cairn]

i'm also evil, so it's evenly matched

[opaque coyote]

which is

frustrating

If only somebody had the balls to say it before they died horribly

[astral burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/dedra-meero-andor-season-2-star-wars-director-krennic-gif-8933656312404029214

kalkite will always triumph over ghor

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside, it's wild to think that Hades is relatively chill in comparison

[storm jungle]

You are an Empire of Man fan how can you be evil

[storm jungle]

Tbh hes always been a guy just doing his job

[opaque coyote]

Like his wife is just this feared Goddess and Hades is like

"I named my 3 headed helldog 'Spot'."

[storm jungle]

people just forever associated underworld = evil

its a very christian concept

[astral burrow]

Cerberus does sound great tho

Sick name

[opaque coyote]

although tbf Hades is still terrifying. But only when you deserve it

[opaque coyote]

If you didn't do shit, he's chill

[spring cairn]

Skaven genocide

no wait

[storm jungle]

world's weakest Dudeist

[spring cairn]

that's morally good

[storm jungle]

Skaven arent people

exactly

[opaque coyote]

If you step out of line, you're gonna wish you died twice

[spring cairn]

beastmen genocide

no wait

[storm jungle]

alas

they have "men" in the name

😔

[storm jungle]

to quote Mario

you will go to hell BEFORE you die

[spring cairn]

ork genocide

FUCK

[astral burrow]

The beastwomen, and the beastchildren too

[storm jungle]

[astral burrow]

When the fuck did Mario say that

And why

[storm jungle]

Because its correct

[languid meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/248972334327791616/1383745921057030264/2_5359435546873592074.mp4?ex=684fe950&is=684e97d0&hm=a13d896bf90fd5d2838ae446a9ef67be74cb950b6471a1b14f9b7535a5aa106d&

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/D8M8I2SYEiA

[astral burrow]

I wanna make this with Mon mothmas speech

[spring cairn]

why are all the fantasy destruction races fundamentally evil down to their genetics

[opaque coyote]

ngl a child probably cried from that

[storm jungle]

It makes the good guys look cooler when killing hordes of them

[opaque coyote]

I mean I actually felt slightly threatened

[spring cairn]

killing them is just good

[languid meadow]

I love how the FBI and CIA had such a strangle hold on children's entertainment in the 80s to 90s

[spring cairn]

no nuances

[arctic talon]

not all of them smh

just like uh

a few

a lot

[storm jungle]

Iran Contra Affair anyone

[spring cairn]

which one isn't

[opaque coyote]

The Borisin from Honkai Star Rail

[arctic talon]

idk

[opaque coyote]

uhhh

[spring cairn]

I can't think of a single one

[arctic talon]

what setting lol

[opaque coyote]

that's it

[languid meadow]

the american dad song for this is peak

[astral burrow]

Is this actually a Nintendo thing or just some guy with an M hat lmao

[opaque coyote]

That's literally it

[arctic talon]

DnD most of the evil aligned races aren't inherently evil

[storm jungle]

I love it

[young pecan]

That's one thing I don't like

[arctic talon]

its just their society is evil

[spring cairn]

even the elves are like this, alas

[arctic talon]

which is another thing entierly

[young pecan]

So boring

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

Uh probably idk

[spring cairn]

we can't save them, we should kill them all

[opaque coyote]

You could argue it's from their genetics but that's a whole other pitfall

[young pecan]

Hey guys I'm making an evil oc fantasy race

[sly ivy]

Based

[languid meadow]

https://youtu.be/Mb1GfP5Rwys?si=8IsI9dRG7zEP4kvp in the 80s there was cold dramaaaa

[young pecan]

They're gonna do uh

Slavery

[arctic talon]

that is not from their genetics explictly

[young pecan]

And

[arctic talon]

its literally just their society

[young pecan]

murder

[arctic talon]

and or god

lol

[spring cairn]

in wfb it's literally in their genetics

[arctic talon]

yeah well

[opaque coyote]

Man luckily we haven't done that at all.

[arctic talon]

thats because beastmen are written like shit

outside of 40k

[sly ivy]

Lmao ultra based

[arctic talon]

Beastmen in AoS and WHFB are both shit lol

Them just being inherently chaotic and evil

is boring

[opaque coyote]

Again, generally like the "their society sucks"

[arctic talon]

no

[languid meadow]

see dark elves in fantasy could be just a a generic evil race, but the twist is that mali boy was RIGHT

[spring cairn]

like you can't raise a skaven/beastmen/ork away from their race and have it turn good

[arctic talon]

the are literally

[spring cairn]

it's just not possible

[arctic talon]

genetically evil

lol

Orcs in AoS can be good

tbf

Oruuks

[opaque coyote]

IK, just talking about like "evil races" in general

[arctic talon]

sorry

lol

[young pecan]

They couldve at least made it to where they're an older race turned perverse by en masee corruption

Like the saruthi

[opaque coyote]

Like I generally like it when it's

"Their society sucks, but the people can be innocent"

Because that's generally how it goes for us.

[arctic talon]

relevant

[sly ivy]

Incredible nature vs nurture blank slate vs heredity discussion happening in this channel

[arctic talon]

WHFB Orcs are unironically really fucking boring aside from the characters